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I have received a message saying that "Congratulations! You are now eligible for The Wikipedia Library." in my notices, what is this "Wikipedia Library" and this message seems suspicious for some reason, I haven't clicked on anything (like the notice/message has said) so can anyone tell me more about whatever this is, and should I trust it?

Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 05:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello RandomEditorAAA. The Wikipedia Library is a research group for experienced editors. See WP:WIKILIB and this for more information. Thank You! Kpddg ^(talk) 05:49, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@RandomEditorAAA, I see how it might have the "too good to be true" ring to it, but lucky for us, it's very real and an incredibly useful resource. I encourage you to sign up! (Also, courtesy ping @Samwalton9 (WMF), just for your consideration when deciding on text to use in the notification message.) {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:18, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library "totally not sus, you can deffo trust us"? Nosebagbear (talk)

Be Happy! I am desperately looking forward to this, because it's extremely hard to use newspaper sources behind pay-walls, and it's very frustrating for those of us who are serious-but-new editors that we don't have eligibility to get to this enormous amount of material that ought to be used in citations, without paying through the nose to do so, when we're not paid to do what we do. I don't mind working on Wikipedia for free (it's worth it) but I can't afford to spend cash on it! Elemimele (talk) 09:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Elemimele Not all resources are immediately accessible there. I am still waiting for my request for access to Cambridge University Press to be fulfilled. I’m desperate to read one paper that I need access to for my new article about the 19th century high-altitude scientist, Joseph Vallot. I believe there are limited tickets available for Wikipedia, so it’s simply a case of waiting my turn. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:07, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Can you not make a request at WP:REX for the paper? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:53, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

I possibly could, but I've got a long way with my article already, so there's no rush, even though I'm keen to see it. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:57, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Alright sounds good. Just wanted to make sure you knew that was an option. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 14:01, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: I've got independent access to the Cambridge Core collection which includes CUP, so I should be able to reach the article you want if you give some details here or (better) on my Talk Page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:48, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you everyone for your response, I will try to sign up today! Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 18:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Side question, I am reading the terms and conditions and I have 2 questions.

1. Regarding personal data, it says "we will retain the application data we collect from you for three years after your most recent login" (in the Data Retention and Handling section) and that I will be able to see it through my profile, this information will only be kept between Wikimedia and me right? Or will other people see it?
2. Secondly, it says in the Applying via Your Wikipedia Library Card Account section, that "approved Wikipedia Library Coordinators" will be able to see my information, but later on they are described as "approved volunteer Coordinators", what is this approval process and how am I ensured that someone didn't apply for a coordinator position just to steal personal information, or use it in someway for a personal advantage?

Sorry for asking another question, Thanks - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 18:29, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@RandomEditorAAA, I pinged Sam Walton, who manages the Wikipedia Libary, above; when he sees this, he may be able to speak to those questions. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:24, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for helping! - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 19:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Oddly, I received the same message saying I was "now eligible" for the WL recently. Yet I've had an account there for some time! For anyone who is interested, the eligibility criteria are that your account has 500+ edits; 6+ months editing; 10+ edits in the last month and No active blocks. So most if not all serious contributors here will be eligible and I encourage you to sign up at this link. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:37, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: I did as well after reverting vandalism, although I'm fairly sure I'm already signed up for it. Wonder if they just recently enabled that notification or if there was a bug that caused it to get sent out again to all eligible users. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:40, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

Based on the eligibility criteria stated by Mike Turnbull, I seem to have been eligible for a long time, odd that I have only just received the message, but I am still happy for it! Anyways, I am just waiting for a response from Mr. Walton for my other questions, hopefully this doesn't get archived. Thanks again everyone, RandomEditorAAA (talk) 16:18, 29 January 2022 (UTC)

I believe it started getting sent out to all editors at 3,000 edits or more. I got my notification immediately upon getting my 3,000th edit. It doesn't check whether you have it or not already. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 06:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi RandomEditorAAA :) Nothing nefarious going on here, just free stuff for active editors! In terms of personal data, by default when you login the only people who can see your email address or other information you input are Wikimedia Foundation staff (and even so there are only like 5 of us with access). If you file an application for certain content, then specific volunteer contributors might also be able to see this information. These volunteers are all active community members, have been vetted by us, and have signed Non-Disclosure Agreements to ensure the privacy of your data. And yes, to the broader point about this notification, we've been rolling it out in waves of decreasing edit count, including to users who were already using the library. You can track progress in T288070. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 11:09, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello Sam Walton, thank you for your helpful response, I will now make a Wikipedia Library account. Thank you! - RandomEditorAAA (talk) 17:48, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

RandomEditorAAA, Several friends ask me, "Does Wikipedia pay you for your works and contributions that you make?" I just say, "I've got instant access of over 30 libraries including the Cambridge, JSTOR, and the Edinburgh; and this is very much for a student like me." Enjoy with all of those resources, improve the encyclopedia and gain more and more knowledge. TWL is something I'm proud of, among several other things on this platform. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Can we make plot synopses from primary sources alone?

So if I understand the rule correctly, we're not allowed to summarise a primary source because this is synthesis or original research. But what about for a wiki article on a book? Are we not allowed to summarise the plot if we can't find it summarised in a secondary source? This argument has been made in an AfD discussion (imo mainly because the editors don't like the contents of the book). You'll notice that the entire "plot" section of this (1) page is also unreferenced, but I don't see anyone arguing we should remove the section, because no one has an agenda against the page. Can anyone clarify? Ficaia (talk) 19:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC) Ficaia (talk) 19:04, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia Yup, that is generally fine, see MOS:PLOTSOURCE. Like with everything else around here, sometimes discussion is needed. Wether the work meets the demands of WP:GNG etc is another matter. See also MOS:PLOTLENGTH. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:21, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Be very careful to only summarize the plot, and not make any commentary on it or make extrapolations from it. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 18:32, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have a bookmark like system?

I understand that we have the watchlist system, but I'm not looking to receive a notification every time an article I like gets favorited. I do use chrome's bookmarks but after a while those pages get messy and there's no easy way to distinguish read pages from unread ones (a small box for the reading list doesn't really do much). I was just wondering, do they have something like that? And if not, do you think they ever will? TophatGuy14 (talk) 13:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hello, TophatGuy14, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is a "reading list" facility on mobile apps, but not on the web-based version, and I don't believe there are any plans to add it. One thing you can do, if you wish, is to edit your user page (or a user subpage) to add Wikilinks to the articles you want to bookmark. --ColinFine (talk) 14:13, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll be sure to use my page for that. Honestly at first I thought the user page was only meant to serve as a short description of your Wikipedia self and was limited strictly to that, I'm glad it isn't. TophatGuy14 (talk) 14:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi, @TophatGuy14, if you don't want your reading list to be highly visible to anyone who clicks on your name, you can create a new page like User:TophatGuy14/Reading List (or whatever you'd like to call it. That's the subpage approach that Colin mentioned. It'll still be publicly accessible, but partitioned off. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 12:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Citing two sources in one footnote

I want to cite two different newspaper articles in one footnote. After I enter the info for the first article, is there a way I can submit info about the second source before the footnote is created?Pdramshaw (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC) Pdramshaw (talk) 15:46, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Pdramshaw: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can include two {{cite news}} templates in the same footnote, like this:

Here is my sentence that needs two articles in the same footnote.

Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:16, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

References

But one needs to go into Edit mode here to see how you did that. Let's see if it will work with a "nowiki."

Here is my sentence that needs two articles in the same footnote.<ref>

* {{cite news |title=Title1 |newspaper=Newspaper1}}
* {{cite news |title=Title2 |newspaper=Newspaper2}}</ref> So I need to learn how to add footnotes with coding ({{...}}}) as opposed to visual editing? I've been doing visual editing, and when I add a footnote I get a template for adding one news cite, but now way I can see to add another news cite before creating the footnote.Pdramshaw (talk) 16:53, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@Pdramshaw: I don't know if you can achieve this with the VisualEditor, but you could ask at Help talk:VisualEditor if you don't get the answer here. You could surely create two consecutive footnotes with VisualEditor. GoingBatty (talk) 22:31, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Pdramshaw. I tried a quick test with VE. If I go Cite – Manual – Basic – Insert – Template then I can add multiple Cite web, Cite book, etc. within one ref. But I have to fill out all of the citation fields by hand. :( To use the Citoid auto-lookup, you would need to switch to Source mode for least some steps. Hope that helps! ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 13:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Trying to link an article with a right-to-left title makes it invisible

I asked a question here in the teahouse earlier, and I linked to an article in Hebrew. It didn't show up.

I typed [[he:מיקמק|Mikmak]], and it shows up as "" Quick Quokka ^[talk] 22:18, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Note: I have now edited the above to remove the erroneous page language link that I described below. --ColinFine (talk) 13:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: Try typing your link with a leading colon like this: [[he:מיקמק|Mikmak]] [[:he:מיקמק|Mikmak]] and it will appear like this: Mikmak. GoingBatty (talk) 22:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

No offense, but that looks exactly like what I said.

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 22:44, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Yes, there's a typo in GoingBatty's message. Where he said [[he:מיקמק|Mikmak]], I'm sure he intended to say [[:he:מיקמק|Mikmak]]. --David Biddulph (talk) 00:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka and David Biddulph: Facepalm Oops! I wrote that you needed a "leading colon", but forgot to put it in my example! Fixed above - sorry! GoingBatty (talk) 02:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, QuickQuokka, and welcome to the Teahouse. That form of link is special, and links the page as a whole to the Hebrew page, so if you look at the list of languages in the side bar, there is currently a Hebrew link pointing to he:מיקמק instead of to an equivalent of the Teahouse (apparently there isn't an equivalent so normally there is no Hebrew link there). To get the effect you want, you must precede the link with a colon (':') which stops the parser treating it specially. So [[:he:מיקמק|Mikmak]] displays as Mikmak. Isuggest you go back and edit your previous posting (I would do it, but I want to leave it here for the moment for you to see the result). --ColinFine (talk) 22:40, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks so much!!!

I'll remember for next time!

Do I also need to do it for other sister projects? (e.g. [[:wiktionary:apple|apple]])

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 22:49, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: From what I've seen only for other language wikis, although I could be wrong. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 00:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Update a headshot?

How can I update the very old photo on my own wikipedia page (Harley Jane Kozak)? Beastinc22 (talk) 00:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Beastinc22 Welcome to the Wikipedia Teahouse. Providing you took the picture yourself (self-timer or selfie), you may simply upload a photo to Wikimedia Commons under an appropriate 'Creative Commons' licence. Ideally, you would ensure you include a category title, so that it is automatically added to c:Category:Harley Jane Kozak. It needs to be the copyright owner who releases the picture. So if a friend took the picture, as the image rights owner, it should be them who uploads it from their Wikipedia account as. legally, only they can authorise the release of an image they own the copyright to. The link to upload images is at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard

I realise not everyone want to get all nerdy doing stuff like that, so we have an alternative route for you. Go to https://relgen.toolforge.org/ where you'll find a simple, step-by-step tool you fill in which creates the text of a release email you then automatically send to our Volunteer Team from an official email account they can verify is yours. You have the option of attaching the image directly. Having done that, they will check and upload the file for you. We can then add it to the article to replace the 2005 one that's already there.

