User talk:True Pagan Warrior/Archive 2

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Belated thanks

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Your support

...in Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship#HJ_Mitchell links to non-existent page True Pagan Warrior/RfA? Chzz ► 14:21, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Re:Admin coaching

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Offtopic

Always glad to oblige! . . dave souza, talk 16:50, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Haha thanks, I shall never go hungry again!--~T P W 16:55, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Ah, best to take no chances, time to stock up on flies cemetery. Hope you enjoy! . . . dave souza, talk 19:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

The food-naming practices of the United Kingdom never cease to amuse me. And here I thought spotted dick was cream of the crop!--~T P W 20:08, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

All genuine! I had to hie me to Dunoon at the weekend for some rambling, and in the tea-room queue at the Benmore Botanic Garden several of the walkers were expressing hope that there would still be flies cemetery left when their turn came – not sure if there was, I settled for a more pedestrian lemon meringue pie. All very nice. . . dave souza, talk 20:23, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Americans have no sense of adventure, I tell you . . . --~T P W 20:26, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Don't think that's true, just different traditions. Goes off to cook haggis, neeps and tatties for tea. . . dave souza, talk 20:41, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Admin Coaching

Hi True Pagan Warrior. I remember you contacted me a few weeks back regarding admin coaching. Would you still be interested? If so, please do let me know and we'll get started asap. Best, FASTILY_sock^(TALK) 03:35, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that was way back before the interface changed - do I have to click "take me back" to answer? Okay, now you have seen my lame attempt at wikihumor, and we can move on. That would be splendid. What will you need of me for starters?--~T P W 11:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Lol, A for effort ;) So before we get started, I'd like to have your permission to create several coaching subpages in your userspace, if that's alright with you of course. Regards, FASTILY ^(TALK) 02:36, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

No problem, create away. My userspace is yours to edit.--~T P W 10:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Great!! Please see User:True Pagan Warrior/Admin coaching to get started. Cheers, FASTILY ^(TALK) 01:05, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

circular reference Deepwater Horizon oil spill

Would you mind replace the reference you removed from the lead of Deepwater Horizon oil spill. That particular sentance has been the focus of a great deal of controversy, and I wanted to make it as clear as possible where those numbers are coming from (a summary of all the estimates detailed in Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill#Spill_flow_rate). The reference isn't even that cicular, it is the lead referecing a subsection. I know that it isn't standard and proper to do so, but I really wanted to WP:Ignore all rules and have that in there until things calm down on this article.

By having that reference in there, I think it will stop people from going back and forth in a circle fighting about it that sentance, and productively moving forward with the expansion and refinement of this article.

Thanks, - Aalox (Say Hello • My Work) 15:58, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

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Hey

Just thought I'd drop by and say hi since it's been a while since we last spoke (about inglorious backlogs if I recall! Zzzzz). While I'm here (see how I worked that in? ;) ), I don't suppose I could tempt you into a second attempt at RfA? Looking at #1, it was over 4 months ago and 44/17/8 ain't bad. I could do with a hand dealing with those oft overlooked admin areas (you'd be surprised how often the editprotected category backs up, for example). Just a thought... Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:11, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

That is just the sort of message that makes me want to snort derisively at my non-wiki backlogs and redouble my efforts here - thank you for that!

As for a response, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that, when the time is right, I do believe I will try again. The bad news is that my coach made me agree not to allow anyone else to nominate me. Yes, after our inglourious (am I over Britishising this?) conversation I took a long look at my RfA's vague reference to "backlogs" and realized that if I'm going to do try again, it would be a lot easier if I had some demonstrable experience rather than just enthusiasm. Fastily has a particular interest in coaching editors on the subtleties of images, one of the granddaddies of backlogs, and has been kind enough to take me on. I know that admin coaching isn't always in favor, but since it's pretty clear that Fastily's style doesn't help game the system, the potential downside is well worth the knowledge I'm gaining. (In fact, I've been using a surprising amount of this information off-wiki, so it's a win for me regardless of outcome.)

