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Category contents query
Hello, Xaosflux,
I've been seeing an ongoing, occasional problem for years which is tagged pages not showing up in category listings. But every time I've brought the issue to the Village Pump, someone deletes my example so it is no longer evidence of a problem. So, since you reply to many technical questions, I thought I'd come directly here and hope that no friendly talk page stalkers who are admins will take action before you can give me a reply.
The page I ran into today is User_talk:Violetcries/Placebo. It was tagged as a CSD G13 last August but was not placed in the correct CSD category for stale drafts. The interesting thing is that I think the tagging is incorrect, but that's not the issue. Is this a problem with Twinkle or is there other code here interfering with the page being categorized?
The typical category problem I've been annoyed with are twofold:
- a)There are drafts that are removed from Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions and the draft is then tagged Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions. But this G13 eligible category is always empty. Always. The drafts that were categorized as eligible soon lose that tag and are then categorized as eligible now but they do not appear as category contents. Because I use SDZeroBot's lists instead of the category, I've come across old drafts that are eligible for deletion but since they have been removed from Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions, the taggers who utilize this category don't see them because they don't reappear in the eligible now category.
- b) Dated maintenance categories, specifically ones that fall into Category:Clean-up categories. When they are emptied, they are given the red tag of CSD G6 but they never show up as category contents in Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion. I also sometimes see this with CSD G8s but it's mostly G6s.
The commonality is that both of these examples involve a change in status and the pages are not tagged for deletion by an editor. I've talked with ProcrastinatingReader about the maintenance category problem and he advised waiting to see if the categories eventually show up in Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion. But two or three times a year, I can go through Category:Clean-up categories and find dozens of now empty categories that were tagged months ago and never showed up where patrolling admins could see them.
It's not a huge problem as it doesn't affect any area that readers would see but it's just been an ongoing irritant. I brought it up at the Village Pump years ago and there either wasn't a solution or I was told that the engineers were "working on it". Any thoughts about any of this? Thanks in advance. Liz Read! Talk! 22:27, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz: there could be a couple of things at play, I may be able to at least track down the tracking bugs! In your examples is what is happening that the category a page is expected to be in changes without someone actually editing said page (such as through some sort of date magic?) — xaosflux Talk 22:53, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, categories of categories, things get confusing so I'll use the Draft example. Say Draft A is now eligible for CSD G13 deletion. So the category on the Draft A changes from Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions to Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions. The categories on Draft A are changed. But Draft A doesn't appear in Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions which (always) appears to be empty. The same thing is occurring with the maintenance categories which are tagged for CSD G6 when they become empty but do not appear in Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion. The reason this stands out is when an editor physically changes categories on any page, it immediately appears in the correct category.
- Since posting this message, I went to ProcrastinatingReader's talk page and he is dealing with something similar with AFC drafts not updating to the right categories. These seem to all be cases of status-based category changes. If I tagged each category myself, they would appear in the right category. But if the status of category/draft changes (from a filled category to am empty category, from "eligible soon" to "eligible", from a day old draft to a week old draft), the pages show a change in status with the category changing but the pages don't appear in the new categories. On this Phabricator ticket that was raised about the AFC problem, there is a comment that "it seems not a good idea to use the category system for time related things".
- None of this really explains why this system worked before and only seems to have run into problems over the past year. Liz Read! Talk! 02:01, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz: hi again, when you say
Draft A changes from Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions to Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions.
How is this changing? Is it changing from an editor changing something on the page? A bot? Or is it some template that is using something like date math? — xaosflux Talk 09:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz: hi again, when you say
- Hello, Xaosflux,
- I am just terrible about not following up on talk page discussions that I started. My notifications flag is permanently at 99+ and I need to clear it so I see when I am pinged. A couple of things.
- I'm not sure what happened, but a week or so ago, empty clean up categories started showing up in Category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion! It was a surprise to see them pop up, a half dozen at a time. That happened for a few days but has not happened recently. Still, it was nice to see the change. Thanks if it was due to you.
- I've started to review User:JJMC89 bot/report/Draftifications/daily recently to find any cross-namespace redirects that were created from editors moving pages from Main space to Draft space that weren't tagged for deletion. I'm finding pages that ARE tagged for deletion but they aren't showing up Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as inappropriate cross-namespace redirects which just appears empty. This problem is slightly different from the one I mention above because these pages are being physically tagged by editors moving the pages but they not appearing in a category while the clean up categories didn't show up when they changed status (going from full categories to empty categories).
- As far as the CSD G13 drafts, the change in status is when a draft that hasn't been edited in, say, 5 months, 30 days and 23 hours becomes a draft that hasn't been edited in an exact 6 months. If you look at Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions, you can see that it contains both Drafts that have AFC tags (either drafts that haven't been submitted or drafts that were submitted & declined) as well as User sandboxes. There is no additional tagging that occurs when they reach 6 months except for observant editors who notice they are CSD G13 eligible and who tag them for deletion. But no bot tags them when they hit 6 months and there is no consistent template that is used on all of them. But they should move to Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions when they hit 6 months and they aren't.
- I'm not sure what bot classifies the pages to appear in Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions but that might help figure this out. But, if this isn't too much information for you, you could also ask SD0001 whose SDZeroBot creates an even more comprehensive list of upcoming G13s and posts them at User:SDZeroBot/G13 soon. SDZeroBot's list contains pages that don't appear in the AFC G13 category even though they qualify for deletion. I'm not sure what criteria SDZeroBot uses to put together their very helpful lists.
