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* [[:Category:S.S.D. Palermo]] to [[:Category:Palermo F.C.]] – C2D, match parent article name. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 13:52, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
* [[:Category:S.S.D. Palermo]] to [[:Category:Palermo F.C.]] – C2D, match parent article name. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 13:52, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
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*::'''Oppose speedy'''. @[[User:GiantSnowman|GiantSnowman]], the head article was moved from {{noredirect|S.S.D. Palermo}} to [[:Palermo F.C.]] on 5 August 2020: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palermo_F.C.&diff=974867593&oldid=974835159]. I have found no trace of a discussion, so this is ineligible for [[WP:C2D]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 19:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
*::'''Oppose speedy'''. @[[User:GiantSnowman|GiantSnowman]], the head article was moved from {{noredirect|S.S.D. Palermo}} to [[:Palermo F.C.]] on 5 August 2020: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palermo_F.C.&diff=974867593&oldid=974835159]. I have found no trace of a discussion, so this is ineligible for [[WP:C2D]]. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 19:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
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*:::{{ping|BrownHairedGirl}} err either you have a short memory or you are deliberately misremembering, but the ''original'' location of the article was [[:Palermo F.C.]], that move you have linked to was a revert of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Palermo_F.C.&diff=prev&oldid=974835159 this undiscussed move] from earlier that day. Please [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Palermo+F.C. review the logs]. As such, it is entirely eligible. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 19:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
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- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
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Current requests
- Category:Drugs and the military to Category:Psychoactive drugs and the military, C2C per Category:Psychoactive drugs. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:22, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and northern Bukovina to Category:Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina – C2D per Soviet occupation of Bessarabia and Northern Bukovina. Super Ψ Dro 08:57, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- I only tagged the category now--Ymblanter (talk) 19:11, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:1820 in labour relations to Category:1820 in labor relations C2C per parent Category:Labor relations by year, grandparent parent Category:Labor relations, and great-grandparent Category:Labor.
Please retain the category redirects so that readers and editors do not need to know which of the Labor/Labour WP:ENGVAR variations is used.
Note that there is a MOS:COMMONALITY case for renaming the whole category to an ENGVAR-neutral term, such as "employment relations" or "industrial relations". However, that would be a much broader nomination involving over 500 categories, and since it would be a change of naming convention it would be ineligible for speedy. So this nomination just upholds the existing convention, without prejudice to any consensus to make a new convention.--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:02, 11 September 20200 (UTC)- These 179 categories have all been tagged, in these edits. The last tag was timestamped 19:20.[1]. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Walter P. Reuther to Category:Walter Reuther – To match parent article name Walter Reuther User:Namiba 18:03, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo to Category:Palermo F.C. – C2D, match parent article name. GiantSnowman 13:52, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy. @GiantSnowman, the head article was moved from S.S.D. Palermo to Palermo F.C. on 5 August 2020: [2]. I have found no trace of a discussion, so this is ineligible for WP:C2D. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: err either you have a short memory or you are deliberately misremembering, but the original location of the article was Palermo F.C., that move you have linked to was a revert of this undiscussed move from earlier that day. Please review the logs. As such, it is entirely eligible. GiantSnowman 19:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy. @GiantSnowman, the head article was moved from S.S.D. Palermo to Palermo F.C. on 5 August 2020: [2]. I have found no trace of a discussion, so this is ineligible for WP:C2D. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo chairmen and investors to Category:Palermo F.C. chairmen and investors
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo managers to Category:Palermo F.C. managers
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo matches to Category:Palermo F.C. matches
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo players to Category:Palermo F.C. players
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo seasons to Category:Palermo F.C. seasons
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo templates to Category:Palermo F.C. templates
- Category:VidyaSagar to Category:Vidyasagar (composer) (over redirect) – C2D per Vidyasagar (composer) Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:46, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Vanity Fair (British magazine) to Category:Vanity Fair (UK magazine) – C2D per Vanity Fair (UK magazine) Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:19, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Vanity Fair (British magazine) caricatures to Category:Vanity Fair (UK magazine) caricatures
- Category:Vanity Fair (British magazine) people to Category:Vanity Fair (UK magazine) people
- Category:Vanity Fair (British magazine) artists to Category:Vanity Fair (UK magazine) artists
- @Good Olfactory: I believe we should simply move the article instead. IIRC there was an RFC which decided that pages about media etc should use American/British rather than US/UK. – Fayenatic London 08:41, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oh, okay. That would be fine with me. It looks like the article name got moved around a bit – there was no discussion of changing "British" to "UK", so it probably can be moved back. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:43, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Good Olfactory: I believe we should simply move the article instead. IIRC there was an RFC which decided that pages about media etc should use American/British rather than US/UK. – Fayenatic London 08:41, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Vogue (British magazine) to Category:British Vogue – C2D per British Vogue Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:16, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Harvard Lampoon to Category:The Harvard Lampoon – C2D per The Harvard Lampoon Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:13, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:PVH clothing brands to Category:PVH (company) clothing brands – C2D per PVH (company) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:25, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Companies listed on TASE to Category:Companies listed on the Tel Aviv Stock Exchange – C2D per Tel Aviv Stock Exchange Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:23, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:SM Investments Corporation to Category:SM Investments – C2D per SM Investments Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:21, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Companies listed on the Osaka Securities Exchange to Category:Companies listed on the Osaka Exchange – C2D per Osaka Exchange Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:19, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Companies listed on the New Zealand Stock Exchange to Category:Companies listed on the New Zealand Exchange – C2D per New Zealand Exchange Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:17, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Companies listed on NASDAQ to Category:Companies listed on Nasdaq – C2D per Nasdaq Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:16, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. @Good Ol’factory, I have reverted the undiscussed moved. The article is now back at NASDAQ. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:43, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Nairobi Stock Exchange to Category:Nairobi Securities Exchange – C2D per Nairobi Securities Exchange Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:14, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Companies listed on the Bolsa Mexicana de Valores to Category:Companies listed on the Mexican Stock Exchange – C2D per Mexican Stock Exchange Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:12, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Companies listed on the Ho Chi Minh Securities Trading Center to Category:Companies listed on the Ho Chi Minh City Stock Exchange – C2D per Ho Chi Minh City Stock Exchange Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:10, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Companies listed on the Hanoi Securities Trading Center to Category:Companies listed on the Hanoi Stock Exchange – C2D per Hanoi Stock Exchange Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:08, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Companies listed on the La Paz Stock Exchange to Category:Companies listed on the Bolivian Stock Exchange – C2D per Bolivian Stock Exchange Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:05, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Companies listed on the Stock Exchange of Colombia to Category:Companies listed on the Colombia Stock Exchange – C2D per Colombia Stock Exchange Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:04, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Companies listed on the Bahrain Stock Exchange to Category:Companies listed on the Bahrain Bourse – C2D per Bahrain Bourse Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:02, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Companies listed on the Athens Stock Exchange to Category:Companies listed on the Athens Exchange – C2D per Athens Exchange Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:59, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Companies listed on the Abu Dhabi Securities Market to Category:Companies listed on the Abu Dhabi Securities Exchange – C2D per Abu Dhabi Securities Exchange Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:57, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:JGC to Category:JGC Corporation – C2D per JGC Corporation Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Nippon Paper to Category:Nippon Paper Industries – C2D per Nippon Paper Industries Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:37, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Ottoman Empire Catholics to Category:Catholics of the Ottoman Empire – C2C, Category:People of the Ottoman Empire and subcategories Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:32, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Ottoman Empire Renaissance humanists to Category:Renaissance humanists of the Ottoman Empire – C2C, Category:People of the Ottoman Empire and subcategories Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:31, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:A.F.C. Bournemouth to Category:AFC Bournemouth – C2D: See AFC Bournemouth. Steel1943 (talk) 18:14, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:A.F.C. Bournemouth managers to Category:AFC Bournemouth managers
- Category:A.F.C. Bournemouth matches to Category:AFC Bournemouth matches
- Category:A.F.C. Bournemouth non-playing staff to Category:AFC Bournemouth non-playing staff
- Category:A.F.C. Bournemouth players to Category:AFC Bournemouth players
- Category:A.F.C. Bournemouth seasons to Category:AFC Bournemouth seasons
- Category:A.F.C. Bournemouth templates to Category:AFC Bournemouth templates
- Category:A.F.C. Bournemouth wartime guest players to Category:AFC Bournemouth wartime guest players
- Category:F.C. Hansa Rostock to Category:FC Hansa Rostock – C2D: See FC Hansa Rostock. Steel1943 (talk) 15:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Chiefs of Staff of the Armed Forces of the Philippines to Category:Chairmen of the Joint Chiefs of the Philippines – C2D per Chairman of the Joint Chiefs (Philippines). RioHondo (talk) 10:03, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. Title only just changed. Almost every person in the category held the title of Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces of the Philippines. It therefore makes no sense to change the title of the category. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:32, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:The Poconos to Category:Pocono Mountains – C2D per Pocono Mountains Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:21, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Jebel Akhdar, Libya to Category:Jebel Akhdar (Libya) – C2D per Jebel Akhdar (Libya) Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:17, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Small blue round cell tumor to Category:Small-blue-round-cell tumors – C2A: Match set category status and main article's spelling. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kilauea to Category:Kīlauea – C2D per Kīlauea Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:14, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Bridger-Teton National Forest to Category:Bridger–Teton National Forest – C2D per Bridger–Teton National Forest Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:09, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Pan American World Airways accidents and incidents to Category:Pan Am accidents and incidents – per Category:Pan Am/Pan Am Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kotleba – People's Party Our Slovakia politicians to Category:People's Party Our Slovakia politicians – per Category:People's Party Our Slovakia/People's Party Our Slovakia Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:31, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:New Zealand Reform Party to Category:Reform Party (New Zealand) – C2D per Reform Party (New Zealand) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:29, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Popular Democratic Party of Puerto Rico to Category:Popular Democratic Party (Puerto Rico) – C2D per Popular Democratic Party (Puerto Rico) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:23, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Popular Democratic Party of Puerto Rico politicians to Category:Popular Democratic Party (Puerto Rico) politicians
- Category:Budgets by year to Category:Government budgets by year — C2C per parent Category:Government budgets. Also C2D per head article government budget. The articles all appear to be government budgets.
(The sibling categories Category:Government budgets by decade and Category:Government budgets by decade are newly-created by me). --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:21, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Budgets by year to Category:Government budgets by year — C2C per parent Category:Government budgets. Also C2D per head article government budget. The articles all appear to be government budgets.
- Category:New Party (Republic of China) politicians to Category:New Party (Taiwan) politicians – per Category:New Party (Taiwan)/New Party (Taiwan) Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:05, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:To Potami politicians to Category:The River (Greece) politicians – per Category:The River (Greece)/The River (Greece) Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:45, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lewica Razem to Category:Left Together – C2D per Left Together Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:43, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Cultural depictions of the Nativity of Christ to Category:Cultural depictions of the Nativity of Jesus – per Category:Nativity of Jesus/Nativity of Jesus Good Ol’factory (talk) 22:23, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Good Olfactory: do we even need a capital for Nativity? Just a question, not an objection. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Marcocapelle: That's a good question. I retained it only because it was already there. My sense is that it's probably unneeded, but I'm unsure. Good Ol’factory (talk) 08:42, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Ok let's then just proceed as nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:39, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
Opposed requests
- Category:Politics of the Solomon Islands to Category:Politics of Solomon Islands – Per C2D and MOS:ENGVAR. 83.250.95.80 (talk) 17:48, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose changing only this category. All direct subcategories of Category:Solomon Islands and Category:Politics of the Solomon Islands include the, except categories starting in "Solomon Islands". BrownHairedGirl would you (and your bot) be interested in tackling this? Some articles such as Cannabis in the Solomon Islands also use the. TSventon (talk) 08:49, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose. I am not persuaded so far that removing the definite article is appropriate. It's certainly not an ENGVAR issue.
@TSventon I have no bot task authorised for anything like this, but I could an AWB run fairly easily. However, this would need to be a full CFD discussion, not a speedy, since it's changing a convention. If someone can make at least a prima facie case for this renaming, then I will make a procedural CFD nom ... but i am not going to put in the time for something as flimsy as that ENGVAR claim. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:35, 9 September 2020 (UTC) - @BrownHairedGirl, thanks for offering help and for critically evaluating the proposal. I think there is a prima facie case for renaming subcategories of Category:Solomon Islands, noting that "the" is used for Solomon Islands (archipelago), which also includes Bougainville. However the discussion on the name at Talk:Solomon Islands#Official name was poorly attended so perhaps the categories should be left until there is a more formal discussion. Evidence for using the name without "the" includes:
- The main article Solomon Islands explains that "Independence was obtained, and the name changed to just "Solomon Islands" (without the definite article), in 1978."
- Category:Solomon Islands has begun with "The country of Solomon Islands" since 2014.
- Related articles such as Politics of Solomon Islands were moved in August 2018 and seem stable.