So yes, at some point I hope to seek the mop again. I'm very pleased that you support the idea! Feel free to stalk my coaching or otherwise be supportive. ;) --~T P W 03:30, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Ah, well I'd rather Fastily teach you about the file namespace than me. I have minimal knowledge there (and everything I know, I got from Fastily!) and the sheer size of some of the backlogs is enough to make anyone run away screaming so I stick to zapping the odd copyvio as it crosses my path. Let me know when you're feeling masochistic and send you an email with all my trick RfA questions (I have at least on that gets everyone!) to see how many times I can trip you up ;). I shall certainly stalk your coaching, or at least lurk in the background pretending I know what Fastily's talking about! Perhaps I'll give you a co-nom when the time's right, but I'm glad to see you haven't given up on the idea. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:47, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate the offer. In the meantime I will try to root out all your trick questions without emailing you, so I can knock your socks off by not being tripped up (I hope)!--~T P W 04:18, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

You can try! ;) I won't ask you about CSD, but there's a very nasty question going round at the minute that's sunk more than one RfA. Cough. I wouldn't tell you what that was, though! Cough, cough! :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:07, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Oh I think I know which one you mean. Honestly the question-of-the-moment does more to screw up perfectly good candidates than anything else. I don't think there's a good answer to the current one so I will wait to see what they're asking in a week or two. :-P--~T P W 13:50, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, actually looked at the link. I thought you were referring to the "drama of the week" question. It's a terribly tricky problem that isn't unfair because it can easily happen that way. I've always found CSD to be a tricky area overall and would probably defer to another admin rather than decline until I felt confident. Funny how a process designed to be easy is anything but!--~T P W 13:54, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

So if you were the only admin on WP and you came to that, what would you do? Bear in mind that I vehemently opposed the last person to get it wrong... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:59, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

This example shows me that evaluating based on the criterion offered isn't enough. Can't delete it under A7, but it must be deleted under G10. Had my RfA been ten days ago I almost certainly would have gotten it wrong because I would have looked at it too narrowly.--~T P W 14:05, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Indeed. Many people think that's quite a petty thing to oppose over, but that's one of a very small number of things that will prompt me to write "strong oppose" (or, in the last case, "strongest possible oppose", but there were other issues there). I clean out the expired PRODs quite frequently and you wouldn't believe the shit people put a BLP PROD tag on. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:14, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I prod articles only very rarely and don't know the back end of that process at all. I suppose you can simply remove the tag as easily as any editor, and that you're expected to exercise reasonable judgment to keep poorly-prodded articles from deletion. Is that a fair assessment?--~T P W 14:17, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

That's about right. I send some to AfD, usually because the PROD was contested and then restored, but some stuff really needs a speedy tag on it. I don't deal with A7, but I delete a fair few likely candidates as expired PRODs, then you get the odd negative BLP (followed up by a stern note on the tagger's talk page), copyvio, some spam makes it through. Around 80% of it though is crap, but not speediable, you just have to be careful to zap the stuff that needs zapping, because if you delete it via PROD, it can be restored on request. AfD is the interesting one- however you close it, someone's going to be unhappy! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:29, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Fairly closing AfDs is, in my estimation, the best example of what an admin should be doing. The fact that some of the opposers considered me "too deletionist" really stung me, because I believe myself to be balanced in my approach. However, my recent history at the time didn't bear that out, and I have tried to be more cautious in recommending deletion since. Improving the encyclopedia is a balancing act between cutting the crap and using the crap as fertilizer . . . I don't think we need more admins that are viewed as "inclusionist" or "deletionist," and I think the community agrees. Being able to see both sides of an issue and knowing the difference between one's opinion and community consensus is really, really important.--~T P W 14:48, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't get involved in the whole inclusionist vs. deletionist war, I just weigh up the argument in accordance with WP:ATA and the relevant policies. I tend to be slightly more delete happy when it comes to crappy BLPs, but I don't close that many- soemone else usually beats me to it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:56, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

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Talkback

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AfD nomination of Halloween Horror Nights (Orlando)

An article that you have been involved in editing, Halloween Horror Nights (Orlando), has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Halloween Horror Nights (Orlando). Thank you.

Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 12:41, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Long overdue in my opinion. I added a redirect from the above link to the correct AfD for both articles, since you probably left this message in a number of places. Feel free to delete it if that was too brazen an addition for your tastes!--~T P W 17:15, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that! I thought I'd done the template correctly so that it would link to the Hollywood AfD, but obviously not! Good call -- PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 17:25, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Anything to get another friendly, orange bar at the top of my screen! :-P--~T P W 17:34, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Reviewer granted

Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC).

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Well I daresay the eye reminds me of the old Eyewitness News logo - very retro!--~T P W 01:34, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmm, I think they dug it up from de.wiki, since they've been using full blown flagged revs (without the "pending changes" euphemism) for a while. I'm surprised you didn't have it already, but Amalthea wrote a script to tick the box and leave the above (sorry to disappoint, I never even clicked "edit" ;)) so I've been giving it out like candy floss! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

It's a nifty template regardless. The script may not be perfect, because I'm pretty sure Courcelles flipped the bit a couple of days ago, but I don't mind two people considering me "trusted."--~T P W 02:05, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

He did indeed. You weren't showing up on popus as having it and I couldn't be arsed to pull up your log to double check! ;) I'm told the script will template you even if you already have the right, but hey, your talk page is quieter than mine so you can deal with random tempaltes falling out of the sky. Speaking of things falling from the sky... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 02:38, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow, I think I know him. I really think I was born in the wrong country. You get things falling from the sky, Guatemala gets burrowing kaiju attacks] (unless you have a better theory than a giant, burrowing monster, of course) . . . it's much too boring here.--~T P W 02:52, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Ha! They could be twins! That's hilarious! That's given me something to chuckle about before I retire for the night! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 03:19, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

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You know, there really ought to be a checklist of things you need to do if you change your username! Sure, I wouldn't mind getting suggestions again!--~T P W 01:58, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

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Admin Coaching

Hi True Pagan Warrior. Just wanted to drop by, say hi, and give you a friendly reminder that I have responded at your coaching page. If you need more time, please feel free to take as much as you need. Regards, FASTILY ^(TALK) 19:10, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

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Barnstar

		The Modest Barnstar
		This Modest barnstar is awarded to True Pagan Warrior for copy editing articles totalling 4,108 words during the Guild of Copy Editors July 2010 backlog drive. Your contributions are appreciated!--Diannaa ^(Talk) 15:07, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

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November 2010 backlog elimination drive update

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive!

Discussions are underway to elect our inaugural group of GOCE Coordinators. Guild members and Drive participants are invited to have a look at the Coordinators page and join the discussion on its associated talk page.

We have reached the midway point in our backlog elimination drive, so here is an update.

Participation report — The November drive has 53 participants at this point. We had 77 participants in the September drive. In July, 95 people signed up for the drive, and in May we had 36. If you are not participating, it is not too late to join!

Progress report — The drive is quite successful so far, as we have already almost reached our target of a 10% reduction in the number of articles in the backlog. We are doing very well at keeping our Requests page clear, as those articles count double for word count for this drive.

Please keep in mind the possibility of removing other tags when you are finished with an article. If the article no longer needs {{cleanup}}, {{wikify}}, or other similar maintenance tags, please remove them, as this will make the tasks of other WikiProjects easier to complete. Thanks very much for participating in the Drive, and see you at the finish line!

Your drive coordinators –The Utahraptor ^{Talk to me}/_{Contributions}, S Masters (talk), and Diannaa ^(Talk)

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GOCE elections

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors

Elections are currently underway for our inaugural Guild coordinators. The voting period will run for 14 days: 00:01 UTC, Friday 1 December – 23:59 UTC, Tuesday 14 December. All GOCE members in good standing, as well as past participants of any of the Guild's Backlog elimination drives, are eligible to vote. There are six candidates vying for four positions. The candidate with the highest number of votes will become the Lead Coordinator, therefore, your vote really matters! Cast your vote today.

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors via SMasters using AWB on 02:33, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

November 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive Conclusion

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive!

We have reached the end of our fourth backlog elimination drive. Thanks to all who participated.

