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April 26, 2024[edit]

April 25, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Cumnock (original) railway station → Old Cumnock railway station – I've been tidying up disambiguation for former railway stations in Scotland per WP:UKSTATIONDAB and I'm not 100% sure what the best solution is for these two stations. The first was a Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock and Ayr Railway station opened as Old Cumnock in 1850, renamed to Cumnock in 1955 and closed in 1965. The second was a Glasgow and South Western Railway station that was only ever known as Cumnock, opened in 1872 and closed in 1951. I feel the natural disambiguation (using Old Cumnock and Cumnock) works best as there was only a brief period where the first station was known as Cumnock and they had different names when they were both in operation. The other options for disambiguation don't really work either as they are both in the same town and they were both run by the same company as the Glasgow, Paisley, Kilmarnock and Ayr Railway became the Glasgow and South Western Railway shortly after the first station opened. The current naming pattern doesn't work with the policy so they will have to move, I don't know what the disambiguation for the second station should be though as their is also a Cumnock railway station in Australia and Cumnock railway station needs to be a dab page. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 10:47, 14 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:45, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – London Country South East → Kentish Bus – This is the common name used by the operator since 1987.[1] Considering the operator was founded in 1986 - the article lead references that, too - I don't think it makes a lot of sense to use an anachronistic name used for only one year as the page title. Hullian111 (talk) 14:23, 13 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Postmodernism (international relations) → Poststructuralism (international relations) – The current (9th, 2023) edition of the only source cited in this stub discusses this topic under the heading of "poststructuralism", with "postmodernism" being mentioned only as a loose synonym in a box on p. 183. (In the absence of additional sources supporting this being a real sub-field of international relations, I would also support deletion rather than renaming. However this is outside my area of expertise.) Patrick J. Welsh (talk) 19:00, 13 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:43, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Space habitat → Orbital space habitat – As discussed above - this article is currently wholly based on the assumption that space habitats are in a micro-g scenario, which does not fit the more widely accepted definition, which is more general. For example, the IAF's Space Habitat's Committee's definition includes both "settlements on celestial bodies and orbital infrastructures". Renaming this article to "Orbital space habitat" would reduce ambiguity of the purpose of the article. Bugghost (talk) 16:26, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Mastodon → Mammut – The informal name "Mastodon" can refer to a lot of proboscidean genera because of the historic usage of the junior synonym as a wastebasket taxon, but it is most often used for M. americanum and not commonly other mammutids of the same genus. Therefore, the genus Mammut would be more appropriate for this article, and it already pulls up nearly 20,000 results on Google Scholar. PrimalMustelid (talk) 11:16, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Nigerian Chrislam → Chrislam – Chrislam is currently a disambiguation page between this and something which doesn't even have an article (a fictional religion in a couple of novels). The article body calls it just "Chrislam", not "Nigerian Chrislam", as do the reliable sources it cites. There doesn't seem to be any clear justification for not having the actual article be primary and relegating that disambiguation page to "(disambiguation)". SomethingForDeletion (talk) 05:32, 25 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 24, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Balen Shah → Balendra Shah – His formal name is Balendra Shah. As with Pushpa Kamal Dahal Wikipedia page, who is widely known as Prachanda is not named Prachanda on Wikipedia, this should consistently follow the suit all over Wikipedia pages for uniformity and authenticity. Kinsu08 (talk) 16:29, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – State (Bell/Springvale) Highway → Bell Street – This is not the WP:COMMON NAME, is unknown to drivers and is not on any signs, and is not a nickname or anything of the sort. Bell Street and Springvale Road, separately, are notable, but the route as a whole isn't. I have created two new articles with appropriate citations, Draft:Bell Street and Draft:Springvale Road. These drafts also have a lot less WP:EXCESSDETAIL. I am proposing firstly a WP:SPLIT to create the Springvale Road article, noting the diff it was split from on this article in the split talk template, then move this article to Bell Street and change the content. It is better to do this instead of deleting this article and creating two new ones to preserve the history for attribution. After that, I propose to create a new disambiguation article at State (Bell/Springvale) Highway. Then I would fix the incoming links to it to point to either Bell Street or Springvale Road directly. Listing under an RM instead of requested split because it is not a traditional split (keep original article at same title and put existing section to new article) and RM is necessary to move the article, and I'm not going to make these drastic changes without listing it for discussion MarkiPoli (talk) 07:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2023 Georgian protests → 2023–2024 Georgian protests – The protests have been restarted after the practically the same