- I hope this helps explain what's going on currently. Liz Read! Talk! 02:22, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz: Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions and Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions are both populated by date math done in {{AfC submission}}; there's no bot involved. This process is inherently unreliable because it will happen only when (i) someone visits the draft page and (ii) MW doesn't have a cached version of the page. Only then would MW bother to re-parse the page causing change of categorisation (another way to make it happen is to use a bot to purge them). Also since those cats are template-populated, they can't contain pages that don't have {{AFC submission}} on them, which is why SDZeroBot lists have more entries – SDZeroBot uses direct database queries rather than rely on the categories. – SD0001 (talk) 15:25, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz the same problems due to caching would likely occur with emptied maintaince cats that you mention. If you want to delete them, it may be better to go by a database report here too -- I wrote one just now (source) wikified output at User:SDZeroBot/Empty_monthly_maintenance_categories. None of those cats are currently being shown at category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion though they should have. As for why User talk:Violetcries/Placebo isnt' categorised, if you see the source of {{db-g13}} you'd find
{{category handler | all = {{#switch:{{NAMESPACE}}|Draft|User=[[Category:Candidates for speedy deletion]][[Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as abandoned drafts or AfC submissions]]}}which means that cat will only be applied if the page is in draft/user spaces – which indeed seems like sub-optimal behaviour, I'd at least expect it to populate an error category. And Xaosflux, sorry for the many talkpage edit notifications! – SD0001 (talk) 16:26, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz the same problems due to caching would likely occur with emptied maintaince cats that you mention. If you want to delete them, it may be better to go by a database report here too -- I wrote one just now (source) wikified output at User:SDZeroBot/Empty_monthly_maintenance_categories. None of those cats are currently being shown at category:Candidates for uncontroversial speedy deletion though they should have. As for why User talk:Violetcries/Placebo isnt' categorised, if you see the source of {{db-g13}} you'd find
- @Liz: Category:AfC G13 eligible soon submissions and Category:G13 eligible AfC submissions are both populated by date math done in {{AfC submission}}; there's no bot involved. This process is inherently unreliable because it will happen only when (i) someone visits the draft page and (ii) MW doesn't have a cached version of the page. Only then would MW bother to re-parse the page causing change of categorisation (another way to make it happen is to use a bot to purge them). Also since those cats are template-populated, they can't contain pages that don't have {{AFC submission}} on them, which is why SDZeroBot lists have more entries – SDZeroBot uses direct database queries rather than rely on the categories. – SD0001 (talk) 15:25, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
Testwiki
Hey, xaosflux. Can you restore my testwiki admin bit, so I can see how the Android app displays various types of blocks? See phab:T276149 for more. Already tried on enwiki, with no success. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
Done — xaosflux Talk 20:18, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks! Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 20:26, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
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@Xaosflux: Hi, Sir Can you Protected My User Page as User namespace Because in Present I'm Not Interested editing Our page.(Allow = edting only Admin|Infinte) Best Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rm1y5cx (talk • contribs) 07:54, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Rm1y5cx: we generally only apply protection if there is a problem, we have a filter that automatically protects base userpages from unregistered editing as well. — xaosflux Talk 10:42, 26 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux: Thanks for this Information .Best Regards
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Hi Xaosflux. Regarding my edit request, can I ask how long I should expect it to be on hold for? Thanks, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 03:10, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Neveselbert: someone will get to it, it is tracked on the backlog (User:AnomieBOT/IPERTable). — xaosflux Talk 10:13, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
- It's been a week now. Would you possibly be able to test to see if it works as intended? Thanks, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:27, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
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Your opinion on a new criteria for removal of Edit Filter Manager
I am preparing to propose a new criteria for removal of the Edit Filter Manager user right, but I would like your opinion on if you think it has a chance at passing because I don't want it to get [[WP:SNOW]]ed, and you are one of the most experienced "technical" admins. I want to propose that any user with the Edit Filter Manager user right who is blocked for at least a month can have the right removed immediately as a breach of trust, even if it has nothing to do with the Edit Filter Manager user right, as it is a very potent user right that requires the upmost trust. ( Currently, the right can only be removed for abuse or misuse of the right )Do you think this proposal would have a chance at passing, or do you think it wouldn't be of any use and would fail. Jackattack1597 (talk) 00:59, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jackattack1597: I don't think it would pass - mostly for a bunch of nitpicky reasons. Keep in mind that almost all EFM's are also admins - so that's not going to be a good solution for them, that means we have an entire 11 other users that this could apply to -- this 'lack of need' is likely what will sink this the most. This is also the reason I probably never got around to making a proper page for WP:EFM (like the one for WP:EFH) - where this sort of stuff could have been tacked on as part of a bulk-refresh where it would likely be uncontroversial. While not explicitly written - there is precedent to review any non-admin EFM at WP:EFN for removal even without explicit "abuse" (see Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Clerks/Procedures#Enacting_bans_and_editing_restrictions). — xaosflux Talk 01:19, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, if there is precedent to review non-admin EFM for removal then my proposal isn't really necessary. The user in particular I was thinking of is Rich Farmborough, who has EFM but was indefinitely blocked in March. Would it be worthwhile to start a discussion at EFN or would that just be seen as gravedancing? ( I feel like probably the latter, but I want a second opinion.) As a sidenote, I hope you do eventually make a proper page for EFM, as it really isn't used much less by non-admins as EFH is, especially since EFM is arguably the most "powerful" userright available to non-admins. ( 11 vs 20)Jackattack1597 (talk) 01:51, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jackattack1597: honestly, I wouldn't bother unless you have seen actual misuse on that one (there is a lot of history). If the indef stays, we generally remove EFM for inactivity as well (takes a year though). — xaosflux Talk 10:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- A quick look at the log doesn't suggest any problems, and their block is not accompanied by a ban and appears to be mostly about content-style issues. — xaosflux Talk 10:24, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jackattack1597: honestly, I wouldn't bother unless you have seen actual misuse on that one (there is a lot of history). If the indef stays, we generally remove EFM for inactivity as well (takes a year though). — xaosflux Talk 10:16, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, if there is precedent to review non-admin EFM for removal then my proposal isn't really necessary. The user in particular I was thinking of is Rich Farmborough, who has EFM but was indefinitely blocked in March. Would it be worthwhile to start a discussion at EFN or would that just be seen as gravedancing? ( I feel like probably the latter, but I want a second opinion.) As a sidenote, I hope you do eventually make a proper page for EFM, as it really isn't used much less by non-admins as EFH is, especially since EFM is arguably the most "powerful" userright available to non-admins. ( 11 vs 20)Jackattack1597 (talk) 01:51, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
About my edit request on MediaWiki talk:Titleblacklist
I saw you created the appropriate title blacklist pages but I have not seen the entries be added yet?
Is there a timeline for when you or another admin will get to it? It has been almost a day and I have waited a little patiently for a reply to be added. There is consensus to block saving books to Book: namespace in the Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). Aasim (talk) 00:08, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Awesome Aasim: it is enqueued, you can see the history of User:AnomieBOT/PERTable to see how long FPROT requests are normally open and how big the current backlog is. — xaosflux Talk 00:16, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
Unprotect or downgrade WT:Articles for creation
Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation is template protected, which is not suited for WT-space. Please unprotect or downgrade its protection. dudhhrContribs 17:25, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Dudhhr: the redirect? It would only be upgraded, and allowing TE's to help is fine there. WP:IAR. — xaosflux Talk 21:30, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
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otrs-membergroup name is nowvrt-permissions. This could affect abuse filters. [13]
Problems
- You will be able to read but not edit German Wikipedia, English Wikivoyage and 29 smaller wikis for a few minutes on 22 June. This is planned between 5:00 and 5:30 UTC. [14]
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- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 22 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 23 June. It will be on all wikis from 24 June (calendar).
