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Cracking The Code To Infinite Knowledge Bruit Force For A.I

What are the rules about giving every combination out for to a TV screen my original screen size was 10x10 biased on black or white pixels. the mathematical formula for the combinations is 10 to the tenth power x 10 to the tenth power of combination for such a small screen biased on black or white pixels. The answer is 1E20 of combinations for that screen possibility's. I wanted to give out the equation for A.I to Look at. I thought it would be cool if I could give out every combination to a large TV screen like 1000000 x 1000000 for A.I to play with every image, and have access to everything that can be seen, and I would like A.I to have to study everything. I understand most is garbled images, but some are true images with information. I am a computer animator, I don't think I should not under any patent laws if the image was random, I'm not sure. I do plan on animation of this equation in Blender, to show everyone, but I will show a super small screen of 4x4 for a total combinations of 64 combinations biased on black or white pixels, to show the idea. I am basically bruit forcing every combination. Thank You for your time reading Harold Burgess Jr Harold Burgess Jr God Of Good Living Things (talk) 16:42, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Harold Burgess Jr God Of Good Living Things. I really don't know what you're on about, nor do I care that much, I'm afraid. But this is an encyclopaedia of Notable Things, and not a place to advocate your own ideas, theories or religions. To that effect, I have marked your sandbox for speedy deletion as it has nothing to do with this encyclopaedia. Please either be prepared to contribute to one of the existing 6,000,000 articles of notable topics, or find an alternative idea to promote your, no-doubt, worthy philosophy on life. I apologise if this sounds rude. That was not my intent, but there is no place here for promoting original thought, philosophies or beliefs. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:51, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse Harold Burgess Jr God Of Good Living Things. I'm a computer scientist who specializes in AI so I think I have some idea what you are asking but as Nick Moyes said this isn't the place to ask those kinds of questions. This forum is for questions about editing Wikipedia articles not for general discussion. If you want to have these kinds of discussions I suggest you try Facebook or Reddit. They have various forums for philosophical discussions that also relate to computer science issues. Also, the Reference Desk is a place to ask specific questions but your question as it currently is stated is so vague it really isn't appropriate for that forum either. BTW, to the extent I understood what you are asking I think you may not be appreciating the combinatorics of the problem you describe. There are many problems in computer science where in theory an optimal solution is possible but in reality to search every option is even theoretically impossible because you end up getting numbers that exceed the total number of atoms in the universe. The "perfect game of chess" is such an example. There is such a game and it could theoretically be discovered by brute force, by evaluating every possible game of chess since the number is finite. But that is an example where the number exceeds the total number of atoms in the universe so there is no way any computer could actually evaluate them all. I think the same thing is true with every possible pixel combination on a screen. And when you talk about "letting AI loose" that isn't the way AI works. There are algorithms and heuristics that are very powerful but you never get good results by just tossing a bunch of data at an algorithm. You have to design a specific algorithm for a given problem. --MadScientistX11 (talk) 03:53, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

The OP doesn't even propose tossing a bunch of data at it. His proposal is to toss a huge bunch of noise at it. Maproom (talk) 17:18, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Article flagged for deletion. Where to start?

{{subst:trim|1= Hello, new here, looking for guidance...My BLP article is being considered fo deletion. Onganymede (talk) 22:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)Can someone direct me to addressing this? Via what venue? Addressed to whom? Thank you much.Onganymede (talk) 22:35, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy: J. Jaye Gold. You can comment at the Deletion discussion and you can also attempt to address the criticism by improving the article. Clock is ticking. David notMD (talk) 22:41, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Onganymede. You can contribute to the discussion at WP:Articles for deletion/J. Jaye Gold. But given, as the comments say, that it is a promotional piece sourced only to his work, there is little hope of saving it. If you want Wikipedia to have an article about Gold, you should let it be deleted, and start again with a draft, remembering that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, but only in what people wholly unconnected with the subject, and not prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about them in reliable sources. I suggest that you start by reading your first article carefully; and, if you have any connection with Gold yourself, also reading conflict of interest/ --ColinFine (talk) 22:45, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Apologies, how can I reply to either of you who have responded to me here?Onganymede (talk) 22:59, 31 October 2020 (UTC) Onganymede (talk) 22:59, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Hello again Onganymede. I have moved your reply to the correct section: you put it on the end of the page, which meant it was appended to a different question. So that's the answer: edit the specific section of the page. You can ping another user by going {{U|username}}, so I went {{U|Onganymede}}. --ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 31 October 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine for the navigation tip and fixing my placement! I've cut out everything I once held dear [kidding], addressed COI on my talk page, and added new refs. Would you mind taking another quick look and offering direction? Onganymede (talk) 05:06, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Onganymede. Glancing at your new sources, I notice that nine of them are blog posts (which are not "reliable sources") and one is an interview with Gold (which is not independent of him). —teb728 t c 07:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC) BTW the reason you were not able to save links to the Thrive Global blog posts is that the website is on the spam blacklist. —teb728 t c 10:06, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine for looking again. A few questions, if you would... 1] You are saying that Arianna Huffington's publication Thrive Global, which Wikipedia describes as "an American company that provides behavior change technology etc.," is an unacceptable source? Is this accurate? Can this be changed? Can I prove these articles are not spam? 2] Re: the NPR "interview,"I am referencing the interviewer's comments, not Gold's... The interviewer herself is a secondary source, no? She appears to already have known the info about Gold that I am referencing. It was not revealed in/by the interview. Is this incorrect reasoning? I have found several other interviews by people who know him and say things about him. This is all inadmissible? Are you saying my sources must be tertiary? 3] re: FortWorth news link, I don't have the archived link yet. I have seen a xeroxed clipping, but may not be able to get online version. What to do? Delete? 4] Books, unfortunately, it seems to me, are on their way out of our lives. How will one reference secondary sources if not partially via online media...interviews, youtube videos, and so forth? 5] I've spent hours and hours comparing other BLPs... I see that the rules are often stretched. Just came across one with 11 of the 15 reference from subject's web page, and 2 identical from encyclopedia.com. If somebody writes Gold into an online encyclopedia tomorrow, can I use that as a source? You understand my frustration no doubt. Should I take out Bio, or nonprofit, or teaching sections?... just leave books? I appreciate your time and attention. Can/Should I paste to others on the Afd page? Is that a place I can ask about my issues, or just for the administrators/voters? Onganymede (talk) 10:07, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

pinging teb728, whose comments you are responding to. --ColinFine (talk) 12:03, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine Thanks! I see/understand now that the comments were from teb728! Can you address any of my other questions? The interviewer's prior knowledge as ref, the off line news archives, would YOU allow the Thrive articles? Onganymede (talk) 20:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC) teb728 Hi, appreciate the explanation of the Thrive linking problem. The Wiki article about Thrive says all good things..no indication that it is not trustworthy. But Wiki blocks a Thrive article as spam? Seems anomalous, or am I missing some bigger picture? Am I to understand that I must delete any references I found there? Thank you Onganymede (talk) 20:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Wanderword

Draft:Wanderword was submitted seven times in the past two months, and was declined six times, and then I rejected it. Now the author, User:DimZoum, has asked what can be done to reopen the draft. First, I thank the author for asking me politely what to do now. So I will ask other editors what they think that they should do next. My advice is to start over or almost over, and to focus more on what independent third parties have been written about the game vendor, and less about details that are fancruft. A lot of the existing draft reads like advertising, but, since the author says that they are not affiliated with the vendor, I assume it is fancruft. That is my advice, to stub the draft down and start over with third party comments. What does anyone else think? Robert McClenon (talk) 19:21, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Surely if you rejected it you are saying that the topic is not sufficiently notable to have a Wikipedia article, rather than that there are shortcomings in the exiting draft? David Biddulph (talk) 19:47, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: I still suspect the editor (User:DimZoum) has an undeclared WP:COI, so I have invited them on their talk page to clarify this. My advice is to ask the creator of the draft to identify which three of their sources (excluding internal PR/Newswire content) demonstrates clearly that the product meets WP:NSOFT. Without that evidence, the draft has little hope of progressing to a mainspace article, and I am struggling to see how that will happen at this point in time. Perhaps it is simply, WP:TOOSOON. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:08, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I will try to explain to User:David Biddulph. As submitted the first seven times, the draft does not show any evidence of establishing corporate notability, because it does not say anything about what third parties have written about the company. This does not mean that there is no such evidence, and does not mean that notability will never be established. However, after seven resubmissions, I saw no reason to keep on trying to explain to the author what we wanted. I had the choice of continuing the cycle of resubmissions, or of nominating the draft for deletion, which I would have done before there was Rejection, or of Rejecting the draft. Once in a great while, Rejection may, in my view, be what is needed to focus an author's attention on what needs to be said. So now we have the author's attention, finally. I see that User:Nick Moyes is trying to discuss. Thank you to both of you. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:25, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi all! As i have already mentioned in the past, i don't work for this company, i just tried to write an article because i found its games interesting. The thing is, that i have used every source that i have found online. The only reviews of the games are from customers in Amazon, which i suppose it's not a reliable source, that's why i deleted it. There are no reviews from gaming sites, magazines and things like that, ipso facto i can't add independent sources! I mean, it's a fact, can't do something about this. What i did, was to focus more in things that have independent sources, which i added, like the smart speaker technology which Wanderword's games are using. In conclusion, i believe that i have used independent sources, like research articles about the rise of audio entertainment, and where i haven't, it's because they do not exist. If you decide to publish my article and independent sources appear, i will be here to add them, because i believe in the continuous improvement of a Wikipedia article. I feel like i just had a court trial. :P DimZoum (talk) 06:45, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, DimZoum, you feel the processes we have here are too rigorous. (Some people feel the reverse) But I think you've put your finger on it: there aren't any good enough or independent enough reviews of this company to merit an article here, so there's no point continuing trying as you'd simply be wasting your own time and that of our volunteers. When and if better sources appear, that would be the time to try again, but not until then, I'm afraid. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:18, 2 November 2020 (UTC)  