All this fuss is aimed at protecting people's rights over their own images, not to make a nuisance of ourselves for the sake of it! I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 01:01, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Beastinc22 Be aware that if you do this, you give up all rights to use of the photo for any purposes, including commercial. David notMD (talk) 02:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that's misleading, David notMD. Beastinc22, David means that you will be unable to stop other people from using the image (including changing it), not that you can't use it yourself. --ColinFine (talk) 12:37, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes. "...would surrender all rights to control use by other people..." would have been better. David notMD (talk) 12:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD: Forgive me for daring to reformat another editor's reply, but I have struck what you wrote as I am worried the OP might read that far and not any further. I think it's important that any misleading response, even if clearly an accidental one, is not left overly-visible. I'm sure you understand. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes. David notMD (talk) 15:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Question re. a return to editing

Hi! I'd asked this question once before at the help desk, but now I have the information I need to change an article. To recap, I left the project a few years ago as an administrator in good stead. Unfortunately, I was stalked by vandals across multiple sites and finally had to enlist the aid of law enforcement and the Wikimedia Foundation. Here's my present issue. I work for a company which just purchased two local radio stations and while the main article on the flagship station has been updated, the information is incorrect. I've been asked to update the information and I can cite references such as print articles. I'm more than happy to create an account, but I don't wish to be suspected of spamming the site with ads. Believe me, I know the ropes and the last thing I'd want to do is to have any work reverted and/or have a new account blocked. If I were to establish an account, I will gladly link to it here at the Teahouse to prevent any misunderstandings. Thanks and I'm looking forward to contributing once again...but no more vandal hunting! 2603:8000:8501:59B3:7852:6140:57F8:572E (talk) 02:19, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP! Just to make it easier until you create an account, what was your previous username? I'd simply prefer to you as something other than IP. Also, I don't think you should get blamed for advertising as long as you provide reliable sources. Also, are you possibly being WP:PAID or do you just have a WP:COI? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Well, if they're an employee and they've been asked by a superior to make updates, that is definitely WP:PAID. IP, you'll have to make a paid editing disclosure. To avoid the appearance of 'spamming the site with adds' just make suggestions on the associated talk page, see the instructions at {{requestedit}} - MrOllie (talk) 02:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry about that! I should have introduced myself. I started as "Lucky 6.9" and eventually started a second and final account as "PMDrive1061." I blocked access to both before I was "de-sysopped" so that I wouldn't be tempted to return. I mentioned to the owner of the station that paid editing is a no-no, that I would make the changes on my own and eventually transition back to regular editing. If, however, you'd be more comfortable if I were to state I were paid, I have no problem with that. I simply didn't want to run afoul of the COI issue and cause any misunderstandings. I'll definitely leave word on the article talk page. The article itself is KWXY. 2603:8000:8501:59B3:7852:6140:57F8:572E (talk) 03:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

A WP:EDITREQ posted to the article talk page would avoid potential issues. Also include a WP:PAID declaration of course. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Roger. I'll do that. 2603:8000:8501:59B3:94AC:4E9A:7C02:8B4A (talk) 19:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Disney+ Hotstar Launch in the Philppines

I regret that Disney+ Hostar launch in the Philippines in 2022. This is service filipino content on Disney+ Hotstar with a possible content supply agreements with studios and production companies in the country. Can Disney+ Hotstar launch in February. Let's Find Out. MaiLab Cesko (talk) 05:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@MaiLab Cesko: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about editing or using Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

draft was declined but citations are high quality and reliable

I have multiple reliable secondary sources for the notability of the article I submitted. Some of them were published profiles (in newspapers and a mainstream magazine) of the subject in question. I don't think the reviewer understood the sources. I don't see a way to contest the decline and I wonder if I can get a second opinion or message the reviewer to retract the decline.

Draft:Lucidbeaming

Can I get some support about the sources I used? Ogouogou (talk) 08:51, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ogouogou, I suppose the draft is Draft:Lucidbeaming? ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:00, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

TheAafi, Yes the draft is the draft is Draft:Lucidbeaming. My sources include a printed profile in a mainstream culture magazine, printed newspaper article, links from independent music site and radio stations, links from the cultural offices of government websites that have specific references to the article subject, and well-known art galleries with information pages that directly support text in the body of the article. - --Ogouogou (talk) 09:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ogouogou, In this case, the best is to ask Vinegarymass911 who declined the draft, at their talk page User talk:Vinegarymass911. They'd tell you what make them to decline the draft and might suggest you certain ideas to work with on the draft. Regards ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:23, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

TheAafi, I did ask the user. What are my options if they don't respond? --Ogouogou (talk) 09:29, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ogouogou, Give them at least 24 hours to respond. You may otherwise ask at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk as indicated on the decline message. ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 09:32, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Lucidbeaming seems to be about a "project" by a non-notable artist. I've checked the first eight sources cited; none of them helps to establish that Curry or his project is notable. Ogouogou, which four of the sources cited do you believe do most to establish that either Curry or the project is notable? Maproom (talk) 13:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

National heir and 10th generational grandson of Francis Cooke

i am the National heir and 10th generational grandson of Francis Cooke , Naemasket Hills cemetery , Middleborough, in the Tomson family plots, is intermed, Marguerite May Thompson, daughter of Minor Wm.Thompson II, list MInor Sr.1857-1931..in the genology of John Tomson 1622 Miner descendant, by Samuel Hutchinson, Charles Hutgchinson Thompson, Ingatius Thompson. you find all mygrand fathers . tomson, as John i, John ll, Thomas, Francis , Ruele, Marsten, Minor Wm. l, father  Gorjamax (talk) 09:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gorjamax Welcome to the Teahouse, where we solve editing problems for people. Thank you for sharing this information. I see you added it to the Family section at Francis Cooke, and that it was removed. I presume you want to know why?

Because Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a family history site, we don’t need or want to know about non-notable and distant descendants- or this site would become rapidly bloated with unverifiable information. Just be proud of knowing you family tree, and best wishes from us all. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:55, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

what can i do as a user

 Noora.darwish (talk) 09:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Noora.darwish Welcome to the Teahouse. We always say to new users to start slowly by doing small things first. If you click on your Homepage Tab, you should see suggestions of articles that need fixing. Skim through the articles until you find a task that interests you. Alternatively try looking at articles about things near to where you live and look fir any errors or gaps you can fill. Every new factual statement needs to be supported with a citation- do not just add stuff that you personally happen to know. See WP:INTRODUCTION to guide you through the learning experience. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 09:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Homepage Tab? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: WP:Growth Team features#Newcomer homepage. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

That's what I needed to know. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Yes! Every new account now has this helpful feature enabled by default. As hosts, we do need to be aware of it. It’s quite clever. Existing users can enable it by clicking the Show homepage button at the bottom of the first tab in the Preferences. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

This recurring "eye of the beholder" thing could be a good topic for an essay. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

...so now if I put a welcome message on someones talkpage, I'm their "mentor"? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång, no! ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 10:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I strongly suspect that most newcomers have absolutely no idea that there is a newcomer's welcome page, or how to turn it on. Wikipedia's preference page is quite complicated, with oodles of valuable options; a lot of people who are more interested in articles than settings probably won't bother looking at it, on the principle that defaults-are-generally-good. I had no idea it was there, despite having nearly a year to find it; thank you for pointing it out! Elemimele (talk) 10:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Ooh, I've got a mentor. How did that happen?? Elemimele (talk) 10:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I wonder that too. Perhaps there's a list somewhere they volunteered on. Checking more closely, my mentor is not the editor who welcomed me in 2009, but an active admin. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

mw:Growth/Personalized first day/Newcomer homepage#Mentorship module. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:40, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Yup. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:45, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Per what NM said, they're nowadays (whenever those began) enabled by default, so should be possible to find. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:49, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Good. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:29, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

query

Is digit.in Digit (magazine) a user generated content or can add information as a reliable source? ... २ तकरपेप्सी _talk 10:58, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

२ तकर पेप्सी, This website/magazine has a group of editors who write for it. That is to say, the content isn't user generated. For its reliability, you should enquire at WP:RSN ─ The Aafī ^(talk) 11:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

make a template stop collapsing

If there are so many templates on a page, the template collapses. How do I make the template not collapse? What coding? Quiet2 (talk) 11:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC) Quiet2 (talk) 11:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Quiet2 It would really help if you would link to the page you're having problems with, please. Thanks. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:55, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Quiet2: Welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to what Nick Moyes said, do you mean that the templates are only displaying as hyperlinks? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_PBHistory#Further_reading the {{Template:Central Intelligence Agency} is the only template on this page. It automatically is open (uncollapsed).

On https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Intelligence_Agency#External_links the {{Template:Central Intelligence Agency} is closed (collapsed) because there are 3 or more templates.

On one of these CIA operation pages, I want to stop the template from collapsing, because currently there are 3 templates on this operation page.

I dont readily remember which CIA operation it is.

Clear as mud? 😮 Quiet2 (talk) 21:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Quiet2 "Clear as mud" was my father's favourite phrase. Very apt here, I must say!

The templates you're referring to at the very bottom of the page are known as navboxes, and are designed to help users navigate their way to related topics. I think they're usually closed (collapsed) by default - especially the big, fat ones - and require the user to open (show) them. If I understand you correctly, you want to force them open at all times? Just for yourself, or for everyone? If the latter, I'd say that was not OK, especially for the larger navboxes. If the former, I'd suggest this might need some special script to do it for you on every page you visit. But each template does have its own state= command (collapsed/uncollapsed). So these could be switched, but I'd not advice that on the CIA page you linked to as they're far too big to be presented in their uncollapsed state. In contrast, article content shown in collapsible tables should always be shown uncollapsed by default, and simply give the reader the chance to hide (collapse) the table if they don't want all that expanded content to get in the way. You should probably read more in the documentation associated with each navbox type. See WP:Navigation template, {{Navbox}} and {{Navbox with collapsible groups}}.

Is that as clear as solidified mud, or more like a gently-flowing muddy slurry dripping down the river bank to mix with clear-running waters? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Nick - this is true! Quiet2 (talk) 07:41, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes Nick - clearer and cleaerer! how would I go about creating this? on one page, let say https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Quiet2/sandbox I want to change it on 1 of the operations. that is all Quiet2 (talk) 11:10, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

My Article is up for Deletion :(

Hey Guys,

My one article, BerriBlue, is up for deletion and I'm not sure whether I'm going about it in the right way. I added some comments to the deletion page. I'd prefer to know what changes need to be made so I can keep this one.

They also mention that I only created that one article so they thought it was suspicious. Fair enough! I made it ages ago, intending to do some more, but never got around to it. It's a good reminder and a kick to do the other ones I had drafts of, but I'm worried whether that will help or not, or will they all just get deleted?

