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May 15

Problem with Creating Draft

Problem solved! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JudithMHWhite48 (talk • contribs) 02:43, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Is it useful to add "language" parameter to English citations?

{{Cite web}} says: "When the only source language is English, no language is displayed in the citation." I see some editors add "language" parameter to English refs. Does it improve the ref? Is it useful? --Mann Mann (talk) 05:50, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I'd say WP:If it ain't broke, don't fix it. No it isn't useful. So far, the language parameter, if English, doesn't modify the reference in any way, but it doesn't break it either. Not worth wasting time and effort and getting into needless edit wars with others who add this needless parameter. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 06:03, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

@CX Zoom: Thanks for the reply. I agree with you. I wanted to remove it from the articles I watch and edit. But as you said, it's better to ignore such stuff. --Mann Mann (talk) 06:26, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I've also seen (but can't remember where) a suggestion to keep the tags as they can help Wikipedians working to translate articles for our sister projects. I haven't done translation work, so I don't know how much of a benefit they are. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 13:37, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Some tools automatically add language to items, you can safely remove them if they do - but it's usually pointless changing. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:04, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers and Lee Vilenski: Interesting info, thanks. --Mann Mann (talk) 03:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Automatic redirection for broken links

Hello. I would like to change the section title of some articles. But that would break many links to there. Do you know if there is a mean (say a robot) to redirect the links automatically to the new title. I mean, if I change "The surface integral" to "surface integral" for example, I would like to use a robot to say it: change every link to "the surface integral" to the new link "surface integral". Thx. maimonid (talk) 08:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Cewbot 6 does try to fix these. Galobtter (pingó mió) 09:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @Galobtter. But I'm not sure I understand this bot: If I change the title of a section completely say, and leave the content of the section unchanged, will the bot do its work (automatically)? maimonid (talk) 10:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

@Maimonid: I believe that one can use Template:Anchor in such a case. If you create an anchor in a heading, with the former name of the section (such as ==Surface integral{{subst:anchor|The surface integral}}==), links to the old name of the section will still work even after you change the name. Deor (talk) 13:07, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

@Deor: Thank you so many for this answer; that's exactly what I needed.maimonid (talk) 06:04, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

New article

Hello

I'm new to wikipedia but very interested in making my contributions. How ever I don't seem to be able to make new articles. Why is that and how can I do it?

Regards, Lárus Sigurður. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lárus Sigurður (talk • contribs) 13:35, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia editing Lárus Sigurður. New editors are prevented from creating articles directly into Mainspace, as experience tells us they often don't do a good job. However they can use the articles for creation system which among other things allows experienced editors to review and accept/decline/reject the work. Please read WP:YFA or start by improving one of our existing articles in an area you are interested in — that way you'll learn the ropes before you tackle the bigger challenge of writing something from scratch. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Welcome to Wikipedia. In most cases, new accounts cannot create articles until they are 4 days old and have made 10 edits. I would recommend creating your first article in draft space and submitting it through WP:AFC so that you get feedback from experienced users. I also would not recommend trying to create a new article until you've been around for a while working on improving existing articles and are significantly familiar with the confusing maze of policies and guidelines that govern content here. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 13:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

What links here

I'd like to see this link-list [1] with links from templates like Template:Underwater diving excluded. Is that possible? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:05, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

You can select the Template namespace from the dropdown near the top and then check the box that says "Invert selection". Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:06, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

@Firefangledfeathers Thanks, but that doesn't seem to work [2]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I can't solve the general problem, but a Wikipedia search for "History of Diving Museum" finds "History of Diving Museum" plus five other articles before it starts finding articles with Template:Underwater diving. Only the first two are links. TSventon (talk) 16:41, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

That does help a bit, thanks. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

This search?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Trappist the monk, thank you, that confirms my conclusion, is Help:Searching a good place to find what you just did, or is there anything simpler? TSventon (talk) 18:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Help:Searching is how I knew to try that search. What do you mean by simpler? Simpler search, simpler documentation, simpler something else?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 18:55, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Trappist the monk I meant simpler documentation, to see if my Google search had found the simplest available explanation of what you had done. TSventon (talk) 20:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk Can you also make a search for only the unlinked "History of Diving Museum" in mainspace? I can of course briefly remove it from the template and then search. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

This search?

