User talk:ChildofMidnight

The Bacon Challenge 2010 was a massive success with four Good Articles (GAs) produced, lots of photographs and an illustrious porkasmorg of DYKs for National Pig Day on March 1... and in dribs and drabs after as even more DYKs keep coming, so keep your eyes peeled for more bacon. The final scoring for the (first ever) Bacon WikiCup 2010 are still being tabulated. And the Bacon Challenge 2011 has officially kicked off for sign-ups and new bacon article idea submissions!!!

The prophetic view of a heavenly-anointed master of rhetorical interaction and richochetotry (aka Proofreader77)

Rhetorical verse in Shakespearean sonnet form — noting that when someone knows enough about rhetoric to know where the knobs are, he or she can attempt to turn it down, but not before. {serious smile}

Midnight Comes

{CoM.001.01} ____ WHEN GANGS OF BULLIES gather, Midnight comes
{CoM.001.02} ____ destabilizing bullshit with her own.
{CoM.001.03} ____ The truth is wasted on the nasty bums
{CoM.001.04} ____ who fill up "ad hoc firing squads" well known ...

{CoM.001.05} ____ ... at ANI — which gives the vile a role
{CoM.001.06} ____ with T-shirts marked "community" to wear.
{CoM.001.07} ____ Decision on the facts is not the goal.
{CoM.001.08} ____ Humiliation is. No, not "what's fair."

{CoM.001.09} ____ Some vague aspersion cast is made to stick
{CoM.001.10} ____ by snowball bullshit that's then packed on top.
{CoM.001.11} ____ Antagonizing target till they're sick
{CoM.001.12} ____ with social blows which no one will make stop.

{CoM.001.13} ____ THEN ChildofMidnight comes and says: FUCK THAT!
{CoM.001.14} ____ (No matter if you're Wales or Bureaucrat.)

I have had tears of joy come to my eyes frying an egg remembering ChildofMidnight in action — defending someone while they slept, leaving them safe from harm until they arrived, and found nothing they needed to do. The horror had past. And by the way, God Herself sent me here to say this, ladies and gentlemen. Have a care with ChildofMidnight — Judgment Day comes ... sooner than you think. {Serious smile}
-- Proofreader77 ^(interact) 10:15, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Users [and beyond] who endorse this summary:

1. God
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3. Guardian angel, Oh Mi (on loan from Proofreader77 who has 11 more)
4. <Additional signatories removed to protect the innocent and not so innocent>

The Barnstar of Integrity For balancing the scales amidst the flames. Proofreader77 (talk) 21:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

In Other News

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU to everyone who participated in Doughnut Drive 2009!!!! There are still a lot of holes in our coverage, but a lot of progress was made in ringing up some great content fillings!!! Is there anything they can't do?

Apples are said to be good for the heart and are used to make Æbleflæsk

Sign in drive 2009: Please leave your mark on the signature page

Stuff

• Windsor school history (google book source) [1] Recommneds closing winsor
• plans for a school[2]
• Page 3888 [3] Otis Elevator add for Woolworth building work
• [4] page 90 notes source with pics
• Frederick Douglass school history [5]
• Pendretti family [6]

For later

James W. McLaughlin, Cincinnati [7]. [8], [9], [10] Wayne County Courthouse [11]
Thomas D. McLaughlin Lima, Ohio [12] McLaughlin

• Coburn [13] [14]

Working on

• Cudahy Packing Company
• Greater Omaha Packing Company?
• Mallika Badrinath?
• Burgers’ Smokehouse Very notable California, Missouri smoked meat producer dating to the 1920s [15], [16]
• Nueske’s Applewood Smoked Meats Very notable and renowned bacon supplier in Wisconsin. [17] "HOG HEAVEN BACON LOVERS AGREE: NUESKE'S FROM WISCONSIN IS THE BEST" and [18]
• Architects [19]

Ta-da!

		The Surreal Barnstar
		For effectively having a one-way conversation with yourself here, then actually coming out with productive additions to the article whilst replying to your own comments without the insight of others. Bravo! ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 01:25, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

It should be noted that according to the "true stories of hauntings across America" book, his Geiser Grand Hotel is quite haunted. Just saying. Thanks! ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:00, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Ah, I never believed in those superstitious shenanigans...but of course, I'm probably asking for a phantom to haunt me tonight if there are any. Wish me luck. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 03:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, without delving into the supernatural, I was able to locate a source that credits him with the hotel. So it's all tied together now. All that's needed is a nice ribbon bow. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:59, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

What better a way to make a grand debut than a DYK nomination. Only needs about 220 more characters of prose or so to meet the 1,500 character requirement. Or perhaps you were planning this already? Hmm... ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 04:04, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