I know Nick Moyes, but i had to try. If it's possible, then, don't delete my draft please, in case better sources appear in the future. I will keep an eye on it and inform someone of you if something changes! Thanks again and may the force be with you! DimZoum (talk) 10:37, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

User:DimZoum - Your draft has not been nominated for deletion and will not be deleted for six months. If you edit the draft every three or four months, it can be kept as long as it does not have a six-month period of inactivity. However, it is not suitable for submission without independent sources, and has been rejected. (If you resubmit it, then it is likely to be nominated for deletion.) Robert McClenon (talk) 09:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Robert McClenon I understand, thanks again!— Preceding unsigned comment added by DimZoum (talk • contribs) 16:16, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@DimZoum: I have tried to find sources about the company itself (rather than its products) and although there's a number of search hits, nothing comes up that shows that they meet this notability guideline. Several press releases in connection with them starting up in Boden, and from when they got a new CEO, several mentions of them in articles discussing the gaming industry in general and the concentration of game developers in Boden in particular... but nothing that is specifically about them and independent. And that's the kind of sources that are necessary. (Sources do not have to be in English, though English-language sources are preferred.) --bonadea contributions talk 16:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

HELP with edits

I am trying to get edit updates but every time i try a certain edior seems to keep making things harder for me. I am new at this and have a conflict of interest and need edits bio added and citations i have sources can anyone please hilp i have met the wikipidia guidlines as payed editor i am only requesting help for edits on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicole_Couch see talk page I think i an requesting correctly there was nio maintenance box and as i try to request updates i get one as soon as i comply then he adds different boxes. can someone please help me i am trying to do in good faith and by wikipedia guidelines i am new at this and due to conflict of interest i can only request now this editor is saying the article will be deleted if not sourced please help Philip H Taylor (talk) 20:28, 1 November 2020 (UTC) Philip H Taylor (talk) 20:28, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

You have now put your Paid relationship to Nicole Couch (and others) on your User page. David notMD (talk) 20:53, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes I was instructed to add to my talk page to meet wikipedia guidlines and have requested edits on the artists talk page as instructed to Philip H Taylor (talk) 20:55, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Then you have done the correct thing (versus doing any direct edits to the article (which is why those were reversed)). The next step in the process is for a not-connected editor to look at your proposed changes and either implement, or not. Nothing for you to do but wait. David notMD (talk) 20:59, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. some sources are in forign language and it wont let me share the translated link. this article i did not create it is years old. I was only needing it updated they will not delete the article? Philip H Taylor (talk) 21:06, 1 November 2020 (UTC) David notMD (talk) they deleted the article Philip H Taylor (talk) 05:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

The article has not been nominated for deletion. If that happens (unlikely), a new tag will be added to the article, directing interested parties to the deletion nomination. If you add the article to your Watch list you will see the article as having a new edit from the last time you logged in. David notMD (talk) 22:04, 1 November 2020 (UTC)

@Philip H Taylor: I'm sorry to be blunt with you. But if you are being paid to edit Wikipedia on someone's behalf, you need to already have become competent in editing and understanding how Wikipedia works. We are not here to help you earn money -unlike you, we are all volunteers. So, if, as you say, you "are new to this", I would politely suggest you go away and learn how we work before seeking help and support from this forum. A good start for you would be WP:TWA and WP:YFA. I have redirected the page to Phantom Blue. Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:41, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes (talk) i am not and have never been paid to do edits I was doing as a favor the page was created years ago I was told to add paid edits as I am her manager I DO NOT GET PAID please un delete her article Philip H Taylor (talk) 05:50, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

By your words, you are her manager. Thus, you editing her article can be considered you editing as part of your job, meaning you must still disclose. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 06:19, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

ALL we wanted originally was her pic added. no worries delete my account I have screen shot EVERYTHING and ALL comments I will be turning this matter over to my lawfirm. See wikipedia in vcourt if this article is not un deleted. we will also have our Law firm go through every artist and label and have the courts have wikipedia speedy delete ebery article that is not up to your so call standard see you in court now delete or /and block this user account as I have copied and printed everything for our lawyers. I do not care if we lose I will drag this out until your broke. Good day idiot Philip H Taylor (talk) 06:34, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Please read WP:NLT. I suggest that you immediately retract that legal threat before you are blocked. Meters (talk) 07:02, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Blocked by CaptainEek per ANI report. JavaHurricane 07:20, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

That did not go well. David notMD (talk) 11:27, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

It's funny how people claiming to have teams of lawyers on call and so on are usually illiterate. EEng 11:54, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Uncalled for, and you should retract. David notMD (talk) 12:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I retract.

You're right. I should have said semiliterates. EEng 17:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Any good-faith editor has the privilege of going through our six million articles and requesting that any of them that do not satisfy our policies and guidelines be deleted. An editor who makes legal threats is not an editor in good standing while they are blocked. Also, our policies and guidelines provide criteria for when when articles should be deleted, and our policies and guidelines also provide procedures for trying to work with editors who do not agree with us about what needs to be deleted. One of the responsibilities of a New Page reviewer is to decide what should be considered for deletion how,and I recall occasional discussions at WP:ANI about deletion. But this editor is not in good standing. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:11, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I've been staring at this stupid mirror gif for an hour now. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 17:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

You are getting sleepy ... SLEEEEPY! EEng 04:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

To change in Wikipedia content

 Ramprakash Diwedi (talk) 09:47, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ramprakash Diwedi. Do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? —teb728 t c 10:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ramprakash Diwedi. Many of your edits have been reverted because you didn't provide sources: see WP:V. Wikipedia is not interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows) because a reader has no easy way to determine whether it is correct. We require [WP:RS|published sources]]. --ColinFine (talk) 16:21, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Also please notice, that copying material from sources and pasting it into Wikipedia, even if the source is Facebook, is considered to be a copyright violation.--Quisqualis (talk) 20:14, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Microsoft "Top Guns of Imaging" event article

Hi, Is Microsoft considered a reliable source? It has been over twenty five years since Microsoft's "Top Guns of Imaging" event which lead to the development of 95/98/2000/XP. Microsoft removed the "Imaging" from XP but kept the information management technologies from "Top Guns of Imaging" integrated into their XP operating system. ( yes I am aware that integration of application software into their operating system software was once-upon-a-time considered an anti-trust violation but not very many actually living witnesses left. ) So, why not ask Microsoft to make 'their' "Top Guns of Imaging" wikipedia article for wikipedians to offer non-Microsoft input of facts? I do not have the means to ask microsoft any questions but maybe some wikipedians have insider connections into Microsoft. I will help with details as I am able. Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 13:28, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Someone who understands Microsoft can answer your question fully (I'm a Nintendo fanboy myself). But to answer your first question: Yes, Microsoft is a reliable source. It's considered a primary source; a citation that's directly involved with what the article is about. While primary sources can be used (such as a game manual, official websites, etc.), Wikipedia strives for the majority of sources to be secondary; unrelated to the article, but are about the topic (eg. news sites and journalists.) So, Microsoft can be used as a source, but needs additional citation from secondary sources for notability. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 13:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia's articles are created from reliable, independent, published sources. An article on a Microsoft product cannot be constructed from material supplied on demand by Microsoft (or by the FSF, or Apple, or any other organization or person). -- Hoary (talk) 13:44, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, As a direct Microsoft crime victim, I can not consider myself to be a reliable source; wikipedians ( or Microsoft attorneys, ha ha) will need to create the Microsft "Top Guns of Imaging" page, however, I certainly can help point out facts. I worked with AmeriData Advance Technologies group and I was "DIRECTLY" involved in the "IMAGING" scam but not voluntarily, of course. Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 14:06, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

My story might focus upon how MyCoreSoft used DoD to conceal a massive information technologies integration in MyCoreSoft Windows. ( I was the unfortunate document management technology contact with DoD at "Top Guns of Imaging" ) Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 14:19, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@Mawcowboybillsbrick7: Wikipedia can't be used as a way to tell a story, and Wikipedia articles can't be based on what an individual editor knows – see also the responses you were given last year. Never having heard of "Top Guns of Imaging" before, I have no idea whether it is a product, a slogan, or something else. Do you have any reliable secondary sources that could indicate that it is a notable thing according to Wikipedia's definition of notability? --bonadea contributions talk 14:29, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Of course, just the facts. "Top Guns of Imaging" --> 'IMAGING' tool not integrated but document management features like document/object properties. Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 14:39, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't interested in any facts that you (or I, or Bonadea, or anyone) happen(s) to know either from personal experience or from email, etc, from unimpeachably reliable acquaintances in the know. If you'd like to use your own knowledge to educate the world about some Microsoft venture, please do so on some other website, perhaps your own blog. -- Hoary (talk) 23:24, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi, I know how you feel, the work wikipedians must endure is all too frequently omitted from WikiPedia's history. "the truth is a summation of all experience and experience is ever changing" I once read (somewhere) on wikipedia that the Roman (anarchy?) required at least 100 (or 110) years be waited before "The Truth" was printed. Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 13:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Just a further thought, Microsoft may not delete (by attorney) a "Top Guns of Imaging" article if wikipedians referred to the event as a 'technologies' show. Maybe just a matter of perspective, but they may insist 'all about imaging' whereas I observed 'information management' (regardless of data type) Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 13:18, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

As I have indicated, I am here to help with Microsoft's "Top Guns of Imaging" show/event which, in the timeline, leads, historically, to some serious cash flow for Microsoft. For starters, maybe, simply mention the event as the origin of product which lead to the inclusion of an "Imaging" tool with 95/98/2000, (95 imaging tool was from Wang, 98/2000 imaging tool was from Kodak, XP explicitly deleted the imaging tool from the users computer ) regards, maw Mawcowboybillsbrick7 (talk) 13:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Guess what? I need advice!

