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Newcomer Writing His First Wiki Page

Hi,

This is my first time in the Teahouse. I've been thinking to write/correct some articles. I have this hesitation to not write anything. How did you overcome this problem in your early wikipedia days? Knowledgeelephant (talk) 19:21, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think you really do get over that hesitation as you're always learning new stuff on Wikipedia, but there are things that will at least make you feel more confident. We don't often recommend making your first article as your 7th edit after all.

What we do recommend however is that you head over to the task hub, where you can find such things as citation hunting. Citation hunting will teach you how to do quite possibly the most important thing on Wikipedia, how to cite things and what to use as citations. WP:RS, WP:RSP and WP:CITE will come in handy for this.

Another thing that'll help you for when you're feeling ready to start an article is WP:BACKWARDS. This is why I suggest that you do citation hunting early into your career, so you know that working backwards is an absolutely terrible idea and will only result in hours of work getting canned. This is a very common trap for new editors.

As for thinking about correcting articles, first, citation hunting. Good stuff. Second, be bold. The worst that could happen is that your edits get reverted or you get trouted, so what? Most editors experience either of these things at least once, it's almost like a rite of passage.

Another thing you can do as the step between making corrections to articles and making your own articles is to find a WikiProject that you like the look of, then find their start or stub class articles. These are the lowest rungs on Wikipedia's ratings ladder, and are in need of a lovely editor such as yourself to fix them. Find yourself a start or a stub to adopt, then get to work improving it.

Just as an aside, Wikipedia also has a Discord server, so if you're looking for some quick help you can always head there. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:32, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

These are encouraging words. Thank you! Knowledgeelephant (talk) 07:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Knowledgeelephant You may be interested in reading the "interviews" with experienced editors about their early experiences, now collected at User:Clovermoss/Editor reflections. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:50, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Yep I read. I have my own story related to this wiki journey. Thanks! Knowledgeelephant (talk) 07:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

American Wiki Editors

Please help me. American Wiki Editors took my large sum of money and disappeared after promising me to put a wiki page. Nothing happened even after passing one year. American Wiki Editors do not exist anymore. Please help me what shall do? Are there any genuine wiki editors who could potentially put my profile back on Wikipage. Daichoo (talk) 07:32, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Daichoo, unfortunately it sounds as if you have been scammed. People do not 'have profiles' on Wikipedia – encyclopedia articles are written by volunteers when someone meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria, which generally require that multiple people unconnected to the subject have written significant amounts about the person, without having been fed information by that person. If you do not meet those criteria, then unfortunately there is no way to have a Wikipedia article written about you. All offers to get a Wikipedia article about you written and published for a fee are at best misguided, and more often scams. Tollens (talk) 07:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

For your information, Wikipedia has articles, not profiles. The distinction is that articles about people call for indepedent, published references that verify the facts which make a person Wikipedia-notable. If you truly believe that you are so famous/notable that people with no connection to you have written about you, then you could try using WP:YFA to create a draft about yourself, even though Wikipedia strongly advises against attempts at autobiography (see WP:AUTO). David notMD (talk) 13:41, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

You could possibly report them to paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org with a copy of the email. We won't be able to recover the money but other people could be protected from the same thing happening to them. Industrial Insect (talk) 16:02, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Stories like this one make me think that scammers should be treated like traitors were in England in times of old; on the other hand, I do also wonder at the gullibility of (some) victims... Autokefal Dialytiker (talk) 16:26, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

American Wiki Editors (2)

Dear Colleagues: I have $800 taken by American Wiki Editors for creating wikipage of mine and notability articles, and they disappeared from website + emails + phone services + Whatsapp. Please help me, if there is any reliable person with whom i can work. There are a lot of websites for creating webpages, but I am now skeptical with all of them. I would prefer to donate $800 to charity for a good cause. Thank you so much. Regards IRF Daichoo (talk) 19:16, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Have you seen the replies to your query above, Daichoo? Cordless Larry (talk) 19:19, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Please read the responses you received when you posted this yesterday, at Wikipedia:Teahouse#American Wiki Editors. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

How do we know if information on Wikipedia is true?

Like LITERALLY? Fives Collariums (talk) 03:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Fives Collariums and welcome to the Teahouse. All information on Wikipedia is sourced with reliable references and unsourced content may be removed at any point. CanonNi (talk) 03:03, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, it's not true that all information on Wikipedia is sourced. Lots of our articles contain unsourced material, some of which is likely incorrect. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

An excellent description of Wikipedia is that it's the world's best source of sources. All content is supposed to be supported by reliable sources, which you can click on to read yourself. That way you can make your own judgment on the credibility of content. But most of it is pretty darned accurate. HiLo48 (talk) 03:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the helpful information, I fully appreciate that, should I take down this question now that I've recieved an answer? Fives Collariums (talk) 03:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

No, Fives Collariums, please leave it up. -- Hoary (talk) 03:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Answered questions will be automatically archived after 2-3 days. Please don't remove it manually. CanonNi (talk) 03:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

While randomly browsing through Teahouse questions, I came across this one and realized that it would be quite easily misinterpreted to imply that any source found in a Wikipedia article is necessarily considered to be a reliable source. This is actually a very reasonable inference, it's just not true, and there are multiple reasons this might be the case. For instance, it might have been from a source that was considered RS at the time the source was cited, but which was subsequently determined to no longer be RS. It could be that the source is RS for some types of content but not for other types of content. And last but hardly least, the source may have been added even though it wasn't considered RS at the time it was added. So you can't just go look and see that other articles use a source and therefore assume that it's okay for you to use that source. Fabrickator (talk) 08:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Fives Collariums Please see WP:TRUTH. Wikipedia doesn't necessarily claim that the information presented is "true", only that it can be verified. Only you can decide what is "true" for you. 331dot (talk) 08:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Yup, humans don't know the Absolute Truth. Ideally, Wikipedia renders the truth according to WP:CHOPSY. tgeorgescu (talk) 08:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I was making a quite distinct point, which is not whether or not the information in Wikipedia is actually accurate, but that the fact that a particular source is cited in an article doesn't mean that the cited source actually qualifies as an RS. Fabrickator (talk) 15:30, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

You're right, it doesn't mean the source is still classed as reliable by today's standards, this can be seen on older and more niche articles. That being said, when you find sources that aren't reliable you can replace them with those that are. That is the power of being bold. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 15:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I remove 'This article needs improvement'?

Hello, I am a newish editor that has just substantially improved the content on the entry on Benjamin Waugh including citations to the main sources. But how do I now remove 'This article needs additional citations for verification. Please help improve this article by adding citations to reliable sources' ? Parc Hembise 10:04, 5 April 2024 (UTC) ParcHembise (talk) 10:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

See Help:Maintenance template removal. CanonNi (talk) 10:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, ParcHembise. The article Benjamin Waugh has major problems. Consider this sentence from the lead: He was an outstandingly brilliant, energetic and highly competent charismatic journalist, public speaker and organiser who was to change how the British public understood and valued childhood and was instrumental in securing Britain’s first legislation on children’s rights. That is over the top hagiography, which violates the Neutral point of view, which is a core content policy. Then, I noticed that a widely used reference was a book written by Waugh's own daughter, Rosa Waugh Hobhouse, which is not an independent source and certainly should not be cited for any lavish praise. George K. Behlmer is a more contemporary expert who wrote the listing for the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, and I would neutrally summarize what he says, as opposed to what the loving daughter wrote back in 1913, a few years after her father's death. The references are a mess and should be cleaned up as well. Only then should you consider removing the maintenance tag. Cullen328 (talk) 18:15, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

You just need to familiarize yourself with wikitext so you’ll be able to identify the template within the code. Gickskizz (talk) 20:31, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Reporting editors asking for money

Hey everyone,

How do you report wiki editors that are soliciting money to do edits on pages? StainlessSteelRodentia (talk) 18:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Are you talking about @Discospinster and @Badadms? If so, do you have any proof of this at all? I can see you've left messages on their talk pages saying "This person is involved in soliciting fees to edit and publish wikipedia pages against wikipedia's guidelines" CommissarDoggo^Talk? 18:45, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I was approached in linkedin by someone presenting themselves as James Nicoloas, claiming they are a wikipedia editor and for a fee would get the draft page Lee Povey published

Then that person got my phone number and messaged me saying the page was published and they would revert it back to a draft page if I didn't pay them (which has happened)

The people editting the page while this was happening were @Discospinster and @Badadms and @Theroadislong StainlessSteelRodentia (talk) 18:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

StainlessSteelRodentia, please read WP:SCAM. It is commonplace for scammers to impersonate experienced editors. Cullen328 (talk) 19:01, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Please take greater care with your accusations I have never edited that draft and have NEVER requested money from anyone to edit Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 19:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

From the page revision history

"The draft has been approved by Theroadislong moved to namespace" StainlessSteelRodentia (talk) 19:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

This was exactly at the time I was being messaged saying the draft would be approved StainlessSteelRodentia (talk) 19:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Badadms has previously been informed about their improper page moves, see here. They previously stated that @Wikishovel had been approving these moves. Now it seems as if they're saying Theroadislong has been doing this. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:09, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

It's the fourth time my name's been taken in vain by a sockfarmer. Nothing to do with me, but thanks for the ping. Wikishovel (talk) 19:14, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I moved it to draft because there was some discussion on the talk page that suggested it was not ready to be published (due to notability issues). ... discospinster _talk 19:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

StainlessSteelRodentia, as for Discospinster, that editor has 20 years of experience and has made over 400,000 edits. Cullen328 (talk) 19:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

This was done at the EXACT time I was being asked for money to keep the page published and told it would be taken off if I didn't pay. Seems incredibly suspicious as you had neevr edited the page before StainlessSteelRodentia (talk) 19:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I categorically did NOT accept this draft as a quick look at the history will confirm I have however just declined it. Theroadislong (talk) 19:13, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

curprev 22:34, 4 April 2024‎ Badadms talk contribs‎ m 10,339 bytes 0‎ Badadms moved page Draft:Lee Povey to Lee Povey: The draft has been approved by Theroadislong moved to namespace undothank

this is the history note further down the page

It would seem Badadms is using your name in vain then? StainlessSteelRodentia (talk) 19:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Most likely. They've previously moved pages, stating that various different users such as WikiShovel (as stated above), Theroadislong, @Mikeblas and a user by the name of Peter Walker - can't find them so I assume they don't exist.