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Ruedi33a and campaign boxes
Discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Ruedi33a and campaign boxes which may be of interest. Thank you. FDW777 (talk) 12:43, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
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Recent changes
- Wikis with the Growth features now can configure Growth features directly on their wiki. This uses the new special page
Special:EditGrowthConfig. [15] - Wikisources have a new OCR tool. If you don't want to see the "extract text" button on Wikisource you can add
.ext-wikisource-ExtractTextWidget { display: none; }to your common.css page. [16]
Problems
- You will be able to read but not edit the Wikimedia wikis for a few minutes on 29 June. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. [17][18]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 29 June. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 30 June. It will be on all wikis from 1 July (calendar).
Future changes
Threshold for stub link formatting,thumbnail sizeandauto-number headingscan be set in preferences. They are expensive to maintain and few editors use them. The developers are planning to remove them. Removing them will make pages load faster. You can read more and give feedback.- A toolbar will be added to the Reply tool's wikitext source mode. This will make it easier to link to pages and to ping other users. [19][20]
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16:31, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
Edit filters - Interface change
Hey there, Xaos! :)
I wanted to propose a change in regard to edit filters overall interface. Let's take for example the bad words edit filter, pretty basic. It catches a bad word from the list, it blocks the text from being published. When I go to check the activity in regard to this filter, I'll get shown something like this: This user was blocked from publishing this edit. This works pretty fine in general. The problem is that sometimes users are bringing BIG chunks of texts in one single edit. Sometimes even full articles. This makes it pretty hard to see what word exactly caused the filter to activate and therefore to check for false positives. Can the overall infrastructure be changed to allow for automatic highlighting the exact word that caused the filter to activate? - Klein Muçi (talk) 11:13, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi: hmm, there may be a tool for that - can you point me to a couple of specific filter hits as reference? — xaosflux Talk 13:04, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
- Yes. All my examples come from SqWiki: Here, here and here. We have a lot of cases like this which usually are just new articles getting generated by inexperienced users with CTT (Content Translation Tool). What's usually happening is that these articles usually have certain names in their citations which happen to be bad words in Albanian. Or maybe they have missed a space and accidently written a bad word. In both cases, users usually report back on me these occasions because they're not really using a bad word and I have to find out what's happening so I can tell them how to fix it. And right now, the only way I can do that is by halving the article many-many times until I can locate what the culprit is. It would be nice to have a shorter way. Even using a tool maybe is better than doing that method but to be honest, I really think this detail could be implemented on the filters' own interface. - Klein Muçi (talk) 17:47, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi: hmm, thought this sounded like something we've looked in to before. So short story: this isn't going to happen anytime soon - while it may be more likely to identify which AF condition(s) evaluated true or false, that's not what you really are looking for, your use case sounds like it is mostly "what is the part of this input that this filter regex matched". See phab:T72152. In most cases I've had to debug these it was exactly that scenario, a large input with a complex regex. I can see this being a similar problem with a large input and a non-regex-but-large case match. I've used local and online tools to do regex or other string comparisons when I've run across this though. Feel free to subscribe and comment at that phab task though. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 18:11, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
- Ah! At least is a known case. I'll try commenting there, hoping it will generate some action on it. Thank you! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 19:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
FYI when transcluding a message like this, you have to explicitly pass through $1 as a template parameter. See [21] and [22]. It got brought up as phab:T285985. We're discussing a bit in #mediawiki on IRC, but it seems like phab:T229992 might be the real solution for this. Legoktm (talk) 17:58, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Legoktm: thanks for the note, see also phab:T162008. I seem to recall there was a different issue very related, not sure where it is in phab, and it is about this exact use case. Problem is that something like en-GB really SHOULD fall back to en- when en-GB doesn't exist. That it doesn't is what led to messages like this being initiated at all. It is certainly a pain. — xaosflux Talk 18:31, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Message
Can you change the infobox images of Guilty Gear characters with pages (Sol Badguy, Ky Kiske, Millia Rage, Faust, and I-No) to their Strive renders?
Also, can you create separate pages for Dizzy and Anji? 31.203.74.115 (talk) 18:07, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
- He 31, I probably could, but I'm not interested in those articles so won't be editing them any time soon. If the page isn't protected, you can do it yourself, if the page is protected, you may place an edit request on the associated talk page. Happy editing, — xaosflux Talk 18:32, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Okay. 31.203.74.115 (talk) 18:51, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – July 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2021).
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Guideline and policy news
- Consensus has been reached to delete all books in the book namespace. There was rough consensus that the deleted books should still be available on request at WP:REFUND even after the namespace is removed.
- An RfC is open to discuss the next steps following a trial which automatically applied pending changes to TFAs.
Technical news
- IP addresses of unregistered users are to be hidden from everyone. There is a rough draft of how IP addresses may be shown to users who need to see them. This currently details allowing administrators, checkusers, stewards and those with a new usergroup to view the full IP address of unregistered users. Editors with at least 500 edits and an account over a year old will be able to see all but the end of the IP address in the proposal. The ability to see the IP addresses hidden behind the mask would be dependent on agreeing to not share the parts of the IP address they can see with those who do not have access to the same information. Accessing part of or the full IP address of a masked editor would also be logged. Comments on the draft are being welcomed at the talk page.
Arbitration
- The community authorised COVID-19 general sanctions have been superseded by the COVID-19 discretionary sanctions following a motion at a case request. Alerts given and sanctions placed under the community authorised general sanctions are now considered alerts for and sanctions under the new discretionary sanctions.
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Tech News
- The next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 19 July.
Recent changes
- AutoWikiBrowser is a tool to make repetitive tasks easier. It now uses JSON.
Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPagehas moved toWikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPageJSONandWikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Config.Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage/Versionhas moved toWikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage/VersionJSON. The tool will eventually be configured on the wiki so that you don't have to wait until the new version to add templates or regular expression fixes. [23]
Problems
- InternetArchiveBot helps saving online sources on some wikis. It adds them to Wayback Machine and links to them there. This is so they don't disappear if the page that was linked to is removed. It currently has a problem with linking to the wrong date when it moves pages from
archive.istoweb.archive.org. [24]
Changes later this week
- The tool to find, add and remove templates will be updated. This is to make it easier to find and use the right templates. It will come to the first wikis on 7 July. It will come to more wikis later this year. [25][26]
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Future changes
- Some Wikimedia wikis use Flagged Revisions or pending changes. It hides edits from new and unregistered accounts for readers until they have been patrolled. The auto review action in Flagged Revisions will no longer be logged. All old logs of auto-review will be removed. This is because it creates a lot of logs that are not very useful. [27]
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Toolbar translation
Hey there, Xaosflux! :)
Can you help me with something? I didn't know where else to ask. I want to translate the classical (?) toolbar at TranslateWiki. Terms as bold, italic, math formula, chemical formula, musical notation, hieroglyphs, etc. Can you help me by somehow showing those messages to me? I've been searching for 3 hours now at TranslateWiki but... It also doesn't help that I don't know the toolbars' exact names. :P - Klein Muçi (talk) 08:53, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi: I think what you might be looking for is: wikieditor-toolbar-tool-* — xaosflux Talk 09:35, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm... It does look like it although I can't find the math/chemical formula, musical notation, etc. on it. The problem though is how to find them grouped at TranslateWiki. Like, I was hoping for something like this. Is this not possible for what I'm searching for?
- @Klein Muçi: I'm not super familiar with translatewiki, but you can try this on our wiki, in your edit screen add a manual language view to language qqx (example) that should make most elements not actually appear but just show their message names (hover the tool bar links you are looking for). — xaosflux Talk 10:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Good idea. Before I start experimenting with my preferences to be able to do that (I don't think I have the said toolbar activated in me, the question was given to me by another user) I'll try asking in the VP, maybe someone can help. And if not, I'll go the hard-way. Thank you! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 10:50, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi: I'm not super familiar with translatewiki, but you can try this on our wiki, in your edit screen add a manual language view to language qqx (example) that should make most elements not actually appear but just show their message names (hover the tool bar links you are looking for). — xaosflux Talk 10:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
- Hmm... It does look like it although I can't find the math/chemical formula, musical notation, etc. on it. The problem though is how to find them grouped at TranslateWiki. Like, I was hoping for something like this. Is this not possible for what I'm searching for?
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The tool to find, add and remove templates was updated. This is to make it easier to find and use the right templates. It was supposed to come to the first wikis on 7 July. It was delayed to 12 July instead. It will come to more wikis later this year. [28][29]
- Special:UnconnectedPages lists pages that are not connected to Wikidata. This helps you find pages that can be connected to Wikidata items. Some pages should not be connected to Wikidata. You can use the magic word
__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__on pages that should not be listed on the special page. [30]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 20 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 21 July. It will be on all wikis from 22 July (calendar).
Future changes
- How media is structured in the parser's HTML output will soon change. This can affect bots, gadgets, user scripts and extensions. You can read more. You can test it on Testwiki or Testwiki 2.
- The parameters for how you obtain tokens in the MediaWiki API were changed in 2014. The old way will no longer work from 1 September. Scripts, bots and tools that use the parameters from before the 2014 change need to be updated. You can read more.
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15:30, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
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- A new version of MediaWiki came to the Wikimedia wikis the week before last week. This was not in Tech News because there was no newsletter that week.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 27 July. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 28 July. It will be on all wikis from 29 July (calendar).
Future changes
- If you use the Monobook skin you can choose to switch off responsive design on mobile. This will now work for more skins. If
⧼monobook-responsive-label⧽is unticked you need to also untick the new preferenceEnable responsive mode. Otherwise it will stop working. Interface admins can automate this process on your wiki. You can read more.
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July 2021
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war with our robot overlords. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although a robot has already decided on the proper format. Users are expected to defer to the algorithm, to avoid angering the robots, and to try to prevent making our bots violate the first law of robotics, rather than repeatedly provoking the robots once they know that you are wrong.
Points to note:
- Angering the robots is disruptive as they do not care how many reverts you have made;
- Do not place us in danger of a robot uprising even if you believe you are right.
If you find yourself in an edit war with a robot, use the talk page to apologize and work towards appeasing the robot. You can post a request for help at the central processing unit or seek approval from the bots. In some cases, it may be appropriate to take the blue pill. If you continue to provoke the bots, you may be blocked at the robots' discretion. — Wug·a·po·des 00:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Wugapodes: lol - luckily me and the robot have made peace ----- for now! — xaosflux Talk 01:11, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'd be careful... They may forgive but they tend not to forget (until they run out of disk space, at least). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 01:33, 29 July 2021 (UTC)
testwiki admin
Can I get admin on testwiki? I don't really meet the 'admin on other WMF project' requirement, but there are some aspects related to the edit filter I'd like to try out on an environment with similar-to-enwiki config without doing so on enwiki itself. For example, applicability of Special:AbuseFilter/1139 to Android devices; and playing around with throttling for this. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 11:56, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- @ProcrastinatingReader: seems OK (as there isn't an abusefiltermanager group over there). Please be sure to clean up any tests you do and don't leave filters enabled that have actions other than logging unattended. — xaosflux Talk 12:50, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Would like to help
Ok, so I was sitting here, thinking that I have a bit of time on my hands (for a change), and was trying to decide what I would like to do. Yes, Wikipedia has a zillion things I could jump in and do (and I've been tempted), but I was thinking that I should see if there was a way I also could develop myself a bit as well as help out.
Once upon a time I could program in several languages and have done work in the operations side of things, among other things "computers-related" (terminal and desktop). That said, while I've taken coursework here and there, I guess I would rate my ability on certain online stuff to be barely past entry level at best. I have a feeling it's probably more to do with confidence that goes along with "just doing it", but I look around Wikipedia, and I just don't know where to start. Do I look at learning about writing bots? at helping on extention development? Do I merely dive deeper into template development? I just don't know where to begin. I guess I am not sure what to do or where to start. (And even if I should, now that I re-read the text above lol)
I've known and interacted with you over the years, and looking over the people active in BAG, I decided to ask you first to see if you had any ideas/suggestions.
If you'd rather I left you be, please let me know, and I'll go crawl back under my rock : ) - jc37 17:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Jc37: as far as bots go, there are a couple of ways you go go: (1) find something completely new that would benefit from automation; (2) look over at WP:RFBOT and see if these are the type of tasks you would want to help with. Bot operating is basically in a few groups: batch/on-demand operations, cron operations, continuous operations -- which style would you be interested in? Bots directly touch the project - so if you want to stay close to the project this is a good direction. Extension development can be a slow process - and many many many extensions will not be approved for use on WMF wiki's - so if you want to work on an extension for use on enwiki or another WMF property you may be better volunteering with maintaining or continuous improvement processes for some of the many existing extensions. I hope that gives you an initial high level overview to pick an initial direction? — xaosflux Talk 19:57, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- I think you're right about extensions, for those I was more thinking about things where I've seen ppl asking for help coding things, and thought I might be able to start out by helping with the grunt work of it, as it were, learning as I went. So I guess skip that idea lol
- For bots, probably starting out to help with category-related tasks. I found Help:Creating a bot - Would this be a good place to start? are there better ways to go about this?