- A recent Guardian article uses Solomon Islands without the. TSventon (talk) 20:22, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, @TSventon. That's better: only one external source is still a bit weak for me to actually support, but it is a prima facie case. I reckoned it would be enough to keep my promise of a procedural nomination, but then I found that my Petscan search gave me a list of 510 categories: https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=17318925. (I was surprised. I expected about 75 cats).
- I will proceed on that basis if you want (since that was my promise) ... but can you find anything more solid? 510 cats is a big nomination to do without a firm base. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:44, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl, what would you like to see to support a big nomination? Would a request for comment on the question of "Solomon Islands" or "the Solomon Islands" be advisable? I am not an expert on (the) Solomon Islands or mass changes to categories so I am happy to take advice. Wikipedia articles on the country seem to have moved to the official form, leaving the categories with "the", so there is an inconsistency that should be resolved.
- "Only" 458 of the categories contain "the Solomon Islands" and one is "Flora of the Solomon Islands (archipelago)", leaving 457 to be changed. The report excludes categories starting with "Solomon Islands" (which would not need to be changed) so it understates the number of categories linked to the country. Category:Biota of the Solomon Islands and Category:Lists of biota of the Solomon Islands seem ambiguous between the country "Solomon Islands" and the archipelago, so that should probably be resolved first.
- I think the decision id subjective: more examples are britannica which does not use the, and Australian Broadcasting Corporation and BBC which do use the. TSventon (talk) 07:50, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Update: I have now posted a question at Category talk:Biota of the Solomon Islands#Scope of category and been told that the category does relate to the country rather than the archipelago. TSventon (talk) 18:08, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, @TSventon. You are right about the number. Here's the correct search:https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=17329102, which indeed has 458 hits as you noted. (My initial search got mangled by the autocorrect in that box on Petscan's output tab.)
Given that two major news organisations use the definite article, it seems to me that this is not clearcut, and the CFD outcome is unpredictable. If it closes as don't-rename, that's over 900 tagging and untagging edits to no avail.
So I strongly recommend an RFC to examine the question ... and than a CfD if needed. But that's your call. I promised to make the full CfD nom, so if you still want to do that, I will make it. Just let me know. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:54, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry, @TSventon. You are right about the number. Here's the correct search:https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=17329102, which indeed has 458 hits as you noted. (My initial search got mangled by the autocorrect in that box on Petscan's output tab.)
- Category:Video games that support Mantle to Category:Video games that support Mantle (API) – C2D: per Mantle (API). 1857a (talk) 18:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- I oppose this, as the API disambiguation tag isn't needed here. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:01, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Video games that support Vulkan to Category:Video games that support Vulkan (API) – C2D: per Vulkan (API). 1857a (talk) 18:57, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- I oppose this, as the API disambiguation tag isn't needed here. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:01, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Game engines that support Mantle to Category:Game engines that support Mantle (API) – C2D: per Mantle (API). 1857a (talk) 16:13, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- I oppose this, as the API disambiguation tag isn't needed here. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:01, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Game engines that support Vulkan to Category:Game engines that support Vulkan (API) – C2D: per Vulkan (API). 1857a (talk) 16:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- I oppose this, as the API disambiguation tag isn't needed here. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:01, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- We just had a RfC about this. How is opposing this still valid? --Gonnym (talk) 07:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- I oppose this, as the API disambiguation tag isn't needed here. ~ Dissident93 (talk) 21:01, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:AppleTV+ films to Category:Apple TV+ original films – C2D per Apple TV+ and C2C per most of Category:American television films; IP moved the articles but not the category Le Deluge (talk) 23:16, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
- Might not apply as its also in Category:American films by studio which is how all the entries are listed. --Gonnym (talk) 19:05, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Le Deluge and Gonnym: I tried to revert the category changes on the articles, but somehow placed most of them into Category:Apple TV+ films instead. (I think I rolled back the wrong IP's edits.) That name did not seem to be opposed by the above, so I changed the remaining articles likewise and moved the category page to that name. Is that an acceptable outcome? – Fayenatic London 21:31, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: It comes down to whether Apple TV is considered a cinema film studio - which use the "Foo films" format, or a television station, which uses the "Foo original films" format. I'd suggest that its name alone implies we treat it as the latter, matching eg Category:Netflix original films, but it's not something I'd go to the wall on. Le Deluge (talk) 21:42, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Le Deluge. @Gonnym: do you accept the precedent of Netflix (and its many sub-cats) as sufficient rationale to depart from the majority pattern within Category:American films by studio? – Fayenatic London 20:21, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Looking closer at the categories it would seem like there is some confusion on the scope of them. Taking Category:Touchstone Pictures films as an example it has Father of the Bride (1991 film) which is produced by Touchstone but distributed by Buena Vista Pictures; Category:20th Century Fox Television films has Blood Feud (1983 film) which it produced. Now looking at Category:Netflix original films it has El Camino: A Breaking Bad Movie and Eurovision Song Contest: The Story of Fire Saga, both of which it didn't produce but only distributed. Category:Apple TV+ films also did not produce Hala (film). So it would seem Category:American films by studio category and "Company films" should only be for films produced by a studio and "Company original films" should not be in that category and is for film networks/channels/sites where a film was originally distributed. If AppleTV+ or Network have films which they produced then they should probably have both categories but from sampling of both I couldn't find any* (found two but checking the IMDb production credits didn't place them as producers). So yeah, support move and moving both categories out of the studio parent as well. --Gonnym (talk) 07:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: OK, so is the proper parent Category:Television films, which also holds Category:Disney XD original films alongside Netflix? – Fayenatic London 15:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Maybe. I see there is no Television film by network category, so for now that seems correct. --Gonnym (talk) 07:27, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Gonnym: OK, so is the proper parent Category:Television films, which also holds Category:Disney XD original films alongside Netflix? – Fayenatic London 15:39, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
- Looking closer at the categories it would seem like there is some confusion on the scope of them. Taking Category:Touchstone Pictures films as an example it has Father of the Bride (1991 film) which is produced by Touchstone but distributed by Buena Vista Pictures; Category:20th Century Fox Television films has Blood Feud (1983 film) which it produced. Now looking at Category:Netflix original films it has El Camino: A Breaking Bad Movie and Eurovision Song Contest: The Story of Fire Saga, both of which it didn't produce but only distributed. Category:Apple TV+ films also did not produce Hala (film). So it would seem Category:American films by studio category and "Company films" should only be for films produced by a studio and "Company original films" should not be in that category and is for film networks/channels/sites where a film was originally distributed. If AppleTV+ or Network have films which they produced then they should probably have both categories but from sampling of both I couldn't find any* (found two but checking the IMDb production credits didn't place them as producers). So yeah, support move and moving both categories out of the studio parent as well. --Gonnym (talk) 07:56, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks, Le Deluge. @Gonnym: do you accept the precedent of Netflix (and its many sub-cats) as sufficient rationale to depart from the majority pattern within Category:American films by studio? – Fayenatic London 20:21, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: It comes down to whether Apple TV is considered a cinema film studio - which use the "Foo films" format, or a television station, which uses the "Foo original films" format. I'd suggest that its name alone implies we treat it as the latter, matching eg Category:Netflix original films, but it's not something I'd go to the wall on. Le Deluge (talk) 21:42, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Le Deluge and Gonnym: I tried to revert the category changes on the articles, but somehow placed most of them into Category:Apple TV+ films instead. (I think I rolled back the wrong IP's edits.) That name did not seem to be opposed by the above, so I changed the remaining articles likewise and moved the category page to that name. Is that an acceptable outcome? – Fayenatic London 21:31, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- Might not apply as its also in Category:American films by studio which is how all the entries are listed. --Gonnym (talk) 19:05, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Acts of the National Assembly for Wales to Category:Acts of Senedd Cymru – Welsh Parliament – C2C per head article Senedd Cymru – Welsh Parliament, as renamed at Talk:Senedd Cymru – Welsh_Parliament#Requested_move_6_May_2020. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose move of Category:Acts of the National Assembly for Wales to Category:Acts of Senedd Cymru – Welsh Parliament. All present members of the category were passed when it had its former name, and that name is still in the official text of each Act. The last Act passed by the National Assembly for Wales was the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Act 2020 which is further described as
2020 anaw 3 An Act of the National Assembly for Wales to ...
