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Creating new page for a company

Creating a new page for a company. Dear all, I need help creating a page for a 41-year-old company I'm working with. What could be the reason that the page was deleted. I want to mention that I did not want to publish yet, cause it's not ready, could not find a save botton, had to publish it, knowing it will not be online. Please advise me what to do as a beginner.

thank you Armen Sepetjian (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Armen Sepetjian, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have some misunderstandings about Wikipedia. First, everything, everywhere in Wikipedia is published, in the sense that it is visible (and in most cases, editable) by anybody in the world - articles, drafts, personal pages, everything. That is why the Wikimedia Foundation insisted that the "save" button be renamed "Publish". That is a different sense from when we "publish" something as an article in the main encyclopaedia.

Secondly, what we create here is not "pages for" a company or anything else; it is articles about notable subjects. Not every company (just like not every sports person, politician, musician, artist...) is notable in Wikipedia's eyes: we require that an article be based close to 100% on what people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to publish about it, and therefore such independent published sources must exist. Your company may be notable, but most companies in the world are not. Thirdly, if you are working with the company, you almost certainly have a conflict of interest; and if you are in any way compensated by the company (whether as an employee or volunteer, or as a contractor) you are required to make a formal declaration of your status as a paid editor.

If you can clear those hurdles, then you may try to create a draft article about your company, using the articles for creation process. This is a very difficult task for new editors, and even more difficult for editors with a conflict of interest, because material that looks straightforward to you may look promotional to other editors. But if you want to try, Your first article is the place to look.

In short: if you are coming here to tell the world about your company, you are probably in the wrong place (I mean Wikipedia, not the Teahouse). That's not what Wikipedia is for. Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 18:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Armen Sepetjian (talk) 09:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC) Thank you for your prompt reply. Honestly, I was hired months ago to accomplish certain tasks, one of the most important one in this, being present on Wikipedia. It was my fault I tested an unfinished page. The company I'm working with is not similar to any other food product distributor. It's something related to Middle Eastern Culture, Lebanese culture. I have many reasons to believe that Al Wadi company must be present on Wikipedia. All I need is your advice, as you mentioned above, I will go to the "Articles for Creation page" and proceed from that step. Hopefully when I'm in need of help I will hear from you. thank you Armen Sepetjian (talk) 09:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Citing embedded sources

What's the protocol for citing references within a reference? I'm looking at sources in modern English, with mounds of footnotes referring to earlier sources in ancient Greek. Do I need to catalogue these original sources (even though I haven't, and can't read them), or can I just cite the book/article I got the information from in the first place? Thanks 21:51, 20 April 2020 (UTC)Maryanne Cunningham (talk)

Hello Maryanne Cunningham - that's a very good question. I would say that, providing the source you are wanting to cite can definitely be regarded as a Reliable Source in its own right, then you do not need to cite the sources used by that source. Following that idea to its logical conclusion would mean that we would need to know and cite every individual source used within every 'reliable source'. That's why use of the term 'reliable' is so important. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:22, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Nick Moyes Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 19:19, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Creating an Article for an Organization

Can you ask an experienced editor to create an article for your organization in order to avoid COI?Nataliee97 (talk) 00:24, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Nataliee97, I'm not sure what article about an organization you want to create. You can create an article regardless if you have a COI or not through the Articles for Creation process. You just create a draft article and then submit it for review. If it's a good article that doesn't contain anything in What Wikipedia is not, then it'll be accepted. You can start at the article wizard. Alternatively, you can request an article to be crated. {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 01:23, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your response, Can I Log In. If I'm affiliated with the organization I'm writing an article for, do I have to disclose COI on the draft's Talk page? I'm currently drafting the article in my User page Sandbox, so I need to disclose COI on that page's Talk page? Sorry for all the questions, I'm very new at this. Nataliee97 (talk) 01:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Nataliee97 So you made a userspace draft. The talk page of your draft shows that you are an intern. So you work for them for money, which is a financial COI, so yes, you should declare a COI on the draft's talk page which you already have.

Also, irrelevant to your question, but when you make replies, use the colon ":" to indent to messages you are replying to. See WP:THREAD. {{replyto}} Can I Log In's (talk) page 02:53, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Nataliee97: If you work on an article you're working for, you must declare it on the talk page of the draft (please use {{connected contributor (paid)}}). I myself do not know at what point it becomes inappropriate to continue editing an article about your organisation, but articles generally have their paid contributors submit edit requests through the article's talk page. As for declaring it on your own user page, you may use the {{Paid}} template. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Understood, thank you! Do you think I can request an article and attempt to create one on my own (and submit it for review) at the same time? Nataliee97 (talk) 04:43, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

{Edit Conflict with Can I Log In, but I'll re-ad this anyway] Hello, Nataliee97; welcome to the Teahouse. The answer to your question is Yes, you may certainly ask: the usual place to do so is at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Please read the instructions there carefully, click through the categories and sub-categories (for example; Business and economics, Companies, Initial letter of company name) and add the Organization's name, brief description and, crucially, links to or bibliographical details of some independent Reliable sources that describe the Company and establish what we call its Notability.

It is only fair to warn you, however, that the proportion of requests that get taken up by an experienced editor is fairly small. This is because nearly all editors are unpaid volunteers who work on what interests them when they have time. Wikipedia itself employs no paid editors. Also, as you may already realise, creating an acceptable new article is hard. I've been editing here for more than 15 years, and used to be a professional textbook editor, but I've never myself tried to write a new Wikipedia article.

Some people try to operate as independent paid editors who offer to create articles on behalf of clients (such as yourself, potentially) for money, but it is not a good idea to get involved with this. Many of them are actually not good at writing articles acceptable to Wikipedia, they are supposed to declare their own PAID and COI status, their contributions tend to be judged more harshly than those of volunteer editors by the volunteers who review articles for acceptability and, despite what an editor-for-hire may claim, they cannot guarantee that their work will be allowed to stand. They certainly cannot ensure that what they write is not then edited by others into a state that their client might not like: nobody owns an article, and an article's subject has less rights to influence its content than anybody else. Remember, it won't be "your Organisation's Wikipedia page", it will be Wikipedia's article about your Organization, "warts and all" if those warts are described by reputable sources.. See the essay Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, and also Streisand Effect. Remember also that Wikipedia absolutely forbids "promotion" of a subject.

If you/your Organization still want Wikipedia to have an article about it, you can increase your chances of getting an experienced editor involved by studying the Reliable sources and Notability pages I linked above, and including several (at least 3) such sources in your request on which that editor can begin to base an article. However, please do not add lots of sources which only give the Organization a passing mention or list entry, or any that are not completely independent of it (such as the Org's websites, press releases, interviews with officials even if in reputable journals, etc.): such non-independent sources can be used to corroborate minor facts about a subject (such as how many employees it currently has), but cannot contribute to confirming its Notability.

Good luck! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.178.214 (talk) 02:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much, 2.122.178.214. Your response was very helpful. Do you think I can request an article and attempt to create one on my own at the same time? Also, If I'm affiliated with the organization I'm writing an article for (i.e. I'm an intern at the organization), do I have to disclose COI on the draft's Talk page? I'm currently drafting the article in my User page Sandbox, so should I disclose COI on that page's Talk page? Sorry for all the questions, I'm very new at this. Nataliee97 (talk) 04:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't advise that, Nataliee97: having two separate attempts at the same article often causes headaches. Better would be to try creating it yourself and at an early stage try and find a suitable WikiProject, and ask there. (If you find one, a third alternative would be to abandon your attempt, and ask there for a collaborator as your first step). If you are an intern at the organisation, you are regarded as a Paid editor, so you must make the declarations called for in that policy. --ColinFine (talk) 09:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Noted, thank you! Nataliee97 (talk) 23:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

HELP

Hi, I just noted that the user {u|Dean197} has deleted plenty of text from this article "Mi Notebook Air" url:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi_Notebook_Air. I had spent a lot of my time editing it and it now fees like a waste of time.... Was this article previously reviewed by a senior editor before acceptance. If so, is it ok for someone to remove most of the text from the article? Should I edit other articles or not? Can someone please review/? Thank you for your advice. Earthianyogi (talk) 01:14, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Earthianyogi, welcome to the Teahouse. From what I can tell Dean197 removed content that was considered unnecessary and/or lacked citations. I see you've left a message to Dean197 on the talk page; I have pinged them on your behalf. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:36, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu, Thank you for your response. I did read his/her comments "content that was considered unnecessary and/or lacked citations.". Thanks for pointing it out. However, I think slightly different as follows:

1. I check this user's profile and s/he seems like an inexperienced editor on Wikipedia. Also, they have not yet replied.

2. This editor seems to have made no effort to correct it themselves. If they cannot, they should at least try to find the missing references. If they cannot, they should leave a tag on the article and leave it for others to improve it. If they cannot, they should contact the author of the article. I feel so because the article must have been passed by a senior editor and maybe worth it.

3. How can we assess this user's credibility in deleting the text? I mean, a text that is relevant to one person may be irrelevant to another, depending on their perspective.

4. If an editor feels that some content needs to be deleted, then they should first check with the author of the article or other editors before doing so.

5. I edited a few Wikipedia articles. I noticed that references are missing in many places in various articles. That does not mean that the text is any less relevant. I just feel that sometimes authors do not have the time or the energy to add these references, or some do not even have that kind of training to do so. Therefore, we should put a collaborative effort to make and improve Wikipedia, rather than just deleting another person's effort.

6. Please note I am not the author of this article. However, I had spent time editing it, and I feel like it has been a waste of my time when someone just comes along a deletes the text. I wonder how would the author of the article feeling.

I hope I am making sense. Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 09:01, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Earthianyogi. Yes, you are making sense; but no, that is not entirely how this works. The relevant policy is BRD. If you read this, you will see that your point 4 is specifically wrong. As for your other points:

• 1 is not relevant, except that the other editor may also be unfamiliar with how we work.
• 2: I agree that that would be preferable, but there are many reasons why people do, or don't edit in the most preferably way.
• 3: I'm not sure what the "credibility" of an editor is. Editing Wikipedia is a combination of applying rules and policies, and balancing subjective views of what is appropriate: that's why we have BRD. AGF says that we should treat all editors equally unless and until their continued behaviour gives cause for concern.
• 5:Wikipedia policy does not require everything to be cited, as long as it could be in principle, (see WP:PERENNIAL#Require inline citations for everything), but editors are often more picky about new material introduced. You are entitled to introduce material without citation (as long as you have verified that there is a source that could be cited - but then, why not cite it?); Dean197 is entitled to regard that as unsatisfactory, and remove it. The next step is to discuss the question and reach consensus.
• 6: Usually "the author of the article" is a phrase without a referent. Most Wikipedia articles are the work of several, sometimes many, separate editors. It is in the nature of how we work that sometimes people will put in effort that is ultimately discarded. This is one of the reasons why it is sometimes a good idea to propose a change on the article's talk page before making a change.

Note that I haven't even been to look at the article and your edits, so I am making no statement about whether I agree or disagree with your additions: I'm just answering your questions about the process. --ColinFine (talk) 09:30, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, Thank you for your reply. I agree with all your points. Concerning point 4, I have not looked at the policy; however, I was just porpoising that we do so. But it is okay if that has already been thought through. I regard to credibility, I mean how do we ensure that the person has the right set of knowledge and skills to do so. Also, a text that is relevant to one person may be irrelevant to another, depending on their perspective. May be the person is just a fraud (how do we assess?). I mainly edited the text of the article, without adding any new info or removing any old info from it. It is okay that some of the work gets discarded, but It has to be done in the right way on a factual basis; otherwise, it is just discouraging. Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 09:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, also, I read this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle. It talks about positive contributions. Just deleting a text without any discussion does not sound positive or constructive to me. Also, it mentions nothing about deleting text. Another editor Tenryuu and I have left comments on Dean197's talk page, but have not got a response yet. Thanks. Earthianyogi (talk) 10:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Earthianyogi. You were bold, Dean197 reverted, now you're discussing. That's how it works. As for credibility: there is no particular knowledge required to edit any article constructively. There are some basic skills in using and understanding English, which we assume that an editor has until they give us reason to doubt that; there are some skills in how Wikipedia works, which we assume that a new editor does not have, but try to teach them gently. You are right that there are people who come on here not to build an Encyclopaedia; but we start by assuming good faith. And if a large edit is done by a vandal or POV pusher, it is usually straightforward to undo it, so nothing is completely lost. --ColinFine (talk) 11:07, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, Thank you Earthianyogi (talk) 11:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

From quick look, the article was tagged before Dean197's deletions with too much detail and citations needed - and much of what was deleted was separately tagged with citation needed - so the actions were not entirely arbitrary. If citations can be found for the deleted content it may be appropriate to restore it, or some of it. Personally, I agree that even if citations are available, there was too much esoteric detail. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a document that helps a person decide which notebook to buy. David notMD (talk) 13:32, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

David notMD, Thank you. I understand, but in that case, why should this article be accepted by Wikipedia in the first place? I feel that it should be completely removed, should n't it? Earthianyogi (talk) 20:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Earthianyogi: if you feel that the article does not meet Wikipedia's criteria, you may nominate it for articles for deletion. Make sure you read WP:BEFORE first. --ColinFine (talk) 08:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

How to start editing Wikipedia?