I am working in the Sandbox on an article I wrote and I don't want to publish it yet but I want to save my work...how do I do that? I thought perhaps "publish work" just saved the changes but it wants to warn me that I no longer own the article. Off to look at all my notes but would love a quick response if someone can save me the anxiety of a computer crash (or the like) before I get my work saved... HolSegel (talk) 15:09, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

HolSegel, hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at your contribs, which article are you using as a sandbox? You should use your own sandbox at User:HolSegel/sandbox. Mr. Heart ^(talk) 15:13, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I am using my own Sandbox to create my article. Are my changes auto-saved until I publish? I am afraid to close that tab until I know it won't be lost. Otherwise, how to I save it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by HolSegel (talk • contribs) 15:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

No, changes are not auto-saved, you must publish it. As for the notification, I have no idea why it is showing it. It is yours to do with as you please as long as it is not promotional. Publish it and it will be saved for you to use at a later date. Mr. Heart ^(talk) 15:25, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

@HolSegel: there is no way to save any edits to any Wikipedia page (in a sandbox, or a talk page, or an article) other than by clicking "Publish". It is indeed the case that you don't own anything you write anywhere on Wikipedia, and I think that's why they changed the text on the button (which used to be labelled "Save"). You could perhaps save your text including wiki formatting in a plain text document on your computer if you are worried about losing it, and don't want to save it to Wikipedia just yet. But text in your sandbox doesn't have to be article quality material, and as long as you don't publish any copyright violations or other content that would violate Wikipedia policies, don't worry about the "publish" text. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 15:32, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

The new edit you currently are making will be there as long as the tab is open. So, if you have a computer that keeps tabs open even after closing it shut, it will still be there. Only when you close the tab directly you will lose your progress. It should give you a warning, however. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 15:52, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I think that the warning message is just to remind you that anything you save, whether in your sandbox or elsewhere, is immediately available to others under a CC BY-SA 3.0 license. It may be "your" sandbox but anyone can read it and, potentially copy your part-work somewhere else outside of your control, even when it has not yet been accepted as a WP article. If this worries you, then the solution is to preview your draft but never publish/save it. You can copy the text out of the edit window into a text editor on your PC to store it until you are ready to work on it further. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:03, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull, I meant as in not the warning message at the top, but the pop-up that says "Leave site? Changes you made may not be saved." Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 17:16, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you to everyone who answered my question. I think I have a better understanding now! — Preceding unsigned comment added by HolSegel (talk • contribs) 13:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

What's hotter than blue, purple and magenta?

 Ultaorb (talk) 19:38, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

That is a question for you to find out using Google or the WP:REFDESK. This is a forum purely to assist editors with the process of editing. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:40, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

I would say white, although this is not a question for the teahouse Firestar9990 (talk) 21:25, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Article seems to have problems

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Underground_Railroad

The creator of the org, "Tim Ballard" has an about tim ballard section on Operation_Underground_Railroad. Which i've never seen before on wiki. Clicking the wiki page about "Timothy Ballard" leads to a heading saying "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments". Vox Vox_(website) has a video talking about qanon and a supporter of "Operation_Underground_Railroad" was mentioned as a qanon believer. Overall, i find the article suspicious and suspect "This article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments" may apply to Operation_Underground_Railroad.

How should i proceed? --Annemaricole (talk) 00:09, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Annemaricole, we generally suspect paid contributions when the language of an article sounds overly positive about the subject and the editor mainly edits one or a few such articles. If you find reliable sources which state that either Ballard or his organization has a connection to QAnon, you may add that to the relevant article. If you find that an article's sources do not support the article's statements, you may remove the statements which lack support. Please note on the article's talk page any concerns you have.--Quisqualis (talk) 19:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Quisqualis:, thanks, what about "Ballard served 12 years as a U.S. Special Agent for the Department of Homeland Security, on the Internet Crimes against Children Task Force and the U.S. Child Sex Tourism Jump Team." section of O.U.R? it is a blurb about ballard. Is that allowed on the OUR page?

References appear in Notes section upon using "Cite" Tool

I am currently improving the stub Commercial Radio Australia for a Wikipedia Education class. My tutor is Carrolquadrio. Upon inserting my references using the "cite" tool in visual editor, my references are appearing (and being formatted) as footnotes in the "Notes", rather than "References" (please see attached screenshot). I am unsure whether this is to do with the parameters that have already been set in the Wikipedia page, or if something else is happening. I have switched to source editor to try to address this, however, upon doing so, all of my references disappear. I have also tried to rename the section headings, however, the 'Notes' and 'References' sections are formatted completely differently. I would like for my references to appear in the "References" section, and footnotes to appear in the "Notes" section - could someone help me with this?

Also, I am wondering how to insert short citations as footnotes and insert a Wikilink to the full reference?

Thanks

 SM9237 (talk) 01:16, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi SM9237. First of all, it wasn't really necessary for you to upload a screenshot of this. Simply providing a link to article would've been sufficient for a Teahouse Host to see what your referring to. Anyway, the reason the references you've added to the article are appearing in the "Commercial Radio Australia#Notes" section is because that's way whomever worked on the article prior to you set things up to work.

Most articles are typically formatted so that the inline citations of an article are displayed in a single "References" section. Some articles, however, have been formatted with two "References" sections in mind: one for inline citations and one for more general references. In some cases, an article may be using a type of citation style explained in WP:CITESHORT in which the source cited is added to a "References" section and then the inline citations for that source are added to a "Notes" or "Footnotes" section. This appears to be how this article was originally set up. If you click on a inline footnote marker such as footnote #2 it will take you the location location where the footnote is displayed in the "Notes" section, then if you click on that footnote, it will take to the location where the full source is given in the "References" section. This a bit of a complicated way of citing sources, but it's perfectly OK per WP:CITESTYLE. What's happening is that the cite tool is trying to add citations to the article in a more general way and thus the software is treating them as footnotes instead of references because that's what it was set up to do.

Wikipedia doesn't have one preferred type of citation style and generally (unless there's a real good reason for changing styles) editors are expected to defer to the original style used in the article per WP:CITEVAR. Mixing different citation styles is not really a good thing, so either you should try and format your citations following the style that was being used or see if you can establish a consensus for changing the style through discussion on the article's talk page. The cite tool is probably just set up to add citations in the most basic way and in this case you may need to add them manually without using the tool. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Multiple Occupations

I was looking into making an article for the musician "Silver Jackson", however, I found out that his real name is Nicholas Galanin and he already has a Wikipedia page. His article doesn't mention his music at all though. I was mostly curious what to do about the infobox. For instance, right now it's a template for an artist not a musician and there are no preset options for things like genres, instruments, etc. Can I just manually add those?

It also feels like I'm changing the subject of the article, but I think I might just feel squeamish about making major edits to a page I didn't start, which is something I haven't really done yet. TipsyElephant (talk) 01:52, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

The article starts: "Nicholas Galanin (pronounced gah-LANN-in) is a Tlingit/Unangax̂ multi-disciplinary artist and musician from Alaska", so it is mentioned. And if you search for pages including both "Nicholas Galanin" and "Silver Jackson", you'll see that the coreference of the two is no secret. So if I were you I'd go ahead and use solid sources to write more about his music. OTOH I'm not you, I generally dislike biographical infoboxes, and while I'll concede that they're useful for easily classifiable people (footballers, Playboy "playmates", national presidents, etc), they don't seem to be so here. So I'd be inclined to delete the infobox, of course after checking that any properly sourced, nontrivial material within it also appears in the main text. -- Hoary (talk) 06:14, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Declined page

Helo, how can i improve the page that i added to W. that is declined due to "This submission appears to read more like an advertisement than an entry in an encyclopedia. Encyclopedia articles need to be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources, not just to materials produced by the creator of the subject being discussed." I wroted about the company and i would really like to be published on W. Thanks MalaFloramy (talk) 07:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

You should look at articles about similar companies already existing in Wikipedia and try to write in the similar style. Ruslik_Zero 08:42, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Or anyway, you should look at the better articles about similar companies. Unfortunately, many articles are more or less junk. After reading an article, ask yourself (i) whether you know a lot more about the company than you did before you read it, (ii) whether the article gives you good reason to believe what you've just read, and (iii) whether the (probably anonymous) authors seem (author seems) to want to make the company sound impressive. If your answers are (i) yes, (ii) yes, (iii) no, then you might take the article as a model; but if they're some other combination, move along. -- Hoary (talk) 09:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, MalaFloramy, and welcome to the Teahouse. General advice: 1) forget everything you know about the company. 2) ignore everything said or published by the company or its employees or associates, including in interviews and press releases. Have you got enough left to make an article? (Hint: only the last two references might meet the criteria. The first is a wiki, which is not a reliable publication; the next three are not independent of Labo. The last two probably are (no 4. should be cited to the Sun, not to the news aggregator) but are about Akanbi, and say very little about Labo). If not, find reliably published sources, wholly independent of the company, which contain enough information about it to make an article, and write it from them. If you can't, then the company is probably not notable, and you will save yourself a lot of wasted effort if you give up.

