User talk:George Ho

I must confess that I want to socialize but am bad at it. I'm uncertain whether my moderate autism is related to it. Nevertheless, my social skills leaves a lot be desired. If a message is given to me, especially from a newcomer, I will do my best to be friendly and to avoid discouragement.

Further note, I relinquished my rights to edit "extended confirmed"-protected pages, so I cannot edit those pages at this time.

Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/The Rambling Man

An arbitration case regarding The Rambling man has now closed and the final decision is viewable at the link above. The following remedies have been enacted:

1. The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)'s resignation as an administrator is to be considered under controversial circumstances, and so his administrator status may only be regained via a successful request for adminship.
2. The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) is prohibited from insulting and/or belittling other editors. If The Rambling Man finds himself tempted to engage in prohibited conduct, he is to disengage and either let the matter drop or refer it to another editor to resolve. If however, in the opinion of an uninvolved administrator, The Rambling Man does engage in prohibited conduct, he may be blocked for a duration consistent with the blocking policy. The first four blocks under this provision shall be arbitration enforcement actions and may only be reviewed or appealed at the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. Should a fifth block prove necessary, the blocking administrator must notify the Arbitration Committee of the block via a Request for Clarification and Amendment so that the remedy may be reviewed. The enforcing administrator may also at their discretion fully protect The Rambling Man's talk page for the duration of the block.

   Nothing in this remedy prevents enforcement of policy by uninvolved administrators in the usual way.

3. The Rambling Man (talk · contribs) and George Ho (talk · contribs) are indefinitely prohibited from interacting with, or commenting on, each other anywhere on Wikipedia (subject to the ordinary exceptions).
4. George Ho (talk · contribs) is indefinitely restricted from participating in selecting main page content. For clarity, this means he may not participate in:

   1. Any process in which the content of the main page is selected, including Did you know?, In the news, On this day, Today's featured article, Today's featured list, and Today's featured picture.
   2. Any process in which possible problems with the content of the main page are reported, including WP:ERRORS and Talk:Main Page.
   3. Any discussion about the above processes, regardless of venue.

   He may edit articles linked from or eligible to be linked from the main page (e.g., the current featured article) and may participate in content review processes not directly connected to main page content selection (e.g., reviewing Featured article candidates). He may request reconsideration of this restriction twelve months after the enactment of this remedy, and every six months thereafter.

5. The community is encouraged to review the selection process for the Did you know and In the news sections of the main page. The community is also reminded that they may issue topic bans without the involvement of the Arbitration Committee if consensus shows a user has repeatedly submitted poor content, performed poor reviews, or otherwise disrupted these processes.

For the Arbitration Committee, Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 05:01, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/The Rambling Man

Interaction Ban Reminder

Hello,

I’m writing to remind you that as a result of the arbitration case that both you and The Rambling Man are prohibited from interacting with each other, barring the usual exceptions. Recently, you posted questions to the election pages of multiple candidates where you indirectly made reference to The Rambling Man. (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15) Please note that such comments are not permitted under the interaction ban and further instances will result in a block. Best regards, Mike V • Talk 22:59, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

I won't do that anymore for now, Mike. Shall I report this the next time it happens? Or can someone else do it? George Ho (talk) 23:51, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

If you are referring to a violation of the interaction ban, you can mention it another admin once. Otherwise, it would be best to avoid all discussion related to The Rambling Man. Mike V • Talk 23:55, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Shall I report his attempts to excuse himself to you, Mike? I felt unease when he made indirect references by saying "canvassing". I was prompted to ask questions when mentioned "canvassed". Is this his actions at the questions subpages excusable? George Ho (talk) 00:11, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

At this point, a warning has been made and I've encouraged him to leave things alone. I think that is sufficient for now. Mike V • Talk 00:26, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Just wanted to drop a note that, as a result of extensive community discussion and numerous issues, the warning issued above has been overturned. [1] Regards, The Wordsmith^{Talk to me} 22:36, 16 December 2016 (UTC)

Happy New Year, George Ho!

Happy New Year!

