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Thank you for volunteering

There's still lots of prep work left.

One of the things we're doing to prepare for the event is some rudimentary work on the page set itself - to give participants a better idea of what they will be helping to create, and to get co-coordinators more familiar with the project. We're in the process of finishing the intro section for each page, the region section, and the government branches sections. The lead section is the most visible, while the other sections I mentioned are the trickiest and most confusing (they have temporary text that's there as a starting point to save work, but it isn't accurate for many of the countries - for example, I used "parliament" in the template used to generate these because it fits many countries and produces a blue link, but there are a lot of countries that don't have parliaments and so it needs to be corrected for those. Some countries don't have presidents, some don't have prime ministers, etc.). If we leave the temporary text on the pages where it isn't correct, we'll get a lot of people pointing out "errors" that we already know about.

The first task I need you to do is...

In the section "Regions of x" (where x is the country's name), there's a section hatnote "Main article: Regions of x".

That hatnote is for the general context of the word "regions". However, some countries have administrative divisions called "regions", similar to the word "province". For those countries, that hatnote is in the wrong context and needs to be removed.

If a country doesn't have administrative divisions called "regions", leave the hatnote in place, even if it is a redlink.

Did that make sense?

Tabs and tabbing using Firefox and Linky will help immensely on this task.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask me (on my talk page, so Wikipedia's alert feature will catch my attention).

Thank you, and good luck.  ;)

The Transhumanist 08:22, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done What next, fearless leader? --Gimme danger (talk) 00:19, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
Ouch. I didn't see your reply until just now. Replying on both your talk page and mine speeds things up, because Wikipedia alerts the user when messages are posted to his talk page. I talk to so many people that I have to rely on the alert to keep track of threads, but that only works if you post something to my talk page. Even if it's only a "heads up" to let me know you've answered on your talk page. The Transhumanist 20:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I looked those over, and removed "regions" from the section on administrative divisions for all the pages except those you identified. Thank you.
Ready for your next task, eh? OK, here goes...
Each of the pages needs a description in its lead section. So we're copying the lead paragraphs from the corresponding country articles to these pages. They don't fit perfectly in context because many of them repeat information that we are presenting in the outlines themselves, but they are a good starting point which we can prune in subsequent passes.
I'd like you to start with the Z's and work your way back through the alphabet. Sharkface is working from the other end. I think he's gotten through the Cs so far. So you've got some catching up to do.  :)
Before you save each paste, please linkify the name of the country at the beginning of the lead. Also, please remove the pronunciation - that's too much clutter for simplified pages like these.
If you have any questions, please let me know on my talk page.
Good luck.
Have fun.
The Transhumanist 20:32, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm up through "N" right now. I was on vacation for 4th of July, so I didn't get your message until last night. Cheers, Gimme danger (talk) 18:39, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
All done! --Gimme danger (talk) 11:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

What is Around the World?

It's a collaboration!

A collaboration using advanced wiki-tools!

The event is being co-sponsored by Wikiproject Lists of basic topics and WikiProject Geography, and participants will be "traveling" all around "the World" visiting each country online (here on Wikipedia and perhaps beyond) as they apply advanced wiki-tools to improve pieces of the profiles of each and every country on Earth!. Each pass through these pages is a "trip around the World..."

The set of pages we are working on is currently located at Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics.

Each page presents essential information on each country in a topic outline format, for ease of overviewing and navigating. Most of the topics presented are linkified, which turns these pages into a hypertextual map to material about each country on Wikipedia. When completed, they shall all become part of Wikipedia's contents system.

The pages share a standard format, with the information on each country presented in the same general order. So rather than getting stuck on a single country trying to complete it, each participant works on all 200+ political entities, completing a single data item or detail across all of the pages!

For this they use advanced tools like WP:AWB, Linky, etc. It goes fast, and since others are doing this at the same time, it makes "the World" feel like a beehive, and the participants are its bees.  :) The energy is contagious.

And since you are moving from country to country, the tasks make it feel like you are traveling around the world, and you get to learn a little about every country as you do so. This approach also allows for greater efficiency, because by the time you've done 30 or so of a particular item, you've figured out how to finish it faster and more effectively (such as where to find the data or how to make adjustments), and this specialization speeds up development - but more importantly it reduces errors.

The tasks are varied, which adds even more variety to the project. Some tasks are look-ups-and-fill-ins, some are copy and paste, some are image hunts, some are maintenance adjustments, some are link fixing, some are blue-linking (creating an underlying redirect so a link turns blue), some are fact checking, etc.

For an example of what a nearly complete page looks like, see these:

List of basic Albania topicsList of basic Argentina topicsList of basic Australia topicsList of basic Canada topicsList of basic Ecuador topicsList of basic Egypt topicsList of basic France topicsList of basic Germany topicsList of basic Iceland topicsList of basic India topicsList of basic Indonesia topicsList of basic Iraq topicsList of basic Republic of Ireland topicsList of basic Italy topicsList of basic Isle of Man topicsList of basic Israel topicsList of basic Japan topicsList of basic Macau topicsList of basic Mexico topicsList of basic Russia topicsList of basic Taiwan topicsList of basic United Kingdom topicsList of basic United States topics

There are only about 200 more pages to go!

Standing by to help are co-coordinators, who can lend a helping hand to participants, provide instruction and tips on how to use the tools, and help them find what they are looking for. Co-coordinators also use advanced tools to inspect the work of participants, and touch it up as needed, or if a task was done wrong throughout, point this out to the participant so he or she can make the necessary corrections.