Stats

58 people signed up for this drive. Of these, 48 people participated in the drive.
Although we did not eliminate the months we planned to (January, February, and March 2009; and August, September, and October 2010), we did reduce the backlog by 627 articles (11.2%), which was over our goal of 10%.
49 awards will go out to 33 of 48 participants. Check out the complete list of barnstar winners here.

Barnstars

If you copy edited at least 4,000 words, you qualify for a barnstar. If you participated in the September 2010 backlog elimination drive, you may have earned roll-over words (more details can be found here). These roll-over words count as credit towards earning barnstars, except for leaderboard awards. We will be delivering these barnstars within the next couple of weeks.

Our next drive is scheduled for January 2011. In the meantime, please consider helping out at the Wikification drive or any of the other places where help with backlogs is needed.

Thank you for participating in the last 2010 backlog elimination drive! We look forward to seeing you in January!

Your drive coordinators –The Utahraptor ^{Talk to me}/_{Contributions}, S Masters (talk), and Diannaa ^(Talk)

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GOCE Year-end Report

Season's Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors

We have reached the end of the year, and what a year it has been! The Guild of Copy Editors was full of activity, and we achieved numerous important milestones in 2010. Read all about these in the Guild's 2010 Year-End Report.

Highlights

Membership grows to 503 editors
2,589 articles removed through four Backlog elimination drives
Our encounter with Jimbo Wales
Guild home pages reorganized and redesigned
Report on our inaugural elections
Guild Plans for 2011
New barnstars introduced
Requests page improved
Sign up for the January 2011 Backlog elimination drive!

Get your copy of the Guild's 2010 Year-End Report here On behalf of the Guild, we take this opportunity to wish you Season's Greetings and Happy New Year. See you in 2011!
– Your Coordinators: S Masters (lead), Diannaa, The Utahraptor, and Tea with toast.

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 07:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

GOCE drive news

Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 backlog elimination drive

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 Backlog elimination drive! The drive is halfway over, so here are some mid-drive stats.

Participation

So far, 43 people have signed up for this drive. Of these, 25 have participated. If you signed up for the drive but haven't participated yet, it's not too late! Try to copy edit at least a few articles. Remember, if you have rollover words from the last drive, you will lose them if you do not participate in this drive. If you haven't signed up for the drive yet, you can sign up now.

Progress report

We have eliminated two months from the backlog – January and February 2009. One of our goals is to eliminate as many months as possible from the 2009 backlog. Please help us reduce the size of this part of the backlog if you haven't already. Another goal is to reduce the entire backlog by 10%, or by 515 articles. Currently, we have eliminated 375 articles from the queue, so if each participant copy edits four more articles, we will reach that goal.

Thank you for participating in the January 2011 drive. We anticipate it will be another big success!

Your drive coordinators –S Masters (talk), Diannaa ^(Talk), The Utahraptor ^{Talk to me}, and Tea with toast (Talk)

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GOCE January Backlog elimination drive conclusion

Guild of Copy Editors January 2011 Backlog elimination drive

Greetings from the January 2011 Backlog elimination drive! We have reached the end of the month and the end of another successful drive; thanks to all who participated.

Statistics

54 people signed up for the year's first Backlog elimination drive. Of these, 40 participated.
One of our goals was to reduce the size of the backlog by at least 10%. We managed to reduce the backlog by 633 articles, or about 12%.
Another goal was to eliminate as many 2009 months as possible from the queue. We eliminated January, February, March, and April—4 out of 12 months is not bad! In addition, we eliminated 37% of all remaining 2009 articles from the queue.
Chaosdruid copy edited Kutch Gurjar Kashtriya for 32,711 words, which is the largest single article completed in one of our drives so far. This article counts as six 5000-K articles, and Chaosdruid wins the "most 5000-K articles" leaderboard category. Way to go! A complete list of individual results is here.

Barnstars

If you copy edited at least 4,000 words, you qualify for a barnstar. If you participated in the November 2010 Backlog elimination drive, you may have earned roll-over words (more details can be found here). These roll-over words count as credit towards earning barnstars, except for leaderboard awards. We will be delivering the barnstars within the next couple of weeks.