George Ho,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Mobile software

Just FYI ......the collapsed option is disabled in mobile view/app (for accessibility reason). Thus an article like Frank Sinatra the majority 2/3 (and growing) of viewers see the box expanded. I have decided not to join talks about infoboxes or answer questions about them at the help desk.....thus why a note here....as I thought you would like to know this fact so you dont waste time trying to change them all over .....as most readers see the box any-ways Or software developers understand accessibility concerns. --Moxy (talk) 17:47, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Moxy, I received the message from the other editor to leave the Sinatra box alone. Must I do that? --George Ho (talk) 20:22, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Would be best not to edit war of course...Review the old talks on the matter and if there is a new valid point to be made it should simply be done on the talk page. That said best bet would be to leave it alone and work on content or sourcing. This is a very odd debate that is contentions on both sides. -- Moxy (talk) 21:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

I did, Moxy, read most of it at Talk:Noël Coward/Archive 2 and Talk:Frank Sinatra. I also read the parent page of Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Infoboxes, which has not yet resulted in sanctions. Now I'm involved at Talk:Stanley Kubrick. --George Ho (talk) 21:13, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Frank Sinatra

Please desist in your disruptive behaviour on the above. It is neither wanted nor constructive. The collapsed version keeps both sides of the argument happy so I don't know why you want to shake the hornet's nest. Cassianto^Talk 20:10, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Don't worry, Cassianto. I'll not touch it the infobox if you don't want me to. I'll focus on the sources instead, which might need some updating. How's that? --George Ho (talk) 20:40, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

I don't particular care what else you do. Cassianto^Talk 20:53, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

From unknown (4 January 2017)

hello, i see that you edited the carrie fisher page. I wanted to reach out to give you the names of the fans who created the star. There were four main fans who started it and stood vigil by it for 6 days. It is actually still there even 8 days later. The fans names are jason thomas, vanessa Velez, ryan wiltberger and lavonne Dominguez. Thank you very much for all your hard work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1012:b06a:b89d:0:58:bfe4:2b01 (talk) 10:25, 4 January 2017‎ (UTC)

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Debbie Reynolds...Again

Hi George, Another editor and myself seem to be disagreeing over whether the article should begin

-Mary Frances "Debbie" Reynolds (DOB–DOD)....or

Debbie Reynolds (born Mary Frances Reynolds; DOB–DOD)....

I'm in favor of the latter because that's how I've seen it on most actors' profiles that used names other than their birth name. No one knows them by their birth name so tucking the professional name into it seems strange to me. Any suggestions or information would be most helpful. Clarawolfe (talk) 03:32, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Joel. Go to Talk:Debbie Reynolds and then discuss it. Okay? You can click "New section" tab there and start a newer discussion. Got it? --George Ho (talk) 05:23, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

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Michael Brown photo

It seems to have been a very inadequate discussion. Neither the participants nor the closing admin really understood the NFCC all that well, it seems.

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Use of Talk pages

Best to use { ping | to communicate with specific editors if you want them to see your Talk page comments. If you don't then they won't see them. In ictu oculi (talk) 12:48, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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Use of "SloKylie" and "mixKylie" as resources.

Hello! I am back after 3.5/4 years off of Wikipedia on a limited basis. I noticed on the talk page of the article Better than Today, an article that I contributed considerably to, you put up a notice about using "SloKylie" and "mixKylie" as resources. I personally do not feel like I've used either of these websites as citations to interpret the facts, rather I used mixKylie for their vast database of single/album packaging images (I'm confident I haven't used SloKylie at all. If I have let me know). Considering there were similar practices being used to cite chart positions, would you still count that as actually using the websites themselves as a source? I'm curious. I haven't messaged you to defend my stance, more so to understand your view. Thank you. (This happened in 2014. If you don't remember, it's understandable!) I ^help_dןǝɥ I 05:52, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh... Thanks for the compliment, IHelpWhenICan. However, I merely substituted the "notice" template because Template:Kylie Minogue source warning was used in just one page. I had that template nominated for deletion, while I preserved the banner's content. But thank you. --George Ho (talk) 19:11, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

Oh... I think I created that... Well, that's funny. It was 5 years ago! What can I say! sorry for the confusion, Lol. I ^help_dןǝɥ I 20:08, 28 January 2017 (UTC)

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Happy Lunar New Year!