FYI

 – Heading made by Tenryuu.

How can I start editing Wiki?Vishal prajapati 21 (talk) 06:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Vishal prajapati 21: Welcome to the Teahouse. You can start editing Wikipedia by clicking on "edit page" at the top of a page. You can head over to the Wikipedia:Community portal if you would like suggestions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:33, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Vishal prajapati 21:, start with Help:Introduction. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Vishal prajapati 21:' WP:EDITING might help. REDMAN 2019 (talk) 12:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Vishal prajapati 21: Or try out our interactive tour called The Wikipedia Adventure and collect 15 different badges to demonstrate your achievements along the way. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:56, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu , Gråbergs Gråa Sång , REDMAN 2019 , Nick Moyes Thank you so much all of you for giving me advice . I got it .Now I'll try to contribute on Wikipedia as much as it is possible to create new articles and by editing the existing articles.Vishal prajapati 21 (talk) 05:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Writing my Bio

How do I create a page about myself? Genius1112002 (talk) 13:52, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Genius1112002:, welcome to Wikipedia! We strongly discourage from creating pages about yourself, and most articles about people are deleted for not being notable enough. If you really are notable, it is likely someone will have already created an article for you. I suggest reading WP:FAMOUS, that shows having a Wikipedia page about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If you've read all that and really think you are notable, then I suggest reading WP:MFA and proceeding from there. — Yours, Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 13:59, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

If, by the way, you mean a bio for other users here to see, to help collaboration on shared interests, and so forth, that would go on your user page, @Genius1112002:. Just try to open your red-linked username, and you’ll see a page that says “Creating User:Genius1112002”. It’s pretty self-explanatory from there. As mentioned above, making an actual page about yourself is almost always far more trouble than it is worth. Qwirkle (talk) 21:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Help, Help, Help!

Hi, this is Shadowblade08 again. I only get onto Wikipedia around once a week, and every time I ask a question, it gets archived before I can read the answers that people typed. Here the deal, is there a way that I can stop people from archiving my questions, or is there a way that I can find them? Thx. Shadowblade08 (talk) 15:27, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Your previous questions were "Who was this written by?" on Talk:Coronavirus disease 2019, "Hi everyone, just wanted to check in, and see what was up", "I was just curious, there is so little content in this story. Would it be possible to have someone to write more? on Talk:STS-3, 'Would it be helpful to combine all the different COVID-19 articles into one article, and just have them labeled under different topics?", "Is it possible for me to close a topic on my discussion page?", and "Do you have a coat of arms?". You can't really be surprised that we're not going to keep things like that live indefinitely. You can find the archived questions here by typing in the search field near the top of the Teahouse page where it says "Search archives"—if you're not sure of the exact wording of your question, the easiest thing to do is search for your username. ‑ Iridescent 15:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Excuse me, but I realize that you are clearly annoyed at me. If you want to just be annoyed at me, lets talk about it on my talk page, because there is no reason for me to do it here, where you are definitely not answering my questions. If you want to answer my question, then great, but your not, at least, yet. Thanks again, Shadowblade08 (talk) 15:48, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Despite the fact that you had no question here? And your previous questions were answered? puggo (talk) 16:15, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Not the only people annoyed with you. You joined three weeks ago, have done ~150 edits, but none to articles. Instead, you pose questions at Teahouse and invite other editors to chat with you on your Talk page. Talk is not for chat, and Teahouse is for asking questions about how to edit articles. Get with the program. David notMD (talk) 16:21, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

David notMD, some edits to an article were made, like this one. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:03, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Which I had reverted a few days later because all of the content added was already in the article. David notMD (talk) 18:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

DavidnotMD, I would like to point out that I was only editing what I knew. I knew that there was info like that in the talk page, but people want to read the article not the talk page.

Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Shadowblade08, the location of your thread in the archives is linked in the message in your talk page informing you of the archival. Look for a blue "here" to click.

With that out of the way, what's with your reply to Iridescent that you modified later on, and your reply to the thread immediately below? Are you trying to find out how far you can take the trolling before the nice people at Wikipedia block you? I note that David notMD tried to advise you at your talk already; it's becoming quite clear you are not here to improve the encyclopedia. I would be very careful about your next few edits. This is not a place to hang out and troll around. Usedtobecool ☎️ 16:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

By the nice people I think you mean all the people that are annoyed at me, like you and DavidnotMD, and lots of other people. Whats the deal, cant we just RIP?

Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:36, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Usedtobecool,

I am very aware of that, however at my age, there is very little that I actually can type about, because most of the things on Wikipedia I have know idea of how to talk about. I am sorry that you are disappointed in my edits, but I am only typing what I know about. (which isn't much)

Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:11, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

If y'all would stop arguing for a little bit, and pay attention, cause I have another question. Going back to the original question, I know how to find it. (thanks to the page that I read, not you guys) Now my question is, is there anyway to stop an comment or article, (or whatever else you want to call it) from getting achieved?

Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:33, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Some people who have automatic archiving of their user talk pages add some kind of code to stop certain posts from being archived, which means that there are ways, but Teahouse posts don't need that. (If you were to add any such code to your posts, the code would be removed, because Teahouse posts do have to be archived when there hasn't been any discussion for a while – the page would grow completely unmanageable otherwise.) As long as discussion in a section is actively going on, that section will not be archived. --bonadea contributions talk 14:48, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

How to start a new article with the same name as another page?

I want to start an article on a Cuban writer and professor, but there is already two pages called "Rolando Perez"about other people (sports and music). How do I create a third page that is not confused with the prior two?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolando_Perez https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolando_Antonio_P%C3%A9rez_Fern%C3%A1ndez

I want to create one of this Cuban writer.

Rolando Pérez is Associate Professor at Hunter College (CUNY). He specializes in twentieth century Latin American literature, and his research interests include the relationship between literature and art and between philosophy and literature. His on-going projects consist of reading literary texts vis-à-vis the philosophical concepts of thinkers like Nietzsche, Deleuze, Guattari, Baudrillard, Badiou, Levinas, and Dussel, to name a few. Pérez is author of On An(archy) and Schizoanalysis (1990), Severo Sarduy and the Religion of the Text (1988), Severo Sarduy and the Neo-Baroque Image of Thought in the Visual Arts(2012).Latinxtranslator1 (talk) 18:51, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Latinxtranslator1 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You would add what is called a disambiguation to the title; for example, "Rolando Pérez (writer)". I would suggest, though, that you use Articles for Creation to submit a draft- and if you do, the reviewer can worry about the actual title. 331dot (talk) 19:00, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Latinxtranslator1! Normally I'd suggest something like Rolando Perez (Academic) or Rolando Perez (Cuban academic), but neither is very good in case, though perhaps acceptable. That said, if your article doesn't show WP:BASIC/WP:NACADEMIC, it won't be accepted. I suggest you start as a HELP:Userspace draft. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:11, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I they have no middle name or initial , the suffix(academic) is the usual solution. It's clear enough to guide people. DGG ( talk ) 05:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Linking media pages to articles

Hello!! Kaisquared here. I would like to ask if it is possible to link a reliable media article to a wikipedia article without the link being removed for copyright reasons.Kaisquared (talk) 21:22, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

I would also like to add that the question above is related to a Biography of a Living person

@Kaisquared: Yes, if it's reliable, please cite it. See WP:REFBEGIN if you need help with referencing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:13, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Okay, I am reading it right now. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaisquared (talk • contribs) 22:46, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

@Kaisquared: Links cannot themselves be copyright violations. See WP:LINK and WP:EL for correct use of links. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Well, see WP:COPYVIOEL. There are links we don't include for copyright reasons. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Very important question

Why is the "help page" called the teahouse? --LucasA04 (talk) 22:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04, it's used to convey a calm place where (new) editors can relax and ask questions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:02, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04, You can find some some info on the FAQ and here Wylie39 (talk) 00:19, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Image of tea and a bit extra David notMD (talk) 00:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Bacon butty and mug of tea

LucasA04, Possibly because Wikipedians like me find comfort in Tea. This is a teahouse and I call it my comfort room. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 15:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

With reference to Draft: Shakir Ali Noorie

Dear teahouse editor can you please help me with above draft for its improvement so that it can shifted to main space, thanksMaizbhandariya (talk) 02:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Maizbhandariya, I've done a little bit of copyediting, but some of the material sounds promotional; I suggest you report on the subject with more neutrality (see WP:PUFFERY for more detail). When it's ready click on the "Submit for review" button at the top. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I question whether the Spiritual lineage belongs in the article. Are you saying that this is a lineage of teachers/mentors? David notMD (talk) 02:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I think that it is a spiritual lineage, followed by the Sufi orders. I recommend it be kept short, like saying he is a disciple of so and so Sufi in so and so branch. Else, as the draft seems is promotion of Dawat e Islami as noticed by Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝. The submission should have a summarized head, which may or may not contain inline citation, followed by sections, Early life, education, Career, literary works and so on. These issues need to be fixed. I notice, Maizbhandariya removing AfC comments from the draft submission; this should not be done. Let them remain there so that the next reviewer checks whether the issue has been addressed or not. Best - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 15:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Need help

FYI

 – Moved from its own section to here

Dear editor can you please help me with the Draft:Shakir Ali Noorie whether it is ready for submission or not and new changes for improvement of the Draft required thanksMaizbhandariya (talk) 09:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

"Urgent checking or reviewing of article"

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia. I wrote an encyclopedic article named "Saath charitable trust", which I submitted to Wikipedia. So there's urgent need for me to get my article reviewed and to get answer whether my article is being accepted or rejected. Please I request any one reviewer to review my article as I made all necessary changes that were required. Please it's a sincere request. The reason for urgent reviewing is university assignment I need to submit them the article by 23rd. Please helpMayank.b2 (talk) 02:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mayank.b2:Hello and welcome to the teahouse. Wikipedia editors are volunteers and we do not operate on any set deadlines. It might get reviewed today or it might get reviewed in two weeks. If your professor has set an assignment for you to get a published article, then that is an unreasonable requirement, as no one can guarantee publication. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 02:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Your draft Draft:Saath Charitable Trust has been declined five times, with reviewers each time given reasons. You have submitted it a sixth. There is a strong possibility that it will be Rejected and deleted and banned as a possible topic without approval first from an Administrator. P.S. The organization's own website cannot be used as a reference. David notMD (talk) 02:48, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mayank.b2: Reviewers will review drafts in the backlog; it may take days or months. I strongly suggest your instructor take a look at WP:ASSIGN, as posting an assignment to get an article published is highly discouraged. Is your instructor collaborating with the education program? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Declined, in no way was that ready for publishing. It needs to be rewritten with less puffery. Hell in a Bucket (talk) 04:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mayank.b2. I'm sorry that your tutor has set you an impossible task. Aside from a few things tht could impact Wikipedia legally, such as removing copyright violations and personal attacks, nothing on Wikipedia is urgent. Absolutely nothing. Please show your tutor WP:Education program/Educators, and WP:There is no deadline. --ColinFine (talk) 08:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Web Page Moved

I have a personal web page that has been cited several times by other authors on Wikipedia, although I have scrupulously avoided citing it myself. Due to a mix-up in domain renewal, my site has been moved from "www.quadibloc.com" to "quadibloc.com". I'm not sure if it would be considered legitimate for me to edit these links myself. Quadibloc (talk) 09:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

My thoughts are best practice would be to set url-status=dead/usurped in the citation and looked up an archive version at archive.org/web and set archive-url and archive-date. IABot can sometimes be kicked to help. Others may advise differently.Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I don't see that archiving is relevant, Djm-leighpark (though it might be a good idea for other reasons): the page has simply moved. Quadibloc: my feeling is that you can simply update those URLs as long as you are transparent in your edit summary. An alternative strategy would be to put an edit request on the relevant articles' talk pages. --ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I think archiving is very relevant and the best way to go though many may see it as over the top, in this case Quadibloc sees of very good faith; there are a few who are not so reasonable. As web pages can change the archived copy of the original is likely the best source.Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Quadibloc: a search for "www.quadibloc.com" in our pages yielded these eleven results and of the few pages I checked with "www." in the name, they all still went to quadibloc.com without the www. (e.g. the External links given at Linear-feedback shift register and Penrose tiling). So I'm just wondering whether this is actually anything to be concerned about - or maybe it's just my browser making that redirect?. I certainly don't feel that making a minor change in url to the same overall domain is a serious COI issue. You could even cite this Teahouse discussion in your edit summary. Thanks for being open and upfront. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Quadibloc: I don't understand. If you are the registrant of the domain quadibloc.com, you have control over any sub-domains and hostnames (like www.quadibloc.com) via your DNS records. In this case, both quadibloc.com and www.quadibloc.com resolve to the same IP address – 216.194.64.152, which is lenny.tera-byte.com, which looks like a server at tera-byte.com, an Alberta web hosting provider. Browsing quadibloc.com or www.quadibloc.com produces exactly the same page, and (with Javascript enabled) goes to the same sub-page /desk.htm. Nothing to do regarding this, AFAICT.