Thank you for participating in this year's first Backlog elimination drive! We hope to see you in March.

Your drive coordinators –S Masters (talk), Diannaa (talk), The Utahraptor (talk), and Tea with toast (talk)

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GOCE drive newsletter

The Guild of Copy Editors – May 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive

The Guild of Copy Editors invite you to participate in the May 2011 Backlog Elimination Drive, a month-long effort to reduce the backlog of articles that require copy-editing. The drive began on May 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and will end on May 31 at 23:59 (UTC). The goals of this backlog elimination drive are to eliminate as many articles as possible from the 2009 backlog and to reduce the overall backlog by 15%. ! NEW ! In an effort to encourage the final elimination of all 2009 articles, we will be tracking them on the leaderboard for this drive.

Awards and barnstars
A range of barnstars will be awarded to active participants. Some are exclusive to GOCE drives. More information on awards can be found on the main drive page.

We look forward to meeting you on the drive! Your GOCE coordinators: SMasters, Diannaa, Tea with toast, Chaosdruid, and Torchiest

You are receiving a copy of this newsletter as you are a member of the Guild of Copy Editors, or have participated in one of our drives. If you do not wish to receive future newsletters, please add you name here. Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 09:07, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

GOCE elections

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors

Elections are currently underway for our Guild coordinators. The voting period will run for 14 days and ends on June 30, 23:59 UTC. All GOCE members in good standing, as well as past participants of any of the Guild's Backlog elimination drives, are eligible to vote. The candidate with the highest number of votes will become the Lead Coordinator, therefore, your vote really matters! There is also a referendum to appoint a Coordinator Emeritus. Cast your vote today.

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 08:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive invitation

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors

The latest GOCE backlog elimination drive is under way! It began on 1 July and so far 18 people have signed up to help us reduce the number of articles in need of copyediting.

This drive will give a 50% bonus for articles edited from the GOCE requests page. Although we have cleared the backlog of 2009 articles there are still 3,935 articles needing copyediting and any help, no matter how small, would be appreciated.

We are appealing to all GOCE members, and any other editors who wish to participate, to come and help us reduce the number of articles needing copyediting, as well as the backlog of requests. If you have not signed up yet, why not take a look at the current signatories and help us by adding your name and copyediting a few articles. Barnstars will be given to anyone who edits more than 4,000 words, with special awards for the top 5 in the categories: "Number of articles", "Number of words", and "Number of articles of over 5,000 words".

>>> Sign-up now <<<

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 09:33, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

GOCE drive newsletter

Invitation from the Guild of Copy Editors

The Guild of Copy Editors invites you to participate in their September 2011 Backlog elimination drive, a month-long effort to reduce the size of the copy editing backlog. The drive will begin on September 1 at 00:00 (UTC) and will end on September 30 at 23:59 (UTC). We will be tracking the number of 2010 articles in the backlog, as we want to copy edit as many of those as possible. Please consider copy editing an article that was tagged in 2010. Barnstars will be given to anyone who edits more than 4,000 words, with special awards for the top 5 in the categories "Number of articles", "Number of words", and "Number of articles of over 5,000 words". See you at the drive! – Your drive coordinators: Diannaa, Chaosdruid, The Utahraptor, Slon02, and SMasters.

>>> Sign up now <<<

Sent on behalf of the Guild of Copy Editors using AWB on 17:20, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

GOCE Newsletter

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive! We have now passed the halfway point, so here's an update.

Progress Report - Progress toward the targets has been good. 751 articles out of the approximately 1,600 we would like to get completed by the end of the month were done by July 15, so we will be very close to meeting the target for volume. However, we would like to clear all of the 2008 articles from the backlog, and there are still 892 left to do. Please consider choosing one of these older articles when looking for something to copy edit. If we focus our firepower we can completely wipe out 2008 from the queue.

Participation Report - 95 people signed up for the July drive. This is a great result compared to May, when we had 36. However, in May only one person that signed up didn't do any copy edits, and in July only 59 of the 95 have posted any copy edits on the big board.

The task may seem insurmountable but please remember that if all 95 participants copy edit just one article a day from now until the end of the month, we will eliminate 1,300 more articles from the backlog. So please consider participating at whatever level you can! All contributions are appreciated.