—Trappist the monk (talk) 11:29, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk You're a wizard, thanks! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:53, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js can search for links which are in the source and not only a transcluded template. It eliminates all templates at the same time and still finds articles which both have a link in the source and a template. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:39, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for all the helpful replies! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:07, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Josquin des Prez image scaling

In my work on Josquin des Prez for FAR, I was trying to make the lead image a little larger, as it is rather small. For FAs we're told not to use px size (I have no idea why) so I was trying to use 'upright=1.7' (or whatever number worked nicely) but for some reason this isn't altering the size of the image in preview? Aza24 (talk) 19:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Aza24. I don't think that pixel size has anything to do with the article being a candidate for FA status; rather it has to do with WP:THUMBSIZE and other MOS:ACCIM issues. Thumbnail images shouldn't really be fixed to certain pixel size because that forces the same size on all readers regardless of the device they're using or how they've set their preferences. If you want to resize an image and it's a thumbnail, you should file the guidance in MOS:UPRIGHT and scale the image instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:08, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Removal of my name

Dear Wikipedia, Due to privacy reasons I’d like my page to be deleted. The page is for Phyllis Grant. I don’t like having my personal info on the internet. I’m deleting all my presence. Please help! Phyllis Grant [redacted] to discuss. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balin80 (talk • contribs) 22:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Phillis, I have redacted your contact number: it's a bad idea to publish it in a public forum like this, particularly if you have privacy concerns. I will shortly ask an Admin to remove it from the page history where it can still be seen if someone looks. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.208.88.97 (talk) 23:14, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Ah. I find I cannot email the Oversight Team myself (not having an account or registered email). Could someone else please do it? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.208.88.97 (talk) 23:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for removing it! I thought this was a private message platform! -Phyllis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balin80 (talk • contribs) 23:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

As to removing the article, Wikipedia does not routinely do that merely at the request of the subject (which, strictly speaking, we do not at this point have proof you, Balin80, are, although I am assuming it). After all, everything in the article should be cited to published, publicly available sources. I see that it's quite lightly referenced, so someone may decide that it could be argued not to demonstrate sufficient Notability (in the sense of not having enough independent documentation to qualify for a Wikipedia article – nothing to do with your actual prominence in the Real World!), and nominate it for Deletion. I will leave such matters to editors with more experience in this field. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.208.88.97 (talk) 23:28, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Is there a way I could provide proof of who I am? At any rate, I hope it has insufficient independent documentation. I’m surprised there’s so much info on the wiki page: my age, where I live specifically, my affiliations. I am a well-known artist in Canada, yes, but it makes me feel uneasy seeing photos that someone had to really dig for posted on my wiki page from ages ago (I tried to remove it, I’m sure it’ll be added back). I enjoy wiki but I don’t think people should have access to so much of my personal life. Thanks so much for your help. I wish there was a way I could prove I’m the person in the article! -Phyllis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balin80 (talk • contribs) 23:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We publish articles about notable subjects, using information from published reliable sources. The article does not belong to you and we do not give you any permission to control the article, so there is no reason for you to prove who you are to us. However, we really do try hard to consider your privacy concerns so we insist that any information at all about a living person is properly referenced: see WP:BLP. If you or any one of us sees anything in the article that is not referenced, then we are supposed remove that information. -Arch dude (talk) 02:34, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Balin80: The Phyllis Grant article has now been nominated for deletion. The nominator said that the references are insufficient, but this is not a valid reason for deletion. I went ahead and also recommended it for deletion because there does not seem to be anything in the article that indicates that the subject is notable by our definition, which is a different issue. Note that Phyllis Grant may eventually do something that makes her notable, and it that happens, someone may create an article and she will have no control over it. -Arch dude (talk) 02:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Arch dude:, you didn't sign your post to the deletion discussion. TSventon (talk) 03:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks Arch dude! -Phyllis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balin80 (talk • contribs) 03:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok! Thank you. -Phyllis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Balin80 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused about what to do now

I reverted this edit because it looked like content removal without an adequate reason. But then the same IP reverted my edit with this edit summary:

Big Lies! Liar! Liar! That's a Big Lie! Don't Do That or You are Grounded!