whereas the first Act passed by the Senedd Cymru was the Health and Social Care (Quality and Engagement) (Wales) Act 2020 which is further described as2020 asc 1 An Act of the National Assembly for Wales to ...
Note that whilst the numbering prefix has changed from anaw to asc, and the numbering restarted at 1, the text of the Act still saysNational Assembly for Wales
. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 21:34, 29 August 2020 (UTC)- @Redrose64: this is not a new body. It is a change of name, so it should use the current name. If you are proposing to have separate categories for before and after the name change, then that would be a novel approach. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:16, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
- Note to admins. Since only one category of the 20 subcats of Category:National Assembly for Wales set is opposed, I have split[3] it out from the group nomination. I hope that this will allow the other categories to proceed.
- And I still hope that Redrose64 will reconsider their objection.
--BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:30, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- Can we at least get this move revoked? It has created an even worse historical fiction, because there have been no Measures passed since 2011, when the National Assembly for Wales gained the right to pass Acts. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Redrose64: that's done, so this is not the place to raise that. Feel free to make a speedy nom to revert it. I think you are right about the measures, but wrong about the Acts. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
- Can we at least get this move revoked? It has created an even worse historical fiction, because there have been no Measures passed since 2011, when the National Assembly for Wales gained the right to pass Acts. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:58, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose move of Category:Acts of the National Assembly for Wales to Category:Acts of Senedd Cymru – Welsh Parliament. All present members of the category were passed when it had its former name, and that name is still in the official text of each Act. The last Act passed by the National Assembly for Wales was the Children (Abolition of Defence of Reasonable Punishment) (Wales) Act 2020 which is further described as
- @Redrose64: in your comment of 2 September did you mean to withdraw your objection to this nomination? If not, I presume that User:BrownHairedGirl will move this to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:21, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- Category:Nine lyric poets to Category:Nine Lyric Poets – C2D per Nine Lyric Poets Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose: @Good Olfactory: I think the article should be moved. I have started a conversation at Talk:Nine_Lyric_Poets#Capitalisation_of_nine_lyric_poets and will move the article if there is no objection. TSventon (talk) 11:43, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Sweet (band) to Category:The Sweet – C2D per The Sweet Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:44, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:North Macedonian politicians to Category:Macedonian politicians. - WP:C2B. There's a naming convention in place which clearly establishes 'Macedonian' as the term for nationality. The policy was based on a wide consensus established by a RfC. A recent local consensus - [4] was obviously not aware of this and changed the name of the category. --FlavrSavr (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy @FlavrSavr: firstly, the category was moved through full CfD discussion, which closed today, so you could contact the closer and ask them to reconsider their close. Secondly Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia) says "Article names, categories, and templates should avoid adjectival use altogether. The use of neutral formulations such as "of North Macedonia", "in North Macedonia," etc. is preferred", which suggests a move to Category:Politicians of North Macedonia. Category:North Macedonian politicians by party should be nominated as well. Also, the category has not been tagged for speedy renaming. TSventon (talk) 17:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @TSventon: Thanks. So I should contact bibliomaniac15? BTW, that particular sentence has been hotly contested even post formulation of the policy. The 'nationality' part wasn't. --FlavrSavr (talk) 18:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @FlavrSavr: yes, see the lead of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. I would suggest that the discussions should have considered WP:NCMAC, but it seems that they didn't. TSventon (talk) 18:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @TSventon: That's really helpful, thanks. For the sake of formality I did tag the category as CFDS after your comment, but this will probably warrant re-opening the discussion or a new full CfD. I do agree that WP:NCMAC should be the basis of the discussed move. --FlavrSavr (talk) 18:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @FlavrSavr: it is correct to tag the category: the tag will be removed when the speedy process is concluded. The nomination can be moved to the "Moved to full discussion" section if a full discussion is (re)started and the category will also need a full CfD tag. TSventon (talk) 19:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- The CFD decision seems perverse. The category tree is Category:Macedonian people, and this seems to be the only exception to the "Macdenian fooers" convention of its subcats. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Agreed. While WP:NCMAC tried very hard to address the somewhat mixed results of the RfC on the adjectival usage of the country, it is pretty specific about the people (namely: nationality) of that country. I'm surprised that somebody actually brought the issue up, let alone managed to successfully go through a full CFD decision. Let's see what the move review will bring about. --FlavrSavr (talk) 00:36, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- The CFD decision seems perverse. The category tree is Category:Macedonian people, and this seems to be the only exception to the "Macdenian fooers" convention of its subcats. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've listed the two categories for move review instead. bibliomaniac15 20:04, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
- Category:Reggio Audace F.C. players to Category:A.C. Reggiana 1919 players – C2D Matthew hk (talk) 01:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- Opposed as anachronistic. A new top category should be created which should hold sub-categories for the team as it was known when the players actually played for them. --Gonnym (talk) 07:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- Please read the consensus in WP:Footy before making nosense oppose or comment topic that you did not familiar. It is the same team and we don't subcat player for the same team that just renaming. The team has only one article. Not two or a few. Matthew hk (talk) 22:13, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
- Meanwhile moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:32, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Pride parades in Poland to Category:Equality marches in Poland – C2D: See equality marches in Poland, in Poland these events are called "equality marches" in order to emphasize that the organizers want equal rights. (t · c) buidhe 21:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - Alignment with the rest of the category tree (and common usage) should override consistency with the article name in this case. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- The equality marches in Poland are not commonly called "pride parades", even in English language sources. That is simply incorrect. (t · c) buidhe 01:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Black Falcon, I agree with @buidhe: this category should use the actual name used in Poland. So it's a valid C2D nomination, with a valid valid C2C-based objection. This needs a full discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- The equality marches in Poland are not commonly called "pride parades", even in English language sources. That is simply incorrect. (t · c) buidhe 01:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - Alignment with the rest of the category tree (and common usage) should override consistency with the article name in this case. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Chotek to Category:Chotek family – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Armbrust The Homunculus 11:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion?Rathfelder (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Armbrust The Homunculus 11:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Rathfelder: are you going to move this one to full discussion too? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Will do. Rathfelder (talk) 21:47, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- This has meanwhile been added to the existing full discussion about Austrian noble families. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Peace mechanism to Category:Peace process – C2D per Peace process Brandmeistertalk 18:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Peace process was originally named Category:Peace mechanism for a good reason. Please restore the category name to Category:Peace mechanism. I'm not an admin so I can't.