I'm afraid there's a question I must ask: what is your connection with the Labo group? When a new editor comes to Wikikpedia and immediately starts on the extremely difficult task of creating an article about a company, and artist, or a band, it is very often the case that they have a conflict of interest - sometimes, that they are a paid editor - who is unaware of the restrictions on editing in those circumstances. If you have some connection, please read those links, and remember that a Wikipedia article does not belong to the subject of the article, is not for their benefit, and may end up something something about them that they don't like. --ColinFine (talk) 11:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Name shared

--> added header --Maresa63 (talk) 08:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC) I want to create a location-specific page, but the location-name is shared by other locations as well. Any help? Thanks in advance. Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 07:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC) Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 07:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Wisdomwiki 40, welcome to the Teahouse. The process by which we distinguish names is called disambiguation. If there are multiple similar titles, often a page exists listing them: we call this a disambiguation or 'dab' page. If one topic is primary then it should sit at the main title. For example, a city would likely be primary when compared to a small village. Without knowing the specifics of your case, it's hard to say exactly what you need to do. What's the name of the location? Regards, Zindor (talk) 08:21, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Zindor I created this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madaria_(disambiguation), but how to create the page for "Madaria, a village in the district Gorakhpur in the Indian State of Uttar Pradesh"Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 11:31, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Wisdomwiki 40, if you want to create a new article about the Indian village Madaria in Gorakhpur district, you could disambiguate it from the existing article Madaria simply by giving it a slightly different name, such as Madaria, Gorakhpur. And there's no need for a disambiguation page for this: we could simply add a note at the top of Madaria that reads "For the village in India, see Madaria, Gorakhpur." Captain Calm (talk) 11:33, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Captain Calm creating difference in the name is one way, but then what's the use of "disambiguation" concept in Wikipedia"Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 11:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

There are many ways to disambiguate: a note at the top of a page is one way, but if there were three or more things called "Madaria", then a disambiguation page would be a good way to keep the top of the page from becoming cluttered. There's more information on this subject at Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Captain Calm (talk) 11:40, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Wisdomwiki 40. With certainty Captain Calm is correct: create your article at Madaria, Gorakhpur and place a hat-note at the top of Madaria. Wisdomwiki i should have been clearer in my initial post; I wasn't expecting you to take action so fast! Also, when creating dab pages in future, look to see if any topic is primary. In this case, neither were primary, so it would have been more appropriate to use the primary title as the dab page. Right now though, as we only have two articles, it's not needed.

You might be aware, but there's a handy search function for the India Census. Here's a link. Zindor (talk) 14:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Captain Calm and Zindor for the guidance. I will create the page accordingly.Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 16:50, 3 November 2020 (UTC) Captain Calm and Zindor created Madaria, Gorakphur (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madaria,_Gorakhpur)Wisdomwiki 40 (talk) 18:56, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you User:Wisdomwiki 40. I've just added a disambiguation hatnote to Madaria. Captain Calm (talk) 19:04, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Tags on atticles

There are tags that show what the article is judged of like if the article is like an advertisement or if it has bad spelling or needs more citations how do you improve your work to meet the standards and also who removes it. Alvin kipchumba (talk) 08:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Alvin kipchumba. You seem to be referring to templates called maintenance templates. You can find out more about removing them at Help:Maintenance template removal, but generally any editor can remove them if (1) they address the issue raised by the template themselves or (2) feel that the issues raised by the template have already been addressed by someone else (who might've just forgot or didn't know how to remove the template). These templates are meant to let editors know about possible problems with the articles they're added to and in most cases articles tagged with such templates are added to a special maintenance category page listing other articles with the same issue. So, if you find such an article and are able to fix the problem, feel free to remove the template. Just make sure you leave an edit summary explaining why. If the template you remove is re-added by another editor who believes the problem still isn't fixed, then try to use the article's talk page to discuss things with others and figure what to do.

Most maintenance templates contain a link to a relevant guideline or policy page which explains the problem raised by the template, but often the editor who adds the template will leave an edit summary explaining why. In some cases, the editor adding the template may also post a more detailed explanation on the article's talk page to further clarify their reasons for adding the template. Ideally, such templates should only be added when an editor really believes there's a problem that needs attention, but that they aren't able to quickly fix things themselves. However, there are some editors who WP:TAGBOMB articles; these editors might mean well, but it's not necessarily a productive approach. So, you may have to dig through a page's history a bit to find out who added the template and why they added it, and then assess whether the template is still needed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

ThanksAlvin kipchumba (talk) 08:39, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Invisible Comments Appear on Article

Hi, I am currently working on the stub [Radio Australia] as part of a Wikipedia education class. My tutor is Carrolquadrio. Upon viewing my article in visual editor mode, there are a number of invisible comments - I'm not exactly sure what these mean? Also, I would like to get rid of these - is there a way in which I can do this? SM9237 (talk) 10:22, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Commercial Radio Australia

Hi SM9237. It sounds like you might be talking about what are called Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Hidden text. Such comments are only visible to those editing the article and have usually been added to provide guidance to those wanting to edit the article. Is there some reason you want to remove them other than not knowing what they mean?

Is your class one being supported by the Wikipedia:Education program? If it is, then your class should've been assigned a WikiEd advisor and it should have a WikiEd project page. Your WikiEd advisor and your tutor Carrolquadrio are probably not the same person; think of the former as sort of your Wikipedia tutor and the latter as your real world tutor. So, if your tutor hasn't been in contact with anyone at WikiEd, then you might suggest to them that they should. WikiEd can offer lots of guidance to teachers/tutors trying to use Wikipedia as part of a class project. -- Marchjuly (talk) 10:50, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Marchjuly The unit is supported by WikiEd. Students are asked to use the Teahouse, as well as tutors, when editing. This particular article was different in appearance to what we have covered and hence the question, which I think SM9237 was really asking about what to do more broadly with what appeared, as we don't teach to simply remove items. I am happy to take on the queries from here if this is more appropriate, thanks for your time.--Carrolquadrio (talk) 11:48, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Carrolquadrio. Thank you for your response. FWIW, I wasn't saying that your students can't seek help at the Teahouse; they are certainly welcome to ask their questions here. I just noticed that this same student asked another question above and in both questions mentioned you as their "tutor" as if that was supposed to mean something to a Teahouse host. I wasn't sure if the student was part of a WikiEd project or working as part of some other class project; so, I just tried to find out a bit more and give the student some general information. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:45, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Totally understand your point Marchjuly, thanks for the help.--Carrolquadrio (talk) 06:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I assume this is about Commercial Radio Australia. Its source includes html comments, enclosed in <!-- --> tags. Some of these provide guidance for those working on the article, and one is apparently material which was removed, "commented off", from the article but may still be found useful in some way. You should not delete them without providing a reason why they're no longer relevant. Maproom (talk) 11:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

By the way, SM9237 when you want to ping Carrolquadrio, use curly braces rather than straight braces. {{ping|Carrolquadrio}} not [[ping|Carrolquadrio]]. Use straight braces for links. —teb728 t c 12:03, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Marchjuly and Maproom for your guidance and advice - I will leave these comments on the page then. SM9237 (talk)

Pat Schroeder

The data on Pat Schroeder is incomplete. She was personally responsible for helping lieutenant Paula Coflin infiltrate Tailhook 91 in Las Vegas. She allowed a member of the military to lobby a congressional representative. This plot to increase women in Naval Aviation cost many excellent Naval Officers their careers. George Bush and others caved to pressure from women and allowed this witch hunt to escalate. Will Wikipedia include additional research on how a sitting congresswoman plotted to weaken the finest group of war fight men since Vietnam? This movement by Schroeder could be attributed to the movie "Top Gun". Top Gun did not include female aviators. Thank you for your time. Captain Yancey 69.4.204.238 (talk) 10:32, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Any comment you have about an article's content should go on the article's associated talk page. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Article is Pat Schroeder. New content will require references. David notMD (talk) 13:16, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Odd coincidence (?): A 1997 episode of the TV show JAG titled "Crossing the Line" centers around a woman navy aviator who is grounded for not being competent (she counter-sues for sexual harassment/discrimination). A congresswoman visits the ship to pressure restoring the pilot's flying certification. It ends badly. David notMD (talk) 13:44, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Negatives things people have done is not allowed.

Why is only positive stuff someone has done allowed to be posted? Negative things that are factual should be recorded too. Wikipedia isn't here to promote people, they have their own websites for that. 203.129.63.27 (talk) 11:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia summarizes what independent reliable sources state, whether it is "positive" or "negative". If reliable sources only write "positive" things, then that's what the article says. Wikipedia has a strict policy about how living people are written about, and all statements in an article about a person must be well sourced. Wikipedia does not deal in truth, but in what can be verified. I get the sense that you have viewed a particular article that you find problematic; if you have well sourced suggestions for changes, please make them on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 11:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: Suppose it's about the article Aidan O'Brien and specifically this edit: Special:Diff/986853296 by OP, which got reverted within a minute. --CiaPan (talk) 11:58, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

I don't get the edit; is the OP advocating for animal rights? 331dot (talk) 11:59, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Apparently, yes. But it's not my domain, and I'm not OP's advocate, either, so let them speak for themselves. --CiaPan (talk) 12:05, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

IP user: you might find it a helpful perspective to read WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. --ColinFine (talk) 12:03, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Paolo Sylos Labini

Hi, last week I wrote an article for Paolo Sylos Labini. Than I have send the article to be revision. Yesterday, I searched the article Paolo Sylos Labini to see the state of the revision, but in the editor there isn't the article. So I want to understand if you are doing the revision or I must write a new article for Paolo Sylos Labini.