To anyone that has actually used the process in the past, would this warrant taking to WP:ANI? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:22, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, absolutely. I'll open a thread there momentarily. MrOllie (talk) 19:31, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. The fact they've done this with multiple different high profile users, have previously been informed that they shouldn't be doing this, failed to respond to that and continue to do this is, understandably, quite worrying given the topic of this conversation. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Report opened at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Badadms_and_moves_out_of_draft MrOllie (talk) 19:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I've unfortunately been drawn into this issue again. What must I do to clear my name in response to the ANI that you've opened? -- Mikeblas (talk) 20:49, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, no, there's nothing you need to do at all. I was simply tagging you to inform you that your name had come up, which seemed pertinent. I'd already done the same for other users who had their name come up.

The user has already been blocked under an SPI. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:57, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

OK, thank you. -- Mikeblas (talk) 21:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

It came up when I was reviewing recent edits so I looked into it since it was in the wrong place (as Wikipedia:Lee Povey instead of the article space), not suspicious at all. ... discospinster _talk 19:19, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification.

As you might understand it seems so odd to have people approving and disapproving at the same time a scammer is messaging me trying to extort money from me

I apologize if I have incorrectly accused you and @Theroadislongas being involved with them StainlessSteelRodentia (talk) 19:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

oops @Theroadislong StainlessSteelRodentia (talk) 19:24, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the apology. ... discospinster _talk 19:56, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

The only edit Theroadislong has made to Draft:Lee Povey was their draft decline, after they'd commented above. You can verify this here. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:22, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, I can see now they were named but didn't actually do the approval. StainlessSteelRodentia (talk) 19:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

So from what I can see this is what the draft's move history looks like:

1. The page was created in mainspace by ZedArtify on 15 January.
2. The page was moved into draftspace by Rosguill on 21 March.
3. The page was moved into mainspace by Badadms on 4 April, stating that The draft has been approved by Theroadislong moved to namespace.
4. The page was moved into projectspace by Badadms about 15 minutes later.
5. The page was moved back into draftspace by Discospinster about 7 minutes later.

Badadms, would you care to comment on your moves falsely claiming that other users have approved of drafts? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:28, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

• You all may be interested in Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/ASHkins20. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

  Are you still adding content to that report? I'll quite happily add the information from this conversation to there in the comments if not. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 19:47, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

  I did add a link back to this discussion. I've done I think all I can do for now, but feel free to add more info if you have it. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 19:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

  Nah, if it links back here then that's all I'd really want to add, as it includes everything about their past with suspicious page moves and using respected editors as a way to add more validity.

  All I can hope is that @StainlessSteelRodentia didn't actually pay anyone anything, that'd be a win in my book. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:06, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Badadms has now been blocked, thanks to Ivanvector. Thanks for bringing this our attention, StainlessSteelRodentia. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

My pleasure, and sadly my naivety did have me pay them $150, then they kept requesting more.... Lesson learnt! StainlessSteelRodentia (talk) 20:30, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Creating a new template

Hi! I am considering creating some new single-issue user warning templates. I know that for articles there is the Article for Creation process to help with checking that articles are useful. Is there an equivilent process for creating pages in the template namespace? QwertyForest (talk) 19:08, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi QwertyForest, I'm not aware of any. I'd recommend posting at Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace, where issues about user warnings are discussed, to solicit feedback on your ideas. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:29, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi, Calliopejen1. I'll try that at some point. QwertyForest (talk) 17:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Unable to post translated article to English Wikipedia

Hello! I translated the article about American actress Carmen Moore from French into English, and also added additional information/citations. However, I cannot make it public for some reason. Here is a link to the draft.

If there is something wrong with it, or something I can do to get it published, please let me know! Thanks! Greerble ^{ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ} 19:40, 05 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Greerble. I have added a header to your draft so that you can submit it for review. Note that Twitter is not normally acceptable as a source - see WP:TWITTER. ColinFine (talk) 19:52, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Colin!

Reviewing WP:TWITTER, it seems I've used it correctly as a source in this instance. I used a tweet from the subject of the article's Twitter account to verify her date of birth, which seems like it falls under the acceptable use cases. Should I change it? I'm not sure where would be a more reliable place to find this information. Greerble ^{ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ} 20:39, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Greerble How does that tweet confirm she was born 1986? WP:ABOUTSELF is fine for WP:DOB, but if used, needs to be crystal clear. Also, DOB is nice to have but not necessary. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: It seems the tweet confirms her birthday but not birth year. Her age and month/year of death are listed in the first reference, so we can calculate her year of birth. GoingBatty (talk) 22:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Very well. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

That would have been great, except your translation isn’t accurate and has poor grammar. .rekcufyssup (talk) 21:58, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello! If you had used the eyes that God gave you to read my above post, you would have noticed where I said "and also added additional information/citations." I was not interested in creating a perfect 1:1 recreation of an underwhelming French article :) Greerble ^{ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ} 23:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Greerble: If this draft becomes an article, you might want to consider making a copy of the image and cropping the other two people out of the photo, so the infobox shows a larger photo of Moore's face. GoingBatty (talk) 22:21, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - this is genuinely very helpful! Would I need to upload the cropped image to the

Wikimedia Commons before using it? Greerble ^{ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ} 23:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@Greerble The file is on Commons and there is a very good crop tool there that can be used. It has the advantage of getting the templates for the licensing of the derivative image correct. See c:Commons:CropTool Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

.... incidentally, IMDb is not considered a reliable source as it is user-generated: see WP:IMDb. It would help if you could find alternative sources for anything where you've used it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I replaced the sources and added her IMDb page as an external link + will crop the image when I have time to get Crop Tool sorted out. Thanks for your help! Greerble ^{ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ} 22:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Set state for Campainbox template for Lexington Alarm

Hello, I hope this is an easy one. I tried a couple of scenarios to set the state for the {{Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Boston|state=expanded}} in the Lexington Alarm article, with and without the <noinclude></noinclude> parameters... and I tested it in my sandbox in this version. It stays expanded in my sandbox, but not in the article.

Following the instructions in Template:Navbox (there weren't any for the campaign box), I also tried {{Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Boston|state={{state|expanded}}}}

No luck. Do you have any ideas?–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:47, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@CaroleHenson: Welcome to the Teahouse! There are some instructions in Template:Campaignbox, but it doesn't explain what values are valid for the |state= parameter. In the Lexington Alarm article, I changed {{Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Boston|state={{state|expanded}}}} to {{Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Boston|state={{state|expanded}} but that didn't work. Then, I edited Template:Campaignbox American Revolutionary War: Boston to include | state = {{{state|}}} and now the template is expanded in the Lexington Alarm article. I then checked the Battle of Bunker Hill article, and confirmed that the box is not expanded. Hope this is what you were looking for. GoingBatty (talk) 22:05, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Hey, aren't you something! That's perfect, GoingBatty Thanks so much.–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Making tabs

Excuse me, I just made an account to help edit, but I don't know how to add tabs to an existing article. Can you please help me? 2601:48:C601:5550:74C7:D0FE:DEBA:13AF (talk) 21:50, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You are currently not logged in to any account, as your edits are coming from your IP address. Page tabs aren't used in articles, as stated in the documentation for {{page tabs}}; what do you want to use them for? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, I was looking in the article The Legend of Zelda Tears of the Kingdom, and I noticed it didn't mention the characters or any stats about them. I was just wondering if there was a way to add them in. 2601:48:C601:5550:74C7:D0FE:DEBA:13AF (talk) 03:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I found a list of Legend of Zelda characters, but is there a way to separate them into two categories? Breath of the Wild characters and Tears of the Kingdom characters? I'm just trying to make it the least amount confusing as possible, and to me it was very confusing. Thank you for your time! :) 2601:48:C601:5550:74C7:D0FE:DEBA:13AF (talk) 03:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Generally Wikipedia just uses sections. I would exercise discretion with the amount of detail though, as it could be considered fancruft that may run afoul of WP:NOTDATABASE. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

newspapers citations from newspapers.com?

My submission was rejected for lack of verifiable citations, yet all my citations are verifiable on newspapers.com and pgnewspapers.pgpl.ca. What more do you want? Gadavison95 (talk) 22:26, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Inga Andersen

@Gadavison95: I see that each citation has an error because you didn't define the |title= parameter with the title of each article, which would be helpful for verification. Could you please fix the citations? Pinging reviewer Brachy0008 for their comments. GoingBatty (talk) 22:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

also - edit conflict

I assume you are talking about Draft:Inga Andersen. I don't see that this has been resubmitted. Am I missing something?