Now, it seems there is a problem with your username, per WP:ISU, since it implies shared use because it is the name of your company. I notice it's been registered since 2006. Has the issue come up before? Any admins care to comment? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Publishing for a Middle Eastern Food company on Wikipadeia

Dear all, first I really thank Wikipedia's prompt responses. It appeared that I did not have a lot of idea what to mention and what not on Wikipedia. Can anyone guide me, show me links of other company pages, articles, What I should include and what not. I am responsible to publish a 41-year-old food company page on Wiki, but I don't know which subjects are relevant. I believe this company has a very special role in making Lebanese food worldwide. 14 million Lebanese live outside of their motherland and Al Wadi brand means a lot to them. Please guide me on how my article can be eligible.

thanks in advanceArmen Sepetjian (talk) 10:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Armen Sepetjian: Wikipedia is run by unpaid volunteers. When you say I am responsible to publish a 41-year-old food company page on Wiki, it sounds like you need to disclose a conflict of interest per our policy on paid editing.

Don't bother looking at other articles: you'll only see the wrong parts.

Here is a recipe for an article that will not be rejected. What you need to do is show notability by summarizing and citing at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are not connected to, affiliated with, or dependent upon the Al Wadi brand. Focus on that to get the article approved before you do anything else. Ian.thomson (talk) 10:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Armen Sepetjian Your draft was a clear advertisement. Please understand that Wikipedia is not interested in what a company wants to say about itself. Wikipedia is only interested in what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about a company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Not every company merits an article here, even within the same field. Feel free to show your superiors this message. 331dot (talk) 10:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Armen Sepetjian: To put it a different way, nobody should be responsible to publish a Wikipedia page about themselves/their company/family/organization/charity/etc. on Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia – like Encyclopædia Britannica, World Book, or Encarta – not a business directory or means of promotion. There are places on the web that are specifically designed to help promote people and companies – Wikipedia is definitely not one of them. Wikipedia happens to have articles about a small number of companies (relative to the millions in the world), only because those companies have been written about extensively in independent reliable sources without direct involvement by the company, making them notable for Wikipedia's purposes. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:22, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Adding Language Tab

Siddiqui.hamid (talk) 11:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Siddiqui.hamid: Do you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification

Hi, I have received this following notice. I am not sure what is this and what I am suppose to do? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks Earthianyogi (talk) 11:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

"Disambiguation link notification for April 22

An automated process has detected that you recently added links to disambiguation pages.

Blended threat (check to confirm Earthianyogi (talk) 11:09, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Earthianyogi. It's warning you that some of the wikilinks you added to Blended threat were to pages that are only disambiguation pages, and it would almost certainly be better to replace them with (probably piped) links to the specific topic that is relevant here: specifically Operations and Environment. There's nothing you have to do - that's why it's only a warning - but if you are going to add links to help the reader, it helps them more to link to the specific article. In my opinion, while some of the links you added were good ones, eg "Cyber-attack" I think that linking to life, information, operations, environment and property are really examples of WP:overlinking. --ColinFine (talk) 12:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ColinFine. Thank you. I have removed these links to life, information, operations, environment and property. Earthianyogi (talk) 14:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Becoming an Administrator

Hi there,

I have been editing and attempting to improve Wikipedia articles for over two years, and my dream has been always to become an administrator by helping and protecting Wikipedia. I just realised that you had to be an actual user, and not IP, so I’m not sure what to do, as this could potentially be years of pointless tiring work, so can someone help me?

Cheers, EGL1234

EGL1234 (talk) 11:42, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

EGL1234 I would suggest that instead of setting out with the goal of getting administrator rights, that you just set out with the goal of being a good Wikipedia editor, and making improvements or helping out in ways that interest you. Once you spend a long time(likely years) developing a good edit history that shows you understand Wikipedia guidelines and policies, have a good temperament, good judgement, and a need for the tools, other users will notice you and nominate you. You can see WP:RFA for more information as well as some advice on the process. 331dot (talk) 11:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

331dot Thank you for your reply, but I'm not sure if I stated it well in the question (sorry), but I mean that I have spent many years (7 precisely) diligently editing and imroving articles on my IP account, and I realised that I had to be a user with an account, so I just created this, and is there any way I can "claim" my edits that I made on my IP address?

Cheers, EGL1234 EGL1234 (talk) 11:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@EGL1234: Kinda. Like, you could link to your IP address's contributions on your user page, and sign it from that IP address to verify that it was you.

Linking your account to your IP contributions would give you a head start, and that time spent would be decent practice toward becoming the sort of user that others would nominate for adminship. There's no time limit, it was about a decade until they decided to see if I'd burn this place down with a mop.

As I state in my guide If you have to ask, you're not ready to be an admin. If you're absolutely positive that you're ready to nominate yourself to be an admin, oh God no, you're not. You're probably only ready for WP:Requests for adminship when you know damn well why you shouldn't be an admin but other people insist you'd do a good job for some reason. Ian.thomson (talk) 12:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

EGL1234, I have been an editor since 2005, and have made nearly 17000 edits. I have never applied to be an administrator, because I don't hanker to do any of the things that you need that to do - in particular I am not good in conflict sitations, so I do not want to put myself into a job where I need to get involved in them. If you find a particular kind of activity that you can help Wikipedia with, that requires Admin rights, then by all means put yourself up for it. But otherwise: why? Admins are like the janitors: they do the dirty work that the rest of us don't have to get involved with. --ColinFine (talk) 12:13, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, I suppose you're correct. Its just I enjoy helping Wikipedia, and I do feel that I should be responsible for helping it, so I just wondered. Also, are you saying that I should apply if there is a specific thing I would like to sort out?

p.s. I also wondered what the criteria is to be allowed to make a bot.

Anyways, thanks a lot for you time. Cheers, EGL1234 (talk) 12:27, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

EGL1234 Keep in mind that you can do probably 95% of things on Wikipedia without having the admin tools. But as ColinFine says, if there is a particular thing you want to do that requires the admin tools(such as carrying out speedy deletions), then you might want to consider being nominated or nominating yourself. Regarding bots, please see the bot policy. 331dot (talk) 12:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@EGL1234: A few years ago, someone nominated me for adminship. Because I was doing a lot of vandal-fighting at the time, I thought it would be more efficient for everyone if I were able to handle some of the admin duties myself instead of filing at AIV/UAA and waiting for an admin to work on it. One thing they don't tell you is that you _must_ have a good track record at AfD (with which I have no experience). Another is that there is a very fine line between acceptably and unacceptably defending yourself against unjust accusations, even about trivia. Prepare to have your every action and word scrutinized. My final vote was 47/33/14 – unsuccessful. It was a difficult and disappointing waste of time. My advice: if you like editing here, don't try to be an admin. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:53, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Am I allowed to make an alt account?

Hello! I am a fairly new user in Wikipedia and I would like to know if I could make a second account. This account would only be used so I could run bots (ex. citation bot) on wiki pages. I read about sock puppets but I did not understand if what I want to do would be considered sockpuppetry. Thank you!Kinukram (talk) 12:01, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Kinukram. That sounds fine to me. VALIDALT says "Editors who use bots are encouraged to create separate accounts". --ColinFine (talk) 12:16, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Airplane creator/founder

Who invented the airplane? - ImMuslimandimnotaterrorist (talk) 13:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, ImMuslimandimnotaterrorist, and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse is not the best place for this kind of question - it's for questions about editing Wikipedia - but you can ask them at the Reference desk. But in this case, it's even easier: you just need to look at the Wikipedia article airplane! --ColinFine (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: I guess we answered at the same time with similar answers. Interstellarity (talk) 13:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@ImMuslimandimnotaterrorist: The Teahouse is the place to ask and receive answers regarding how to use or edit Wikipedia. Perhaps you can read the article on Airplane to find the answer to that. Interstellarity (talk) 13:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Creative commons

I will be using a Wikimedia file tagged

.

To omit the "This template should only be used on file pages" comment, what is the edit methodology for showing this source as a footnote reference on a Wikipedia page? DMBanks1 (talk) 14:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

DMBanks1, Could you provide some more details? If you're using a picture on a page, no need to provide the attribution in the article, Wikipedia's backend takes care of all of that. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 15:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@CaptainEek: Calvin O.Benson has indicated to me that the attribution for the image must also be footnoted on the Wikipedia page itself. Although this may well not be a legal necessity, is there a way to achieve this end so that all parties are happy? DMBanks1 (talk) 16:16, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

DMBanks1, Well hold up here. If the photo is copyright by Benson, we can't use it. If he's released it by CC-SA license then we can, but it can't be fully copyrighted (all rights reserved) and CC-SA. Please make sure he understands that by releasing a photo CC-SA (which needs to be confirmed by WP:OTRS email if he himself did not upload it) he is allowing anyone to reuse it with attribution. Anyone, not just Wikipedia.

If he wants his photo footnoted on the page too, that goes beyond CC-SA and we can't use it. You can tell him that it will be footnoted on the photo page, as are all photo permissions, and that it will be visible when people click on the photo to see. But putting at the bottom of an article makes no sense. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 16:43, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@CaptainEek: Many thanks. I've passed on your comments. DMBanks1 (talk) 17:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Children's literature

I'm not sure I spelled that right, (Children's literature) but lets get to what I wan't to say.

Why is this article under the needs help page in the Tea House? ( WP:TH ) I looked over it, and there doesn't appear to have anything wrong at first glance. Could someone help me, cause I don't get it. The link to the page is here

14:48, 22 April 2020 (UTC)Shadowblade08 (talk)

Reasons given: "Unsourced passages need footnotes (January 2017), Weasel-worded phrases (January 2017), Unsourced passages need footnotes (August 2017), Dead external links (August 2017, August 2019)" So, references needed, and some of the External links are to websites that no longer work, so need updating or deleting. David notMD (talk) 15:03, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Good point. Totally agree. Python eggs (talk) 17:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Conflict of interest? Super confused

Hello,

I need some help. Tried creating a page for the term 'Digital companion' and thought I needed my username to be 'Digital companion' as well. Then, I got a message that the page has a potential conflict of interest. I work for a company (Intuition Robotics) that creates digital companions (my company's name was included in my user email, perhaps this was an issue as well?), but I wrote this article about an industry term, not a particular company, and in a way that was as un-biased as possible, and mentioned numerous other companies in this industry (and removed my company's name from the article altogether). I want to know what I can do to get the page published - do I need to change my username, create a new user altogether, or start over? Do I need to disclose conflict of interest, even though I am not profiting off of this article in any way? Will I still be able to get the page published if I say I have a conflict of interest? Some help would be greatly appreciated, as I put a lot of effort already into writing and creating the page, and I was unaware that I would have issues due to either my user name or the fact that I work in the industry of the term of the page I'm trying to create. Digital companion (talk) 14:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi there. Have you taken a look at our conflict-of-interest guidelines? Also, if you accidentally chose a username that you don't want, you can make a request to have it changed here. Aasim 15:31, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Digital companion, Howdy hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Couple of points:

1. Where did you get the impression you needed your username to be the same as the article? This is an honest question, as it happens occasionally and we'd like to prevent that.
2. I'd say it doesn't hurt to declare a conflict of interest in a case like this. It doesn't prevent it from getting approved, just informs and keeps the process transparent. A conflict of interest is different than paid editing, wherein someone is in someway compensated for your edits. I would suggest you declare a COI, though if you wanted a second opinion you could go to The COI noticeboard. Note, if you have been paid in any way for your edits, you must declare that by following the steps at WP:PAID.
3. You can get your account renamed at Wikipedia:Changing username if you'd like, though there is no need. But if you'd like to do some future editing of Wikipedia beyond this article (which I quite hope you do), you might be better off with a more general purpose username. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 15:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Digital companion Hi, I think part of your problem is that there is an article with a similar title. Draft:Digital companion and Draft:Digital compaion. You should request deletion of the misspelled one and resubmit the good one. Wylie39 (talk) 15:45, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi guys, thanks so much for your help here. It's my first time creating a page, and it's proving to be a bit more difficult than I initially thought.
1) I should submit the conflict of interest form (even though I am not profiting off of the page in any way), and it can still be published?
2) Am I allowed to mention my company name (Intuition Robotics) and include a link within the article, or will it be an issue? I deleted it since I thought this was why the page had issues.
3) Yes - I saw that there was an issue (Draft: Digital companion vs. Draft: digital compaion) - thought the draft was deleted but I guess I need an admin to merge them for me? Or can I merge it on my own?
4) Then, how do I get the page published on regular Wikipedia? I submit it to my User page, and then it can be reviewed again? I don't see an option to get Draft: Digital companion published onto regular Wikipedia. What is the difference between a User page and Draft page?
Thanks so much!! Digital companion (talk) 15:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Digital companion 1) Yes. If you mention your company's name.

