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== This has gone on a little too long ==
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While you were still arguing, Wikipedias in other languages moved or split this page.
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For some reason I can't add it to the list because it doesn't appear.


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Former good articleTwitter was one of the Engineering and technology good articles, but it has been removed from the list. There are suggestions below for improving the article to meet the good article criteria. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
On this day... Article milestones
DateProcessResult
March 10, 2007Proposed deletionKept
March 28, 2009Peer reviewReviewed
May 25, 2009Good article nomineeListed
June 14, 2009Featured article candidateNot promoted
July 19, 2009Peer reviewReviewed
September 1, 2009Good article reassessmentKept
June 13, 2010Good article reassessmentKept
January 14, 2023Good article reassessmentKept
July 13, 2023Good article reassessmentDelisted
On this day... A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on July 15, 2018.
Current status: Delisted good article

Twitter name

I read the FAQ. Looked at the RMs. Couple thoughts:

  • Most prior discussions have low attendance, less than a dozen editors. I don't see discussions of long length involving the wider community.
  • The argument of discoverability is the same argument that Twitter is/was the better brand name. Hardly anyone will disagree with that, forever. It was an epic brand rename failure. Thus, we on Wikipedia will always argue that Twitter is more "discoverable", because it's fundamentally true on and off Wikipedia. Nevertheless, maintaining Twitter forever, for discoverability reason, is POV, essentially concurring with - and consciously indicating - it was a brand rename failure.
  • X.com redirects to twitter.com .. this is an extremely strong case for keeping Twitter for now. If/when the company changes to X.com, the case for Twitter gets weaker.
  • Wikipedia can follow the lead of many other sources using "X (formerly Twitter)" etc.. as an intermediary step, a deprecation step. This is already done piecemeal throughout Wikipedia.

-- GreenC 14:53, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with concerns over small headcounts in the previous RMs. An RfC should probably be done in the future, with options like "X (social network)", "X (website)", "X (formerly Twitter)", and "Twitter" as titles. SWinxy (talk) 19:44, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would keep the current article name, because it’s the historical and common name. But if you had to change it, I would change it as “X (formerly Twitter). TheMasterMind321 (talk) 20:41, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unless we can agree on “X (formerly Twitter)” being the WP:COMMONNAME I doubt that we could change it to that. I can’t think of instances where we had to attach the former name to the title, and you’re unlikely to get consensus on changing it to something like “X (social network)”. The fact that the URL is still twitter.com and consensus being that “Twitter” is the COMMONNAME lends credence to maintaining the current title. Padgriffin Griffin's Nest 03:15, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(formerly XXX) would be an unconventional form of disambiguation. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also this would set precedent for other titles like ye (formerly Kanye West). Padgriffin Griffin's Nest 11:10, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW twitter.com redirects to x.com now AbsoluteWisp (talk) 04:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The website is now x.com, so the name has to change. 2A02:B127:11:2238:2BB4:A1DF:2585:19DA (talk) 13:45, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lead wording

The lead currently begins X, commonly referred to by its former name Twitter, though it is edited frequently and may well change again during this discussion. Other versions appearing this week include Twitter, officially known as X since July 2023, and simply X. Can we agree on a stable version? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Certes (talkcontribs) 05:17, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I thought I put a hidden note the other day asking editors not to change the established wording. InfiniteNexus (talk) 17:40, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You did. They changed it anyway. Certes (talk) 17:59, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, is there any clear guidance on which name should be used in other articles? Should it still be referred to universally as Twitter? "X (formerly Twitter)"? ViperSnake151  Talk  04:44, 4 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the lead sentence.

The lead sentence should be: “Twitter, officially known as X since July 2023.” Instead of “X commonly referred by its former name, Twitter.” It’s just better wording, and it saves some time reading. + the article name is “Twitter.” So start it with Twitter & not X because people might not know what that means. And then add “officially known as X since July 2023.” To let people name it started out as Twitter then became X in July 2023. Therefore spreading more information. So my version of the lead sentence makes more sense. TheMasterMind321 (talk) 20:32, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would agree, but there is hidden text saying Please do not alter this wording. Is there a consensus for this wording, or was it added unilaterally? BilledMammal (talk) 02:08, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The wording was shaped by multiple editors over the course of several months. The hidden note was added because drive-by editors would arbitrarily change the wording every few days, which led to edit wars and instability. I don't think any wording is necessarily "better" than others (there are probably a million different combinations we can use), but there is WP:IMPLICITCONSENSUS for the current wording. If editors desire a formal discussion to reach formal consensus on a wording, I wouldn't be opposed. InfiniteNexus (talk) 00:57, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The current version was authored by @Unknown0124 in February 2024. Before that, it changed many times (formerly and commonly, colloquially, formerly known as, formerly called, currently rebranding to X, etc.) Again, I don't really have a preference for which wording, but I do think we should pick one and stick to it. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:07, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Changing primary URL.