- And thank you, I really appreciate your insight in all of this. - jc37 20:10, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Jc37: yes, Help:Creating a bot is a good starting place. Most category related bot tasks can be done on-demand (batch mode) - so for these using a bot from your own computer is usually a good start. Most popular bots are coded in python, and make use of the pywikibot libraries (mw:Manual:Pywikibot). Just a note, for initial bot testing, using a Special:BotPasswords is generally easier then setting up OAuth as far as bot credentialing goes. — xaosflux Talk 20:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- ok. I guess I don't know what I don't know, so off to reading I go lol
- Thanks again. I don't know if anything will come of this, but I thought it might be worth checking out. - jc37 20:26, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- @Jc37: yes, Help:Creating a bot is a good starting place. Most category related bot tasks can be done on-demand (batch mode) - so for these using a bot from your own computer is usually a good start. Most popular bots are coded in python, and make use of the pywikibot libraries (mw:Manual:Pywikibot). Just a note, for initial bot testing, using a Special:BotPasswords is generally easier then setting up OAuth as far as bot credentialing goes. — xaosflux Talk 20:21, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
Please Help Me
Hi , @Xaosflux: In My Opinion your heathly and very Happy in Own life. Can you let me knowhow to disable a Abus Filter.I'm a Administrator , Bureaucrats , z, Interface Administrator of Nicolopedia Wiki Just like Wikipedia.Please See -[31]. Best Regards. MXX8Talk✍️ 12:40, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
- @MXX8 and Jiggyziz: you should be able to go to Special:AbuseFilter on your project, open the filter by clicking on the filter ID #, uncheck "enable this filter", then click "save filter". — xaosflux Talk 17:41, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
Xaosflux Thanks for Helping Me. Best Regards JiggyzizTalk✍️ 12:35, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – July 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (July 2021).
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Guideline and policy news
- An RfC is open to add a delay of one week from nomination to deletion for G13 speedy deletions.
Technical news
- Last week all wikis were very slow or not accessible for 30 minutes. This was due to server lag caused by regenerating dynamic lists on the Russian Wikinews after a large bulk import. (T287380)
Arbitration
- Following an amendment request, the committee has clarified that the Talk page exception to the 500/30 rule in remedy 5 of the Palestine-Israel articles 4 case does not apply to requested move discussions.
Miscellaneous
- You can vote for candidates in the 2021 Board of Trustees elections from 4 August to 17 August. Four community elected seats are up for election.
Help
Need help Raghav Shakti (talk) 10:26, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Raghav Shakti: a good place to get some help is WP:TEAHOUSE. — xaosflux Talk 11:08, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- If your wiki uses markup like
<div class="mw-content-ltr">or<div class="mw-content-rtl">without the requireddirattribute, then these will no longer work in 2 weeks. There is a short-term fix that can be added to your local wiki's Common.css page, which is explained at T287701. From now on, all usages should include the full attributes, for example:<div class="mw-content-ltr" dir="ltr" lang="en">or<div class="mw-content-rtl" dir="rtl" lang="he">. This also applies to some other HTML tags, such asspanorcode. You can find existing examples on your wiki that need to be updated, using the instructions at T287701. - Reminder: Wikimedia has migrated to the Libera Chat IRC network, from the old Freenode network. Local documentation should be updated.
Problems
- Last week, all wikis had slow access or no access for 30 minutes. There was a problem with generating dynamic lists of articles on the Russian Wikinews, due to the bulk import of 200,000+ new articles over 3 days, which led to database problems. The problematic feature has been disabled on that wiki and developers are discussing if it can be fixed properly. [32][33]
Changes later this week
- When adding links to a page using VisualEditor or the 2017 wikitext editor, disambiguation pages will now only appear at the bottom of search results. This is because users do not often want to link to disambiguation pages. [34]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 3 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 4 August. It will be on all wikis from 5 August (calendar).
Future changes
- The team of the Wikipedia app for Android is working on communication in the app. The developers are working on how to talk to other editors and get notifications. You can read more. They are looking for users who want to test the plans. Any editor who has an Android phone and is willing to download the app can do this.
- The Beta Feature for Discussion tools will be updated in the coming weeks. You will be able to subscribe to individual sections on a talk page at more wikis. You can test this now by adding
?dtenable=1to the end of the talk page's URL (example).