2) I think so.

3) You will need an admin to do it.

4) When you feel that the article is ready, you can submit it for review by an experienced editor. You can add {{subst:submit} } to the top of the draft to submit it. A reviewer will then look at your draft and move it to the main article space or give you feedback on how to improve it. You can always edit the page, even while waiting for a review.

So perhaps it wasn't a good idea to submit the COI form? I just entered this code, maybe I entered it wrong:

This user has publicly declared that they have a conflict of interest regarding the Wikipedia article Digital companion.

My page has now been tagged for speedy deletion...seems pretty unfair. Is this because I submitted the conflict on interest form, as users here instructed me to do? I don't see anything wrong with the page, and whoever requested to speedily delete it said "This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic," which is not true...

Digital companion I contested the speedy deletion of the correct one by linking it to this page. see here. I also recommend changing your user name. See here {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 20:20, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Wylie39So how can I proceed? Seems like the correct one still has the speedy deletion tag on it. Is there any way for me to get it published? Or no, now that someone has put the speedy deletion tag, and I've submitted the COI form? Digital companion (talk) 06:22, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Digital companion: It looks like Draft:Digital companion has had the tag removed. I would read through the article and make sure that it is from a neutral point of view. make sure it goes over the positives and negatives of Digital companions. Then you can try to resubmit. I would also highly recommend you change your username. {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 12:40, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Help these users are threatening me that I will be blocked and deleting my work

On 2020 Palghar mob lynching

I need help. Some people are threatening me that I will be blocked and deleting my work. First they said I did not add reference. Even though I gave all reference. Now they are removing line saying, this is duplicate. They are removing the most important information from the article abstract. The abstract needs this. I have followed the rules and not done anything wrong. Please see this and ask them to stop blocking me.Pratap Pandit (talk) 15:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Pratap Pandit: Per the note on your talk page, the block warning is due to edit warring. Stop making changes to the article and discuss on the article's talk page to get consensus on the changes. RudolfRed (talk) 15:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Pratap Pandit, Howdy hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! For starters, you are edit warring, wherein you repeat the same edit. That is not helpful, and can get you blocked. The way to solve this problem is to discuss it on the talk page (Talk:2020 Palghar mob lynching). Its possible this is a simple misunderstanding, please discuss it with the other editors. If that fails, there are multiple forms of dispute resolution available. But please don't edit war, that is disruptive. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 15:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

CaptainEek, Ok I will do as you asked.

RudolfRed, Please read the line they are removing. The user is saying it is nor fit for LEAD, but it is THE MOST IMPORTANT LINE of the article. Please see this news article why it is important. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/no-muslim-arrested-for-palghar-lynching-incident-maharashtra-minister-anil-deshmukh/articleshow/75288363.cms

I think these users are BJP agents and that is why they are removing important facts from the article to spread rumours. They must be blocked.

@Pratap Pandit: It looks like you may be engaged in a content dispute. If your change gets reverted, you can use the talk pages of articles. And no, you are not going to be blocked unless if you cause disruption. Read our block policy for more details. You can do almost anything here with common sense. Aasim 15:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Aasim as CaptianEek asked I raised the issue on Talk:2020 Palghar mob lynching but no one is replying. Instead now they have asked administrator with false case of Edit warring.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:Pratap_Pandit_reported_by_User:GreaterPonce665_(Result:_)

I have not violated the 3 revert rule that this user explained on my wall. So with only 2 edits, how can they file the false report ? is this allowed ?

When will my page on Dev Dushyant Kumar Joshi be created. What are the steps to ensure successful creation of pages.

Harshit00111 (talk) 16:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Harshit00111. Welcome to Wikipedia. Are you creating the page yourself? Have you requested the page's creation? If not, please go here and review the guides. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requested_articles puggo (talk) 16:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to The Teahouse. Your draft Draft:Dev Dushyant Kumar Joshi has not been submitted for review but it has no sources at all so would be declined. Theroadislong (talk) 16:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Harshit00111, your page has not yet been submitted for review. However, before you submit it, it needs to be referenced to reliable sources. A reader of the article needs to be able to check where all the information in the article has come from. Please have a read of either Help:Introduction to referencing with Wiki Markup/1 or Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor/1, depending on your preference, add references, then submit your article to be reviewed.

As to the steps, when your article is ready, place {{subst:submit}} on the page. This then adds it to the queue to be reviewed. A reviewer will then check over the article, then either move it to mainspace as a normal article, or give you additional feedback to improve it. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 16:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft:George Schaefer neutrality

FYI

 – Heading created by Tenryuu.

How would I make the below article more neutral, as it was noted for having too much praise? Anything else you would add? Thanks!

Article content

George Schaefer George Schaefer (1928 - 2013) was an American businessman known for his leadership with the Caterpillar Inc. construction equipment company. After graduating from Saint Louis University in 1951, Schaefer began his career at Caterpillar where he spent the next 39 years. Schaefer became chairman and CEO of Caterpillar in 1985 until 1990 when he retired. George Schaefer took over Caterpillar during troubled times, as the company's losses amounted to nearly $1 billion, strikes were prevalent at most of its plants across America, and foreign competition was becoming very strong. In 1985, Schaefer began his transformation of Caterpillar through a number of cost-cutting efforts, most notably having production take place offshore. Schaefer moved away from the centralized business model by implementing a number different programs which he had previously designed: venture capital, financial services, and product development. This structure that Schaefer created still remains in place today for the construction equipment company. Schaefer was also responsible for changing the company name from Caterpillar Tractor Co. to Caterpillar Inc. The transformation that Schaefer led while chairman drove Caterpillar from losses and uncertain times to achieving exponential profits and global growth. Schaefer was appointed to Ronald Regan's advisory committee for Trade Negotiations in April of 1987.

Csmswim (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Csmswim: Using words like "troubled" and "transformation" in a manner like that are more in line with narratives, not neutral prose. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Google Books as source

Is a book found in Google Books an acceptable source? The book in question was published by a major publishing house. It has footnotes giving its sources, although in Google Books the page of footnotes that backs up the passage I'm interested in is missing, as Google Books does. I have looked for a better source for a paragraph on a page I was reading, James Pike. The rather lengthy, detailed paragraph about his death has no inline sources at all. I looked for a reliable source and found just blogs and other dubious sources, until I came across this biography of him at https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/kc6l3Cos440C. I suppose another way to go would be to look through the page's history, find who added that paragraph, go to that editor's talk page, and ask for a source from her or him. Dgndenver (talk) 16:40, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dgndenver. All that matters is that the source has been reliably published: it doesn't have to be on line at all. If it is available through Google Books, then that is a convenience that makes things easier for the reviewer or the reader; but it is not required. However, you should not add a citation to a source that you have not seen yourself, just because you have seen it cited somewhere. It may be that somebody at WP:WRE can help you find the cited material. --ColinFine (talk) 20:36, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

delete of page

hello every one,it's a Q for me what are references can help me to explain the importance truly? how I have to search for good references? thanks.راضیه کاشی (talk) 16:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can find out more about references at Wikipedia:References. Wikipedia articles need to have significant coverage - coverage greater than just in passing - in reliable sources - sources that can be trusted. Rubbish computer (Talk: Contribs) 17:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear راضیه کاشی, Normal of that would be a random search on google, in English and native language both, bearing in mind that the references shouldn't be from blogs and close related portals. - Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 17:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

so as you said news websites and festival sites should be okay for a person notability yes?Ra_Ka 17:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Festival sites are not independent of their subject, so, "no".--Quisqualis (talk) 19:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Question

Do "invisible messages" really work? I've been using them for a while now and I wonder, have I been using the correct way? I use them to remind other users to do this or that, or to tell them that this is not right. Am I doing it right?LucasA04 (talk) 17:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@LucasA04: Welcome to Wikipedia. Please explain what you mean by "invisible messages", to help us answer your question. RudolfRed (talk) 18:14, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

RudolfRed, this, You will usually see it when you're visual editing, but you can look at it as well through source editing. LucasA04 (talk) 19:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04, yes, they will show up on both visual and source editors. Whether editors read the comments or not is up to them. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:08, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

How to find easy articles to edit

Hello, I am trying to find articles that need simple copyediting and grammatical fixes to edit. How do I find a list of those? How do I mark that I have fixed them once I have?Bgardener32 (talk) 19:00, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Bgardener32 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for wanting to contribute. You can find such a list at the Community Portal. 331dot (talk) 19:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I'm not immediately sure about your second question. 331dot (talk) 19:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Bgardener32, welcome to the Teahouse. As 331dot pointed out, the Community Portal is a good place to look for articles that need maintenance (including copyediting). If you're asking about attribution, your edit is saved in the article's history (which can be accessed by clicking history at the top of the article (or you can use Alt+⇧ Shift+H as a keyboard shortcut). If there was a {{copy edit}} tag added you can remove it when the article has been proofread.

Shameless plug: If you're interested in copyediting, please feel free to check out the Guild of Copyeditors WikiProject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

why so many people are so keen to reject?

Hallo, the AFD process for the bio I wrote just finished and resulted in a keep. The bio was declined twice and than rejected. I kept asking what was the problem and the only answer was not reliable sources. when I tried to understand what were exactly the sources to cause the problem I got no answers at all. if you are too busy to feed the writer of an article with all the information he needs to understand your decision and improve his article please just don't do anything. If you fail someone's work than it would be fair for you to be available to explain your decision and help. Honestly i don't feel that those who have rejected/declined the bio I wrote were moved by genuine intentions, otherwise they would have answered me and explained me what it was wrong in their opinion.

In the ADF talk page I was accused of going everywhere to ask for information, what was I supposed to do? if nobody answers me should I just let it be?

moreover, telling a person stuff like "fails WP:GNG", "fails WP:BASIC" or " fails WP:ANYBIO" needs to come with an explanation as those are very much interpretabile guide lines. If your point is to get something done fast please do something else. If your point is to improve wikipedia be there for giving all the necessary info.

thank you --19:52, 22 April 2020 (UTC)AlejandroLeloirRey (talk)

moreover, when I received the rejection I went everywhere asking what I could do and everybody just told me there vere scarse possibilities for me to see the bio published. after I asked 1000 times someone finally offered me to put it in the AFD and I have accepted. This behavior is not constructive neither. don't Just answer "it is hard or it is almost impossible" tell also what is can be done. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 19:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

An acceptable article requires reliable sources that establish the subject as notable. If no-one can find such sources, then the subject isn't notable, and an article on it is not warranted. There's nothing that can be done to get round that. Maproom (talk) 07:29, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Maproom: hallo, please ping people when you give them an answer otherwise they might never see our answer. I said that my article was kept, but this is not the point. the point is not if the sourcing is good or bad but the fact that if you tell someone his sourcing is bad than you need to explain a little bit your opinion, especially if you have the power of failing his article. if you say the source is bad than explain why in detail. probably the user spent a lot of time writing his article, you can take 10 min to let him know why his work is not accepted. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 07:47, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok, AlejandroLeloirRey, I'll explain why some of the references in Marricke Kofi Gane do not help to establish that he is notable.

• 2, 3, 4 and 8 report what he said himself, so are not independent.
• 5, the link given is to a page that does not mention him.
• 6, the link given is to a page with no content, but apparently written by him and so not independent.
• 7 is to a list of articles by him, and so not independent.

Reference 1 however does seem to me to qualify as helping to establish notability. Anyway, I see that the article has now been accepted; so, congratulations! Maproom (talk) 08:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Maproom: I wan't talking about Marricke Kofi Gane but this one sounds like a very good answer. this is exactly the type of answers people should give when they fail an article.