This newsletter was prepared for the GOCE by Diannaa ^(Talk), S Masters (talk), and The Raptor ^{Let's talk}.

My participation in this drive was not as significant as I had hoped; this was the beginning of a semi-wikibreak for me.--~T P W 20:29, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

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A cup of coffee for you!

Because you like it, and because it's time to test this heart button! ~T P W 20:53, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Thank-you for your interest in my study

Thank-you for your interest in the study I am conducting, entitled “Online Self-presentation among Wikipedians.” I appreciate your willingness to let me analyze your user page.

To be included in my survey, please answer these five short questions about your user page. Your answers will help me to understand your motivations for creating a user page such as yours. Please be as brief or as thorough as you like.

Thanks!

5 QUESTIONS

1. Are you a member of social networks such Facebook or MySpace?

2. In addition to maintaining a user page in Wikipedia, have you also written or edited articles? If so, about how many times?

3. What are the key messages about yourself that you hope to convey with your user page?

4. Have your Wikipedia contributions ever received feedback, such as being edited by others or commented on? Have you received a message from another Wikipedia user? If so, do you think your user page positively or negatively affected what other people said and how they said it?

5. Do you see your “online self” as being different from your “offline self?” Can you elaborate?

Please indicate your answers to these questions on your talk page, or on mine. Please respond by October 1st so that I have time to properly read your responses. If you like, you can email your answers to me instead (jmcvea@ualberta.ca).

Thank you again : )

Johnpaulmcvea (talk) 22:21, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

ADDITONAL INFORMATION

Background

• I am asking you to participate in a research project that is part of my MA degree.

• I am asking you because you have created a user page in Wikipedia that other people can use to learn about you.

Purpose

• My research is about how people present themselves online.

• I will look at how people present themselves when presenting themselves to the Wikipedia community.

Study Procedures

• With your consent, I will analyze the language of your user page and gather basic statistics such as the count of words, the frequency of words, the number of sections, and so on.

• I will also read the text of your user page, looking for elements in common with ads posted by other people. I will note whether you include a picture, or links to other content on the internet.

• I ask you to answer my five questions, above. This will take about ten to fifteen minutes to complete. I will ask you to answer the questions within a week, and send your answers to me.

• Throughout my research, I will adhere to the University of Alberta Standards for the Protection of Human Research Participants, which you can view at http://www.uofaweb.ualberta.ca/gfcpolicymanual/policymanualsection66.cfm

Benefits

• There is no direct benefit to you for participating in this research. You may, however, find it interesting to read my perspective on how you present yourself online.

• I hope that the information I get from doing this study will help understand how technology affects the way people come together into a society.

• There is no reward or compensation for participating in this research.

Risk

• There is no direct risk for participating in this research.

Voluntary Participation

• You are under no obligation to participate in this study. Participation is completely voluntary.

• You can opt out of this study at any time before October 10, 2011, with no penalty. You can ask to have me withdraw any data that I have collected about you. Even if you agree to be in the study, you can change your mind and withdraw.

• If you decline to continue or you wish to withdraw from the study, your information will be removed from the study at your request.

Confidentiality

• This research will be used to support a project that is part of my MA degree.

• A summary of my research will be available on the University of Alberta website.

• Your personally identifiable information will be deleted and digitally shredded as soon as I have finished gathering data about you.

• Data will be kept confidential. Only I will have access to the computer file containing the data. It will be password protected. It will not be sent by email or stored online.

• I will always handle my data in compliance with University of Alberta standards.

• If you would like to receive a copy of my final report, please ask.

Further Information

• If you have any further questions regarding this study, please do not hesitate to contact Dr. Stanley Varnhagen, my research advisor for this project. If you have concerns about this study, you may contact the University of Alberta Research Ethics Committee at 780-492-2615. This office has no affiliation with the study investigators.

INDICATING CONSENT

By answering these questions, you indicate your agreement with the following statements:

• That you understand that you have been asked to be in a research study.

• That you have read and received a copy of the Information Sheet, attached below (“Additional Information”).