Any advice is really appreciated. Wil57 (talk) 11:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wil57: The first thing I see in the deletion discussion page is that the article fails WP:NARTIST. Severestorm28 12:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

How do I add an image as part of a hyperlink?

How do I add images to links?

I'm trying to make my user page less barebones, and more attractive, so I want to add

[[User Talk:QuickQuokka| [[File:Gnome User Speech.svg]] Talk]] [[Special:EmailUser/QuickQuokka| [[File:Mail-closed.svg]] Email]]

to the top of my page, but it shows up as:

[[User Talk:QuickQuokka| [[Special:EmailUser/QuickQuokka|

How do I add an image as part of a hyperlink? Quick Quokka ^[talk] 11:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I believe this is what you are looking for. [[File:Gnome User Speech.svg|50x50px|link=User talk:QuickQuokka|alt=Talk]] And this one [[File:Mail-closed.svg|50x50px|link=Special:EmailUser/QuickQuokka|Email]] Hope this helps! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 18:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Pinging you @QuickQuokka: ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:06, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Thank you so much, but this isn't exactly what I'm looking for.

I want to have both an image and text next to each other, and for both of them to link to the page I want. I don't want just the image.

But I think your answer will be helpful to me in the future!

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 21:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: I think I have figured out how to do it. Do you want talk to be to the right of the image or below it. I figured out how to do it beside it. [[File:Gnome User Speech.svg|50x50px|link=User talk:QuickQuokka|alt=Talk]] [[User talk:QuickQuokka|talk]] and [[File:Mail-closed.svg|50x50px|link=Special:EmailUser/QuickQuokka|Email]] [[Special:EmailUser/QuickQuokka|Email]] that produces this

talk

and this

Email

― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 01:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18:

TYSM!!!

This is exactly what I need!

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 08:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

No problem glad I could help! ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 12:54, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Company's page on Wkipedia

I need to make my company's page on Wikipedia. Can you please guide me through all the baby steps. Thank you. Wasif98 (talk) 11:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Wasif98 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you must make a formal declaration as a paid editor, please click on and read WP:PAID for instructions. You should also read about conflict of interest.

I'm afraid that you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is not a place for companies to tell the world about themselves, it is an encyclopedia. Wikipedia does not have "company pages", it has articles about companies. Those articles are typically written by independent editors, who take note of a company in independent reliable sources and choose on their own to write about it. An article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company says about itself, but in what others completely unconnected with the company choose on their own to say about it. This cannot be based on press releases, the company website, staff interviews, announcements of business activities, brief mentions, or other primary sources. You would need to set aside everything you know about your company and only write based on the content of independent sources- that is usually very difficult for company representatives to do. However, if you think that you can, you may visit Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft.

Writing a new Wikipedia article is the hardest task to perform on Wikipedia, even without a conflict of interest- it's even harder when you have one. We usually recommend that new users first gain experience and knowledge by editing existing articles first, and also using the new user tutorial. 331dot (talk) 11:46, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Wasif98: Well, if it's your own company it's a conflict of interest.

Here are the rules for editing an article if it's a conflict of interest

If you're sure you want to create an article, even though you have a conflict of interest, here are some tips on how to make an article.

Quick Quokka ^[talk] 11:49, 1idebar for the Teahouse.

The Mikmak article is linked as the Hebrew version of the Teahouse.

Sorry for posting this again, again. Last time I forgot to put in the content of the question, and the time before that I forgot to add the subject of the question.

For some reason Mikmak is linked in the "Languages" section of the sidebar for the Teahouse.

On Wikidata, it doesn't show Mikmak linked here.

On the Mikmak page in Hebrew, it doesn't show the Teahouse linked there. Quick Quokka ^[talk] 12:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@QuickQuokka: is it gone now? An earlier question had link to Mikmak as an old style interwikilink instead of an inline link (with a leading colon). I added the missing colon to the link. MKFI (talk) 13:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

QuickQuokka, I explained to you above how you had accidentally done this, and how to fix it, and I added that I could fix it but was leaving it so that you could see the effect and fix it yourself. I have now removed the offending link from your previous post. --ColinFine (talk) 13:18, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

DietPi wiki article help

Good morning. I have been asked to help get the DietPi wiki page published. I have a limited amount of prior information, largely the history at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DietPi I am wondering what the requirements for valid citations are from the actual software developers. I am in contact with them, and as far as I can tell the citations in the rejected draft are from DietPi. Please forgive my newby ignorance. Dherkes (talk) 13:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Does "asked to help" mean paid?

STATUS: Declined four times and resubmitted. Yes, many of the refs are to the company website or somehow connected, and need to be removed. Are there at least three references which are ABOUT the company? David notMD (talk) 13:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Dherkes, Thank you for your candor. Your reward is please review WP:COI and WP:PAID. Then head over to guide to your first article and take a look at WP:GNG, WP:N and WP:RS.

To summarize all those links, certain disclosures are required when you have a relationship with an article subject and that the best way to get an article published is to have multiple independent reliable secondary sources discuss the subject. Wikipedia cares very little about what a subject has to say about itself and any publications from the subject or affiliates will not count towards notability, which determines if a page will be published. The rule of WP:THREE is a good start for any articleSlywriter (talk) 13:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Dherkes, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have been asked to help get Draft:DietPi published, then you certainly have a conflict of interest, and if this is in any way part of your job, then you are a paid editor. These do not prevent you working on the draft, but you need to be aware of the restrictions, and you should make appropriate declarations. (See the links I have provided). Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. So unless they can direct you to further independent sources, the developers have nothing to contribute to a Wikipedia article about their work. Please see WP:NSOFTWARE and WP:REFB. --ColinFine (talk) 13:27, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Copyright

Hi, the source says that He did his M.Sc. Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from the Norwegian University of Engineering & Technology, Norway in 1995 with a full scholarship from the Norwegian government. And I want to write he completed his M.Sc. Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in 1995 along a full scholarship from the Norwegian government. Is it right? Thanks. Dawnpenguin (talk) 13:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Dawnpenguin: Welcome to the Teahouse! You didn't tell us who "he" is or what the source is, but in general you can add this type of information to an article or draft if the source is reliable. GoingBatty (talk) 14:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

GoingBatty, I'm telling about Md Mahbubur Rahman. I'm writing an article about him. The source is [1]. I want to non-copyright the line I've mentioned in the question. The source says, "He did his M.Sc. Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from the Norwegian University of Engineering & Technology, Norway in 1995 with a full scholarship from the Norwegian government." And I've converted it to, "He completed his M.Sc. Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU) in 1995 along a full scholarship from the Norwegian government." Is my converted text non-copyrighted? It is my question. Although, I think the question is different. However, thanks. Dawnpenguin (talk) 14:36, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Dawnpenguin: Looks like that's a report of a BPDB press release, so it won't help you with notability. I'm not a copyright expert, but the point of publishing a press release is to have other organizations report the information. You could paraphrase the information more, such as "In 1995, he completed his Master of Science in Engineering (Hydro-Power) degree from Norwegian University of Science and Technology (NTNU), having received a full scholarship from the Norwegian government." GoingBatty (talk) 14:54, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Should this article be draftified?

It's incomplete and lacks citations. Excellenc1 (talk) 13:38, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 Good spot! I have moved it to Draftspace. I wouldn't have done so had it not referred to the 2021 election being held in 2015 and delayed because of the pandemic - all seeming gobbledegook, and no ability to verify anything with going to French Wikipedia and speaking French. So I'm sure its creator, Moondragon21, will want to address these shortcomings before returning it to mainspace. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: It appears that the article has been draftified while you were still trying to make an edit. A history merge from Draft:2021 French departmental elections to 2021 French departmental elections is thus needed. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 14:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@GeoffreyT2000: The article is now merged to the draft, not sure if I did it right. Excellenc1 (talk) 16:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Publishing question

 Mschulz75 (talk) 14:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC) Why Can't any of My articles get published and Can you help?

@Mschulz75 Welcome to the Teahouse - the place where we help people understand how best to edit this free encyclopaedia. The only article I can see that you've written is at Draft:Trademarks, Patents, and Copyrights. We already have articles on these topics, and what you did write is more of a student essay than an encyclopaedic article. I'm afraid we don't accept that sort of content. Even if you had based it upon Reliable Sources it would still not be quite the right fit here. I'm really sorry to disappoint you. But there are lots of other things you can still do to contribute here - it isn't all about adding new articles. In fact there are 6.4 million+ articles that you could look at - perhaps making small corrections and updates before moving on to add new content, supported by good quality references. See Wikipedia:Community portal for more help and ideas. Regards. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:20, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

UK rehabilitation of offenders act

I was about to put an entry into a well-known boxer's Wikipedia about an assault conviction then realised it might not be there at present because of the UK's Rehabilitation of Offenders Act 1974. I've checked a couple of other actors who I know from older reportage have what are called 'spent' convictions and see they are not in their Wikipedia articles either. This seems fair enough, and there are legal reporting restrictions on spent convictions in the UK, but I wonder if that is a Wikipedia policy? On reflection, I might not put the spent convictions in anyway, but it'd be interesting and useful for the future to have a thought on the matter from someone more experienced. All the best Emmentalist (talk) 14:14, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Emmentalist. It's not part of policy, and most legal things are related to US law. The ROA article actually discusses the different UK and US positions in the 'libel' section (this is not legal advice). It also has to be said that on Wikipedia as in real life, the US has an unforgiving fixation with words such as 'felon' which UK articles do not. However two policies do spring to mind across the board: WP:BLP and WP:DUE, which basically say that it depends on context and should be proportionate (as well as impeccably sourced). In a lot of cases, minor convictions, or lists of convictions, are going to be disproportionate. For a boxer and an assault conviction? I couldn't say. -- ^(talk) 22:09, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much,zzuuzz. I've had a read of those references. I think it's probably best to go with common sense and proportion, as those policies and you suggest. In this case, I was looking at a boxer who'd been cleared of a serious offence and noticed that a minor actual one isn't mentioned. I think it's best left out; it' not pertinent to anything in any case. Thanks again, and all the best, Emmentalist (talk) 12:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

i want to add some wonderfully true actual stories about arnost lustig who took 4 semester of film studies at american university in the early 70's - can somebody help me with this?

if so write me back at [redacted]  108.48.0.82 (talk) 14:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. Have those factual stories been properly published anywhere? If not, we cannot accept personal memories, anecdotes, or content from personal websites etc. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:25, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

If you have published independent reliable sources for these stories, you can ask for assistance at the article's talk page: Talk:Arnošt Lustig. Note that many Wikipedia editors prefer to have Wikipedia-related discussion on Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 16:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

New Draft article

I'm working on new article draft and I'd like to make sure I'm doing it write before doing more work. References are not there yet but I'm working on them SULNOUR (talk) 15:26, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Abdulahad AbdulNour; @SULNOUR: it appears you've done everything fine so far, however I would suggest writing the article as you get citations. I learned that the hard way, I had attempted to write a gameplay section at SnowRunner and because I wanted to add the info before I got refs, it made it harder for me to find refs for it. I corrected that mistake when I wrote Splatoon 3, I created a list of references to use for the article first, and then took info from them (while putting it in my own words so I dont have a WP:COPYVIO) and put it into the article while referencing those refs. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, SULNOUR. Every single word you write before you have found your sources is at risk of having to be thrown away if the reliable independent sources don't support it. --ColinFine (talk) 15:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

How to cite a newspaper article I found in a book?