(The diff is here)

Should I revert again (this is the 2nd out of three reverts if I revert again)? I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 22:53, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

@I.hate.spam.mail.here: Reverting clear cases of vandalisim or other disruptive editing would most likely be considered and exception to the three-revert rule per WP:NOT3RR; at some point, though, it might simply be better to seek assistance from an administrator at WP:AN, WP:AN3 or WP:AIV per WP:DENY. An administrator may decide to block the account in question to prevent any further disruption or may decide to protect the article instead. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

And also, does anyone know why the edit that added this section was suppressed? I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 04:20, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

When a edit is suppressed or revision deleted, there's usually a good reason for doing so that almost certainly can't be discussed in specifics on any public page. If you want to see who suppressed the edit on a page, you can usually find out by looking at the page's history or checking the page's log. In almost all cases, you find an edit summary listing to policy based reason why the edit needed to be surpressed or revision deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:33, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly,I.hate.spam.mail.here: when an edit was suppressed, it won't show in any public log entries. Suppression is logged in the non-public suppression log, which is inaccessible with exception to oversighters, arbcom, stewards, ombudsmen and some WMF staff. In this case it seems the edit had to be suppressed because someone added private data in #Removal of my name above, which was not removed until after this section was created. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:31, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying things Victor Schmidt. @I.hate.spam.mail.here: if you really want to know why an edit was suppressed, you might have to contact an WP:OVERSIGHTer directly and ask. They might only just give you a general explaination like Victor did in this case. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:38, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Got it, thanks @Marchjuly and @Victor Schmidt mobil. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 05:54, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

May 16

Need to create page for Marci Collier Overstreet

{{UserboxCOI|1=Title of your draft}

Please help me create my page with the correct name. I’ve submitted the information more than once. I need help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macmama3 (talk • contribs) 02:01, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi Macmama3. If you would like to create an article about someone named Marci Collier Overstreet, then you can try as long as Overstreet satisfies Wikipedia:Notability (people) or Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. If you feel Overstreet is Wikipedia notable, then my suggestion to you would be to first read this and this, and then start working on a draft for an article as explained here. Once you feel your draft is ready for review, you can submit it for assessment. If you are somehow personally or professionally connected to Overstreet or have been asked by Overstreet of their representatives to create such a Wikipedia article, you should also take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest for additional information that most likely applies to you. This doesn't necessarily mean that you can't try to create an article about Overstreet, but it might mean that there are more things you need to consider when doing so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:27, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Macmama3: You seemed, judging by your sandbox, to be concerned that the Wikipedia article Atlanta City Council had Overstreet's forename as Marcia rather than Marci. I've made that uncontroversial change since their website confirms that simple fact. As to whether she is notable enough for a full article, that's another question, and Marchjuly has given you good guidance. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

museumvictoria.com.au needs update to museumsvictoria.com.au

Moved to Wikipedia:Link rot/URL change requests

 – * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:40, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Changing capitalization of a redirect page

The capitalization of the redirect page Linus media group (which redirects to a section of Linus Sebastian) should be changed to Linus Media Group (this is a minor gripe). When requesting to Move the page, it warns that Linus media group will redirect to the new "Linus Media Group" and to avoid creating double redirects. To me, this seems to imply that the redirects will be Linus media group → Linus Media Group → Linus Sebastian, which should be avoided.

Am I wrong about this? Is there any problem with moving the redirect? Is it even worth the effort?

Worst Username (talk) 02:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

It's generally pointless to move redirects. A redirect at Linus Media Group pointing to the same place already exists, so there is no need to do anything. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:38, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Ok. I didn't even realize that redirect already existed. It just bugged me that the search showed the incorrectly capitalized version. But this whole thing is of very little consequence anyway. Worst Username (talk) 02:44, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia page approval

I submitted a wikipedia page for approval about 5 months ago+. How can I find out when it will become active? — Preceding unsigned comment added by CINEMA143 (talk • contribs) 06:55, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@CINEMA143 You will not like to hear this, but you didn't actually submit it. Assuming it's Draft:Eric Berger. Try this link: WP:SUBMIT. Also, Wikipedia itself and Linkedin are mostly useless as sources on WP, you should remove them and content based on them. Your hurdle is WP:BASIC, if you don't meet the demands there the article will not be accepted. If WP:COI applies to you, please follow the guidance there. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I see you did know about COI, never mind. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:25, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Does This Page Qualify For Speedy?

The article for Ammon Covino, one of the operators of SeaQuest, is nothing but a list of court cases which have been filed against him. While all the existing info is properly sourced, there's no biographical information about him, just the list of crimes. Would this be eligible for speedy as an "attack page?" Just Another Cringy Username (talk) 07:01, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

It doesn't look to me like it fits the G10 Speedy criteria. Looking at Wikipedia:Attack page, there seem to be two relatively separate ways to assess this: (1) It "exists primarily to disparage or threaten its subject". It's clearly not threatening. To say it is primarily to disparage the subject doesn't seem solid enough to speedy the article; there may simply be little notable information about him other than that determined by the courts. (2) It gives "biographical material about a living person that is entirely negative in tone and unsourced." The data may all be negative but the tone seems neutral, and in any case the data is sourced. - R. S. Shaw (talk) 01:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