- Category:Peace processes is for peace processes such as Category:Bangsamoro peace process (8 P), Category:Basque Country peace process (3 P), Category:Bosnian peace process (6 P).
- Readers will get totally confused if individual peace mechanisms are categorised as elements of Category:Peace process, because that is not normally a category - it's a specific realisation of a peace process. What you have done is the equivalent of categorising city, province, constituent stategovernment, culture as elements of Category:Country. It's true that countries almost always have cities, governments and cultures, and often have provinces and constituent states; but Category:Country was deleted 11 years ago.
- Thanks. Boud (talk) 21:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- This was processed but belatedly opposed at User_talk:JJMC89. I copied the above opposition rationale from there and am reversing the move.
- I suggest that Category:Peace mechanisms (plural) would be an improvement, and allowable as C2A. – Fayenatic London 21:29, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- The term 'mechanism' is pretty vague anyway, it is not a common word used in the articles. A more appropriate category name might be Category:Peacebuilding, C2D per Peacebuilding. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- "Peacebuilding" would not be a good choice. The terminology in the general field is not well standardised, but I put a lot of effort in trying to sort this out based on WP:RS in peace process after previous editors hadn't seemed to realise that it's not enough to declare definitions of words, they have to be really adopted by sources. According to the United Nations, "peacebuilding" is the prevention of the repeat of a solved conflict, though it can also mean the preventing of an armed conflict from occurring at all. This excludes mechanisms for solving an existing conflict. "Peacebuilding" does not apply to Donbass or Libya because the conflicts are ongoing. So Category:Peacebuilding would defeat the point of listing the specific elements for preventing, solving, or preventing reccurrence of armed inter- or intrastate conflicts. The peacebuilding article is quite poor in terms of inline referencing, but the present text seems to match the UN sourced definition.
- Between Category:Peace mechanisms and Category:Peace mechanism, I'm not familiar enough with current Category guidelines to have a strong argument. A random check on Special:AllPages/Category:Hk suggests that plurals are preferred in similar cases, so Category:Peace mechanisms seems fine by me.
- There might be a better term than "peace mechanisms" for the specific elements used in peace processes, but I'm not aware of it (ordinary English such as "components of peace processes" or "elements of peace processes" would make sense, but "peace mechanisms" seems to be the most common). Some references in favour of the term include Article 9 of the Japanese constitution, water management (MSc thesis), Cornell Policy Review "peace mechanisms such as truth commissions, reparations, and memorialization", Section 2.3.1 of this Nepal peacebuilding analysis lists specific peace mechanisms.
- Boud (talk) 15:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- The term 'mechanism' is pretty vague anyway, it is not a common word used in the articles. A more appropriate category name might be Category:Peacebuilding, C2D per Peacebuilding. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- I see what you mean. Splitting between a new Category:War ending and Category:Peacebuilding would be my next proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Peacebuilding would not work here because it's an "-ing" word - it's about more synthetic (WP:RS) overviews of processes, not about particular concrete elements of them. The present elements of Category:Peacebuilding are wider topics than individual mechanisms. Many of the specific elements (mechanisms) are components both to solve existing conflicts and to prevent conflicts from occurring or recurring: e.g. arms embargoes and confidence-building measures. "War ending" is also an -ing expression, with the same problem. I don't see an objection in principle of having two sub-categories of Category:peace mechanism or Category:peace mechanisms, but it seems a bit premature to me, and I think the focus on individual things/pieces - mechanisms - will reduce the number of fuzzy categorisations. Better wait until we have more contributions/contributors before sub-categorising. Boud (talk) 20:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:44, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kinsky to Category:House of Kinsky – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose House of Kinsky redirects to Kinsky, which is the current title of the category. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion? Category:Kinsky doesnt convey anything to those unfamiliar with the topic. Rathfelder (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Now at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_August_9#Category:Austrian_noble_families. @Rathfelder: are you planning to add the two similar cases above? – Fayenatic London 09:29, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion? Category:Kinsky doesnt convey anything to those unfamiliar with the topic. Rathfelder (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose House of Kinsky redirects to Kinsky, which is the current title of the category. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin New Testament manuscripts to Category:Vetus Latina New Testament manuscripts – C2B: More precise since it directly says it relates to the Vetus Latina. Veverve (talk) 11:34, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, the mere fact that there is an article Vetus Latina does not make it a case of C2B. I am also inclined to substantive oppose in case this will be moved to full discussion as I doubt that Vetus Latina is a WP:COMMONNAME WP:DEFINING characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: there was a recent discussion of the parent & grandparent, with no consensus, at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_April_21#Category:Vetus_Latina. – Fayenatic London 21:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: "Vetus Latina" is definetly more precise than "Old Latin". Those articles relate to manuscripts of the Vetus Latina, not any Latin manuscripts of old times. Veverve (talk) 20:10, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- I agree that "old" is confusing, but in full discussion I think I might propose renaming to Category:Latin biblical manuscripts and adding Category:Vulgate manuscripts as a subcategory to it. The fact that they are written in Latin is the defining characteristic, not the fact that they are part of a set called Vetus Latina. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: "Vetus Latina" designates the translations made from the Septuagint and the New Testament into Latin, mainly before the 4th century; see its article. The Vulgate is the 4th-century translations in Latin of the Hebrew Old Testament, the New Testament, and of some books from the Septuagint; those translations were mainly done by Jerome. Therefore, it is needed to distinguish between the Vetus Latina (a specific set of translations), the Vulgate (another set of specific translations), and other Latin manuscripts, and this is one of the the purposes of my renaming proposal. Veverve (talk) 23:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- The distinction with Vulgate will still exist with Vulgate as a subcat of Latin. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- I add that the category is currently called "Old Latin" because "Old Latin" translates "Vetus Latina". You can check for yourself: all the manuscripts within this category are Vetus Latina texts. Veverve (talk) 23:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Sure, but the confusing element is that it is not written in Old Latin. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: the confusion also stems from the fact "Vetus Latina" is the common name for those translations, whereas "Old Latin" is condusing. Moreover, there would be no point in putting all the Vetus Latin New Testament manuscript in a new, broader, less precise category. Veverve (talk) 11:33, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: "Vetus Latina" is definetly more precise than "Old Latin". Those articles relate to manuscripts of the Vetus Latina, not any Latin manuscripts of old times. Veverve (talk) 20:10, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: do you still oppose? Veverve (talk) 13:09, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, the mere fact that there is an article Vetus Latina does not make it a case of C2B. I am also inclined to substantive oppose in case this will be moved to full discussion as I doubt that Vetus Latina is a WP:COMMONNAME WP:DEFINING characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Nazis in comic book fiction to Category:Comics about Nazism - C2C: Consistency with established category tree names — Preceding unsigned comment added by NeoBatfreak (talk • contribs) 01:58, 28 July 2020