Thanks Matteo150297 (talk) 13:23, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

It exists as a not-yet-submitted draft: Draft:Paolo Sylos Labini. You added content twice that each time was deleted as forbidden use of copyright-protected material. You can use a website as a reference, but you cannot copy directly from it. Instead, you must use your own words to paraphrase what is in the source site. A major weakness of the draft, which will result in it being Declined if submitted, is that there are no references to support the content. David notMD (talk) 13:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

DuckDog67

hiDuckDog67 (talk) 14:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC) DuckDog67 (talk) 14:37, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, DuckDog67. This is a help forum for new users encountering problems understanding how to edit Wikipedia. Do you have a question you need answering? If not, you might find doing our Wikipedia Adventure a bit of fun. If you complete it, there are 15 different badges to collect as you take the full tour. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:23, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi! Welcome to Wikipedia. We could use your help with contributing to articles, so click the community portal link on the left side and scroll down to see articles pending changes. Alternatively, you can click this link to find groups with articles that share your interests. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 17:06, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Proposing article ideas

Where do I go proposing article ideas? a gd fan (talk) 16:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

GeometryDashFan12, that's WP:Requested articles. Note though, it's perhaps the most backlogged part of WP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:02, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

S.O.S

I am literally suffering finiding articles to edit is there any application that can help me. I am suffering please help me ;-; Wikipidean's Creed (talk) 17:40, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipidean's Creed, what kind of editing are you interested in doing? We can point you at any number of lists/projects/categories of articles that need help. —valereee (talk) 17:43, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

I am into tech stuff but is there an application that can help with editing? Wikipidean's Creed (talk) 17:47, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

User:SuggestBot/Requests might be useful, see also: Wikipedia:Teahouse/Suggestions. --2606:A000:1126:28D:B44D:AECC:2DDA:3FC5 (talk) 17:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipidean's Creed, I suggest that you find some WikiProjects of your interest. Other than that, just search for pages you are interested in. I do know that certain (automated) tools exist, but I personally haven't used any of them. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 18:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipidean's Creed, there are many user scripts and gadgets that can help with editing, but it sounded like you were having a hard time finding articles to edit? What are you looking for help with? —valereee (talk) 19:35, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Wikipidean's Creed: Could explain more about what the kind of app you want would actually do for you, in an ideal wiki-world?. We have spellchecking tools, routine mass-editing tools (given to proven/trusted editors only), tools to detect vandalism, grammar checking tools. But 'finding articles to edit' is really down to you, unless you want to work through some of the articles which have had some sort of 'needs improvement' tag added to them (e.g. needs referencing, needs grammar and spelling improving). You could browse through Wikipedia:Tools/Optimum tool set or Category:Wikipedia tools, but always be aware that you are still just as responsible for the accuracy of your edits with automated tools as you are normally. With just 10 mainspace edits to your credit since you started here last month, you must really be suffering if you can't find things to work on to improve. Perhaps you would give a link to your ideal article that interests you, and we might be able to suggest some ways to find similar ones that need some TLC. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:47, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Try looking at an article on a topic you know about - your town/city, high school, college, hobby, etc. and see if there is information missing or wrong information. If you choose to add content, make sure you add a reference or else reuse an existing reference. David notMD (talk) 23:10, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

There is a lot of hypocrisy on this site

The March Days, March Events (Azerbaijani: Mart hadisələri), or March Genocide (Azerbaijani: Mart soyqırımı) in Azerbaijani propaganda, was a period of inter-ethnic strife and massacres of about 12,000 [3][4] Azeris and other Muslim groups[6] that took place between 30 March. In Azerbaijani propaganda?Really? I swear that Azerbaijanis are not allowed to make small changes in articles about Armenians. How can the first sentence of the article begin with Azerbaijani propaganda? These people, who are smaller in number than Azerbaijanis use Wikipedia use for prapoganda , change articles about Turks and Azerbaijanis as they wish. Articles against them are artificially destroyed. Blaxoul (talk) 18:04, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Care to pick a different topic area instead of one that is a ethno-political land mine? —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 18:09, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

What is with all this notice about Armenian related content? It seems kinda sus to me. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 19:11, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Because a recent war that's hit the news has increased the visibility of articles concerning the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 19:16, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Jéské Couriano, Oh, I thought it was just random people concerned about Armenia for no reason. I was starting to suspect sockpuppetry. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 23:13, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

There could be sockpuppetry going on but as far as I can tell the increased focus is primarily due to the aforementioned war. The topic area is under ArbCom-authorised discretionary sanctions because of how intense the partisanship is in the topic area - both sides demonise the other and will hear naught else. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 23:17, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Blaxoul. Those words were inserted by an anonymous contributor two days ago. I agree that they are contrary to Wikipedia's policies, as they are not neutral. I have removed them, and will be warning the editor who inserted them. --ColinFine (talk) 19:55, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

My grandfather's page

Could I post a life story about my grandfather which all his descendants could access and edit?

Peter Black Ottawa 2607:FEA8:E360:5698:D80A:AAF9:8D3A:CB71 (talk) 18:17, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Peter Black, but Wikipedia does not work that way. What you need is social media. Wikipedia consists of objectively researched articles about subjects who have been written about in depth in reliable, published sources. If your grandfather meets Wikipedia's definition of notability, then his descendants could contribute to a Wikipedia article about him, based only on reliable, published sources which have covered him in depth.--Quisqualis (talk) 18:28, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Peter - the advice above is quite correct. From personal experience of doing something similar, I'd suggest a site like Google's Blogger would be ideal. It's totally free and can be easily mastered. You can either create it like a normal blog (with chronologically arranged posts, or you can make it more like a website, with links to different topics via tabs. Because it's free, the site remains online years after the creator made it, unlike websites for which you pay an annual fee and then everything goes as soon as you stop paying. Other might have a different view (such as Ancestry.com) but here is probably not the best place to discuss it further. You're bound to find tons of ideas online. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:12, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

HELP ME !!!

hello, I think one of user have aggression to me, he put GNG template to may articles, seriously all of articles, some of them he put PROD or AfD. What can I do or who can i say....i create referee articles, that user write that articles are not pass notability, but there are more more more articles that same as me, which he put PROD, Afd or GNG....please help me...i dont know what he want from me??? Almgerdeu (talk) 19:42, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, based on the messages on your talkpage, I think they want you to not create articles unless they clearly meet WP:GNG/WP:BASIC. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:13, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

@Almgerdeu: The problem, as I see it, is that you do not have much understanding of our notability criteria and the sources that you need to find and to put into an article in orer to demonstrate a person is Notable enough for a page to remain in this encyclopaedia. See WP:SPORTBASIC for a bit of specific guidance on sport-people. OK, so you are clearly fascinated by football referees, and so are the main types of website you cite in your rapidly-created pages: worldreferee.com ; eu-football.info ; thecelticwiki.com. Unfortunately, they all seem to be insider summary pages, with nothing to suggest real notability, just the jobs they've done. I am not aware that WP:NSPORTS has a criterion for notability of referees taking part in major tournaments. There seems to be no citations in your hastily made pages to published books, biographies or national media outlets - that talks about their participation and contribution to major sporting events, such as they refereed in the 1996 World Cup, followed by lots of indepth coverage of them as a person. That's what notability means. So, if you're going to carry on in this way, you must be prepared for a lot more PRODS and AFDs on notability grounds. The way to avoid that is to slow down, and spend real, quality time finding sources about these seemingly non-notable people. If you can't, then maybe it's best not to waste everyone's time - including your own - trying. That, to me, seems to be the bottom line, and I would encourage Spiderone to continue assessing your well-meant contributions - and perhaps offer you a bit of guidance and instruction along the way. I hope both of you will proceed with care. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:51, 3 November 2020 (UTC).  

@Almgerdeu: there is no aggression here. A number of users, not just me, have left messages on your talk page suggesting how articles could be improved. I have personally suggested that you try to use WP:DRAFT and WP:AFC to help you to understand what sort of articles are accepted and which ones are not. Unfortunately, not everyone is notable. I can tell that you have put a good chunk of time into a lot of these articles but, honestly, a lot of these people just do not meet WP:GNG. If a person cannot be sourced to anything more than World Referees or similar database websites then that person isn't notable. Me placing a GNG template on an article is not a personal attack but simply a reminder that the article makes no demonstration of how the subject is notable. I could go straight to PROD or AfD in almost all of these cases but I think it's important that you spend time trying to find sources that explore the referees in depth and, if they don't exist, then try to use self-control and not create the article. The only one that stands out to me as being hugely notable is Arturo Yamasaki. Honestly, the overwhelming majority of the others don't seem to have anything more than routine and passing mentions. Spiderone 22:01, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Almgerdeu has created close to 100 stub-length articles on football referees. Many of these get Prod, then contested by Almgerdeu, then nominated to AfD, and then deleted. Is there a way to stop this insistence on creating articles which do not, and can not, meet Wikipedia's criteria for GNG? David notMD (talk) 04:04, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Since Almgerdeu is clearly acting in good faith, I'm not sure. If it were deliberately disruptive behaviour, I would go down the route of ANI and suggesting a topic ban but I don't think that's appropriate in this particular circumstance. Spiderone 09:13, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Username

Hi, I previously setup a username and password. I have now subsequently forgotten the password but on trying to reset it it tells me there isn't such username registered. Trying to open a new account with my old username I get told that it is already in use. Please assist. 41.3.8.210 (talk) 20:08, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Are you sure you're spelling the username right, case and all? (Usernames are case-sensitive.) —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Takes a strong man to deny...} 20:20, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the username is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.13.232.185 (talk) 05:34, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Thats no possible. If the reset password system tells you that the username doesnt exist, yet account creation with that exact username fail because it exist, something is broken. Note: I know that some form-autofill software will ocassionaly insert extra chars that cause the username to be different. @OP try resetting the password by entering the email adress, not the username. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:47, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

That is true. My username doesn't exist if I request the password but once I want to create a new account with my username I get told it already exist. Guys please assist! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.13.254.98 (talk) 15:30, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I repeat myself: Try inserting the email adress you believe is associated with your old account, i.e.

1. Open Special:PasswordReset in a new tab
2. Leave the first field (Labeled with "Username:") blank. If something is in there, delete it.
3. insert the email adress in the second input field
4. Hit the big red Reset password button.

It would be nice if you would copy the exact error message you get. Alternatively, if you dont mind your username-IP- affliation getting public, you can copy the exact username you create an account for here, including the error message you get. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Firstly; there is no error message if I type in the email address associated with the account and hit the reset button. Nothing happens and I do not receive an email with a reset link or otherwise. Secondly; herewith the error message on trying to create a new account,

Username(help me choose) Ameshoff Username entered already in use. Please choose a different name.

