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Roman Gujarati Numerals considered as numeral

Dear friends,

As such I started editing wikipedia (en, gu, hi) in 2009. But due to the scarcity of time, I took a long pause and recently, I started it again. So, in a way I am a new. A difficulty I am facing is the numeral used in template 586.7 kilometres (365 mi) that converts km to mile. But I want input and output to use ૧૨૩૪૫૬૭૮૯૦ this gujarati numerals. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 17:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@dineshjk: that is very unlikely to be considered. most editors will not know what gujarati numerals are, and will be confused when they see them. ltbdl (talk) 17:07, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ltbdl Note that en.wikipedia is not the only version. While en.wikipedia readers may not be familiar with these numerals, readers of other Wikimedia projects may be. Dr. Karia is active at several non-English Wikimedia sites, including Gujarati Wikitionary. Possibly, they came here to the en.wiki Teahouse because they felt their question would be seen by more people than on some obscure Gujarati Wikitionary talk page.

Unfortunately, I don't have the answer to Dr. Karia's question - I just wanted to point out that it is a relevant question that should not be dismissed. Pecopteris (talk) 17:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ltbdl Thanks for seconding my idea. Yes I mean that for gu.wikipedia.org. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 19:05, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@dineshjk, do you need the output in these specific numerals for use on the other wikiprojects you mentioned? The {{convert}} template is available in many projects, so the output (numerals) would adapt, I think. Or is my answer way off? Then I apologize! --Maresa63 ^Talk 18:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Maresa63 No Sir, your answer is very much on the line of my point. Thaks for your anser. Yes, I want the change in the local version of convert on gu.wikipedia.org. My question did not intend to ask for a change in the en.wikipedia at all. Since, I do not know how to make those changes, I asked the question her to bring it to the notice of more experts. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 19:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dineshjk, that's a she/her you're calling sir. Valereee (talk) 20:59, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Valereee and @Maresa63 Extremely sorry for being gender specific and that to quite opposite to what she is. I beg pardon. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 08:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

No need to apologize! Maresa63 ^Talk 09:55, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

It's hard to see why this is relevant to English Wikipedia. Templates (such as {{convert}}) are local to a particular Wikipedia: altering the template in en-wiki will have no effect on a similar template in gu-wiki and vice versa.

If you seriously want to argue the case for a template in en-wiki generating Gujerati numerals, the place to argue it is the talk page of that template, eg Template talk:convert. ColinFine (talk) 18:52, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear @ColinFine I am sorry for not being clear to you in my original question. Let me be clear that I asked this question here because I wanted to reach more expert with my question. I do not intend to propose any change in the template convert in en.wikipedia but I want to make changes in the corresponding local version on gu.wikipedia. Unaware of how to make change, I asked it here. I hope I am clear. Thanks for your time and bringing clarity to my question. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 19:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Dineshjk: To request a change to gu-wiki, you'll have to ask there. You could start a talk page for gu:ઢાંચો:Convert, or ask at whatever their equivalent is for a Teahouse or Help desk. GoingBatty (talk) 02:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

OK Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 08:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi, Dinesh. Convert uses a module written in Lua, and Lua's tonumber() is likely limited to 0–9,A-Z. It appears Gujarati numerals use the same base-10 positional system as westernised hindu-arabic, so one good approach could be to create a separate template/module that replaces Gujarati digits with western ones, then feed the results of that into Convert. (Or vice-versa.) You could then also re-use the digit-replacer for other purposes.

Nesting ten #replace seems ugly but could work. Or the equivalent with Lua gsub(). Maybe WP:VPT could advise more, or a template-focused wikiproject? ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 11:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pelagic Thanks. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 13:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

you can use a translator website बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:26, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@बिनोद थारू Thanks for your answer. But the words "translator website" are not sufficient to describe what is in your mind. I think while typing your answer, if you would have thought you would have realized that the answer leads to nowhere. Dr. Dinesh Karia^{(Talk) (contribs)} 07:00, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding template within ref tags in VE

Hi. Template:Creative Commons text attribution notice is usually placed within <ref> tags. Is there a way to put a template inside ref tags in Visual Editor? Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 17:58, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Coming here after a long time. Recently at Wikimania, I captured this interesting image that relates to VisualEditor. ─ The Aafī (talk) 18:06, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

@Clayoquot Yes but it is tedious and much easier in the source editor. In VE, I think that you would need first to do the citation and then use the drop-down "Insert" menu to choose "Template", then type in the first part of the name of the template until the software offers the template you require. The next part in the case you want is to fill in the parameters, which can get very fiddly! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:59, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the chuckle TheAafi and thanks for the answer Mike. This user experience is awful. Beyond the fiddlyness of it, it doesn't even work - the template ends up in the body rather than in the references section. What is the best way to complain to the WMF about the technology for citing sources? Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 14:20, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Clayoquot You can use this link [1] to file a bug report in phabricator. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 14:18, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

General feedback can be given here. To be honest, I think you would be better to give up VE and use the source editor, as I believe most serious contributors do. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:21, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, both of these suggestions are helpful. I'm fine with the source editor myself, but when I'm training others they might find this difficult. And this might be a question more for wp:VPT but would it be possible to just add some parameters about licensing to Template:Citation so there isn't a need to put templates inside of templates? Clayoquot (talk | contribs) 18:05, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Adding national flower to Nigeria

I observed that the national flower of Nigeria is an information that should be on the info box of the Nation's wiki page, but I can't seem to edit nd add that information. Any help? ReoMartins (talk) 06:04, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@ReoMartins Hi, I can't find a parameter on the infobox country called national flower or something of that like. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:44, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

The info box is intended to summarize basic key information about the country. Its national flower is of comparatively little consequence. It isn't even mentioned in our list of national flowers. If you can cite a reliable source you could add it somewhere else in the Nigeria article. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Shantavira I wonder why it wasn't there though. I have added it now. Many thanks for pointing it out. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 08:17, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