I see that there aren't any titles for the newspaper articles. If you make clips of the article and put the article title in the clip's title box, you can get the fields populated using WP:Proveit. That's all I use anymore to create citations.

Does this help?–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:40, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

I added a source on the Draft that shows the kind of referencing that allows other editors to verify the references. BBQboffin^{grill me} 23:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

PGC and The Guardian are reliable (per WP:RSP) (something i canonically missed out on), found nothing about Montreal Gazette, LDM is a tabloid newspaper so it is unreliable, more comments later Brachy08 _(Talk) 00:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the London Daily Mirror is a tabloid, and Britain's tabloids aren't at all reliable. But what they are now doesn't determine what they were over half a century ago. (What were they then? I sense that they had more respect for accuracy, but I don't claim to know.) 126.158.131.21 (talk) 00:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

The kind of tabloid around the time of Andersen are called jazz journalism, or scandal sheets, which was sensationalist. Thus, tabloids around the time of her are generally unreliable in Wikipedia standards. Brachy08 _(Talk) 02:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Vancouver Province is a tabloid (unreliable), no mention of Newcastle Sunday in WP:RSP, Daily Telegraph is reliable, Evening Standard and NYDY are also tabloids (unreliable). According to WP:Notability (people), Andersen should have a significant roles or made unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. The only major role cited by a reliable source is the Jack and Jill thing. So yeah, you need to cite more major roles and it should pass. Brachy08 _(Talk) 02:56, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Don’t worry @Gadavison95, I know you can do this! (Failed drafts are normal, I experienced that before) Brachy08 _(Talk) 02:57, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

And if you are thinking of nominating it for good article status, remove the tabloid sources. Brachy08 _(Talk) 03:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I took a break from what I was working on to find the articles and add the titles, but in searching newspapers.com, I am not finding articles with dates in the citations in the article.

And, it's getting confusing to sort out big blocks of content where there are a number of no-title citations. It would be much easier at this point to remove the incomplete citations and then add references where they apply.

How about if I focus on the first section to get a good start?–CaroleHenson (talk) 04:00, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

You can slowly blow it all up to improve the article. Brachy08 _(Talk) 09:35, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Okay, that's good to know. I focused primarily on the first section about early life and education. I found more sources - besides newspapers.com - that have some interesting information, particularly what she did during World War II. I added the links under "External links" that can be used to expand the article.

I would like to start a separate section for WWII - and use the link to the International Women's Day article. Also, the link to the Prince George newspapers produces a lot more articles than newspaper.com, including a couple more from the year of her death.–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Gadavison95. In addition to what's been posted above, the image you uploaded of Andersen to Commons to use in the infobox of the draft is most certainly not your own work and you shouldn't be claiming it as such; so, I've tagged it for speedy deletion. It's possible that image could be in the WP:PUBLICDOMAIN because of its date of first publication, but you should ask about it at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright to see if that's the case; otherwise, it will need to be deleted from Commons. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:17, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

There are some better pictures in newspaper articles. If there's no free image, this could be loaded onto Wikipedia (not commons) under Non-free use rationale since it would be depicting a deceased person.–CaroleHenson (talk) 05:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I have not found any free images. I found this image at the top left of the page and saved it. I can upload it in Wikipedia as a non-free use image (historical significance of a deceased person, just for the infobox) if you like. I am not sure, but I think I cannot do that until it's an article, not as a draft.–CaroleHenson (talk) 18:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Just to close the loop on this discussion, the draft has been updated, moved to article space, and an image added.–CaroleHenson (talk) 21:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I mention a source again?

so like I was making a draft and then I wanted to reuse a source but I can’t find out how. It marks it as a whole new source. 48JcL48 (talk) 23:46, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

@48JcL48: Welcome to the Teahouse. You will want to read more on named references. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

If you are using the Visual editor, you can simply copy and paste references to get the same result. Ca ^{talk to me!} 03:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Microsoft Word problem - changing "====" to "============================" etc.

If you put a "====" or "----" at the beginning of a line, Word expands this to fill the whole width of the page. So far so good. The problem is that you cannot always delete the "----------------------------------------------------------------".

Help needed. ----MountVic127 (talk) 03:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

What does the problem have to do with editing Wikipedia? CanonNi (talk) 03:19, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I sometimes edit some text in MS Word, before copy-pasting it to Wikipedia.

Also some "Contact Us" procedures do not send a copy of this text back to the writer, so you loose all of it if you knock the wrong key. So better to edit the text in Word first. I have been caught by this bug too many times.

The Word file may also contain the long ruled line which separates sub-sections.

----MountVic127 (talk) 03:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Try switching to your sandbox for test edits. CanonNi (talk) 03:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

The problem was in the source viewer where it multiplies the "==" because there was a bug or glitch some sort. You can try switching to visual editing ‍ Shonyx 04:26, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

If you like to write material on your hard drive and then copy and paste it in, don't use a word processor such as Word, use a text editor. 126.158.157.73 (talk) 05:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@MountVic127 On Microsoft computers, try WordPad. I use it all the time specifically because it doesn't do any of the "helpful" autocorrects that Word is prone to. Word's worst habit, IMO, is to convert two single quote characters ' and ' into double-quotes, whether straight or curly. In Wikipedia, two quotes are used to indicate italics. WordPad text can be saved in .rtf format, so it can still incorporate advanced formatting like hyperlinks. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I use Notepad++, which is free and open-source, and has better features, including syntax highlighting. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:45, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Sfn question

On this page I have placed two volumes of a three-volume book series in the Works Cited section. I'd like to be able to create Sfn notes referencing both of them, but can't figure out how to do it, because both volumes have the same authors and publication year. Any thoughts? Wafflewombat (talk) 04:47, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

You can use the parameter |ref= to change what you have {{sfn}} point to, so you can have Author 20XXa, 20XXb, etc. as destinations for shortcites. See details at {{sfnref}}. If you need more help, let me know! Remsense诉 04:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Wafflewombat: I added {{sfnref}} to each volume in the Works Cited section. You can edit the footnotes accordingly to distinguish which are from Vol I vs Vol III. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Wafflewombat and welcome to the Teahouse. When there are multiple works by the same set of authors in the same year, add letters to the end of the year. The first volume would be 2000a, if 2000 is the year. The second would be 2000b, etc. See Template:Sfn#More than one work in a year for how to do this. StarryGrandma (talk) 04:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! I think I got it figured out. Wafflewombat (talk) 06:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Parentheses in page names for tribes/communities/ethnic groups

Suppose you are creating a page for a community (tribe, ethnic group, caste, etc.). Is it better to name the page with parentheses around the community type or not? For example, is X (tribe) or X tribe preferable as the name of the main article (with the other presumably being a redirect)? Is there a specific policy governing this, and if so, could someone link it?

Secondarily, whichever is preferred, what redirect category should the redirect page from the other one be filed under? Is {{R from alternative punctuation}} correct, or is there a better one?

Thank you. Brusquedandelion (talk) 05:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

In general WP:NATURAL applies here: as a rule of thumb, parentheses are often a last resort in an article title. So X people would be preferred in every case as far as I can imagine to X (people). Remsense诉 06:33, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Brusquedandelion The guidance for this is at WP:NCET. You need to think about whether the community is better called a people or a tribe, or just their name. There are other considerations, as the linked page details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

How to make my userpage into a redirect?

Hi, Usersnipedname here. I made this account to redirect people to their own user page, but when I type #REDIRECT [[Special:MyPage]] into my user page (--> MyUserPage (talk)), all it gives me is this:

1. REDIRECT Special:MyPage

Is there something in the MediaWiki software that prevents this from happening, or did I just format it wrong? I suppose that the mw: software prevents redirects from happening on user pages, as I did it exactly as I remember and I even followed the instructions on Help:Redirects.

MyUserPage (talk) 10:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

hi me Usersnipedname (nag me/stalk me) 10:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

If this is your alternative account, please disclose so and see WP:GOODSOCK for more information. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Try using a soft redirect, as you cannot directly redirect to a page within the Special namespace. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Why is this needed? 331dot (talk) 12:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

It isn't. I've deleted it. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:19, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

and blocked them as a sock. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 19:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Best place to report promotional content, including copyvio?

Most important bit - recent re-addition of promotional content on Amitabh Kant links to an external website sharing the pdf of a published book. Where would I best report this?

Details - I've been tracking Amitabh Kant for the last couple of years and the article gets promotional content added to it every now and then. The subject is a prominent bureaucrat in India so that's to be expected. I rolled back the article to Special:Permalink/1215463709 last week of March (after starting a talk page discussion) and invited the editor to add back content with citations. They've brought back almost all of the same content - including a factually incorrect claim I had pointed out on the Talk page. The image used for the article has been taken from the subject's website and the image description says that it has been "provided directly by him for use" - suggesting again that the content is promotional material. Most of the content is of course still missing citations.

I'm at a loss. Where do I take this? Dispute resolution? Admin noticeboard? Request for protection? Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 13:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Also to add - 4 images that were added to the page previously by the same editor (not uploaded by them I think though) were deleted for copyvio.

And the page was basically attacked by sock/meatpuppets previously in a campaign to add promotional content with bad-faith behaviour. I had reported that to the sockpuppet investigation and they got removed. Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 13:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Ujwal.Xankill3r: WP:COIN, if there is good reason to believe the editor is acting on behalf of the subject. Note the requirement for a prior attempt to resolve the issue; and that you must notify the editor concerned as soon as you make a report there. If there is long-term abuse, consider asking for page protection, at WP:RPP. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:42, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Image now deleted for Copyvio. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the recommendation and the image deletion. I'll follow your advice and attempt a resolution first before reporting to WP:COIN. Another editor has joined in to clean up the page so thanks to them it will be much easier. Ujwal.Xankill3r (talk) 04:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Copyvio % similarity: the acceptable limit?