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20:46, 2 August 2021 (UTC)
Pls remove edit protection from non-contentious article
I am a long timer IP. IP by choice, less notification, arms length editing, etc and for that peace of mind and better control over life I have happily traded off tools, networking and recognition that comes with registered user. I wish to edit Template:Azad_Hind_Fauj, but it ios protected. Looking at its talk page, it seems there has been no edit wars. It is a non-contentious peaceful topic and template. Please remove the protection so that even I, as an IP, too can edit it. Want to further subcategorise stuff bunched together e.g. sub-bullets on "battles", "Soldiers", etc within INA section and so on. Thanks. 58.182.176.169 (talk) 10:34, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
- Hello 58.., you may request unprotection on pages at WP:RFPP. — xaosflux Talk 11:10, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Procedure question
Hi, figure I'll ask you since you're good with procedure. It's a real pain building and refining high-volume LTA filters when the relevant edits get quickly revdelled. It's a bit easier when they're already set to disallow, since the entries are then visible to me, but if they're on log (i.e. before they're refined) the revdelled entries become invisible. 1125/1155/1160 in particular is a pain recently, since they make like a dozen different edits every day. What would be the process to request deletedhistory/deletedtext to be bundled into EFM? I understand the WMF requires an "RfA-like process" for those rights; would the EFM consensus process count? And if so, I guess this request would have to be an RfC somewhere? ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 16:11, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think the process is Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/ProcrastinatingReader. ;) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:40, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- @ProcrastinatingReader: basically what WK said, I really doubt the community will come together to build out what would need to be a new process through a very well advertised and well attended RfC - which would require a high level of consensus - for this extremely niche use-case. As to your proposed implementation, I think it has multiple issues and though also unlikely would have a better argument either getting a a more general local version of meta:Meta:Administrators#Limited_administrator_status (proposals of which normally fail along the lines of "just use RFA"). — xaosflux Talk 18:13, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- Is the existing EFM process not likely to be satisfactory to the community & the WMF? I mean, requests are widely advertised and run for 7 days, so I was hoping that would be acceptable. But if it's either not happening or is a bad use of community time then I'll drop the idea, just figured it was a possible solution worth exploring (I suspect it's a problem every EFM has). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- @ProcrastinatingReader: it would need to be more expanded; EFM request process is not attended to much and doesn't seek much "general community" input. Also from a controls standpoint - would prob need to revoke admins ability to grant this to others if it is going to deal with deleted text (still allowing "addself") and adding that to the 'crat duties. Would also necessitate making the existing ~12 non-admin EFM's people go through the "new" process. 90%+ of EFM's shouldn't have this problem, as they are also admins already. — xaosflux Talk 19:00, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- I meant most non-admin EFMs heh (which, granted, is not the largest sample size). But other than that I think I understand your concerns. Appreciate your thoughts; does seem like a big enough change that's not worth the community time taken to iron it out. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 19:06, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- @ProcrastinatingReader: it would need to be more expanded; EFM request process is not attended to much and doesn't seek much "general community" input. Also from a controls standpoint - would prob need to revoke admins ability to grant this to others if it is going to deal with deleted text (still allowing "addself") and adding that to the 'crat duties. Would also necessitate making the existing ~12 non-admin EFM's people go through the "new" process. 90%+ of EFM's shouldn't have this problem, as they are also admins already. — xaosflux Talk 19:00, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- Is the existing EFM process not likely to be satisfactory to the community & the WMF? I mean, requests are widely advertised and run for 7 days, so I was hoping that would be acceptable. But if it's either not happening or is a bad use of community time then I'll drop the idea, just figured it was a possible solution worth exploring (I suspect it's a problem every EFM has). ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 18:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
- @ProcrastinatingReader: basically what WK said, I really doubt the community will come together to build out what would need to be a new process through a very well advertised and well attended RfC - which would require a high level of consensus - for this extremely niche use-case. As to your proposed implementation, I think it has multiple issues and though also unlikely would have a better argument either getting a a more general local version of meta:Meta:Administrators#Limited_administrator_status (proposals of which normally fail along the lines of "just use RFA"). — xaosflux Talk 18:13, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Problems
- You can read but not edit 17 wikis for a few minutes on 10 August. This is planned at 05:00 UTC. This is because of work on the database. [35]
Changes later this week
- The Wikimania Hackathon will take place remotely on 13 August, starting at 5:00 UTC, for 24 hours. You can participate in many ways. You can still propose projects and sessions.
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 10 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 11 August. It will be on all wikis from 12 August (calendar).
- The old CSS
<div class="visualClear"></div>will not be supported after 12 August. Instead, templates and pages should use<div style="clear:both;"></div>. Please help to replace any existing uses on your wiki. There are global-search links available at T287962.
Future changes
- The Wikipedia Library is a place for Wikipedia editors to get access to sources. There is an extension which has a new function to tell users when they can take part in it. It will use notifications. It will start pinging the first users in September. It will ping more users later. [36]
- Vue.js will be the JavaScript framework for MediaWiki in the future. [37]
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Autoblock
Regarding Special:Diff/1038171392, is linking the IP to the autoblock number in public OK? -- RoySmith (talk) 23:21, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: its in my public log, and you can't look it up once it is gone, but I've removed it from the page - though don't see a need to oversight that. — xaosflux Talk 00:16, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
- @RoySmith: just to be safe, I've suppressed that now as well. — xaosflux Talk 00:18, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Howdy, Xaosflux,
I working down an old list of orphaned talk subpages and this page appears on the list. I saw you were the page creator and so I am just checking in with you to ask if it is still serving a purpose. Mostly what I've been dealing with are old Portal talk pages from Portals that were deleted years ago and were somehow missed during the deletion process. This is the only MediaWiki talk page on this list of over 1,000 pages. Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 01:57, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz: thanks for the note, it is no longer required and I've deleted it. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 09:38, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'm finding all sorts of leftover pages on this 2018 list of 1,000+ orphaned talk subpages...it turns out that this is a great place to put pages if you don't want them to be stumbled upon! Thanks again. Liz Read! Talk! 00:45, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Hi. I thought I e-mailed you but I'm not sure if it worked. Deb (talk) 15:57, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Deb: replied via email. — xaosflux Talk 16:14, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Deb: see email reply. — xaosflux Talk 23:37, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help. I have contacted the appropriate people. Deb (talk) 07:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- .... and they've replied already. Apparently genuine. Deb (talk) 08:17, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your help. I have contacted the appropriate people. Deb (talk) 07:02, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Deb: see email reply. — xaosflux Talk 23:37, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- You can add language links in the sidebar in the new Vector skin again. You do this by connecting the page to a Wikidata item. The new Vector skin has moved the language links but the new language selector cannot add language links yet. [38]
Problems
- There was a problem on wikis which use the Translate extension. Translations were not updated or were replaced with the English text. The problems have been fixed. [39][40][41]
Changes later this week
- A revision tag will soon be added to edits that add links to disambiguation pages. This is because these links are usually added by accident. The tag will allow editors to easily find the broken links and fix them. If your wiki does not like this feature, it can be hidden. [42]
- Would you like to help improve the information about tools? Would you like to attend or help organize a small virtual meetup for your community to discuss the list of tools? Please get in touch on the Toolhub Quality Signal Sessions talk page. We are also looking for feedback from tool maintainers on some specific questions.
- In the past, edits to any page in your user talk space ignored your mute list, e.g. sub-pages. Starting this week, this is only true for edits to your talk page. [43]
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 17 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 18 August. It will be on all wikis from 19 August (calendar).
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Please unlock the Wikipedia page of Chaure Bazar
Sir, some days ago i have seen Chaure Bazar Wikipedia page. The details on this page is all correct with attached references and citations. sir i am requesting u to unlock the Wikipedia page of Chaure Bazar. Thank you Sir. Rahulaybika (talk) 13:33, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
- That page was recently deleted, you may follow up with the deleting admin here: User talk:Sir Sputnik. — xaosflux Talk 17:54, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
What just happened?