I live in California, where we are very proud of Eschscholzia californica, also known as the Golden Poppy, which is our state flower. We also have great affection for the Golden trout (also known as Oncorhynchus mykiss aguabonita) which is our state fish. We are also exceptionally fond of the California quail (also known as Callipepla californica), which is our state bird. And so on. But none of that appears in the California infobox, because it is not essential information. Instead, that content is covered in List of California state symbols, which also informs us that rice is the official state grain. Given the extensive rice fields that dominate much of the Northern Sacramento Valley, this is not surprising, even though I think of it infrequently . I recommend a similar structure for Nigerian national symbols. Cullen328 (talk) 08:29, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@ReoMartins The fact is that we already do this every which way, e.g. we have articles for a specific type of national symbol (List of national fruits) and we have articles for national symbols generically for a specific country (National symbols of Ecuador), and sometimes we may have an article section that covers this, and sometimes we may even have a narrow class of symbols for a specific country (List of Indonesian floral emblems, National flower of the Republic of China). Additionally, we have articles for a specific type of symbol that allows listings for all countries (such as List of national birds). We also have "lists of lists" (Lists of national symbols). And in some cases, we have lists of a specific type of symbol for a country's territories (e.g. List of U.S. state songs). Occasionally, this information even appears in an infobox (e.g. Kentucky)! Fabrickator (talk) 16:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

I really find the info box for Kentucky quite comprehensive and interesting. It would be nice that as an encyclopedia, we are able to contribute information about certain topics as long as it is a notable one. To which i believe that countries would do well to include national symbols on their respective info boxes to interest page visitors as a vital information. Speaking from my region, a lot of us here are ignorant of the fact that certain national symbols exists, just like a national plant. Hence, my suggestion for it to be included and ultimately advancing the objectives of the movement - promoting knowledge. ReoMartins (talk) 12:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q1033&diff=1973130123&oldid=1968008491 ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 17:16, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Page not showing up on google.

I everyone, there's a not-for-profit organisation based out of Pakistan that I created the wikipedia page for. It's called Balochistan Youth Action Committee. However, when I google I can't see the wikipedia page come up. Anything I have missed here? Appreciate the help. The organisation is working in some of the most challenging terrains of Pakistan's south western Balochistan Province. Tribal Explorer (talk) 07:22, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

It’s too new, so Google hasn’t indexed it yet. nothing anyone can do about it. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 07:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Tribal Explorer, welcome to the Teahouse. The above reply is inaccurate. It's a new article which hasn't been patrolled by a Wikipedia editor with the required permission so it still has noindex, meaning we don't allow external search engines like Google to index it. See Wikipedia:Controlling search engine indexing#Indexing of articles ("mainspace"). When it's patrolled or 90 days old, it's up to Google. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:26, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @PrimeHunter, this is useful information. Thank you for sharing the Wikipedia Controlling Search Engine information. Tribal Explorer (talk) 12:13, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tribal Explorer You can check the size of the backlog at WP:NPP, which also gives some additional general information. A couple of comments: the "Mission" section is very generic. What does the organisation or the people it "empowers" actually do? Also, you have linked to the DAB page Qalat when a more correct target would be better. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Michael D. Turnbull, Super feedback - thank you. Improved it with references that I could find from the internet. Tribal Explorer (talk) 10:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Tribal Explorer That section is now better but still uses PR-speak. Please read this about the word "solution". Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

View sources

Hello! This may be a dumb question but I have been reading many artical like the History of Luxembourg and German occupation of Luxembourg during World War I, I have seen many sources that are cited as “Thewes (2003), p. 72” how can I view the book or source that was cited? LuxembourgLover (talk) 22:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

In that particular case of German occupation of Luxembourg during World War I, there is a note at the top of the footnotes section that reads Links to many of the cited primary sources, including speeches, telegrams, and despatches, can be found in the 'References' section. - that particular source does have an entry with a link there. Sometimes, a book may not have a link provided, and in that case it is up to you how to find it - you may be able to use your local library, or it may be available in digital form online, and possibly freely through the Wikipedia library. Tollens (talk) 22:40, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

LuxembourgLover, in this case, the source you seek is freely available on the web; all you have to do is click the title, and it will download a 238-page pdf which you can read at your leisure. Previously, that ref had the correct url—and still does—but it was a dead link, requiring the addition of internet archive params for the citation title link to work correctly; I've added it for you, so all you have to do is click the title. Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 07:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Grammar mistakes

How do I make sure there is no grammar mistakes when I write a page? 5002 Reset (talk) 23:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

You could paste what you have written into a Word doc or a Google doc. Or you could use Grammarly or similar. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 23:38, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

"Hi.." wasn't an informative or helpful title, so I changed it. ¶ None of NightWolf1223's methods will ensure that there are no grammar mistakes. They might reduce the likelihood of mistakes, but that's all. Another way to reduce the likelihood is to read aloud what you have written, to adjust it till it no longer sounds strange, and only then to "publish" it. -- Hoary (talk) 00:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

5002 Reset, I'm sure you've heard about ChatGPT and other large language models. One uncontroversial thing that AI is great for, is writing grammatically, or copyediting raw text to make sure the grammar is correct. I suggest you try signing up for a free account on one of them, and ask it to copyedit your text, and then you can be sure there will be no grammar mistakes. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 07:26, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

but then you'd need to take at least one good look at what's actually written there, so it doesn't try to add anything weird, like overly descriptive promotional gibberish, needlessly complicated words, or fake sources

from my somewhat limited experience, the best you can actually do with one without accidentally butchering your own work is seeing how phrases can be written

handle your chatbots with care, kids cogsan • (give me attention) • (see my deeds) 11:28, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

NightWolf1223 Grammarly is a useless app created by Ukrainians, who use American as the priority, and claim English words are spelt incorrectly. Danstarr69 (talk) 19:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Page view graphs don’t work

The page view graphs you can put on a user page don’t work “due to technical issues.” When will this be fixed? Langshidank (talk) 05:25, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Langshidank,

Unfortunately, there is no firm ETA on the graph tool being re-enabled. The main technical ticket for that seems to be Phabricator: T334940. DMacks (talk) 05:33, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Until then, how can I find out which users have the most page watchers? Langshidank (talk) 05:37, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Langshidank I don't know of a specific way to find that out but #1 will be User:Jimbo. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:52, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Langshidank Do you want to know the number of people watching a page (i.e. the number of people who have the page saved in their watchlist) or the number of people who've viewed the page?