	Happy Lunar New Year!
	Hello George Ho, May you have success, prosperity, peace, love and good health on this Chinese New Year. Here's to another year of productive editing. Sending you a heartfelt and warm greetings for this new year. Kind regards, Lemongirl942 (talk) 14:41, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

I want to thank you for commenting on RMs and also for being one of the few editors on Wikipedia with knowledge about China/Hong Kong/Taiwan related articles. One of the things I appreciate about you is that you always post important RMs/RFCs/Merge discussions on the China/Hong Kong/Taiwan WikiProjects which can potentially help to gather more input. Thank you so much for your efforts. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 15:19, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Jim Kepner

Hello again. Since you were so helpful with Timmons, I was wondering if you would be interested in adding more references to improve Jim Kepner please? I think we could do a DYK...that Jim Kepner, the founder of the ONE National Gay & Lesbian Archives, was expelled from the Communist Party USA because he was gay?Zigzig20s (talk) 21:30, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Zigzig20s. I can improve the article if I have time. However, I can't do something that would put me under ArbCom scrutiny again. You're welcome to give me offers if you like, but be careful. --George Ho (talk) 21:41, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

RE: File:Strangedays.jpeg

I improved the "October 13" image and kept the same resolution as before. Thanks for the new image. --Niwi3 (talk) 22:56, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

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Re your message: I think it being transcluded in 1,000+ articles would qualify it for being high-risk. I also do not see any particular reason for the protection to be lowered as the template should be stable without much need for any editing. Is there a particular reason why you want it lowered? -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 04:53, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

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A Young Man's World

I restored the infobox and removed your comment. The infobox is a summary of info (see WP:LEADELEMENTS). There's no reason to remove it just because the info is in the body of the article, and there's nothing remotely contentious about using the film infobox in thos article. Your pre-emptive edit note that it should not be restored without discussion is not appropriate. The infobox is there for a reason, it has been in the article for a long time, and if you want to remove it I believe it is up to you to take it to the talk page and get consensus to do so. Meters (talk) 19:48, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

@Meters: I apologize for those comments I made earlier this month. Well, it's a belated apology. Anyway, I just got hung up by severely heated debates in RfC discussions about infoboxes in biographies. That was wrong of me to say a pre-emptive note about an infobox. From now on, I must be careful about making hidden comments to editors. By the way, I did add the infobox when the article was created. I could make a discussion about each infobox, but I fear the heat. --George Ho (talk) 12:00, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

I was just letting you know why I undid you. I would have recognized your name if I had run across you making similar edits before, so, no problems. I wasn't aware of the RFCs. Meters (talk) 18:19, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

@Meters: Here are Talk:Stanley Kubrick, Talk:Frank Sinatra, and Talk:Noël Coward. You can read them if you like. --George Ho (talk) 03:02, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes. I wonder whether you were aware of the ArbCom case three years ago. --George Ho (talk) 03:05, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

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Never Gonna Dance Again

You didn't get a response on the Help Desk.

I would say a song that actually has that title should be the primary topic and George Michael's should be a hatnote.

Oops. Neither song actually has that title.

So what do you want to do?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:07, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

@Vchimpanzee: Thanks for responding, and thank you for being bold and converting the page to a redirect to Careless Whisper. Best to accept the changes you made for now. Nevertheless, if the page is changed back and forth, we may take it to RFD someday. --George Ho (talk) 02:36, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Oops, should have thanked SNUGGUMS for it. --George Ho (talk) 02:37, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

Edward Leung Yiu-ming

Hi, George! About Edward Leung Yiu-ming, have you found two newspaper articles that are mostly or entirely about him? If so please let me know which articles so I can read them.

If you haven't found such articles, I suggest searching archives of the South China Morning Post and The Standard. WhisperToMe (talk) 08:04, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

@WhisperToMe: I tried finding this person from SCMP but found none there. Same for The Standard. BTW, here's Draft:Edward Leung Yiu-ming. George Ho (talk) 10:01, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

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File:A. A. Gill BBC 2012.jpg

Moved to File talk:A. A. Gill BBC 2012.jpg

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Hi George Ho. You uploaded File:A. A. Gill BBC 2012.jpg the day after Gill died in December 2016. Did you check around to see if there existed any freely licensed files of him or did you try and see if someone could create a freely licensed file of him? While item 10 of WP:NFCI does allowed files of deceased individuals to be used as the primary means of identification in biography articles, WP:NFCC#1 generally requires that all options be reasonably explored and that non-free use is not automatic simply because a person has died. For reference, this kind of thing was recently touched on at Wikipedia talk:Non-free content/Archive 67#Photographs of the deceased while they were living. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:23, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