I would like to cite an article from the St. Augustine Weekly News (17 January 1889) that appears on page 5 of a book called Out of the Shadows but I'm not sure how to properly format the citation. Can anyone help with this? If examples from wiki pages were included that would be very helpful. Thanks! Trillkat (talk) 15:35, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trillkat: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at the URL you provided, it doesn't seem to mention the title of the newspaper article. Therefore, I suggest you WP:SAYWHEREYOUREADIT and cite the book. GoingBatty (talk) 16:40, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty:Would something like this work:

An article from the St. Augustine Weekly News puts it this way:

The colored employees of the Hotel Ponce de Leon will play a game today at the fort grounds with a picked nine from the Alcazar. As both teams possess some of the best colored baseball talent in the United States [,] being largely composed of the famous Cuban Giants, the game is likely to be an interesting one.

Thanks for your response! Trillkat (talk) 17:02, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Trillkat: Sure! You could even write "An 1889 article..." if that helps explain the context. GoingBatty (talk) 17:13, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Got it, thanks again! Trillkat (talk) 17:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

References

Referring to a person by last name

Hi, all. I was revising a biographical article and I noticed that it consistently referred to her by her first name whereas all of the other biographical articles I've seen referred to the subject by their last name, or if multiple people with the same last name were discussed, as first initial and then last name. I would like to revise it to reflect the standard format, but wanted to make sure there wasn't something I'm missing. Paridae5000 (talk) 16:04, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

You'll find advice at MOS:LASTNAME. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:22, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Paridae5000 Yes, the surname is generally preferred so I would go ahead and change it. The policy is at MOS:SURNAME.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 16:23, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Okay, great. Thanks! Paridae5000 (talk) 18:48, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

How to change title

I dont know how to change the title Daddy 1985 (talk) 16:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Daddy 1985 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Changing the title of an article requires a page move. This can be requested at Requested Moves, but if you expect that your move would be at all controversial, you should first obtain a consensus on the article talk page, in a discussion with other editors. 331dot (talk) 16:16, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Lyrics, sources, copy-pasting

Hello all,

I've been working on a draft for a Soviet folk song. The song was illicit, underground, never published anywhere. Soviet copyright law starts in effect with the creation of a work, though under Soviet copyright law in either the 1925 or 1928 laws it would now be out of copyright (the song's date is not known exactly but thought to be from the late 20s). Soviet Copyright law from this period also guaranteed the right to translation.

If you look at The Song of the Volga Boatmen, a Russian folk song with no recorded author, the WP article reproduces the lyrics in full, along with a transliteration and two English translations. The lyrics section cites no sources for the original, the transliteration, or either translation; as such, all of those are either copy-pasted from some source and not cited or (it seems to me) constitute original research. I'm not very familiar with WP's translation policy, particularly of works in the public domain.

My question is thus, how can I include the lyrics of the song I'm writing about? I have in my possession the seminal source about Soviet popular music, which features the Russian lyrics and the translation. I'd like to include both and cite that source. However, doing so would be copy-pasting, which is against policy. If I instead include just the Russian lyrics and do my own translation, would that not amount to original research? If I include the Russian lyrics, would I not have to cite them? Would it be best to just not include the lyrics at all? The Russian version of the article I'm writing features lyrics in a lyrics section and cites a source for those lyrics; however, they seem to be copy-pasted from that source. The German version of that article does not feature lyrics.

Apologies if I made any incorrect assumptions; I'm still fairly new to WP. Lkb335 (talk) 17:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

adding links to pages in other languages

Hello - I tried to add a link to this page https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Owen on this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Owen and vice versa, but each time I get the notice that the respective page could not be found. What do I do wrong? Thanks. Heinzelcheese (talk) 17:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! This should work: [[id:Sri Owen]]. Hope this helps! —GMX^{(on the go!)} 17:44, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Heinzelcheese: There's already a relationship between these articles at Wikidata, so readers at the English Wikipedia can go to the Sri Owen article, go to the "Languages" section of the lefthand toolbar, and click the "Bahasa Indonesia" link to get to id:Sri Owen. You shouldn't add any links to id:Sri Owen within the English Wikipedia Sri Owen article. GoingBatty (talk) 19:47, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Salazar v. Ramah Navajo Chapter

The Wikipedia information Ramah Chapter

The Ramah Navajo Chapter was represented by Chief Class Counsel Michael P. Gross and Co-Class Counsel C. Bryant Rogers. Carter G. Phillips argued on their behalf that this was a simple contract case to which the Ferris doctrine applied.2603:3000:E2C:E000:C3F:A42D:5068:7B20 (talk) 17:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC) 2603:3000:E2C:E000:C3F:A42D:5068:7B20 (talk) 17:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you have a reliable independent source WP:RS that verifies the information you suggest here then you can make this suggestion at the articles talk page (Talk:Salazar v. Ramah Navajo Chapter) or make the edits yourself. :) --ARoseWolf 17:50, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

is the Giampaolo Group notable

 2605:8D80:621:C2E6:59FD:4DCF:1A30:D8D0 (talk) 18:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello! I think you're talking about this company? If so, I don't think that they are particularly notable - there are some news results, but most of them appear to be passing mentions. If you can find 3 reliable sources that go in-depth about the company, feel free to make a draft and then submit it at Wikipedia:Articles for Creation. Wgullyn (talk) 19:11, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Help with Redirect

Hi everyone, I have made a redirect to this article Wikipedia:Gifty Oware-Mensah to Gifty Oware-Mensah but I made a mistake in my initial redirect, instead of Article redirect I made it wikipedia redirect. It look different as it should when someone want to view, so a kind gesture of someone work on it would be pretty good. Thanks.Jwale2 (talk) 18:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Jwale2: If you need help on how to make a redirect please read WP:REDIRECT. Hope this helps. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:03, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Also it looks like the accidental redirect you made is going to be speedily deleted because someone noticed the accident so you are going to be fine. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:05, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@PorkchopGMX (on the go) requested a speedy deletion of Wikipedia:Gifty Oware-Mensah on the grounds it was obviously done in error which is confirmed by Jwale2. If we can help you with anything else @Jwale2 please let us know. Happy Editing! --ARoseWolf 19:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I think they wanted the erroneous redirect (Wikipedia:Gifty Oware-Mensah) deleted. If so (@Jwale2:), I've already tagged it for speedy deletion, and an admin will delete it shortly. Hope this helps. —GMX^{(on the go!)} 19:08, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18:, @ARoseWolf:, @PorkchopGMX:, thank you guys for the quick response.Jwale2 (talk) 19:34, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

No problem @Jwale2: ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia’s policy on using a quote that contains a curse

If I’m quoting a police record in which someone curses and it is important enough for me to add. How should I format it? Put in the first letter and than put astrics or hashtags for the rest of the letters (_*** or _###)? Or should I not censor it whatsoever? Just to make it clear, it is the quote from the man is alleged albeit taken from a “police source”. Megabits13 (talk) 19:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Megabits13 Megabits13 (talk) 19:28, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Megabits13 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm first wondering what the need to quote a police record is, and if it is available to the general public. Regardless, Wikipedia is not censored. 331dot (talk) 19:30, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I would urge you to read WP:BLPCRIME. 331dot (talk) 19:33, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

The topic is Jacobi medical center’s recent shooting and the quote explains the shooter’s motive Megabits13 (talk) 19:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)Megabits13

Russ Whitney

Russ Whitney Hello, I was trying to find a webpage about Russ Whitney but nothing has come up. I've heard controversial statements about him, apparently a successful entrepreneur who used a lot of get rich quick schemes. Is there any reason that no wiki page or almost any page can be found about him other than a NY Time article?

Thanks! 158.106.205.2 (talk) 19:41, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi! It doesn't look like there are many news sources on that person. If you can find at least 3 in-depth, reliable sources on them, you can write a draft article and submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Cheers! Wgullyn (talk) 19:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

I will also add that if you are to creat an article on them I would suggest reading Help:your first article and WP:GNG (to ensure it passes the notability guidelines). ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 19:57, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse! Since you cannot find multiple independent reliable sources about Whitney, which would be necessary to demonstrate how Whitney would meet Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion - called "notability", that could be why no one has created a Wikipedia article about him. GoingBatty (talk) 19:53, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

How to add talukas and district in this list ...

Category:Lists of villages in Maharashtra have list about some talukas but many districts and talukas have no mention on this page. I suggest you to add list for Mumbai, Jalgaon, Pune, Nashik etc districts in it. Success think (talk) 20:39, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Success think: Welcome to the Teahouse! You could try making the suggestion at Wikipedia:Requested articles or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Maharashtra. GoingBatty (talk) 20:52, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Success think, this is not the first time that you have asked people why such-and-such doesn't exist, or have suggested that they make it. (See for example "Why is there no portals about Indian states?", above.) Some people are here in the expectation/hope of making money from editing. Your suggestions and requests won't tempt them. But the great majority of us are unpaid volunteers. Anything that we can do, you can do too; so there's usually little point in suggesting that we should do something: instead, consider doing it yourself. Yes, we may be more experienced than you are; and before you embark on this or that, you're welcome to ask whether doing it would be a good idea. -- Hoary (talk) 23:37, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

@Hoary:, Ok I'll not ask again.Success think (talk) 06:11, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

New article help: Henry Reyes aka PhilmyPortraits

Hey, I was wondering if anyone would like to give an unbiased, informative, constructive interview with the artist known as Henry Reyes, aka PhilmyPortraits. I've been in contact with him in several informal scenarios, and his philosophies and policies are interesting, to say the least. He's beginning to work on NFTs, and I think it would be in the best interest of his audience to know the artist behind the works.

He's a bit terse and elusive, so any information that can be gathered about his individual is vital. For anyone interested, I'll be willing to share notes on the artist's professional life. I've also asked permission to publish an article on him, for valuable informative points he makes. Watsoncreativemedia (talk) 22:20, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Watsoncreativemedia Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please see your user talk page for important information about your username and conflict of interest.

This isn't really the forum to solicit an interview with who I presume is your client. Interviews are primary sources and do not establish notability as Wikipedia defines it for artists. Privately held notes or other information is also not acceptable; it must be in a published, publicly available independent reliable source. An article would need to summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about Mr. Reyes. His permission is not required for there to be an article about him on Wikipedia; articles are typically written by independent editors without any involvement from the subject. Mr. Reyes may wish to read this essay about why an article about him might not necessarily be a good thing. 331dot (talk) 22:31, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

Watsoncreativemedia, Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

So, if I write my article to a reliable news source, then get someone else to reference the article, that would work, right? And I don't get to edit the wiki?