To find the first click on the "page information" button in the tools menu, and look for the "number of page watchers" entry in the table.

To get a graph of page views go to https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/ 163.1.15.238 (talk) 13:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Request

I’d like to become administrator on Wikipedia! Jursaniko (talk) 08:05, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Jursaniko Take the time to read Wikipedia:Administrators#Becoming_an_administrator very carefully. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:17, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Jursaniko, to become an admin you'll need a long record of competent and trustworthy editing. So, avoid edits like this in which you falsified sourced data without explanation. Maproom (talk) 08:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

OP now blocked. -- Hoary (talk) 12:00, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Helping with draft article Kate Hayllar

I have edited this draft to help to get it accepted. But I don't know if these changes will get back to the editor who said it needed improvement. Could this be arranged. BFP1 (talk) 09:48, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@BFP1 The WP:AfC process doesn't rely on the same reviewer taking another look. If you are convinced that you have overcome the issues they mentioned, then just resubmit Draft:Kate Hayllar using the big blue button within the decline notice and the draft will go back into the review process. Before you do that, please remove the two external links to auction houses in the text in the last section. They could be turned into citations. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:46, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you Michael. BFP1 (talk) 15:23, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for further help — Preceding unsigned comment added by BFP1 (talk • contribs) 17:25, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Need help with an article

I want to create an article for a football club near me. I have information about the club, I just don't possess the skills to create a new article. Can anyone help? Yourlocalmackem (talk) 12:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Replied at your talkpage. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:35, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

You can head over to WP:Article wizard to start. Professor Penguino (talk) 04:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Biography help

Folks, Craig Newmark here. I've been looking for editors to help me reorganize the Philanthropy section of the article about me, and am a bit confused on how to proceed. A while back, an editor suggested that the section needed to be restructured into subsections. I made a draft and tried the COI edit request queue and was told to establish consensus before making an edit request. Following that, I asked at Biographies of living persons and an editor said that wasn't the place to ask for help and suggested WP:BLPN. BLPN seems like it's for more serious situations than reorganizing existing content. Instead, I tried at WikiProject Biography but have not heard back. Hoping someone here might have a suggestion for what I should do? Much thanks, Cnewmark (talk) 13:20, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cnewmark: Hi there! Reading Talk:Craig Newmark#Philanthropy section reorganization and additions, I see that Spintendo wrote "The COI editor is of course welcome to seek a more broader consensus from local editors here on the talk page" (emphasis added). The "editors engaged in the subject area" would be available on the article talk page. I suggest continuing the conversation on the article talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 13:40, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

article is appropriate for inclusion

Hello Wikipedia, Please, I believe that article is appropriate for inclusion in Wikipedia and has now met all the requirements. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:197.148.73.155 Lo9999* (talk) 14:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Lo9999*: Welcome to the Teahouse. You or someone else has already submitted the draft twice for review; once is enough. A reviewer will get to it eventually. It is also in the wrong namespace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:13, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Lo9999* The draft has been submitted for review and is now among those being considered. There are a large number of other drafts also awaiting review, some much longer than yours. The Talk Page of an IP is an odd place for a Draft, which would be better if moved to Draft:BJ Sam or similar. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:15, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

It's probably there due to numerous past issues with UPEs promoting this person - see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rubiesar/Archive. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 14:32, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

.... And numerous times the title at Draft:BJ Sam has been deleted. I'll comment on the current draft. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

No need. The draft has now been rejected. @Lo9999* This means "give up, Wikipedia will not accept an article about this person". in case you are in any doubt. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:51, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

 Note: OP has been blocked as a sockpuppet. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

xtools.wmflabs.org not working

xtools.wmflabs.org is not working for me. I usually use it for if I want to look for edits my be for a page. Cwater1 (talk) 15:01, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Cwater1: Hi there! You're not the only one experiencing this issue - see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#XTools not working. GoingBatty (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Oh okay. I just I inform the teahouse about it. Hopefully something can be fixed. Thanks and good luck. Cwater1 (talk) 17:15, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

The problem got fixed. Cwater1 (talk) 14:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Citations when editing

Hello, I wanted to come here and ask if there's a command to enter citations when editing an article, or if theres a wikipedia page for this question. Like if I added something on an article that is important to the topic of the article and I wanted to add a citation for it, how would I do it? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 16:12, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

The exact method varies depending on what editor and what kind of citation you want to add. Help:Referencing for beginners is probably what you want to read. WelpThatWorked (talk) 16:43, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll take a look at the link you provided me. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 17:27, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@WelpThatWorked: Welcome to the Teahouse! There's also a video at WP:EASYREFBEGIN that you might find helpful. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:42, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Archiving the source

Recently i used a YouTube video as source in Bijaya Kumar Maurya. Can anyone help me in archiving it. The source no. 8 Admantine123 (talk) 18:10, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Typically, YouTube is not considered a reliable source because anyone can make a YouTube video and say whatever they want. The exception is if a reliable news source posted a YouTube video, in which case it can be usually be used as a source. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Just checked the source. It's an interview, which means it can only be used to establish basic, uncontroversial fact. Read Wikipedia:Interviews, it can explain it better than I can. Also, I guess I ignored your initial question; What do you mean by "archiving" the source? Industrial Insect (talk) 18:40, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Yes, i used it only for uncontroversial basic information about the subject Admantine123 (talk) 20:44, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Admantine123: Hi there! I've seen many YouTube videos archived at Ghost Archive. You can go to https://ghostarchive.org/ to check if it's already been archived, and request it be archived if it hasn't been already. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Let me try Admantine123 (talk) 20:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Can you visit the article to check whether I have done it properly or not. I submitted the link for Archival and included the archived link in my reference. Check it pls at the article Admantine123 (talk) 20:53, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Admantine123: Your edit to add the archive was fine, except you forgot the edit summary. I fixed other parameters of the reference in this edit. GoingBatty (talk) 03:28, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I want to look for the bibliography of Oliver Tambo

looking for bibliography of Oliver Tambo 41.116.178.4 (talk) 19:45, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You have already asked this at the Help Desk. Please keep an eye on your question there, as it has been replied to. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:04, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

I need help with a box!