If you always talk to yourself, you never lose an argument (if you do, than there are other issues). Hey CoM, how about a road trip to Nova Scotia, meet you in Vegas, of course you would have the whining pug on your lap and would be a giant furball by the time we got there, but I-40 is a great place to lay low until the heat is off, and trust me, Nova Scotia has NO heat this time of year. Rock on....--kelapstick (talk) 04:06, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

What about the return trip? I-40 is a great place for truckers and ummmmm glory... ummm cough cough. well you know. or maybe you don't ;) Anyway, I'm not sure I can make it to Vegas in time and I would want to sight see, so I'm sure I'd just slow you down. Drive safe though. No hurry. And make sure to stop and stretch your legs often and to get plenty of rest along the way. Vaya con Dios amigo mio. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:20, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Brilliant barnstar award, quality conversation, only ever one outcome, strong support. Off2riorob (talk) 00:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Camp Angel

I give up. Just a bunch of peaceniks. Time to get back to the Governors. Nobody could accuse them of being that. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:22, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

• Thank you for pointing me to an interesting cluster, including a notable librarian. There are more subjects in the cluster, more that are connected to it, and these ones could use a lot more content (particularly Kermit and the press), so it is not "done" by any means. Interesting. Thanks. Aymatth2 (talk) 12:59, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Please visit my pages here. Lucy Skywalker (talk) 22:49, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Another hilarious YouTube video

link Grundle2600 (talk) 19:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm speechless. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah - it's that good! Grundle2600 (talk) 01:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Hey Grundle, if you're curious about how Wiki's work how they get started, a few people are trying to start their own at Neutralpedia. Having missed the early days of Wikipedia it seems like an interesting endeavor and is a way to get some perspective and to reflection on how a Wiki can or should be organized, how it can and should be administrated etc. Anyway, I think it's kind of neat. Whether it's a worthwhile effort or has any chance of being successful I have no idea. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:33, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks for telling me about that. It seems like a great idea, if it can get off the ground. But I doubt it will ever catch on in a big way, or be anywhere nearly as well read and popular as the original wikipedia. Grundle2600 (talk) 21:26, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

National Pig Day DYKs

DYK for cheese dream

On March 1, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article cheese dream, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 12:11, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Nueske’s Applewood Smoked Meats

On March 1, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Nueske’s Applewood Smoked Meats, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Ucucha 18:03, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Burgers’ Smokehouse

On March 2, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Burgers' Smokehouse, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Ucucha 00:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

re Congratulations

Thank you, and to you as well! :) Cirt (talk) 00:41, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

National Pig Day gallery

These photos were uploaded as part of the Bacon Challenge 2010

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  "Pig candy"
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  Chicken burger and bacon in Edinburgh
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  Bacon sushi
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  "The Leaning Tower of Bacon"
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  Bacon peanut brittle
• Bacon Krispy Kreme burger
  Bacon Krispy Kreme burger
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  Bacon nigirizushi
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  Bacon wrapped turkey
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  Bacon-themed dinner
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  Bacon-wrapped banana
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  Vegan_Bacon maple french toast cupcakes
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  Bacon materializer
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  Peanut butter and bacon sandwich
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  Bacon, leek, tomato and garlic casserole
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  Bacon cornbread
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  Bacon lollipops
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  Bacon and ricotta pizza
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  Freeze-dried bacon bars
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  International Bacon Day symbol
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  Bacon wrapped scallops
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  Veggie bacon breakfast
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  Bacon apple pie
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  Egg and bacon pie with chips
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  Bacon pie shell
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  Bacon-wrapped scallop
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  Raw bacon
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  "Stuffed burger"
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  Breakfast with bacon in Scotland
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  Danish bacon cooking
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  Pig fat and biodiesel
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  Bio-blend tanker
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  Sleeping Guinea hog
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  British Saddleback sow
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  British Saddleback boar
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  Bacon pancakes
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  Bacon and cheese okonomiyaki
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  Baguette french toast with bacon, caramelised apples and apple syrup
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  Spaghetti omelet with bacon
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  Bacon and cabbage
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  Stir fried cabbage and bacon
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  Chocolate covered bacon prepared by one of Wikipedia's own (who's now taken to studying Mongolian BBQ)
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  Bacon sandwich
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  Chocolate bacon cupcake
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  Pineapple bacon cheeseburger
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  Jeju Black Pig
• Butterball Turkey Bacon Package
  Butterball Turkey Bacon Package
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  Packaged Smoked Bacon
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  Three strips of cooked turkey bacon
• Package of Oscar Mayer Turkey Bacon
  Package of Oscar Mayer Turkey Bacon
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  Turkey bacon cooking in skillet

National Pig Day/Bacon Wikicup

Congratulations, CoM! In the words of Samuel F. B. Morse: "What hath God wrought?" Geoff ^{Who, me?} 02:30, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

If you're fond of the idea...