He already has articles out there about him, I could reference those easily. I also know folks who know nothing about the subject, and they wouldn't be paid to do so. It's just easier to get information straight from the horse, so i thought that would be the first step. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Clynnwat (talk • contribs) 01:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, I don't have a personal interest in his work, but he's gaining popularity. I'm not being paid for this article, i think it would be informative to note someone who has a profound effect on the art world. I have no interest in promoting his work, and I won't even link to his social media. The guy has a bachelor's degree in liberal arts, and he's become a point of interest for people who think negatively of him. I just want to put the real story out there from a professional point of view.

Clynnwat Not exactly. Wikipedia is not a place to get information straight from the horse- it gets information from the people who got the information from the horse, so to speak. If you "get someone else to reference the article", that simply transfers the conflict of interest to them. Same if you approach "folks who know nothing about the subject". If there are already independent reliable sources that cover Mr. Reyes in depth, you may create a draft at Articles for Creation that summarizes those sources, and then submit it for a review, but you should review WP:COI and WP:PAID first(you don't have to be specifically paid to edit to be a paid editor, any paid relationship triggers the disclosure requirements). If you just want to tell the world about him as you see fit, you should use social media or a website owned and operated by you or Mr. Reyes. 331dot (talk) 01:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Clynnwat, I'm struck by something that you wrote: I have no formal association with Mr. Reyes, I just believe his subject of choice is strange enough to merit notability. And if it is such an issue, i will see to it that he makes his name in the US news. (My emphasis.) You seem to have it the wrong way around. Articles in Wikipedia are written about people who have already made their name (whether in the US news or elsewhere). Moreover, it sounds as if you are intent on publicizing Reyes on Wikipedia. If this is so, please don't: you'd only be wasting time, primarily your own. -- Hoary (talk) 07:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

en.m.wikipedia.org

HELP! I’m in the modified version of the Encyclopedia. It says en.m.wikipedia.org instead of en.wikipedia.org. How do I change it? 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:64B0:E80B:A595:623A (talk) 02:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The problem should be fixed if you remove the 'm' from the URL. That is, the URL should be en.wikipedia.org. The 'm' just changes the page styling. There are no other changes. Kpddg ^(talk) 02:12, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg: Every time I remove the 'm' it always brings it back, Why is the URL so strange? 2603:8000:F400:FCEA:64B0:E80B:A595:623A (talk) 02:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

If you are on a mobile device, it will default to the "m" (for "mobile) version. It displays better on the small screen. But if you're on a big screen the other version is better. You probably got there by following a link that somebody sent from a mobile device (at least, that's how it normally happens for me).--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

If you are on a mobile and want to force in onto the desktop version of the site, a toggle switch between mobile and desktop view is available at the bottom of every page. You can read more about the difference at Help:Mobile access.--Gronk Oz (talk) 02:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Honorific prefix

Hello I had a question, Is there a way to add a honorific prefix or something that does the same thing to a royalty info box? Orson12345 (talk) 03:50, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello Orson12345, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can add an honorific prefix to the infobox title itself in some cases, only when appropriate. See MOS:HONORIFIC for better understanding. Kpddg ^(talk) 08:30, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Kpddg Thank you for responding. I tried adding a honorific prefix to a royalty info box but it doesn’t let me. I’ve added honorific prefix’s to nobility info boxes and officeholder info boxes and it let me but for some reason it doesn’t let me with royalty info boxes. So I wanted to know if there’s a way around that. Orson12345 (talk)

@Orson12345, could you tell which page you are having probelms with? Kpddg ^(talk) 08:57, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I would just like to point out the honorofic 'His Grace' you added in the article John Dudley, 1st Duke of Northumberland. According to MOS:HONORIFIC, such prefixes should not be added before the name, but can be discussed in the article. Honorofics are used in cases only when it is so commonly attached to the name that reliable sources without it are not found. (Example: Mother Teresa). We do not usually add such prefixes in the infobox, but they can be mentioned in the article. Thank You. Kpddg ^(talk) 09:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Kpddg I wanted to add His Serenity to Leonardo Loredan. Orson12345 (talk)

This article does not have an infobox, that is why you are not being able to make the additions. You can mention this title in the text of the article itself. Kpddg ^(talk) 09:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Well I guess most editors don’t follow that rule because almost every duke in Wikipedia have his His Grace attached to there name. Orson12345 (talk)

I might be mistaken, but I checked articles on many Dukes to clarify (like listed in Duke of Cornwall, List of dukes in the peerages of Britain and Ireland, Duke of Lancaster, Duke of Clarence, Duke of York, etc.) and did not find any honorific prefix in the infobox. I know I have written this several times, but please do read MOS:HONORIFIC. A good way to resolve this would be to discuss on the article talk page. If you still think I am mistaken, please do ask another editor as well for their opinion. Thanks again. Kpddg ^(talk) 09:53, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Navigation popup for Principia College

Hello, I noticed that Principia College does not have a image in its page previews area. I think if there were an image in the infobox it would also naturally appear in the page preview for Principia College? However, if I don't want to go so far as to put an image in the infobox, is there a way to redirect the first image of the page to be used as the page preview image?

Thanks Archivingperson (talk) 04:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Translating FA - Should I fully research topic?

Hello! I have recently undertaken a project where I am translating a featured article (Гото Предестинация) from the Russian Wiki. Would it be better for me to purely translate the article, or fact check every piece of information with the source? I am concerned in doing the later as Google Translate may not translate correctly the many Russian sources, thus making my corrections factually incorrect. As it is a featured article, it should be reviewed enough where all the information is correct. Everything in the article correlates with the little information in English, and at a brief review everything looks sound. I plan in not being blind to the information, but not correlating every fact. Is this the correct course of action? GGOTCC (talk) 04:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

You should not translate articles in languages you do not speak. You especially should not use Google Translate to perform article translations. Typically research is required for translating an article, which is why it is best left to those who are fluent in both languages. ––FormalDude talk 05:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@GGOTCC I agree that you need to read each source yourself and base what you write on what they actually say. You really do need to have a very basic grasp of the other language to be able to wade through those sources, although Google Translate can be used to do the ‘heavy lifting’.

By way of example, I only know schoolboy French (last studied 45 years ago!), yet could get enough out of the French sources I found with the help of GT to create this article which got into DYK last week. Although articles on this Frenchman already exist in 3 other languages, I never felt the need to look any of them, other than the quickest of skims. It took week’s of hard work, but was worth it. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 08:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I understand; thank you both! GGOTCC (talk) 11:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Rejected

 Courtesy link: Draft:Shua Hoffman

Hey, my wiki page keeps getting rejected. its for an artist (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shua_Hoffman) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shua Hoffman (talk • contribs) 06:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Shua Hoffman. Your draft was not rejected, but rather it was declined. These are two different things. As for your draft, it utterly fails to show that this person is a notable musical performer. Wikipedia is not a social media site and is not a directory of every musician on Earth who has a social media account. Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY to understand why your effort is a bad idea and unlikely to be successful. Cullen328 (talk) 07:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Shua Hoffman: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please see what is considered a reliable source; understand while writing about yourself isn't forbidden, it is strongly discouraged; and that Wikipedia is not for promotional purposes. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Any mentoring system available?

I am new here and would like to get some help on to find my way around here. There are so many pages just about how to contribute that it's often easy to miss the right one. I would like to get the right introduction path here on Wikipedia. I made a small self-introduction on my userpage. Feel free to contact me also on IRC. GavriilaDmitriev (talk) 07:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@GavriilaDmitriev Welcome! Have you tried these? WP:ADVENTURE and WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Gavrilla and welcome to the Teahouse. I have left a message on your talk page and it may help you though a little big. You can also perform the activity that is available at Wikipedia:The_Wikipedia_Adventure, though I don't really know if it still works or not, as I could not do it myself. But still, you can try. Happy editing, and don't forget the Teahouse if you ever encounter any problem. Thanks and regards. Itcouldbepossible^Talk 08:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I was also told recently that new editors have a "Homepage Tab" which mentions a mentor. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:24, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Take a look at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. ––FormalDude talk 08:40, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude Just to say that WP:AAU is really not suited to complete newcomers, but works for those new editors who have already shown a commitment to sticking around and contributing, yet now want to learn more about the finer details of editing. Self-help, by reading WP:INTRODUCTION supported by the Teahouse, or by one’s mentor allocated via their Homepage tab are the best routes for an absolute beginner. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:03, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Acceptability of primary sources

I have become an editor as I wish to improve the page on L. Winifred Faraday. My sources are letters written by her archived at Leominster Museum and, so far as I am aware, are the only sources for information on her Fellowship at Oxford and her teaching career. Can I go ahead? I wanted to use the Talk page relevant to her entry but can't see anywhere to write! The Bi-metallic daughter (talk) 10:50, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. The article is at L. Winifred Faraday, & the talk page at Talk:L. Winifred Faraday. To start a new conversation of the talk page, use the "New section" tab. If the sources have not been published, they are not acceptable for Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:59, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@The Bi-metallic daughter: Some museums allow search of collections via their website. However, Leominster museum's here does not appear to have a search facility and hence it is impossible for a Wikipedia reader to verify they hold material on L. W. Faraday, and even less to say what exactly it is. So your only way to proceed using that material is, I think, to write an article about her based on your research into the archive and have it published in another outlet (e.g. learned journal or local newspaper) first. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Question about uploading an image

Hi,I'd very much appreciate your help, if possible! ..I'm trying to upload an image to the page Islamic Reporting Initiative - specifically, a picture of the chairman, who is himself already on Wikipedia - Mohamed Amersi - but not yet with an image. I'm in contact with him and he has given me permission to use a picture for use on Wikipedia, which is a picture to which he holds all the rights. I have completely read through the Wikipedia page Wikipedia:Uploading images, plus some of its subpages, but I'm still not entirely sure that after I publish it on the page - which in itself seems simple enough - it won't be immediately removed.. I think my questions are: a) Does my image qualify as a 'fair use image'?, b) Am I allowed to upload this image directly to the English Wikipedia?, and c) If I do (upload to English Wikipedia) what are the downsides vs uploading to Wikimedia Commons? Again, I'd be extremely grateful for your guidance. Thank you and have a great day! Julianross CSR (talk) 10:56, 2 February 2022 (UTC) Julianross CSR (talk) 10:56, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Julianross CSR, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia. First, please notice that "upload an image to the page" is not an accurate description: you upload an image, and (separately) use it on one or more pages. Now about using it: there are two quite separate paths for using images. Either the image is freely licensed and can be uploaded to Commons and then used on English Wikipedia and any other Mediawiki project; or'its use meets all the requirements of English Wikipedia's non-free content criteria (which are more restrictive than "fair use"), and it may be uploaded to English Wikipedia and used in an article.