Ok, so I want a box like here, List of Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug & Cat Noir episodes if you go to the section that says Series Overview, below that, when I try to make a box like that, it tells what I coded! It doesn’t show to box! If you don’t understand, I’ll try to explain later, thanks! :) Xuppu (talk) 19:52, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Xuppu: Hi there! There are instructions at Template:Series overview showing how to use it. In these kinds of situations, I sometimes copy the code for a table that I like, paste it into a sandbox, make the changes I want, confirm it looks good, and then save it. Then I can copy the good code into the appropriate article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:36, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Xuppu (talk) 21:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Just when I copied it, it showed the code! Is there some extensions on the wiki? Because I’m new to it. Xuppu (talk) 21:09, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Are you in visual mode or source mode? I find it easier to work on visual mode. Either way, working on some source code is good practice. Good luck! :) Professor Penguino (talk) 03:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Xuppu. The double curly bracket begins a template, in this case, the one called {{Seasons}}. But the software will not process it until it sees the matching close curly bracket, which you haven't yet got. ColinFine (talk) 20:37, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Xuppu (talk) 21:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

How to?

How can I remove the "Template:" part when adding a new page? LittleMonsterrrrrrr (talk) 20:03, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, LittleMonsterrrrrrr. You've accidentally started a template rather than a draft article. Please see Help:Your first article on how to do the latter. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:06, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Advice for newcomer

I am a new user, with only basic knowledge of editing (Bold text,Italic text,links). I do not know where to begin in terms of editing pages and such. What should I do? Data Devourer (talk) 21:38, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

@Data Devourer, WP:TUTORIAL and WP:TASKS may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:49, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks! I will check them out. Data Devourer (talk) 21:53, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

You may also find the WP:VisualEditor easier for you to use, @Data Devourer, as it is WYSIWYG. Qcne (talk) 10:06, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Data Devourer, you might also enjoy the Wikipedia:Adventure, and then the Task center. Mathglot (talk) 09:50, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Notable Alumni Question

Hello Teahouse. I wanted to ask a question regarding notable alumni being listed for universities. I read through Wikipedia:Notable alumni and it mentions offering a few examples in the university article. Then where there are too many being moved to their separate page for "List of Alumni from X University". Though, I will also note that it states that page is only to be used for historical reference and is no longer the main consensus. My main questions regarding this are as follows:

1. What determines who stays in the main article and who gets relegated to the list page. Is that typically something that is hashed out on talk page for the respective university?

2. If there is someone who is notable for not exactly the greatest of reasons, would that be a reason to keep them off of the main article page and relegate them only to the list page?

Kind Regards! - Apks94 (talk) 00:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Apks94. In my view, the university article talk page is the proper place to sort this out. As for excluding a person who is notable for not exactly the greatest of reasons, that should not be a factor in the decision. For example, there are 33 alumni listed at the main Harvard University article. Among them is Ted Kaczynski. Cullen328 (talk) 01:10, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

New article

There's a big upcoming event in a few days. Would it be appropriate for me to start an article about it? it definitely fits notability standards. Professor Penguino (talk) 03:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Professor Penguino: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you can provide multiple published reliable sources to meet the criteria at WP:NEVENT, then it's probably OK. If not, then it may be too soon for an article, but you could start a draft, which you could update with sources published after the event. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:37, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Professor Penguino (talk) 04:56, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Saying hello to the community

Hi, just saying that I've been a user on Wikipedia for 19 or so years, but have only occasionally edited or added an article. I have never engaged with the community much, but recently I have intensified my Wikipedia work somewhat and thus wanted to introduce myself -- I'm Podstawko (Adam in real life), work in IT but have a wide variety of interests otherwise, actually I suffer from overfocusing on new interests and falling into various rabbit holes. I would love to contribute to Wikipedia much more than I have so far. My contributions are split between Polish and English wikipedias, so I'll be building my reputation 2x slower than an average English contributor :) Some tips on where most help is needed would be welcome, I guess Wikipedia:Backlog is one of the places to go, any other hints? In any case, hello and happy to be a part of the Wikipedia Community! Podstawko (talk) 09:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, back! Even though you've been around for 19 years, welcome to the English Wikipedia, Podstawko. As far as what to do, you could check the Task center, and I also encourage you to sign up with or visit the project pages for various WP:WikiProjects, which will give you some ideas of things that need doing. Finally, there's User:SuggestBot, which will suggest some articles that may be of interest to you, based on your past editing history. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 09:47, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

When I first got stuck into editing, I checked out SPECIAL:HOMEPAGE which you can set up and it gives you suggested articles to improve on varying levels of difficulty. Qcne (talk) 10:05, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

As you are multilingual, you might want to have a look at pages needing translation; I am sure we have some articles which have been translated from Polish, and need some sprucing up. Example: Paprzyca coat of arms. Cheers. Lectonar (talk) 11:03, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello Mathglot and Lectonar. Thank you for the tips; I have already bookmarked User:SuggestBot, Wikipedia:Task Center, Wikipedia:WikiProject and SPECIAL:HOMEPAGE, and based on Lectonar's advice I started looking into the translation needs and even suggested one of the new articles... for deletion! (Which is a first for me.) Exciting! Thank you again and I'm looking forward to contribute much more. Podstawko (talk) 13:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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why do i exist? Pleese help 212.85.65.110 (talk) 11:03, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

You might want to read Meaning of life. Lectonar (talk) 11:04, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Tank Uuuuu:)

LOVE YOU

Youre the bestest 212.85.65.110 (talk) 11:08, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

no you Gunnar Moberg (talk) 11:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

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ICT/ENTREPENURESHIP

How can Abraham Maslow create the hierchy of needs Uwulammajkjk (talk) 12:17, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello. This board is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. Do you have a question about Wikipedia? 331dot (talk) 12:18, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Abraham Maslow   Maproom (talk) 12:21, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

That makes a little more sense, but he died in 1970- perhaps the OP meant "how did" rather than "how can"? 331dot (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Can this article have its notability status reviewed?