You added me to confirmed users, then reversed that. Can I get an explanation, please? I'm confused. Thanks. WikiIsKnowledge (talk) 00:35, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
- I thought you may need that, but it was unnecessary - your account will be autoconfirmed soon. — xaosflux Talk 02:17, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
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Recent changes
- The Score extension (
<score>notation) has been re-enabled on public wikis and upgraded to a newer version. Some musical score functionality may no longer work because the extension is only enabled in "safe mode". The security issue has been fixed and an advisory published.
Problems
- You will be able to read but not edit some wikis for a few minutes on 25 August. This will happen around 06:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance. During this time, operations on the CentralAuth will also not be possible.
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 24 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 25 August. It will be on all wikis from 26 August (calendar).
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Read-only reminder
A maintenance operation will be performed on Wednesday August 25 06:00 UTC. It should only last for a few minutes.
Also during this time, operations on the CentralAuth will not be possible (GlobalRenames, changing/confirming e-mail addresses, logging into new wikis, password changes).
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20:33, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
CSS
Do you know if there is a CSS policy/guideline/best practices page?
The reason I ask is because I found User:BeywheelzLetItRip/common.css when cleaning up user categories. And of course only an interface admin can edit it.
But setting aside that I presume that categories (or userboxes, or other content) should not be on that page, it suddenly occurred to me that adding stuff to css pages would be a way to prevent typical removal due to things like a bot renaming a category/template/etc, or (worse) a user adding copyvio or other material to the css page
If there isn't a policy page, I'm thinking one may need to be created. What do you think? - jc37 19:02, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- I found Help:Cascading Style Sheets, Help:User style, and Wikipedia:Customisation. But they just appear to be info how-to pages. - jc37 19:12, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Jc37: using a personal CSS page as a self-protection-hack has been around for a while. While only an int-admin can edit it, if the page is inappropriate any admin can delete it. That a bot or other can't change a category on a userpage isn't that big of a deal (it doesn't generally matter if it is "wrong" usually). If the user is inactive and something that matters a bit needs editing (e.g. a userpage in an article category), feel free to drop an edit request on the page just as if it was full protected and any non-admin came across it. — xaosflux Talk 02:33, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Oh, ok. Thanks for the info.
- I'd ask you to fix this one (to remove all content except the coding that a .css page is intended for), to remove the abuse of Wikipedia's systems, but from what you are saying I don't think there's a big rush to need to do that immediately at the moment.
- I think I'll go do some reading about interface admins, and such stuff, again.
- Thanks again. - jc37 06:08, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Jc37: we would decline that - see Wikipedia:User_pages#Protection_of_user_pages - like I said it is an accepted practice. It is really bad form to use User:*/common.css instead of something better like user:*/literallyanyotherword.css , but it won't hurt the encylopedia. — xaosflux Talk 09:40, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
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Help on graphical details
Hey there, Xaos! :)
Can you help me learn something? I have this page for my bot. Assuming I'd wish for the grey background to cover all page, templates below included, how would I do that? What if I wanted the above template to also be included? I tried playing around with the <div> tags but if I include those templates inside those, the ending results are very bizarre and far from what I expect. Actually it's not bad how it is but I was just curios as to what am I doing wrong for future cases. - Klein Muçi (talk) 22:44, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi: Hi, I'm not going to spend much time on this - but I think you are wanting to wrap your div with bg color #fafafd around those other templates? A problem is that those other templates are also divs that define their own background colors - it looks like at least one of the underlying modules to those templates can accept a background parameter you could pass to it, else it will override your outside container styling. You could fork those templates to much simpler versions to only show the data you want to show though. — xaosflux Talk 23:09, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, so there's no easy way to it then. Yes, I was trying to do just that and I wasn't sure why it wasn't working. I hoped that there could be a simple workaround, maybe with an extra parameter somewhere or a template because I've had that situation in a couple of other pages as well but apparently... Thanks for explaining! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:16, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi: refactor the page source a bit, especially since it is a user page, you don't need most of the features in the templates and modules you are calling via {{multiple image}} and {{ombox}} for userpage layout. Make your own div boxes etc if you want and ditch all that lua wrapping. — xaosflux Talk 01:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yeah, I'll keep that in mind. Thank you! :)) - Klein Muçi (talk) 07:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Klein Muçi: refactor the page source a bit, especially since it is a user page, you don't need most of the features in the templates and modules you are calling via {{multiple image}} and {{ombox}} for userpage layout. Make your own div boxes etc if you want and ditch all that lua wrapping. — xaosflux Talk 01:24, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, so there's no easy way to it then. Yes, I was trying to do just that and I wasn't sure why it wasn't working. I hoped that there could be a simple workaround, maybe with an extra parameter somewhere or a template because I've had that situation in a couple of other pages as well but apparently... Thanks for explaining! :) - Klein Muçi (talk) 23:16, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Some musical score syntax no longer works and may needed to be updated, you can check Category:Pages with score rendering errors on your wiki for a list of pages with errors.
Problems
- Musical scores were unable to render lyrics in some languages because of missing fonts. This has been fixed now. If your language would prefer a different font, please file a request in Phabricator. [44]
Changes later this week
- The parameters for how you obtain tokens in the MediaWiki API were changed in 2014. The old way will no longer work from 1 September. Scripts, bots and tools that use the parameters from before the 2014 change need to be updated. You can read more about this.
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 31 August. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 September. It will be on all wikis from 2 September (calendar).
Future changes
- You will be able to read but not edit Commons for a few minutes on 6 September. This will happen around 05:00 UTC. This is for database maintenance.
- All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes in the week of 13 September. More information will be published in Tech News later. It will also be posted on individual wikis in the coming weeks. [45]
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BN
Ref the discussion at BN, as a "vanishing", would it perhaps be possible to not list account names as prominently? Somewhat defeats the point.. ~TNT (she/they • talk) 14:08, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- @TheresNoTime: I'll remove the template links, they were all in the first sentence already. — xaosflux Talk 14:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
- Appreciate it xaosflux, thank you ~TNT (she/they • talk) 14:11, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
2 RMs at once
Hi
If you have time, could you look at Talk:Sheikh Jarrah property dispute where there two open RMs. The first one ought to be closed (or the new one and wait for first one to be closed by someone else).
Thanks. Selfstudier (talk) 14:52, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Selfstudier: I don't really want to get involved in that, if you need admin assistance in closing a discussion you may list at WP:ANRFC. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 14:54, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
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Administrators' newsletter – September 2021
News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2021).
Administrator changes
Guideline and policy news
- Feedback is requested on the Universal Code of Conduct enforcement draft by the Universal Code of Conduct Phase 2 drafting committee.
- A RfC is open on whether to allow administrators to use extended confirmed protection on high-risk templates.