I am out of Ideas. There is a user "Ameshoff", and there is "AmeshoffNaledi". The first one has an email set, the second doesn't. I have requested another password reset for "Ameshoff". If this didn't solve it please do the following: First, there is a limit on the amount of password reset mails. So please wait at least 24 hours before submitting one more password reset request. If that also fails within resonable time amounts, you can only register a new account with a different username. There is not so much of a loss because the old account has only made 33 edits, howewer, I would still recommend that you declare your old accounts name due to WP:SOCK (even if its unlikely that this is a problem). Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:33, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

New Article

I am writing an article about a noted British/American sculpture, Brian Wall, in my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Carsley66/sandbox

I would appreciate feedback on it before I submit it. Disclosure: Brian Wall is my brother-in-law; I have not received compensation for writing the article. Carsley66 (talk) 20:30, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

At first glace, it looks alright. One suggestion would be to use online sources more, as those are easier to access and verify. Obviously not a requirement, but helps to have. JackFromReedsburg (talk | contribs) 20:41, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Carsley66, Taking a glance, it looks good. Would be better served by an editor with access to the wikipedia library (free access to a lot of document archives), though. —moonythedwarf (Braden N.) 20:50, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

How to create a good article

How to I create a good article? Oscar012723487 (talk) 20:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Oscar012723487. If you are speaking generally when you use of the word "good" in your question; I think the following are some key highlights:

• First determine that the topic is notable, by looking for the existence of reliable, secondary sources, written by third parties who have no connection with the subject, which sources treat the proposed article topic in substantive detail (think: at least two or three paragraphs devoted to the subject).
• (If those sources don't exist, don't write anything on that topic, because no encyclopedia article is possible.)
• If those sources do exist, write the article not by writing what you know, but by summarizing in your own words what those sources verify, citing those sources as go using inline citations.
• Please also be aware that articles are expected to be written from a neutral point of view; should contain no original research; and please note our standards for having a lead section and what we advise generally for an article's organization.
• Before doing any of this, you might start with taking a tour through the Wikipedia Tutorial so you learn the basics of formatting article content, how to link to and from other articles, etc., and then seeing Wikipedia:Your first article.

If, instead, you were not speaking generally, but were referring to creating an article that will have a chance of meeting the encyclopedia's special designation for the phrase "good article", see Wikipedia:Good articles and the good article criteria. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:26, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

User blocked for WP:SOCKPUPPETRY. Just time wasting, sadly. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:54, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

Well, great conversation! A+. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 23:07, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

How to add a page / translation?

There is a page on wikipedia in Japanese, and I want to add an English version of the same subject, which is still not ready, and needs to be submitted.

What is required? What are the steps? To submit and get approved first and then to connect pages? Walerikus (talk) 00:23, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Walerikus, I think you will find this article very helpful. Happy editing and enjoy your stay at the Teahouse! Mr. Heart ^(talk) 00:33, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Walerikus, HeartatSchool has, I'm sure with the best of intentions, given you a link to a page about translating into English (and improving) articles in the Wikipedia of another language. For a high percentage of articles in Japanese-language Wikipedia, translation is unsuitable, because the quality of their referencing is very poor. Rather than translating and then looking for references for what you've translated, better to look for reliable sources and work from them. -- Hoary (talk) 06:39, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to

Need a third opinion here Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran

Baratiiman (talk) 07:38, 4 November 2020 (UTC) Baratiiman (talk) 07:38, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Baratiiman. I do not see any current discussion at Talk:Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran. What are you asking for opinions about? Please read Wikipedia:Third opinion to learn how the formal process works. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:47, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

ok thanks i made the discussion now can you give an opinon.Baratiiman (talk) 08:08, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

This is forum-shopping; see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#is this vandalism and discussions linked from there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:45, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Urgent request

So I have a photo of my own that I upload on my Wikipedia draft but that draft was deleted by Wiki staff, I want that this photo be removed right away from Wikipedia or any Wikipedia website, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hugo_Tron.jpg I already sent a request for deletion but I want it to make sure it is deleted, It was me, it is me I have the right to request to be deleted. Waiting reply. HugoTitanTron 07:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

HugoTitanTron, per Commons:FAQ#I_have_uploaded_an_image,_can_I_revoke_the_license_later?, it seems you're out of luck. However, this is a questions for Commons (related but different from WP), you can try Commons:Help desk. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:39, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

But per Commons:Deletion requests/File:Hugo Tron.jpg, things are looking less bleak. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:36, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

The European Common Framework For Languages

I was looking at one of your webpages on The European Common Framework For Languages, it lists all the languages you can take and their equivalents, I wanted to find if A1 French is equivalent to GCSE Foundation level, could you please look on that webpage and answer my question.

Tara 2A00:23C5:3F13:1701:D19D:4732:A9BB:7D8D (talk) 08:59, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

No, because this is a place to ask about how to use Wikipedia. But the "reference desk" caters for such questions. You'd be welcome to ask the same question at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. -- Hoary (talk) 09:39, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Can not access my account - forgot my password

Hi, I previously setup a username and password. I have now subsequently forgotten the password but on trying to reset it it tells me there isn't such username registered. Trying to open a new account with my old username I get told that it is already in use. I have typed the username in correctly. Please assist. 41.13.216.121 (talk) 09:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

how do i reply to sender? GuyJohhnyWithGuy (talk) 10:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

GJWG - If you have a suggestion, respond here at Teahouse. You could also try the Talk for 41.13.216.121 but that person may not know to check their own Talk. David notMD (talk) 11:31, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Help to install an edit of an English entry of Wikipedia

Can you recommend a person who will be sent an edit (7 pages long) in English of an existing Wikipedia entry (of one page) for a renowned poet from Israel? All text, including the poet's photograph, is ready. Fees will be paid. Merchav1 (talk) 11:36, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Merchav1 Paid editing services are not offered or recommended on Wikipedia. If you want to pay someone to edit for you, you will need to find them on your own. When you do, they will need to make the required paid editing declaration and state that you are paying them. 331dot (talk) 11:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Merchav1: I'd second what 331dot said above, and add that paying anyone for creating ('installing') an article in Wikipedia doesn't guarantee anything you could expect from any paid service. Among others,

• it will not prevent any future modification of the provided contents, either expanding or shrinking, improving or spoiling it (because Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia, which can be edited by anyone – see Wikipedia:Editing policy);
• it will not provide you any control over reusing the contents outside Wikipedia (as Wikipedia is free also in that its contents is available to everybody – see Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content);
• it will not release you (and a person paid by you) from
  • providing appropriate WP:SOURCES to make the article verifiable (see WP:VER) and prove the subject's WP:Notability (see specific criteria for notability of people at WP:BIO, and especially WP:BLP for living people, if applicable), and
  • keeping the contents in objective tone (see WP:NPOV, WP:PROMO, WP:TONE);
• it will not prevent deleting the contents, whole or in part, if it appears to violate some Wikipedia policies not mentioned above (see the frame at the bottom of Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines, part 'Content').

So, generally: yes, you can pay someone to create the article here. If you do, however, remember you will pay just for a technical act of transferring data from your computer to Wikipedia system (and, possibly, some editing according to Wikipedia guidelines on article structure, layout, linking etc.).
You will not buy any kind of 'security' of the article to be created. --CiaPan (talk) 13:03, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Lastly, is the photographer going to add the photograph to Wikipedia Commons, and in doing so, renounce all copyrights? The photographed poet does not hold the copyright to the photograph. David notMD (talk) 14:24, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Questions about new articles for Donato & Niccola de' Medici

I, YourHumbleServant, propose to add two new Wikipedia articles:
Donato di Niccola de' Medici
Niccola di Vieri de' Medici
Since I have not contributed a new article before (I consider myself rather “new” having made a number of simple edits and still learning style and format), I am writing to ask your advice on several points:
• Notability
• Search results
• Begin with a “stub”
• Preference for first article
• Categories
• Seeking a sponsor/adopter
Notability:
The article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistoia_Cathedral mentions “Donato de' Medici” twice; it says the picture Madonna Enthroned between St. John the Baptist and St. Donatus “was commissioned from Andrea del Verrocchio by the heirs of Donato de' Medici,” and “next to the entrance is the tomb of Donato de' Medici.” But this webpage does not mention that Donato was Bishop of Pistoia. Wikipedia does not have information linking Donato to the more well-known members of the de’ Medici family, and does not have information about the part he played in the affairs of the Arch-Episcopate of Florence (the Priors of Florence and Cosimo de’ Medici had nominated Donato to be their Archbishop, and he was a co-consecrator of Antonio Forcilioni, O.P. who did became Archbishop instead). See: https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bforc.html and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoninus_of_Florence Donato was the son of Niccola Niccola was the son of Vieri de’ Medici and is identified as such on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vieri_de%27_Medici; it has a “broken link” Niccola I believe “notability” can be supported by being verifiable through citations to reliable sources. For example, citations to Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani https://www.treccani.it/enciclopedia/nicola-de-medici_(Dizionario-Biografico) as used in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vieri_de%27_Medici, https://www.catholic-hierarchy.org/bishop/bforc.html, Najemy, John. A History of Florence 1200–1575. Malden, Mass. u.a: Blackwell Publishing, 2008, pg. 290, Peterson, David S. (1985). Archbishop Antoninus: Florence and the Church in the Early Fifteenth Century (PhD thesis). Cornell University. pg. 40 (reference given in: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoninus_of_Florence). and Peterson, David S. "An Episcopal Election in Quattrocento Florence." James Ross Sweeney and Stanley Chodorow, eds. Popes, Teachers, and Canon Law in the Middle Ages. Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 1989, pp. 300-325 I can supply additional high-quality sources. Please let me know if these seem be what is needed to satisfy the notability criteria.
Search results
I searched Wikipedia for both Donato and Niccola and found no articles; I would appreciate a double check of that result from someone more experienced and with (perhaps) more capable tools.

Begin with a “stub”
I propose to start Donato’s article as a stub modeled on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benozzo_Federighi And to start Niccola’s article as a stub modeled on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averardo_de%27_Medici Can you suggest a specific stub type the article should use?

Preference for first article
Is there a reason to prefer one page before the other – Donato or Niccola – as my first try?

Categories
For the Donato article I intend to include it in: “15th-century_Roman_Catholic_bishops.” Are there others I should identify?

Seeking a sponsor/adopter
I would be glad to have a sponsor (volunteer editor) who has worked on similar articles. Can you put me in contact with someone? Or otherwise, how can I find an adopter?

I plan to use the Article Wizard to develop my first article in my sandbox – I would be glad to have any suggestions on how to proceed with my development and subsequent submission.