... of me tweaking the images on your userpage, then feel free to continue tweaking mine. If not, reserve your userpage creativity for you own. Thanks, Lara 03:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Wait, that edit was saved? Thanks for fixing it. Why were those woodchucks nibbling on each other anyway? Seemed very strange. Maybe you want to "borrow" something tasteful from the gallery above? Which photos on my userpage do you think need changing? I'm always open to suggestions. Do you think the MC Hammer Doll should be bigger? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

They are Prairie Dogs. They greet each other by touching teeth as a means of identifying each other. Unsurprisingly, Wikipedia has missed that fact. Anyway, the images and poems that I put on my page are for a specific reason and they go together. Not sure what compels you to play with the image on my page and be shocked with the result of clicking the [save page] button after typing out a mischievous edit summary, but maybe don't do it anymore. I haven't seen the photos of your userpage, so look elsewhere for suggestions about that. If I have any suggestions for you, it is simply "decaf." Lara 03:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't drink coffee. But I love coffee ice cream and coffee milkshakes. Yesterday I had some good frozen yogurt in various exotic flavors with all sorts of toppings, for what that's worth. For someone bold enough to put their middle finger up on their user page, you seem a little touchy about good faith and well intentioned "updates". I take it you're not part of any kind of commune? Thanks for the info on prairie dogs, that's interesting. Do you think they can really tell each other's teeth apart? Seems weird. Maybe it's a breath check of some sort? Kind of like in certain culture's where people ask, "have you eaten"? I wonder what Grundle makes of this scenario. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:50, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Bold enough to put the finger on my page and bold enough to keep it there. I thought you were just playing around, cutting and pasting the file name of the previous image over the current image, entering an edit summary, and then accidentally saving without realizing? Oh, the confusion... Maybe things will be less complicated if you relegate your "updates" to your own page, as I said. Maybe also feign ignorance less. Doesn't suit you.

There are weirder ways to greet. Dogs sniff each others' asses. Plus, weirdness is subjective. Lara 05:58, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't feign anything, but I do joke good naturedly with friends. My apologies for having offended you with my playfulness. I will not touch your userpage again. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

link to info on prairie dog teeth touching. Grundle2600 (talk) 01:04, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

First Presbyterian

No, sorry. I was on my way with family members to a wedding in the next county north of Napoleon, and I had a hard time persuading the driver even to go the two blocks to the church. Nyttend (talk) 04:19, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Wedding went okay; the bride was a relatively new member of the church in which I grew up, while the groom was from another church in my denomination in Maryland. And thanks for the photo compliments; you may have noticed that Jameslwoodward modified it tonight at my request — the original is File:First Presbyterian Church, Napoleon.jpg. I just wish I could have gotten it with blue sky, but that day was quite bland. I've never been to Henry County except on that day, so it's not as if I could easily go back to get a picture on a better day. And I wondered whether you'd be interested in the architect, so I ran "Wachter" in the architect query from Elkman and found nothing other than First Presbyterian. Wonder why I didn't find these other buildings? Nyttend (talk) 04:49, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Just wanted to let you know that I'm beginning an article on another DeCurtins church — St. John the Baptist Catholic Church (Maria Stein, Ohio), listed on the NRHP as "Maria Stein Catholic Church and Rectory". Nyttend (talk) 23:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

No, it's in a Notepad file on my hard drive. I hadn't checked my watchlist in a while, so tonight's Wikipedia time has been otherwise occupied. Nyttend (talk) 04:47, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

By the way, if you want to see something funny, look at Wikipedia:AN#This_is_what_happens... Nyttend (talk) 04:48, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for checking with Giano. As you may have seen, the article is now online. Today's mail included nomination forms for six of the Cross-Tipped Churches: Holy Family, St. Louis, and St. Nicholas in Darke County, and St. Michael, St. Patrick, and St. Remy in Shelby County. I'm planning to start soon on the Shelby County churches, but I'm going to wait until I get access to a good Darke County history volume (not currently on Google Books) before I work on its churches. Nyttend (talk) 19:19, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion for two bacon-related articles?

Bacon Academy and its founder Pierpont Bacon? —Ed (talk • majestic titan) 04:29, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, where I am there are still 2 plus hours left of National Pig Day, so you're welcome to launch a Pierpont Bacon article for this year's challenge. Otherwise, there are 365 days until next year's event. :) The existing article on Bacon Academy look pretty well established, unless you think you can fatten it up 5x? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:40, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Cudahy Packing Company

On March 2, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Cudahy Packing Company, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits your article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 12:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

This made me think of you

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hitler bacon, on the cusp of deletion, but it apparently exists and has an interesting backstory.--Milowent (talk) 14:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

User:Sky Attacker/Bacon WikiCup 2010

• User:Sky Attacker/Bacon WikiCup 2010

Let's not make changes to the scoring methodology in the very last time period of this contest. Cirt (talk) 20:05, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Agreement on this, from Drmies (talk · contribs) [20]. Cirt (talk) 20:08, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

You're probably right, but Superhamster and I did discuss the scoring on his talkpage. My feeling was that this work is so much more important than that carried out in the WikiCup competition that the scoring should be adjusted appropriately. If the extra zeros are a major problem I can revert. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Drmies (talk · contribs) and I both disagree. This change might have merit, but should not be done at this very late stage in the event. Cirt (talk) 20:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay, no worries. It didn't affect the actual scoring, just how large the numbers are, but if you and Doc object I will yield. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:11, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. No worries, Cirt (talk) 20:13, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Indeed, no worries. You have to appreciate, though, that I care about grade inflation from a professional standpoint. Drmies (talk) 02:45, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

To investigate (merge somehwere?)