Co-coordinators are working on the set of pages right now, to familiarize themselves with "the World" so they can help more effectively by the time the main event starts. But there's still lots of preparation left to be done, and we are looking for editors experienced in advanced wikitools who would like to become co-coordinators.

The Transhumanist 03:38, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Still Adopting?

Hello! I was wondering if you would perhaps like to adopt me? I've been making random minor edits anonymously for a year or two, and finally got myself registered but now...I'm kind of at a loss as to what to do. I'm very interested in the Buddhism WikiProject. I'm just very worried about stepping on others' toes because I have come to realize I have no idea how any sort of organization procedures work here. I am clueless to the organizational hierarchy her and any of the articles/topics I've read on the subject haven't really cleared that much up for me.

And if you can't adopt me, do you have any suggestions of someone who might be better suited for helping me? Thanks! --gardsmyg (talk) 17:55, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Definitely! I'm on vacation right now but I'll be back contributing as usual on 10 July. Do you have any specific questions in the meantime? Give me an idea of what you're interested in working on here. Buddhism is a big topic; do you have narrower interests within Buddhism? Do you want to write articles, cleanup articles or perform more "behind the scenes" work like article assessment? Let me know and we'll figure out where to go from there.
If you want to get started in the meantime, check out the list below. Don't worry about stepping on toes. We encourage editors to be bold! If anyone gives you any trouble, it's alright, they're in the wrong. You're a good faith editor, and any mistakes you might make can easily be remedied.
Open tasks for Buddhism
Newly added Editing /
Missing articles Expansion










  • Rangjung Yeshe Translations and Publications
  • Tsadra Foundation
  • Dedrol Gonpa
  • Amida-Shu




  • Bakabrahma Sutta
  • Kama Sutta, contrast with Kama Sutra
  • Maha-Saccaka Sutta
  • Maha-salayatanika Sutta
  • Maha-samaya Sutta
  • Maha-sihanada Sutta
  • Potthapada Sutta
  • Upanisa Sutta
  • Nyingthig Yabshi
  • The Thirty-Seven Practices of a Bodhisattva
  • Entering the Way of a Bodhisattva
  • Phagme Nyingthig (Tib. spelling: 'chi med 'phags ma'i snying thig, Innermost Essence teachings of the Immortal Bodhisattva [Arya Tara])


Buddhism stubs









Merges Discussions
Cheers, Gimme danger (talk) 17:49, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for all information! I hope you have a nice rest of your vacation.
I think probably what I'm more interested in is the behind-the-scenes stuff and cleanup. Minor edits, fixing errors, maybe expanding a little on certain subjects. I don't quite think I have the gumption or time to really write articles from scratch or do any major overhaul work. Maybe sometime in the future, but not right now.
I'm trying to digest as many of the Wikipedia:articles as possible. I'm starting to learn more about markup and what templates are, but so far I haven't come across anything about etiquette. When is it appropriate to discuss something before making changes? When is it appropriate to remove flags? Should you even remove flags? Et cetera. --gardsmyg (talk) 18:35, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
PS: As far as Buddhism goes, I'm more interested in general principal and nuance between cultural interpretation, as well as mythos. I don't know where that leaves me. --gardsmyg (talk) 18:37, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Excellent. Cleanup and all that is my area of expertise. I would suggest that you read the links in the welcome box that I posted on your talk page for more information. If you have any questions about it, ask me here for now. I'll get a wikiclassroom setup in the next few days where we can keep everything related to your adoption together.
By "flags" do you mean maintenance tags like {{Unreferenced}} and {{cleanup}} ? You can remove those tags when the problem that they indicate has been corrected. Sometimes editors will cleanup an article and forget to remove the tag, so if you can't find any problems, feel free to remove the tag. Sometimes there will be a discussion of the problems indicated by the tag on the talk page, but in my experience this is rare, even though it's supposed to be standard practice.
As to discussion, you never are required to discuss changes before making them. However, on frequently edited pages you should discuss any large changes, deletions or additions that are likely to be controversial, just to save time. On infrequently edited pages, there might not be anyone watching the article, or talk page posts may not generate a response. In this case, use the Bold, Revert, Discuss method, wherein you can attract interested editors by making a bold change. Just make sure not to revert back if your edit is reverted and go directly to discussion. Gimme danger (talk) 19:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice. I'm not sure if being bold is in my personality, but I will certainly keep it in mind and try to employ the idea. Too timid of the sea that is Wikipedia, I suppose. Don't particularly feel like drowning.
Any other nuggets of wisdom? Thoughts on what might be a good place to actually take the plunge? --gardsmyg (talk) 01:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)


On that task I assigned above, if an alternate name is used for the country at the beginning of the lead, use this form instead:

Botswana, officially known as the Republic of Botswana,

Sometimes, it will start out like this:

Chad (French: Tchad; Arabic: تشاد‎‎), officially the Republic of Chad, is a landlocked country in central Africa.

In which case, change it to:

Chad, officially known as the Republic of Chad, is a landlocked country in central Africa.

Check out the pages that have been done so far to see how we've presented the leads.

Good luck.

The Transhumanist 21:11, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

What browser do you use?

The reason I ask is that there is a Firefox-specific layout graphics problem that needs to be fixed using Firefox (you need Firefox to see it, but I haven't had it checked it on all versions of IE yet).