law was reinstroduced into the Parliament. All sides are same and the matter of protests is still the same, so it is basically a same thing and there is no point to write a new article. The protests are expected to continue so this article should be moved to 2023–2024 Georgian protests page 38.51.157.23 (talk) 19:31, 15 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 06:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – I Am... (Beyoncé tour) → I Am... World Tour – This request is to restore the former name of the page. The previous move was closed under a quintaessential example of why supervoting is inappropriate and why Wikipedia is built upon consensus and not a polling democracy. The argument provided by the closer, @BilledMammal:, reads as follows: Consensus to move per WP:PRECISION; the current title is ambiguous. Ambiguity was never a reason provided for the move by itself; the argument was "There are multiple albums by multiple artists called I Am which could be easily confused as being the subject of this tour", which is not a valid argument to move a page. The tour is not a subsection of an album to argue such thing. Furthermore, being ambiguous is not a reason to move pages mainly because the titling criteria is not a set of imposed rules. The closing didn't address the arguments provided by either side and it never explained where the consensus arised. Additionally, it was never demonstrated that the official name is the WP:COMMONAME, why we should follow an WP:OFFICIALNAME, why WP:SMALLDETAILS is not applicable, why WP:NATURAL is not applicable, and since the page was moved and the redirects corrected, exactly where is the ambiguity in the title, since the Lewis tour has not improved its views caused by the alleged ambiguity. (CC) Tbhotch™ 01:49, 16 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 06:00, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Gaza Strip famine → Food insecurity in Gaza during the Israel-Hamas war – As per talk page discussion and sources provided in the article, while numerous warnings have been issued as to possible impending or "looming" famine, no formal declaration of famine has been made (either in North Gaza or elsewhere), let alone a WP:COMMONNAME achieved of "The Gaza Strip famine" as this article incorrectly and prematurely has attempted to declare. This is clear breach of WP:FUTURE and WP:NCEVENTS. Taking the lead from the Center for Strategic and International Studies' most recent report, which believes there is Famine in North Gaza but otherwise affirms that there has yet to be "a formal declaration of famine in Gaza", the most neutral, general, categorical WP:DESCRIPTOR in use by CSIS and other expert bodies in such matters (that covers the full range of items discussed currently in the article) is "food insecurity". This terminology covers related matters from famine all the way down the IPC scale, and given that the majority of the current article either covers food and nutrition matters all the way up to the standard threshold of famine, or speculates at the presence of famine prior to an official declaration, this article title should suffice until there is a change in official status. I understand this is a sensitive topic, but our job here is to ensure neutral coverage of current events per WP:WACE. The most authoritative body that has chimed in thus far on the status of famine is the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification, whose most recent report declared famine "imminent", with a likely future projected range of occurrence dates, but that's as far as its gotten. We obviously can revisit this if there is an official declaration (and let us hope there isn't)...but there hasn't been, and this clear WP:NCEVENTS and WP:FUTURE breach must be remedied immediately. - Alternate option: Gaza food crisis - per comments made below, this title is the most widely searched (6x higher) in relation to the food and nutrition situation in Gaza during the conflict and may more aptly convey the severity of the current situation. Mistamystery (talk) 05:02, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Altar crucifix → Altar cross – Cross is the broader category, a crucifix is a type of cross featuring the crucified Jesus. These terms are not interchangeable, but the article content currently speaks of crosses and not just crucifixes. Dirkwillems (talk) 00:43, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 23, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Tbilisi Spiritual Seminary → Tbilisi Theological Seminary – The institution's own website uses uses Tbilisi Theological Academy and Seminary. Most sources seem to use "Theological" (see Google books for "Tiflis Theological Seminary", or high-quality sources like Brill's Encyclopedia of Islam (which inexplicably talks about Christian seminaries in Tiflis in some detail! Available on the Wikipedia library if you want to check.). More generally, "Spiritual" is an awkward, literal translation that isn't that accurate to idiomatic English usage. It's a seminary for learning theology, not a monastery. There are a few sources that use "Spiritual" in GBooks ([8]), but they drop off the front page quickly from ~5 or so hits, and many are books written in the past decade when the Wikipedia article was at "spiritual" and may have simply trusted the Wikipedia usage. One complication is that the institution is most notable when the city was known as "Tiflis" in the 19th and early 20th centuries, and the article was originally created under the "Tiflis" name in 2013. Given that there is a successor institution, it seems reasonable to use the modern name of the successor institution, though, even if there's fewer sources on the contemporary era. But I wouldn't be totally opposed to "Tiflis Theological Seminary" as a backup option. SnowFire (talk) 17:12, 15 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. ❯❯❯ Raydann(Talk) 21:20, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – November Uprising (Lviv, 