To everybody, if you tell someone that this is not the right place to talk about anything than give the link to the most appropriate place. --AlejandroLeloirRey (talk) 09:22, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Martha Richards

gave it a section heading

I added a lot of information to this page and then submitted it for review, but now when I look at the draft, there are only a few sentences (a fraction of what was originally there). What's the reason for this? Did the other things I added get deleted? I also got a notification that this page had not been approved, but now looking at the draft it says "Review Waiting" again.Charliewitherspoon222 (talk) 19:58, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

View history shows that content removed because it was copied from a copyright protected source. Need to paraphrase instead, and cite. David notMD (talk) 20:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

How to change a photo in an entry

7donohoe7 (talk) 20:32, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey @7donohoe7:. Just press edit, and replace the file name with the name file you want to replace it with. For example, remove File:example.jpg and replace those words with File:secondexample.jpg. --HillelFrei^{• talk •} 20:39, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

7donohoe7, HillelFrei's advice is right if the new picture is already available in Wikimedia Commons. If it isn't, it will have to be uploaded there, and that requires determining if the copyright is acceptable. If you took the new picture yourself, you will usually hold the copyright, and you can license it as "own work"; but otherwise, you generally need the copyright holder to donate it. See Help:Upload, and donating copyright material. --ColinFine (talk) 21:06, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

History

Is it possible to write history about the whole word??Azola Mlotywa (talk) 20:37, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Azola Mlotywa: That topic seems a bit too general. Instead, Wikipedia contains articles about specific things, and many articles contain a section of the history of the subject of the article. (There is an article on Human history.) If you have a more specific question, feel free to ask. Regards, HillelFrei^{• talk •} 20:50, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

About merging user account

Is there any way on English Wikipedia to merge user accounts?— GargAvinash ^talk 20:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@GargAvinash: unfortunately not - you have to pick the one you want and abandon the other. You can leave a note on the user page of the abandoned account pointing to the other account, explaining the situation. It's discouraged for editors to have multiple accounts unless there's a good reason, described at WP:SOCKLEGIT. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:57, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Timtempleton: Thanks for the reply. — GargAvinash ^talk 21:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Uploading images

I've been trying to upload an image to User talk:Enterprisey/reply-link to show them my error logs when using this persons script. I've also filed a abuse filter report on wp commons, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons_talk:Abuse_filter. A person responded and I responded back, but they still haven't resonded. Apparently I triggered Special:AbuseFilter/153. I changed the png to jpg but it said that it couldn't verify the photo. At this I don't know what to do.LucasA04 (talk) 21:05, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Try uploading the jpeg here with a new name. If you already tried there try Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 21:19, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Wylie39, Not working LucasA04 (talk) 21:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04, On both links? {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 21:28, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Wylie39, I'm trying to do it on the other link, would you be able to help me what type of work it is for step 3? LucasA04 (talk) 21:53, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04, Definitely, what exactly are you try to upload. If you created it and have not copyrighted it you can use "this is free work" and then "entirely my own work" Then select upload. Not upload to Commons. {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 22:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

wylie39: I don't think "and have not copyrighted it" means anything. WP:Copyright#Using copyrighted work from others says "All creative works are copyrighted, by international agreement, unless either they fall into the public domain or their copyright is explicitly disclaimed". (I know that is in a section which is not about this case, but I don't think that affects my point.) --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine: wouldn’t be different if it you copyrighted it and didn’t want to change it to creative commons. {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 22:51, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

wylie39: I don't know what you mean by "you copyrighted it". If you created it, it is copyrighted, and usually to you, so that you have the power to license it eg under CC. --ColinFine (talk) 08:05, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine: Ok, I must just be confused. Thanks for pointing it out to me. {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 12:27, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Wylie39, It's a screenshot of some text from another user and my attempted reply with a separate window of all the errors I was getting. LucasA04 (talk) 23:07, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04 You can you what I described above. Free work and then entirely my own. {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 23:10, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Wylie39, Well I didn't necessarily create it but it was text submitted to wp. LucasA04 (talk) 23:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04: it should be fine. {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 23:15, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04:It looks like you got it. {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 23:29, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Wylie39, Yep, thank you very much. Hope I get this other error fixed soon. LucasA04 (talk) 23:36, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

LucasA04: You’re welcome. Come back and have a cup of tea anytime. {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 23:39, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Wylie39, Absolutely! LucasA04 (talk) 23:40, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Acquiring knowledge isn't understanding

Wikipedia defines knowledge as a understanding, but it isn't the same thing. Knowledge needs to be revised.Understanding is different. aEliasladd (talk) 21:30, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@Eliasladd: you can comment on a specific article on it's talk page, see Talk:Knowledge. In general, if you notice an error on Wikipedia, feel free to contribute. Wikipedia's content is written by volunteer editors. --HillelFrei^{• talk •} 21:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Question 2

Question What happens if an sysop vandalizes pages or anything bad on Wikipedia? What happens if a bureau/sysop is blocked?Paul Ahyi (talk) 21:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Paul Ahyi. Great question! I'm sure in your country, if a police officer or government official does something bad, there will be an investigation; if found guilty, appropriate action would be taken. So it is here on Wikipedia. I was recently made a sysop. I really hope I won't do anything seriously wrong or mischievous here. But if I did, and was clearly damaging this encyclopaedia, there would be an investigation by a group of very experienced editors (bureaucrats) who form our 'Arbitration Committee'. These bureaucrats are experienced administrators, and are voted into their positions by the community - inlcuding yourself, if you so wished. If it were found that I was acting in the wrong way, I might receive a warning (possibly sent publicly or privately to me), or could have my sysop (admin) rights removed right after their deliberations, or I might possibly be blocked altogether from editing. All these have happened a number of times in the past. In fact, two sysops had their admin rights removed only last month (read more at 'The Signpost'). Just like anyone else, if an editor with enhanced rights (bureaucrat/sysop) is blocked, they will not be able to edit Wikipedia until such time as either their block has expired, or they make an appeal and it is accepted. Does that answer your question? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:56, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

But sysops can unblock himself, right? Also, ext.conf is average 17 edits a day. Paul Ahyi (talk) 00:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Paul Ahyi: no - a blocked admin cannot unblock themselves. If another admin tried to unilaterally unblock an admin who had been legitimately blocked by 'ArbCom' or by what is known as 'Office Actions' by the Wikimedia Foundation, they themselves could be the subject of blocking action. If you are really interested in the complexities of such matters, you might like to delve through thousands of kilobytes at WP:FRAMBAN - a recent saga involving a number of admins. BTW: I've just noticed on your userpage that you've asked how you can block another editor if you are not an administrator. The answer is that you cannot block them yourself, though you can report them whilst at the same time providing evidence of what they have done wrong. Two common fora for these complaints are: A) Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism (also known as WP:AIV), and B) Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents (also known as WP:ANI). Quite often people who are actually causing the trouble are the ones who make the first complaint at WP:ANI. This is not a place to go to lightly, but we soon see through frivolous complaints, and such complainants often find themselves to be the target of administrator sanctions in order to protect the encyclopaedia. I hope none of this happens to you! Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Give me a list of blocked sysops. Paul Ahyi (talk) 00:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Paul Ahyi: I don't have one to hand, right now, or do I know if there is a full list somewhere. You do ask rather aggressively - is there a problem?  Nick Moyes (talk) 00:24, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Is there a way to be sysop? In FRAMBAN is included Cabayi? Поль Угуджи --Paul Ahyi (talk) 00:30, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Paul Ahyi: Yes, User:Cabayi is an active administrator see here. Their 'block log' shows they have never been blocked. Why do you ask? I do not see their name in the collapsed version of the WP:FRAMBAN page. And yes, there is indeed a way to be a sysop. It takes some years and often tens of thousands of edits to build up the experience and to be able to demonstrate to the community that one properly understands all of Wikipedia's many policies and guidelines, and that one can be trusted with what we jokingly call 'the mop'. These are the extra commands that administrators have in order to manage, maintain and protect Wikipedia. Having spent some years getting to know these things, one can put oneself through a week-long process called 'Request for Adminship' (RfA). It's not to be taken lightly. There, other editors will look deeply into that person's past editing, asks a wide range of searching questions, and 'vote' on their suitability. If enough editors support the nominee, they are given a few extra tools to help do their work. You can see my own recent RfA here.

Quite often, these experienced editors are able to support and guide new editors; at other times they can start to grow suspicious of a new editor's motives. For example, your very first edit here, just four hours ago, was quite unusual (see diff) which prompts me to ask whether you have previously edited here, or received a block from Cabayi or some other admin which you are trying to evade? It's an honest question -you do not need to answer if you don't wish to, but these things do tend to reveal themselves sooner or later. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:56, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Paul Ahyi: Politeness is also necessary :) --Hillelfrei^{• talk •} 01:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Nick and Hillel, when they reached 30 days on Wikipedia how many edits you got? Give me a link of admins blocked. If Cabayi blocked me I will try to unblock me in the talk page. If so I will make an account called NauruTuvalu100849999, and thinking how to be polite. Paul Ahyi (talk) 01:08, 23 April 2020 (UTC) Pol Uguzhi

@Paul Ahyi: I do apologise, but I'm afraid I neither understand any of what you have just said, or have already answered you. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

But how i can be Admin? Paul Ahyi (talk) 01:14, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Paul Ahyi: I'm afraid you stand absolutely no chance whatsoever right now, and probably not for at least the next 18 months (even assuming you put the effort in to learn and understand how we operate, as this conversation would inevitably be brought into any RfA). You might then also find yourself being accused, possibly unfairly, of being a WP:TROLL. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:20, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I am not a troll. I have questioned this because I need to be an administrator in May 22. Paul Ahyi (talk) 01:26, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Maybe May 22, 2022. And that is if you focus on improving articles, creating articles, raising articles to GA status, appropriately identifying articles for Speedy deletion, Prod of AfD, and so on, and so on, and so on. Your "need" and Wikipedia's process are on two different planets. David notMD (talk) 01:36, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

David, but you read or you have a IQ of 0? It says 30 days and 500 edits, so, to became a sysop you must get more than 30 days, and I do not know how the votes take. Also call me Pol' Ugudzhi. What is AfD and how it works? Why maybe 22-5-22? A minimum is 23-5-2020, and you can be admin and ext. confirmed. I have viewed some wikis in where you can be sysop without logging in. Pol' Ugudzhi. Paul Ahyi (talk) 02:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Paul Ahyi: I think it is clear that you are trolling and as such this discussion is over. Regards,Hillelfrei^{• talk •} 03:04, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Paul Ahyi, those are the minimum requirements to be eligible for adminship. The next few sentences are:

However, the likelihood of passing without being able to show significant positive contributions to the encyclopedia is low. The community looks for a variety of factors in candidates and discussion can be intense.

Why are you in such a hurry to become an admin? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hillel, I am not a troll. I also wanna protect pages and block users, while also deleting offensive and vandalism pages. Pol' Paul Ahyi (talk) 03:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

You can revert vandalism now. You can nominate articles for protection now. You can submit complaints about editors because of their behavior (edit warring, attacking other editors) now. You can nominate articles for deletion (AfD) now. None of this requires being an administrator. David notMD (talk) 09:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC) Thanks David. I will nominate the articles for protection: Kiribati & Qatar (ext.con). Paul Ahyi (talk) 16:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC) Give me the link.

Article Review

Hello. I need some help for Draft: Aaron D. Lewis, corrections have been made to this draft, I am yet to figure out why it has not been published, or why someone cannot help me with further corrections if needed. i will like someone to look into it. Thank you.TheEpistle (talk) 23:04, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

TheEpistle, it is currently in the review backlog. A reviewer will get to it when they can. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:35, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Reviewed and Declined. Reviewer provided reasons and additional Comments. David notMD (talk) 09:59, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

What is a recommended gadget / script / etc for checking for copyright violations on any given Wikipedia page?

Looking to see what the preferred tools are for veteran editors. Thanks for your help!Loksmythe (talk) 23:32, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Loksmythe and welcome to the Teahouse. I am certainly a bit of a veteran in more than one way, but not an expert on copyright matters by any means! In the past, I and many others relied upon a tool with the unusual name of 'Earwig's CopyVio Tool'. It analysed a Wikipedia page and compared it with other online pages, giving a report which showed where content matched. It stopped functioning a short while back for reasons I won't go into -so I stopped trying to use it. But it looks like it might be coming back into functionality. Try it out at https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/ and do check out the resources at Wikipedia:Copyright violations. The one thing to bear in mind is that matching reports doesn't always prove that someone has copied a webpage into Wikipedia; sometimes the reverse is the case. A lot of our content gets mirrored and taken/used by people who do not follow our licencing conditions and credit Wikipedia as the source. So one has to investigate as carefully as possible. Does this help? Nick Moyes (talk) 00:21, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Yes, this helps Nick Moyes! Appreciate your thoughtful answer. Loksmythe (talk) 04:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Digital Marketing

A cup of tea for Simone, to welcome her here.

Hi there, I would like to add new, cited information to update this page [[1]] What do I need to do? Thanks, --01:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)LilMew88 (talk)

LilMew88, welcome to the Teahouse. The page you've linked to has been semi-protected, meaning that only users that are autoconfirmed (accounts older than 4 days and have at least 10 edits) can directly edit the article. If you wish to contribute to it now, navigate to the article's talk page and leave an edit request (in this case, {{edit semi-protected}}) on there. Write down where in the article you want changed, the content to add/change/remove, and the source that cites it. Apparently you are an autoconfirmed user, so you can edit the article directly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello LilMew88 It's great to have you here. The page Digital Marketing is 'semi-protected', meaning that only 'autoconfirmed' users can edit it. That second term means that users must already have been here on Wikipedia for at least 4 days, and have made at least 10 edits, as Tenryuu says. Hooray! You have passed that point, so you may now edit it yourself! I suspect the page was originally protected because it probably attracted many of the wrong sort of people. You know, biased, promotional people who wanted simply to POV-push their own subject in a way that didn't fit with a neutral encyclopaedia. Oh yes, I remember, they're called 'Digital Marketeers'! Anyway, forgive the failed humour...