Twitter officially known as X since July 2023. Is changing their primary domain from Twitter.com to x.com, and it’s already happening on the app. X.com will be the primary, we don’t know if Twitter.com will be a secondary domain or not even exist. And t.co most likely stay. So x.com is the new primary url. TheMasterMind321 (talk) 20:34, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's not. Tested. — kashmīrī TALK 21:25, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's slowly rolling out, here in the states it still takes me to Twitter.com and asks me to migrate from a "Legacy Twitter.com account to an X.com account" but after closing that it lets me in. See here: https://twitter.com/d1mden/status/1790332811141865575 TechnoKittyCat (talk) 02:38, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Can confirm users in NZ are experiencing this. Keep getting redirected to x.com instead of twitter.com. I hate it. 115.188.25.183 (talk) 21:18, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not happening at least in the U.S., but regardless, we would need a (reliable) source to support that. InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:51, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not confirmed by Probely[1]. — kashmīrī TALK 22:56, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
VPNing into NZ redirects to X.com for me. In the states it goes to Twitter.com for me, and my profile is still copied as Twitter.com/[myusername] TechnoKittyCat (talk) 02:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1 as an Australian, redirects to x.com if I go to twitter.com. Seems like they're rolling it out in some jurisdictions, probably as a test. I've updated the article to say that as of today , in some jurisdictions twitter.com redirects to x.com with a citation. If anyone has any issue then go at it I guess haha Luminism (talk) 08:35, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is still Twitter.com here in Britain. Possibly there are some experiments, but X.com is still nowhere near being the official domain.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 09:11, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1 another Australian. It's redirecting to x.com for me but showing the following error message on desktop: "Something went wrong, but don’t fret — let’s give it another shot." My best guess is that they're phasing it in. It's working for me on mobile view though. It's not letting me archive but it's showing the following message: "Welcome to x.com! We are letting you know that we are changing our URL" Since it says that they're changing it, it means that they haven't completely changed it for everyone and there's no need to update the primary URL until it's transitioned. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 13:24, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the US, site redirects to X.com now. My profile link still copies as twitter.com TechnoKittyCat (talk) 04:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The same in the Philippines too. Ahri.boy (talk) 12:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Domain name changed

Twitter.com is now x.com, and you have no excuse not to change the article name. Kerim Demirkaynak (talk) 07:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is x.com for me in Britain now and has changed in the last 24 hours. Still looking for secondary sourcing on this but it looks like the change is in progress.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:13, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Previous consensus: I don't have an opinion on this matter but there have been six move requests in five months, the previous one as recently as five months ago, and the general consensus has been that unless the new article title meets WP:COMMONNAME, WP:NAMECHANGES, WP:NATURAL and/or WP:CRITERIA, it is unlikely to be moved. The name an entity chooses to identify as is not always the article title. For example, if Kanye West identifies as Ye, it doesn't mean that Ye is more recognisable. It is extremely unlikely the article would be moved to X so if it is ever moved, it may be to X (social network). 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 09:20, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Confirmation via the Verge. That said, while renaming is now likely an option, I still suggest that we should keep anything dealing with Twitter prior to Musk's buyout as a separate, historical article. --Masem (t) 11:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is, as of writing, a strong consensus for this option among those opposing the move and I'm predicting this is the most likely outcome. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 16:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the article name unchanged per WP:COMMONNAME. It's already X.com here in the Philippines. Ahri.boy (talk) 12:52, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Twitter could be a separate article, similar to how Twentieth Century Pictures and Fox Film have separate articles despite being merged to form no prizes for guessing. Kailash29792 (talk) 13:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"You have no excuse" is not how discussion happens here. Maybe things work differently on the Turkish Wikipedia, but we operate by consensus.  — Scott talk 15:57, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 17 May 2024

TwitterX (social network) – The arguments presented in the talk page notice are not sufficient; such a supposition must be stated before I may present my arguments. Likewise, the previous discussions referenced do not adequately express the necessity of a move request. I believe this qualifies as both a "substantial new development", as references to "Twitter" now appear officially absent, and an objection to a previously and overwhelmingly considered argument.

The argument that Twitter is the WP:COMMONNAME for the topic of this article is not well-supported, and the referenced articles above are not comparable. For instance, Kanye West is the name Ye chooses to perform under. The Washington Post lists several companies that have changed their name after becoming established. Though these examples often predate Wikipedia or occurred before the pages for these companies were made, it is not uncommon for a company to change its name or the name of its service; despite the strange decision, the usage of "Twitter" does not reflect self-references to Twitter or X by the company and an increasing acceptance towards "X". Though not infallible, Google Trend data suggests an acceptability towards X.