References

Should references that require a subscription to view the page a reference links to, should it be allowed on Wikipedia? Toad40 (talk) 15:02, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Toad40 A paywall or any form of payment required to view a source is not a barrier to using it on Wikipedia, see WP:PAYWALL. 331dot (talk) 15:03, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Toad40 Some of the best sources out there are subscription based, e.g. scientific journals. Per WP:SOURCEACCESS Do not reject reliable sources just because they are difficult or costly to access. If you need help accessing a source there are places you can check, e.g. WikiProject Resource Exchange or The Wikipedia Library. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:21, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Companies Wiki Pages Are Still Not Up

Hi, I had a two wikipedia pages made about two months ago by this user for M3 Printing and Philadelphia Business Services. User page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Klikachova

I was just wondering how long they take to get posted (if of course they pass through moderators). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.14.201.154 (talk) 18:13, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Make sure that you are logged in before posting. 331dot (talk) 18:16, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

The last two draft by that account were declined, please monitor the drafts for comment. 331dot (talk) 18:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

And when you say you had them made, does that mean you paid that editor to create them? Joseph2302 (talk) 18:23, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Neither of those drafts demonstrates that either company meets Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). Not even close. The quality is poor. Cullen328 (talk) 19:50, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello. It sounds from your choice of words ("Companies Wiki Pages") that you have a very common misconception about Wikipedia: the idea that an article about a company (or anything else) is any way for the benefit of that company. It is not. It does not belong to the company, it is not controlled by the company, and it will not necessarily say what the company would like it to say. Please see WP:NOTPROMO and WP:PROUD. ColinFine (talk) 20:26, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

Proxy Block Immediately Changed into One Year Block

I'm an OG editor since 2003. Not prolific lately, but I used to be.

I had an IP block due to proxy. I appealed. Admin denied, saying "no, you have a proxy". I realized I was using Apple Private Relay. I turned it off.

I'm still blocked, but now it says "blocked for 1 year" unrelated to IP. I guess that's a vandalism block. Can't imagine why I'd get that.

I'm not sure what's going on, and don't want to bug the admins again after they heard and rejected my appeal. Anyone have an idea? FWIW, no notices of any kind were posted on my "talk" page. O. Pen Sauce (talk) 18:42, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@O. Pen Sauce: It doesn't look like your account itself has ever been blocked. Perhaps you should talk to whichever administrator you were talking to? It doesn't seem you've done so here on Wikipedia if I'm going by your recent contributions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:18, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Thanks! I wasn't really "talking" to an admin, I just got a high-handed verdict on my appeal (I understand...the people handling them are overwhelmed). However, suddenly, editing works. No idea why!O. Pen Sauce (talk) 19:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

@O. Pen Sauce: your non-proxy IP may be blocked and you might've been logged out briefly without realizing. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:47, 16 May 2022 (UTC)

May 17

Birth date and age template

Hello. Will the birth date and age template automatically update the age. I have seen multiple infoboxes without an updated age. Cherrell410 (talk) 01:28, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, it calculates the age automatically. Infoboxes without an updated age are probably not using a template but instead just put in the age at the time as text. MB 03:00, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@Cherrell410:If you think you have seen a problem then please always give an example. The English Wikipedia uses UTC so the age changes at midnight UTC on the birthday, not local time of the subject. Pages are cached so if the page is not edited or purged, it may show the old age for a while. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:17, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

DYK problem

I recently nominated an article about Enkeli-Elisa for WP:DYK at Template:Did you know nominations/Enkeli-Elisa, about a story of a 15-year-old girl who committed suicide because she had been bullied at school, which turned out to be a hoax, but the DYK process ran into problems. What do I need to do next to make the DYK process complete? JIP | Talk 01:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

It looks like the nomination was created, but just not listed at Template talk:Did you know. I have added it there manually. Wikipedia talk:Did you know is the place for DYK discussions. I would recommend using it in the future if you have more DYK questions. MB 03:10, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Commandant

This new photo of Commandant Patrick Denis is way too big - also ref number 7 is all wrong. Please fix if you have the time. I cannot 115.70.23.77 (talk) 04:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

OK, I've done some fixes at Commandant.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

my 1st article just not approved

hi how are you everyone.

    i write a new article about education i am new here and try to learn .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Metropolitan_International_United_College

the above link is my draft article which is not approved i just copy past things from website in start then i remove that things now i didn't find any link that support this article so i want to known should i stop doing thing on Wikipedia. and if i see some other article that have same links newspaper but they are approved so why this things happen . see below example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riphah_International_University — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creativewriting498 (talk • contribs) 05:59, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Creativewriting498, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Please don't stop editing Wikipedia - new editors are always welcome. But, as the English saying goes, "don't run before you can walk". Creating a new article is one of the hardest jobs there is, especially for a new editor. I remember when I was a new editor, 17 years ago, how I desperately wanted to find a subject I could write an article about, to "make my mark". Now I know that, not only is creating a new article difficult, but there are far far far more valuable ways to help improve Wikipedia. We have over six million articles: thousands and thousands of them are terrible, and could be improved by any editor who takes the time and trouble.