...If you feel a genuine need to add good quality content, you will need to base it upon reliably-published sources, not blogs, press releases and company websites, nor use all the promo-waffle that digital marketeers love to write. To help editors add and to cite these better sources, we have a guidance page (see WP:REFBEGIN). It's rubbish, in my view. So I wrote this: (WP:EASYREFBEGIN) which I'm sure will help if you get stuck. Let us know how you get on and maybe you might like to learn a bit more about this amazing encyclopaedia by trying out The Wikipedia Adventure. Best wishes, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:38, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello Tenryuu and Nick Moyes Thank you for the feedback and advice! Duly noted. Please feel free to critique my edits, as I aim to improve, but am just a beginner, tying to do something good with my free time due to the stay-at-home orders. Thanks again!--LilMew88 (talk) 01:42, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@LilMew88: Brilliant! We can ask no more than you do your best. Everyone makes a few mistakes to begin with, so don't be discouraged by the odd editing error. It's a great learning experience, and here at the Teahouse we're happy to offer advice .... plus the occasional cuppa. Don't knock it! Nick Moyes (talk) 01:49, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

LilMew88: Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. My best advice is to Be bold and make the edits. if you think the edit could be controversial you could ask on the talk page of the article. If you make a mistake that's ok. It might get reverted, but hopefully, you will be able to learn from your mistakes. {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 01:49, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Can this be specified

What is the difference between the wikitext editor and the visual editor. Also I use a spell checker extension called "Grammarly" to help me with identifying misspelled words and other things, it appears to have stopped working on both visual and source editor. I believe it has to do with a change I did in my "Gadgets" tab but I do not know which it could be. LucasA04 (talk) 04:23, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, LucasA04. Our wikitext editor (also known as Source Editor) is the original -and most powerful- way of creating content. You used it to write this question here. It uses quite simple commands to create formatting for bold or italics. It's a bit like a very simple HTML. Wikipedia:VisualEditor was created to be simpler to use, giving a WYSIWYG user interface. It does many simple tasks well, but can't do others. It was intended for beginners, and you will find most long-term editors, like me, stick with Source Editor.

I have heard of Grammarly (having been forced to sit through numerous awful ads for it on YouTube.) It looks to be an American product, and therein lies the risk if you try to use it (or indeed any other spellchecker) on Wikipedia. There are often perfectly acceptable alternative spellings for innumerable words. (colour/color; centre/center spring instantly to mind). As we do not permit any editor to try to force through their preferred way of spelling, users can get into difficulty if they blindly try to follow what some piece of software is telling them, without appreciating that Wikipedia is read right around the globe. See WP:ENGVAR for more guidance on this.

Finally, if you have made changes in your personal settings that you no longer like, you do have the option of resetting them all back to the default. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:27, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

As an addendum, I find they both outperform one another in different situations. Navigating tables is much easier with the visual editor, while building or editing templates is best done with the source editor, even if the visual editor could be used in template space. I generally refrain from using the VisualEditor as it makes me lazy with editing, particularly when I have to go into spaces like talk pages where it doesn't work. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:20, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu and Nick Moyes:, Thank you both, if most of the article is written in non-american/american/other variants (or if it says to write it in a certain variant which it should), then I can just switch a setting and say "I write in British English" or "I write in Australian English." I've read WP:ENGVAR many times so I've figured out a lot of rules about it. Also, I've figured out what was wrong, (I'll send a couple of images and show you), if I turn on "Temporarily disable the Visual Editor while it is in beta" than I get reverted to the following(Disregard the legacy editing toolbar):

Disable Visual editor option is on

Now this is what it looks like when it is off:

Disable visual editor is off

Still being active on old pages

Hi there fellow Wikipedians, I just wanted to raise some awareness that some old articles' talk pages, e.g. Scalextric, have some unanswered questions (I have answered one of them), and no one is responding to people asking to add sections. An example is a request for a section on digital Scalextric on the page Scalextric. Please can someone still improve old articles, and I would do it, although being an inexperienced editor, I will probably mess up! Cheers, EGL1234 (talk) 05:10, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

EGL1234, per WP:s nature, that is quite common. There are millions more articles than there are active editors. If you can fix old issues noted on talkpages that's excellent, but the editor you replied to here [2] hasn't edited since 2006, and is unlikely to benefit from your response. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:32, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Deletion Policy On Surnames

While browsing through random Wikipedia articles I stumbled upon Dorle. I immediately assumed that it didn't meet WP:Notability and WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a dictionary/WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not a directory. However I hesitated when I realized the User that created the article was an administrator and had created many such pages. I was unable to find any helpful information on their user page so I went looking and found WP:Deletion policy/names and surnames. I then considered deleting the article because of that, but I saw the policy was historical. I saw there was debate on the matter and don't know if there was consensus. I tried to search the village pump but it's very confusing to me and I don't know how to work it. Is there a consistent set of guidelines? What should I do?

Sidequestion: Is there a larger article that explains the village pump? I haven't been able to find one that explains exactly what it does.

Thanks for the help in advanceThatSuperNerd (talk) 07:24, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Dorle is not an article, it's a disambiguation page. The WP:Notability standards do not apply. Maproom (talk) 07:57, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

It's technically not a disambiguation page but a set index article. It still doesn't have to be notable by itself if the listed items are notable. See Wikipedia:Set index articles#Common selection criteria. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:10, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much! In the future is there any identifying features I should look for, because I can’t find anything that mentions that. ThatSuperNerd (talk) 15:56, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Episode table colours issue

I am currently working on a draft, and I noticed that the episode table in the linked section (User:RedBulbBlueBlood9911/sandbox#Talking Tom Heroes) uses the assigned colour for only the first 9 or 10 episodes. I haven’t noticed anything out of the ordinary, so can someone show me what’s wrong with the code?RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 07:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi there RedBulbBlueBlood9911, I have just reviewed your case, and I noticed that your table is styled the same for all episodes, including 9 and 10. If you did submit it now, the table would not look different for the different episodes, it would just have the blue styling that you put on.

Cheers, EGL1234 (talk) 08:08, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@RedBulbBlueBlood9911: Episode 10 to 21 say Linecolor instead of LineColor so the parameter is ignored. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:00, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for pointing that out, PrimeHunter. The table is rendering properly now that I’ve replaced the offending code. On a side note, I have no idea how the LineColor became Linecolor, since I copied the syntax using copy-paste. Anyways, thanks! RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 09:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Creating an Article that has a Redirect Link

Hi! I wanted to create an article for a member of the band Pentatonix, Scott Hoying. I was trying to create a link from the article for the Pentatonix's page, but when I try to link his name, the link automatically redirects back to the Pentatonix's article. How do I remove this redirect in order to create an independent article? Mayag224 (talk) 08:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Mayag224 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would first note that individual band members do not typically merit standalone articles, unless they have a solo career independent of the band and they meet the Wikipedia definition of a notable musician by themselves. If that's the case here, you can edit the redirect to be an actual article; if you go to Scott Hoying, you will be taken to(as you already know) Pentatonix. If you are using a computer or the desktop version on your phone, you should see small text underneath the title that says "redirect from Scott Hoying". If you click the link in that text, it will take you to the redirect page, and you can edit that page. 331dot (talk) 08:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

There's an additional complication with that redirect. Wikipedia search seems to favour directing people to Scott hoying, but Scott Hoying also exists. Both have the same redirect on them. - X201 (talk) 08:24, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi, Mayag224. While you can certainly do as 331dot has suggested, I would give you the advice that I always give people who are not very experienced at creating new encyclopaedia articles: it is one of the hardest tasks there is in editing Wikipedia (some say the hardest task) and unless you are certain that you can make an acceptable article at your very first try, I advise you to use the articles for creation process to make a draft. When you submit your draft for review, and a reviewer accepts it, they will sort out the issue with the redirect. Please look at your first article if you haven't already done so. --ColinFine (talk) 08:31, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, 331dot and ColinFine. Also, I have created a few articles in the past, though I definitely wouldn't consider myself very experienced. -- Mayag224 (talk) 09:05, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Mayag224: I'll note that Scott hoying was previously an article, created by User:Scotthawk (perhaps the subject himself; see User talk:Scotthawk), deleted, re-created as an article, and then redirected to the band's article. If Scott Hoying (the correct capitalization) becomes a standalone article, Scott hoying should be redirected to it instead of Pentatonix, though deleting it would proably be better, as it's an unnecessary variant (and not linked to from any mainspace articles). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:36, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Attempt at improving a stub

I was interested in the article about Harris Lebus which apparently was once the largest furniture manufacturer in the world. I noticed that references 2 and 4 (apparently identical but presumably referring to different parts of a source) no longer worked. To compensate I tried to provide a new source (https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/34201802/a-history-of-harris-lebus-1840-1947-unpublished-manuscript-by-ls-) via the web template. However, the new reference 1 just leads to the yumpu.com web site. If, however, the URL is put directly into the web it goes to the source.

I would like help in correcting this problem as well as being able to update the history comment that I put in. 10:52, 23 April 2020 (UTC)BFP1 (talk)

If you could specify exactly what you would like me to do, I am willing to help! Thanks, EGL1234 (talk) 11:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you EGL1234. If you click on the URL in this message it goes to the source. If you click on reference 1 in the article, which includes the same URL, it does not. I would like reference 1 to go to the source. Also, is it possible to retrieve references 2 and 4?BFP1 (talk) 12:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC) I should have done this @EGL1234:BFP1 (talk) 13:52, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey @BFP1: I fixed all your references. You can see WP:PLRT about how to deal with this in the future. Kind regards, --Hillelfrei^{• talk •} 15:32, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much @Hillelfrei:. That is so useful! I will study the methodology.

@BFP1: A link containing "unpublished-manuscript-by-ls" is a red flag that this is not a reliable source. Yumpu.com sounds like a self-publishing outlet (can't actually see the content without allowing javascript, and I don't have the time/will to investigate whether it's safe or not). —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:41, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: I have read the manuscript (which can now be easily read by readers of the article). It is a very detailed account (37 pages) by a member of the Lebus family (who apologises in a Foreward for his lack of literary style) and contains much information not available in other accounts. I have checked some of this extra information, of which I have personal knowledge, and it is correct. I think it is worth making it available to a wider audience.BFP1 (talk) 17:56, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar

Hi everyone,

I just wondered if you could possibly add a barnstar for giving lots of contributions to old articles, and paying attention to them too. This could help encourage the editing and improvement of old articles as well as new ones.

XUser132 (talk) 11:11, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia, XUser132. Yes, barnstars can be given for all sorts of reasons. They're just an informal and friendly way of saying 'thank you', and way of showing someone that you've noticed their contributions. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:54, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, XUser132: I think you are asking for somebody to create a new barnstar - presumably you've looked through all the ones in barnstars and decided none of them are quite what you're looking for. One answer is that you can just go ahead and create one. Alternatively, you could bring it up on WT:barnstars. --ColinFine (talk) 13:15, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

oops - sorry if I misunderstood the initial question. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:40, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@XUser132: A number of the general barnstars are adaptable to a variety of specific circumstances. One can just explain in the "message" field what one finds valuable in the user's contributions. Deor (talk) 16:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Early discharge of a soldier during WWII

I know someone who had served in the US Army during WWII from October of 1942 until November of 1944. He was discharged from Fort Dix in November of 1944. Now, this seems odd to me. Why would someone be discharged from the US Army with so much of the war yet to be fought. He did not have any injury. In fact, I don't think that he was even in any frontline duty. Most of his time I believe was within the United States. I thought that all WWII enlistments or draftees were extended for the duration of the war. Why would someone get out in November of 1944. 13:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)66.211.253.226 (talk)

Hello IP editor. I'm afraid we cannot assist you. This forum is here solely to give help and advice to people on how to edit Wikipedia content. This sounds more like a Google search, or maybe a general query to ask the folks over at our REFDESK. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

To the IP, yes, please re-ask at the Reference Desks. I can think of at least one good reason why this might have occurred, but in deference to the protocols I won't give it here. {The poster formrely known as 87.81.230.195} 2.122.178.214 (talk) 06:43, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

can we change default style of talk page ?

i could not find info on Help:Talk_pages. at present we can change style of signature, is there anything similar way to change style or layout of user talk pages ? Leela52452 (talk) 14:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC) any OTHER suggestion or critique is preferred here

leela52452: Hi, welcome to the Teahouse. I believe you want to change your signature? If so here is a nice tutorial:Wikipedia:Signature tutorial. {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 14:22, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Wylie39: i want to change or atleast try something new layout style for talk page. default signature style is good enough and i dont want to add few extra bits or bytes everytime i use signature. Leela52452 (talk) 14:31, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

As far as I know, they're all pretty close to the same, but you can definitely make some changes to how it looks. See User talk:Iridescent, for example. Useight (talk) 14:37, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

leela52452:Here is another example: User talk:Doc James

@Leela52452: you might also get some inspiration by browsing through various pages at Wikipedia:User page design center. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:39, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Leela52452: But, as regards signature style, please don't place anything else after the ~~~~ (as you did above and elsewhere). The timestamp it creates should be the last thing in your post. There's no reason to provide a link to your meta talk page on enwiki – discussions about enwiki should remain here. Thanks. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: thank you for bringing to my attention, i will no longer update anything after timestamp Leela52452 (talk) 16:58, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I would like to add a youtube link