One of the NFCC is that there is no possibility of obtaining a free image, so I'm afraid it is almost never acceptable to upload an image of a living person in that way. So the only way that you could use Amersi's image is by the "free licence" route. That would require the copyright holder (who is usually not the subject, unless it is a selfie, or it was taken under a contract which specifically assigns the copyright to the subject) to explicitly license it under CC-BY-SA: giving permission to use it on Wikipedia is not sufficienct. So you would need the photographer (probably) to follow the procedure in donating copyright materials, and then you could upload the picture to Commons, using the Upload wizard. It is tortuous, because copyright is such a tortuous issue. --ColinFine (talk) 11:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Many thanks for your superfast reply Colin! Seriously appreciated. Wow, yes this does sound like quite a process - which I kind of saw coming - but extremely helpful to now have such clear directions. So will first follow up with the photographer, and then follow through accordingly from there. All sounds doable. Thanks again! Julianross CSR (talk) 11:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Varal Consultancy DMCC

How can I improve this article? Varal2 (talk) 11:10, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

The author received advice at User talk:GTLR, including a link to Wikipedia's definition of notability. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

The article has been nominated for Speedy deletion, and is very likely to very quickly disappear with no record of it ever having existed. If you want to retain a version of it, copy it to your computer. In general, new editors (you) are strongly advised to follow directions at WP:YFA on how to create a draft and then submit the draft to Articles for Creation (AfC) for review. You bypassed this to create an article in mainspace that does not comply with Wikipedia standards. David notMD (talk) 14:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

CONFUSION: Varal2 created and then blanked Draft:Varal Consultancy. GTLR then created identical content Varal Consultancy DMCC, nominated for Speedy deletion. David notMD (talk) 14:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

References behind a paywall

Is it acceptable to refer to a source that is behind a paywall? Does that still count as being in the public domain? Occasionalpedestrian (talk) 11:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

For info on sources behind a paywall, see WP:PAYWALL. It is not necessarily public domain. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:21, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

It is acceptable to use paywalled and offline sources (like, you know, books), although most editors prefer easily accessible sources. Paywalled sources do count as published (in fact, most academic literature these days has a "preprint" version not behind a paywall, and a "published" version behind a paywall that is considered authoritative). This is different from public domain, which refers to copyright. —Kusma (talk) 11:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

What's wrong with my page? Please help!

Hello, my page was moved into the draftspace. I think it is fairly important as it is the highest state honour which Hungary awards. I feel like it is cited and written well... Any help would be appreciated! Link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hungarian_Order_of_Saint_Stephen Pelicanegg (talk) 11:29, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

hi Pelicanegg and welcome to the teahouse! since it seems like the page hasn't been denied yet, you may keep working on the page and improving it for now while waiting for an article review, although for now, moving it directly from draft to article space without going through the review process is discouraged. happy editing!  melecie  t - 13:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi Melecie, thank you! But I find it has been unfairly moved to the draftspace. Could a third-party properly review the page? Also a similar thing happened to my other page. Link:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Dale_A._Martin Thank you in advance! :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pelicanegg (talk • contribs)

Bearcat, would you be able to comment on why you moved the article to draft-space? The template-comments added on draftification include the sentences "Do not resubmit this draft without addressing the comments of the previous reviewer. If you do not understand why this article was sent back to draft space, ask the reviewer rather than simply resubmitting". It is very hard for an editor to address the issues if there aren't any obvious comments to address. Having looked at the article and checked, admittedly just one, of the references, nothing leaps out as obviously appalling about the article, so I can understand Pelicanegg's need for help on this. Elemimele (talk) 13:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

In regards to the second article they mentioned, it appears that Onel5969 has requested that Pelicanegg clear up the question about a potential connection or COI with the subject. The draft says that @Pelicanegg has declared a connection but I don't see where that occurred. Regardless, that shouldn't keep an article from being moved from draft to main space if the sources check out. Having a COI and creating an article about the subject with which you have a COI is not against policy. Disclosing your COI is required but that's not a content issue. Hopefully these two reviewers can clear up this and give the editor solid reasons beyond what I see right now. --ARoseWolf 13:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

• It's really quite simple: you are not entitled to bypass the AFC process by submitting a draft to the AFC queue for review and then immediately moving it into mainspace yourself just one minute later with the AFC review template still on it: once you submit it to the AFC queue for review, you have to wait for it to be reviewed and processed by the AFC queue reviewers. Nobody's saying it can never have an article, but you have to respect and follow the proper process, and the process does not allow you to just arbitrarily move the page into mainspace yourself while it's still waiting for review. Bearcat (talk) 13:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Bearcat, do I have to wait for other reviewers or can I just take the AFC template off? With this much energy it makes more sense to review the page rather than move it here and there... Thank you in advance :)

@Pelicanegg: you are not obliged to use the AfC process at all. It can be a good idea to do so, because the reviewers may make helpful comments. But it was set up such that unconfirmed and unregistered users could continue to submit articles indirectly, after they were prevented from doing so directly in main-space following some problematic incidents. If you physically can place an article directly in main-space, you are entitled to do so. It won't be listed on Google until it has been approved by a new page reviewer, or until 30 (I always get this wrong!??) days are up. As for removing the template, see below. Elemimele (talk) 19:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Bearcat:, I believe you are mistaken in this, but would welcome input from a more experienced editor. AfC is a project, set up by someone to help those who needed help. It's only a project, not a rule, and if you look at its project page, you will find that while there are instructions for reviewers, there are no instructions for those who submit an article. Also please note that it is described as a "Peer review" process, which implies that the editors doing the reviewing are equals of those whose articles are being reviewed, not superior gate-keepers. That is the meaning of the word Peer. There are also no instructions on the "pending" template telling the author not to remove the template. Articles that have been rejected at AfC do indeed regularly get moved to main-space, and then often turn up at AfD. Remember, AfD is actually the final test, not AfC: the criteria at AfC are basically "accept if you think AfD won't delete it again", but it is consensus at AfD that matters, not the individual views of the AfC (peer) reviewer. It's unhelpful if people remove their AfC tag, but I'm not sure if it's against any rule? Elemimele (talk) 19:41, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

What I was more concerned about is the mixed messaging that is given. We told this editor that they shouldn't circumvent the process and that's why this article was draftified, however, in the comments we told them that they should not resubmit until they had addressed the issues laid out by the reviewer that draftified the article. In the same comment we told them that they needed to improve the article before resubmitting or risk it being rejected and/or deleted. From what I see here the article wasn't draftified due to a content issue but due to a perceived procedural issue. And if @Bearcat reverted the article to draft status for the reason they stated which is evidenced by the edit summary then what is there to address and why shouldn't they resubmit immediately? I don't think it's correct to chastise this editor for being confused when the directions given are very confusing. --ARoseWolf 20:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Nobody removed the AFC tag from the article. The page was moved to mainspace with the pending AFC review template left on it. And as for allowing page creators to submit drafts for AFC review and then immediately move the page themselves, keep in mind that doing that defeats the entire purpose of AFC, because if every editor is given free rein to do that and no edit actually has to wait for review, then what the hell else is the point of having AFC review at all? Lots of rules get broken around here all the time, but it doesn't mean they aren't still rules. Bearcat (talk) 20:20, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm inclined to agree with ARoseWolf that the current process for AfC gives very mixed messages. Since AfC isn't compulsory, there really need to be explicit instructions on how to withdraw from it in an orderly fashion. It was reasonable for Pelicanegg to take a look at the review-queue and decide they didn't want to wait; the best thing would probably be for the AfC template to contain instructions, such as "if you choose to go it alone, without AfC, please remove this template before you move a new article to main-space". This lack of definition obviously put Bearcat in a difficult position of having to decide whether something was a rule or not, and if so, how to deal with it. I shall ask someone at AfC! Elemimele (talk) 06:42, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

How to remove a template

 Puretortoise (talk) 13:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Puretortoise Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It would help to know which template it is you wish to remove, in order to give you the best answer. 331dot (talk) 13:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

hi, I've gone and removed the {{Multiple issues}} template from Avraham Avi-hai. unsure exactly how to remove templates in visualeditor (i primarily use source), but I believe it's just tapping the backspace a bit few more times. happy editing!  melecie  t - 14:01, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

This bot undid my constructive edit on Aphthous stomatitis!

Hi. The bot by the name of "ClueBot NG"(talk) undid my edit at the page "Aphthous stomatitis." I think this bot is malfunctioning. Admins, please shut the bot down. Also, can somebody revert the bot's edit on the requested page please? Thank you! ExpositionLaner2835 (talk) 16:35, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ExpositiongLaner2835 and welcome to the Teahouse. In the edit summary, it says "Report False Positive? Thanks", so that's how you report if the bot is overzealous. However, I observe that you added material without a citation. If your addition is in the sources already in the article, that's fine; but if it is not then (especially in medical articles) you need to cite a source. Please bring it up at the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 16:45, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

User has been blocked as a sock of Giratto. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Creating References

I am having difficulty creating references. I have created 22 references using a template "Template: ACS References", at the bottom of the article. Now I am trying to insert the reference numbers in the article text (e.g. [1], [2}, etc.), but not having an luck. Gerryrkirk (talk) 16:54, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

The references need to be created at the point in the text to which they refer, see Help:Referencing for beginners (a link which you were given in the earlier feedback on your draft). --David Biddulph (talk) 17:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC).

Yes, I finally figured it out. Thank you.

QUESTION HOW DO I CREATE A NEW WEBPAGE ON WIKIPEDIA ?

Hi, I would love to be part of the Wikipedia family and create new pages of persons who are worth being mentioned on Wikipedia. How do I start? Thank you so much for all the help you can give Patrick PATRICK HERBOTS WILRIJK (talk) 17:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@PATRICK HERBOTS WILRIJK: Hello Patrick! First, please don't shout. Second, I would suggest reading through WP:YFA, which detail how you should go about creating a new article as long as you make sure the subject is notable. Also, if you're wanting to create articles on people who are either living, or recently died then you should read WP:BLP. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I have left you a welcome message on your user page, please be advised that creating a new article is the very hardest task on Wikipedia, it's probably best to gain some experience with smaller edits first. good luck. Theroadislong (talk) 17:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Accidentally reverted a picture

Hello, I reverted a picture of the nine kings of Europe photographed together accidentally to a colorized version, and I immediately reverted it back. Will I get blocked? Vamsi20 (talk) 17:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Vamsi20: Hello Vamsi! You shouldn't get blocked. People usually don't get blocked for making small mistakes, although if it's repeated they will probably get blocked as it becomes clear the user is doing it intentionally. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

No, you will not get blocked! It's helpful to explain the error in the edit summary, but that's it. We all make mistakes. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:50, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Thanks!