What level of similarity in the percentage(%) of plagiarism is considered acceptable when using copyvio tool? Charlie (talk) 13:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

That would depend on the content. If the majority of the copyvio is quotations taken from a single website then the percentage is likely to be pretty high. You should try and reduce the quotes as best as possible, condensing them into shorter bits.

If the majority of the copyvio is text from the website then the acceptable percentage, at least in my eyes, is far lower. Anything above 30% when you've used one page as a source throughout an article should have you concerned while anything above 50% should have you trying to reword as much close paraphrasing as possible. It's very rare that you should get above 50% if you're following best practice. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Is there a particular page that has you concerned? CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@CommissarDoggo Thank you for the thorough response. Yes, my concerns are about La Plaine St. André, the page I made recently. Charlie (talk) 13:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Looks alright to me if 18% is your highest, but you can always reword things if you aren't happy with it. As for the article itself, try to avoid sandwiching like with the image of the paintings on the wall. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Citing a Kickstarter Page

Several years ago I created the page For the King, which is a video game that proved fairly hard to research and find sources for due to it being and indie title. The page I found to be by far the most useful was the video game's original Kickstarter page, which contained more information about the video game's creators, development, and influences than every other source combined. Unfortunately, I could not reference the page in my article, as it was flagged for solicitation, which is understandable considering it is a Kickstarter page. However, it is not an active project, individuals can no longer pledge money to it and have not been able to since I believe 2016. Is there anyway to source the page without having the reference flagged? I only ask because about half the information in my Development section comes from the page, and it is really the only section that lacks any references as I could not find any other sources with the same information.

Thanks in advance! MrGoldenfold007 (talk) 14:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@MrGoldenfold007 It sounds as though you want to use that page in an WP:ABOUTSELF way: see that link for what is acceptable. Was the Kickstarter page archived at the Wayback Machine for example? If so, that may not trigger the edit filter (although I've never done that to check). Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

I tested it. It triggers the alarm. Even for <ref>https://web.archive.org/web/bannedwebsitexyz</ref>. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 16:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:ABOUTSELF? Definitely not haha, I have no personal connection to the game other than it is the first Wikipedia page I made and so I am sentimentally attached to it in that respect I guess. Like I said too the page has a ton of info about the game so that's the only reason I attempted to add it as a reference. MrGoldenfold007 (talk) 16:40, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@MrGoldenfold007: If you feel the link is needed, you can:.... Request that just the specific page be allowed, without unblocking the whole website, by asking on the spam whitelist talk page. This is written in the warning you receive that your edit could not be published due to banned source site. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 16:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok will do. Thank you for the help! MrGoldenfold007 (talk) 17:03, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Use link to highlight for source

For a long web page source of which very small part (say a sentence) is to be used as a source, can you use the #:~:text= to highlight the text? I am aware that it might be troublesome for 'reusing the source', still more information on this would help. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 15:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor The template {{Cite web}}, and many other citation templates, can take the parameter |quote=. Would that help? Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:52, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: That looks interesting and helpful as we could search that term on web page. Maybe we could change the parameter to also highlight the quote by the #:~:text=(quote). If anyone here doesn't see any quick fail for the idea, I may propose it for discussion. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 16:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Unquestionably: #:~:text= is a feature introduced by Google Chrome. It's called "scroll to text fragment". Many other browsers will ignore it. The link still works but just goes to the top of the page with no highlighting. I haven't found a Wikipedia guideline about it but I wouldn't use it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:27, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Yes it apparently works on chrome and edge but not on firefox, safari, and IE per [1]. Thank you. Also, I think you tagged User:Unquestionably by mistake if I am not wrong. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 16:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Category:State media, and resulting questions on how categories work.

There seems to have been some longstanding error defining the Category:State media... which (I think?) I corrected now in this diff. The problem I have now is that I don't quite know how categories work and how broadcasters like ARD, ZDF, and Al Jazeera ended up categorised there, in spite of there being no defining link in their mark-up. -- Oh, and if someone knows of a way to wikilink categories, let me know that too pretty please... JackTheSecond (talk) 15:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@JackTheSecond The last part is easy; just Wikilink with a colon at the front, so Category:State media. Same works for links to Commons and files etc. I don't know about your main question. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@JackTheSecond: You may discuss at Category talk:State media for particular replacement of content you did there. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 16:10, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, JackTheSecond. For ARD, the category link to Category:State media is not in ARD (broadcaster) directly, but in Category:ARD (broadcaster). I'm guessing it's the same for the other ones you've mentioned. ColinFine (talk) 16:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Better discussions on wikipedia

Is there any tooling (or efforts to develop tooling) for improved discussion support on wikipedia? I've only been editing for a few months, and have already been involved in several discussions which quickly become unwieldy and remain unresolved. The issues I see:

1. depth of threads makes it difficult to read (even with the reindent template (or what ever it's called))
2. difficulty of keeping track of open disagreements and disputes
3. diffulty of keeping track of and referencing historical discussions and their relevance to current discussions
4. there's no support for viewing a comparison of a proposed edit (and the various proposed versions) and the current text on the page. So people have to keep reminding everyone what their proposed version is and how it differs.
5. keeping track of the substantive points people have brought up, the supporting sources and the amount of support for each point.
6. lack of a decision making process, which leads to frequent "stalemates".

I'm sure some of this can be improved with "best practices", but only if people cooperate with said practices. With some more creative and thoughtful UX design and tooling most of these could be solved. But I'm not aware of any such tools or efforts to build such tools. Please share links to such efforts if they exist. Thank you! EDIT: also, if you do have recommendations for addressing any of the above points, please let me know. DMH223344 (talk) 18:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

In terms of legibility, I personally use Convenient Discussions, which uses some visual elements to demarcate separate comments by signature. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

zzz

i would like to become an administrator Prettycurefan75 (talk) 20:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

This is the third time (one, two) you have done this in this discussion page. At some point it goes from "not now, but here's some productive advice" replies to the point where it is just considered disruptive. Please stop. Zaathras (talk) 20:25, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Fore reference, the two threads are archived here and here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

New article

What is the best way to avoid deletion for a new page/article? I’m trying to add bio/discography. Mercbeatz (talk) 20:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Having reliable sources is your best bet! Are there articles from independent newspapers (ie, not paid/promotional) who talk about the subject of the article in depth? Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:50, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Looking at your talk page, it appears as if you've been trying to create an article about yourself. If this is what you've been trying to do, you have a clear conflict of interest and should not be making that page. Please see WP:WEBHOST as well. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 20:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Fridericus-Rex-Grenadiermarsch

I made a draft on the Fridericus-Rex-Grenadiermarsch, which I saw only had German and Ukrainian versions, and I wanted to help contribute and make an English version. It was declined by Crunchydillpickle but they left me some feedback and told me to ask for help here. I would like to know how I can fix this and if you guys have any tips. I am open to constructive criticism so I can help Wikipedia. Thank you for reading my plight. ChauConlangs (talk) 21:13, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, simply put, your references section is an external links section and you need to find more reliable, secondary citations. The amount of citations you have and what they are at the moment is unfortunately insufficient to prove notability. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 21:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh ok, can I have help on finding reliable citations? Is there any Wikipedia pages that talk about how? ChauConlangs (talk) 21:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Sure, the link I put on reliable and WP:RSP should help, but really it's more of a gut feeling. If it looks like a tabloid, it's probably not reliable. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 21:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@ChauConlangs You need more reliable sources which discuss the march in detail, of which the best for this are likely to be academic ones. Google Scholar has some hits you may find useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:55, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

From where to start?

I am realizing wikipedia is too big. There are discussions, pool, internal fights... from where do I start if I want to improve pages related about Economics? Socdevz (talk) 21:53, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Well first, I'd go to WikiProject Economics to see what they say needs to be done, you can see that in the open tasks section. You could also check out their start and stub class articles to see whether you want to improve any of them.