On each page is a box which pairs the country's flag and coat of arms. On Firefox their heights don't match. Their sizes need to be adjusted so their heights match. Many have been done (one person was working from A and the other from Z, but I don't think anyone is working on them currently).

On at least one version of Windows, the flag and coat of arms match up automatically.

Please check to see how these work on the browsers you have.

The Transhumanist 01:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I use Firefox, but I'm terrible at layout sort of things. I can give it a shot after I finish with administrative divisions though. --Gimme danger (talk) 05:05, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
It's easy. There are two numbers given. Just adjust one of those numbers until the image heights match up. There's really no layout work involved. Just adjusting the pictures' sizes so their heights match. Piece of pie. I mean Easy as cake. I mean it's a piece of cake, and easy as pie.  :) The Transhumanist 20:06, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
I currently don't have access to Firefox, and I'm stuck with Explorer on a library computer. On this version of IE, the images match up, but on Firefox they don't.
The Transhumanist 20:08, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Serfdom in Tibet

Would you care to comment on the proposed move from 'Allegations of...' to '... controversy'?. I noticed that you appeared to be unhappy about the last move and afterwards asked Cumulus Clouds to comment, so I'd like to be sure you get a chance to comment fully in your own right before any move this time. Dakinijones (talk) 12:32, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... I apologize if it appears that I used Cumulus to proxy my response. I just wanted to make sure that they were aware of the discussion, since they had been so active before. I'll comment more fully on the talk page. --Gimme danger (talk) 13:47, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

More tasks

Your access has ramped up just in time, because mine has just dived. For the foreseeable future, I will have an hour or so per day on Wikipedia if I'm lucky. I'm so glad you've become available. I will devote most of my limited time on Wik to supporting your efforts and help you get up to speed. Here are some more tasks for you to work on when you are done with the leads:

Track down the administrative divisions types for each country

After the leads are done, the next task is on the "Administrative divisions of" sections.

In each of these sections, there's an initial hierarchical list of the division types in that country, followed by subheadings for each of the types. Unfortunately, the types listed are those from the template I used to create these pages, and they aren't accurate for many of the pages.

The defaults that I used were:

For each country, change the links to the names of the, adding links if necessary. Those that are subdivisions of another type are indented under that type. In most cases, you would leave municipalities in place, because that's a generic name for "city". We'll blue-link those later.

Also change the subheadings in the same section to match the initial list, including the "main" links presented just below the subheadings.

The administrative divisions for a country are usually in the government of x or politics of x page for that country, and can most often be found on a country's main article ("x") as well.

Add the administrative divisions to their respective subsections

For each country, find the list of administrative division for each type, and add them under that type's subheading.

For example, copy and paste the provinces listed at Provinces of Angola under the "Provinces of Angola" subheading on that country's list page.

See the countries listed at Lists of basic topics for examples of this has been done for those. If there's a map showing the administrative divisions, grab it too.

Generally do not add towns and cities to the municipalities section, as there are usually way too many of them (and will unnecessarily bloat the page). Instead, provide links to the various pages (Cities of x, [[[Towns of x]], Villages of x, etc.

You don't need to do all of the above in one pass. For example, you could do all the top-level administrative divisions for each country first, then in another pass take on the next level, etc.

The Transhumanist 01:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

P.S.: Have fun!

P.P.S.: Are the above tasks understandable? Do you need me to clarify anything? If so, let me know.

The tasks are understandable; I apologize, but I haven't been able to work as much as I had anticipated. Family's been more demanding than expected.--Gimme danger (talk) 02:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
What else are family for?  :) The Transhumanist 22:17, 15 July 2008 (UTC)


Hello! :) I seen that you joined my category "Wikipedians interested in feminism". Thanks for joining it! Also, I thought this might interest you. Have a nice day and happy editing! --Grrrlriot ( ) 16:24, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

issues with an IP on South Asia regarding Tibet

I am having issues with an IP regarding Tibet. They have been citing A History of Modern Tibet, 1913-1951 by Goldstein and one other book. I feel their citations somewhat ignore the pro-Tibetan information in favor of the anti-Tibetan/pro-PRC information. If you have read these books or have access to these books, please help. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 08:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Firstly, please kindly review what I added (and once partially removed/vandalised by user:Thegreyanomaly):

Tibet at times has governed itself as an independent state and at other times has had various levels of association with China[1], it became under Chinese control in the 18th century in spite of British efforts to seize possession of this Chinese protectorate at the beginning of the 20th century.[2][3][4]

The content above is well-balanced NPOV and well-sourced, UserThegreyanomaly's removal seems more like vandalism or POV pushing.

Secondly, I would like to show you the vandalism-like behaviour by user:Thegreyanomaly: [1] Obviously, with no explanation User:Thegreyanomaly removed the Unreferenced tag that I added here. It's obviously vandalism.

Please let me know if there is any question. (talk) 08:45, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

  1. ^ MSN Encarta - Tibet
  2. ^ Goldstein, M.C., A History of Modern Tibet: The Demise of the Lamaist State, University of California Press, 1989, p44: "While the ancient relationships between Tibet and China are complex and beyond the scope of this study, there can be no question regarding the subordination of Tibet to Manchu-ruled China following the chaotic era of the 6th and 7th Dalai Lamas in the first decades of the eighteenth century."
  3. ^ Gernet, J., Foster, J.R. & Hartman C., A History of Chinese Civilization, Cambridge University Press, 1982, p481, reads in part: "From 1751 onwards Chinese control over Tibet became permanent and remained so more or less ever after, in spite of British efforts to seize possession of this Chinese protectorate at the beginning of the twentieth century."
  4. ^ Petech L.,China and Tibet in the Early XVIIIth Century: History of the Establishment of Chinese Protectorate in Tibet, 1972, p260: "In 1751 the organization of the protectorate took its final shape, which it maintained, except for some modifications in 1792, till its end in 1912. The ambans were given rights of control and supervision and since 1792 also a direct participation in the Tibetan government."