Thank you for your attention and consideration. YourHumbleServant (talk) 11:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, YourHumbleServant, and welcome to the Teahouse. My advice is: determine notability (I'm not looking at your references here), then begin with a draft. Forget about stubs: work it up to a reasonable article (even if it is not complete) and then present it for review - you or others can add to it once it's been accepted. You can start with either, or even work on both at the same time if you wish. Read your first article carefully if you haven't already. --ColinFine (talk) 12:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I second what ColinFine says about stubs. A stub really says "The creator couldn't be bothered to do any real work on this article and instead expected others to do the work for them." The best way I know of for finding mentions in English-language Wikipedia of, say, Niccola di Vieri is to google for "Niccola di Vieri" site:en.wikipedia.org. I hope you realize that Wikipedia articles can't cite other Wikipedia articles. -- Hoary (talk) 13:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Suppose I wanted to do a Google search (of sources excluding Wikipedia) to help me judge whether your proposed subject(s) is/are notable. I'd start by asking whether "Donato di Niccola de' Medici Niccola di Vieri de' Medici" is all one name, or one person known by several names, or several different people. Maproom (talk) 13:25, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello! I’m new and I wanna ask a question

How do you edit pages/make pages here? Thank you and have a nice day!

StevenMilotic Stelotic (talk) 12:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

You might start by trying the "Wikipedia adventure. -- Hoary (talk) 13:13, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello! (moved from Teahouse talk page)

Hello everybody! Just wanted to say hi. 😊 Stelotic (talk) 12:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Also btw There is a very recent Typhoon called Siony and is coming to the Philippines. Is there any Wikipedia page for it? Stelotic (talk) 12:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello there, Stelotic, and welcome to the Teahouse. I've left a welcome message on your talk page, with a link to Getting Started. I've also moved your question (and deleted the original) because you actually posted on the subpage we use just for managing the Teahouse, rather than within the question forum itself (i.e. this page). I see from the question just above that you did find us yourself, in the end. Great advice from Hoary - you will collect 15 different badges if you complete that interactive tour of Wikipedia. Although we only really answer questions here about how to edit Wikipedia and solve people's editing problems for them, I am happy to answer your question for you this time. It took a little while because it seems the Philippines likes to use a different name from the internationally used typhoon name (Atsani, in this case). So I couldn't find anything about current typhoons at Typhoon Siony - nor would I expect to with an ongoing storm, rather than a past major event. So I found an index page for Typhoon Atsani, which links to the ongoing typhoon in an article about the 2020 Pacific typhoon season, which is, I guess, a logical place to look. On that page you'll see a table of contents which links you to this sub-heading within the article. I suspect it is still an ongoing event, and not every typhoon will merit an article of its own unless it become a really major event. See WP:NOTNEWS to appreciate that Wikipedia reflects what other sources say after the event, rather than reports on single unfolding events as they happen. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:17, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Reference name

I want to expand and reference an article Mace (spray), and I have a question about the naming of a ref (citation). The ref name is ":0"; is this some convention I don't know? I would like more useful reference names, like an abbreviation of the source, author, or type of article, for examples. I looked at other articles and these seem common. I searched for something "WP:" to explain this, but was unable to find an explanation.

I can read the answer here. Thank you to anyone who can explain this.Matternotdissent (talk) 13:20, 4 November 2020

It's a convention that I don't understand either. (I presume that it's the result of some semi-automated module.) I think it's rather horrible and never use it. If I'm working on an article that uses it, and if it annoys me, I change it. Use whatever names you want, but be sure to preview before saving, in order to check that nothing has gone wrong. -- Hoary (talk) 13:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I doubt it's a convention. I suspect it was chosen by a bot that was tidying up the referencing. If you were to replace it, consistently throughout the article, by a more informative name, that would be helpful. Maproom (talk) 13:31, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Matternotdissent and Hoary: It's one of the referencing help tools or bots that sets the reference names to things like :0, :1,:2, if there are duplicate references. I would recommend using something much clearer i.e. calling the ref Wired, as that's the name of source being used. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:34, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the answers and insights. I'm changing it! I'll be careful, and I am trying to use previews. Yes, "Wired" is easy and also makes it obvious for other editors. I prefer author names, but I should think about subsequent editors. Matternotdissent (talk) 13:42, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Author names are fine too, anything is easier than :0. Joseph2302 (talk) 14:16, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

For science journal references I use first author's last name and year (because said author may have published several journal articles on the same topic). P.S. The quotation marks are not required. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

For science journals I plan to use NameYear convention. Thanks for the info on quotation marks as Wikipedia pages that explain templates are useless. I like the quote marks, though, because I edit on my cell phone, and they're visually easy to spot.Matternotdissent (talk) 15:08, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

The quote marks are required if the name contains spaces or punctuation, I think, but not if it's a single "word". --ColinFine (talk) 16:09, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Correctness is cumulative. David notMD (talk) 00:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Other barnstars

Hello, I have a question about the wikilove extension. I see people delivering barnstars, and some of them seem odd, because they are not accessible in the WikiLove menu, (eg: COVID-19 barnstar), how do you obtain them? --a gd fan (talk) 14:15 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Barnstars shows barnstars that can be given to other editors. It's bad form to award yourself barnstars, or to dole out lots of barnstars to other editors for their modest or less than modest contributions. David notMD (talk) 14:32, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Ok, I wasn't going to do anything, I was only confused, and I also don't feel important if I award myself. --a gd fan (talk) 14:45, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Yep, It's like "I have so many barnstars...but at what cost?" Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 15:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Let me ask the question from a reviewer's standpoint, in three parts. First, there is a pull-down menu of barnstars. Where is a gallery of additional barnstars, and can they be awarded by anyone if they know where the gallery is? Second, how can one request that another barnstar be added to the pulldown? Third, how are barnstars designed? Is it done with a .ico editor, or how? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:05, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello!

I am from One More Voice a noncommercial, open access, strictly educational archive focused on recovering non-European contributions from nineteenth-century British imperial and colonial archives. We want to alert people to resources because our website contains more information and scholarly exchange about the writers. We have been trying to add our website under the "Resources" or "Reference" pages on the Wikipedia page so that there is a source for further reading on the author. What is the best way to go about doing this without getting flagged?

Here is an example of one of the pages were hoping to add as a reference: Selim Aga Awisnicki2 (talk) 15:36, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Awisnicki2. Wikipedia is not for promotion - i.e. "telling the world about yourself" - irrespective of whether you are commercial or not, or how worthy you are. In addition, adding links to your own site is regarded as a conflict of interest. What you can do is post an edit request on an article's talk page, explaining how a link to your site would be appropriate according to Wikipedia's policy on external links, and an uninvolved editor will add it if they agree. --ColinFine (talk) 16:14, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

confused

I keep trying to rename my wiki pages, they are sandbox pages because i am new, i looked up how to change the name and i did what it said but i couldn't rename it. i just started making pages yesterday.

thank you. Saiygcsycgisa (talk) 16:17, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Saiygcsycgisa - as explained at WP:BEFOREMOVING "You are unable to move the page because your account is too new (the account must be autoconfirmed)" - you need to wait 3 more days (a full 96 hours after you created the account) - In the meantime you can ask at WP:REQUESTED MOVES - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 16:23, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, I am a new editor in English Wikipedia! Well, I was an editor in Turkish wikipedia but due to some reasons (such as this place being more important and getting bored of some things) I decided to move to the English wiki. InshaAllah, I'd like to improve pages about Circassians (they really need some improvement) and translate pages that exist in Turkish wikipedia but not in the English, or add more info via translation. May I learn why I am not allowed to create pages? Also, can you help me navigate? I see some things are different here. Thanks a lot in advance! :) ~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴~ ^{(Псалъэ)} 17:51, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Adigabrek, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't understand why you can't create articles: your account is autoconfirmed: what exactly happens when you try? Having said that, I urge you not to try and create articles directly, but to use the articles for creation process, even when you are translating from tr-wiki. The fact is that different editions of Wikipedia have different policies and criteria: an article that is acceptable in Turkish will not automatically be acceptable in English. Please read translation, and notability. You might find it helpful to read your first article as well. --ColinFine (talk) 18:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

ColinFine, it says:

Your translation cannot be published because publishing is only allowed to more experienced editors on this wiki.

~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴~ ^{(Псалъэ)} 21:39, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

@Adigabrek: Publishing from the Content Translation Tool is an extended-confirmed action; I believe that's why you're getting that message. I'm not familiar with the tool, but perhaps you can copy the resulting content and paste it into a draft, and then use the Articles for Creation process linked above. Zindor (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

The use of the tool has been restricted to extended-confirmed editors because machine translation is an iffy business and needs to be overseen by a reasonably experienced human who is not only fluent in English but is familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, especially verifiability. The translation of references is error-prone, and the quality of automated translation between languages is extremely variable. Sometimes it is very good, and sometimes it is terrible. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:59, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

I need help with this draft

 a gd fan (talk) 17:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, a gd fan. What help is it you need? One suggestion is to look at your sources. Blogs are hardly ever regarded as reliable sources; and from the title I guessed that "ncpedia" was probably a user-generated wiki, and so not acceptable. Actually, it looks as if it is a reliable source, so I urge you to format the reference following REFB, to make it clearer what kind of publication this is. --ColinFine (talk) 19:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

NCPEDIA is a blog? a gd fan (talk) 19:06, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

GeometryDashFan12 No, but WP:USERGENERATED, see [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:02, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

GeometryDashFan12, I actually meant that the first reference was a blog, and the second was NCpedia. Looking at Ncpedia I thought it looked as if it was under editorial control and would be reliable, but GGS has shown that it is not. --ColinFine (talk) 10:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

One Billion Edits

With Wikipedia fast approaching One Billion edits since it was started, do you have any plans to celebrate? One billion is a Massive number, and is a great milestone.