Though there remains a significant usage of the term, I believe sufficient time has passed to support the claim that X may be used to a degree wide enough that—with consideration for official usage—this move request is supported. The term "X" has largely replaced "Twitter" in news articles where the service is not being referred to in the past, though "formerly known as Twitter" remains a common descriptor. This appears to be associated with a change in the AP Stylebook. help.x.com refers to "X Rules" and "X accounts", and twitter.com is now x.com, the reason why I have suggested this move; The Verge wrote "it's not Twitter anymore". In a personal account, many articles I edit where a person is quoted on the topic have increasingly referred to X, not Twitter.

This move request is largely without precedent, but there exist instances where object within the real world have changed names, creating an inconsistency with colloquial references to said object. Willis Tower in Chicago is commonly referred to as Sears Tower because the tower had been known as that for 35 years. Similarly, Comiskey Park is known as Guaranteed Rate Field and formerly U.S. Cellular Field, but Chicago residents continue to refer to the field as "Comiskey". Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport is Washington National Airport to many. Name rights moves may be comparable in this circumstance, as they present a shift in colloquial terminology and official terminology that is reflected within Wikipedia to adhere to the present name of the field or building. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 13:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kerim Demirkaynak (talk) 00:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please assume good faith and avoid making unfounded assumptions about editors' behavior. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hxnc (talk) 17:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had previously supported splitting the page but I'm now wondering what will happen to articles like List of Twitter features. Article titles like List of X features may not meet WP:Article titles. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 18:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"List of Twitter features" appears wholly redundant to what's already in the Twitter article. That should all be material covered in the main article, not broken out. Masem (t) 18:11, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Some articles like TweetDeck should probably be kept as is since that's another topic and X Pro won't follow WP:Article titles even if this page is moved or split. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 18:19, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. If we do end up splitting the Twitter/X articles, "List of Twitter Features" should be merged into the main Twitter article. Even now, that article seems a bit redundant. I do agree with keeping the "TweetDeck" article separated from the main "Twitter" article, since TweetDeck was originally developed as a separate Twitter client that was later acquired by Twitter Inc. Hxnc (talk) 23:50, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment What happened after the long-winded Survey that occurred not that long ago? I didn't see any formal result from this, it just got archived as if nothing had happened. As a result we have History of Twitter that is essentially a WP:CONTENTFORK of Twitter#History, given there is no link to the main article or summary of the child in this article. That whole situation remains a complete mess, apart from converting Twitter#Post-acquisition to an excerpted summary, that ironically was the original simplistic proposal following basic WP:SUMMARY guidelines. Personally I'm in support for the original idea, that appeared to have consensus previously, to rename Twitter under Elon Musk to X (social media), partially because Musk is no longer the CEO, so that article's title is flawed. Rant over.
CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 18:20, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be okay if I tag everyone that participated in past move requests? 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 19:02, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Obviously it would, as it concerns them. Thanks in advance. CommunityNotesContributor (talk) 00:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and sent notifications to 29 users that had previously participated in similar move requests but haven't in this one. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 06:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. When did twitter cease to exist and X was born? The date Elon completed the purchase or the date he announced the rebrand? (I believe it is the former.)
  2. Which page should be moved to X (social network)? (I believe that Twitter under Elon Musk should be moved to History of X (social network) or something similar (I am not happy with the word "history" in my proposed title though). There are too many details in the Twitter under Elon Musk page that are notable, but I do not think they deserve to be included in the main X page. Also, I believe X (social network) should be a brand new page, explaining X from scratch)
  3. What should be included and covered in the X (social network) article? There is a huge overlap between features of Twitter and X. (I believe everything from the Twitter page that is still applicable and relevant to X should be included in the new page.)
Please help me if there is a better place to discuss these questions. فره ور تیش (talk) 09:34, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's only here. There's no other place we can discuss the move. Ahri Boy (talk) 09:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To answer your first question, you're conflating the company (Twitter, Inc. → X Corp.) with the service (Twitter → X). Facebook the company also changed its name to Meta, but the service is still called Facebook. InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:37, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I was talking about the service itself, not the company. No confusion about Twitter, Inc. vs X Corp. To my understanding, a lot of the contributors to this discussion believe that there should be two distinct pages, one for a defunct service called Twitter, and one for X, the current service. Some here believe that the changes made to to Twitter are substantial enough that it can be considered a new service called X. That's why I asked when was Twitter discontinued and was replaced by X. فره ور تیش (talk) 21:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It is still known as Twitter most of the time and even when the media feels required to acknowledge the new name it is as "X formerly known as Twitter" almost like "The Artist Formerly Known As Prince" and we didn't rename that article. Obviously that argument weakens as a few more people gradually start to call it "X" but we are quite a way off the tipping point there. Also, it is clear that what we see now is not X as Elon Musk intends it but a transitional form that is essentially just Twitter but with more monetisation and Nazis. X is meant to be "the everything app" and that will definitely be worth an article, whether it succeeds or fails in notable and interesting ways. We don't know what this "everything app" will be. It might even be that describing it as a "social network" isn't a good description. If it were to become primarily financial then that would suggest a different title. So, I think Masem is on the right track here. Twitter was/is Twitter. X is something else, yet to be seen. Maybe it is going to be three articles eventually? 