Please do not use talk pages for general discussion of the topic. They are for discussion related to improving the article. They are not to be used as a forum or chat room. See here for more information. Thank you. Gimme danger (talk)

“They are for discussion related to improving the article.” That was exactly the idea, even if the comment was a bit short. Argumentation: _

From Wikipedia “Freedom of religion is the freedom of an individual or community, in public or private, to manifest religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance. Freedom of religion is considered by many in many nations and people to be a fundamental human right. [1] Today there are concerns about the persecution of religious minorities in the Muslim world and in some Communist states such as China and North Korea, as well as other forms of intolerance in other countries, for example banning the wearing of prominent religious articles such as the Muslim veil in some contexts in European countries. [2] Freedom of religion as a legal concept is related to, but not identical with, religious toleration, separation of church and state, or laïcité (a secular state). The Universal Declaration of Human Rights adopted by the fifty eight Member States of the United Nations General Assembly on December 10, 1948, at the Palais de Chaillot in Paris, France defines freedom of religion and belief as follows: "Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship, and observance." ... “

Some of the arguments were that the people of China supports the Panchen lama or not, and in that case how many of them. Actually, it doesn`t really matter, just as much as it would´t matter if the people of Finland or Sweden would do it. The chosing of the person for the religious title is not the Chinese Goverments problem. The Chinese Goverment is not a religious instansce. And the pople of China do not practice tibeten buddism, exept the ones who are in fact religious tibetans and live on Chinese territory. Who the religiouos leader is according to the finnish, swedish or chinese people is not really relevant since they do not practice the belive. Yours sincerely w.

Warrington (talk) 13:15, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Need help on South Asia ASAP.

>I have a wiki-stalking IP on my back making drastic edits without any consensus. Please help Thegreyanomaly (talk) (ignore as per email I sent you. Thegreyanomaly (talk) 10:41, 19 July 2008 (UTC))

You appear to be canvassing. I don't have the time right now to evaluate the situation in full, but it appears that 219. is adding material with citations at the least, so there's no emergency. I don't have Goldstein's book at hand; if you ask at the wikiproject (WP:TIBET) you may have some luck. I will be back on Monday and can review everything more carefully then. --Gimme danger (talk) 04:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


"Helping fight the war on error." Thanks for the laugh -- I needed that! Cheers, Unimaginative Username (talk) 07:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

You deleting other's contributions

Thanks for the message. If you choose to delete other people's contributions in discussions on the basis that they do not contribute to a better article, could you please be more even handed and delete arguments from both sides, rather than just deleting arguments that oppose your POV? (talk) 23:54, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for your concern. I do delete off-topic posts from both sides and thus have been accused of POV-pushing by both pro-Tibet and pro-CCP editors. I'm not sure which bias I'm supposed to push now, so I think I'll just continue doing as I have been doing.--Gimme danger (talk) 00:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I made a reply to the contribution in the Discussion of the Tibet article by a Kauffner below:

Russell Means issued a proclamation of indepedence for the "Republic of Lakotah" back in December.[2] It got a lot of publicity considering that Means isn't the head of any tribe and basically just represents himself. I've noticed that the usual Chinese response to a comment about Tibet is talk about American Indians, Hawaii, Corisca -- pretty much anything except Tibet. Tibetans just want to have democracy and free elections, and say goodbye to unelected communist leaders -- not so different than most Chinese. But somehow Chinese can't see it that way. Kauffner (talk) 14:04, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

You deleted my reply to Kauffner because according to you it does not improve the Article. Can you tell me how Kauffner's above contribution can help improve the article?

If you allow Kauffner's contribution, (presumably because you feel it helps improve the article) then you should allow the reply to it. (talk) 02:21, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

2525 in baseball

I was experimenting in my sandbox and inadvertently made a new page. Feel free to delete it, but pretty please with a cherry on top don't report me! Smartyllama (talk) 02:33, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I would delete it if I were an admin and would have changed the template if I thought that the page would stick around for more than two seconds. (Hmm... well that was an adventure in verb tense. I don't think I came out of it well either.) Nothing to report. Cheers, Gimme danger (talk) 02:56, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD input

Greetings. I am writing to make you aware of article The Young Werewolves that is up for AfD (2nd nomination) that you had previously provided input.Psychobotox (talk) 12:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Copyediting request

Hi. I currently have the article Insane Clown Posse up as a featured article candidate, and it needs some copyediting work. Could you help out? (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 02:23, 27 July 2008 (UTC))

Sorry, wasn't feeling well today. I'll work on this over the next few days. I'll make changes directly, unless you would prefer a different format. --Gimme danger (talk) 06:13, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