User:ChildofMidnight/My Jewel ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Workshop talk

Hello. I don't know if you've seen this Workshop talk page. I think it would help your case if you made some type of considered response there, even if it's just to say that you've noted the discussion. Jonathunder (talk) 22:37, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll have a look. Honestly, I don't know where to begin in addressing all the smears, lies, distortions, hypocrisy, policy violations, conflicts of interest, and other issues related to that monstrosity. Harassment, baiting, and trolling are certainly at the core of the problem. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I've read the discussion. It's nice to see some of the usual good faith editors seeking solutions when difficulties arise. And then there other characters involved whose actions give me cause to avoid any involvement in that circus. It is a good demonstration of just how unhealthy Wikipedia is at the mo. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

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Just dropping by

Hi there ChildofMidnight. I saw that LadyofShalott userfied Mermaid problem for you, which is perfectly fine with me. I was just wondering, is there any reason you didn't ask me? Generally, people ask the deleting admin for this sort of thing, so I wondered if there might be a backstory. I didn't do anything to make you avoid me, did I? NW (Talk) 23:51, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

No reason at all Nuke. In this instance it just didn't occur to me for some reason, and perhaps because LadyofShalott had specifically offered to move articles for me (at least I think she did) I went to her first. If you check her talk page you'll see I asked her about a couple of other deleted articles also.

Asking the admin who closed the AfD has usually been the way I do it and usually that works out just fine. I've had a couple of occasions where someone has been antagonistic or ignored the request, but I think it's probably a good idea to approach things that way. In this case, as I said, I just asked her because she had offered, and it wasn't even something I thought about, she just seemed like a good person to ask. :) I'm not even sure about recreation or how best to handle those articles (the one you closed and a couple others). I haven't even had a chance to review them much yet, and I don't think I was involved in any of the AfD discussions so they're all new subject to me. I saw them noted in various other places, the food and drink website, Milowent's website, and ummm not sure on the other one.

Anyway, I hadn't done a request for userfication in a while, so I guess I just forgot the routine. I do think the last time I requested one the admin gave me a hard time and forced me to take it DRV, which was seemed like an unnecesairly confrontational route since it was something I just wanted userfied so I could give it consideration, so maybe subconsciously that's why I didn't think to look who closed the AfD, but truly it was not intentional or conscious and it most certainly didn't have anything to do with you, who've I've found to be collegial and respectful even on occasions where we disagree (which is how it should be and how other admins I respect (like LoS) handle themselves. And it's not even a case where I necessarily disagree with the outcome. I just wanted the opportunity to see what was there and if any of it could be useful. But I think you're question is spot on and that it's best to ask the closing admin and I will try to remember to do so in the future. How are things with you? I hope all is well. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:15, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Things have been going pretty well for me. Bit busy, but that's life, ain't it? :) If I remember correctly, the Great Bacon Challenge 2010 was just held, right? How did that end up going? NW (Talk) 00:28, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

It went well Nuke. A little muddy this year, but I don't think anyone minded frolicking in the slop. :) Many articles went up during the challenge, several DYKs ran yesterday for National Pig Day and a bunch more of tardy ones are working there way through the queue now. We had a lot more participants this time, lots of photo uploads, Cirt worked up some GAs (which was a first), and there was a Bacon Wiki Cup that's still being scored (results are due after the 7th), so it's been pretty neat.

There's a link at the top of this page if you want to have a look. And I set up a page for the next challenge (which starts immediately) if you want to beat the rush and get in early. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

You aren't going by NW because of the Nuke thing are you? I think it's a nice name. The ultimate deterrent. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:01, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, Cirt pulling these GAs out of his hat. Another nice example of administrator abuse--they should stick some of those little green labels on my articles. Oh, the tardy ones, yes that's me. Sorry again. Drmies (talk) 05:01, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I think NW is trying out for N.W.A. Drmies (talk) 05:02, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

"Good" is not an adjective I would use in connection with any article about Claw Boys Claw, that advertorial for some Shakespearean newsletter you're trying to hype, or those spammy advertorials for imitation bacon substances. And why are you the only one trying to push bacon boundaries with these Yankee elitist "Bacons"? Tsk tsk tsk. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:05, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Dude, they were abolitionists! You should be proud of me, overcoming my racist heritage! And the Shakespearean newsletter is actually an anti-Shakespearean newsletter, since one of their kin proposes that Mary Sidney wrote what we mainstream idiots think of as written by "Shakespeare." Drmies (talk) 05:12, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

"His attitudes toward African-Americans was described as "patronizing...at best". (And it should be his attitudes were, but that's what happens when there are no standards or competition in public education).