@Marchjuly: Hey there. I checked at Flickr. None of them is commercially released nor is released with "Creative commons" license. I wanted to contact the person who created the other photo, but I didn't think that would be appropriate, given at the time of A. A. Gill's death. Shall I contact that person? If so, how do I ask that person to release it to Commons without saying something inappropriate, i.e. spiting a person's death just to obtain rights to share a photo? --George Ho (talk) 07:39, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Also, see Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2016 May 21#File:Reg Grundy 20 September 2010.jpg, which discussed two images, including File:Reg Grundy 20 September 2010.jpg. The Reg Grundy image was nominated two weeks after his death. The result was "no consensus" for the Grundy image only. --George Ho (talk) 07:43, 15 February 2017 (UTC); edited. 07:59, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

I am aware of the discussion and also remember how contentious it was. No one is suggesting that you need to get on the phone the minute after a person dies to see if their family, friends, etc. will agree to freely license an image. The question is how reasonable of an effort was made to find a freely licensed equivalent in the single day that passed from when Gill died and when you uploaded the file. In one day you might be able to determine that no freely licensed equivalent currently exists, but not necessarily that one cannot be created. I don't think non-free images are not really intended to be place holder images until a freely licensed one can be found, they are intended to be used after reasonable efforts to find/create a freely licensed images have proven to be unsuccessful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:06, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Atheophobia

I don't understand how this is neologism when the same exact term is used within other languages on Wikipedia on top of the fact that I didn't coin the term, someone else did.

It just absolutely angers me that I can't make any contributions to this site without being subject to censorship, and hence, why I have one foot out the door.

Mateoski06 (talk) 21:27, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page. George Ho (talk) 21:58, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

It's not just this. Other situations as well have occurred where I put in a lot of hard work, just to see it get taken down/reverted because someone doesn't like it. This usually results in someone edit warring with me for no reason as well, which also angers me. Not saying you're edit warring and whatnot, but I feel as if I cannot contribute anything to the site without being censored in some form. Mateoski06 (talk) 23:22, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

Skyroof

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My self-revert

Hi, George. I made an edit that I self-reverted at New York Daily News after seeing the the RfC ended, which I didn't know it had. So your lead sentence remains as you wrote it. Just wanted to reassure that I immediately saw my mistake. All good. --Tenebrae (talk) 21:50, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Category:1954 television films

I've restored the category and added it as a category to the article you linked on my talk page. Best, UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 19:23, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

Email ?

I got an alert that you sent me an email, but didn't actually get an email. As far as I know, we've never had any interaction here, so I suspect it's some type of Wikipedia bug. StuRat (talk) 19:23, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

StuRat, can you check your email address in your "Preferences" menu? Alternatively, you can email me. --George Ho (talk) 02:37, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

I emailed you. StuRat (talk) 03:40, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Template:Centralized discussion and dates

The dates for adding and archiving at CENT are meant to reflect the dates they were added or removed from the template, which is not necessarily the start and end dates of the actual discussion. Now that you are aware of this, please fix the errors you introduced, thanks. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:07, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Passive Aggressiveness Not Appreciated

Hello, Mr. Ho- you recently posted a rather snarky and unnecessary comment on my talk page (see here), which unfortunately led to an unwarranted 24-hour block against me after I dissected your incivility (apparently, block-happy administrators on here have started treating this site as their own personal playground, which is a shame). For someone whose talk page welcoming message speaks of doing your best to be "friendly", it is rather odd to see you engage in such behavior. You mention that you are moderately autistic, though even with this social handicap, it is puzzling how you would not realize that asking another user to pick between two welcoming templates about incivility is an extreme example of passive aggressive crudeness, suggesting a deep-seated viciousness against any perceived nonconformity. Never mind the fact that I have been on Wikipedia for quite some time, that the matter was already being resolved on the Administrator's incidents/noticeboard (see here), or that my responses to the other user (GregJackP) were targeting his sickening racist statements after he proceeded to call me a moron. In sum, it was entirely unnecessary for you to involve yourself in the matter, or to post what you did. I would request an apology from you, but I feel such an endeavor would be futile at this point, so instead I'll end with this: stay off my damn talk page, capeesh? I'm so glad we could understand each other, Mr. Ho. In the meantime, feel free to continue advising someone who has advocated racist sentiments to tutor law at Wikiversity Law School- the more influence such individuals have on the Wikimedia community, the better, right? JordanGero (talk) 04:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC)