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Some sources about LGBT attitudes in the Middle East

OccultZone,

I found some sources about LGBT attitudes in the Middle East:

They talk about how anti-LGBT attitudes were not always the norm (previously Europe was homophobic and Europeans went to the Middle East and had homosexual experiences there), but that the anti-LGBT attitudes came to the Middle East when "gays/homosexuals" were made into an identity group.

• Klauda, Georg. "With Islamophobia against Homophobia?" (Archive). MRZine, Monthly Review. 12/11/07. Originally published in German in: Arranca! 37 (October 2007).
• Klauda, Georg (English translation by Angelus Novus). "Globalizing Homophobia" (Archive). MRZine, Monthly Review. 08.12.10. Previous version appeared in Phase 2 No. 10 (December 2003). Also published as the first chapter of Die Vertreibung aus dem Serail: Europa und die Heteronormalisierung der islamischen Welt (Berlin: Männerschwarm-Verlag, 2008).

It would be helpful if they were used as sources on the Arabic Wikipedia WhisperToMe (talk) 16:32, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice! What would be the title? OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:33, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Since LGBT in the United States exists, maybe LGBT in the Middle East would be a good idea. The article can be written in English and translated into Arabic WhisperToMe (talk) 16:38, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I will probably start LGBT in the Middle East on sandbox. Once it is completed, it will be easy to translate. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:47, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you so much! This will be a very important article for so many people in the world. WhisperToMe (talk) 16:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

BTW I found another one:

• Habib, Samar. Female Homosexuality in the Middle East: Histories and Representations. Routledge, July 18, 2007. ISBN 0415956730, 9780415956734.

There is a copy on Google Books. There is also a specific article on Saudi Arabia (it also talks about the different Middle Eastern style of sexuaity

• Labi, Nadya. "The Kingdom in the Closet." The Atlantic. May 1, 2007.

WhisperToMe (talk) 17:58, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Nice finding, once you are into google books you can probably discover the thousands of years old events. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:02, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I started a small stub at LGBT in the Middle East and got even more sources. When you are ready you can replace this stub with your well-developed article. I may also write Wikipedia articles about the books themselves (using book reviews). I also am seeking German versions of the Klauda article so people who write versions in other languages have the original German text to work with WhisperToMe (talk) 23:50, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Great! Edited, article is not stub anymore. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 01:39, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

I Have Two Questions

Thanks. I have two questions: do I have to write an article? How do I patrol recent changes here? IWorkSoMuch (talk) 02:22, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

@IWorkSoMuch: You can write article if you want, it is not necessary that you have to. For patrolling recent changes, you can follow this link Special:RecentChanges. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:24, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for the barnstar! Long live The Supreme and Holy Order of WP:VERIFY.--Atlantictire (talk) 02:35, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Patrolling Recent Changes

That page you linked to me is where I can see the most recent changes to patrol, but how do I do it? IWorkSoMuch (talk) 03:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

There is no other way.. For Patrolling newly created pages you can go to Special:NewPagesFeed. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:07, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Why?

Why are in the world are you removing useful links like you did here?--Yankees10 07:57, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

@Yankees10: Sublocation has been provided and linked, so you can remove extra links per linking guidelines. It is also obvious that subject is related to baseball, so there is nothing necessary about linking "baseball". OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:04, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

And yet we do it on every single other baseball article.--Yankees10 08:21, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Sublocations alone are not a reason to unlink the origin of the subject in the lede. All bios I've seen so far link to the place of origin. In the case of bios of politicians from New York, they are described as "American politician from New York". You see that American is not linked, but "New York" provides a useful link, establishing context where the politician acted (member of state legislature etc.) the link to his hometown, if mentioned, is IMO not enough. I suggest you refrain from further unlinking the state name in the lede. Kraxler (talk) 15:46, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

@Kraxler: You can link if you want but it should be related with the subject, unless you are in need of links so that page cannot be considered to be "Underlinked", but anyone else is allowed to remove over amount of links. Per WP:OVERLINKING:-

"In particular, unless they are particularly relevant to the topic of the article, the following are not usually linked:

the names of major geographic features and locations; languages; religions; common occupations; and pre- and post-nominals;"(2nd point)

So once again, you can remove the links of locations, if you have already provided the link to sublocation, it is even better! But then again, if location has to do nothing with the significance of the subject, then certainly it is not needed and it can be removed. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:30, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

The location has very much to do with the person, as I pointed out above. Not every New York politician was born in New York state, or died there. Anyway, thanks for reverting while a discussion of the issue is ongoing. Anybody else would be tempted to start an edit-war over this, but I'm too old to haggle over irrelevancies. Kraxler (talk) 16:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

It is an opinion. I would've reverted on all pages, but I haven't, nor it is needed, you can have the rest. I was just trying to say that my changes were supported by the guidelines. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:59, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

My Talk Page

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	Tdiction (talk) 07:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Hello whats going on today? Tdiction (talk) 07:36, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

@Tdiction: Working on some biographical articles. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:57, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Potential superpowers

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How do you do it?

Hi, I have seen you make lots of edits assessing the talk pages.....how do you do it? Any script? or manual? ƬheStrikeΣagle 07:28, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Strike Eagle, his name is the clue. Throw into a bowl of chicken soup, 3-4 eyes of newt, four hairs off of a frog, and two witch's moles (I supply him the moles via my wife). Face the pentagram (not the star, but the W. It has five points) and say praise be unto Jimbo. Eat soup and say again praise be unto Jimbo. Bgwhite (talk) 07:40, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

LOL that is so true!! I remember him in 2013 trying to finding the ropes and making nice good-faith edits....now he's at 100k edits and I'm still 11k.....He's doing a good job though...assessing is something many people usually ignore! I suffer from minor edit-countitis! Cheers, ƬheStrikeΣagle 07:44, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Strike Eagle, What!! Only 11k edits. I usually don't talk to people with such a low edit count. You people disgust me. I'm #24 on list of Wikipedians by number of edits with 349,526 edits. Nah Nah Nah!!! Bgwhite (talk) 07:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

@Strike Eagle: See section #34 of this talk page. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 09:01, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

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Hi, I'm Carriearchdale. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, 1704 in Spain, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Carriearchdale (talk) 09:43, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

@Carriearchdale: But what is your rationale? OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 09:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

fyi...a quote from wikipedia [[1]]

ciao!!! Carriearchdale (talk) 11:30, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Honor Killing

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Hi. I see you reverted my edit. But what I was doing was putting back Afghanistan in the South Asia section, after it was moved by 108.230.153.63 to the Middle East section. Now it is in both sections. It should be only in the South Asia one.2A02:2F0A:506F:FFFF:0:0:BC19:AE61 (talk) 10:28, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

From next time consider providing edit summaries. Thanks for the right placement. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:30, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Many reviews needed

Uppada Beach, Mypadu Beach, Vodarevu Beach -- Vin09 (talk) 12:31, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

All done. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Need info

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Is it ok to place the tags by a user or should be placed by an expert or admin? page1, page2, page3, page4--Vin09 (talk) 15:03, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Anyone can, but they should be correct. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:08, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Galleries

Are galleries important for a wiki page, I have read they should be placed in wikimedia commons but not like a repository in en.wiki page, only the prescribed images should be placed. Is it correct?--Vin09 (talk) 03:20, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Not important, they can be removed if article passes the start class. Sometimes galleries are inserted so that people can have the idea about the subject, because of the shortage of content. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:38, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Vin09, I've had to add this to edit summaries 6 times today.... WP:Gallery. Bgwhite (talk) 05:00, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Bgwhite, can you give me the edit revision page url, so that it will be helpful for me.--Vin09 (talk) 07:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Vin09, see [2] Bgwhite (talk) 07:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Review needed

Natural vegetation and Wildlife of Andhra Pradesh, Yarada Beach--Vin09 (talk) 04:32, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 05:43, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Berna Yeniçeri Stub→Start

Hi! I see that you've changed the assessment of Berna Yeniçeri from stub to start. I was in belief that articles with less than 1,500 chars of prosa are considered as stub. Is there something, which makes this article exceptional? --CeeGee 07:06, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@CeeGee: Check WP:STUB#How_big_is_too_big.3F, Anything that exceeds 250 characters is start. 1500 is for DYK. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

• Ooh! Thanks a lot. --CeeGee 12:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

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My AWB linking module

This is to inform you that my AWB linking module has been updated with regexes taken from my current unlinking script. I have not yet tested it through want of a Windoze PC. Let me know if it doesn't work. Also, if you watchlist the page, you will see whenever the code gets updated. Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 01:55, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Watchlisted, . I will review soon. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:02, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Trio, Air Lane

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Hi OccultZone, thanks for your attention to this article. However, I'm rather confused as to why you placed a "listas' as "Trio, Air Lane" ([3]). "Trio" is not their last name, and every reference book and discussion I've seen references them as "Air Lane Trio" or "The Air Lane Trio". It might be possible to do a listas as "Air Lane Trio, The", but I've never looked them up under "T", only "A". What is the reason for this, to me, odd configuration? Thanks! 78.26 (His Wiki's Voice) 12:28, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

HWV As long as there is some kind of "biography" wikiproject added to the article, you have to add and fill the listas parameter. You know that I had doubt about this particular parameter, I had asked another editor about it, check [4], it was few hours ago. Hopefully he will respond anytime soon. So you can consider that I am not done yet with that page. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:33, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

HWV You may want to check the guideline about Listas parameter, it says:-

"Listas is a parameter found in the coding of the WikiProject Biography box which operates like {{DEFAULTSORT}}. It is a sortkey for the article talk page (for example, for Elvis Presley, |listas=Presley, Elvis, so that the talk page will show up in the P's and not the E's of the various assessment and administrative categories). More about listas is at this category's talk page."

OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:38, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Agree paramater should be added, and I am grateful you have taken the time to do so. However, it should be as "Air Lane Trio". You wouldn't listas "Seasons, Four" or "Stones, Rolling" or "Brothers, Blackwood". Thanks! 78.26 (His Wiki's Voice) 12:41, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

(and ha! it looks like I need to change my signature, which was just meant to be a play on the old Victor Records slogan for my signature, if people call me HWV instead of 78.26 or just 78, it would appear to be the worst case of WP:OWN I've ever seen!) 78.26 (His Wiki's Voice) 12:45, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks HWV and "Rolling Stones" is not the right name per Wikipedia standard, it is "The Rolling Stones", their listas parameter reads "Rolling Stones, The". Let's wait, like I said that I had asked about it from other editor, waiting for his input as he used to repair these parameters with bot, years ago. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:47, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

The correct is "Air Lane Trio". "Air" is not a prefix like "The". -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:36, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

• I am now totally confused. First you set the listas for Lee M. Hollander as Hollander, Lee M. - that's identical to the defaultsort. Then you reset it as Lee, Hollander M. Why? That's completely inside out and backwards. I tried to check the WikiProject:Biography list of unassessed articles to see how it works, but I don't have all day to guess my way through hundreds of screens to figure it out. How does listas work? If it's like defaultsort, use that! Hollander, Lee M. Otherwise ... can you explain how it works??? Yngvadottir (talk) 15:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir:, I had, but Zanhe suggested me that "in most of East Asia, surnames precede given names," he was referring to those names. I found it to be correct, so I would repair them, a good example would be Lee Chung-yong, [5](see listas & defaultsort). Yes "listas" and "defaultsort" are same and some of these defaultsorts have been written incorrectly. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:30, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

But Lee M. Hollander was a German-American! Lee was his given name. Does Hollander look East Asian to you? So in other words it's just like defaultsort - why don't you just copy the defaultsort, at least for individual people? Yngvadottir (talk) 19:27, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: Sounds better than before. It is probably right that defaultsort shall be directly transferred without any doubts. After a while I was doing so, had no more errors. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 19:30, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Review request

Hi, I wanted to ask if you might review the article, Daniel R. Gernatt, Jr., if you have a moment. Thanks, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:13, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Listas

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I don't know what system you use to generate your "listas", but it doesn't seem to get enough manual attention. this one is obviously wrong. Double surnames, like in Spanish names, also present problems; e.g. this one is sorted differently on the talk page and on the article page, which is strange. Does "listas" support diacritics and the like? I also don't think that a listas which is identical to the article name is needed, as that is the default situation (e.g. [6][7]. Adding typos in such a listas makes it even worse [8]. Fram (talk) 16:17, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I see that similar issues have been raised above, see e.g. also the incorrect listas you added to [9]. Please stop these listas additions until it is clear how it should be done (and when it shouldn't be done), it makes little sense to add too many incorrect ones among the correct ones, or to add some with a potentially unsupported format (diacritics). Fram (talk) 16:21, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@Fram: I corrected the first one[10], although I am unsure about Talk:American Authors and Talk:Allalou since you have doubted. I will confirm this one, and let you know here. Thanks for correcting Talk:Alex & Sierra. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:27, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

@Fram: Looks like, if the name is based on a single word it can be added to listas, they have added "Akon" to Akon's listas parameter. "American Authors" is probably correct listas for American Authors, because it is a music band. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:32, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

• Confirmed:-

diacritic should be rid from listas.[11]

band name should be exactly inserted to listas.[12]

if the subject is known by a single name, it will be listas.[13]

"Ambrosius Francken II" should be "Francken, Ambrosius II". [14]

That bot can be treated as example.

OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:52, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Agree with all except the "single name is listas". I think the only reason the bot did this in your example, was because there already was a listas, and it corrected it (but should perhaps have simply removed it). "Single name is listas" isn't a wrong edit, but a useless one, as the default is always that something listed exactly like the article title, and only the exceptions should be noted. Fram (talk) 19:13, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

I see that you corrected this by removing the diacritics. However, the page is still sorted differently from the article. "Gomez Sanchez" is a double family name, as is often the case with Spanish language names. It should be sorted at Gomez, not at Sanchez. The article has it right. In general, the talk page should follow the article. Fram (talk) 19:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

In general, I agree with Fram. The only difference is that listas has always to be set as a sign that the page was checked and to delist it from the tracking category. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

If the general rule is to add listas even when it isn't necessary, then I won't object if OccultZone does the same of course. It was, as indicated, the least of my worries. Fram (talk) 21:57, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

AWB's KingbtoK plugin adds listas, in manual mode only, in an almost nice way. It still needs user attention for double surnames, double names, band names, etc. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:44, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Fram and Magioladitis for rectification. I would note that I was going through the category of listas, but now I have made a list. 1 out of every 20-50 is tricky. Will save them in separate file, I can later decide what to do about them. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:53, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

You also added wrong listas in many Chinese and Korean biographical articles, including here and here. Please note that in most of East Asia, surnames precede given names. -Zanhe (talk) 06:59, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

@Zanhe: Are you sure that "Lee" should come after the Second(given) name? I.e. "Lee Sun" should be "Lee, Sun"? Confirm ASAP, so I can correct other 80 where others have added same way I had added those 3 that you've mentioned. Thanks OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:12, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean by "after"? "Lee Sun" should be "Lee, Sun" for most East Asian names, except for people who live in the West and spell their name in the Western order. Japanese names may also go either way. You need to be very careful with those. Check the article if you're unsure. -Zanhe (talk) 07:18, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I said "second name" because you had written "surnames precede given names". Many of these pages, like this one[15] lack the "DefaultSort" and "persondata" so it becomes hard to bring the real data. @Zanhe: Check my last 70 contributions(repaired 'lee' related parameters) and let me know if they are correct. Thanks OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, your corrections look correct. -Zanhe (talk) 07:44, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Lee_Hwi-jae should be sorted Lee, Hwi-jae. Note, not all Korean given names have a dash. You will see Lee Hwi-jae as Lee Hwi Jae, especially in the west.

You should keep with the easy Western names unless you really know what you are doing. It can become a mess. WP:NAMESORT is the reference for the majority of names. As Zanhe said, *most* East Asian names have surnames first. Majority of Mongolian, Burmese and Malaysian names are patronymic. Thai usually goes by western standards. Japanese names in the Western press are western standard for names after ~1885, except for sumo wrestlers, kabuki actors and some other people in the arts. It can spiral out of control. I wrote the majority of NAMESORT, so if you have questions, give a yell, though I get confused too. Bgwhite (talk) 07:20, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I just read about the japanese, korean and chinese surnames, they are not really tricky just needed to know about their style. And absolutely, wouldn't be that hard. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:48, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Don't forget the Vietnamese. -09:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you for reviewing and rating two articles that I created. I appreciate it! :-) Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 19:09, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Your closure on ANI

Your this non-admin closure on ANI is interference in remedial procedure of users who use ANI to report violations of admin privileges. Also allegations of lie, POV editing in threatning tone is not content dispute. I request you to revert your closure. Thanks. Abhi (talk) 16:58, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

@Abhi: Why? It can be only reverted back if you have enough evidence of Bgwhite abusing his editing privileges. In fact there was no question right after Magioladitis had shown the diffs where you removed content and added PROD tag. Just like your report to ANI, that tag wasn't needed at all. I don't see any discussion on the talk page, or heavy editing on these articles that you would need to rush. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 17:09, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Your comments are welcome, non-admin closure is not. A user is seeking admin help. User talk pages are not proper places to report and discuss admin rights abuse. Pls try to understand and revert your closure. Thanks. Abhi (talk) 17:32, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Page protection templates

Hi, please don't add {{pp-sock}} to a page that is not protected. You've done this at 2011 census of India twice in two days: it does not protect the page - all that happens is that the page is placed into Category:Wikipedia pages with incorrect protection templates - if you want the page protecting, please file a request at WP:RFPP. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

@Redrose64: My main motive was to revert sock's edit, I never specifically added {{pp-sock}}. But thanks for pointing. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 19:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

why you delete aninidita nayar

i created my account only for anindita nayar as i am fan of her. i am new to wikipedia? and what is this sockpuppetry? --Scottbrew (talk) 20:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

No it is impossible that I would delete pages. Check Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Nitishkumartn. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 20:53, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Request

Hi again, I am keeping you busy with another request.  :-) When you have a moment, I would like to ask if you could review Flavia C. Gernatt. Thank you, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 04:34, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah soon. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 04:40, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, you are awesome! After this one, Dan Gernatt Farms, I'll be done for awhile. I thank you to review it at your convenience. :-) Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:51, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Wow, that was fast - you are amazing! Thanks, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:57, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Article

The article South Coastal Railway Zone is an assumptative, please see this for any corrections.--Vin09 (talk) 10:07, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

@Vin09: Try Afd. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 11:13, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done--Vin09 (talk) 11:18, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Skogssamer

Could you please take a look at the Skogssamer article. It was in need for copyediting for Standard English according to the DYK nom reviewer. It would be appreciated. Thanks.--BabbaQ (talk) 10:30, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

A pie for you!

Thank you, again, for your hard work in reviewing my recent article contribtuions! :-) Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 19:11, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

I have unreviewed a page you curated

Hi, I'm Carriearchdale. I wanted to let you know that I saw the page you reviewed, Flavia C. Gernatt, and have un-reviewed it again. If you have any questions, please ask them on my talk page. Thank you. Carriearchdale (talk) 21:41, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone, I will appreciate if you would add your opinion regarding this article on the deletion nomination by the above-referenced editor. The article, Flavia C. Gernatt includes relevant sources that are according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, including widely reliable sources such as The Buffalo News, a nationally-recognized newspaper, and the widely-dispersed journal, Pit & Quarry. The article should remain as an individual article, and not merged or deleted. This article meets relevant guidelines and policies to be an independent Wikipedia article. Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:27, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

I will agree that your article is valid and until now Carriearchdale doesn't seem to be capable enough to write one article like that. These measures are part of her WP:BATTLEGROUND. If you still don't understand, just check User talk:Fram#1704 in Spain. Thanks OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 00:42, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply; I'll take a look at the Battleground link you provided. When you have a moment, I would like to ask if you would take a look at this [16] and give me some suggestions on how to proceed regarding the editor's unfounded and untrue accusations. Thanks, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:37, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

User basically ignores my messages or notifications, anywhere. Article needs no serious improvement for now, you can wait till AfD is over. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 01:41, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, User:OccultZone. I really appreciate your efforts regarding this as it was just getting too upsetting for me, and I have taken a couple days away from Wikipedia. I see that she/he interacts in this type of manner with several editors, including you and I. Thanks for your suggestions and diligence, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:43, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

@Daniellagreen: You can simply write down where the user is being disruptive for others. You can later report about that if it continues. But even for that you will have to remain active, your choice what you have to do. But I usually don't recommend break because of people. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:58, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. The user has appeared to me to have behaved disrespectfully, also to User:Piguy101 and User:Pink Bull. So, that makes four of us. That someone has so much energy to put into that is beyond me. Thanks for your comments and suggestions, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:10, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

disambiguation

Now the tool server is not working, how to repair disambiguation?--Vin09 (talk) 04:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Vin09, tool server was finally turned off and is never coming back. Hallelujah and hallelujah for for spell check, otherwise I'd never spell hallelujah right. WMFLabs has replaced labs. Is this the tool you are looking for? https://tools.wmflabs.org/dispenser/cgi-bin/dablinks.py Bgwhite (talk) 06:17, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject Disambiguation#Resources and User:Qwertyytrewqqwerty/DisamAssist. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 06:20, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Sure... show me up by how smart you are :) Thanks to your recent vandal, I had to remove the same message from alot of new editor's talk pages. Keep your vandals to yourself would you. Bgwhite (talk) 08:45, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Sometimes I let others do ;-) OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:49, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Impersonator

Hey! Did you seen OcultZone (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · logs · block log · arb · rfc · lta · SPI · cuwiki)? Got scared and thought it was you. He was later blocked. ///EuroCarGT 15:45, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

@EuroCarGT: Interesting. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:48, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Review

• Power_sector_of_Andhra_Pradesh--Vin09 (talk) 17:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Minor Barnstar award

		The Minor Barnstar
		For your continuing minor common fixes on civil war biographies you get this Minor Barnstar and my thanks ... GELongstreet (talk) 17:11, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 17:17, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

A very minor quibble

Thanks for the fixes to George, Count Joannes. I have reversed one because the "th" you expunged ("March 16th") was part of the title of a work by him, and therefore is exempt from the mighty force of Wikipedia style guidelines. Brianyoumans (talk) 02:02, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

@Brianyoumans: Title of the book, yes absolutely. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:16, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

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Only reverted sock. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 11:05, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

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this page is a duplicate of an existing page List of airports in Andhra Pradesh, is it right to propose it for speedy deletion.--Vin09 (talk) 15:04, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you can PROD it. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:05, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) If it's a duplicate, PROD is not a good move - there's a seven-day wait; and it might get contested, resulting in at least seven more days at AFD. Try WP:A10. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:01, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Deleted at 15:38 (UTC). Though there is still a huge backlog, still some prods are quickly investigated. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 16:08, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

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Sports in Andhra Pradesh, Aurangabad railway station--Vin09 (talk) 15:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Done. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Technical question about AWB

Hi, I noticed your AWB edits to Martin John Spalding. I was wondering what aspect of AWB does that, and how to set it up for doing so. I have been using AWB for a little while, but I don't see how to make it do what you did. Thanks for any advice. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 17:22, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

@Stevietheman: You can use it the way you want, as long as it is not going to damage or violate the rules of both AWB and en.wiki. There are certain features like Options > Find and replace, Tools > Make module, where you can add your own phrases. It can be also used for solving disambiguations. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 17:45, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info! Much appreciated. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 18:44, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Potential superpowers

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There's more than something wrong in this article that was well written with only EU,China and India( I doubt reading some academics sources even about India). Some people changed it and made it worse to make happy some people and without using sufficient and high level sources.Please explain me what does it mean "other contenders"....or they a or they aren't.In fact they aren't.Rubbish this article.After the DISASTER all people disappeared....wow what a very scientific article!151.40.45.125 (talk) 20:05, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Keeping in touch with the current affairs. I know it may seem funny to some. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 01:25, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Actually article it's a DISASTER or RUBBISH..nothing else)151.40.100.219 (talk) 12:23, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I've made more than 94 edits to that article, so please don't say like that Soon it will be a good article OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 14:03, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I hope so).But this isn't the good way.Antiocus the great is the most prepared.I think India should be deleted,but this is just my opinion based on my knowledge.I'm in costant contact with OECD so it's difficult to tell me tales.151.40.65.156 (talk) 17:10, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Once there were hopes that Japan will become superpower, but things didn't went as good as it was expected. I highly doubt about China because they got no support from any nation on Japan's Senkaku Island dispute. Due to censorship and suppression, one should visit China or truly consult those who have recently visited China, if they want to know about the situation of China. Just like James Fallows had said. We all know how great European Union is doing too. So who's left now? None.

All these potential superpowers, Brazil, China, EU, India, Russia have no military influence like USA. These countries don't have as many military bases in the world, they haven't fought as many wars either. So you if you think wider, you may find these all assumptions to be incomplete after all. These predictions are not final but an idea. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 17:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

EU and China have strong military .All have nukes to cancel life on Earth (2 french submarines class Le Triomphant are more than sufficient to cancel life on Earth like the 40 nukes managed by Italy in Ghedi) ,but only Usa ,EU and China have a conventional military system really huge.They are the only runners.Economically only EU and USA as GDP and NET WEALTH are really superpowers.Brazil ,Russia and even India can't be compared to the USA,EU and China.I see a lot of ignoranance.I just posted 3 new citations against Russia on the Talk.If you like i can post more.There are many of them.Same i could do for Brazil.I wrote to Sergecross73 too..i want to realize if he is partial.Many people too are supporting Russia-Brazil deletion.Time to do it.Thanks).151.40.12.61 (talk) 18:39, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Looks like you don't have enough information about these matters.

Nuclear weapon is worthless if opponent has got shield, one by one it is being developed too,[17] neither a nuclear weapon is capable enough to damage a whole country, you may want to mention location or the range itself.

First of all I didn't talked about military population, because there are few countries whose military exceeds China and European union in terms of both power and population.

How can we rely on the military of China when it has huge history of defection? When did China war last time? 1967 and 1979? They left the battlefield both times.

Usually, Chinese rockets or missiles don't seem to be working that really, they fail to inflict even nominal damage. Just check their performance whenever Palestine wars with Israel, or even during a minor conflict. Those rockets or missiles can't even damage a commercial ship, just forget about the real warship.

If you want to talk about "net wealthy" and anything else, just read List of countries by external debt once and compare it with the actual GDP. Even China has 3 trillion debt now. Brazil, India and Russia are not even dictatorial, they are usually considered more of an example for a nation than China is. Human right reports are self explanatory. Brazil, India, Russia have more sources than Europe. You should also have a satellite view, may reveal that mountains are beyond the desert that have got lights.

If we want to base our opinion, we can, but recognize established facts. Alright? OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:58, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

So go to read the 3 new sources against Russia.I know well weapons and i even wrote some articles on them.Same for economy.Brazil and Russia are insignificant at the economic- financial level.EU and USA have a GDP 8 times the russian oneand 60 times the net wealth.What do we comnpare?They have a net wealth that can be insignificant.Please read Credit Suisse Global Wealth Report Databook or the Allianz One.Now it's time to delete Russia and Brazil.If you need i can post to smash these 2 reports.151.40.12.61 (talk) 19:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

What about the daily expenditure and debt? It is much higher than you believe.

I didn't got what you mean from "insignificant" because Brazil and Russia are one of the most important trading partner of other 3 economical groups. They are part of BRICS as well.

You can remove whatever you want to. I probably agree with the current version. But if you have reached to consensus, let me know. You should also make a account, like other IP did. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 19:17, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Impossible to talk to people that don't know economy.About account the russian chief (173...) that is well listen by Sergiocross73 nobody cares,but he act heavily all times.Effervency as wrote in talk would have added even Turkey supported by a rubbish source to JUSTIFY Brazil and Russia too in the article.Now i've the consensus of the majority of the writers in the talk .So?151.40.12.61 (talk) 19:22, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Reports about wealth distribution are not really relevant here. They measure 100 families. If Effervescency‎ mentions turkey, it wouldn't matter until he adds. But it is not going to happen. You've been told that if there are reliable sources about Turkey or even Nicaragua they can be added to the list. Because of WP:VERIFY. Who's Sergiocross73? Also the discussion is ongoing on talk of potential superpowers. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 19:32, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

He said to be an Administrator.He helped a lot pro russians.I like real things not pro-people.You seem by the writing irish.I've long eyes.Soon this article must be restored as Antiocus the Great did.Can i act in this sense with majority of consensus between writers in talks?151.40.12.61 (talk) 19:36, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Mistake in Russia nominal GDP

All countries nominal gdps are ranked according to IMF 2014 April estimates.According to them Russia with 2,092 is 9th behind Italy that is 8th with 2,171.I 've already posted it on the talk of Russia article.Will somebody correct this huge mistake?Russians as often manipualte for propaganda.Time to correct article Russia.151.40.12.61 (talk) 22:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry 151.40.12.61 your wrong, Russia is the 5th largest economy now and will be number 4 in 2016 and is the biggest in Europe[18].

Here's the facts http://rt.com/business/russia-gdp-5th-largest-158/

http://thebricspost.com/russia-ranked-5th-largest-economy-world-bank/#.U7x7oE1OXnM

http://en.ria.ru/business/20130715/182248723/Medvedev-Lauds-Russias-5th-Place-in-World-Banks-GDP-Rating.html

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/russia-takes-5th-place-in-world-gdp-rankings/483190.html

http://www.bne.eu/content/moscow-blog-russia-overtakes-germany-become-5th-largest-economy

http://www.fundweb.co.uk/emerging/russia-now-worlds-fifth-largest-economy-in-gdp-terms/1075160.article

http://rbth.com/business/2013/07/17/russian_economy_becomes_biggest_in_europe_28149.html

--204.15.111.27 (talk) 23:26, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

High amount of resources too. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 01:19, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I checked all 204.... writings.Yes a lot of data but about gdp ppp and not nominal gdp.Italy is 8th and Russia 9th according to IMF in 2014.Time to delete 8th on Russia page ange and add 9th.Italy in its page with 2,171 trillions is 8th and Russia with 2,092 trillions is is 9th.Check Italy and Russia articles to SEE the HUGE MISTAKE in ranking Russia that is 9th.May be other italians will write.It's ridiculous.87.9.30.140 (talk) 10:08, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm totally right..other people what i wrote and more will arrive.Check Italy and Russia ,easy to realize by their 2 articles that Russia with 2,092 as nominal gdp is only 9th behind Italy that has 2,171 8th.Italy is the true 8th and Russia is 9th.151.40.74.108 (talk) 16:24, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

One more

Hi, it's me again. During the Independence Day weekend, I had the time and created several articles that you very kindly reviewed, and which I very much appreciate, especially considering all of the drama with Carriearchdale. There is another article that I created, that was kindly reviewed by another editor, and then unreviewed again by you know who. I wondered if, when you have another moment, you might review Gallo Blue Chip. I'm sure that I'm just inviting more drama from her/him, though this is really the last article I'm creating for awhile now, and my last review request of you for awhile, too. Thanks so much again, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 01:35, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Reviewed. I would've advised you to bring this issue to WP:ANI but you have basically reported it to Fram. Let's wait for him. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 01:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, again. It looks like Carriearchdale reported on me, so the issue is now in other editors' hands. I have responded to the proposal in support of an indefinite block on her/him. I appreciate ALL of your professionalism, kindness, and support; it has certainly made all of this easier to handle, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:59, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/OccultZone. I'm sure you will be able to guess who's behind it... AndyTheGrump (talk) 06:05, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I was going to notify as the user failed to do so, thanks. This seems frivolous at best. ♥ Solarra ♥ ^{♪ 話 ♪} ߷ _{♀ 投稿 ♀} 06:13, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

So today is OccultZone's day to get dumped on. I'm starting to meet you everywhere Solarra. I'd love you to stalk me because OccultZone is starting to get creepy, so I'm putting a restraining order on him/her (real name Jim or Daniella?). Bgwhite (talk) 06:51, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

SPI got backlog, so you cannot say that it will be 'today'. I wish Callanecc will save me ;-) Just like Carrierarchdale, Bgwhite had dug his own grave today, I will show this message "I'd love you to stalk me" to the wife of Bgwhite. Bgwhite can contact oversighter, but it won't save, I have saved this already, vidded too! OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 06:53, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Good Lord. I wish I could NAC the shit out of that request. I believe this is two times you've been called a sock this week, yes? Ishdarian 06:58, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I've PRODed as G3, refers to Hoax or Vandalism. Just like it was done with the SPI of Sean.hoyland.[19] OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:08, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I went ahead and formalized the proposed community ban, that SPI nonsense was just over the top. ♥ Solarra ♥ ^{♪ 話 ♪} ߷ _{♀ 投稿 ♀} 20:31, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Lets see. Right now going as good as you expected. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 20:37, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Imply changes using AWB

I've noticed that you've made changes to a number of articles on my watchlist with the cryptic comment "Imply changes using AWB". Most of these changes seem to be related to delinking geographical districts. Can you elaborate on what your edit comment means, and the purpose of the changes? Pburka (talk) 14:52, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

@Pburka: Surely. I had a bit of doubt with different types of pages. I cannot say that I am delinking even if I haven't delinked anything. But now I have imported the list where delinking is one of the aspect. Now you can check. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:03, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Can you clarify that? What list are you talking about? What can I check? What does "imply changes" mean? Pburka (talk) 18:18, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

List that I've made for my own convenience about the pages that I have to edit. These changes includes the addition of infobox, persondata, defaultsort and removal of overbolding, overlinking, double hyperlinks, etc. When I had made above message, I was still on AWB. Anyways, you know now, and I specifically mentioned "delinking" in later summaries. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:21, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

"Imply changes" means absolutely nothing -- you need to stop using it in edit summaries. Also, your delinking is a bit overbaord. The first instance of a geographical place in an article, typically in the lede section, can be linked. Let's not unnecessarily inconvenience our readers. Thanks, BMK (talk) 21:22, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

@Beyond My Ken: "clean up" shall sound better. You can link sublocation and only once, but not anything else. There is consensus to remove all geo locations for about 5 years now. You have just to go through the archives of WT:LINK. Even the recent proposal crashed big time [20]. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:07, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I see two issues: the edit summary, and the content. Whilst I would agree that "Imply changes using AWB" is meaningless and could be improved, it's not easy to make edit summaries apply to hundreds of articles. It's taken quite a long time for me to develop my own edit summaries and I know it's not simple or always wise to use generic description when each article may have a different problematic.

Excessive linking devalues or dilute other links in the article, and distract the reader from direct and more pertinent targets. You do not give diffs of the unlinking that bothers you. But generally, chain-linking is considered undesirable, as are a series of successive links such as "Düsseldorf, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany"; "Wan Chai, Hong Kong"; "Hills District, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia" or "Hollywood, Los Angeles, California". These cascades are examples of potential for safe reduction in link density because the first and most specific link will contain a link to the second or successive ones. The lede is often the most densely linked part of the screen real estate, and many people find the density detracts from the reading experience as well as potentially sending the reader away to other articles when they have not yet even read the lead in its entirety. These would be much better linked as "Düsseldorf, North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany"; "Wan Chai, Hong Kong"; "Hills District, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia" and "Hollywood, Los Angeles, California" respectively. Furthermore, countries and world cities are deemed "major geographical features" and their linking is not usually necessary by consensus inherent in the guidelines. Regards, -- Ohc ^¡digame! 03:38, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I use my previous edit summaries. Just thought of variation but probably it wasn't as good. There were a number of pages where company name was based on some geolocation and the location was linked, for example "The New York Center", it would be linked as "The New York Center", that is completely irrelevant. Agreed. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:47, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

None of that unlinks that I undid were anything like that, they were things like the first occurence of "New York City" in the article body. Try to think a bit less about bureaucratic rules and a bit more about what is most helpful and convenient to our readers -- to me, that's the key. BMK (talk) 06:07, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

That megopolis and world city... When I've come across it, New York City can be unlinked 98 cases out of 100 without detracting from the story; instead it would generally be beneficial. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 11:25, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I actually agree - there's no reason that NYC needs to be linked multiple times in an article, but, as a service to our readers (who, after all, we are here to serve), the first link in the article, which almost invariably occurs in the lede, should be linked. It was these types of unlinkings made by OccultZone that I undid. (Incidentally, FYI, it's "megalopolis", not "megopolis".) BMK (talk) 19:53, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Megalopolis was unlinked? Consider re-edit because it is a disambiguation. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 23:48, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

The script isn't set up to remove that word, disambiguated or not, correctly spelt or not. We were both referring to NYC all along. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 02:16, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

I doubted too. People often confuses with the "1 link" with all links. The "1 link" has to do nothing with the geolocations. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:20, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

Review

Dugarajapatnam Port--Vin09 (talk) 18:01, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:03, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Follow-up

Hi, I wanted to follow-up with you regarding the report against me that was filed by Carriearchdale, and in which I have mentioned you. Thank you for all of your support, and comments regarding this. The link, as you know, is at: [21]. For the record, I would like to state that the user's accusations are completely unfounded. Thank you, again, for your support, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:42, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I am in touch and you are welcome. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:49, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Review

Gandhi Hill, Vijayawada--Vin09 (talk) 09:49, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

 Done OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 10:00, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Adding living parameter to WPBIO

Hi OccultZone! I saw the conversation at Bots/Requests for approval. I agree that adding a blank parameter is not a good primary purpose for a bot, but could be done while the bot is doing other things that are visible to the reader. Could you think of a line of code that could be added to the bottom of Magioladitis' WikiProjects custom module for AWB that could detect if the parameter is missing and then add it? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:09, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

No because of different codings of WP, WikiProject, and sometimes it is simply WPBIO. Makes it harder, recently someone has objected the use of AfD template being transferred at the top of wikiproject. It may take a while, but if these issues haven't been resolved, I would say that it can be done as greatly without AWB as well, I think whenever I will be adding wikiprojects to these 10,000 articles that I've collected. Will let you know. About listas I will be doing that on my other account, until now there were no objections too. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 14:19, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone still it would be better if GoingBatty was doing them using their bot and if WikiProject was noticed first. I am not convinced that adding a blank parameter is a good idea. Adding a blank parameters sets a value to null. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:36, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

I will probably get back to it, but after I have approval for the wikiprojects. I agree that multiple changes shall be made. You were right about the list as well, I am finally creating for each. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 14:44, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone - I don't understand why you chose to edit my initial post here. I should have explained that one of the things Magioladitis' custom module does is to convert {{WP Biography}}, {{WPBIO}}, and the other redirects to {{WikiProject Biography}}.

I noticed that using {{blps}} will add {{WikiProject Biography}} without the listas parameter. I wonder if the template should also add the blank listas parameter, to help people remember that the parameter value should be added.

As always, please remember to follow Wikipedia:AWB#Rules of use, or eventually some non-AWB user will complain. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:30, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

True, but for that, I use 'find and replace', not module. Cannot be done with module anymore because many projects have been assessed, and some of have the parameters about groups, profession before 'class', 'importance'. About rules, the last complaint about AWB usage that I had goes back to the period when I had about 64,000(or less) edits. I know people (like Lugnuts) are always around :-) OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 01:54, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

I mentioned you

Hi, this is just a courtesy to let you know that I have mentioned you on the following page that another editor has just requested for deletion at [22]. Thanks, Daniellagreen ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:09, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes I saw. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 17:16, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thank you for all of your resilience, professionalism, and support regarding some recent issues. I very much appreciate your support; thank you. Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 23:37, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	For all of your support and professionalism toward me, you definitely deserve to receive another one of these. Thank you, again, Daniellagreen (talk) (cont) 00:45, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

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Again...

Why did you unlink "Bavaria" from the lede sentence in Anna Ottendorfer? BMK (talk) 11:47, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Because it is the name of the state, not the city, sub-location was already linked. The "one link" you talk about is other way around. It doesn't support the linking of multiple locations but linking of anything else that is important for the article. For example you cannot link "George Bush" multiple times on any article just like you cannot link "Bavaria" in biographical articles such as above one. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 11:50, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

It was the first link in the article. Please rethink your de-linking proghram before it becomes a behvaioral issue. BMK (talk) 18:01, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

@Beyond My Ken: Again who says that you can link the location of state when you have linked the city? Check any or most of the FA articles, state is never linked, or at least they don't require changes with locations, professions, or any other links that are not important to add. Just check Audie Murphy, John Francis Jackson, Frank Bladin for a few names. I am sure that these pages were flooded with wikilinks of geolocations, dates, professions but now they don't seem to be. Remember that if some useless link was removed it is still improvement. @Ohconfucius: What you think? OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:03, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Islam is the name of the religion. Muslim is the name of its devotees.

"Özdemir is a secular Muslim<ref name="Spiegel_2008">''[[Spiegel online]]'', 15. October 2008: [http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,584300,00.html A Turk at the Top].</ref>". Walter Görlitz (talk) 13:30, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

But when you name the religion, the word has to be Islam. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 15:10, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: Amusing

So they did! It wouldn't be the first time either - not long after I became more active in 2012 (having been here since late 2011), my name was reported and we had a lovely chat in which it was decided it wasn't egregious enough of an offense. (It's in my first talk page archive if you're interested.) I also was not notified my name had been reported before you brought it to my attention, so thank you! Fortunately, the report was declined after all, I hope the user will not press the issue further... LazyBastardGuy 17:28, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Persondata delinking

Since Persondata maybe used outside Wikipedia too, why you unlink the places? I am not in favour of links in Persondata but since WP:Persondata allows this option, why do you unlink them? Is this covered by some guideline? -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:10, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Per WP:OVERLINKING you cannot link anything that is:-

• everyday words understood by most readers in context;
• the names of major geographic features and locations; languages; religions; common occupations; and pre- and post-nominals;
• common units of measurement, e.g. relating to area, currency, length, temperature, time, or volume (if both non-metric and metric equivalents are provided, as in 18 °C (64 °F), usually neither unit need be linked because almost all readers will understand at least one or the other unit);
• dates.

You can run any of these delinking scripts or program on most of the FA articles and you won't find any links that can be de-linked, because they have followed these guidelines. In short words, removing a unnecessary link is still improvement. Furthermore, even if link is important, it shouldn't be linked 2nd time. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:18, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone Persondata is not visible on page and may also used by external programs and off-site viewers. Nothing of WP:OVERLINKING applies in this case. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:21, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:Persondata reads that the data "can be extracted automatically and processed by cataloging tools and then used for a variety of purposes, such as providing advanced search capabilities, statistical analysis, automated categorization, and birthday lists." -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:30, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Off-site viewers are capable of keeping the wikilink? Or whenever they would copy-paste data, they will have to remove bracket? I.e. "Spain" → "Spain". The given example of Persondata is not supportive of any wikilinks, also per WP:Persondata#Parameters. It says "currently it isn't necessary to provide wikilinks in them", rest is just matter of doubt. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:36, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

But it clearly says "however, these might be useful in some future application". We can't just removed them because they are not used now! The entire Persondata is not used now by any cataloging tools as far as I know. This does not mean that we should go and remove it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:40, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

So if someone has overlinked professions, geolocations in persondata, it must be kept? If you know anyway to ignore persondata you can let me know. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:44, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, the script must hide Persondata IMO. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:47, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

I am talking about the Module of AWB, you know any language/coding related with that. Check this edit for an example[23], de-links location on Persondata. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 18:49, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

script = module. You 'll have to make a tweak or ask the guy who created this. I think this was created long before Persondata appears. -- Magioladitis (talk) 18:53, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

The geolocation links are removed by the AWB module along the same principles as for my removing wikilinks in general – major geographical features, world cities, states where these are followed by cities that are already linked. Except for 6 countries whose links are removed almost universally, country links are removed only when they are preceded by another wikilink and when the linked country is followed by a line feed. That's why countries are removed in personendata templates.

Chances are, if another site uses personendata, they won't have the same conventions as us, and our linking syntax is irrelevant to them; a link that exists nowhere else except in persondata pollutes our own wikilinking data and gives misleading results for [what links here] functions. Also, even if linking within personendata was necessary, I've never worked out how to make a script module avoid the template and its contents. But if it's upsetting people so much, I'm prepared to disable the country unlinking, but that would perpetuate the overlinking that exists throughout the encyclopaedia. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 11:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Ohconfucius is there no way that you disable fixing inside Persondata? I know that the entire conversion is bases on assumptions. So you could also just open a discussion on Persondata's talk page.? -- Magioladitis (talk)

It's binary, all or nothing, because I'm no programmer and simply don't know how to do that for AWB. This unlinking has never been an issue until now, and if persondata is stopping, unlinkiing of their contents would surely be of no consequence. I can certainly open a discussion there.  Ohc ^¡digame! 15:05, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Do not assume that all the tools/scripts/modules you find and use work fine because this is what I think you do. It looks like you use semi-automated scripts indiscriminately. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:22, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes and it is pretty clear that I haven't delinked overlinking on persondata since the above post, I will shortly inform you once I will resolve. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:35, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I do not have any strong feelings about how data should be in Persondata since I believe soon Persondata will get deleted and the information can be obtained directly via the infoboxes but since then let's stick to the agreed rules. The guys working with Persondata certainly know more about it. Thanks for contacting the script creator. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:46, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Dogs

Since till now WikiProject Dogs had only 3 files tagged for their project, did you contact and you are sure that they want files to be tagged for their project? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

There were few files for military, I tagged 100s after contacting. It is not really formal. I think you can tag any file that is related with the project just like you can create any article related with the project. I've been through and previously you had to tag as 'class=file' but now it is automatically done. I created a article related with dogs today, since there is no category for the pictures only project may help. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 19:55, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Today is my day of funny questions, isn't it? Not all WikiProjects are interested on every possible page. So not all projects want files to be tagged as not all projects have class=C, etc. WikiProject Greece, for instance, is only interested in a very limited amount of redirects. While Wikiproject US in the past was tagging pages indiscriminately. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:59, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Just to make clear: My motivation is to improve your editing style! :) Keep editing. Just be more careful that what you do is not controversial. Take pre-cautions. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:09, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

I know it has always been :-) OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 20:10, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

WikiProjects

Why did you assess for the WikiProject The Bill? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:20, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Removed it too, per overtagging. Hardly half-sentence. Informed the wikiproject. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:01, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

The WikiProject chose not to add importance/class the same way WikiProject Songs, one of the largest WikiProject, does not add importance. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:11, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

For a WikiProject that has less than 300 articles I think it's normal not to be interested for class/importance. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:15, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Correct and I don't classify the importance of those wikiproject. But if someone had added importance, the reason would remain unknown until the editor clarifies. Sometimes they do it on purpose. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:30, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

And WikiProject Chicago does not have the same criteria as WikiProject Biography this is the reason that when my bot ran it did not classes for WP Chicago to let the WP Chicago community decide about the class. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:24, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

I assessed them and informed tonythetiger once about the article and its issues. He had no problem. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:01, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

In order to help the WikiProjects you should first check what they do. Blind tagging won't be any good. I also do not like the fact that you decide importance rating without being a member of the projects and without checking what the wikiprojects do because there is a chance the that the projects have a different approach in some things. WikiProjects do not have the same criteria and priorities otherwise we would not have to add classes and importance separately. Moreover, some projects choose not to have specific classes or not to have importance. And perhaps there is more. -- Magioladitis (talk)

I usually decide importance of only those subjects about which I know. I've rated the articles of WP:France because I had the idea of the importance. Any article that has been added to WikiProject:Biography don't require any importance. Class is usually same for all articles and 95% of these articles have to be stub or start. Probably that's why even after 10,0000s of such edits I've seen no revert of my edit, one more reason is that I usually read about the particular wikiproject before I would start assessing multiple articles. If you join the wikiproject, next question will be "For how long you've been a member?", "What you've done", then "How many you've invited", it is a lot about the accuracy and knowledge that can be implemented even without joining a wikiproject or dedicating. There are no restriction or at least the last 3(biography, France, football) that I assessed had none. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 02:01, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

The projects with quality assessment can be found here: Category:WikiProject banners with quality assessment. Not all projects have quality assessment. -- Magioladitis (talk) 03:38, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes and it is about 197. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 03:43, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

A small minority but still. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:05, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Alt account

I keep going with my remarks: Since you edit a lot and you are willing to help you should be more careful with the rules. Please do not use your alternative account for commenting. All commenting should be done by your main account. I understand that only comment that you did most probably was by mistake, I am just giving you an advice for future reference. Thanks, Magioladitis (talk) 07:15, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Are you are sure? Before I would create another account I had asked King of hearts(SPI clerk) about using talk page with 2 accs, he said "If it is disclosed, then pretty much everything is OK given that we treat the two accounts as one person (so you can't still can't make four reverts in 24 hours)." I still signed like it is my main account so that people won't confuse. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:25, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Same reason we don't use our bot accounts on talk pages. It's best to only use your main account to not confuse people. Bgwhite (talk) 07:28, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Bot account and alternative account are different. Bot can be used only for what it was assigned. No such rule applies on alternative account. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:33, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

It makes it more difficult to follow edits and discussions if they are split in multiple accounts. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:48, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

It may and such difficulty can be sorted in a few seconds. Hopefully you know now that it is allowed and nothing can be done against that since the owner is treating them as one person. This treatment is not just limited with the owner but also with others, suppose if main account is blocked, alternate account will be blocked too. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 07:59, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Commenting from a second account serves none of the purposes described at WP:DOPPELGANGER unless I miss something. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:03, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Really? You are arguing over making it harder, not easier, for people to follow. I think you are starting to take things too personally. Calm down. We aren't attacking you, just giving advice to make it easier for others. Bgwhite (talk) 08:10, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:DOPPELGANGER? It is an essay that doesn't say anything about accounts that I've created. See this way, "occults" and "occultzone" have different meaning, it had to be "0ccults" for "Occults" or "0ccultZ0ne" for "OccultZone", then surely. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 08:13, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Wrong link. I should have used WP:VALIDALT. I refer to the entire paragraph. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:17, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

And what I wrote it was supposed to be an advice to help other editors. It's not a warning or something. If there is not a serious reason to use alt account better stick to the main account. To help talk page stalkers, edit counters, etc. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:29, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: Alright then. Let's talk about Bgwhite. If it is all about "laugh and cry" then above messages are self-explanatory, he has made us laugh so many times but he has also made others cry.[24],[25] What can be done about him? You have got a higher level account in this MMORPG so you can inform. OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 09:57, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Nobody was aggressive with you. You edit a lot so it's normal that you get a lot of remarks and hints. Moreover, please do not address personal attacks against anyone. I fail to see why you react like that. IMO, you edit a lot without considering all the parameters and we try to help each other. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:30, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

You actually took that seriously? It was meant to be humorous. You said it before and I considered. Although, this one is pretty unclear, "please do not address personal attacks against anyone", you aren't allowed? OccultZone (Talk • Contributions • Log) 12:32, 13 July 2014 (UTC)