1918) → November act – per all languages that have an article on this. * The article suggests that there was uprising in Lviv, while in reality, the Ukrainians took the city without a fight and disarmed Austrian soldiers. * The article characterizes the Ukrainian capture of the city as an uprising. However, shortly thereafter, the Poles also rose up against the Ukrainians, which could also be described as an uprising. Rather then the article being named "November Uprising (Lviv,1918)" the name should get redirected to Battle of Lemberg (1918) . Olek Novy (talk) 19:03, 15 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Charlotte Drake → ? – Charlotte has never been credited as Charlotte Drake - she used it once as an alias in a flashback in the final episode, but nothing more - other characters have not even referenced to her as that throughout the show's duration. Furthermore, her WP:COMMONNAME is either Charlotte DiLaurentis or Cece Drake. I hence propose a move to one of these. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 11:43, 16 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:15, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Carolina–Duke rivalry → Duke–North Carolina rivalry – The reasoning to keep the page at "Carolina-Duke" over 11 years ago was very flawed. By that logic, the Texas A&M–Texas Tech rivalry article for example, should be moved to "A&M–Tech rivalry" since those two schools are referred to that by people in their respective state. I guess we can also use the shortended "Carolina" for all of UNC's rivalry articles too or even the Palmetto State rivalry between Carolina–Clemson. I would go as far to say that "UNC" is a more commonly-used nickname than just "Carolina" (see Google Trends comparison). Wikipedia article titles are meant to be formal and informative, not just for pageviews. It is the University of NORTH Carolina, not the University of Carolina. It would not only be consistent with other college rivalry articles, but also with the standalone articles about the non-basketball rivalries between Duke and North Carolina per WP:TITLECON. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 15:34, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 22, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – İskenderun → Iskenderun – According to Ngram, Iskenderun is a much more common spelling. I was unable to differentiate the spelling on Google Scholar. However, Iskenderun appears to be more common among the foremost publications there: [13] (Even more common when Turkish sources are discounted.) Iskenderun also uses letters found in the English alphabet: WP:ENGLISH Aintabli (talk) 23:45, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Rei Hance → Heather Donahue – This article was moved to 'Rei Hance' without any discussion, and I believe that it should be moved back to the subject's prior name per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:SPNC-- this seems much more analogous to the Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam example. The subject is only notable for her acting work as Heather Donahue, with the name change coming after retirement and she hasn't had any new work to warrant notability under her new name. Shivertimbers433 (talk) 22:56, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Apple → Apple (fruit) – Heya, I have serval reasons arguing that there is no primary topic, let’s get into it. We’re gonna abide by WP:PTOPIC, which reads as follows: 1. A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. As evident by page view statistics, strong popularity and usage of iPhone services and products, the trillion-dollar company is the most likely topic that Wikipedia readers will look for. But wait, there also exists the second point: 2. A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term. Apples have huge symbolism in historical mythology, human consumption, and cultural influence. In contemporary times, both the corporation and the fruit are widely recognized and significant. I say neither of these topics deserves merit as a primary one, who's with me? DS537(WIR) 21:16, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2022–2023 mpox outbreak → Global mpox outbreak – Please see the previous two brief headings on this page. The global outbreak did not actually end in 2023 (see also [14]), and it is more properly described as the global outbreak to distinguish it from outbreaks in previously endemic regions. There is no need for naming specific years in the title; other disease outbreak/epidemic articles do not do this. Crossroads -talk- 18:48, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Prince Ernst August of Hanover (born 1983) → Ernst August von Hannover (born 1983) – In Germany titles of royals and nobles were abolished in 1919 and are not recognised today by Germany which is a republic. The convention in WP:NCROY states: "Do not use hypothetical, dissolved or defunct titles, including pretenders (real or hypothetical), unless this is what the majority of reliable sources use." Therefore I do not believe Prince should be used in the title Regarding the surname - "of Hanover" is a translation of his surname "von Hannover". Names and surnames should not be translated. We don't do it for other German surnames and I don't see why we should do it here. D1551D3N7 (talk) 17:08, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2024 Ju County attack → 2024 Ju County massacre – I've just renamed this article, adding the year (2024) into the start of the article, but I'm not sure if it's the best. I personally see how this could be a massacre rather than merely an attack considering how attacks with fewer casualties were referred to a "massacre" (examples: Columbine High School massacre and Munich massacre). Really what is a massacre as per common name isn't very stringently defined, and I'd like to start a discussion as to whether this constitutes as a massacre or not, and which specific noun should be used as this article's title. Josethewikier (talk) 14:38, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Callum "Halfway" Highway → Callum Highway – With all due respect, he hasn't been called "Halfway" in a long time. He is no longer credited as such and most news sources published within the last few years just call him Callum Highway. The show itself acknowledged that nobody really calls him Halfway anymore so I was just wondering if it was time for a move. Thanks! FishLoveHam (talk) 08:43, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention) → South Africa v. Israel – The "(Genocide Convention)" part of the name is not necessary since there is no other notable legal case filed by South Africa against Israel. Officially, the title of the case is Application of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide in the Gaza Strip (South Africa v. Israel), so this South Africa v. Israel (Genocide Convention) name doesn't appear to have any official status, it seems to be just nomenclature Wikipedia editors have invented. Per the article title policy, we don't use disambiguating parentheses unless it is necessary to disambiguate with another article (there isn't one), or there is some other strong reason to do it (which there isn't either). SomethingForDeletion (talk) 07:44, 22 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 21, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Dave Finlay Sr. → Dave Finlay (wrestling coach) – While his background is in professional wrestling, his recent acceptance of an MBE relates to Olympic wrestling. It may also differentiate him from his son Fit Finlay, who has since become known for his role in women's professional wrestling. APM (talk) 14:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 162 etc. (talk) 16:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Stan Seymour Jr. → Stan Seymour (football chairman) – His occupation might be a better disambiguator here, as it has never been clear whether he had the exact same name as his father. For context, he did not become a footballer like his father, but he was Newcastle United's chairman in the 1980s. The press called him Stan Seymour Jr anyway. APM (talk) 14:38, 21 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). 162 etc. (talk) 16:47, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Muhammad al-Bukhari → Al-Bukhari – This is simply the most famous al-Bukhari. Al-Bukhari even redirects here. This is common with Arabic nisbas where strictly speaking, there's a lot of people who share a portion of the fullest version of the name, so we just follow the WP:RS sources for the short form used. Such as his student, al-Tirmidhi (not Muhammad al-Tirmidhi), al-Tabari (not Muhammad al-Tabari), al-Nasa'i (not Ahmad al-Nasa'i) etc. "Bukhari" without the Arabic definite article can be a disambiguation, though al-Bukhari is clearly WP:COMMONNAME per this figure. Aqsian313 (talk) 20:35, 14 April 2024 (UTC) Sockstrike ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 14:51, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Yol → Yol (film) – Yet another disambiguation page with no primary topic. Based on pageview data, Yol (the film) does seem to actually be the top choice, but the combined notability of the other topics still seems to overcome it. Duckmather (talk) 04:48, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Aerosol paint → Spray paint – "Spray paint" is currently a redirect to this article, but based on [WP:COMMONNAME]] it seems it would make more sense for "spray paint" to be the name of the article, as that is the name used in almost all the references used. -- NotCharizard 🗨 04:07, 21 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 20, 2024[edit]

April 19, 2024[edit]

  • (Discuss) – Lucent → Lucent Technologies – Usually I am more in favour of shorter names, but in this case I think that the longer name is better. Lucent used "Technologies" in their logo. And it makes it more clear it is about a technology company. PhotographyEdits (talk) 13:38, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Hamme → Hamme, Belgium – I had disambiguated this recently, and Talk:Hamme (disambiguation) contains a pretty good explanation based on data on why there is no primary topic by usage. User Fram reverted this move now, just as I was typing the most recent reply in that discussion. I suppose it's better to have a formal RM to gather more community input. Fundamentally, we do not have much reason to believe that the term "Hamme" is strongly associated by the average English reader with the Belgian location, and a simple disambiguation list is the easy and reliable solution here. With regard to long-term significance, it's not clear that the town would come even close to overshadowing the other homonyms, which include a river in Germany and another settlement there. Joy (talk) 16:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:52, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2024 Israeli strikes on Iran → 2024 Israeli strikes in Isfahan – This is a retaliation to a retaliation, but that article was not named as a retaliation. So the same should apply here, and it would get more confusing if Iran retaliates to this attack. It would be weird to call such article a retaliation to a retaliation to a retaliation, this hasn't been done before. Bigfatman8766 (talk) 05:14, 19 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Ecclesiastical polity → Church polity – Concision and recognizability. "Church" and "ecclesiastical" are exactly equivalent, but "church" is a more common term to the average user. According to Ngram, the two phrases are now roughly as common as one another, though "ecclesiastical" is more historically prevalent. Dirkwillems (talk) 00:18, 11 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:32, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Rasna → Rasna (drink) – I had disambiguated this recently, and Talk:Rasna (disambiguation) contains a pretty good explanation based on data on why there is no primary topic by usage. User Fram reverted this move now, so here's a formal RM to gather more community input. Fundamentally, we do not have much reason to believe that the term "Rasna" is strongly associated by the average English reader with the drink made in India, and a simple disambiguation list is the easy and reliable solution here. India is certainly a huge English-speaking country, but this product does not appear to be well-known globally (at least according to the current article content). With regard to long-term significance, it's not clear that the drink would come even close to overshadowing the other homonyms, which include the Etruscan civilization, and half a dozen small settlements across Europe. Joy (talk) 17:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:30, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Nicaragua Canal → ? – As the opening sentence of this article puts it, "there is a long history of attempts to build a canal across Nicaragua to connect the Atlantic Ocean with the Pacific Ocean", from as early as the 1500s to the most recent and hence most notable one in the 2010s. Currently, the general article is at "History of" and the specific one about the 2010s project at "Nicaragua Canal". Each has a section summarizing the other, Nicaragua Canal § History and History of the Nicaragua Canal § HKND project (2010–present), with {{main}} hatnote crosslinks. This likely made sense when said project was active and there was reason to expect it to result in an actual canal, which would obviously have been vastly more notable than any mere plan to build one. But by the end of that decade, the project had been essentially abandoned, and I don't think it makes sense any longer. "Nicaragua Canal" has about 200 incoming article links ([23]), of which I surveyed the first 20. The result is pretty much an even split between links that should indeed go to the 2010s project, and links that should go to the general page, or in some cases ideally one of its sections about earlier specific projects. But it's more confusing to follow a link to an article that's about the wrong specific thing than to an article that's too general, especially when that specific article has an unspecific title. So a switch would clarify the situation, IMO. The most obvious choice for a new title for the specific article is "Nicaraguan Canal and Development Project", per its opening sentence - though something that includes a date, as the "HKND project (2010–present)" section title does, might be more informative, so I left that open. - 2A02:560:58C3:0:B0B9:6993:EC37:F849 (talk) 15:34, 10 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Unge Ferrari → Stig Brenner – He changed his artist name from "Unge Ferrari" to "Stig Brenner" in 2020. The Norwegian article was moved in 2022, and the German article also uses his newer artist name. 12u (talk) 21:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:24, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Pedro Pagés → ? – "Pedro Pagés" is currently the title of a biographical article of a guy who played two seasons in the major Negro Leagues and does not appear to meet the notability criteria for an article. (Historians don't even know when the guy died). He's certainly less notable than the current Pedro Pagés. If that article is even kept, it should be moved to "Pedro Pagés (outfielder)" and this article moved to "Pedro Pagés." Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 13:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC) Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 00:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Afon Tanat → River Tanat – Ngrams shows "River Tanat" is used more in English, therefore the WP:COMMONNAME. As used by CPAT[24], NRW[25], and UK Gov. A lot of search results seem to take after Wikipedia when searching the current name. Plus the current name is from Welsh, but not the apparent common Welsh name itself, which is Afon Tanad, so the current is neither the common Welsh or English name. DankJae 12:05, 2 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 23:01, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Dallas Green (baseball) → Dallas Green – Following the recent page move of the musician to "City and Colour", there is no need to have the disambiguation for the baseball manager. After all, the musician was named after the baseball manager! A hatnote could be used to different between the two, as well with the unrelated baseball team Dallas Green Monarchs. APM (talk) 18:57, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Obi-Wan Kenobi (TV series) → Obi-Wan Kenobi (miniseries) – Per the above discussion and WP:NCTV, "(miniseries)" is the correct disambiguation for this article. The fact that there are no further seasons planned is stated and well supported in the article. If don't think this should be controversial but started this discussion to make sure there is visibility first. - adamstom97 (talk) 09:50, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – Palestine → Palestine (disambiguation) – Per WP:COMMONNAME and the upcoming UNSC vote on Friday to have Palestine upgraded as a UN member, I suggest this article be renamed to simply "Palestine" like all other country articles in this Wikipedia. It doesn't make sense to use Ireland as the Republic of Ireland or the Republic of China as two articles with one on the mainland and the other on Taiwan. Even the Google Trends uses Palestine more than the State of Palestine itself. Kindly keep this debate civil. Silence of Lambs (talk) 00:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Woo Bum-kon → Woo Bum-kon incident – Per WP:BIO1E. Woo is notable for murdering a lot of people in one event, and not much else. Someone had previously tried to change this article to Uiryeong massacre, however this title is original research: all of the later Korean sources call it some variation of "Woo Bom-kon incident", "Woo Bom-kon shooting incident", etc, see (우범곤 사건, lit Woo Bum-kon incident). It is the clear common name, and we can't just make up our own titles. I believe this means it will be delisted as a vital article though, since it no longer fits the category it is listed in. Also, this article still has the problem of being overwhelmingly tilted towards 80s English news coverage instead of the boatload of later, more accurate, Korean language sourcing, but as I do not speak Korean this is a difficult issue to fix. Hopefully someone will, someday. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Catalan cinema → Cinema of Catalonia – WP:TITLECON. The article defines it as the cinema of Catalonia, including films in Catalan and Spanish. That means 'Catalan' refers to Catalonia, not the Catalan language, and excludes Valencia, the Baleares and Andorra. Any hypothetical article about films in Catalan should be named "Catalan-language cinema" or somesuch. NLeeuw (talk) 14:05, 14 April 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). NLeeuw (talk) 15:17, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Maratha Empire → Maratha Confederacy – The Maratha state had been a confederation of some sort for much of its existence from at least 1721 when the Baroda State was founded and 1732 when Indore and Gwalior States were founded till 1818. The Maratha state during the Deccan wars under Shivaji and his descendents was not in the slightest an "empire", rather a quasi-state or rebel kingdom from 1674 till 1707. Besides in most scholarly sources the Maratha realm has been referred to as the "Maratha Confederacy" or "Maratha States". (Look at the infobox map itself. It says "Maratha States".) Calling it an empire is an overly biased PoV. PadFoot2008 (talk) 14:31, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Karma (2024 song) → Karma's a Bitch – This page keeps getting moved. The previous rationale was "The song was originally called that in the Miley Cyrus demo, and the Brit Smith demo. It also takes away the disambiguating, so it more succinct." I’m unsure, however. The article is about the song as an entity, but that 'entity' hasn’t got a name, but it’s clear that there are two versions of the same song, and that they are not covers of each other. I don’t think this has ever happened before. Plus the proposed title is already a redirect to the page, so seems like the most logical title. This is a case of 'what came first, the chicken or the egg?' Another suggestion is Karma and Karma's a Bitch. 109.235.247.80 (talk) 01:57, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – List of NBCUniversal television programs → List of Comcast television programs – This article lists shows produced by Sky Studios (and it's subsidiaries), which is not part of NBCUniversal but rather part of Sky Group, another company owned by Comcast. Additionally, Sky has its own section in the article with other companies that are owned by NBCU, which is misleading and confusing as it can make people assume it's part of NBCU. It would be more suitable if most of the sections were put into an NBCU section, which would exist with the Sky section. Inpops (talk) 18:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Orlando (disambiguation) → Orlando – I realise that this was discussed before in 2016, but consensus may have changed. A recent discussion at Talk:Orlando, Florida showed no consensus that this is the primary topic. I would put forward two reasons. Firstly, the sheer number of entries on this page means that we should be cautious about deciding that there is a primary topic. Secondly, some people argued that the Florida city is widely known outside the USA because it attracts a large number of tourists as the location of Disney World. However, speaking as a European who has never visited the USA, the extent to which US cities are widely known elsewhere is not necessarily a function of the number of tourists, it's not like e.g. Chicago or Los Angeles. PatGallacher (talk) 17:07, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2024 Iranian strikes in Israel → ? – The previous discussion was on moving 'Strikes' to 'strike' version, and it was speedy closed by me as there is a speedy consensus on that matter. However, what had been raised in that discussion is which proposition to be used in the article title.  : The previous discussion was moving "Strikes" to "strikes", rather than to "strike", I believe? I mention this because there may be further strikes by Iran on Israel later in the year, and it's not clear whether this article would include those, or if they would get their own articles. I think clearest would be to include the full date, so this article is specifically about the missile and drone attack on the one day, which I think would be 14 April 2024 (starting in the early morning hours local time). Warren Dew (talk) 05:23, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Nihon Shōgakkō fire → Japanese mission school fire – per WP:USEENGLISH, even in article it's stated 'English-language newspapers covering the incident in 1923 usually called it the Japanese mission school fire or the Buddhist mission fire.'. The article title appears to be just the school's old Japanese name given from the website with 'fire' added to it - there is no evidence of 'Nihon Shōgakkō fire' that doesn't appear to be WP:CIRCULAR, I also couldn't find any evidence of the presumable Japanese translation of the title. Traumnovelle (talk) 00:32, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2024 Mozambique boat disaster → ? – Mozambique is quite a big place. Surely we can get more specific. I am not familiar with the region, however, and will let more informed editors decide on a new name. Bremps... 03:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Kalolaa-kumukoa → Kalola-a-Kumukoa – Inline with the few reliable sources on the subject. *In the source (Esther T. Mookini "Keopuolani: Sacred Wife, Queen Mother, 1778-1823", p. 10) used Kalolaakumukoa not Kalolaa-kumukoa, with a break in the line on the page. The hyphen is used to connect the two parts of the name. See the pdf Kalola-a-Kumukoa in some variation is used in: Kamakau's Ruling Chiefs of Hawaii, p. 476; Edith Kawelohea McKinzie's Hawaiian Genealogies: Extracted from Hawaiian Language Newspapers, Vol. 2, p. 13, Kapiikauinamoku's (Sammy Amalu) Story of Maui Royalty [The story of Maui royalty — Ulukau books link], and this newspaper article by Robert W. Wilcox [Robert Wilcox sounds off, 1898. | nupepa (nupepa-hawaii.com) link]. KAVEBEAR (talk) 04:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:36, 11 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Francis, Duke of Guise → François, Duke of Guise – Requesting move of these articles per WP:COMMONNAME. I will begin my argument with ngrams, even though I find them largely overcrowded by noise. Please see [34] [35] [36] [37] Moving beyond ngrams, my argument revolves around the English literature that focuses on the family, the era of the Italian Wars, and the era French Wars of Religion, both areas of which they played a central role in and are therefore not an incidental mention in. Stuart Carroll (2011) Martyr's and Murderers: The Guise Family and the Making of Europe, is the most recent English language biography of the family - it refers to the second duke of Guise as François, his son the third duke as Henri and the fifth duke of Guise as Henri II (also the seventh duke of Guise as François-Joseph though that Wikipedia article is already at François-Joseph, so does not require changing.) The other recent English book which discusses them in the title is Mark Konnert's (2006) Local Politics in the French Wars of Religion: The Towns of Champagne, the duc de Guise and the Catholic League (1560-1595) - it refers to François, and Henri. I will now briefly survey English academics who have written on this area in the last couple of decades, and their various positions on the names. Gould (2006) = François; Roelker (1968) = François, Henri; Knecht (2014) = François, Henri; Diefendorf (1991) = François, Henri; Roberts (2013) = François, Henri; Sutherland (1962) = François, Henri; Tullchin (2012) = François, Henri; Roelker (1996) = François, Henri; Baumgartner (1986) = Henri; Harding (1978) = François, Henri; Heller (2003) = Henri; Potter (1997) = François, Henri; Carroll (2005) = François, Henri; Bernstein (2004) = Henri; Konnert (1997) = François, Henri; Benedict (2003) = François, Henri; Salmon (1979) = François, Henri; Shaw (2019) [only English language survey of the Italian Wars] = François; Pitts (2012) = François, Henri; Neuschel (1989) = François; Kingdon (1967) = François, Henri; Greengrass (1988) = François; Conner (2000) = François, Spangler (2016) = Henri Tingle (2006) is a little unusual, refers to François, and Henry; likewise Shimizu (1970) refers to Francis, and Henri Holt (2002) = Francis, Henry, he is the only French Wars of Religion era academic I am aware of who throughout all his works consistently calls them this way. Wood (2002) never refers to either duke by their first name. sovietblobfish (talk) 11:21, 13 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Robertus Pius (Talk • Contribs) 19:24, 20 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. asilvering (talk) 00:28, 30 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 04:21, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Joint Light Tactical Vehicle → Joint Light Tactical Vehicle competition – There are basically two extremely similar articles about the JLTV. Actually three. Joint Light Tactical Vehicle resembles an article about the development program, while Oshkosh L-ATV is about the JLTV selected for production. There is enough content for two articles, but I would guess that most people searching for "JLTV" would expect to find an article about the production vehicle than the competition that produced it. Background: "L-ATV" was the marketing name for the truck originally designed by Oshkosh for the JLTV program, which Oshkosh won in 2015. Presumably Oshkosh did not wish to tie the vehicle's success to the JLTV program, and so branded it as Each branch of the U.S. military calls it the "JLTV". Oshkosh usually refers to the L-ATV as the JLTV, although very occasionally Oshkosh will market a variant of the JLTV as an L-ATV on their own initiative. Here is a press release where Oshkosh announces the sale of "JLTVs", not "L-ATVs", to European countries. AM General will take over production of the JLTV from Oshkosh at the end of the year. They will be calling their version the JLTV A2. If this move is carried out there should be a section about the competition with a pointer to Joint Light Tactical Vehicle competition. Schierbecker (talk) 02:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:08, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Polish–Ukrainian ethnic conflict → Polish–Ukrainian relations (1939–1947) – The article's author was unable to demonstrate the source basis for the existence of a Polish-Ukrainian ethnic conflict in 1942-47; the very fact that he places the Polish anti-communist and pro-independence Freedom and Independence Association on the Ukrainian side demonstrates his poor grasp of the subject, but also, and above all, the inability to narrate the entire history solely through the optics of "ethnic conflict." For indeed, this is a misleading take. First, because it is difficult to define the actors. The Polish side is not homogeneous: there are many organizations, and the three main currents (the Home Army, the Nationalists and the Communists) had different attitudes toward the Ukrainian cause and did not pursue a uniform policy. Likewise, on the Ukrainian side, there is the OUN-M, OUN-B (and UPA), UCK collaborators, Bulbovets, Ukrainian Soviet partisans, Ukrainian SSR authorities, etc. Second, despite generally hostile relations, there were also periods of peace, attempts at agreement, and actual alliances. There is an entire book by Grzegorz Motyka and Rafał Wnuk on this subject: "Pany and rezuny. Cooperation of the AK-WiN and the UPA 1945-1947". Many