The Transhumanist 01:52, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

... I've definitely been failing on the getting stuff done front. Sorry about that. I guess I haven't figured out a fast way to do the administrative districts thing. Do we want tables with populations and things? --Gimme danger (talk) 21:42, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
Tables would be very time consuming. Simple lists copied and pasted from wherever they are on Wikipedia would probably be fastest. If they are already in table format, that's fine. We'll just make use of what is available. Lists of admin divs can be found in the country articles, in regions of x, and/or administrative divisions of x.
For speed, split the task up. For example, do the little hierarchical list of administrative districts first (for all of the countries). Then fix the subheadings for the administrative divisions section for all the countries. Then add the maps and lists of administrative districts (easier to do these two in the same step).
I'm in the process of recruiting more people to help you, so you won't feel all alone.  ;)
Also, you'll probably see me here and there on those pages - I've been filling in the location field for all the countries. It's a hierarchical list similar to the admin div hierarchical list. Check it out. If I can do it, so can you -- I've been using Wikipedia:OTS#Tabs_and_tabbing including Linky (for Firefox), a combination I find much faster than AWB for many tasks. Have fun. Feel free to contact me again if you start feeling lonely.  :)
You are using Firefox, aren't you? If not, you should install it right away, and Linky too!
The Transhumanist 19:01, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Come to think of it, if you explain in detail how you are doing the task, I may be able to provide better pointers. For example, I get around Wikipedia very fast, and have ways to work on many pages that I take for granted. (I often construct temporary lists of pages in a sandbox for navigation and task gathering, for example, by various techniques). Maybe you aren't using the same methods. So it would help me to know what methods you are using. The Transhumanist 19:18, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you very much indeed for your help with and commitment to Tag & Assess 2008. May I please trouble you to comment at the post-drive workshop? Your feedback will help us to improve the next drive. Thanks in advance, --ROGER DAVIES talk 10:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


Hey - you've previously expressed interest in a Chicago wiki-meet. If you're interested in coming to another one, take a look at Wikipedia:Meetup/Chicago 3 and let us know your thoughts. best — Dan | talk 18:44, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


You have been not signed up as an active member of WP:CHICAGO, but you have participated in discussion at either Wikipedia talk:Meetup/Chicago 3 or Wikipedia:Meetup/Chicago 3. If you consider yourself either an active or semi-active member of the project please sign up as an active member. Also, if you are a member, be advised that the project is now atrying to keep all the project's WP:PR, WP:FAC, WP:FAR, WP:GAR, WP:GAC WP:FLC, WP:FLRC, WP:FTC, WP:FPOC, WP:FPC, and WP:AFD discussion pages in one location at the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago/Review page. Please help add any discussion you are aware of at this location.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 17:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick note....

Thought you might want to take a closer look at this edit, which you reverted as vandalism. Reminder to keep an eye out when doing recent changes patrol! --jonny-mt 05:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Argh. Sorry about that. --Gimme danger (talk) 09:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Status report on Wikipedia:WikiProject Lists of basic topics#Basic topics lists for countries

There is only one section left (including its subsections) that needs to be completed before the pages are ready for Around the World:

  • Branches of the government of x
    • Executive branch of the government of x
    • Legislative branch of the government of x
    • Judicial branch of the government of x

There are a few more things that need to be completed before the lists can be moved into the main namespace:

  • Fill in the blanks, and blank [[]]'s
    • Population:
    • Size:
    • "(specific elections)" needs to be replaced by links to specific elections (by year, usually)
    • International organization membership
    • Commander-in-chief: [[]]
    • Economic rank:
    • Currency of x:
  • Blue-linking (creating redirects for) standardized items for which the articles' names are not standardized:
  • Fix other temporary links
  • Material in the lead paragraph(s) that is covered in the body of the list needs to be removed from (or moved from) the lead.
  • Fill in the External Links section

Moving these lists into the main namespace could have a huge impact on their development, because then each list will fall under the scope of the WikiProjects of the respective countries. That's a lot of WikiProjects that may become involved with refining and maintaining these lists.

The move will be accompanied with the placing of new sections on each of the WikiProject pages, their talk pages, placing banners on the talk pages of each list, and including links to these lists in hatnotes on the relevant articles and portals, and placing section links in the see also sections of relevant articles (Geography of x, Military of x, etc.). Lots of AWB work.

The Transhumanist 00:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Copy edit request

Hey. I was just wondering if you could please copy-edit the Pilot (30 Rock) article. It's been suggested at its FAC that it should go under a copy-edit throughout. Thanks for any help. -- [User]Jamie JCA[Talk] 17:55, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I'll do it tomorrow. --Gimme danger (talk) 22:54, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the c-e. -- [User]Jamie JCA[Talk] 18:18, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi! I'm back!

Hello. Remember that "the less time I seem to have, the more I actually get done" thing? Yeah, that didn't work out as well as I had hoped. This is the first time I've even been on the internet since May. Oh, well. Anyway, I'll hopefully have more time now for Wikipedia. I intend to work mostly on the religion wikiproject for a while. I just wanted to let you know I didn't fall off the face of the earth. A pyrate's life for me... (talk) 12:23, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey there, good to see you. I've set up an adoption classroom for you at User:Gimme danger/Adoption/Pyrate, so we can keep everything in one place. There's a place for you to ask questions. If there's something you want to learn more about, I can think up an assignment, an informal way for you to try out a new skill and for me to see if there's any help I can offer. When you get a chance, come up with a few ideas for a more substantial project that you'd like to try, after which I will declare you officially graduated. What are you thinking about doing for the Religion WikiProject? --Gimme danger (talk) 03:34, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
Additionally, if you want to work with religion, I'm going to start a project soon dealing with the Dalai Lamas and perhaps some of the religious concepts related to that lineage. It might be fun to work on together. --Gimme danger (talk) 03:37, 5 September 2008 (UTC)


Womanpower logo.svg Hello Danger/Archive 3, thank you for your contributions on articles related to Feminism. I'd like to invite you to become a part of Feminism Task Force, a WikiProject aimed at improving the quality of articles dealing with gender studies related articles on Wikipedia.