- Oppose We need a full discussion as to whether we should follow the comic book convention of that of Category:Nazism in popular culture's subcats. UnitedStatesian (talk) 02:41, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:British television programmes by genre to Category:British television series by genre – C2C: per convention of Category:Television series by country and genre. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:37, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Not all the programmes in this category are series. Some are one-off. Thincat (talk) 10:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Thincat, if that is the case, then there are two options:
- Oppose Not all the programmes in this category are series. Some are one-off. Thincat (talk) 10:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- purge this category of show that are not series
- rename all the other subcats of Category:Television series by country and genre to use "shows".
- But I don't see the case for making British programming an exception. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- There shouldn't be an exception for Britain. However, articles properly categorised as programmes/programs/shows (in any country) shouldn't be improperly re-categorised as series. Another (hypothetical) suggestion: remove Category:British television programmes by genre from Category:Television series by country and genre which is, I think, the source of the problem. I now see Category:Television shows is (temporarily?) chaotic. Thincat (talk) 11:13, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Thincat, excluding Brits shows from Category:Television series by country and genre is no solution. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:21, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Your option (1) would involve a great deal of work. Some subcats contain mostly one-offs (Category:British television documentaries) other subcats contain mostly series (or entirely if the subcat naming is correct). (2) would seem to me preferable but not as a speedy because the situation has not been clear. Thincat (talk) 08:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- There shouldn't be an exception for Britain. However, articles properly categorised as programmes/programs/shows (in any country) shouldn't be improperly re-categorised as series. Another (hypothetical) suggestion: remove Category:British television programmes by genre from Category:Television series by country and genre which is, I think, the source of the problem. I now see Category:Television shows is (temporarily?) chaotic. Thincat (talk) 11:13, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion
- Category:Razakar to Category:Razakar (Pakistan) – C2D: per head article Razakar (Pakistan). The bare title Razakar is about the concept (an Arabic word which means volunteer), but Razakar (Pakistan) is a specific force which operated in East Pakistan. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: I believe this should be Category:Razakars (Pakistan). – Fayenatic London 09:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic, the category currently structured as a topic category, so no plural needed. Maybe it should become a combined set/topic category? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand this re WP:TOPICCAT. In what way is it "structured as a topic category", other than its name being singular rather than plural? How would it "become" a combined one – simply by renaming as I have suggested? – Fayenatic London 12:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Fayenatic: It's set up as a WP:TOPICCAT for the organisation called Razakar (Pakistan). If it was a set category, it would have people categories as patents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, I see – thank you. But I disagree that the organisation was called Razakar (Pakistan), even though that is its main article; in the article, the organisation is referred to either as "Razakars" or as "Razakar force". Moreover, I think the category is already functioning also as a set category. (I would probably move the article as well.) – Fayenatic London 13:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic, I have moved this to the opposed section, because I think it has moved beyond the type of straightforward issue which can be handled as a speedy, so we need a full discussion to consider it. I'll leave it you make that full nomination, so that you can make the nominator's case upfront. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, I see – thank you. But I disagree that the organisation was called Razakar (Pakistan), even though that is its main article; in the article, the organisation is referred to either as "Razakars" or as "Razakar force". Moreover, I think the category is already functioning also as a set category. (I would probably move the article as well.) – Fayenatic London 13:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Fayenatic: It's set up as a WP:TOPICCAT for the organisation called Razakar (Pakistan). If it was a set category, it would have people categories as patents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand this re WP:TOPICCAT. In what way is it "structured as a topic category", other than its name being singular rather than plural? How would it "become" a combined one – simply by renaming as I have suggested? – Fayenatic London 12:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic, the category currently structured as a topic category, so no plural needed. Maybe it should become a combined set/topic category? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: I believe this should be Category:Razakars (Pakistan). – Fayenatic London 09:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 Aug 16. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Suspense to Category:Suspense (genre) – C2D: Suspense (genre), Suspense is just the feeling. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- Justin: as Suspense (genre) redirects to Thriller (genre), doesn't this justify a speedy upmerge to Category:Thrillers, and renaming/merging of its subcats? I'm not sure that that would be best, though. The article Thriller (genre) only mentions suspense as a characteristic of thrillers, not as a sub-genre. However, I feel that Suspense#In drama might be a better target for the redirect. If that is done then I would not oppose your nomination. – Fayenatic London 22:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy C2D doesn’t apply to redirects. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, then do it per C2B. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- The discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 July 29. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, then do it per C2B. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Disestablishments in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Disestablishments in All-Palestine Protectorate - C2D: per All-Palestine Protectorate and Category:All-Palestine Protectorate. --Gonnym (talk) 10:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Establishments in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Establishments in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:History of All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:History of All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:History of All-Palestine (Gaza) by period to Category:History of All-Palestine Protectorate by period
- Category:Years of the 20th century in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Years of the 20th century in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:Decades in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Decades in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:1940s in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1940s in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:1950s in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1950s in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:Years in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Years in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:1948 in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1948 in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:1949 in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1949 in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:1956 in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1956 in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:1957 in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:1957 in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Category:Massacres in All-Palestine (Gaza) to Category:Massacres in All-Palestine Protectorate