Vamsi20 (talk) Vamsi20 (talk) 17:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Vamsi20: You can make some really quite large errors and still not get blocked, though offenders have ended up in the Village Stocks. Those with a good sense of humour may also find themselves having an occasional fishy encounter. Don't panic! If you mess up, just say "oops", and fix it if you can. Otherwise, some nice person here will probably manage to fix it. Elemimele (talk) 20:17, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Although even those with a terrible sense of humor have presented people with a fishy encounter. As evidenced by me having to remove the trout button from my talk page― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

can someone tell me how to decorate my profile so it looks good

I wanna make my profile look good, how do i do the formatting? Outrunno (talk) 18:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Take a look at the Userpage design center. ––FormalDude talk 18:06, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@FormalDude: You do know that page is inactive right? ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:27, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Yep–still a good resource though. ––FormalDude talk 20:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I agree completely that its still useful. Some of the formatting suggestions have helped me. --ARoseWolf 20:46, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Alright then. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Outrunno, to start you might want to have your user page welcome women editors too, not just those who are male. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:09, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Citation Issue

Can someone please check to to resolve the citation issue?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Huma_Batool Adeelkhanwwc (talk) 18:39, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Adeelkhanwwc:  Fixed, you just forgot some of these characters: < when closing the ref tag. I also added the template {{reflist}} to the references section which will automatically list the references when they are used in the article. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@blazewolf What do you suggest should I resubmit or add more in the page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adeelkhanwwc (talk • contribs) 19:18, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Adeelkhanwwc: Couldn't tell ya. Not really an area I have much knowledge in or am really interested in. I really only recognize one of the sources as being reliable (that would be BBC, I don't think it not being in english diminishes the reliability) for sure. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

i want to merge an article

i belive this articile should be merged with this one Why? Because they should be in a article called "Internet Browser (Nintendo consoles)" it makes it much more simpler, what do you think. TzarN64 (talk) 20:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@TzarN64: I don't think Internet Browser (Nintendo consoles) is an appropriate titel because the Nitendo DS/DSi, Wii, 3DS, and Wii U are the only Nintendo Consoles (that I'm aware of) to have an internet browser (the one on the Switch doesn't count since it's not officially supported by Nintendo and you have to change the DNS settings in your internet settings to access it). This might be a more appropriate discussion at WT:VG. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Report of COVID-19 misinformation

Hello,

I'd like to report a COVID-19 misinformation that happened on 7 Sept 2021 on the Italian TV show diMartedi' by virologist Ilaria Capua

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilaria_Capua

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv_20CVsqrc at 49:47

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNyxksFh42g or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX-Ge_3ZmIg for the short version

As you can easily verify translating the video descriptions, she literally said on television: "Ivermectin is a dewormer for horses and is a drug that is dangerous for people because it is not registered for people".

I perfectly agree with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic and I think it's a very serious matter not only claiming that it can be a treatment but also lying about one of the safest drugs.

I don't need to quote https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivermectin right?

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/medicine/2015/press-release/

"These two discoveries have provided humankind with powerful new means to combat these debilitating diseases that affect hundreds of millions of people annually. The consequences in terms of improved human health and reduced suffering are immeasurable."

Thank you for your attention. 193.57.100.10 (talk) 20:50, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm not clear on what your question is. If you have a suggestion to improve an article, start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 21:00, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I thought COVID-19 misinformation couldn't just be edited by anyone. So should I write the same report in the section "Please help" of the talk page? Thanks for your support. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.57.100.10 (talk) 23:12, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi there! You are correct - content discussions and suggestions should be done on the article's talk page. When you do, please make it very clear what changes you would like to be made to the article (e.g. please change X to Y). Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:29, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Anyone can start a discussion on COVID-19-related content, but they must be on their best behaviour. Discretionary sanctions aren't something that can be laughed off if you intend to edit Wikipedia for any significant length of time. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 02:46, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Follow-up to Sources / Citations ref first hand account and participation

REF my prior submissions. As a newbie here I have but one simple goal and that is to ensure that the details included in wiki are true and accurate. I think we can all agree on that for sure. I am finding it difficult to understand a couple of items. First, how does the wiki community define "reliable published source (s)" and secondly, how does first hand participant details (not previously published) ever make into this database. When a significant person, like a US president, writes his memoir of time in office, and raises matters not ever published before, are you saying that such information is not deemed credible? If so, all personal memoirs would be excluded. If you accept them as "credible" then you are simply picking who is and is not "credible" by a means of life importance. If former President Obama said something for the first time in his book - does that mean it is true? Because a well known book publisher prints millions of copies, does that also make the words of one man become "credible"? Is the New York Post more or less "credible" than the New York Times or Washington Post? Thus back to my point - what really is a "reliable published source" ? I look forward to more open discussion on this matter and hope ALL enter with an open mind. Thanks. AmIntelAgent32 (talk) 21:07, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@AmIntelAgent32: See WP:RS for what we consider reliable sources. Unpublished first hand accounts cannot be included. See WP:V, all information must be verifiable. See WP:TRUTH for more info. RudolfRed (talk) 21:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

web source?

Adding a source from the web Hello. First time in the Teahouse. I have been editing Wikipedia for 10 years yet still adding a source in certain instances is a sticking point for me. In Floyd Patterson' article, I want to add something in the Retired Life section of the article, after where it says he ran the 1982 and 1983 Stockholm Marathon. He ran the 1983 New York City Marathon, which I ran also and beat him by 9 minutes that day. Want to source with: NYRR Race Results 1970-Present, enter his name, and the result pops up. Can you please put that source right after Reference #28 if you can please and I will fill in the narrative(only a few words). No one is responding on the talk page. Thank you for your time and effort. Have a good day.2601:581:8402:6620:D4B0:611F:BC:D1FA (talk) 21:16, 2 February 2022 (UTC) 2601:581:8402:6620:D4B0:611F:BC:D1FA (talk) 21:16, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Added a title to this question RudolfRed (talk) 21:19, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I've added a reference after citation 28 to the article for you. ––FormalDude talk 21:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I see, but I wanted his result posted, so when you click on the site, enter his name in the box (Floyd Patterson) and his 1983 New York City Marathon result will come up right away.2601:581:8402:6620:D4B0:611F:BC:D1FA (talk) 21:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Never mind. Did it myself. All good now. Thank you for your help.2601:581:8402:6620:D4B0:611F:BC:D1FA (talk) 21:45, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

image upload, requested non-free

I see in Talk a long list of books for which images of the covers/jackets are wanted. I could upload a bunch, but as a not-quite-autoconfirmed editor I apparently ought not to upload non-free images. Also, I don't feel confident about following the directions in the File Upload Wizard regarding non-free requested images (placement in article, notification in Talk). Perhaps I should just upload them in the Commons and hope they are noticed? Or perhaps someone could walk me through the first one? Thanks in advance for your advice. Anne.erickson (talk) 22:05, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Anne.erickson: Welcome to the Teahouse! Could you please provide a link to this list? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:39, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Anne.erickson. Unless you're fairly certain the the book covers would meet c:Commons:Licensing, I'd avoid uploading any such files to Commons. Commons doesn't accept fair use content of any type as explained here; so, such files are likely going to end up deleted (perhaps rather quickly) if the covers are clearly not within the public domain for some reason or can be soon to have been release under an acceptable free license by their copyright holders. Book covers, album covers, magazine covers, etc. can often be uploaded locally as non-free content for use in Wikipedia articles as per item 1 given here for certain types of uses. This generally means that the cover art is being used for primary identification purposes in the main infoboxes or at the tops of stand-alone articles about the works they represent; other types of uses or uses in other types of articles is much trickier to justify. So, if you feel you've found some book cover images that probably would satisfy Wikipedia's non-free content use policy but are a bit leery about uploading them yourself or can't quite do so just yet, you can always ask someone else for assistance at Wikipedia:Files for upload. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:42, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Request for Mediator Please

I would like to ask for help regarding my page Dale A. Martin. The article was gutted even though all the facts were properly cited. I have a COI, I am not paid, however I wouldn't like to give away my identity. Here is a link to the lengthier dispute: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard#c-Slywriter-2022-02-02T22%3A06%3A00.000Z-Dale_A._Martin

Thank you for all your help/advice in advance! :) Pelicanegg (talk) 22:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pelicanegg: Welcome to the Teahouse! While you're waiting, please declare your COI on your user page. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 22:48, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

You can declare a COI on your User page without getting into any specifics that would give away your identity. Could be as simple as using the form, or just stating that you know him personally. Howver, now that it is an article, your COI means that you should no longer edit the article directly, but instead recommend changes on the Talk page. David notMD (talk) 22:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

You're asking for "help"; what kind of help do you hope to get? I don't understand why a discussion at WP:COIN needs a mediator. If it's help with the content of the article, and if this person is notable by Wikipedia standards (which I doubt), then it's likely that the notability would be demonstrated by sources in Hungarian. I can't read Hungarian, and I imagine that most people reading this "Teahouse" page also cannot. -- Hoary (talk) 22:53, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Dear Hoary, I'm hoping that someone would go through the article and see how much of the removed/changed parts were warranted to be removed. Thank you in advance! Pelicanegg (talk) 22:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I removed non notable trivial content for example being a member of the board of the German-Hungarian Chamber of Industry and Commerce is not something noteworthy, Wikipedia is not a CV hosting service. Theroadislong (talk) 23:02, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Pelicanegg, the article, as it was before it was "gutted" (in your view), had a lot of material. A lot of this was, or appeared to be, supported by references in Hungarian. In principle, there's nothing wrong with either a lot of material or with Hungarian-language references; in practice, it's unlikely that you'll get anyone to go through all of these assertions/references. You might start by specifying the two deletions that, in your view, were the most egregious; and somebody here might comment on each of these. In line with what David Biddulph suggests below, name your top two not here but on Talk:Dale A. Martin. -- Hoary (talk) 23:44, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

@Pelicanegg: If you wish to propose changes to the article, the place to do it is on Talk:Dale A. Martin. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:33, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Evaluation of concern for privacy

The article CodeMiko has contained the subjects full name as it is publicly available in sources online.

However several edits have been made to remove the name, owing to concerns about the subjects privacy and safety online.

Several other twitch streamers have their full name published on Wikipedia, such as Emiru, Mizkif, Pokimane and more.