It may be noble that he and the Kennedy clan were ahead of their time in wanting servants rather than slaves for their massive mansions, but my standards are higher than that separate but equal stuff that passes for okay down on the plantation and out in the Hamptons. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:22, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

<--Why are you singling out the Kennedys? Why not keep it modern and mention that great southern statesman Trent Lott? or Wallace, who actually claimed that he was cool cause he had a black friend? Anyway, let's keep it real: I made lardons out of salt pork tonight, for a wilted salad. Now, the smell of salt pork cooking isn't very good--but those lardons, with a warm vinaigrette, man it was good...dare I say it? better than bacon. I just said it. Drmies (talk) 02:43, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of James W. McLaughlin

Hello! Your submission of James W. McLaughlin at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Calmer Waters 02:54, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

I note the same regular suspects put Hitlerszalonna up for deletion, ignoring WP:BEFORE. *sigh*

		The Article Rescue Barnstar
		The Rescue Barnstar is awarded to people who rescue articles from deletion. This can be independent of or in cooperation with the Article Rescue Squadron. This barnstar is awarded to ChildofMidnight for his work in saving Hitlerszalonna. Wikipedia needs more editors like you. Okip 06:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks very much. Milowent deserves most of the credit. Malleus helped also. Nyttend gave the article a chance. And even LoS got in on the action. :) It still needs some work... but hopefully we can get some Huns to have a look. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 06:35, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Cleaning up bare URLs

Thank you for adding description to the bare URLs on Hitlerszalonna. Note, though, that it is best to give as much information as possible when replacing a bare URL, including author, title, publication, date, etc. if available, as well as the URL. That way the reference may still be tracked down and used for verification if the original page moves or is taken off the web. See also Wikipedia:Linkrot. Cheers, Cnilep (talk) 19:56, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Roger, roger. Unfortunately it's not a quality link to begin with, but I thought it worth including anyway. We need to track down some Huns to help with that article. Thanks for the courteous note. I will try to better. :) I half-expected that link to get removed anyway, so I didn't want to spend a whole lot of time on it. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:01, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Yep, that's why I didn't bother cleaning any of them. I've done that one now. Cnilep (talk) 20:11, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

User:ChildofMidnight/Mermaid problem

Ooh. You merging, or fixing up for recreation?

TBH I was a bit miffed by that deletion, seeing as WP:OR was a reason given for deletion I'd just added sources showing it wasn't. Artw (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't know exactly how to proceed, but I thought there was a better chance of the material being usefully reincluded if I at least stowed it in my userspace. :) What do you think should be done with it? The synthesis concern seems valid to me, but the content is well sourced and interesting. I'm not sure yet quite what to do with it and am open to ideas. :) I also haven't had a chacne to look into the article extensively yet. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:09, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

TBH I think any article recreation is going to be so heavily opposed it's not worth doing - salvaging the lede and merging it into the main mermaid article might be worthwhile though. Artw (talk) 22:34, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

I asked Malleus what he thinks. So hopefully he and perhaps his talkpage stalkers will weigh in. Merging some bits to Mermaid is one way to go. Is there a broader subject that would work? Conundrums in mythology? :) I'm going to think on it, but if you or anyone else have your own ideas and want to run with it please be my guest. I think anything that preserves the history and includes more of the content appropriately would be helpful. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Articles like this gem from 1947 might be of some help. Amusingly, the headline above the copy says "Problem That Is Facing 16 Nations In Western Europe" but it's quite obvious that the headline got swapped with the James Marlow story about the Marshall Plan on the same page. Personally, I think the OR claims were slightly overblown but I'd be more likely to suggest review if the term was more widespread. - Dravecky (talk) 23:56, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

• Thomas, Bob (December 30, 1947). "Problem: How to Create a Mermaid". The Owosso Argus-Press. Associated Press. Retrieved March 2, 2010.