If you would like to participate, please visit the Feminism Task Force page for more information. Feel free to sign your name under "Participants". Thanks!

--Grrrlriot ( ) 02:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)


Hello, would you be interested in copyediting the former/future FAC The Other Woman (Lost)? –thedemonhog talkedits 23:48, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Of course. Are there any specifics that you're concerned about? --Gimme danger (talk) 23:49, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
No, just someone at the last FAC voted neutral because he thought that it could use another copyedit. –thedemonhog talkedits 00:43, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
Hi, it is no problem if you are too busy or do not want to do it for whatever reason, so are you going to copyedit the article? –thedemonhog talkedits 19:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm just starting school again and am too busy. --Gimme danger (talk) 20:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

picture uploads

i just opened an account, and i am trying to upload a pic on my grandfathers wikipedia page, but it wont let me. what do i need to do? TiffanyDyme (talk) 00:25, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Oooh, I don't know much about images. I would ask The Transhumanist at User talk:The Transhumanist. Sorry that I can't be more helpful. --Gimme danger (talk) 02:00, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Navy of Sudan

I have nominated Navy of Sudan (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Navy of Belarus

I have nominated Navy of Belarus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) for discussion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at the discussion page. Thank you. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • (Broken clamshellsOtter chirpsHELP) 16:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Navy redirects

We've been "bluelinking" the Navy of x links in the basic topic country lists, by creating redirects for them, even for the countries that have no navy.

There's been a little controversy over the navy redirects for the landlocked countries (many of which have no navy), as you can see above. But it's all been worked out. Each country with no navy gets a redirect to wherever it is reported that it has no navy, or failing that, to its "military of" article.

The country lists are coming along slowing but surely. It shouldn't take too much longer before they will be complete enough to move into article space (!), but I can still use all the help I can get. (hint hint).

The Transhumanist 20:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

We could sure use your help in bluelinking the links in these lists (the links also appear in the various country basic topic lists):

If you have any questions, please contact me. The Transhumanist 20:58, 23 September 2008 (UTC)


Hi Gimme danger. I saw your name at WP:PRV and I thought you might be able help me out with a copyedit. I've got Melbourne Airport up at WP:FAC now and a good solid copyedit would do wonders. Thanks in advance. Mvjs (talk) 23:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Edit on Ladakh Page

Hi nice to see your message, I was unable to see your message at time, I am sorry about that. I was just checking the site today and found that the page edit by me was not listed there, after that I tried to edit it once again but unable to do that. Then I sign in and found your message.

You have mention that the link was for advertising or for promotional purposes. Yes it is but that is to for promote the Tourism of Ladakh. There is no such site which provides the information link this site.

You will find almost every thing on this site about Ladakh like information on 15 NGO's, Monasteries, Trekking and Rafting and 173 Travel agents with complete address and there phone # so that the traveler can contact them to get the information. You will find the information of 33 Monasteries in this site which is not available on net on any site.

I have see some the site which is listed under External links of Wikipedia which dose not carry that much of information but still if you think that this site is not helping anyone or not provide that much of information to world then don't add this link. But I am sure that this is the site which provides most of the information for travelers about Ladakh.

I will request you to add this link under External links so that the world can get the right and complete information on Ladakh so that we can help to grow the Tourism of Ladakh.

Thanks and Regards Rohit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rohit bharti (talkcontribs) 07:41, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Spamming in Sikkim eh?

The link given has legitimate relevance to the Northeast India , Sikkim included, in case if you have not noticed. I hope you have taken the time to see the website and see if it is relevant to Northeast States. For any person trying to know about Northeast India or any of the states, he/she would like to know of external links that would provide more information. However I respect your endeavor to stop spamming. I am all for stopping spamming. What I cannot understand is how are the rest of of the external links already present in Sikkim different from the one I have addded? Ingudam (talk) 16:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I have looked at the website. It appears to be an amalgam of a social networking site, a travel website and a popular magazine. I don't see it's purpose on Wikipedia. If there are other spam sites on Sikkim, feel free to remove them. The existence of other spam on the page does not affect the appropriateness of your link. --Gimme danger (talk) 17:35, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
                                                                                                                                                                                      what did you say?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC) 

AAU reminder notice

A friendly reminder from the Adopt-a-User project =)
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Hey there Gimme danger! This is a friendly reminder to update your status at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User/Adoptee's Area/Adopters whenever it is appropriate in order to provide new users with the most up-to-date information on available adopters. Also please note that we will be removing adopters who have not edited in 60 days. If you become active again (and we hope you do!) please feel free to re-add yourself. Cheers!
  • Notice delivery by xenobot 14:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Peer review/List of Bay Area Rapid Transit stations/archive1

Hi, I am wondering if you could review the above subtitle. I've appreciate it. Cheers—Chris! ct 19:45, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry that it took so long. I've looked over the article and made one fix. Other than that, it looks good to me. --Gimme danger (talk) 01:10, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