- Oppose this batch. This is a non-consensus topic and worthy of a full discussion. For instance, I wonder if many of the categories for this short-lived puppet government may not rather be merged elsewhere rather than just renamed. Place Clichy (talk) 19:11, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- What exactly are you opposing? The categories aren't nominated for either deletion or creation (if that were a thing). It's just aligning the names with each other and the parent article and category per C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Imho this is still worth a full discussion. Whatever the target here it will be non-consensual. A full discussion will allow us to reach a consensual target. Place Clichy (talk) 22:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but I don't see how exactly this is a valid oppose. This is exactly what C2D means. If the name isn't good, it should be handled at the article level and not at the category levels. CFD should not make WP:LOCALCONSENSUS a thing. --Gonnym (talk) 22:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy: are you planning to move these categories to full CFD in order to have them merged? (because if you are not, there seems to be little reason to further delay renaming) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:37, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
- C2D allows for exceptions, and requires anyway that the target is both unambiguous and uncontroversial, neither of which are met here. Anyway, the real issue here is that what is called All-Palestinian Protectorate in the eponymous article never actually had any existence (beside its first 3 months in 1948 according to the author of most of these categories, as argued here) and that this content should probably better be located elsewhere than in what looks like a country category structure. Notably, all the chronology and (dis)establishment categories would probably better be served by referring to an expression like Egyptian rule in the Gaza Strip, or sticking to a purely geographical terminology such as Palestinian territories or Gaza Strip. They may also be purely deleted or upmerged to larger parents. Note that all these categories have actually very few articles in them. Besides the articles directly related to the Egyptian short-lived straw government (All-Palestine National Council, All-Palestine Government) and wider articles relative to the Arab-Israeli conflict and Israeli military operations, all you have is two localities (Kfar Darom and Bureij), a newspaper (Gaza Weekly Newspaper) and a football club (Shabab Rafah). This is very little content for 31 chronology and establishment categories. For the time being and until someone creates a CfD for them, a name that mentions (Gaza) is more useful to the reader than a name that does not include it, for most or all of these categories. Place Clichy (talk) 15:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- I'm sorry but I don't see how exactly this is a valid oppose. This is exactly what C2D means. If the name isn't good, it should be handled at the article level and not at the category levels. CFD should not make WP:LOCALCONSENSUS a thing. --Gonnym (talk) 22:51, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
- Imho this is still worth a full discussion. Whatever the target here it will be non-consensual. A full discussion will allow us to reach a consensual target. Place Clichy (talk) 22:40, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- What exactly are you opposing? The categories aren't nominated for either deletion or creation (if that were a thing). It's just aligning the names with each other and the parent article and category per C2D. Gonnym (talk) 21:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
- Nomination has been split in two parts: (dis)establishments categories by year are now on full CFD. The other categories as listed in this section may follow later, dependent on the outcome of the full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:30, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
- 2nd full discussion here. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:59, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- The 2nd full discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 July 27. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Television programs by director to Category:Television shows by director — C2C per convention of Category:Television shows, as set by WP:CFD/2020 May 6#Television_program(me)s. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Television programs directed by Alan Alda to Category:Television shows directed by Alan Alda
- Category:Television programs directed by Peter Avanzino to Category:Television shows directed by Peter Avanzino
- Category:Television programs directed by Jules Bass to Category:Television shows directed by Jules Bass
- Category:Television programs directed by Steve Binder to Category:Television shows directed by Steve Binder
- Category:Television programs directed by Brannon Braga to Category:Television shows directed by Brannon Braga
- Category:Television programs directed by James Burrows to Category:Television shows directed by James Burrows
- Category:Television programs directed by Marty Callner to Category:Television shows directed by Marty Callner
- Category:Television programs directed by James L. Conway to Category:Television shows directed by James L. Conway
- Category:Television programs directed by Matthew Faughnan to Category:Television shows directed by Matthew Faughnan
- Category:Television programs directed by Paul Feig to Category:Television shows directed by Paul Feig
- Category:Television programs directed by Jonathan Frakes to Category:Television shows directed by Jonathan Frakes
- Category:Television programs directed by Bruce Gowers to Category:Television shows directed by Bruce Gowers
- Category:Television programs directed by Seth Green to Category:Television shows directed by Seth Green
- Category:Television programs directed by Robert Guenette to Category:Television shows directed by Robert Guenette
- Category:Television programs directed by Jack Haley Jr. to Category:Television shows directed by Jack Haley Jr.
- Category:Television programs directed by Hamish Hamilton (director) to Category:Television shows directed by Hamish Hamilton (director)
- Category:Television programs directed by Toby Haynes to Category:Television shows directed by Toby Haynes
- Category:Television programs directed by Dwight Hemion to Category:Television shows directed by Dwight Hemion
- Category:Television programs directed by Jim Henson to Category:Television shows directed by Jim Henson
- Category:Television programs directed by Louis J. Horvitz to Category:Television shows directed by Louis J. Horvitz
- Category:Television programs directed by Sam Jaimes to Category:Television shows directed by Sam Jaimes
- Category:Television programs directed by Chuck Jones to Category:Television shows directed by Chuck Jones
- Category:Television programs directed by Ward Kimball to Category:Television shows directed by Ward Kimball
- Category:Television programs directed by Don Roy King to Category:Television shows directed by Don Roy King
- Category:Television programs directed by Sidney Lumet to Category:Television shows directed by Sidney Lumet
- Category:Television programs directed by Hamilton Luske to Category:Television shows directed by Hamilton Luske
- Category:Television programs directed by Delbert Mann to Category:Television shows directed by Delbert Mann
- Category:Television programs directed by Jeff Margolis to Category:Television shows directed by Jeff Margolis
- Category:Television programs directed by Beth McCarthy-Miller to Category:Television shows directed by Beth McCarthy-Miller
- Category:Television programs directed by Bill Melendez to Category:Television shows directed by Bill Melendez
- Category:Television programs directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan to Category:Television shows directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
- Category:Television programs directed by Don Mischer to Category:Television shows directed by Don Mischer
- Category:Television programs directed by Marty Pasetta to Category:Television shows directed by Marty Pasetta
- Category:Television programs directed by Bill Pope to Category:Television shows directed by Bill Pope
- Category:Television programs directed by Arthur Rankin Jr. to Category:Television shows directed by Arthur Rankin Jr.