I added information which seems to give the biography notability:

Michael P. Grace II Starlighsky (talk) 12:34, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Starlighsky. As it says at H:MTR, if you think the issue has been adequately addressed, you may remove the template. If you want a second opinion, one of the WikiProjects linked in the article's talk page would be a better place to request that than here. ColinFine (talk) 14:12, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 14:19, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Starlighsky - another helpful place that I found is at WikiProject Wikipedia/Assessment, Requesting an assessment. Regards, JoeNMLC (talk) 14:21, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 14:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

editing a corporate page

Good morning,

I am a content manager at Ethan Allen headquarters, and our Wikipedia page is desperately in need of an update. We just finished our annual report for this fiscal year, so it's a good time to put up the most up-to-date information on our page.

I don't just want to jump on and start editing. I want to be respectful of the community and transparent, since I work for Ethan Allen and obviously have a self-interested investment in what our page says about us. What's the best way for me to go about making updates in a way that has integrity? Thanks in advance for your guidance. Jleewriter208 (talk) 13:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Jleewriter208 Hello and welcome. Thanks for asking. I'm going to place some information on your user talk page that should answer most of your questions. In short, you will need to make a formal declaration of your status, and review how to properly propose edits to the article. I would correct you in that it is not your "Wikipedia page" but a Wikipedi article about your business- this may change your mindset a bit. 331dot (talk) 13:29, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

You're absolutely right about the reframing. It's funny—this is how I've been trying to explain to the execs, but then I come in here and call it "our page." Sigh. Mea culpa.

Thanks for your help and for everything the community does. I will check what you shared and take it from there. Jleewriter208 (talk) 13:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Jleewriter208 get them to read WP:BOSS! Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:40, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

(ec) First you have to put a WP:PAID template on your user page. When editing an article with a conflict of interest, one has to be neutral, and avoid making the article into an advertisement. —asparagusus (interaction) ^sprouts! 13:31, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for this Jleewriter208 (talk) 13:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Asparagusus In most cases one with a COI should not directly edit the article at all; they should make edit requests instead. There are some clear cases where direct edits are fine, but in general it shouldn't be done. 331dot (talk) 13:35, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@Jleewriter208: You might find it helpful to use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to propose changes to the article. Be sure to provide reliable published sources that editors can use to verify your suggestions. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 13:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, will do Jleewriter208 (talk) 13:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Moving article from sandbox to Wikipedia

How do I move the article from my sandbox to the Wikipedia Floraalbert (talk) 13:46, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft for review. This is automatically provided if you use the Article Wizard or Articles for Creation to create drafts instead of your sandbox. 331dot (talk) 13:48, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

See Help:Moving a page for the procedure, however, I would advise against moving drafts to article namespace yourself until you've got a few accepted draft submissions. User:Floraalbert/sandbox is underreferenced. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:59, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Suggestion for my draft article "List of Video Game Modes"

~Maplestrip/Mable suggested I convert the draft of my article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:List_of_video_game_modes) to sub-categories in the definition of video game-related term page. Are the sources cited valid evidence, if I was to proceed? UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 15:25, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I suggested that it might serve as a decent subsection or division if we want to split up the long glossary of terminology in a way different from just alphabetical. But I hadn't put much thought into it. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:39, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Gotcha. To clarify, I wasn't intending to go behind your back by posting this here, another user recommended I post this issue to Teahouse. UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 16:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Guidance on deleting inaccurate information?

Hello,

I recently had an edit reverted for being non-constructive. The information I deleted was incorrect--the page claimed that Knott County was the second-to-last county to flip from Democrat to Republican in Kentucky, when in actuality Hancock, Henderson and Franklin Counties all voted for Obama in 2008, whereas Knott County did not. Adding these additional qualifications to the statement in the article seemed overly cumbersome and possibly on violating Wikipedia:NOTSTATS. Should I have given a better description of my edit? Floated the deletion in the talk page? As it stands currently, the information on the page is inaccurate, so it needs to be fixed somehow. Thanks! 2600:1700:13F0:8330:5D0B:52AB:38E5:D15A (talk) 16:15, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Your edit seems fine. @Qalila: I would suggest you review edits a bit closer before reverting, especially without leaving a descriptive edit summary when doing so. Elli (talk | contribs) 16:33, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I've re-removed the sentence. The source provided doesn't even support the statement that Knott County was the second-to-last county to flip from Democrat, only that it flipped in 2008 (which is already stated in the previous sentence).

But for future reference, if you are reverted it would be a good idea to discuss the reverted content on the talk page, especially if the removal can be seen as controversial. See WP:BRD for more information. SkyWarrior 16:45, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Question about foreign language policy

Hello, hate to return so soon, but this is an important question to improve my knowledge as an editor. I have noticed many articles written in other languages (not English) that are very short, cited poorly and are not marked as stubs. For example, I am working on editing the article "Doraemon 2: SOS! Otogi no Kuni" which was initially translated from Japanese, and am befuddled at the fact that it got accepted in the first place (due to previously mentioned lack of citations ((Zero, to be exact,)) and being a stub). To organize my thoughts, I have 3 questions: 1. Is the policy for article acceptance the same as on English Wikipedia, 2. Should I tag this specific article for deletion as it is a stub, for lack of notability (Used WP:VG/S and got basically nothing, three pages in Russian of the four results.), and having zero sources, 3. If I were to tag the article for deletion, should I also tag the pages in other languages for deletion, or is this not an issue I should handle? Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 20:37, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Unexpected. No, the policy is not the same in different Wikipedias. I believe that English Wikipedia is stricter than many.