My recommendation is that you put aside the idea of creating an article for at least a few months, and work on learning how Wikipedia works, by finding articles that interest you and making small improvements. If you can't think of any, have a look at the WP:task center.

When you are ready to have another go at creating an article, please start by reading your first article. Note that you must not copy material from another website or publication, and that Wikipedia is not intereste in what the subject of an article, or their associates, say about them, but only in what people unconnected with the subject have published about them. Happy editing! ColinFine (talk) 09:58, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

thank for give some motivations what the point why this article is approved what reference in this are natural https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riphah_International_University Creativewriting498 (talk) 11:15, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Alan Wakeman saxophonist entry

Hello,

I have tried to edit this entry for a minor change: Mr. Wakeman's domain name has changed recently. The new domain name is: alanwakeman.org

However, when I changed it, the entire profile box with the picture disappeared. I would be grateful for help on this matter.

With many thanks, Angela Jianu — Preceding unsigned comment added by AWAJsax (talk • contribs) 06:30, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

 Done, AWAJsax, I fixed the official website link as clicking the old link made it clear the link was now directing to a different website. The reason the infobox disappeared when you first edited was because you accidently removed the closing markup for the infobox. By closing markup, I'm referring to the brackets at the bottom of section. Cmr08 (talk) 07:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@AWAJsax I also updated the official website at Wakeman's Wikidata entry. GoingBatty (talk) 13:32, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

It did not existed. We have a very large numbers of readers from Romania, a country extremely religious

Hello

I am trying to add our website to Wiki but I don't want to spam the website due to my inability to create the page.(LongCovid)

The website is named Click Romania - the link is www.clickromania.co.uk

We are a Romanian/European/British publishing organization online (we don't print anymore)

Thank you in advance, and when I get better, I will help editing articles about the Romanian history and architecture. Sorry for my Oxford comma :)

Regards A.M — Preceding unsigned comment added by ClickRomaniaUK (talk • contribs) 06:39, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi ClickRomaniaUK. Since you seem quite new to Wikipedia, you might be misunderstanding some important things about Wikipedia. Please take a look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not for some general information about the kind of content deemed appropriate to write about on Wikipedia. You also appear to have been adding content about your organization to some Wikipedia articles. For this reason, I suggest that you take a close look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Finally, there is a problem with your choice of user name since names which are seen to represent a company, organization, group, wesbite, etc. are not allowed for the reasons given here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:40, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Adding a parameter to a template

{{Infobox windmill}} currently does not support alt text for images. This is something I'd like to rectify. I've tried editing the template documentation without success but it hasn't worked. Assistance in this matter is welcome. Mjroots (talk) 07:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Mjroots as that template is protected, you'd need to ask at Template talk:Infobox windmill. You can add {{Edit template-protected}} to the top of the request you make there, so it'll be picked up more quickly. I agree that alt text should be used in all infoboxes including this one. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:27, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@Joseph2302:, if the template was unprotected, could you make the change? I can temporarily unprotect it if that is the case. Mjroots (talk) 11:38, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Help desk
This windmill has alt text

@Mjroots and Joseph2302: Looking at the code, the template has supported an alt text parameter named "alt" since 2014. If you're happy with that parameter name, it's just a matter of adding it to the documentation. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@John of Reading and Joseph2302: If this edit has worked, there should now be alt text at the image of Pitstone Windmill. Mjroots (talk) 11:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Editing the template documentation cannot change the function of the template. But this version of Pitstone Windmill sets the "alt" parameter, matching the name of the one in the template code, and it does have alt text. -- John of Reading (talk) 11:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@John of Reading:, so the current version of the article has working alt text? I'm not getting anything when I hover the mouse over the image (that is what is supposed to happen, isn't it?). Mjroots (talk) 12:19, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Yes, the current version has alt text. The effect of that depends on your browser and your Wikipedia gadgets. I have popups enabled, and hovering over the image shows me load of information, including the alt text. Or, I can ask my browser to show me the HTML source of the page and search within it for the expected alt text. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:29, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@Mjroots: No, that isn't what's meant to happen. Browsers used to display alt text as a tooltip, but newer ones seem not to. That's not surprising as that's not what alt text is for. If you want some explanatory text with an image, it should be included as a caption. If you want to see if an image has alt text, some browsers will let you right-click any part of a web page to Inspect it. Bazza (talk) 15:20, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Citations

Hello and Greetings,

I have a question on citations, I am trying to make references as to where i can not make sfn's and book citations together with web citations or links on headings for wiki articles. Can you help me try to resolve this?