• That you understand the benefits and risks involved in taking part in this research study.

• That you have had an opportunity to ask questions and discuss this study.

• That you understand that you are free to refuse to participate, or to withdraw from the study at any time, without consequence, and that your information will be withdrawn at your request.

• That the issue of confidentiality been explained to you and that you understand who will have access to your information (see “Additional Information”).

• That you agree to participate.

Thank-you again!

Re: Shahara

I'm more of a rabid foaming deletionist to be honest, but! I'm willing to provide deleted material and will restore if you can provide sources (otherwise I'll probably restore and send to AFD). Kwsn (Ni!) 15:35, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

GOCE Invitation

There are currently
2,528 articles in the backlog.
You can help us! Join the
September 2010 drive today!

The Guild of Copy-Editors – September 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive

The Wikipedia Guild of Copy-Editors invite you to participate in the September 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive, a month-long effort to reduce the backlog of articles that require copy-editing. The drive will begin on 1 September at 00:00 (UTC) and will end on 30 September at 23:59 (UTC). The goals for this drive are to eliminate 2008 from the queue and to reduce the backlog to fewer than 5,000 articles.

Sign-up has already begun at the September drive page, and will be open throughout the drive. If you have any questions or concerns, please leave a message on the drive's talk page.

Before you begin copy-editing, please carefully read the instructions on the main drive page. Please make sure that you know how to copy-edit, and be familiar with the Wikipedia Manual of Style.

Awards and barnstars
A range of barnstars will be awarded to active participants. Some are exclusive to GoCE drives. More information on awards can be found on the main drive page.

Thank you; we look forward to meeting you on the drive!
— ɳorɑfʈ^Talk! and S Masters (talk).

I believe I was largely inactive during this time.--~T P W 12:04, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Re: List of common misconceptions

Thanks for your advice, I wasn't aware people didn't know everyone thinks bananas are fruits, and the fact that they are herbs is sourced in the article. I'll look into it and resubmit.

PS: Ouch! You've used a template to send a message to an experienced editor. Please review Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars or maybe listen to a little advice. Doesn't this feel cold, impersonal, and canned? It's meant in good humor. Best wishes. Frank Westerton Talk Contributions 12:33, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Hudson Valley

If the anon really wishes to do this right, they'll actually create the AfD instead of just putting the tag on. And if they do, I suspect it will be speedy keep as the shortage of references isn't a reason to delete the article (No, we're not the German Wikipedia) and I think plenty of people who contribute to an AfD will see that.

I also wonder if this is some sort of disruptive nomination by a sock of someone who's upset that some article dear to their hearts got deleted for that sort of reason. This anon comes along pretty knowledgeable in WP policy; then is followed by a registered account. Hmmmm ... Daniel Case (talk) 20:40, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

I'll just give him the chance to actually finish starting the AfD ... you'd think that huge redlink in the middle of the tag would blink when the actual AfD hasn't been created. If he hasn't done it within, say, 24 hours, we can take the tag off.

I've done some further digging and it looks like Usnetizen is a bit ticked about having an addition to Lehigh Valley reverted. So he's trying to prove a point. Daniel Case (talk) 20:48, 28 September 2011 (UTC) So do I, but I'll let it play out a bit before doing anything. Daniel Case (talk) 20:53, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Review

Greetings. I noticed that you gave valuable feedback at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Hudson Valley Rail Trail/archive1 and said "I am going to review the criteria more carefully before I actually support." That was about a week ago. The article currently has been supported by two people. If you finish reviewing and support the article, it will probably pass GA status. But if you don't get to it, it will probably time out and fail to be promoted very soon. I just wanted to let you know. All the best, – Quadell ^(talk) 17:25, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I had no idea that the article was at a tipping point - thank you, I will right now!--~T P W 18:59, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Archive bot on Talk:Occupy Wall Street

Hey TPW, can you enable archiving there now? The number of open threads is at 102... Steven Walling • talk 23:30, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

I tweaked the settings somewhat. Someone had changed it to archive after three days, but only if at least 50 threads met that criterion. I set it back to a minimum threads to archive of two. Should clear on the jam fully tomorrow.