Note also that our policy was not always so strict: if an article has been around here for a long time, it may never have been "accepted" in any formal way. We have many thousands of articles which are seriously substandard, and would not get accepted today. All of them need attention; however, not all of them should be deleted. Some are on subjects which do meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and should be kept and improved; others should indeed be deleted.

You are very welcome to nominate articles for deletion, if you have searched for and failed to find suitable sources: see WP:BEFORE. ColinFine (talk) 20:54, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

(ec) Each language version of Wikipedia is a separate project, with their own editors and policies. As an example, the German Wikipedia encourages businesses to register accounts to speak for the business(i.e. a "Mercedes Benz" account) but that is not allowed on the English Wikipedia. Articles that are accepted(or tolerated) on other language Wikipedias would not necessarily be acceptable here. The English Wikipedia tends to be stricter than others. You can certainly nominate each language version of an article for deletion, but you would need to make sure it does not meet the policies of that particular Wikipedia. 331dot (talk) 20:57, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine, @331dot, I appreciate both of your responses, the feedback will allow for me to become a better editor going forward. Cheers! UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 21:45, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

[EC] Your questions, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition:

1. I can't be bothered to read up on ja:WP's policy for article acceptance and therefore can't give a direct answer. If you're asking "Is the utterly unreferenced ドラえもん2 SOS!おとぎの国 some sort of freak, or is it normal for ja:WP?", then: "The latter".
2. "Tagging for deletion" is ambiguous. You are of course free either to propose the deletion of Doraemon 2: SOS! Otogi no Kuni or to take it to AfD. Whether you "should" do this depends on the interpretation of should. It would be proper to do so; you're not obliged to do so.
3. If you think that the Italian, the Japanese, and/or the Vietnamese page should be deleted, you'd better read up on the notability and other relevant policies of the particular Wikipedia and check that these policies really do proscribe such an article. If they do, then you proceed at that Wikipedia, not in this one. -- Hoary (talk) 22:00, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

The JP Wikipedia page states I cannot nominate the page for deletion until I achieve registered status, so I will respect their wishes and wait until Friday to nominate the article. UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 22:47, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

@UnexpectedSmoreInquisition: If you're going to start nominating articles for deletion on other language Wikipedias, then you should be fairly competent in that language to allow you to smoothly interact with the members of that Wikipedia's community. For example, if you're going to nominate a Japanese Wikipedia article for deletion, you should have a really good understanding of Japanese so that you not only can communicate effectively with the members of the Japanese Wikipedia community but are also able to understand the policies and guidelines of Japanese Wikipedia and how they tend to be applied. By "have a really good understanding", I mean you should not plan on relying on translation sites or software to help you navigate through any such discussion since (1) such a thing would probably be fairly obvious the other participants and (2) they might not too willing to adjust their comments to your level of understanding. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I'm aware. Forgot to mention it here, but I decided they should be allowed to change their own articles. It would be a headache changing all of the poorly cited, unnotable, or downright a sentence long. I have, however, been learning French and Japanese on Duolingo since early this year, so once I feel competent (in those languages), I will begin making such decisions. This thread will self destruct in five, four, th- wait, wrong thread. UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 11:21, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Possible alien hoax

I'm trying to find some information about a possible alien hoax that is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. The (possible) hoax involves the Mexican government showing alleged alien corpses dating from over 1000 years old. (Sources: [2] and [3]) Davest3r08 (talk) 23:13, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Would this be eligible for an article? Davest3r08 (talk) 23:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Davest3r08. I suggest it might be more appropriate to work to expand on the article about the hoaxer, Jaime Maussan. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:31, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Stash issue when publishing changes

So I was expanding the article on Angelika Hoerle for my neighbor who has a lot more reliable information about her, and when I went to publish my changes, I got the following error: No stashed content found for 1173913566/c57e36a0-4ba9-11ee-9323-b04f13b99a5c. I have no clue what this means and would like help fixing it please. BlastoiseEditor (talk) 23:14, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, BlastoiseEditor, and welcome to the Teahouse! There are a couple possible issues here - the main ones are that your internet connection could have temporarily cut out while it was trying to publish, or that the page was left open for too long (24+ hours) before you published your changes. If you still have easy access to your changes, try copying them temporarily into a file on your computer, reloading the page while holding the shift key, then trying to make the change again. If that doesn't work, try adding ?safemode=1 to the end of the URL, loading that page (which should look almost the exact same), and trying to make the change again. Tollens (talk) 04:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, BlastoiseEditor. To clarify something that Tollens didn't make explicit: this sort of error is a technical issue, and has nothing at all to do with the content of your edits. ColinFine (talk) 08:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

David Scheffel

This page needs a lot of work to bring it up to Wikipedia standards, but I can't decide if it's a candidate for deletion. Could someone here take a gander? Tx. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 23:24, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

I have just now removed a large, inappropriate chunk of it. What remains doesn't obviously merit an article, but I haven't made any attempt to look elsewhere for evidence of notability. -- Hoary (talk) 00:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Question neutral point of view, no original research, verifiability

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephine,_North_Dakota

• According to satellite imagery from 1949, the town had what appears to be an abandoned school, multiple other abandoned buildings, and two grain elevators. All that remains today is both elevators and an accompanying business office.

Is this allowed by verifiability, so it can still stay because it makes it not an original research. I imagine deleters trying to remove this sentence though. also many math articles have little cites. is verifiablity also the explanation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by बिनोद थारू (talk • contribs) 01:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

You may not add your own commentary about the satellite image. If there is a reliable source that describes the satellite image and what it shows, you can cite that. RudolfRed (talk) 01:31, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Also the satellite image is a more reliable source than a newspaper mention of satellite image? बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

A image isn't really a reliable source for anything other than showing that the image itself exists; in other words, it has almost zero value as a cited source in support of content about the town for Wikipedia's purposes other than perhaps content stating that a satelite image of the town exists. So, any of the information obtained from the image or any interpretation of the image would need to be supported by a citation to a reliable sources for it to not be considered WP:OR. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

saying "there is a house" supported by the image of a house ? बिनोद थारू (talk) 02:15, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Any assertion that begins with According to satellite imagery from 1949 should be immediately rejected and removed. Sputnik 1, the first artificial satellite, was launched in 1957, and the first photosurveillance satellites were deployed in 1959. The claim is ludicrous on the face of it. Cullen328 (talk) 07:11, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I didn't even think about that Cullen328 and have accordingly removed that from the article. It was added back in 2018 and probably went unnoticed until you did so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Better ways to get my draft reviewed/approved?