1:Twitter, 2:Twitter after Musk, 3: X (Everything App)? --DanielRigal (talk) 11:36, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose any split. Twitter and X are clearly the same thing, one's a continuation of the other and the operation and model of the site is largely unchanged, give or take the rename and a few other Musk quirks. The idea that we should split it just because someone has taken over and shaken things up a bit is absurd. I'm actually gobsmacked that this is being seriously considered. As for the move request, let's just follow NAMECHANGES and assess what sources do. It may already be time to rename, but equally the name Twitter is still used so we could wait a bit longer. Neutral on that really.  — Amakuru (talk) 13:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A decision would still need to be made on whether to move this article or not. Five criteria that WP:Article titles assesses are:
    • Recognisability: The title is a name or description of the subject that someone familiar with, although not necessarily an expert in, the subject area will recognise. This is more difficult to assess due to a lack of reliable source material but worldwide Google Trends data (as opposed to the US-specific data posted in the move request) suggests that while use of "Twitter" has declined slightly, the decrease is in proportion with changes in active users commonly presented in the media. The use of "X" in the past five years have remained the same. Even in the US-specific data presented above, the total use of "Twitter" is also still significantly higher than the increased use of "X" alone. Based on this, it could be assumed that "X (social network)" does not yet meet the recognisability criteria. However, both waiting for "X" to reach recognisability levels previously enjoyed by "Twitter", or assuming that it ever will, is WP:CRYSTALBALL territory. In addition, recent media using "X" still has clarification in some form, obvious or not. The conversation here is extremely skewed by particular demographic groups that may be significantly more knowledgeable on the topic than the wider population. Wikipedia doesn't always use the article titles that an entity identifies as, based on a large subset of precedent. While there has been a somewhat increased use of "X" in the media recently, Twitter has significantly higher historical usage, brand recognition, consistency with related articles (e.g. X suspensions anyone?) and current search trends. This move request was created far too soon after the URL was changed for many of the factors that could be used to assess recognisability to be properly assessed.
    • Naturalness: The title is one that readers are likely to look or search for and that editors would naturally use to link to the article from other articles. Such a title usually conveys what the subject is actually called in English. This again brings forth the issue of whether the people in this discussion are reflective of the wider population, the answer to which is obviously not. "Twitter" has played a significant cultural factor in recent modern history. Almost everyone regardless of demographic factors has heard of Twitter, even those who don't know what it is. This is not the same case with "X (social network)". While the Wikipedians here may disagree, the wider population is a completely different demographic to most Wikipedians (especially here) and - supported by global Google Trends data - "X (social network)" lacks the simplicity, common use and natural disambiguation that WP:Article titles expects. Recent increased use of the term in the media alone cannot account for naturalness and this is yet another example where "X (social network)" fails the test.
    • Precision: The title unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects. "X (social network)" already fails this check because it uses parenthesis for clarification, which is not the case for "Twitter". Without the use of clarification, "X" is an extremely ambiguous subject. It is literally not precise and cannot be easily distinguished from other subjects without it where "Twitter" does with ease. Facebook and Instagram are precise, "X (social network)" avoids natural disambiguation while being the same topic as "Twitter". "Twitter" is precise, a term that is unique and extremely specific compared to "X (social network)". Twitter doesn't need disambiguation and when compared to "X", is always about the social network. Explanatory parenthesis is the opposite of precision and this is another criteria where "X (social network)" doesn't meet WP:Article titles. Moving the page is giving a company special treatment due to its size and notability rather than following the same guidelines that ever other article title has to follow. "Twitter" describes the entire platform, past and present, and "X" doesn't have the precision needed for the article to move without being split. It is not consistent. Based on the same special treatment given to "X", "Bed, Bath & Beyond" should be moved to "Beyond", yet there isn't a sizeable proportion of Wikipedians advocating for it. Perhaps because we have stronger feelings towards the social network than for "Beyond"? That's bias.
    • Concision: The title unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects. My thoughts on this matter are going to be in addition to what I have discussed so far because unambiguity is literally in the description. Twitter is a single word. Everyone already knows what it is. Aside from significant changes in management, X hasn't changed enough from Twitter and having an article about what is still Twitter with a non-concise title is more marketing consistency than about encyclopedic tone. "Twitter" as an article title is easy to search for, read and refer to. "X (social network)" is not a more concise title, where "Twitter" is still an acceptable article title. X is not yet the "everything app" that perhaps may justify a move in the future, though then it may end up splitting anyway, but X is currently still colloquially Twitter just with a new logo. Aside from significant change in management, employees and company policies, they are both the same social network platform and based on the Google Trends data, almost everyone still refer to it as such. The clarification "(social network)" is redundant when the article title is "Twitter" so it is more concise and has better natural flow. This is another area "X (social network)" as a title totally misses the mark.
    • Consistency: There is a very large number of article titles that, under the same conditions, still have the article title be the most commonly used name because it is WP:COMMONNAME. There's also the issue with consistency with other articles. If "X" is so much more WP:COMMONNAME, why not move "Twitter suspensions" to "X suspensions"? If they are the same topic, why not move "Twitter controversies" to "X controversies"? If "X (social network)" meets the above criteria, why not move "List of mergers and acquisitions by Twitter" to "List of mergers and acquisitions by X"? Based on everything I have said so far, splitting the article is the only effective compromise because there is a very real possibility that there may never be an article called "X (social network)" as we go round and round about whether the title will ever meet WP:Article titles better than "Twitter". The title "X (social network)" lacks historical consistency and requires a separate article (or an excessively large subsection) about "Twitter" for the "X (social network)" article title to be consistent. That's literally the only reason I've been supporting separate articles so far. X is very notable, I'm not denying that, but Twitter is more so. If there has to be a page move today as things currently are, not splitting the articles won't make sense, because "X (social network)" doesn't meet WP:Article titles and any support for moving this page is already against precedence.
    Splitting is more a compromise than anything. If Google changes its name tomorrow, should there still be an article called "Google" or should an encyclopedia erase the brand, which has significant historical notability, in favour for whatever is next? Preserve or demolish? What is Wikipedia? For me, based on everything I have said so far, its either keep the page as is or split the article. Split by my definition is not writing two separate articles about the same social network, but what content each page will have is not something that I would like to determine myself. I have no interest in the subject matter other than to not have a loud minority dictate whether Wikipedia's guidelines should or shouldn't be followed. Splitting is nothing more than a compromise for which I have no interest in working on myself. I'm sure someone with more interest can write an effective essay on what it should include, as clearly there are many, and I'm sure it would be less about a former company but more about a period of time as per Masem's comparisons with Viacom.
    This is a long and opinionated rant so I'm sure there are plenty of mistakes and just because I'm opposing the move or favouring a split right now, it doesn't mean a lack of willingness to support moving the page in the future under different circumstances. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 17:07, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Correction: I meant Bed Bath & Beyond (online retailer) should be moved to Beyond (online retailer) under the same special treatment. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 17:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To clarify, I’m still in support of Masem’s proposal to split the article as per above or oppose the move for now. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 19:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I support that too. It seems some accounts tried doing that. Editior23 (talk) 23:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose per others. RPC7778 (talk) 16:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. WP:COMMONNAME is still obviously Twitter. Neo Purgatorio (talk) 16:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose, since many are still referring to it as Twitter, also per above. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 17:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I think the rebrand is now complete as their domain is not x.com. And Twitter is a thing of the past even though they are still called Twitter by many, the official records still states that Twitter is now X.The Man Without Fear 🦇17:48, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But articles are named things that most people call them, which doesn't necessarily reflect official records. --Ferien (talk) 22:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose move; weak support Masem's proposal. It's only been a year of "X" — less than a year, actually — but nearly two decades of "Twitter". The first bullet point of WP:CRITERIA is "recognizability", and Twitter is the clear winner here. A quick, extremely unscientific survey on Musk's own platform confirms "Twitter" remains far more common outside of perhaps his circle of strongest allies and supporters, regardless of the official preference. In the infamous Don Lemon interview a month ago, Musk himself said the X platform, formerly Twitter (2:57), and Lemon at one point asks him, How long are we going to have to call it 'the formerly known as Twitter'? (6:44). The second bullet point of CRITERIA is "naturalness", which WP:NATURAL elaborates on (emphasis added): Using an alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English reliable sources, albeit not as commonly as the preferred-but-ambiguous title, is sometimes preferred. But here, "Twitter" is arguably still more the common name. Masem's alternate proposal is basically what was proposed last time, which seems to have reached rough consensus but was never executed. I think it's a good idea and a reasonable compromise, but at the same time, two articles about the same service could lead to confusion and concerns of unnecessariness (is that a word?). InfiniteNexus (talk) 19:50, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think this whole vote tally is a case of people struggling with the is/ought distinction. What is "arguably...common" and "natural" in this case? ~Sıgehelmus♗(Tøk) 20:43, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Twitter. InfiniteNexus (talk) 21:10, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Calling the Netherlands as Holland is also more common and natural then especially amongst Boomers, to where still some don't even know exactly what the Netherlands refers to. Yet Wiki still does an "um actually 🤓" when you search Holland. ~Sıgehelmus♗(Tøk) 21:14, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Clearly needed now that the domain name has changed Isla🏳️‍⚧ 20:06, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Most media calls the company and website X now. So does Encyclopedia Britannica. Hence, this is the common name. Oppose the proposal to make a chronological split of the article around the time of the purchase by Musk. It's not like Twitter ceased to exist and X emerged instead. The changes are gradual. It took two years to complete the rebranding. Since there is too much to write to combine it all one page, we have sub-articles for History of Twitter and X under Elon Musk, much like we have many separate articles for the various incarnations of many nation states. The idea that X is distinct from Twitter is not supported by reliable sources (hence WP:OR) -- after all many of them still write "X (formerly Twitter)". Joe vom Titan (talk) 21:27, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    [2], [3], [4], [5], and numerous others. Even Musk considers Twitter to be dead. Masem (t) 23:17, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Some issues:
    • X being used more commonly in the media, including EB, is undermined by the constant use of clarification
    • X has seen negligible impact on global search trends and Twitter remains the dominant search term
    • The slight reduction of search trends for Twitter is proportion to the change in active users as in the media
    • Wikipedia is not Encyclopedia Britannica and has its own guidelines for determining a common name
    • A split doesn't need to be chronological and X's article can retain most of Twitter's history
    • Historical precedence of Viacom 1952-2005, Viacom (2005-2019), Bed Bath & Beyond and various others
    • The redundancy of History of Twitter and Twitter under Elon Musk without an article about Twitter itself
    • The overall notability, cultural and sociopolitical impact of the Twitter brand and its historical significance
    • What if Google changes its name? Should Wikipedia not have an article about something that notable?
    • The two articles not needing to imply distinction or lack of linearity between the two topics
    • I'm not convinced of the idea that something shouldn't be changed because there is too much to write
    • X (social network) is notable and deserves its own article outside of Twitter's large shadow
    • X (social network) not yet surpassing Twitter in all five WP:Article titles criteria as per my other post
    • Assumption of X (social network) to ever reach or surpass the recognisability of Twitter is WP:CRYSTALBALL
    • An ongoing cycle of the last two points having the potential for a repetitive cycle of move requests
    However:
    • The Viacom precedent above used parenthetical disambiguation. Perhaps something similar is needed?
    𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 23:53, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This can cause SEO issues if the article name is changed to "X". It's one of those reasons why I dislike the Twitter to X rebranding as the benefit is only the CEO himself, but it actually made SEO much worse. If I were to take over X (formerly Twitter), I'll change the name back to Twitter Civic Nexus (talk) 22:32, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia doesn't care about SEO issues at all. Masem (t) 23:15, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
+1 Feelings towards a rebranding and considerations about who benefits is also of no concern, only WP:Article titles. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 23:18, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I finally got over it. For the last 10 months, I was acting like a crybaby. And wanted X to change back to Twitter. But like most media sites. I’ve gotten over it. Elon Musk has completed his rebrand of Twitter to X.I think it’s time to make a change. Also Elon Musk has changed the URL from Twitter.com to X.com. In a post (not tweet or “x-press, even though that’s kinda a good name.) that “all core systems were on x.com” And it looks like a lot of people selected oppose, I mean I get it it. It’s not an easy thing to get over with, erasing one of the most recognizable brands in the world. But I got over it, after 10 months. And I never thought I would get over it. So I think it’s time for a change to, X (social network). Editior23 (talk) 23:51, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alternate: X (social network) is the article about the current platform (the rebranding of Twitter.) & Twitter is the article is about the social media platform before the rebrand to X. (I think it was Masem’s idea so credit to them.) Editior23 (talk) 23:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose that, like other people said. It’s the same thing. Misterunknown24 (talk) 12:03, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Even if it's the same thing ( a debatable point), there is clearly a size issue that everything dealing with Twitter and X cannot fit into one article and a split is necessary. The most natural split is on Musk's takeover, thus strong rationale to have "Twitter" be the old historical service and "X (social network)" as the current existing one. — Masem (t) 13:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Viacom (1952–2005) and Viacom (2005–2019) precedents uses parenthetical disambiguation. Perhaps something similar could be added to "Twitter" to make it not appear as separate? The infobox currently uses "Twitter (2006–2023)", which would match the two examples. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 14:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is never so much to write about a single entity that the most important points can't be summarized in one article (i.e. this one for Twitter/X). Christianity has a single main article although Christians don't even agree who is counted as Christian. Austria has a single main article even though it turned from a multi-ethnic empire into a small democratic nation state and later even ceased to exist for seven years. To bring a business example, the Hudson's Bay Company also has one main article although it changed from a fur trading company with its own army and navy to just another department store chain. On all three of these topics and many others there is a lot more content than there is on Twitter, yet we have one article about the entire entity and centuries of history. This is great for readers who don't care about every minute detail. We already have articles for Twitter, Inc., History of Twitter, X under Elon Musk and more -- any extra details can go into those. Second, I have yet to see reliable sources state that X is entirely distinct from Twitter. This is pure WP:OR. The only sources Masem brought for this claim quote Musk himself who is everything but neutral. Finally, introducing this an artificial hard split between old Twitter and X would lead to duplication of content (especially if also applied to other pages about Twitter/X) because contrary to Masem's claim, much of the features and community are still the same. Joe vom Titan (talk) 15:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
While features may be similar there are still enough differences like what blue checkmarks mean or the addition of live chat and video services that they really can't be summarized easily as one entity.