I can see you have a limited number of edits, so it might be worth learning some of the basics of Wikipedia, such as how to cite things and what's classified as a reliable source. You could also check out the task hub to see whether anything catches your eye. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Citing newspaper article only available on a subscription website

Is it acceptable to use a newspaper article as a source if it is ONLY available on a paid subscription website? According to Template:Cite news "Citations of online sources that require registration or a subscription are acceptable in Wikipedia". However, an edit that I made was reversed as "unreliable" because the link hits a paywall "create account" page. KaseyWallace (talk) 22:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello KaseyWallace, and welcome to the teahouse! Yes, citations which are paywalled are acceptable for Wikipedia. However, I don't think the editor in question so much cares that it's paywalled but they instead are claiming the website is unreliable within of itself, which is a separate issue. I'd advise going to the article talk page and pinging them if you'd like further clarification on their position per standard bold, revert, discuss practice. It may also get other interested editors to provide input on the matter. —Sirdog (talk) 23:05, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

KaseyWallace, it is not necessary to have any URL in the reference if the San Jose Mercury News does not host an online version. That newspaper is a reliable source, whether the article is printed on paper and/or available online. Just provide the most complete bibliographic information, such as the full accurate title, the author/reporter if known, the name of the paper, the date of publication, the page numbers, and so on. That's enough. Cullen328 (talk) 07:26, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! I'll try it without a URL. Also posted the question on the article talk page. Unfortunately the Mercury's official NewsBank archive doesn't go back far enough. KaseyWallace (talk) 17:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Table column width

I created a table on this page and am wondering if I can edit the columns Title and Star Wars Year so that the contents have more room. I looked at WP table how-to pages and haven't found them helpful, partly because I'm a wikitext novice. Wafflewombat (talk) 23:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: Hi there! Per Help:Table/Width#CSS width on table header cell, I updated those columns of the table with different values of style=width: GoingBatty (talk) 01:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Wafflewombat (talk) 02:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

One question, though: Can fixed widths for columns create display issues for some users? I think one of the help pages mentioned that. Wafflewombat (talk) 03:39, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Wafflewombat: {{nowrap}} around selected text gives better control and can avoid wasted space. The table has a text-heavy column which can become very long (dozens of lines in some cells) on narrow screens like smartphones so I would avoid code which doesn't allow other columns to be narrow. You could still use nowrap for some things like Between {{nowrap|0 BBY}} and {{nowrap|3 ABY}}. This avoids line breaks in "0 BBY" and "3 ABY" but still allows a narrow column on narrow screens. If you use long titles like earlier then it could say {{nowrap|Star Wars}}: {{nowrap|Episode IV}} – {{nowrap|A New Hope}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I really appreciate the reply, but since I'm a wikitext novice, I don't understand most of what you said. Wafflewombat (talk) 12:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Which source should take precedence?

I'm currently working on the article for the R.E.M. album Reveal. The current version of the article already has citations in the album infobox next to the release date for each single. This source is a PDF scan of an issue of ARIA listing singles that were to come out that week (in this example, "Imitation of Life", which it says came out on April 16, 2001). However, in one of the band's biographies, Perfect Circle by Tony Fletcher, lists the release date for this single as April 30. Which source should take precedence? I imagine the ARIA chart might since it was from the time that the single came out, and I guess that means it’s much less likely that someone misremembered the proper date. But maybe the biography is referring to the US release date? Thoughts? Elephantranges (talk) 00:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Elephantranges: Welcome to the Teahouse! When you have a question about improving an article, I suggest that the first place you discuss it is the article's talk page, in this case Talk:Reveal (R.E.M. album). happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:10, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

How to access my main page?

This might sound dumb, but I have been active for this entire year so far, (2024) and I still have no idea how to access my main page. I previous was able to go there via a redirection when I was blocked to appeal my case, but I'm not getting a pop-up saying I can't edit a certain page. I would appreciate some help on that. 136.33.182.23 (talk) 00:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Could you clarify what you're referring to?

You don't have a user page because you're an IP user. If you're looking for your talk page, just click the (talk) link after your IP address. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 00:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Please clarify "I was blocked". If you are still blocked, then you should not be editing except to appeal your block.

In any case, supposing "FredXXX" was your user name, the place where you (presumably) went to appearl your block is User talk:FredXXX (That is a red-link, of course, because I made the username up).

It would help us to help you if you told us what was your user name. ColinFine (talk) 17:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

The mobile site has a menu on a hamburger button at the top left. If you are logged in then it includes a link to your user page. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Help on page, Draft:Louise Breckon-Richards

link: Draft:Louise Breckon-Richards

Hello! I have had this article rejected a few times due to lack of coverage of the subject (an actress / filmmaker who has worked extensively in the arts for a few decades). She recently won awards on her latest movie however, leading to more mentions of her work. I have quite an extensive bibliography, but understand that some sources are probably better than others.

I would appreciate any help or advice people have on improving this article before I try resubmitting. If people find a great source on this person, I would of course much appreciate it too! Thank you. Artemis-red97 (talk) 00:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Well, the article does sound a little bit like an ad, and you chould be More specific with certain parts, e.g specifing the condotion she has that you mentioned. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Adding images

If the image does nót belong to you, how do you credit the owner? Blackmamba31248 (talk) 00:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

If you're trying to upload the image to Wikimedia Commons, see Commons:Licensing and commons:Special:UploadWizard and make sure that the image is under a free license. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 01:19, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Blackmamba31248. You may not normally upload an image unless the copyright holder has explicitly released it either into the public domain, or under a licence such as CC-BY-SA. So please don't try to do so unless one of those conditions are met (the owner's "permission" to use it in Wikipedia is not enough).

When you upload it, you will be asked for its origin. ColinFine (talk) 17:23, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Help

I am trying to Make an edit but when í publish it it does nót show. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by "does not show"? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 02:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Is nót Vísible Blackmamba31248 (talk) 02:59, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, but could you specify which article the problem appears on? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Never mind, it’s working now, but it’s happened before. Blackmamba31248 (talk) 03:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

That's great. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Blackmamba31248 For future reference, you can purge the page by going to Special:Purge, punch in the article you want to purge, and click "Yes". This will force the most recent version to appear. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 04:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

What should I do in this situation?

Recently saw this

How do I refute statements like that? What can I warn the user for, it's not exactly vandalism... 『π』BalaM314〘talk〙 05:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:ANI, maybe? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 05:10, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Someone undid the edit, I indef'ed the editor. I think that covers it? DMacks (talk) 05:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@DMacks: Revdel? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

*poof* DMacks (talk) 20:09, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

BalaM314, please read Wikipedia:Deny recognition. Cullen328 (talk) 07:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Attempting to create a new article

Hi! We've created a new article of our CEO here in Wikipedia. It seems to remain in the sandbox and we cannot publish it in any way. Also we're unable to upload his picture there.

Could someone assist us in doing so?

The page we're referring to is at User:Mobibank/sandbox

Thanks for any help anyone could provide! Mobibank (talk) 09:08, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

OP already blocked. 331dot (talk) 09:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Rouge admin protocol?

Hi. I'm just curious if there's any protocol for when an administrator goes rogue and vandalizes Wikipedia, and when it has been used, if such protocol exists. Thanks. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:49, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi: There is: see Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures § Removal of permissions. I can't recall specific instances off the top of my head, but I know that it's been used before in cases of compromised accounts. m:Stewards can also remove permissions and lock accounts in emergencies, when nobody else is available. Tollens (talk) 09:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You might also be interested in this list. Tollens (talk) 10:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

username

How to change the username? 101.78.114.73 (talk) 10:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You're currently an IP account, which means you are not registered and therefore don't have a username. Go to Special:CreateAccount to get an account. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 10:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

When you asked the question, you did so without logging in. But perhaps you have a user ID all the same. If so, and if the user ID isn't blocked, then just create the new ID and use it. (If the old ID is blocked, don't think of creating a new ID.) 110.2.108.44 (talk) 12:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Changing username. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

AfC submissions

AFC submissions are a very lengthy procedure, can you recommend some way quick for publishing of article Misbah Haider (talk) 11:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

The purpose of AfC is to make sure new articles meet Wikipedia's quality standards, and since you're a relatively new editor, it's strongly recommended to go through the AfC process with article drafts first and gain experience on the article creation process. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 11:31, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Especially since the article in question was re-draftified for issues. It's a long process in part because good work is a long process. Remsense诉 11:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You mean we should wait for 2 months to get our article published Misbah Haider (talk) 11:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

It's a volunteer process. Volunteers review many articles every day, and no one is required to specifically review yours, nor to accept it onto the site if it is unacceptable, which it was when it was draftified, Remsense诉 11:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Up to 2 months, not exactly 2 months. For example, my article draft was turned into an article after less than a day (Millennia (video game)), when a volunteer reviewer accepted it as it met the quality standards. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 11:50, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Wow that's really great, actually my article was lacking just one credible resource for Award received by the person therefore, was sent to draft to calmly make some little changes Misbah Haider (talk) 11:56, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Then there should be no trouble when a reviewer comes along. Best of luck! Remsense诉 11:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Sorry one more question that if AFC is for reviewing then why the option of move for draft to article is available Misbah Haider (talk) 12:34, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Because experienced editors may choose to bypass the AfC process if they have constantly created quality articles. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 12:37, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for helping around, both of you. Misbah Haider (talk) 12:01, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

No problem. Feel free to ask if you have any more questions. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 12:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Misbah Haider Do you have a particular need for a speedy review? You said "we should wait"; who is "we"? 331dot (talk) 14:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Talked as a general thing that does everyone one has to wait that long for publishing of his or her article. Misbah Haider (talk) 16:55, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Misbah Haider, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Ungortunately, because Wikipedia is "the encyclopaedia anybody can edit", lots of people think this means "the encyclopaedia where anything goes, and I can put up whatever I think would be good". In the early days, this was more or less true, as a result of which we have thousands and thousands of dreadful articles, which should never have been accepted in the form they were written, and in many cases should never have been accepted at all.

Ideally, somebody would go through those thousands and thousands of articles, improving them or deleting them; but because we are a volunteer project, where people work on what they choose, this does not happen very much. (A particular reason is that the most fundamental failing of most of those thousands of articles is that they do not have adequate sources of suitable quality, and finding sources is often the most time consuming and difficult part of creating an article).

Today, we get dozens of submissions every day from people who have not spent a significant time learning how Wikipedia works, but have plunged straight into this extremely challenging task. (And yes, you are one of these, I'm afraid).

My advice to a new editors is always to spend several months making improvements to existing articles before even trying to create a new article. Once you have learned about core principles such as verifiability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and notability, so that you appreciate what the task of creating a new article actually involves, then is the time to try it.