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Adopt Request

Hi Gimmie Danger, I'm EntertainU and I would like to be adopted. I have been on wikipedia since June, and so far I love it. I have had two users tell me I should be adopted. I was in the adoptees area and found you to be the best choice. I have some questions about wikipedia that I would love to know. If you adopt me, I plan to be finished in about a month or two. We can still keep in touch too. I would love to have you as my adopter. entertainU (talk) 16:13, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry that I didn't get to you sooner. I see that you've already been adopted. Would you like an additional adopter or no? --Gimme danger (talk) 01:04, 20 October 2008 (UTC)


Greetings Gimme danger! I was working on an article about Swedish underground experimental band Meshuggah for some time and I am about to go to FA in the near future. But I need someone to fix the prose a bit - it must be high/proffesional level of English. It is really hard to find someone who can do this. Would you, please, find some time and help me with that? If you would have some notes about the content you can use Wikipedia:Peer review/Meshuggah/archive2. I would be really glad If you could help me! :) --  LYKANTROP  13:40, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll give it a look later today. --Gimme danger (talk) 14:07, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you so much!--  LYKANTROP  16:00, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
I apologize, but I'm not feeling well. I'll have to put this off until tomorrow. --Gimme danger (talk) 01:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
That is allright... Thank you for starting the comments! I am also glad that you like the article.--  LYKANTROP  00:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Good day Gimme danger. You said on the peer review that you posted your initial comments... Will you have some time to proceed the prose review? Have a nice day...--  LYKANTROP  09:36, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

I have a great deal of work at the moment. If I don't get to this by next Monday, please remind me. --Gimme danger (talk) 01:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
Allright...--  LYKANTROP  06:14, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
I just wanted to let you know that I haven't forgotten about you. I've procrastinated, shoving my work under the bed and I'm sure you know what pieces of work do when alone together in the dark. It's going to take me a while to track down and vanquish all the work babies, but then I'll get to this review! --Gimme danger (talk) 07:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! You have powerful English!--  LYKANTROP  09:43, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi there! I am glad you resumed the review! I answered your question on the peer review page and summed up the main task that I would need you to help me with...--  LYKANTROP  13:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Status report on the Country outlines (Around the World) project

Penubag has been hard at work developing awards for this project. He has completed a very professional looking medal, and is almost done with a trophy that is truly awesome - both of these awards are visually stunning.

I and a few others have been working steadily on the country outlines - one for every country of the world! They're shaping up nicely. So far, 28 of them have been moved to article space - these aren't complete, but they are complete enough to be made available for readers to benefit from them. The rest of the set still includes temporary data that was generated by template (because it matched most but not all of the countries), and before the lists can be moved to article space, all the temporary data needs to be checked for accuracy, and if incorrect it needs to be replaced with correct information.

The effort on the lists has been on 3 fronts:

  1. Working on the lists in article space to complete them so they will be good examples for editors working on the rest of the set.
  2. Adding or correcting other data (fixing redlinks, filling in blanks, etc.). The main type of work participants in "the contest" will be doing. The reason we're doing this is to get a feel for it, to develop the fastest methods for each type of task, etc.
  3. Improving the overall design and implenting changes on all 247 pages, whether in article space or not.

There has been some opposition to us running the contest based on edit counts or iterations. The concern is that we should reward quality work and not quantity, for fear of crappy edits done quickly without thought. I pointed out that the collection of pages are drafts in the Wikipedia namespace (therefore posing no danger to article space) and that most of the work needs to be done with power tools like AWB and Linky (which are specifically designed for repetitive work), but the reply was that we shouldn't set the precedent of rewarding barnstars for numerically-based tasks, and implied the threat of continuously MfD'ing the contest if we attempted to do so (like they did with the Awards Center - I was very surprised and disappointed that participants didn't step up to defend it). So we need to be careful in determining what exactly the awards will represent, and how they will be awarded.

Since rewarding iterations (passes with AWB on all of the pages in the set) are out, we really don't need the globe in stand anymore. Two awards should suffice.

Once we get started with the contest, I'd like to kick the whole thing off with a round of medals for those dedicated few who have worked hard on the project so far.

What do you think of all of this?

Your comments and suggestions are most welcome.

The Transhumanist 23:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Ready for another task?

Here's an interesting one for you: please fill in the commander-in-chief for each page listed at User:The Transhumanist/Country list.

It needs to include the name of the position and the name of the incumbent holding the position.

For example, it's been completed on the Topic outline of Algeria, and looks like this:

The commander-in-chief can usually be found in the Military of x article for a county, and it is also usually mentioned in the article on the head of state position (such as President of x or in the article on the incumbent himself (or herself). It needs to be tracked down for every country.

Good luck.

Have fun.

The Transhumanist 01:37, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, can't do this now. I'm too busy in real life. --Gimme danger (talk) 02:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
No prob. Please be sure to drop me a note when you are available again. Thanks man. The Transhumanist 22:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Village Christian Academy

You tagged Village Christian Academy as csd-a1, no context. I did a Google search for the school's name and address, and found that it is located in Fayetteville, North Carolina. From that, I was able to locate and add a reference. Sometimes when an article appears to lack context, a quick Google search will allow an editor to add context and create a stub worth keeping. -- Eastmain (talk) 22:16, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your point of view and your willingness to put in the effort to improve Wikipedia. In general, I believe that secondary schools are non-notable without demonstrated significant coverage and that a stub article is often worse than no article at all. Since there was no context in the article that allowed me to understand the basic nature of the topic, I thought it was worthy of deletion. Clearly, now it is not. Thank you for your note. --Gimme danger (talk) 22:24, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