I am unsure how to interpret the guidelines laid out in Wikipedia:BLPPRIVACY and would like an third opinion on whether the name should be included on Wikipedia or not. LongJohn42 (talk) 22:38, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I have protected the article. If her name is out there in public sources it will be difficult to keep it out of the article, but in any event, it should be discussed. 331dot (talk) 22:47, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Since the article has been protected now by 331dot, the best place to probably discuss this would be at Talk:CodeMiko. However, please keep in mind that things like WP:BLPPRIVACY apply to all pages; so, if content was removed for BLP concerns by other editors, then you probably will need to try and discuss it without specifically re-adding it to the talk page. Things like WP:BLPPRIVACY (and WP:BLPREMOVE) probably need to be dealt with extra carefully even when you may strongly feel they're not as applicable as others might think they are. If you start a talk page discussion about this and are unable to come to a resolution, then you can try to seek further input at WP:BLPN. Just for reference, WP:OTHERCONTENT existing doesn't necessary mean similar content should exist in this article; it could mean that the other content shouldn't also be there or that other things are being considered that don't apply equally to both articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:56, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

The two or three editors (not LongJohn) who have been raising this issue, apparently have some COI in the matter, but have not made proper disclaimers or disclosure. --Orange Mike | Talk 02:36, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Name Fonts

I know some users have different fonts, shadows, and colours in their Usernames, like User:Blaze Wolf and User:Itcouldbepossible. How do I add one for my own? ExoplanetaryNova (talk) 23:36, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi ExoplanetaryNova! You're looking for Wikipedia:Signature tutorial. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 23:39, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

Wow! Thanks for the help, Sdkb! ExoplanetaryNova (talk) 23:46, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

approval for posting

HI I posted a draft of an entry and put it in for ATC editing. I have not heard back. What can I do to speed the process along? Thanks, Liza Zimmerman (talk) 00:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I would like to know how to improve it. Liza Zimmerman (talk) 00:02, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

I presume, Liza Zimmerman, that this is about Draft:Tor Wines. I note that you've already asked for advice, that you have declared that you've been paid for other wine-related drafts, but that you don't seem to have addressed the matter of your compensation (if any) or other conflict of interest with respect to Tor Wines. Perhaps start by clarifying (or making more conspicuous) your interest in Tor Wines. -- Hoary (talk) 00:38, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Liza Zimmerman: as you can see on the AfC banner, there is currently a large backlog of pages. It may take several months before the article is reviewed. Wgullyn (talk) 01:47, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

[[User:Wgullyn thanks! Liza Zimmerman (talk) 02:55, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Liza Zimmerman, it would help (both with speeding the process, and with its chance of eventual acceptance) to have fewer sources that tell us what Kenward has said, and more independent sources. Maproom (talk) 09:11, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Addition to Lancaster University

I wish to be added to the list of Lancaster University alumni

  Billy Corr,  historian 36.37.193.102 (talk) 00:44, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

 Moved to separate section  melecie  t - 01:32, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! to be added to lists such as the list of Lancaster University alumni, people have to have a wikipage, which in turn requires them to be notable enough for wikipedia standards. happy editing!  melecie  t - 01:32, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

For further information, please see WP:ALUMNI.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:58, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia will not let me scroll down when I try to edit articles?

I really need some help here. I am using a chromebook OS to edit wikipedia. Any tips from anyone who has resolved this problem would be appreciated.--Phil of rel (talk) 01:51, 3 February 2022 (UTC) Phil of rel (talk) 01:51, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Phil of rel: Hello Phil! Could you possibly be a bit more specific with your issue? I regularly edit from a Chromebook and have never had this issue. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 02:18, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Blaze Wolf: Thanks for the quick reply, Blaze. I think I fixed the issue by disabling the etymonline add-on. Not sure how that affected the functionality, but obviously it did.--Phil of rel (talk) 02:33, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

EDIT: it's still broken :|. Basically, the side scrolling functionality is not working on the editing page.Phil of rel (talk) 02:36, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

EDIT 2: okay I figured out that I hadn't clicked on the box before editing, that's why it wasn't working.Phil of rel (talk) 02:42, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Final edit: it's still broken. Issue is as described in first edit. Can anyone figure this out please? It periodically works. I've tried disabling all the add-ons I've had but with no luck. I'll try disabling the software I've got, but this issue didn't start until a little while after installing it.Phil of rel (talk) 02:48, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Clarification: By "the box" I am referring to the editing box. Sorry for not making that clearer in my edits. The editing box will not display the scroller that appears on its side when I hover my mouse on it, and the scroller will not show up even when I hover on the edge of the editing box. It only happens like that two-thirds of the time, it's very strange. The other times, the scroller works normally. It also doesn't seem to happen on pages that only admins can edit. I'm using a chromebook with its pre-installed OS, if that's any help.--Phil of rel (talk) 05:20, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Phil of rel: You might have better luck talking with someone over at WP:VPT. That being said, does the issue persist if you switch to a different browser? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:03, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Tenryuu Thanks, I will bring it up there. I haven't tried doing things in a different browser. This problem really only started about two weeks ago.--Phil of rel (talk) 06:31, 3 February 2022 (UTC) EDIT: I seem to remember there being an upgrade to Chrome OS rolled out at that time. That may explain the persistant problems? I don't know, I will bring up the issue on the technical village pump page. Thank you all for your help.

Small image and Page Previews

Hello, On the James Semple page, the image isn't showing up in the Page Preview area even though the image is in the infobox area. The image is 168 × 225 pixels. Is it to small to show up or is there a way to correct for that? Thanks Archivingperson (talk) 04:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Archivingperson: What do you mean by "page preview?" If you mean that the infobox image doesn't preview in the mobile version of Wikipedia when you search for the article, then I'm a bit confused because I can see the pic just fine. 〜 ‍ ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me!・📝see my work!} 05:31, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Archivingperson: and on my Windows laptop, the preview when I hover my mouse over the title of that article also shows the image okay.--Gronk Oz (talk) 05:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Gronk Oz: and @Troubled.elias: Thanks for the reply. On my mac laptop when I hover over James Semple with my mouse I just see text, however when I hover over a page like Elsah, Illinois I see text and an image along with it, if that helps clarify? It seems like there should be an image showing up for James Semple because the image is in the infobox, but for some reason it's not on my laptop. Thanks. Archivingperson (talk) 06:32, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@Archivingperson: that's bizarre. On my windows desktop, hovering over both of those titles gives images, displayed in just the same way (except the Semple one is taller due to portrait orientation). Looking at the coding, I can't see anything that would cause a difference. I just have one thought, and it's a long shot - try clearing the browser cache on your laptop. On a Windows machine this can be done by pressing the keys [Ctrl], [Shift] and [Del]. Not sure how to do it with an i-thing. Then I recommend closing the browser (all windows) and try again.--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:01, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

The Storm Testament Book Series

Hi, I am an avid fan of the book series The Storm Testament and I wanted to find some information on it, so I looked for the Wiki page and could not find it. I then saw some logs that looked like it might have been deleted and I feel like it deserves a page on Wikipedia. I would just like to know if there is any reason that it was deleted or if there is any way to make a page? I would be willing to help and I think it would be really awesome to have a Wiki page for someone who hears about the book and wants to know more, or if someone just needs informatiom from it. FrostyPosty (talk) 06:54, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi FrostyPosty, welcome to the Teahouse, reasons for the deletion can be found in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Storm Testament, it seems that it's been deleted due to the subject failing our notability standards. If you think the article is now notable (see WP:GNG), then feel free to recreate it, but please first read through WP:1st as it provides instructions for new editors wanting to create articles. Please note that creating articles is one of the hardest things for a beginner to do, so consider choosing another task. Justiyaya 07:09, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflictHello, FrostyPosty. Please read Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Storm Testament, a discussion that took place over 14 years ago. As an administrator, I can read deleted articles and this one was terrible. It resembled a school b) ook report written by a pre-teen who is about to flunk their class. Please read the Notability guideline for books. The most common way to establish that a book (or book series) is notable, is to provide references to independent, reliable sources that review the book in depth. Please read Your first article for information about your next steps. An important thing to keep in mind is that you need to set aside your "avid fan" frame of mind, and do no more than neutrally summarizing in your own words what reliable sources say about this series of books. Cullen328 (talk) 07:17, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

@FrostyPosty: Hello! Looking at the corresponding "articles for deletion" (AFD) discussion on the topic, the reason why the page does not exist is because at the time, there were not enough reliable, independent sources about the book series. For a topic to warrant an article on Wikipedia, (1) multiple sources must directly discuss the topic of interest, (2) the sources in question must have a reputation for fact-checking, and (3) the sources must not be affiliated with the subject of the article to make sure pages follow the guidelines for neutral point of view. If you wish to write an article about the book series, please do keep these guidelines in mind, and read through WP:1ST to get a rundown of other important information!

While I appreciate your willingness to contribute to Wikipedia by planning to make a new page, it can be a very arduous task for people only starting off here. You may try out any of the tasks from this page to slowly, but surely, build up experience and get an idea of what editing here is like. Have a good day! 〜 ‍ ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me!・📝see my work!} 07:21, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

military insignia update

There is another editor who'd like to update some military insignia, the update is based on emblem shown on the new field uniform of that branch. Another editor objected to this edit and claim image of new field uniform cannot be used as reference per Wikipedia:Reliable sources and insist on previous emblem (which that editor created in the past). I am actually agree with first editor who'd like to make update, and help to provide proof that the updated insignia is recently being used and also pointed out that the insignia is shown in the official website of that military unit (although it didnt explicitly mentioned that). The other editor who objected still object that edit and said that pictures are still not a reliable source as it didn't provide enough details. As far as I know, I couldn't find any source that explicitly mentioned that this military unit used this or that insignia, so the best source is either those recent pictures of new field uniform and images on website that may indicate that is the insignia.

My question is, what's the standard to be used as sources for images? because there are some military unit that didn't explicitly mention their insignia on website, but there are plenty images of insignia used in either uniform, website, news, letterhead or others. are those image are really unacceptable?

Thank you Ckfasdf (talk) 07:55, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Licensing image taken from a YouTube video

Which license should I use while uploading an image taken from a YouTube video? Resmise (talk) 08:26, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

You probably shouldn't upload it, Resmise. Please give an example of a video from which you have derived an image that you want to upload, and briefly describe the copyright status of that video, as you understand it. Then somebody here (perhaps me) will be able to give you an informed comment. -- Hoary (talk) 09:00, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Resmise: depends on the video in question. Can you provide a link to the video (note:Please copy the www.youtube.com link as it displays in you browser's address bar, not the youtube.be shortcut) Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 09:03, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@Hoary:@Victor Schmidt mobil: Video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUJ4ai7gV14

@Resmise: Hello! Are you planning to gather a screenshot from that video as an infobox image for your draft article? If that is the case, I'm afraid you cannot do that because the video is not published under a CC-BY licence (see more here) and thus is non-free content. You may use such an image, accompanied by a fair use rationale, when you use it in an infobox in an article for a notable album or album track, but in this context I don't think that's acceptable. 〜 ‍ ‍ ‍ elias. 🧣 ‍ ‍ ^{💬reach out to me!・📝see my work!} 09:32, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Resmise, I invited you to describe the copyright status of the video. You haven't. I see nothing about it or its presentation that suggests that it's anything other than conventional ("all rights reserved") copyright. Therefore we must assume that this is its copyright status, and it may not be uploaded to Commons. Use of the image might be "fair" for an article on the particular pop song, but not for an article on the pop group, and not for any draft. (No non-free content can be used for any draft.) -- Hoary (talk) 10:17, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

From draft to publication Stroma

When you can go from draft to publication?. I currently have this page in draft and have made the changes you asked me to consider it a draft? Draft:Stroma_(philosophy) Pepeh17 (talk) 09:17, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

Pepeh17 My suggestion is that you submit it for a review so other editors can see if the concerns given in the deletion discussion were addressed; I will shortly add the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft. 331dot (talk) 09:22, 3 February 2022 (UTC)