Experienced users are able to move their drafts to main space when they wish. (In my view, the ability to do so is set much too early in their career). But I would advise that anybody who has not yet had several articles accepted should not do this, but should put submit it for review. Unfortunately, this may take some time (though the actual time is unpredictable), and editors can find this frustrating. But having your article returned to draft (which also often happens) is equally frustrating.

I know this is not what you want to hear; but our aim is that Wikipedia be as reliable as we can make it. ColinFine (talk) 17:46, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Misbah Haider Draft:Chen-Yu Sheu needed a lot of work, and still not clear if the refs provided establish notability. You can continue to work on it while waiting for a reviewer. David notMD (talk) 04:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

What is this...

Hello,

I found a page: Wikipedia:MAIN PAGE, it has dead links, such as on the word "Welcome" which brings to Welcome, newcomers. I am afraid to edit this page, as it may be an archived and not to be edited. In View History, there is only one edit from a Wikipedia user who created the page. Should this page be deleted?

Thanks,

Myrealnamm (talk to me) 12:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

The page was created on April 1, 2024 and is most likely an April Fools Day prank. See WP:APRILFOOLS for more info. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 13:00, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Nominated for deletion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I know this quirked-up layout from anywhere: this is a copy of the original Wikipedia homepage from 2001. Remsense诉 14:46, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Undo Edits on Poo Bear

Hello,

Could someone help me undo edits on Poo Bear? There's a ton of edits from 2a01:cb05:8078:c000:159e:a5e6:6fc1:e21e. I know that I am not supposed to (and not possibly to) delete intermediate edits, so I am looking for some advice. Thank you! Myrealnamm (talk to me) 13:43, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Most (or maybe all) edits from this IP user appear to be vandalism, for example, the References section of the article was moved into a table (which is clearly vandalism). I have given them a {{subst:uw3}} but they did not seem to take it seriously. Myrealnamm (talk to me) 13:45, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm, thanks for pointing that out! I've rollbacked all of their edits as they were quite disruptive. I've also warned them on their talk page. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Cocobb8I noticed another user that is making repetitive changes to a different article: 103.99.218.105. Could you take a look? Also, the edits were on different dates. Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 15:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Myrealnamm, the last 3 edits on the page aren't obvious vandalism, so I couldn't rollback those. If you want, you can edit the article as you see fit, but there isn't anything that'd make it possible to rollback those edits for vandalism. Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 18:22, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Ok, thank you. Myrealnamm (💬talk · ✏️contribs) at 22:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I add photos to an article via IPhone?

I’m currently on my phone, and I noticed that I can’t add media. If it’s even possible, is there a way to add photos? MemeGod ._. (talk) 14:48, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Have you tried opening the site in your browser instead of using the app? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:51, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Yea, it still only shows “cite” and “external links” MemeGod ._. (talk) 14:53, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@MemeGod27 It sounds as if you think you add images directly from within the Wikipedia editors like the visual editor. That's not how it works. You first have to upload the files to Wikimedia Commons: see Help:Pictures for full details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:15, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I’ve already done that, I just can’t add them to a file MemeGod ._. (talk) 15:30, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@MemeGod27 OK, I assume you re trying to add your File:Southwest Boeing in 2024.jpg to an article. Does the visual editor work on the article with your phone and, if not, can you try the source editor? For further help, please state which article or draft you are working on and someone should be able to help further. Typical text to add will be something like [[File:Southwest Boeing in 2024.jpg|thumb|Southwest Boeing in 2024]] or just the filename if used in an infobox. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:44, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

declined article

Hello, my article was declined 2 months ago for being too short. Since then, I've added more content.

Draft:Retrieval Augmented Generation (RAG)

The review queue is too long for quick feedback. Do you think there is enough content now? Thank you. Numiri (talk) 15:47, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Numiri That's a rather technical article, so in this case I think it would be acceptable to politely ask on the talk page of the reviewer who previously declined if they could take another look, now you have considerably expanded it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello there! I've added some maintenance tags that will hopefully help guide you in improving your article so that it can pass nomination. Best of luck! Remsense诉 15:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

to do list

Is there a way to mark articles for personal use to look at/edit later on? i.e. I find an article that I know I could improve, but I'm busy doing something else and don't want to forget. I know I could do this manually outside of wikipedia in a number of ways, but I'm curious if there's a way that could be attached to my account. Unknowngranite (talk) 16:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I don't think so, but there are a couple ways you can keep track of things. You can either add the page to your watchlist, open it in a tab so it's constantly sitting there and staring you down, or you can do something like I have where on my user page I have a collapsed box called my to do list. It's where I stick things I either want to make or want to improve. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 16:10, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Unknowngranite The easiest way, IMO, is to place links on your own userpage. Alternatively, use something like User:Unknowngranite/todolist (click to create this). Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

One question that I would usually hold back with at first because there's already a lot with the base interface to learn: are you interested in the idea of userscripts, mystified, annoyed, or not at all pleased with the idea of tweaking your interface constantly? Most people are not, but there's quite a good to-do list userscript if wants to dip their toes into such things.

Failing that—yes, people normally just keep scraps and other sundries in their userspace. Remsense诉 17:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Are people at a university laboratory faculty?

Armen Sarvazyan organized the Laboratory of Biomolecular Acoustics at Rutgers University. Not finding that he was a professor specifically. Would it be appropriate to categorize him as faculty? Or something more general like Rutgers University people? Flurrious (talk) 16:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Staff would be appropriate in general. Faculty is often, but not always, used to refer to people who teach courses. A staff member could support or conduct research. 47.54.38.15 (talk) 22:25, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

sourcing

alright, i'm coming across a beautiful WP:BFDI issue with an extension of the article for Serial Experiments Lain i've been wanting to do (partially for a GA nom), and i'm trying to extend this segment, however i am having a large amount of trouble finding reliable, real sources that wouldn't make the article WP:NOR, yet the idea of having the article mention these things has been sparce. i could easily cite the real parts of these things as a primary, however that's. not GA quality. i'm stand stilling right now with the segment but I have no idea how to exactly write this. I really just want to get the 10% to nom it for a GA, but I have no idea what else could be worked on outside of some copyediting on the later segments i'll do later in the week. any tips on anything that could be done besides try and just lose my mind over having like. one source. astral ▪️ he/him ▪️ >:3 17:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Ultimately, if it's not covered by RS, it should not be in the article. If that leaves what you perceive to be a hole, then you probably did a good job. Remsense诉 18:09, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

RS covers enough just. also not enough. its basically tip of the iceberg type stuff. that's why i'm on the fence about it. I'll keep looking but I might just extend with what i've fount on JSTOR today. thnx >:3 astral ▪️ he/him ▪️ >:3 18:16, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Best of luck! The GA process is really rewarding for editors, I hope you get a lot out of it! Remsense诉 18:17, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Questionable article

Hello i need help with Djong (ship) this article since it contains a lot of misinformation and need fact checking, but idk how to add a template or banner to ask people to fact check it, thank you Merzostin (talk) 17:27, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

You can add such templates pretty easily with WP:TWINKLE, which you should be able to use now. When you've got it, go back to the page, hit "TW" in the top right, then "Tag". You can add tags from there. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

okay thanks for your help, i have added the tag of "This article's factual accuracy is disputed. Relevant discussion may be found on the talk page. Please help to ensure that disputed statements are reliably sourced. (April 2024) (Learn how and when to remove this template message)"

but i don't think this is quite right, since it's not just one statement, it's basically the entire page need to be fact checked, which tag should i use? or if you can help me put the best tag for this sort of page Merzostin (talk) 17:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

It seems to be the most accurate tag for what you're describing, all you need to do is specify on the talk page how much needs to be checked. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 17:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

This article seems to frequently cite its sources. Are you concerned about the reliability of said sources, or are they insufficient to cover all possible viewpoints? Could you further articulate why you think the article requires attention? Remsense诉 18:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I've now looked at your previous discourse in the article's edit summary, and if I can recommend something: whenever you add a banner, or feel like you need to "clear the air" in an edit summary, it's usually a good idea to do it in tandem with a post on the article's talk page explaining the issue so others can clearly tell. People often have issues when people put banners on articles or perennially revert the edits of others without communication on the talk page, even if they are otherwise in the right. The sooner one develops the habit of posting on the talk page whenever they feel an issue needs addressing, the smoother their editing career will likely go. Cheers! Remsense诉 18:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

i already voiced my concern on the talk page, my concern is mainly Wikipedia:Don't lie, such as deliberately using a quote out of context to mislead readers, fabricating the real content of the source.

for example, i already removed the false quote of Chinese ships, but used by the OP to legitimize and describe Javanese Djong ships in the article.

Next i also removed 2 images again presented as Javanese Djong ships, but were actually Chinese ships in the source. This definitely led me to believe that there must be more fabricated lines here passed off as it belonged to Javanese ships, I know this is prevalent in the topic that has a lot of nationalist, again shame that there is no expert on the subject, who want to fact check the entire article to make sure it's not full of hoax and misinformation. Merzostin (talk) 20:40, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

I also have concerned about this, since i read one of the sources, but the source stated that because of lack of evidence in writing or painting, the author can't fully be sure of the Javanese ships vs Chinese ship, which both sailed through the same waters, although he did state that there were characteristic of earlier ship that could have better differentiate it, but that's not very concrete when it comes to ship of this age and that's about it. this was used by OP who created this article as 100% confirmation that the Chinese ships sailing or documented by foreigner was actually Javanese ships and technology (why he used images of Chinese ships), he def suppressed the part where it's highly inconclusive, while other sources he used (more credible and conclusive publication) stated that this images were def Chinese ships.