Best Regards, Surix321 (talk) 12:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Surix321, can you clarify what you mean? Sungodtemple (talk) 13:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Of course, So basically. I am trying to make a references heading on a Wikipedia page with a few sub headings. One for sfns in a subheading separately in reflist for example and for other citations in a separate sub heading. Lastly the final subheading with cite books which I already know how to do.I’m trying to separate sfns and link citations. Surix321 (talk) 13:16, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Technical request: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Drew Russell

Resolved

any ideas what ran amok here? I thought it was the brackets in tq, but switching to itals didn't fix it,nor did manually replacing page name with the article title. Should I CSD the AfD and renom? Thanks for any tech insight. Star Mississippi 13:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@Star Mississippi: Looking at the page, it seems like the {{tq}} templates, which were wrongly formatted, messed up with the substituted afd template, which led it to missing the "pg" argument. Hopefully, it's been fixed now. Isabelle ^🏳‍🌈 13:39, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Indeed, thanks so much @Isabelle Belato. I either need more coffee or to not use tq within twinkle. Probably the former. Star Mississippi 13:57, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Tree chart trouble

To whoever reads this, I have been having trouble with the creation of tree charts in my sandbox as a select few of them have refused to process, such as this one: file:///home/chronos/u-3821fcbfa6971ad4feffb304246101848acb7580/MyFiles/Downloads/Screenshot%202022-05-17%209.45.05%20AM.png, and I would like it to be resolved if possible. Is it because there is a limited amount of space I can add to my sandbox or is it an error in the code? I have been searching for quite some time and I haven't found I solution to a problem as specific as mine. Any help would be greatly appreciated! (talk) 10:05, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

@GOMUL13: You have reached a template limit. Also, URL's starting with file:// point to files residing on your local computer and only work for you. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 15:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! Sorry about the file.png, I wasn't sure about that and I'm sorry for any confusion! GOMUL13 (talk) 18:42, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Captcha over and over again

Hello, please help! I have been trying to update an article, I edit a paragraph, cite it thoroughly, click “publish changes”, describe the changes, and then get stuck in a captcha loop where it asks me to do the captcha, I do it, and it just gives me a new one…over and over again until I give up. Can you help me understand what is going on and how to move forward with my edits, which I have retyped about 5 or 6 times now? Thank you for your help! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 3goatfarm (talk • contribs) 15:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 3goatfarm. I'm not 100% certain, but I think that you are getting the Captcha because 1) your account is not yet WP:autoconfirmed and 2) you are trying to add external links (or perhaps save something that already has external links) that Wikipedia thinks might be spam. The immediate answer is to remove the suspect external links - though as I say, they may already be there in the material you are editing. If so, you can still remove them, if you are able to identify them. If you are not introducing external links yourself, then I suggest editing individual sections and see if that helps.

In three days and two more edits, you will be autoconfirmed, and I think it won't trouble you thereafter.

However - I see that you edited an archived post on WP:Help desk/Archives/2012 December 27 - please don't do this, ever! The person you were responding to will probably never see your question anyway. If you want to reopen an archived post, please make a new post on the appropriate page (here, WP:Help desk) and link to the archived post you are referencing (as WP:Help desk/Archives/2012 December 27#CAPTCHA/Updating James H Fetzer). ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello, 3goatfarm! You might be making the same error I did when I first encountered Wikipedia's CAPTCHA system. After you have entered the requested text, you then have to scroll down to the "Publish" button and click it. Do not click the "Refresh" button next to the CAPTCHA box! That requests a different CAPTCHA target because you couldn't read the previous one. Hope this helps! {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.208.88.97 (talk) 23:35, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Cite book issues

Hi. Are there any workarounds to the {{cite book}} template not being able to use the |title-link and |url parameters at the same time? Thanks. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:12, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

No. When you use both |url= and |title-link= you are asking the template to link one parameter, |title=, to two different targets. Because cs1|2 can't do that, it defaults to linking |title= with |url= and emits the error message:

{{cite book |title=Title |url=//example.com |title-link=Title}}

Title. {{cite book}}: URL–wikilink conflict (help)

If you can link to a chapter or section then you can do this:

{{cite book |chapter=Chapter |title=Title |chapter-url=//example.com |title-link=Title}}

"Chapter". Title.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:21, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

I think the chapter solution is workable. Thanks! ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 17:35, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Is there a list of articles with templates like "more references needed" at the top?