- Category:Television programs directed by Phil Roman to Category:Television shows directed by Phil Roman
- Category:Television programs directed by Glenn Weiss to Category:Television shows directed by Glenn Weiss
- Category:Television programs directed by Joss Whedon to Category:Television shows directed by Joss Whedon
- Oppose this tree. It seems last year an editor changed some of these from episodes to programs and I can't find a discussion relevant to that. Since we have a parent tree for "Television episodes by" these should be changed to represent what these exactly are. As an example Category:Television programs directed by Paul Feig has only episodes. --Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Gonnym, that sounds plausible in principle, and I AGF that it's right, but I haven't checked it myself.
However, when I look at Category:Television programs by director, I see that it is a subcat of Category:Television shows, not of Category:Television episodes. That parenting could be easily fixed, but it occurs to me that there must be a non-trivial set of cases where one person has directed a whole series ... it might be best to use a more inclusive title such as Category:Television programming by director, as a subcat of Category:Television programming.
So, if it would help: how about I open a full CFD discussion on this set, offering three options: shows, episodes, programming. I have tools to make such group noms easily, so it's no biggie for me to do it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)- Sure, a CfD is probably best here. I'll note that Category:Television episodes by director had a CfD in 2011 which resulted in delete, however, it seems that the community is still adding these pages, just not under that name. --Gonnym (talk) 10:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Gonnym, that sounds plausible in principle, and I AGF that it's right, but I haven't checked it myself.
- Oppose this tree. It seems last year an editor changed some of these from episodes to programs and I can't find a discussion relevant to that. Since we have a parent tree for "Television episodes by" these should be changed to represent what these exactly are. As an example Category:Television programs directed by Paul Feig has only episodes. --Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 5#Television programs by director. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion was relisted on CFD 2020 July 17. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:19, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
- It was relisted a second time at CFD 2020 Aug 1. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Roman sites to Category:Roman archaeological sites, C2C per Category:Archaeological sites by culture and Category:Ancient archaeological sites. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:05, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Roman sites in Africa to Category:Roman archaeological sites in Europe, C2C per Category:Archaeological sites in Africa. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Roman sites in Asia to Category:Roman archaeological sites in Europe, C2C per Category:Archaeological sites in Asia. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Roman sites in Europe to Category:Roman archaeological sites in Europe, C2C per Category:Ancient archaeological sites in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy for above four. Most of the subcategories of Category:Archaeological sites by culture don't use "archaeological" (only 4 of the 26). Armbrust The Homunculus 06:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, "archeological site" implies that archeology has been or could be conducted on them, which is untrue if the site is still standing, or is only known from written sources and has never been found. Abductive (reasoning) 21:01, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- The discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 July 24. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Croatian Canadian to Category:Croatian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Bulgarian Canadian to Category:Bulgarian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:55, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Ulster-Scottish Canadian to Category:Ulster-Scottish Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Welsh Canadian to Category:Welsh Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Scottish Canadian to Category:Scottish Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Manx Canadian to Category:Manx Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:English Canadian to Category:English Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:British Canadian to Category:British Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Belgian Canadian to Category:Belgian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Armenian Canadian to Category:Armenian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:European Canadian to Category:European Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Trinidadian and Tobagonian Canadian to Category:Trinidadian and Tobagonian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Jamaican Canadian to Category:Jamaican Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Haitian Canadian to Category:Haitian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Guyanese Canadian to Category:Guyanese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:47, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Cuban Canadian to Category:Cuban Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Barbadian Canadian to Category:Barbadian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Caribbean Canadian to Category:Caribbean Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Syrian Canadian to Category:Syrian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:44, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Palestinian Canadian to Category:Palestinian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:03, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Moroccan Canadian to Category:Moroccan Canadians – C2A: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Libyan Canadian to Category:Libyan Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lebanese Canadian to Category:Lebanese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Egyptian Canadian to Category:Egyptian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Arab Canadian to Category:Arab Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Vietnamese Canadian to Category:Vietnamese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Tibetan Canadian to Category:Tibetan Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Thai Canadian to Category:Thai Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Sri Lankan Canadian to Category:Sri Lankan Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Punjabi Canadian to Category:Punjabi Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Malaysian Canadian to Category:Malaysian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Korean Canadian to Category:Korean Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Japanese Canadian to Category:Japanese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Filipino Canadian to Category:Filipino Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Taiwanese Canadian to Category:Taiwanese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Chinese Canadian to Category:Chinese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Cambodian Canadian to Category:Cambodian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Odia Canadian to Category:Odia Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Bengali Canadian to Category:Bengali Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Bangladeshi Canadian to Category:Bangladeshi Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Afghan Canadian to Category:Afghan Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:South Asian Canadian to Category:South Asian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Ethiopian Canadian to Category:Ethiopian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:South African Canadian to Category:South African Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Somali Canadian to Category:Somali Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:African Canadian to Category:African Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Asian Canadian to Category:Asian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose this batch. @1234qwer1234qwer4: There was consensus at this discussion among others that these Booian Fooian categories should instead be moved to Category:Booian Fooian society, and there is also long-standing consensus that people categories should be at Category:Fooian people of Booian descent. This structure would make things a lot clearer, as I agree that these categories are currently very poorly named. See also these two relevant discussions from last year for sparsely populated categories. Place Clichy (talk) 01:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy: Thanks for the info; would you mind creating a CfD or should I? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: I don't mind if you create them. Place Clichy (talk) 05:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- Since nothing has happened on this, I'll create the nomination. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion at Category:Croatian Canadian --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion was relisted on CFD 2020 July 27. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion at Category:Croatian Canadian --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Since nothing has happened on this, I'll create the nomination. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: I don't mind if you create them. Place Clichy (talk) 05:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy: Thanks for the info; would you mind creating a CfD or should I? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose this batch. @1234qwer1234qwer4: There was consensus at this discussion among others that these Booian Fooian categories should instead be moved to Category:Booian Fooian society, and there is also long-standing consensus that people categories should be at Category:Fooian people of Booian descent. This structure would make things a lot clearer, as I agree that these categories are currently very poorly named. See also these two relevant discussions from last year for sparsely populated categories. Place Clichy (talk) 01:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Ready for deletion
Check Category:Empty categories awaiting deletion for out of process deletions. In some cases, these will need to be nominated for discussion and the editor who emptied the category informed that they should follow the WP:CFD process.
Once the renaming has been completed, copy and paste the listing to the Ready for deletion section of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Working/Manual.