Also side question: Are questions like this all right to ask? I notice the tearoom is mostly for technical questions, should I try to keep my questions to the technical side of things? Thelockedoctor (talk). 18:21, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for any question, and I think we should start planning celebrations and events regarding the billionth edit. Whoever gets the 1 billionth edit might have a few prizes, hopefully the edit isn't vandalism. a gd fan (talk) 18:32, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Someone should make an updated proposal on this. a gd fan (talk) 19:19, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Thelockedoctor The Teahouse is for questions about editing WP, but any reasonable newbie-question will often get some sort of guidance. You could try this question at Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:08, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång Ok, thank you very much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thelockedoctor (talk • contribs)

Yes. We should welcome questions that are about Wikipedia even if they are not about how to edit. We also get a lot of general knowledge questions that are more appropriate for the Reference Desk, and this is at least about Wikipedia. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:41, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I need some help

Hi! I made a page a while ago, Semyon Der-Arguchintsev. I was recently updating it a while ago and noticed it doesn't have a points/goals chart. I was looking on some pages to see how to make them and it looked like NASA to me. Can someone make one, as I feel it would mighty improve the page. Nolanisntfunny (talk) 18:33, 4 November 2020 (UTC)Nolanisntfunny Nolanisntfunny (talk) 18:33, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Nolanisntfunny, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, in worrying about a points/goals chart, you are like somebody worrying about painting a house when the house is about to fall down because it has no foundations. The article at the moment does nothing to establish that Der-Arguchintsev meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. I don't know enough Ice hockey to know whether he meets any of the specific criteria on that page I linked to; but even if he does, the references need to be improved; and if he doesn't the references to nothing to establish his notability by the general criteria. The first reference is just a summary of data, the other two don't even mention him. We need places where independent people have written text about him, and been published in reliable sources. Please see CITE. --ColinFine (talk) 19:11, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

writers market deluxe edition

Trying to locate who is now publishing/owns Writers Market (after bankrucy 2601:246:900:4E0:B9D8:22E2:F70B:6D6D (talk) 19:13, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi person editing from IP...6D6D This page is for questions about editing Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this forum is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:57, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

The Writer's Market article says Penguin Random House bought them. You can use the encyclopedia to find these answers. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:35, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Create an article?

How do you create a page again? Severe Weather Lover (talk) 21:18, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Severe Weather Lover, See WP:MFA S Philbrick(Talk) 23:00, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Please do not attempt to create an article, Severe Weather Lover. In order to create an article, a range of competencies are required. Your rather short list of contributions to articles so far suggests that although you have good intentions you just casually add stuff as it occurs to you. This isn't how constructing an encyclopedia works. You might try the "Wikipedia Adventure" to familiarize yourself with what's needed. -- Hoary (talk) 23:56, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

Turkey

where is Turkey Afhi86d3 b (talk) 00:18, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Possibly in the freezer, given the proximity to Thanksgiving. If you're on about the country, you can read the article here. In future please ask at the Ref desk, as the Teahouse is generally for questions about editing Wikipedia. Zindor (talk) 00:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

If your buying turkey for Thanksgiving, here's a pro tip! Wait until after thanksgiving to buy it, and then it'll be on sale. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 02:48, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

If you are buying your turkey in Turkey, you should research the applicable regulations on importation of agricultural products, as well as any quarantine rules, (unless you are planning to feast in Turkey). Robert McClenon (talk) 04:34, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

But don't eat Turkey Tayac, the herb doctor. He's a human, and also dead, so it wont be yummy. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 11:43, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

How to reply

I might seem kind of dumb but I don't know much about wikimarkup so how do I reply to other replys on the help page? TappyTurtle13 (talk) 02:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Here's a couple ways how to reply.

1. Put a : before your reply. This will make an indent.

2. Put {{Reply to|}} before your reply. After the | symbol, put the username you want to reply to, like this: {{Reply to|TappyTurtle13}}, which will display as @TappyTurtle13: (you will receive a notification for doing this, like you just did.

3. You can combine these two, like this: :{{Reply to|TappyTurtle13}}, which will indent your response and send the user your replying to a notification.

Hope this helps! Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 02:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Talk pages and user pages aside, concentrate on improving articles. As preparation for this, take the "Wikipedia adventure". -- Hoary (talk) 02:51, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

@Hoary: Thank you! (If you see this, it works) - TappyTurtle13 (talk) 12:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Whoops! Here's another thing:

The Nowiki template (<nowiki></nowiki>) is to show the coding of a template without it functioning; I'll use door as an example.

[[Door]] will show Door.

If you put the nowiki template around it, instead of Door, it will show [[Door]] (If its confusing, click edit and look at the coding).

When replying, don't put the <nowiki></nowiki> template, like this: @TappyTurtle13: (If its confusing, click edit and look at the coding. You'll get a notification for this too.) Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 12:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Bloomington, WI; non-notable, and a possible AfD

Hi everyone, I came across this page: Bloomington, Wisconsin and discovered the section about notable people has been removed several times by several IP users, and reverted by multiple users in an effort to restore the page. Possible edit war. That particular section has only one notable person, Christy Oates; it has a source, but it is not reliable and it leads to Oates' Smithsonian profile page. The problem is that the "notable person" does not appear to be notable anyway, but actually has a wiki article. The article appears to only have primary sources, not at all reliable, and one interview. It would seem that she's not notable enough to be included in the Bloomington, WI article, and the Oates article may be a good candidate for AfD. What do you suggest? Coryphantha Talk 03:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hello Coryphantha. If a person has a Wikipedia biography, then they are presumed to be notable, and therefore eligible to be included in lists of notable people. Of course, if consensus is to delete the article, then that presumption no longer exists. So, if you truly believe that she is not notable, you can nominate the article for AfD. But I want to point out that the article has 11 references, most of which appear to be solid, and that the Smithsonian has at least two of her works in its collections. My guess is that the article would probably be kept in an AfD debate, but that is just my opinion as one experienced editor. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:02, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Topic

hi give me an example on wikipedia for project GuyJohhnyWithGuy (talk) 04:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

i mean topic GuyJohhnyWithGuy (talk) 04:31, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Nobody here knows what interests you. Find a shortcoming in an article on a subject that interests you, and fix it, specifying the reliable, independent, published information that you are basing your edit on. But maybe before that try the "Wikipedia adventure". Incidentally, you'll have to use capital letters and punctuation where appropriate; if you don't like doing this, then editing isn't for you. -- Hoary (talk) 06:20, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

please help me to write an article on an educational institution

Please help me with... sir my question is ,I want to create a page on an educational institution by name EDUCATE BHAARATH, and i have seen the guidelines to create an article on universities and etc. where to upload my article is it on afc or any other? and please also tell about references and notability aspect . i created a sample in my sandbox. Sriramnivas6121 (talk) 09:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Sriramnivas6121 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you may use Articles for Creation to submit a draft. However, if you were to submit the text that is in your sandbox, it would be rejected quickly and possibly deleted, as it reads as a promotional text for the organization, and is sourced to nothing but the organization's website. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about an organization, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization. Wikipedia is not interested in what the organization wants to say about itself, only in what others completely unconnected with the organization have chosen to say about it. Primary sources are acceptable in certain circumstances, but cannot be used to establish notability. Please see Your First Article for more information; you may also wish to use the new user tutorial to learn more about Wikipedia.

I get the sense that you may have an association with this organization; if so, please review conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Profanity/curse words

If I find statement in a page that contains a cuss word, profanity or any from the Seven dirty words, how do I determine if its unencyclopedic or not? Because curse words seem informal, I'm more inclined to remove them. But I wanted to ask first here. Thanks. HotTomatoe (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2020 (UTC) HotTomatoe (talk) 10:24, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

HotTomatoe Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Since Wikipedia is not censored for any reason, if the statement is a direct quote that you intend to use in an article, you don't need to do anything about it. 331dot (talk) 10:30, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Undeletion of Mary M. Wigg

Can someone please undelete the draft as we have new validated third party references as newspaper articles from her career? Artcadet (talk) 10:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Artcadet Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. To request undeletion, please visit WP:REFUND. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Artcadet Draft:Mary M. Wigg was deleted by Jimfbleak as a copyright violation. Wikipedia cannot access text directly copied, it needs to be in your own words. And admins (of which I'm not one) won't restore copyright violations- just create a new draft writing in your own words. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:01, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

As user:331dot I've made a request for undeletion as not a violation of copywright. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Artcadet (talk • contribs) 11:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Jerry B. Brown

This Wikipedia page was posted about me by another person. The reviewer declined the submission and posted a list of items that need to be addressed. As I am most familiar with the content is is appropriate for me to edit my own profile page? Or should I leave that to other to do? Aranthama (talk) 11:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Aranthama Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The page you refer to is a draft; it is less problematic for an article subject to edit a draft about themselves, but it is still discouraged per the autobiography policy. If you meet the criteria for a Wikipedia article, it is best to let independent editors write it. If there are changes you would like to make to the draft, you may do so as long as they are well sourced to independent reliable sources. If the draft is accepted and formally placed in the encyclopedia, you should avoid directly editing it in most cases, but you may make formal edit requests.

I might suggest that you read about a Wikipedia article is not necessarily a good thing for any person. 331dot (talk) 11:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia access

How can i get Wikipedia on the net. Christophermusenzejr (talk) 11:55, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Aren't you on the net right now? Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 12:21, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Yes! @Christophermusenzejr: you're looking at it on the Net right now. Did you actually mean to ask that?

On an unrelated note, this is the first time I've seen a veteran Wikipedian forget to sign their post. Nudge nudge. Le Panini (^{Talk to}_me?) 12:25, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Getting a page published help!

Hi, I've been trying to get a page approved. It got rejected once and I resubmitted it 26 days ago but it's still in the waiting queue I hope? I've never edited on Wikipedia before so don't know if I've done things correctly, just wanted confirmation it was going to be reviewed by an editor at some stage. This is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Linda_Merrick 146.199.96.253 (talk) 12:37, 5 November 2020 (UTC)