This is when it became more difficult, since there are a lot of unreliable sources, in a way that the source isn't conclusive due to lack of evidence and actual facts, and why i need help fact check it, i already fact check the easy one like the one i did remove, since that's 100% false.

@Verosaurus, this user hasn't been active since 2023. Merzostin (talk) 20:54, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

When Closing Your Own AfD

Quick question, When withdrawing your own AfD, should you note Your rationale in discussion, or include it in summary? Allan Nonymous (talk) 17:41, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Discussion. Edit summaries are not easily perused—as a rule of thumb, anything that needs to be communicated to another editor should not solely exist in an edit summary. Remsense诉 18:12, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Wrong picture on a page

How do I go about getting the correct image for an entry? The picture on Love of a Lifetime (FireHouse song) is a doodle from a child rather than a band's actual cover art.

This page has the actual single's cassette cover art: https://www.discogs.com/release/6741514-Firehouse-Love-Of-A-Lifetime/image/SW1hZ2U6MTc4MzE1Nzk=

am I allowed to pull from that?

Thanks!

Bilbohaggis (talk) 18:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

As can be seen from this Amazon.com for-sale page, Firehouse used this image for their CD release of this song. That version is clearly not taken from the image on Wikipedia, as the colors are slightly different; plus, that one is shrink-wrapped.

If Firehouse used a different image for the cassette version of the song, we can show that one as well. DS (talk) 18:11, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

To be more specific, that was the image on the version of the CD that was released in Japan. DS (talk) 19:46, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Table placement

Hello!

In this section WebSocket#Base Framing Protocol I made a "Frame Types" table and my idea was to place it below the "Frame Structure" table, everything aligned to the right of the page, but it doesn't look right. Dewycube (talk) 20:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Nervermind I found another solution. Dewycube (talk) 21:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Creating my first article, subpages, drafts

Hi Teahouse. I think Wikipedia is missing something notable. I'm going to practice in my sandbox first. Can I create a draft in my sandbox that can be eventually submitted as a draft article? I don't want to have to start from scratch again... maybe I can just copy and paste...? I haven't created a subpage. Do I need to do that? Saimoncole (talk) 20:14, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Saimoncole: Yes, you can work on a draft in your sandbox. When it is ready to submit for review, add this to the top of the page: {{subst:submit}} RudolfRed (talk) 20:20, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Saimoncole (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

egyptian arabic link

the egyptian arabic wikipedia link on the main page is bugged and hard to click on (im on desktop mode if that helps) Gaismagorm (talk) 22:52, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

@Gaismagorm,

Provide the URL of Egyptian wikipedia here.--KEmel49 (talk) 22:55, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

It's not just you, I can barely click it on PC. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 22:57, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

The URL on the mainpage is [2] and it is working fine for me. RudolfRed (talk) 22:58, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

In desktop mode this link is working fine.--KEmel49 (talk) 23:02, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

its less the link and more the fact that its hard to click on. its only clickable if the mouse is in just the right position. also for @KEmel49KEmel49 I can confirm that the link that RudolfRed provided is correct, and can be found on the bottom of the page in the languages section. Gaismagorm (talk) 23:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

it should be the first link in the 1,000,000 articles section Gaismagorm (talk) 23:07, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

For me, Egypt is second link in that section. First link is Arabic (AR) Wikipedia. RudolfRed (talk) 23:35, 7 April 2024 (UTC)

thats odd, wonder why it's different for me. Gaismagorm (talk) 11:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

View reduced on impact section

I don't know why it's happening but in my user homepage, whenever I sees my impact section,each time it produces different numbers of views.last time it was 209.6K and now 600 only.why does this happens.--KEmel49 (talk) 00:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@KEmel49, the number seems to be the total of the views of the five articles on the "most viewed (since your edit)" list. And on my page that list seems to vary randomly and the total views thus changes up and down randomly. StarryGrandma (talk) 02:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft

How do you change a draft’s title? Blackmamba31248 (talk) 01:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

See Help:How to move a page and move the draft into another draft with a different name. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 01:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello again, Blackmamba31248. CanonNi is right about how to do it; but it is usually not worth worrying about the precise title of a draft, because when a reviewer accepts it, they'll move it to the appropriate title in mainspace. ColinFine (talk) 11:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

How do I insert the boxes for description on my account page?

Hello everybody, I am a new user. Can I ask the question in the title to everybody? Thanks! Ross10201 (talk) 03:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I believe you're looking for userboxes. See the page I linked for more info. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 03:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Uhhh... Help, my edit screen is like this, and I can't get it off

Screenshot of my screen

Starixxgamerrix (talk) 04:53, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

it didn't work.... why??? I was trying to put photo proof, and ofc... I did not work.... this is not helping.. Starixxgamerrix (talk) 04:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I've fixed your OP to show the image. Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

thx! Starixxgamerrix (talk) 04:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

That looks like the wikiEd interface. I believe you can disable it in your preferences. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 04:58, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh, I did not realized that was turned on. I turned it off, Ty! Starixxgamerrix (talk) 05:03, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Np. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 05:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Starixxgamerrix: If wikEd is enabled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets then there is a pencil icon at the top right of edit pages to disable or enable it on the current edit. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Watchlist

My watchlist is blank. It didn't show any updates. Plz help BlackOrchidd (talk) 05:25, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@BlackOrchidd,

You can go there,you might get your answer there.Sincerely--KEmel49 (talk) 05:40, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Template:Douban : question about User change

Hello everyone, i fixed errors and updated the template douban with their current valid website @https://m.douban.com/ since the old site @https://movie.douban.com are now mostly used as a redirect with no update. But it was unfortunately removed by User:Dabao qian with no better change instead leaving it with a limited update and some code errors. His edit summary was that: (mobile site can't be used), and yet I saw no different change that will make others to under the meaning of his edit summary and change. I haven't reverted it because I want to know the meaning of his edit summary in Wikipedia policy. Was his summary (mobile site can't be used) a Wikipedia policy?
Thisasia  ^(Talk) 05:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

The regulars at this page will not adjudicate. Please follow the steps in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Sources into....

...articles:

• Source 1: Alien Agendas, written by Richard Dolan, ISBN 9798557741590. Describes more aliens, including a NEW one called a Mantis, looks like a humanoid version of a praying mantis wearing a Jedi-like robe as seen by Alien Abductees. States that these aliens, incl. Non-Earth Humans and other aliens are pursuing some kind of agenda, with ONE alien type pursuing a agenda that threatens Humanity.
• Source 2: This is Cosmic Voyage, written by Courtney Brown, PH.D., ISBN 0-525-94098-7. In this, the author said that he has remote viewed aliens, Mars, alien abductions, Earth's current civilization being destroyed and what is left will be like that seen in the Mad Maxx franchise, some kind of political entity similar to the Federation of Planets of Star Trek, and the like.

How do I turn these into articles? Appreciate the help. Four of Sixteen (talk) 07:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, are you trying to create articles about the books or cite the books in articles? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 07:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

You appear to be using another account here User:Aliens' Probes as well, can you explain? 08:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

WP:TUTORIAL may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Alread disclosed. The Aliens' PROBES account is listed on my user page as Terminated' due to a fatal glitch that threw me out every time I logged in. It is [No longer in use at all], due to the glitch. As to the other question oan the sources, I intend to place these in the appropriate articles as sources and as articles as well. As stated in one of these, a Mantis is some kind of insect alien people has reportedencountering. Imagine that YOU had encountered this alien on a UFO. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Four of Sixteen (talk • contribs) 09:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait... So you want to create articles based on speculative analysis books about insect aliens? '''[[rjUser:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Only where appropriate, like what is in certain articles about aliens in general, such as the one about the Grey aliens, also seen with this insect alien in some cases. In one of the cases mentioned, a USMC detachment had contact with reptilian aliens as well, and in the other book, supposedly a asteroid came close to hitting Mars, only that it stripped the planet of its atmosphere to a large degree instead.

I'm not trying to sound rude or anything but this sounds a lot like a fringe theory. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 09:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Not rude, etc. at all. Can a PH.D.(Doctor) put out anything like that, only to have people say that he is not a nut, but a doctor who remote viewed aliens. The Doctorate sure adds a LOT of credibility. Reminds me of Dr. Mack, another doc who allegedly dealt with alien matters. I have no idea what Richard Dolan is, other than being on the radio and the books. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Four of Sixteen (talk • contribs) 10:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Got old, phone acting up. Four of Sixteen (talk) 10:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Alien Agendas is "independently published". It is therefore not a reliable source, and should not be cited anywhere.