Do the various tags which say things like "this article is terrible, there are multiple things wrong with it, it's written wrong and it's biased and one of the sources is bad" cause the articles needing attention to accumulate on a list somewhere?  Card Zero  (talk) 22:34, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Yes, they generally automatically add the article to certain hidden categories. For example {{More citations needed}} says This template adds the article to Category:Articles needing additional references from May 2022, and Category:All articles needing additional references, both hidden categories. ColinFine (talk) 22:54, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Oh wow. OK. I just did a quick survey by pressing "random article" until I'd accumulated a data set of 10, and the average age of these tags seems to be six years, and I think something should be done. So I'm going to attack that list and fix them all single-handedly, maybe.  Card Zero  (talk) 23:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)

Then I suggest you open a new user account: User:Sisyphus or perhaps User:Wikiphus. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:26, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

If I do one every waking hour, it should only take me 72 years, and then I can move on to Category:articles that may contain original research. I guess the trend here in practical reality is that they only get removed from articles which some editor notices, and cares about at least a little, and every unloved article will eventually be decorated with some tag or other which will stay there forever.  Card Zero  (talk) 08:15, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Go for it! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Duty calls! --Orange Mike | Talk 12:31, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

May 18

special interest making edits

I have added my patent information to a section regarding secure passive optical network https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passive_optical_network, no different as you have Thomas Edison as the inventor of the light bulb. It was even cited the US Patent number and a link to such patent (https://patents.google.com/patent/US9490929?oq=christopher+badinelli) Unfortunately you have a industry bot Zac67 who is removing content in so called good faith but allowing marketing material for industry companies promoting this technology. It is clear that (he/him/she/her/them) is not acting in good faith but as an industry operative. This clearly diminishes the view of wikipedia as a source for un bias content and information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbadinelli (talk • contribs) 15:46, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@Cbadinelli: If you are indeed the patent owner, you shouldn't be editing the article directly as you have a conflict of interest (which should be disclosed), and I support Zac67's actions. Please discuss this on the article's talk page and don't edit war. As it stands right now this looks like self-promotion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:07, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Zac67 has been a Wikipedia editor for nearly 17 years and has made significant contributions to information technology articles. Zac67 has never been blocked. Accusing them of not acting in good faith but as an industry operative without evidence is a violation of Wikipedia's behavioral guideline Assume good faith. I have page blocked Cbadinelli from editing Passive optical network, although they can make well-referenced Edit requests on the article talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 16:26, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Do you honestly think it matter that he has been editing for 17 years, post publicly what company he works for in his profile. Cbadinelli (talk) 16:36, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't see where Zac67 posted where he works on his user page. The most I see are userboxes that describe what he does. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Where precisely does Zac67 disclose their employer on Wikipedia? Provide a link. Cullen328 (talk) 16:41, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I read that as Cbadinelli's (intrusive and unreasonable) demand that Zac67 out himself. --ColinFine (talk) 17:50, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

It should be important to your readers and content providers be aware of any conflict of interest. It's fine to bean expert, but in the context of whimsically removing content as "good faith" deserves explanation. Or only some inventors being removed as "self promotion" even with collaborating documentation and others not puts into question and the legitimacy and accuracy of the content of wikipedia. So i don't find it to be unreasonable if say the person editing works for one of the Companies that are also listed in this content "It is marketed to the US military by companies such as Telos Corporation.and the 4 others cited as "marketing". Cbadinelli (talk) 18:20, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

If it's any consolation, the article could benefit from a cleanup. Some stuff does come off as promotional and the citations seem more primary than reliably secondary, but adding your own content doesn't help the issue. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Cbadinelli I don't have to disclose anything here, apart from WP:COI. I'm not working anywhere near of what you are alleging, nor do I have any affiliation in that direction. I'm fine with disclosing any such information to WP admins if need be, but see no reason doing so openly. Please take a step back, sleep on it for a night, study the linked policies and guidelines, and try to find reason. If you add substantial, reasonable, notable and sourced edit requests to the talk page I'll do my best integrating them, at my discretion. --Zac67 (talk)