Ukrainians served in the Polish army in 1939 and in the Polish armed forces in the west. Pavlo Shandruk cooperated with the Polish government in exile etc. These are things largely not currently described on Wikipedia. In the current situation, I see two choices: # due to the fact that the article is a translation from the Polish Wiki of the article under the title " Polish-Ukrainian partisan fighting", we can move it under this title and change the scope to describe the skirmishes between the two partisan movement. # or, as I suggest, move it under the title I proposed and describe the whole of Polish-Ukrainian relations during the war. I believe that such an article would be valuable and would be a " container" tying together all the topics currently described in isolation (the massacres of Poles in Volhynia, the Hrubieszów revolution, the WiN-UPA alliance, etc.). Marcelus (talk) 20:30, 14 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 02:04, 23 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 19:04, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Anarchist St. Imier International → Anti-Authoritarian International – In my experience, the term "Anti-Authoritarian International" appears to be the common name for this organisation in historical sources.[38] I rarely see it referred to as the "Anarchist International", as the term "anarchist" wasn't even formally adopted by members of the organisation until after it had already collapsed (see Graham 2019, p. 339). But we do know that they referred to themselves as "anti-authoritarians", in order to distance themselves from the Marxist International. Grnrchst (talk) 11:22, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 16:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Genital modification and mutilation → Genital modification – Fails WP: CRITERIA. 1.) It lacks precision, as it encompasses related but dissimilar topics, often being misinterpreted by users to mean that all genital modifications listed on the page are mutilations. 2.) It fails the criteria of concision. As all genital mutilations are forms of genital modifications, genital modification would suffice. (e.g. It is like if a page was termed "List of dogs and bulldogs" instead of "List of dogs") 3.) It fails the criteria of neutrality, as it implies to readers (problematically) that gender-affirming surgery, labiaplasty, circumcision, and pearling are mutilation. It also associates "modification" with exclusively negative changes. To make it meet WP: NPOV, you'd have to add "enhancement" or another positive term, a proposal that would further fail the criteria of concision. 4.) The title goes against article precedents surrounding body modification articles. All of which leave out titles that give positive or negative personal judgements. KlayCax (talk) 03:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. estar8806 (talk) ★ 13:09, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Novogrudok → Navahrudak – Belarusian is the native language of Belarus, so the name should be transliterated from that native language. --W (talk) 13:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Natg 19 (talk) 17:25, 27 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Googling "Gaza border protest" gives off 6,360 results, while googling the "Great March of Return" gives a whooping 206,000 results, including overwhelming majority of RS! Sources provided earlier: The Guardian, BBC, Middle East Eye, Al Jazeera, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, Medecins Sans Frontiers, a human rights journal, United Nations, and many scholarly works [46], [47]. New sources since then: Vice, The Lancet , The Nation, Foreign Affairs, Sage Journals, Middle East Eye, Reporters Without Borders, Carnegie, Democracy Now, Btselem, Dawn media. More sources since beginning of discussion: Forensic Architecture; CIA Factbook; BMC Psychology journal; and even the Jerusalem Post. Precedent: Only a minority of these RS say Great March of Return in quotes; my response to that counter argument is The Troubles example: they are still being referred to in quotes even 25 years later by reliable sources such as Wall Street Journal, Associated Press, Reuters and Washington Post. Also Kristallnacht [48]. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • (Discuss) – Sarukhan, Bey of Magnesia → Saruhan – Already redirects here. Else, it can be Saruhan Bey or something similar, because this is the only person with the name on Wikipedia if I'm not mistaken. Magnesia is only a settlement, and he and his descendants ruled a region, more than just one town. So, "Magnesia" should definitely be removed in some way. Aintabli (talk) 01:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. asilvering (talk) 05:01, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Frederik IX of Denmark → Frederik IX – He's the only monarch with this exact name, so we should move per WP:PRECISE, and the move will make the article title consistent with his daughter and now his grandson, whose name is spelled without the C. Векочел (talk) 01:56, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Note: A mistake on my part in saying Frederik IX was the only monarch with this name. He is the only king with this exact name. Векочел (talk) 09:21, 15 January 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. FOARP (talk) 14:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  1. ^ New name, new colours Commercial Motor 16 May 1987 page 20
  2. ^ https://olympics.com/ioc/czechia
  3. ^ https://www.un.org/en/about-us/member-states#gotoC
  4. ^ https://european-union.europa.eu/easy-read_en
  5. ^ https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/46-members-states
  6. ^ https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_52044.htm
  7. ^ https://www.worldbank.org/en/about/leadership/members
  8. ^ https://www.uefa.com/nationalassociations/
  9. ^ https://inside.fifa.com/about-fifa/associations
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