An option would be to rework the article as: Mermaid morphology. I started an article on mythological conundrum, and some of it might fit there, but the new article is a bit of a mess so far. :) I'll add that cite to the article in userspace so it's not lost. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I did some brainstorming with Malleus and Iridescent. They didn't seem to think it had much potential. But my thoughts so far are that it may be possible to have an article on:

• mermaid morphology
• mythological animal morphology
• Anatomy of mythological creatures

or to integrate into the mess of an article on Mythological conundrums I created. (I think there may be a subject there somewhere with sources, but I haven't found it yet). So it's an uphill effort so far, but I'm hoping that a great inspiration will arise in an epiphany or, better yet, someone else will come up with a good idea? ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:59, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Climate change denial

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This seems to have been nominated because climate alarmism was deleted. It's sunny and mild here (not that I've been outside as much as I should). I've been been working on other subjects. But if anyone wants to bang their head against a wall, good luck dealing with the propagandists ruling that subject area. ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:28, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

architect infobox

If you do anymore architect bios you can use this infobox -- 114.182.186.52 (talk) 04:25, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

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The RfC on the Community de-Adminship proposal has begun

The RfC on the Community de-Adminship proposal was started on the 22nd Feb, and it runs for 28 days. Please note that the existing CDA proposal was (in the end) run as something of a working compromise, so CDA is still largely being floated as an idea.

Also note that, although the RfC is in 'poll format' (Support, Oppose, and Neutral, with Comments underneath), this RfC is still essentially a 'Request for Comment'. Currently, similar comments on CDA's value are being made under all three polls.

Whatever you vote, your vote is welcome!

Regards, Matt Lewis (talk) 10:33, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas D. McLaughlin

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Gatoclass 12:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Gato. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:24, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Photo requests?

I'm to be travelling for a couple days to Bloomington, Indiana, with a likely stop in Rushville to photograph the house of Wendell Willkie. I don't know the way that I'll be coming back, but I may be able to go through Franklin or Shelbyville. Any photo requests? As usual, can't promise anything in the smaller communities, but I'll likely have plenty of time in Bloomington. Nyttend (talk) 16:21, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Here are some "walking tours" for Bloomington. For instance here's the courthouse square one. I can't think of any architects from there and didn't come across any in a quick search. But those sources seem useful for building groupings and include maps. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:26, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay, thanks; I just got online for the first time. I got some of the Bloomington NRHP listings when I was here in November, including the courthouse square, so I didn't go over there today; instead, I walked this route and then around campus a good deal. Any wonder why my feet are tired now? I'm hoping to get out to other parts of the city before we leave tomorrow; maybe I'll get over by the courthouse again. Nyttend (talk) 01:41, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Well, schedule changed: I was in Bloomington with a family member who had meetings there; the meetings finished last night instead of this morning, meaning that we left early this morning — thus (1) I didn't have time to get pictures in Bloomington this morning, and (2) we had time to take a detour to downtown Greenville, Ohio and get some pictures there, including the old Carnegie library. Photos will be up in the next day or two. Nyttend (talk) 20:21, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Re: Bacon Deluxe

Hey, no problem... I liked the article - made me feel a bit hungry... :-) GregorB (talk) 18:14, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

To do

My search for answers has taken me far afield... Here are some notes.

Harry Wachter's buildings on pages 50, 65, and 83 (The Cratz House) are interesting. I can't find anything on Charles Crosby Miller despite his supposedly designing all the major buildings in Toledo (or some such thing).

I've discovered that Hungarian architecture has no article and Architecture of Hungary redirects to categories (which seems unhelpful).

Some photos I came across suggest Imre Makovecz and Odon Lechner (1845-1914) have done some interesting work. Here's aninteresting church by the former. And if anyone is wondering what this has to do with bacon, please don't forget Szalonna, the town and the bacon. And in fact it's the double pitched roof in the town photo that has sent me on this insane quest... ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:57, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

The Reformed church of Szalonna (town)

First Presbyterian Church, Napoleon Ohio

William Morris's Red House is said to be Craftsman architecture and has some similar features

• traditional buildings with double-pitched rooflines
• And in case there's an Austro-Hungarian connection there's Friedensreich Hundertwasser

John Virginius Bennes

Although I've not left a comment at T:TDYK, someone else likely will: the article is too short. By my count, the article currently has 1456 characters of prose text — as you may remember, text in the lists doesn't count toward the total. Nyttend (talk) 23:50, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

I'll have to add something about him being very very very very etc. notable. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:55, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the fixes at St. John's Church, especially the comment; I should have thought to say something about the architectural style in the intro. You may also be interested in Holy Family Catholic Church (Frenchtown, Ohio), which I just finished a little bit ago. Nyttend (talk) 01:42, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest in my picture of the Cornelius Hotel in Portland. You can find my answer on my page to keep the discussion together. --Eaaumi (talk) 01:58, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Bennes also credited with Broadway Hotel [21], [22] ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:54, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

• Source with list of Portland buildings by architect
• PDF with quite a bit about Bennes [23], Emporis listings for Bennes [24] Hot Lake Sanitarium near LaGrande? (asourced to PDF) The Venable Hotel (Hamilton Hotel)?
• Emporis listings for Morris H. Whitehouse [25] Who designed Temple Beth Israel (Portland)?