Cosmic Voyage is published by Hodder, a reputable publisher, and so may be cited as appropriate. It is nevertheless clearly WP:FRINGE. ColinFine (talk) 11:12, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Your second source is covered at Courtney Brown (social scientist). What more is there to say? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:45, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Article

Hello everyone I have added my first article on Wikipedia with appropriate guideline I need your suggestion if I have followed the proper guidelines or not can you please check my article Draft:Bhargavi Kumari Mewar and help me HimeshAudichya10 (talk) 08:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi. I don't mean to disappoint you but the article draft you linked definitely does not meet the appropriate guidelines. It feels like a blatant promotion. I would strongly recommend reading Help:Your first article first. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 08:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the response i will go through the same can HimeshAudichya10 (talk) 08:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Bhargavi Kumari Mewar has no references and is not formatted in Wikipedia style. See WP:BLP and WP:GNG and WP:42 for some guidance on how to structure and reference a draft. The article about Arvind Singh Mewar, her father, has problems, but gives you some idea how to structure a draft. David notMD (talk) 11:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Question

As far as you know, is there anything like UTRS on it.wiki? Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 10:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Your question is unclear. Have you read UTRS? Is there something there you don't understand? Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:34, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

It seems a perfectly clear question to me, Shantaviraj: Does Italian Wikipedia have something like UTRS? Unfortunately, I don't know the answer. ColinFine (talk) 11:59, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello, 14 novembre. I don't know the answer, but does it:Aiuto:Richiesta di revisione del blocco help at all? ColinFine (talk) 12:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine Unfortunately no, because the procedure is valid only for accounts blocked after 12 March 2024, when it was introduced. See also this. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 13:24, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre: Try asking on it:Discussioni Wikipedia:Ambasciata (where you may post in English) or it:Aiuto:Sportello informazioni (in Italian). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:38, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't being indefinitely blocked. Anyway thanks for your answer. Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 14:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing (Anyway I am Italian, so I don't need somewhere where I can post in English). Kind regards 14 novembre (talk) 🇮🇹 14:46, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@14 novembre: Answers here are available (perpetually, in archives) for any editor to refer to. As to being locked, I suggest you email one of the admins who are active on the former page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:11, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

On {{lang}}, {{translit}}, {{IPA}} etc.

I am frankly very confused by the morass of templates that have to do with displaying language text, transliterations, translations, and pronunciations, and I can't find any set of consistent directions on when to use what where (and why, and sometimes how). Can someone explain:

1. My most pressing question: is there a single template that will show text, transliteration, transliteration standard, translation, and pronunciation?
2. When to use: {{lang}} vs. {{lang-x}} (e.g. {{lang-es}}, {{lang-zh}})? And why does the latter permit translation and transliteration but not the former?
3. When to use {{langnf}} vs.{{lang-x}} with the translation parameter vs. {{lit}}/{{gloss}}?
4. Why does {{translit}} even exist if {{lang-x}} has all of its fields?
5. Why does {{IAST}} exist if {{translit}} exists?
6. When to use {{IPA}} vs {{respell}}, or if you're supposed to use both, how to compose them? For example, do you put one first, or the other, and what punctuation, if any, separates them?
7. Why does {{Audio-IPA}} exist if {{IPA}} already has an audio file parameter?

These are just the questions that occur to me as I write this, but frankly not more than 2-3 days go by before I find myself confused as to how to use these templates and a new question occurs to me, and I am sure there are questions I am leaving out here. If there is some unified policy on this please link. Brusquedandelion (talk) 10:30, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

User is following me around to undo edits

There is a user who makes promotional changes to virtual exchnage wiki (Virtual exchange), which I have deleted a few times. It now appears that this user is following me around and undoing edits. This seems rather disruptive. What kind of action can I take to stop this behaviour? 12Zebras (talk) 10:37, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@12Zebras: It's been almost a month since that user's last edit and they appear to edit very infrequently (7 edits in the last 3 years). I would not worry about it. If it happens again, you should discuss with them on their talk page. Tollens (talk) 10:43, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

You have been removing referenced content from Virtual exchange since October 2023 and more than one editor have reverted your deletions. You started an effort to have a discussion on the Talk page of the article but that has not yet initiated debate on consensus. That is the proper place to continue. David notMD (talk) 11:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Separately, you and User:Marcuslim 88 have had an an exchange of what is correct capitalization at List of family name affixes. A good-faith disagreement is not "malicious". Take it up at that article's Talk page. I do see that at that list, all the prefixes are capitalized, with the exception now that you have de-capitalized the Dutch prefixes. David notMD (talk) 11:55, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

How to move an article from my User sandbox to the main space

I've completed an article in my Sandbox with full links,citations, references but I don't have a "Move" tab to put it up - where have I gone wrong?

Preferences say I am auto confirmed and I've been registered since October 2022 and made 66 edits

Help please, thank you

Mornington Glory (talk) 11:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Hello and welcome, pardon my previous message that was in error. The "move" button may be in a drop down menu, but even if you are technically able to move the draft yourself, unless you have experience with getting drafts accepted, it's a good idea(though not required) to use the submission process so that other eyes see it and can point out issues before the draft is formally part of the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 11:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much - can't believe I thought I had checked all the drop down menus.

The article has been read by a couple of experienced Wiki editors and I did work on another submission which has stayed up Thanks Mornington Glory (talk) 12:02, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

User:Mornington Glory/sandbox now has a Submit option. Before doing so, remove the hyperlinks from the Lead. David notMD (talk) 12:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Sentences such as "There was no internet for people to find out their rights in those days." need to be excised. David notMD (talk) 12:09, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks David - a bit puzzled by your request I delete the sentence "There was no internet for people to find out their rights in those days." Grass Roots closed in 1990, I think the internet at that stage was purely an academic /not open access system. If I added to the sentence something along the lines -" It was much more difficult to access information in those pre internet days would that work. I think the point about access to information is important. Mornington Glory (talk) 12:44, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

It is original research, we can't use comments like that unless they are attributed to a reliable source.Theroadislong (talk) 12:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

How to create a table by combining other smaller tables?

Hello everyone

Hope you're enjoying tea.

I'm excited and happy to arrive at Teahouse.

There is a list of all municipal corporations in India. But the issue is, the tables are separated by states(there are 28 states in India). The issue here is, I can't sort all the tables to get insights on the country level. Like - which is the oldest municipal corp in India, which municipal corp has the largest area, population, etc.

What I want is to create a combined table, where all municipal corporations are added. I can easily do that by creating a table and copying it, but I don't think that's a good solution. As it would be hard to maintain them and information might diverge after a few edits. Basically, redundant information is hard to keep in sync.

What is the solution?

Is there any magic function to extract rows from individual table and use it in a separate table?

I've seen extracting the entire table itself to be use in different article(I guess it's called transclusion, example), but haven't seen any example for extracting rows.

Looking forward to your suggestions. Rollingkrishna (talk) 13:32, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

There could be a WP:TEMPLATE that contains the full actual table, but that takes a parameter to select a single state if desired. So {{Municipal corporations in India table}} gives the whole thing, and {{Municipal corporations in India table|Andhra Pradesh}} gives just the rows for that one. DMacks (talk) 14:10, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

So, there is not a ready to use for this? If yes, I'll look into, how to create a custom template. Thanks. Rollingkrishna (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Oops. I meant

So, there is not a ready to use solution for this? Rollingkrishna (talk) 14:48, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not seeing how this way of presenting the information is going to be of value to Wikipedia, @Rollingkrishna. If it's information you want, it might be better just to extract all the information from the existing tables and process them outside Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 15:06, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Besides information, the sortable table also provides basic insights. I can process it outside, but it would be better if every reader can also do it. If by simple layout changes we can provide both - info and insights, I think that's a good thing, right.

Although for this article, this might not be of great value to Wikipedia, but this is a generic problem. I had this exactly same problem a few more time. Basically, it's just opposite of transclusion. In transclusion you fetch data from parent table, here, I was looking for the opposite.

Thanks anyway. I'd love to convert it into a large table some day. Rollingkrishna (talk) 15:41, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

What is the equivalent of subreddits on Wikipedia?

I would like to ask what the equivalent of subreddits are on Wikipedia. I know that on Reddit, there are different communities depending on what you want to discuss and was wondering what the most similar thing you have to it on Wikipedia. The reason why I am asking this is because I would like to get a consensus on what to do with subpages of New York (state) and New York City. I'm not concerned about the main articles' titles as they have been settled by consensus. I am concerned about subpages like Geography of New York (state) and Geography of New York City and what to do with the page of Geography of New York. Should it say a dab page or redirect somewhere. I realize that there is a lot of articles on Wikipedia related to these two places and I am looking for a place to discuss multiple articles of same or similar topics. Look forward to your responses. Interstellarity (talk) 13:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

See WP:WikiProjects. WikiProjects are specialized groups of like-minded editors who contribute to various topics such as video games, elections, etc. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 13:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I guess WikiProjects are sort of like subreddits, they're smaller communities focused on a particular subject. WikiProject America would be attached in some way to those topics. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 13:56, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

There are dedicated WikiProjects for New York State and New York City. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:00, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@CanonNi, @CommissarDoggo, I have posted on the US WikiProject since it seems to be the most active one related to the topic on hand. I wanted to post somewhere where I would likely get a response because I know in some WikiProjects, you may never get a response. One more question for you, is there a list of the biggest WikiProjects on Wikipedia whether it's by page views or something else? Interstellarity (talk) 14:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's one sorted by size, but I use this bot-maintaned list and this directory to find active WikiProjects. Hope that helps. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk|contribs) 14:35, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

On that I'm not sure, but I can all but guarantee that two of the most active would be WikiProject Military History and WikiProject Video Games. The WikiProject FAQ says that WikiProject Biography is the largest. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 14:36, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Creating new category

Hello people of Teahouse,
I would like to create new category: W: Category:Natura 2000 in Lithuania. There are similar categories for other countries W: Category:Natura 2000 in Denmark, W: Category:Natura 2000 in Belgium, W: Category:Natura 2000 in Finland and others.

How could I create a new category?
I don't understand the instructions here – Commons:How to create new categories or subcategories.

 Frequently.by.train (talk) 15:42, 8 April 2024 (UTC)