 Courtesy link: Draft:Amos Pewter

I'm a newbie here, so sorry if I'm stepping out of line or being clueless, but I tried my first article a while ago (Draft:Amos Pewter), and it's in draft status. What's the best way to improve my odds of getting it reviewed and approved? I've tried to find and add as many sources as I can. I'm really passionate about Canada so this article is of an important topic to me, but I wanted to make sure that I've been including valid citations so if I do any other articles going forward, I know how to do this right. Do any seasoned Wikipedians have any advice? TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 02:21, 14 September 2023 (UTC) TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 02:21, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Dear @TradingSpousesWelsch: hello and welcome to the teahouse. You are definitely not stepping out of line for raising a question here. Right now, the article is pending for review. Please note that there is a serious backlog of unreviewed drafts. If you look at the top of your draft, you will see

This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 3,789 pending submissions waiting for review.

At this point, my only advice is to wait. Volunteers dedicate their own time to review draft articles. As long as you think you have put up the best you can find in the draft, please be patient and understanding. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 02:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice @TheLonelyPather. I will try to be patient; as I understand it, Wikipedia's non-profit so I appreciate how hard the volunteers work and I'll wait and see how my draft goes when the time comes along for someone to look at it. Have a great day, and thanks again for the help! TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 02:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

First of all, don't worry about "stepping out of line". We're all just a bunch of nerds writing an encyclopedia in our free time. It's not that serious. People who start taking it too seriously and finger-wagging at those who "step out of line" are jerks. Besides, everything here, even the rules and guidelines, was made up by people like you and I, and is subject to being changed by people like you and I, if we see fit.

At a glance, your article looks quite good. One of the better draft articles I've seen from a self-described "newbie". The article doesn't read like an advertisement (a common problem with new articles about businesses), you don't rely too heavily on primary sources, and your extensive use of secondary sources demonstrates the notability of the topic.

Personally, I think you've done a good job on your first article, and while I'm sure it will be continuously improved by you and by others, I don't see any reason not to approve it. I hope you'll continue to contribute here. Good day. Pecopteris (talk) 02:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, @Pecopteris! I appreciate the support, and I'm glad to hear my article doesn't sound like an advertisement - I hope to maybe add some articles for more Canadian companies as I get more knowledgeable with Wikipedia, and since a lot of company-based articles on here run into the pitfall of sounding promotional, this was definitely something I wanted to avoid in my first draft. I did initially make a mistake of citing a self-published fiction novel that makes a brief mention of the company, but an editor removed this, so otherwise I think I've got my sources down right and I tried to use primary sources sparingly. TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 02:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@TradingSpousesWelsch: Hi there! I checked to see if you added WikiProjects to the talk page, and was happy to see you had done so. I'm curious why you tagged this draft about a manufacturing company with the banner for WP:WikiProject Travel and Tourism. GoingBatty (talk) 03:16, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Deleted Facebook Images?

I'm trying to address the issue of dead and raw URLs on Shocker Toys, but the issue is that some of the references are links to Facebook, and all of the Facebook content is gone. They have either been deleted or set to private. What should you do in this situation? Thanks all. Junemoon19 (talk) 03:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Junemoon19. You titled this discussion "Deleted Facebook Images?", but you appear to be asking whether Facebook is considered OK to cite as a reliable source. If you're asking about the latter, then you might want to take a look at WP:UGC and WP:RS/P#Facebook. In general, most of the content found on Facebook is considered to be user-generated content that is not considered a reliable source for Wikipedia's purposes since there is almost never any sort of rigorous editorial control being applied to what's been posted; however, the official Facebook account of the subject of the article may in some cases be OK to cite as explained here, here, here and here as long as the content isn't overly self-serving or otherwise contentious, and it isn't about some other third-party. If you're unable to access the content to assess it yourself, you can seek additional input on the article's talk page or at WP:RSN. The source might still have some value even if it's no longer readily accessible, and could marked with a template like {{Dead link}}, {{Better source needed}} or {{Primary source inline}} instead of simply removing it. You might also want to try looking for other sources that might be used to support the same content, and use them to replace the Facebook citations. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:20, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly, thank you for taking the time to answer. I think you misunderstood me. The issue is not Facebook itself, but the fact that I am unsure what to replace the dead link with, because the linked Facebook photo was deleted. But the information you provided is useful. Another question I would have is whether it is proper to stack in-line templates on top of each other? For example, one of the Facebook links already have a {{User-generated source}} template. Would it be okay to add a {{Dead link}} template to it as well? I will also take a look at WP:RSN and to try looking for the same information elsewhere.