Fearful question

How do they know what it tastes like? Geoff ^{Who, me?} 22:38, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Just try cleaning a lot of it off. It gets everywhere, including up your nose and into your mouth. Although you're probably getting it off with white spirit and tasting that just as much. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:50, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

This isn't what it sounds like

Hi Com, I popped in from my break to look up some information on outdoor children's games. I ran across this one, Poohsticks, and wondered if you've heard of it? Shinerunner (talk) 23:19, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

I've never heard that name used, but "boat races" with sticks such is definitely a popular childhood tradition. I prefer to work my way slong the shore and let my "boat" go somewhere upstream upon choosing a finish-line down stream. Then you run along with your craft and root it on as it faces eddys and other obstacles. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:10, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

I believe the activity predates Pooh, so I would use a broader name like boat races or stick boat racing. And it seems there are the basic stick boat races and ones with constructed boats.

THE STICK BOAT RACE by John W Townsend January 05, 2010

I stood by the river

following it flow,

throwing in stick boats

watching them go.

Under hanging branches

pass the grassy banks

racing under bridges

navigating shallow beds,

there go the stick boats

moving at a pace

changing their positions

in the river race.

source

• Whoa, are you all kidding?? You don't know Pooh sticks? It is a GREAT game, very relaxing, and I am glad to see we have an article on it. Drmies (talk) 21:22, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Not everything in my life is named after Disney characters Doc. Did you read the above? Sarah Palin and I have lives oustide of frivolous popular culture and distorted mainstream media influences. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:23, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Eh...Palin has a life? I thought she was a cartoon character. Drmies (talk) 21:27, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Rocky, Bullwinkle & Palin? ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:29, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

ArbComm

Hey, are you following the proceedings there? My name was brought up by another editor as someone who could maybe work with you within certain proposed remedies, and I have just made an offer regarding a similar one. What do you think? LadyofShalott 21:24, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

It looks like the decision is being rendered. ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

That does not mean it is too late for you to comment. However, if you don't do it soon, it looks like it will be. If you want anything short of a year-long ban for you to come about, please comment there on alternate proposals ASAP. I'm writing as someone who thinks you make many good contributions to the encyclopedia, and I'd like to help you continue to be able to do so. LadyofShalott 05:09, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't know where to begin as far as commenting on that monstrosity LoS. I edit in good faith. I do a lot of article work. I contribute at AfD, in spurts at new page patrol, and am collegial with dozens of editors of all different viewpoints. But there are people here who simply can't tolerant those who don't see things their way. That kind of hateful pettiness is sad, but no one has the right to hound or bully those who don't share their opinions.

I am outspoken when I see abuse and while I don't hold grudges, I think Ncmvocalist's investigation of my block log was telling as far as my being on the receiving end of lots of improper admin actions. But that evidence is being ignored because it doesn't comport with the outcome desired by those driving this arbitration effort. I expect any attempt I make to correct the record as far as my editing history goes to also be ignored.

Do you really think those trying to silence me will be discouraged from continuing to do so if I point out how abusive and hypocritical they are being? Would calling out the bullies be helpful at this point?

Clearly I have pissed off some of the powers that be and they are using the arb hearing as an opportunity to come after me.

An admin's bad block was overturned, another admin made very uncivil comments about me during that process and then filed an arb proceeding even though there was no dispute. Arbs whose inappropriate behavior I've pointed out previously have led the charge in using the filing as an opportunity to come after me (and have failed to recuse or even note their prior conflicts). And of course there has also been a long term smear campaign against me by disruptive trolls who want have a history of harassing those they disagree with instead of using dispute resolution and working towards consensus.

Efforts at intimidation and censorship are disgusting, and I will never be silent in the face of this kind of dishonest corruption. Other than continuing to be outpoken about the rot, there's not much else I can do about it.

If someone has an issue with me or concerns about any of my comments they are most welcome to communicate with me respectfully. We haven't seen much that because those coming after me don't want to communicate with me or to reach an accord, they want to get rid of me and for me to be quiet.

Have you ever seen Ryan Postthwaite post a concern here? Newyorkbrad? Nope. When Coren was bullying a good faith editor I called him out on it, so now he's coming after me. I think that kind of behavior is pretty sick, but maybe it's "human nature" for some people. I'm certainly not going to kowtow to individual bullies or a pack of them. I'm at peace with trying to do the right thing and standing up to impropriety when I see it occurring.ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:37, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion

Hello ChildofMidnight. I fully respect that I may not be the person you want to hear off most at this point in time but I wanted to make a suggestion to you. I see from your contributions you've been concentrating hard on articles - you seem to be doing some very good work. Why don't you write a note on the proposed decision page of your request for arbitration and state that you respect that there have been issues with your past conduct, that you apologise for them and that in the future you're going to make a real effort to act in a more collegial way with others. The two proposed remedies don't look good at the minute for you - one is a ban and one is an extremely severe editing restriction. If you do what I've suggested, I for one will campaign to have your editing restrictions reduced significantly and I expect others will as well. We all respect your work on articles, we just want you to work a little better with others - you have the potential to be on of our best editors here. Ryan Postlethwaite^{See the mess I've created or let's have banter} 22:49, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Ryan I have always devoted myself to constructive article edits and constructive input on various noticeboards and project pages. There's no question that I get frustrated at times and am sometimes overly direct in calling out foul play, as I've acknowledged previously (despite the misrepresentations made by you and Bigtimepeace in your statements and "evidence").