I would like to add a youtube link to my father's page of a video that I created for my father. I insert it, but the next day it disappears (someone removes it). Please advise how to add this link to stay permanently. Thank you

Anushd22 (talk) 14:06, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Anushd22 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry, but such a link is likely not appropriate for Wikipedia, per the external link policy. Wikipedia is also not a place to memorialize loved ones(directly or indirectly). 331dot (talk) 14:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Although you did not create Nader Jahanbani, you have been editing it since 2015. As 331dot informed you, external links embedded in the article are against policy, and also, Youtube is not considered a reliable reference source. Additionally, if you are in fact his son, you have what Wikipedia considers a conflict of interest (meaning no more than the fact that you have a personal connection), and that should be declared on your User page. David notMD (talk) 16:01, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Help for the publication of Panos Zeritis biography

Hello, I am writing a biography of Draft:Panos Zeritis. It is the second time that the article has been rejected. After the first rejection, I tried to find every source and add every reference to him that can be included. If anyone could help me, I would appreciate it. Thank you.Zggala (talk) 14:19, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Zggala Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, it seems that the subject of your draft does not meet Wikipedia's special definition of notability, as the reviewers have told you. No amount of editing can overcome this. The sources need to be independent reliable sources that have chosen to give him significant coverage. 331dot (talk) 14:29, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

331dot Hello, thank you for your reply! The sources are reliable and independent. Most of the references are from newspapers.Zggala (talk) 14:41, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

To establish that the subject is notable, you'll need several reliable independent sources with in-depth discussion of the subject. I've checked the first four English-language sources, and found none that qualify (and none from a newspaper). Ref. 2 is to a Wikipedia article, and therefore cannot count as a reliable source (to avoid circularity). Ref. 3 is to a page that's "under construction", and has no content. Ref. 4 has no mention of the subject, let alone in-depth discussion. Ref. 6 is currently giving a "site unavailable" message. Maproom (talk) 15:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Zggala: While you did a good job on the amount of sources you included in your draft, these are not included in Wikipedia's definition of reliable sources. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia which only includes notable topics, and the way we define notability is significant coverage in reliable sources only. For example, you referenced other language's Wikipedia pages which doesn't count as a reference. The kind of coverage you would want to look for would be for example what you find in a Google News search on real websites, not blogs. I did a quick search for you and only one article came up. As 331dot said, no amount of editing can overcome this so further attempts at creating the article will only frustrate editors, and I suggest leaving it for now. Feel free to contribute to other articles though. --Hillelfrei^{• talk •} 15:20, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Sourcing biographical info

Hi there, I've written an article (Draft:Ron Britton), which was rejected first time. The editor said that I needed to source all the biographical information, but looking at lots of other Wikipedia articles, most of them don't have any sources for details like date and place of birth, schooling etc. I don't understand why I need to do this when lots of others don't (as just one example, on a similar subject: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Fonagy). Could you advise me on this? Thanks in advance.Fatbookreader (talk) 15:21, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Fatbookreader: Your article needs to follow the rules. Other articles in Wikipedia may break the rules because no one has noticed them yet. See Wikipedia:Verifiability for more information about the relevant policies. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 15:58, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Access Reading list and history on desktop

Hi,

I wanted to know how to access the Reading lists and history on the desktop Wikipedia page. I know this seems like a really basic question, but I can't find them. Thank you for your answer : D

TheFibonacciEffect (talk) 15:30, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

TheFibonacciEffect, this feature only exists on the app, and can't be accessed via desktop. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 16:06, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@TheFibonacciEffect: An article's history can be viewed by pressing "view history" on the top right, if that's what your asking by history. -Hillelfrei^{• talk •} 16:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Continuous Article Decline Inquiry

Hello Teahouse, thank you all for you helping hand in the past. I have drafted an article about an African-American Activist, which has been declined twice, meaning there is something I do not know of, I admit my ignorance and require clarity. Firstly, on notability the person in question @ Draft: Aaron D. Lewis he are a few things:

• He ran for Mayor of Hartford, CT in the elections last year, was a Democrat but change affiliation to Libertarian before the election, and if my memory is perfect, he was a leader of Obama's campaign in Connecticut back in 2008.
• He was awarded the Shirley Chisholm Community Leadership Award by the Manchester Community College for his humanitarianism, which included an incident well covered by the oldest continuous newspaper publication in the US - the Hartford Courant (I presume this to be a reliable source, correct me if I am wrong), the incident was about an educational official who was involved in a sexting incident, Lewis contacted the police about the issue, and on the request of the mother, pursued the case for activism, and both the Hartford Courant and Eyewitness News described him as a "Child Advocacy Leader in Hartford" - in their own words.
• He organizes the Martin Luther King Jr. Award for Literacy and Learning which is a fundraiser for children of color in Hartford.
• He is an inaugural recipient of the 100 Men of Color Award in CT
• He has been featured as panel by Hazard Gazette, his picture is featured on there as well.
• He is a publisher with books on Amazon and Google among others.
• He is involved in many mission outreaches to third world countries and was described by Winnie Mandela as a man with a divine call to blacks on his visit to SA in 2010 (which I didn't bother including in the article since citation was self-published).

I can go on and on, but i do not wish to sound like a..... I am really wondering what else is required for notability having read the notability policies over and over again, I sternly opine that this article is ready for mainspace, but again I admit I may be wrong. Anyway can another editor take a look at the article again and offer explanatory comments.TheEpistle (talk) 15:40, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

The draft has been declined twice, each time with reasons, plus comments (below the declines). I agree with the comment that running for mayor does not contribute to notability, nor his changing his political party, and the entire Humanitarianism section should be deleted. The tone is not neutral - if feels more like part of his mayoral campaign. I suggest not submitting again unless he wins the election. David notMD (talk) 16:08, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you David notMD (talk) but I really think that this article Draft: Aaron D. Lewis meets notability guidelines. I also agree that indeed running for mayor does not contribute to notability but other listed factors can and have. I have deleted the Humanitarian section cos this is not a campaign. And any reviewer is free to delete sections further, you may delete sections but i don't think this deserves a decline, since this user is a notability. A honest opinion. Thank you. TheEpistle (talk) 16:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

TheEpistle: if you believe that he is notable, by Wikipedia's standards, it should be on the basis of some reliable published independent sources with significant discussion of him (and not because of anything in you bulletted list above). Four should be enough. Can you list four such sources? Maproom (talk) 17:22, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Because you asked, I cut everything I believe did not contribute to notability or did not belong in the article. For example, since he lost the 2019 election, no need to provide his explanations for why he was running. David notMD (talk) 17:34, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much Maproom (talk), I will do that.

• One: https://www.manchestercc.edu/mcc-presents-african-american-history-month-leadership-awards/
• Two: https://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/hartford-mayor-speaks-after-resignation-of-school-administrator/1974574/
• Three: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2005/03/african-american-pentecostalism-can-renew-nation-says-emorys-robert-franklin/
• Four: https://www.courant.com/community/hartford/hc-pol-hartford-mayors-race-aaron-lewis-party-20190918-oh47pm6ucragvgabz4r6zkj4s4-story.html
• Five: https://www.lp.org/hartford-mayoral-candidate-aaron-lewis-changes-party-affiliation-from-democrat-to-libertarian/
• Six: https://eleven28.tumblr.com/100MenOfColor

Thank you.TheEpistle (talk) 18:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you @ Maproom (talk), I am having trouble with linking, I linked directly but it's not publishing

Thank you @ David notMD (talk), I really appreciated your edits, since you have helped out, may the article be reviewed again now? I have added the "citation needed", thank you. TheEpistle (talk) 18:10, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I am not a reviewer. P.S. Use an asterisk instead of a dash to create separate lines. I did that to the above. David notMD (talk) 18:38, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

The wrong person, disambiguation and interlanguage links

We have an article on Guillaume Bonnet, a 14th-century bishop. It has quite a few incoming links. A look on .fr shows there are a number of different fr:Guillaume Bonnets including a rugby league player, a cyclist and a sculptor. There are also a tennis player and a badminton player who don't even have French articles. I suspect that many of the people arriving at our article either directly or by following a link are looking for one of the others rather than the bishop. Ideally, we would have an article for any of these that are notable but, in the meantime, would it be good to have a disambiguation page with a link to the bishop and interlanguage links the various .fr pages? More generally, I don't see a lot of interlanguage links but I did notice an editor adding a number to The Last Kingdom (TV series) today. Is there a policy or guideline on where they are appropriate?Cavrdg (talk) 16:07, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Cavrdg, if we have only one article under that name we have nothing to disambiguate. It's up to the French Wikipedia to disambiguate their articles. We never disambiguate subjects that we don't have articles about. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:43, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Cavrdg in addition, if you find an article that can be significantly expanded by using an article in a different language, you can use a relevant template to announce that. --Hillelfrei^{• talk •} 18:10, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Cavrdg: I see what you mean. The first thing to do is to decide which of the incoming links are in fact relevant, and then either unlink the others (that is, remove the square brackets from the name) or change the wikilinks to plausible alternative titles (such as Guillaume Bonnet (rugby league)). It's fortunate that fr.wiki has disambiguated the names – it makes it easier to differentiate between them. I suspect that the rugby league player, at least, is definitely notable but I know too little about the topic to know which sources would be appropriate to use, or how to write the article. A sourced stub might be a lot better than nothing, in this case... --bonadea contributions talk 18:39, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the replies. It seems many of the links are coming from Template:France 2017 Rugby League World Cup squad. Would changing the link there to Guillaume Bonnet (rugby league) be better than giving readers the option of going to the fr page? Cavrdg (talk) 18:46, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I jumped the gun and changed the link in the template to point to Guillaume Bonnet (rugby league). I am not sure what the policies/guidelines are about interlanguage links outside the sidebar, but I think it is a better idea to have the redlink when it is an article that could very plausibly be created. Feel free to revert me! There is certainly a case to be made for the usefulness of having a link lead to an actual article, even if it is in a different language, too. --bonadea contributions talk 18:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

No, that seems good. I've done the badminton player too. Cavrdg (talk) 19:17, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

HOW ADD RESOURCES ?

117.198.162.169 (talk) 16:26, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP. If you mean contributing to Wikipedia, see WP:CONTRIBUTE. If you mean resources as in references, see WP:REFBEGIN or WP:EASYREFBEGIN. If you have a more specific question or wish to clarify this question, feel free. Good luck, Hillelfrei^{• talk •} 16:41, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

117.198.162.169 Welcome to the Teahouse. I am not sure if I understand what you are asking. Do you mean how do you edit? {{u|wylie39}} {Talk} 16:45, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.

I don't understand why the page I've tried to create is being rejected. The rejection seems to say that it is a promotional page as opposed to a "informational page" and I disagree. I have looked at other pages that are similar to the one I'm trying to create. I've used references from the news tab of google and did not use any that came from press releases only articles written by 3rd parties for a reputable source, such as Daily News NewspaperTWAH64 (talk) 16:28, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@TWAH64: I agree with the rejection of Draft:Dale Okorodudu. The articles do not provide significant coverage about the subject of this article. They're primarily about other topics to which he is connected. The closest is [3], about his book, but it's just from the website of a local radio station. And this Forbes piece is written by a "contributor" -- i.e. it's a junky piece with basically no editorial review. He may qualify for a Wikipedia article later, but he does not today (at least based on the sources presently in the article). Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

How to find Knight Rider userbox to add to user page?