Junemoon19 (talk) 05:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Ideally, you should first try and resolve the matter yourself; for example, dead links can sometimes be resolved per WP:DEADREF. If you're too pressed for time or otherwise unable/unwilling to try and resolve the problem yourself, tagging is OK since it lets others know about the problem; however, you have to avoid what's considered WP:TAGBOMBing or WP:OVERTAGGING (i.e. tagging something excessively or drive-by tagging) since many members of the Wikipedia community don't view such a thing favorably. If you do add a maintaince template to an article, make sure you leave an edit summary clearly explaining why. It's also a good idea to try and minimize the number of template you add as possible and focus only on the major issues instead trying to add a template for everything wrong with the article. You'll find other suggestions about how to go about adding maintenance templates to articles in the essay WP:RESPTAG. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:52, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Gallery problem

Putting wikipedia File: and Image: into a gallery is easy, all you have to do is to quote the File: or Image:

But how does one do this if the File: or Image: is located on an external website? ----MountVic127 (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

• 
  Colour File: AAaa
• 
  Colour Image: BBbb
• 
  File: LMS Tickets 0425
• 
  Image:LMS Tickets 0425

MountVic127 (talk) 03:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

You can't display external images at all, actually. To use any image, you'll have to upload the file to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons, first checking that . This is in part to avoid those copyright issues - it's much easier to verify that all the images hosted on Wikipedia are not copyrighted or are available under a license compatible with the project than it is to check external links. Before you upload any images, please make sure you understand the copyright policy, as well as the image use policy. Tollens (talk) 03:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@MountVic127: Welcome to the Teahouse. You could use the {{External media}} template, if appropriate. GoingBatty (talk) 04:31, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Question

How would one rename an article a name already the name of a redirect? Professor Penguino (talk) 04:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Professor Penguino: If the redirect has more than one entry in the page history, an administrator will have to perform the move - you can make a request at WP:Requested moves. Tollens (talk) 05:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Someone else already has. Community consensus was unanimous in favor of the move. Should I put it on an admin noticeboard? Professor Penguino (talk) 05:10, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

That discussion will automatically be flagged for review by an administrator seven days after it began (September 15) - there's nothing more you need to do besides wait a little while and it will be moved. Tollens (talk) 05:14, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Ok, cool! Thanks! Professor Penguino (talk) 05:24, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Help me, I have intermediate english level

Hi, i created this article, Draft:Cheshme Belghais Garden. but i think it has grammar and other techincal english problems. please someone check that article and fix my problems. i'm new to wiki and have not good english level. thanks. 2.184.185.31 (talk) 07:55, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I have tidied up the grammar. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

and I've tweaked the quoted coordinates so it corresponds to the existing Wikidata item Q5921914. I also used a WP:NAMED reference. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:50, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

I further corrected certain sentences to use more proper grammar. : UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 12:51, 14 September 2023 (UTC)Advanced

Restoring deleted Wikipedia article about M. D. Parashar

Hello Teahouse community,

I hope you are all doing well. I recently attempted to restore a Wikipedia article about my father, M. D. Parashar, a wildlife artist, which was deleted in 2021. I believe there was a misunderstanding regarding its notability, and I would appreciate some guidance on how to proceed.

M. D. Parashar was born and raised in Ranthambhore, Rajasthan, India, and he graduated from the Rajasthan School of Art. He gained recognition worldwide for his exceptional paintings of tigers using lampblack or soot as his medium. His artworks have been showcased in galleries and museums across the globe, and he received numerous awards for his outstanding contributions to wildlife art.

I have meticulously compiled three reliable sources that support my assertion of M. D. Parashar's notability:

1. The article on Saffronart.com, which provides an in-depth exploration of his work and showcases images of his paintings: Saffronart Article
2. The article on DNA India, which discusses his unique use of soot as a medium for his paintings: DNA India Article
3. The article on Newsweek, which reports on a video of a tiger fighting a wild boar that was filmed by M. D. Parashar: Newsweek Article
4. MDParashar.com: This is the official website of M. D. Parashar and serves as a reliable source for information about his work and achievements.

In addition to these sources, I have found two more platforms that showcase Parashar's work:

1. Fine Art America: This website seems to feature Parashar's art but may not provide enough independent coverage to establish notability on its own.
2. Artenblu: Similar to Fine Art America, this website showcases Parashar's work but may not offer substantial independent coverage. These sources collectively provide substantial evidence of my father's notability and his significant contributions to the field of wildlife art. I kindly request the Wikipedia community's assistance in restoring the Wikipedia page dedicated to my father so that his remarkable work can be appropriately documented and celebrated.

. I kindly request the Wikipedia community's assistance in restoring the Wikipedia page dedicated to my father so that his remarkable work can be appropriately documented and celebrated.

Thank you for your time and consideration. Could you kindly provide advice on the best approach for restoring the article and addressing any conflict of interest?

I want to ensure that my father's remarkable work is appropriately documented and celebrated while adhering to Wikipedia's guidelines.

i also added sources to my talk page i don't know that's correct way or not ?

Thank you for your assistance. Best regards, Ayush.parashar27 Ayush.parashar27 (talk) 10:34, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Ayush.parashar27 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please review conflict of interest as you should formally disclose that on your user page. I apologize for being frank here, but Wikipedia is not interested in "celebrating" anything, and is not for mere documentation. The article about your father was deleted as a result of this deletion discussion. If you would like to request that it be restored as it was, or even just copied to your sandbox/user space, that may be done at this page. If you want to write an article from scratch, you should use Articles for Creation to create a draft and explain on the draft talk page that you are attempting to address the concerns of the deletion discussion. 331dot (talk) 10:42, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

@Ayush.parashar27 Source #1 is an auction site that was selling your father's work, so is not WP:Independent (and the link that ought to go to his biography is dead for me). #2 is based on an interview, so is also not independent. #4, his own website, is clearly not.... and so on. Please read this guidance for the notability requirements and these criteria for the sources that will be needed to establish them. There is general guidance here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Citing entire lists

Hello Teahouse, My question is this: the page List of Food Network Challenge episodes is completely without citations. I have not begun research to find secondary sources yet, as I wanted to ask this question first; do I have to cite every single episode, or should I just cite each season? Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition (talk) 13:27, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

How to watch video

all 41.116.3.141 (talk) 13:39, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Notability across different languages

Does a subject notable enough to have it’s own article on another language Wikipedia warrant having an article on English Wikipedia? For a specific example, I’d like to translate the article Selo RISCO from Portuguese Wikipedia into English. Selo RISCO is an independent record label based in São Paulo. It is a lot more notable, and “article worthy” to a Brazilian audience so I’m unsure as to whether or not I should make it a page on English Wikipedia.

In short: Because a subject is notable in another language, does it warrant an English article by the merit of it being notable in another language? 𓂀 SaluteVII 𓀀 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)