However a bigger factor is related to the controversies and legal actions taken by Twitter and by X. What affected Twitter in the past is not what X is facing, and much of the criticism of X (that it, allowing it to swing to the right) doesn't reflect on the original Twitter. And this is a significant part of both articles. Hence the split is still very natural.
Mind you, all of the Twitter and X related articles are poorly organized to start, and need a significant edit tobteadjystbthem to meet more encyclopedic standards if writing. In my mind I think that with that organization the split between Twitter and X would become even more obvious. — Masem (t) 16:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Twitter, Inc. is a separate topic but having articles called History of Twitter and Twitter under Elon Musk (among others) may imply to readers that they are about Twitter, Inc. since there would be no article called "Twitter" or Twitter (2006-2023). The article is also not called "X under Elon Musk" as you mentioned, and moving it would make no sense because Twitter under X has always been under Elon Musk. History of Twitter is not a good standalone article title. It may lead to multiple large articles (such as above) to be merged into this one because they won't meet WP:Article titles guidelines on precision and consistency. This article is already longer by word count compared to the Hudson's Bay Company example provided.
I don't see how Christianity being a single main article because "Christians don't even agree who is counted as Christian" has any relevance here. The article title itself meets WP:Article titles and its name is not dictated by Christians, or particular denominations, but by everyone. If all the Churches on earth decided to change the name of the religion, it won't change the article title on Wikipedia until or unless it meets WP:Article titles. The Austria example given also supports having multiple articles. There is no one Austria article as mentioned. There's Margraviate of Austria, Duchy of Austria, Archduchy of Austria, Austrian Empire, Austria-Hungary, Republic of German-Austria, First Austrian Republic, Federal State of Austria, Anschluss, Austria and History of Austria. While it could in theory be combined into one article, it isn't because of WP:Article size.
The argument that big things should be summarised into smaller things is not supported the examples provided. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 16:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I fail to see the relevance of any of the ideas discussed in your first comment here to WP:Article titles. In addition, it appears that a majority of those opposed to the page move are in support of Masem's proposal of soft splitting the article, which in effect creates an article for X. None of them are being a "crybaby" about it. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 23:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In my opinion, gradually we should rename articles from “Twitter.” to “X.” by its official name. But I’m not sure if people would like names such as “X features, X trends, Timeline of X.” Would you agree? I would like to have your opinion on my opinion. Editior23 (talk) 00:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My feelings towards marketing decisions made by the company is of no bearing. This is an encyclopedia. An article about X would be ideal as I have said before. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 00:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In the first comment, I was saying that I got over the fact that Twitter was X. And in my opinion (Don’t judge me if you think I’m wrong) people don’t want to accept the fact that Twitter is X. I’m very sorry if you didn’t understand by message there. Editior23 (talk) 00:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Stop creating more fake accounts, its so obvious it's you Thegreat6336836853- it's a bit weird that you care so much about this that you are willing to create 4+ accounts. Also if you are going to do it then at least don't make it so obvious with your writing style... Jasp7676 05:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support renaming articles referencing "Twitter" to X, with the exception of specific entities that no longer exist such as Twitter, Inc. I've definitely heard Charles III referred to as "Prince Charles" at least a couple of times in conversation since he became king, including by me - it can take time to catch up and that's okay, but it doesn't mean Wikipedia should lag behind. Oppose split as it's clearly the same website (and app, etc) with the same posts and accounts from before 2022. The only real difference is that it's now run by a controversial figure with Wikipedia:ECP on his article. UltrasonicMadness (talk) 01:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose- WP:COMMONNAME still lends credence to the "Twitter" name, given the constant need for clarification that "X" is "formerly known as Twitter". I also disagree on the notion that "Wikipedia shouldn't lag behind", given that as an encyclopedia our job is to "lag behind", not predict the future. Until I see solid evidence that "X" is indisputably the common name, I will oppose the name change.
Padgriffin Griffin's Nest 02:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article on SkyDrive was updated within a month when that service changed its name and the same has been true for MindGeek more recently. X has been called as such since last July and reliable sources are moving away from the old name, including The Guardian. NPR refers to it as "formerly Twitter" once at the start of an article before using X throughout for the remainder and Al Jazeera uses the names in a similar way, only referring to "Twitter" a couple of times when talking about events from before the rebranding. UltrasonicMadness (talk) 19:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support because it doesn't make sense to have the article name still be "Twitter", while everything about the platform has already moved on to "X". EarthTeen (talk) 16:44, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support X has been the official name for a while now, and the X platform has evolved from what Twitter was before. X no longer uses the Twitter domain either. GEGOBYTE (talk) 22:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know, I just thinlk X (website) is better because it is shorter.--2A01:5A8:30D:955E:10CC:DE2F:B0F1:6F3B (talk) 13:00, 21 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Most people still call it Twitter (almost no one uses "X", and even places like news sites that use it still say "formerly known as Twitter". Plus, and this is probably moving towards speculation, if and when Elon Musk loses ownership of the site, it will probably be officially reverted back to Twitter anyways. Ye9CYNMD (talk) 00:58, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i use twitter, but X is the official name. i don’t really care if we rename it to X, but who cares. Pickleishere (talk) 04:48, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