November copy edit drive

Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors Backlog Elimination Drive!

The Wikipedia Guild of Copy-Editors invites you to participate in the November 2010 Backlog Elimination Drive, a month-long effort to reduce the backlog of articles that require copy-editing. The drive will begin on 1 November at 00:00 (UTC) and will end on 30 November at 23:59 (UTC). The goal for this drive is to reduce the backlog by 10% (approximately 500 articles). We hope to focus our efforts on the oldest three months (January, February, and March 2009) and the newest three months (September, October, and November 2010) of articles in the queue.

Sign-up has already begun at the November drive page, and will be open throughout the drive. If you have any questions or concerns, please leave a message on the drive's talk page.

Before you begin copy-editing, please carefully read the instructions on the main drive page. Please make sure that you know how to copy-edit, and be familiar with the Wikipedia Manual of Style.

Awards and barnstars

A range of barnstars will be awarded to active participants, some of which are exclusive to GOCE drives. More information on awards can be found on the main drive page.

Thank you; we look forward to meeting you on the drive!
— The Utahraptor ^{Talk to me}/_{Contributions}, S Masters (talk), and Diannaa ^(Talk)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])

Note to self: {{unsigned}} isn't one of those templates which is smart enough to figure things out for itself.--~T P W 17:10, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Facepalm

I notice you've been editing it. No-one has contributed good sources to it yet, or indeed any sources, least of all the people who voted in the deletion discussion. Is there no action we can take against this rubbish article? --2.98.190.178 (talk) 16:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

The community wishes to keep it, so if I can find ways to improve it I will. I don't bear grudges against articles which aren't deleted, though; it's entirely possible that in time it will become notable.--~T P W 20:15, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Of course it's 'entirely possible' it will become notable, but we both know it's extremely unlikely - that was the point you started the deletion discussion in the first place, was it not? Does this mean you've changed your mind and you think the article deserves to be kept? --2.98.190.178 (talk) 01:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I think that we have a process, and in this case the consensus was that the article should be kept. I won't nominate it again myself, but if I find that someone else has I would probably weigh in. I don't get to decide that all by myself, so I'll just focus on improving the articles I can and not worrying too much about the ones that I feel should be deleted but aren't. The process usually favors keeping over deleting, and I see nothing wrong with being extra-cautious in using the nuclear option.--~T P W 01:26, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough I suppose, though now I'm not entirely sure what it is you think as you seem to be affecting a tone one might expect to hear from someone who believes there are concealed microphones in the walls... (Anyway I have read and reread 'nuclear option' several times and couldn't really understand it before I almost fell asleep so you might have to rephrase that. Are you just inferring a vote instead of a discussion?) --78.150.144.90 (talk) 16:27, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Sorry. What I meant is that deletion is the most extreme thing you can do to an article, so even when consensus seems to ignore policy entirely, as in this case, I respect the fact that there are quite a few editors who are extremely cautious about when to use it. I would much rather see an article kept against policy than deleted against policy, so in a case like this I am not likely to push for deletion again anytime soon.--~T P W 17:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Nabobs

Haha. Of course, it is an excellent example to add.

I didn't know that page existed (That's what I love about this place ... you can be here for years, and still there are new aspects of it that reveal themselves to you. I've always wanted to write a sort-of related essay along the lines of "The real world is not Wikipedia" for people who apply Wikipedia policies to reliably-sourced documents (like the nominator here) and some other instances of not taking one's head out of the clouds I've come across. Daniel Case (talk) 18:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Dreadlocks

Recently, you removed an external link I had posted on the Dreadlocks page for DreadLife. After reading through the guidelines for posting external links, I can understand why this decision was made; however, I question one of the remaining links for Dreadlocks.org. Whereas Dreadlocks.org focuses mainly on salon maintained dreadlocks, DreadLife.com provides information, tutorials, pros and cons, maintenance, etc on several dreading methods to help maintain an unbiased source of information. I suppose the point of this is, why is Dreadlocks.org okay, but Dreadlife.com isn't? Shadowweaver007 (talk) 02:00, 20 October 2011 (UTC)