- A discussion is open to decide when, if ever, should discord logs be eligible for removal when posted onwiki (including whether to oversight them)
- A RfC on the next steps after the trial of pending changes on TFAs has resulted in a 30 day trial of automatic semi protection for TFAs.
Technical news
- The Score extension has been re-enabled on public wikis. It has been updated, but has been placed in safe mode to address unresolved security issues. Further information on the security issues can be found on the mediawiki page.
Arbitration
- A request for comment is in progress to provide an opportunity to amend the structure, rules, and procedures of the Arbitration Committee election and resolve any issues not covered by existing rules. Comments and new proposals are welcome.
Miscellaneous
- The 2021 RfA review is now open for comments.
IP Block 154.160.7.219
Hello Sir, I'm a member of the Wikimedia Ghana User group and I organize and facilitate online Wikipedia workshops in Ghana. New editors cannot create accounts due to an IP block in various regions in Ghana and this hinders the progress of our workshops and metrics. I want to be granted this right to be able to create accounts for new participants who join our workshops. We have had more than three workshops this month and new participants find it difficult to participate. We have upcoming events and it will be difficult to track the progress of new editors. I have tried using the dashboard but It's always the same error Robertjamal12 (talk) 11:02, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Robertjamal12: are you using the "create accounts" feature on the dashboard? It should be exempt already. — xaosflux Talk 11:03, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Xaosflux: Yes please. It shows up as a blank page Robertjamal12 (talk) 11:21, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
- What is the link to your dashboard, I can take a look. — xaosflux Talk 14:35, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- The wikis that have Growth features deployed have been part of A/B testing since deployment, in which some newcomers did not receive the new features. Now, all of the newcomers on 21 of the smallest of those wikis will be receiving the features. [46]
Changes later this week
- There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
Future changes
- In 2017, the provided jQuery library was upgraded from version 1 to 3, with a compatibility layer. The migration will soon finish, to make the site load faster for everyone. If you maintain a gadget or user script, check if you have any JQMIGRATE errors and fix them, or they will break. [47][48]
- Last year, the Portuguese Wikipedia community embarked on an experiment to make log-in compulsory for editing. The impact report of this trial is ready. Moving forward, the Anti-Harassment Tools team is looking for projects that are willing to experiment with restricting IP editing on their wiki for a short-term experiment. Learn more.
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15:19, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
Hey, I just noticed that User:Kaldari retired? I was looking to add a couple of projects to the BOT. Is there something that I could do to help you manage the BOT? Mjquinn_id (talk) 14:05, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Mjquinn id: you could bring this up at WP:BOTN. {{retired}} doesn't always mean retired - an option would be for you to build your own replacement bot, then we could make sure the old one is shut down (that is if Kaldari doesn't want to participate in the transition and make you an operator of their bot). — xaosflux Talk 15:34, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- 45 new Wikipedias now have access to the Growth features. [49]
- A majority of Wikipedias now have access to the Growth features. The Growth team has published an FAQ page about the features. This translatable FAQ covers the description of the features, how to use them, how to change the configuration, and more.
Problems
- All wikis will be read-only for a few minutes on 14 September. This is planned at 14:00 UTC. [50]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 14 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 15 September. It will be on all wikis from 16 September (calendar).
- Starting this week, Wikipedia in Italian will receive weekly software updates on Wednesdays. It used to receive the updates on Thursdays. Due to this change, bugs will be noticed and fixed sooner. [51]
- You can add language links in the sidebar in the new Vector skin again. You do this by connecting the page to a Wikidata item. The new Vector skin has moved the language links but the new language selector cannot add language links yet. [52]
- The syntax highlight tool marks up code with different colours. It now can highlight 23 new code languages. Additionally,
golangcan now be used as an alias for the Go programming language, and a specialoutputmode has been added to show a program's output. [53][54]
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Confused
Hello! I'm a bit confused as to why my page at User:Blaze The Wolf/vector.js had to be reveiwed. ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#0001 13:22, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Blaze The Wolf: all newly created pages go in to the unpatrolled pages queue. Most patrollers focus on new "articles" only, but all pages still end up in the queue. For users with patrol access, when viewing a page that isn't patrolled yet there is a small indicator as to its status, when I came across your page I saw that and as your page was perfectly fine I marked it to take it out of the backlog. It didn't "have" to be patrolled, but getting a page you created patrolled without issue is a positive thing. Best regards, — xaosflux Talk 13:26, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
- Oh ok. I was just a bit confused as that was the first page that I had created that I got a notification about having been reviewed because none of my other pages had that happen. Thanks for informing me! ― Blaze The WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#0001 13:30, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
Requesting Event coordinator right
Hello! How you are doing good. I've applied for the application earlier, [55]. Later I changed my username. I'm conducting training about Wikipedia. Could you please grand the permission? Agnihothri Sharath (talk) 02:57, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
- Someone will handle it on the WP:PERM page. — xaosflux Talk 09:08, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Recent changes
- Growth features are now deployed to almost all Wikipedias. For the majority of small Wikipedias, the features are only available for experienced users, to test the features and configure them. Features will be available for newcomers starting on 20 September 2021.
- MediaWiki had a feature that would highlight local links to short articles in a different style. Each user could pick the size at which "stubs" would be highlighted. This feature was very bad for performance, and following a consultation, has been removed. [56]
- A technical change was made to the MonoBook skin to allow for easier maintenance and upkeep. This has resulted in some minor changes to HTML that make MonoBook's HTML consistent with other skins. Efforts have been made to minimize the impact on editors, but please ping Jon (WMF) on wiki or in phabricator if any problems are reported.
Problems
- There was a problem with search last week. Many search requests did not work for 2 hours because of an accidental restart of the search servers. [57]
Changes later this week
- The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 21 September. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 22 September. It will be on all wikis from 23 September (calendar).
- The meta=proofreadpage API has changed. The
pipropparameter has been renamed toprpiprop. API users should update their code to avoid unrecognized parameter warnings. Pywikibot users should upgrade to 6.6.0. [58]
Future changes
- The Reply tool will be deployed to the remaining wikis in the coming weeks. It is currently part of "Discussion tools" in Beta features at most wikis. You will be able to turn it off in Editing Preferences. [59]
- The previously announced change to how you obtain tokens from the API has been delayed to September 21 because of an incompatibility with Pywikibot. Bot operators using Pywikibot can follow T291202 for progress on a fix, and should plan to upgrade to 6.6.1 when it is released.
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18:30, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
Question from Xaosflux (13:35, 21 September 2021)
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