YT Link in External Link section

In Château Rouge I found a YT Link in the external links section of this article. I've been told that Wikipedia articles can't use YT links as references, but are YT links allowed to be in the External links section? Toad40 (talk) 16:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

It should not be copyrighted material per WP:YOUTUBE, and the video probably isn't. It should also be interesting and informative enough to meet WP:EL, and it probably is. So it seems OK.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:10, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@Toad40, it's not quite that simple, for example CNN:s YT channel is as reliable as CNN elswhere. YT can be WP:ABOUTSELF, like Twitter and FB, it depends. See WP:RSPYT. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:51, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Much of the material on YouTube is infringing copyright, and may not be linked to. Much else on YouTube is not reliably published, and should not be linked to. But there is not a blanket ban. See WP:YOUTUBE. ColinFine (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Like the rest of the internet. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Per the above, it's not as simple as "YouTube links are allowed" or "YouTube links are not allowed". YouTube is a platform, not a source. It does not make content, it is a platform where content creators post their content. The appropriateness of any one YouTube video needs to be assessed on its own, per WP:RS, WP:ELYES, and other Wikipedia policies. The simplest way to think of it is this: If the YouTube video is posted by an account that would indicate that it's appropriate for Wikipedia, then it's appropriate for Wikipedia. If it's posted by an account run by some rando that no one knows about, then that's not appropriate. Don't link copyvios, don't link unreliable bullshit, but if a reliable source is publishing on YouTube, you can link that YouTube video. --Jayron32 17:57, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

For example, I used a YT video as a source in Barack Obama. But of course YT wasn't the source, Associated Press was the source. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:03, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Exactly. YouTube has become the default place for all sources to publish video material, and many hundreds of reliable sources (news sources, scientific organizations, etc. etc.) all use it as such. YouTube videos published by those sources on their own official YT accounts are probably valid. Also would be WP:ABOUTSELF-type citations to the confirmed accounts of the subjects of articles. --Jayron32 18:22, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Query on when to use a primary source

The Global Accessibility Awareness Day article states that the idea for the event was sparked by a blog post, and this is backed up by the official website. Currently there isn't a source that references that statement, but I was wondering if it would be appropriate to site the post mentioned in this case, even though using primary sources isn't usually done. Neither the blog or the post in question is written by me.

Also, when I tried to do this earlier, it triggered an edit filter, which is fair enough since it's a wordpress.com blog, so I assume I could just ignore that?

I'm asking here instead of the article talk page as it's not exactly the most active. KaraLG84 (talk) 18:41, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Hi KaraLG84 Since the blog is on the GAAD website at this URL, that looks to me like a perfectly good secondary source for the blog in a cite web style of citation, which won't trigger an edit filter. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:16, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks. I'll use that then. KaraLG84 (talk) 21:25, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: someone else has added the blog post as a citation. Not sure if to leave it as is or use the GAAD about page as you suggested. I don't want to inadvertently start an edit war. KaraLG84 (talk) 21:30, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

And we should probably move this to the talk page. KaraLG84 (talk) 21:31, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

I don't think it would be controversial to use both the blog post and the GAAD citation in the article, since they are complementary and both relevant. Just make the change and only discuss on that TP if someone objects. Mike Turnbull (talk) 22:00, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Israel in the Eurovision

In the 'Commentators and spokespersons' section, the period of 1985-2017 should have the 'No commentator' once, and centered, but I don't know how to edit it without ruining the table. Can someone please assist me? KobiNew (talk) 20:39, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

@KobiNew  Done by changing the 1985 rowspan value (12 rows + 1 row + 20 rows = 33) and removing the redundancy from the other rows. GoingBatty (talk) 21:21, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

How do I report Editor Abuses

I am reporting Editors Alabama and Black Wolf

They removed posts on opposing views of black holes.

Pointing out things like use of blurry photos when Hubble and James Web telescope is available and black hole fanatics picking out blurry photos and claiming it as proof.

I have Special Contributor status. They seem to be fanatical about black holes and threatened vandalism for pointed these flaws out.

73.118.175.67 (talk) 22:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC) Tae Hyun Song (Special Contributor)

I'm not familiar with what "Special Contributor" is or what it confers upon you. I suggest you read WP:BOOMERANG. 331dot (talk) 22:09, 18 May 2022 (UTC)

Looking at this post, you should read WP:FRINGE. If you continue pushing the idea that black holes are fake, you will be blocked for vandalism. That's not abuse, that's us having standards (which include summarizing professionally-published mainstream sources) and not letting you break them. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:15, 18 May 2022 (UTC)