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Copyedit request

Hi, I was wondering if you could copyedit an article I have been working on and is currently at FAC, Frederick III, German Emperor. Pretty much all it requires now is another copyedit and I was wondering if you could give it a quick look. Thanks if you can. --Banime (talk) 17:47, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Banime. I'll try to give it a look over within the next few days. I've got another copy edit in my queue though and a great deal of meatspace work to do. I'll do my best though. --Gimme danger (talk) 18:40, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Copy Edit request

Hey, I saw you were a copy edit volunteer so I was wondering if I could ask you to copy edit the Stella Power Station article. It passed its GAR a couple of months ago and is now under peer review, with the hope of then going on to a FAC. One of the things picked up on in the peer review was the articles prose. I've done my best to copy edit it but it needs a more experienced hand's work, so I was hoping you could give it a going over. Fintan264 (talk) 15:46, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


Hi, Gimme Danger. It's Roger Black. You said I could ask you questions on your talk page. Thanks. Do you know how you get pictures on Wikipedia? --Roger black2 (talk) 19:29, 25 November 2008 (UTC)Roger Black2

Hi there Roger. Images are the thing here that I'm shakiest on. I can point you toward the help table of contents. I think you're probably either interested in how to put images in articles or how to upload images. If you can't find what you need somewhere there, ask at the Help Desk. --Gimme danger (talk) 19:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Gimme Danger.--Roger black2 (talk) 19:42, 25 November 2008 (UTC)Roger Black2

Do lots of people use Wikipedia?--Roger black2 (talk) 19:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)Roger Black2

It's one of the most visited sites on the internet. You can find out more at Wikipedia, the Wikipedia article about Wikipedia. --Gimme danger (talk) 19:47, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, Gimme talk. Can I ask you for your name? As you know mine is Roger.--Roger black2 (talk) 19:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

My name is Gimme danger, but I guess you can call me GD. :-) --Gimme danger (talk) 20:04, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I meant what was your real name...Roger black2 (talk) 20:09, 25 November 2008 (UTC) I gotta go to work now so I'll try and talk to you tomorrow between 6 and 7pm. Goodbye.Roger black2 (talk) 20:16, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Gimme DangerRoger black2 (talk) 18:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi Gimme Danger. I have had some one elses help, Gran2. (I don't know if you know him).


Why do you keep removing discussion? Message from XENUcomplaints? leave me a message! 16:45, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Per Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines, talk pages are to be used for improving the article and not for general discussion. It is explicitly permitted to remove talk page comments that are not aimed toward improving the article. The Tibet talk page in particular tends to be a gathering place of polemic that needs to be cleaned out on a regular basis. As I am a falliable creature, it is possible that I've accidentally removed discussion that was not generic bickering about the Tibet situation and had something to do with the language, sources or structure of the article. If so, I apologize. --Gimme danger (talk) 17:11, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Hey why don't you revert the wholesale deletion by Bertport, but revert other's deletion based on Bertport's behavior? Glad I got you to do something, at least. (talk) 01:19, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm unsure what you are trying to say here. You may find this page relevant to future endeavors on Wikipedia. --Gimme danger (talk) 01:40, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
What? Go through the editing, and you will see Bertport was the one who started deleting the discussions. Food for the gander is also food for the geese. (talk) 01:56, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I see what you're getting at. Well, the edits in question were ones in which you deleted discussions that had direct relevance to improving the article. I still suggest that you read WP:POINT carefully. Wholesale deletion of on-topic discussion because you are upset that someone else has deleted off-topic discussion is disruptive editing to prove a point and not considered acceptable behavior on Wikipedia.--Gimme danger (talk) 02:56, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
So how did what were deleted improve the article? They were deleted for the same reason as bertport's reason. Fair's fair. (talk) 17:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
You can tell the difference between off-topic and on-topic discussions because has the article as its object, whereas an off-topic discussion has the article's topic as its object. Do you see the difference?
For example, "This article is non-neutral because it puts undue weight on the idea that the Dalai Lama eats kittens. According to Reliable Mainstream Source, this is a fringe viewpoint and shouldn't be mentioned five times, like it is in the current article these places (LIST OF PLACES)" is a helpful, appropriate comment. "Everybody knows that the g-d Chinese are lying about the Dalai Lama", followed by a discussion of the demonization of Jews in Nazi Germany, is NOT about the article, it is about the topic in general.
Persons who wish to discuss Tibet/Tibetan independence/Chinese politics have the rest of the internet. Here, we are writing an encyclopedia. The discussions that Bertport deleted were inappropriate for Wikipedia; the discussions that you deleted to prove a point were appropriate for Wikipedia. Remember, before you press "Save page", you like all editors should consider how your edit improves the encyclopedia.--Gimme danger (talk) 00:54, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

edit summary

Hello there. Thanks for the message. I apologise for the edit summary, as I wasn't paying too much attention to it. Yes I would be interested in the informal project. Please keep me posted.--pyl (talk) 10:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Secretary of sustainability

Just looking through my contribs for something and I saw I left you a speedy deletion notice for this article through Twinkle. My apologies! I noticed you moved the article while I was speedying it, but if I had noticed Twinkle had left you a message, I would have removed the warning from your talk page ASAP. Somno (talk) 05:19, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. I use Twinkle too, so I understand. I appreciate your thoughtfulness though. --Gimme danger (talk) 09:23, 12 December 2008 (UTC)