X.com

It appears that x.com is now the official URL and no longer re-directs to Twitter. Georgia guy (talk) 18:55, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See previous two sections. We have RS confirmation its changed, so we're discussion renaming and/or splitting. Masem (t) 18:58, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Talk following up from original: Requested move 17 May 2024.

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Ok. I get all of you want to make it redirect to X (social network). But Wikipedia won’t like it and some other people won’t like it and move it. What I suggest is a move to: X (formerly known as Twitter). It’s straight forward, it’s on point, it includes “Twitter.” & most media outlets even call it “X (formerly known as Twitter). I think it’s better than X (social network). Give me your opinions in the comments as: “Yay” or “Nay” & / or: “Agree.” or “Disagree.” Please give me a response, I’ll check the talk page in a couple hours after this post. Thegreat6336836853 (talk) 22:39, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]


I think Twitter site now redirects to X.com because I think Twitter is fully X and is finish now is little bit pending only the Wikipedia article I think you should wait one week then it will show. 18:25, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Agree. I would be mad that it would be “X (social network).” I mean it’s not bad but I think X (formerly known as Twitter) is better. Since it has Twitter in it. TheMasterMind321 (talk) 22:40, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure why this is a separate section. The proposed title implicitly violates WP:NCDAB. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 22:48, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Too long, as cool as the implicit Prince reference is. ~Sıgehelmus♗(Tøk) 22:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As stated above, X (formerly known as Twitter) doesn't follow guidelines and the title X (social media) is one of the few things that both supporters and opposers of the move can agree on. 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 00:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed the typo, I meant X (social network). 𝓣𝓱𝓮 𝓔𝓭𝓾𝓬𝓪𝓽𝓲𝓸𝓷 𝓐𝓾𝓭𝓲𝓽𝓸𝓻 09:30, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. Professional Adriazeri (talk) 02:42, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not a good compromise. Deiadameian (talk) 09:24, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. And definitely not "all of you". — kashmīrī TALK 10:59, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@TheMasterMind321: Removing sections from a talk page that have been commented on by other people is almost always a bad idea, unless it's being archived. I have restored the section as such. WP:TPO may be of note. Skarmory (talk • contribs) 13:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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We do not want the name changed! LanningNicolas (talk) 13:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is not how discussions are had. If you oppose the name change, please do so in the appropriate section: Talk:Twitter#Requested move 17 May 2024. GSK (talkedits) 13:59, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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This has gone on a little too long

While you were still arguing, Wikipedias in other languages moved or split this page.

For some reason I can't add it to the list because it doesn't appear.

Kerim Demirkaynak (talk) 07:27, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]