Dealing with abuse and incivility, especially when it comes from admins, is very taxing and it's not something I enjoy. But we've lost some very talented editors as a result of improper behavior, and I think it's important to make sure all editors are treated with respect and according to our policies. There's a lot of hypocrisy and arrogance here and it's very important that we confront it and get everyone to engage in collegial cooperation. Misconduct by those in positions of power isn't useful in building an encyclopedia.

If you'd like to apologize for your "drama loving troll" comments that would probably be appropriate. But you seem like a decent fellow, so I'm not too worried about it one way or the other. Sometimes people get flustered and do stupid things. I haven't seen a pattern of misconduct and incompetence from you, and you seem generally to be a good guy and a good editor, so I'm hoping your recent comments and abusive Arbcom report were just aberrations. Certainly following up on a bad block with an arbcom filing that includes a heap of distortions and mispresentations isn't a good look for you. That kind of thing is very disruptive, especially where there is no dispute between us. It certainly instigated a pile on from some of the trolls and abusive personalities that have been coming after me for a long time, but that's life. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

In your response made Ryan the focus of this interaction, but it is not he who is the problem. AGK 01:05, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Bacon vs. sharks

Has bacon jumped the shark? Leah Zeldes wants to know. - Dravecky (talk) 04:02, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

The video for the bacon rocket has a catchy little tune.Shinerunner (talk) 14:28, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

"Bacon and rocketry, in perfect harmony..." Geoff ^{Who, me?} 15:08, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

I didn't know if you've seen the Republic of Bacon series [26] on You Tube.Shinerunner (talk) 17:05, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

The bacon rocket endeavor looked like a very interesting learning experience. I think the term jumped the shark jumped the shark, and I like the idea of an anthem, but I think that one needs work. I have a "list of micronation national anthems" in my userspace, I think, that might be a good starting point... Bacon still seems to be going strong. I tried to sidetrack people with doughnut/donuts, but bacon still seems to be the thing that sizzles. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:42, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

I agree the anthem was weak, some of the related commercials gave me a chuckle.Shinerunner (talk) 15:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

It's an important starting point, anyway, for bacon nation. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:08, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

An award

		The Surreal Barnstar
		It's like, say, a white chocolate bacon bar. Sure, not everyone is going to love it, but it sure is a special flavor. Drmies (talk) 15:06, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Doc. I'm not sure what this is about though? Also, I'm of the opinion that there is no chocolate without cocoa. Nuts are okay though. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:39, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for James W. McLaughlin

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Materialscientist (talk) 18:02, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

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Message to the Grass Roots

You can see it here. My footnote was wrong; it's on page 3, not page 4. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 08:14, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Okay. I see it's noted in various sources on google books. The way it's written it seems like an organization and I had never heard of it and didn't see much on google news (only one recent link to a story) so I was concerned that it was vandalism. But I see that it's accurate. Additional notation of the organization of the event upfront might be helpful. That background is interesting. I also think the introduction could do a better job of laying out what was advocated in the speech. Isn't it a call for self reliance, independence, and black nationalism? An appeal to black pride and for empowerment as opposed to integration and assimilation? ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:19, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

LOL Yeah, something like that. Sometimes I get so bogged down in the details I forget about the big picture. Thanks. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 08:40, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

It's a very interesting speech, and I was happy to find an article about it. Thanks for creating it! ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:34, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK for

On 8 March, 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bacon Deluxe, which you recently nominated. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Materialscientist. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:46, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
		Awarded to ChildofMidnight. I am sure it would often have been better for all sides if you had altered your communication style to make it more conciliatory and less confrontational. But the fact remains that there have been notable situations (like the one just now) where you have been the only person to speak up with a missing perspective. For that reason, I will miss you around here, and look forward to your return. JN466 22:41, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Wow. Thanks very much. :) Yes, I'm not perfect, but I do my best. If everyone was willing to work collegially and respectfully I'm sure an accomodation could be reached, but there are many here who treat Wikipedia as an MMPORG and who play at politics instead of encyclopedia building. But I've enjoyed working with lots of editors on a wide range of subject and the vast majority have been friendly and helpful. The world and Wikipedia will never be perfect places, but we do what we can. Thank you for your kindness and courage in giving me this barnstar. I acknowledge being bitey now and again, but when there are dogs constantly yapping at your heels, it's hard to put down the stick. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:47, 8 March 2010 (UTC)