I want a userbox that shows that I watch Knight Rider. If such a userbox exists (if it doesn’t that’s fine), could you give me a link to it? Thanks,Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 18:30, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Total Eclipse 2017: Don't see one, you can double check here or create one yourself. --Hillelfrei^{• talk •} 18:41, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Hillelfrei: I tried something: I went to Wikipedia:Userboxes, used its search to search “Knight Rider”, and I found one. Which is good, because I would have no clue how to create one... Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 18:49, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Indenting a paragraph

Article: St. Paul's Anglican Church, Vancouver

Can I indent a paragraph? I want to make clear that the paragraph is a quotationElljaybee1929 (talk) 19:58, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Elljaybee1929, short answer, not manually. Indenting as such can screw up the layout of the article. If you want to set it aside as a blockquote, use {{Quote}}. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:14, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Emask

A Nigerian musician a viddoe editor and tiktok creator frrrrrf 20:48, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Farouk fy. What is your question, and how can we help you? I can at least advise you that you have created a draft article on your userpage, which is not the right thing to do. Are you this person, trying to promote yourself? If you are trying to create a draft article, please do it at this article-creation page. Or move it all over into your sandbox where I see you ahve already got one version of the text about emask. I'm afraid if you leave it where it is it will be soon deleted by an administrator. That page is for you just to say a little bit about yourself in terms of your interest in editing Wikipedia - or to declare a connection with the person you are writing about. (See Wikipedia:User pages if you want to know what is and is not allowed there. Please let us know what it is you trying to do, and what help you seek. Nothing in the article you have written so far leads me to feel the person is in any notable enough to have an article about them on Wikipedia. Not one of the references you've put in actually mentions this person at all. If independent sources haven't written about this person, then there's no chance for an article about them to remain on Wikipedia - sorry. See WP:NMUSIC for more information on our 'notability criteria' for musicians.  Nick Moyes (talk) 21:11, 23 April 2020 (UTC)  

References

Linking to a specific section

Hey there. How does one link to a specific section within an article rather than linking to the entire article. For instance, when referring to the nightclub "Studio 54" how does one link here: Studio 54 within an article; rather than just Studio 54 which is the building in general. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 20:51, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Maineartists: You could link to it like this. Simply put a hash symbol after the title, followed by the section name (and pray nobody changes the section name later!). The actual source code needed to create the link I just used will look like this: [[Studio_54#Nightclub_era|like this]]. Does that help? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Awesome! THANKS! Maineartists (talk) 21:10, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Opposing a merger suggestion

Hi,

I wanted to see what next steps are while waiting for a decision on a discussion. It has been suggested the article I proposed be merged with a parent page [[4]]. I can make edits to the current talk page; however, I'm concerned that if I submit without a decision being made I run the risk of the article being deleted.

Thank you so much for your time and insight. 

--Sunvidal (talk) 20:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)sunvidalSunvidal (talk) 20:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Sunvidal, your link has a bad character. While I can access the page, I do not know where exactly in the article you intended to bring readers to. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

How can I submit a draft for review?

Hello everyone! I've just created a draft named Draft:Alessio Cocchi about an Italian photographer, I clicked on the button "Publish changes" but I can't seem to find the "submit for review" button. Can you please help me? Thanks a lot!Cinnich (talk) 20:58, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Cinnich, I've added the template to the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Tenryuu Thank you very much! Just submitted the article, fingers crossed!

Customized signatures

I’ve seen a lot of people’s comments on talk pages, and most of them have signatures that look really cool. How can I make mine look cool with colors and stuff? -- Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 21:03, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Total Eclipse 2017, You have to go to Special:Preferences and navigate down to the Signature section. Make sure "Treat the above as wiki markup" is . From there you can use wikitext to customise your signature as you like, like something I did right here. → —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:06, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: How do you change its colors? I don’t know how to do that in wiki text. -- Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) 21:08, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I did use what I knew about piped links to create this, though. New sig: -- Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) (origin of the username) 21:12, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

I think I figured out how to change color using an HTML command. I had to look at other people’s signature coding to figure it out, but I did... Total Eclipse 2017 (talk) (Origin of the username) 21:39, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

@Total Eclipse 2017: WP:CUSTOMSIG discusses issues related to custom sigs. Keep in mind that everyone has to see and read your signature on all your discussion page postings. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 00:06, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Censored Battle of Chalgrove Field

John Hampdens Regiment (talk) 21:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, John Hampdens Regiment. What is your question? What editing help are you seeking? I presume it relates in some way to John Hampden? Nick Moyes (talk) 21:23, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

How Fast Does Ink run out of pens?

How Fast Does Ink run out of pens?Wasimvorvoi (talk) 21:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Wasimvorvoi Hello. This is a place to ask questions about using Wikipedia; it is not a general question asking forum. You could try the Reference Desk. 331dot (talk) 22:06, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

What articles to edit for beginners

What articles should I try to edit as a beginner to Wikipedia? How do I get started edit content on Wikipedia?

ThanksMattchoochoo33 (talk) 22:08, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Mattchoochoo33, welcome to the Teahouse. If you're looking for articles that need maintenance, you should try going over to the Wikipedia:Community portal; they have articles under "Help out" that would benefit from being edited. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:13, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank-you I will try that Mattchoochoo33 (talk) 22:16, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedia Family

I would like to thank all who are trying to help me in creating an Article specially ( Andrzej Kamil Rybicki ) who has been mailing me and guiding me, I am totally new to Wikipedia, I am trying not to make mistakes but one way or the other I am making mistakes, if any one can please guide me after reading my Article and can point out the mistake so that I can fix them or any one who can do that. I will be great full.Shahkarshah (talk) 22:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Shahkarshah. Welcome to the Teahouse. Actually, you are not totally new to Wikipedia are you? That's really rather misleading. As an administrator here, I can see all the deleted pages and edits you made about yourself back in 2016. But today, and assuming 'good faith', there are five glaringly obvious problems right now.

• First off, I don't see any references to support anything you have written about yourself at User:Shahkarshah/sandbox. Wikipedia articles must be based upon content already published in reliable, independent sources - not from your personal memory.
• Secondly, just two or three images are sufficient on a page. There are far, far, far, far too many pictures there; this is an encyclopaedia, not LinkedIn - see WP:NOTWEBHOST.
• Thirdly, there's a terrible use of random capital letters in various nouns within sentences; you might wish to sort that out, though it's a minor point.
• Fourthly, and most importantly, you tried to write about yourself back in 2016, and the page was deleted for failing to meet our 'notability criteria' (see WP:NBIO). I often tell people that "less is more", so cut back all the waffle that is irrelevant, and show us clearly why you genuinely meet our notability criteria. Use reliable sources to do that, please. The rest is irrelevant if you can't show that you reach that bar.
• And finally, you have a clear and obvious Conflict of Interest in wanting to promote yourself here. You MUST declare that COI - so please read the link I've just given you to show what you must do. In essence, use your userpage to explain who you are and who you are wanting to write about. See WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for some reasons why this is a bad idea, and one I advise you not to try to do.

Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Ooh - and a final point: I've just looked again. I now see lots of inline external links, but no reference section. See my guide at WP:EASYREFBEGIN to help you add inline citations properly. And why not remove all the irrelevant wikilinks? There are so many of them, and so poorly linked, that most go to 'disambiguation' pages, demonstrating that the links are not the right ones to use. Again, less is more. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:07, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

How do you create a Page notice?

When I say page notice I mean, like the "welcome to the TeaHouse editing window!" and then more stuff. How can I do this on my talk page? Thanks.

Shadowblade08 (talk) 00:16, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Hi Shadowblade08. It's made at User talk:Shadowblade08/Editnotice. It will automatically be displayed when it exists. Many users use {{Editnotice}} but it's not required. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:04, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Can I help?

I am having a hard time trying to find articles that I can edit...

Is one of you out there able to post on my talk page some articles for me to see if I can edit? Thanks, cause I don't want to spend the time looking for articles, when I could be editing them. Thanks!Shadowblade08 (talk) 00:32, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Shadowblade08: Please tell us what subjects you are interested in, or the type of editing you fancy doing. We are not mind readers. We have 6 million articles here; help us to help you! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:52, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Shadowblade08: I suggest that you look at Wikipedia:Community portal. It offers links to some articles that need improvement. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:55, 24 April 2020 (UTC) (

Thanks, (I'm talking to Nick Moyes) um, something I like writing about is biking, and the musical instruments piano, and ukulele. (is that not broad enough?) and I like doing tweaking more than writing concrete bases for articles. I hope that helps, but if it doesn't, I can give you more info. Cheerio,

Shadowblade08 (talk) 00:59, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

And now i'm talking to Eddie Blick, OK, that will work. I'll try it out.

Shadowblade08 (talk) 01:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Shadowblade08: For general ideas for contributing, please visit Wikipedia:Community portal. But for specific topics, your best bet is to browse through articles listed in 'Categories' that you are interested in. You will encounter some articles with obvious notices at the top of their pages - these need action! So, just a few suggestions,: try Category:Ukuleles; Category:Piano; Category:Musical instruments. You can find article categories right at the very bottom of any article page. But we also have specific 'WikiProjects' which are groups of editors interested in improving certain themed topics, like Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Instruments. Most, but not all such projects, maintain table of articles, tabulating them by quality and importance. (example). I would go to the row of really short 'stub' articles, then click the number shown and view the articles now listed. Some my well be in need of urgent help. Hope this helps a bit, Nick Moyes (talk) 01:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

OK, Nick Moyes, thanks so much, your really helpful. I can't wait to check those out, and dig in!

Shadowblade08 (talk) 02:30, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Shadowblade08: I haven't used it, but check out User:SuggestBot. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

How to publish your article officially

frrrrrf 01:14, 24 April 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farouk fy (talk • contribs)

Right now you have a draft of an article on your User page and on your Sandbox. Delete the content from your User page. Next step is for an editor to convert your Sandbox to a draft and put a 'Submit' button on it. When you are ready, submit. Once submitted it will go to Articles for Creation and wait for a reviewer to either approve or Decline. The wait can be days to months. Declines can be worked on and resubmitted. Gook luck to you. David notMD (talk) 01:56, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Subtitle

How can I add a subtitle (or a subname) to an article?

Hello,

Is it possible to add subtitles on Wikipedia pages? I'd like to include the standardized common names of species as subtitles on their Wikipedia pages.

Thanks in advance,Megan McAulay (talk) 02:49, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Megan McAuley: No, subtitles are not possible. See MOS:LIFE for guidance about dealing with organism names and article titles, then check back in here if you have any more questions. Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:17, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Please help me to publish an article on 'mahapurushartha yagam' a indian spiritual programme.

Menon1717 (talk) 03:18, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

@Menon1717: unfortunately, this subject does not appear to qualify for an article on Wikipedia. See WP:N. If after reading that linked page, you still believe that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia page, please reply with the reason why, providing the very best available sources that discuss that topic. Thanks, Calliopejen1 (talk) 05:13, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

This seems perfectly fine to have a Wikipedia Article on, it is a Hindu Tradition and although it doesn't seem to very well it does seem to be especially well known ritual, simply because something is obscure doesn't disqualify something for being an article. Lets say there is some obscure animal found in the wild which few people know about, for the sake of argument let's say only 10 people know about this obscure species? Should that animal be denied an Article because of Obscurity? This tradition appears to be thousands of Years old and one of Millions of Hindu traditions as well as Millions of Hindu gods. Obviously there is a need for articles to have a certain level of notoriety to them, my short lived Folk Punk band obviously does not hold any spot on Wikipedia and also shouldn't, however there are so many obscure species and wild-life and scientific techniques which are far less known then mahapurushartha yagam yet they still are important, as an example: Eubranchus cucullus a Type of Sea Slug has far less results then mahapurushartha yagam when accounting for Hindi and English Results, however are you to argue that this entire not just species of this Sea Slug should be denied representation because obscurity? Moreover should a Cultural practice that is thousands years old be denied simply because it not well known? The answer is obvious, of course not because both although obscure are undeniably important, even if Humans don't know it Eubranchus cucullus plays a vital role in its Eco-system and perhaps people will see this fairly common Sea Slug in the Caribbean and wonder what it is, maybe someone visiting India will see this practice in a obscure village, and wonder what it is. The point of there not being an Article on my horrible Folk Punk band called See onto, is that nobody will ever have a need to look at it, nobody will ever need to think about it, unless I am in a direct conversation with someone and I bring it up no one will ever know about it, it has no *importance* on anything, Obscure practices, places, religions, traditions, are all extremely important. Vallee01 (talk) 06:12, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Edit warring

Hi there fellow Wikipedians,

I have noticed the start of an edit war on the page Kowloon, and I have informed that they may be blocked if they carry on participating, although I'm not sure if I should just revert the edits they all made, and leave it how it was, or if I should just leave it 100%, and the warning is enough.

EGL1234 (talk) 04:02, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Free access tag making refs not recognized as cite:news by Visual Editor

Adding free access tags is required of refs from newspapers.com and newspaperarchive.com. After doing so, these refs are no longer recognized as news citations when editing them in Visual Editor. For example, try editing both refs in Visual Editor, the second having the free access tag included. This problem has not existed in the past and it certainly does not encourage citing or using proper style. Is Wikipedia aware of the glitch and is a real solution available? Thanks — 05:26, 24 April 2020 (UTC)βox73 (৳alk)

References

Personal help

Hey! I’ve been a fairly active editor for the past year, but lately have felt emotionally drained editing and have felt like I’ve come across poorly to fellow Wikipedians. Is there any sort of “support group” or community discussion areas where one can converse positively? I was running through this page and saw how kind all the responses have been despite the confusing and occasionally trying questions. It gave me hope after a bit of feeling pretty down about my involvement for a while and want to be more substantive. If this isn’t the page to ask these questions, I apologize; I’m still getting the hang of the “back-end” pages. Thanks! ~ 05:36, 24 April 2020 (UTC)Pbritti (talk)

@Pbritti: I'm sorry to hear you feel that you're burning out. Wikipedia focuses intensely on improving and creating good articles, so there aren't official spaces (that I'm aware of) where support groups are held. Have you thought about taking a WP:BREAK? Please put your emotional health before editing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:22, 24 April 2020 (UTC)