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November 4

Creating keyword rerouting

I am trying to get the phrase(s) "sea witch" [and/or "sea witches", "octopus-mermaid", "octo-mermaid", etc.] to be automatically redirected to the Wikipedia article cecaelia when doing a general Keyword search. How do I do this without creating a separate article for it? And what is the code I use to create this redirection? (I am not a member of Wikipedia at this time.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.166.86.99 (talk) 02:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Make a page with the text #REDIRECT [[Cecaelia]]. See more at Wikipedia:Redirect. You must currently be logged in to make a page. PrimeHunter 03:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

New article not appering in search

Hi Everyone:

I tried to research further, but seem to be strking out.

My understanding is that all articles should appear immediately. I have authored the following page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V._J._Trolio

When I do a generic searches 'Trolio', 'V.J. Trolio', it says there is not article. I even double-checked 'My Contributions' and it is there.

Does anyone has any ideas?

Thanks.

DAN —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danimal59 (talk • contribs) 03:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

You must wait for Wikipedia search to index the article. The "Go" button (activated by pressing Enter in the search box) works right away but only when the title is an exact match. PrimeHunter 03:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks...I thought it could possibly be an 'indexing' thing, but wasn't sure.... Thanks again! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Danimal59 (talk • contribs) 03:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

How to leave message for unpaged user?

Hi, I went to the article in the Hi Everyone section and would like to leave a message for the user on their talk page, but there isn't one. Is it okay for me to create one? Julia Rossi 04:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, that's what talk pages are for. --Bfigura ^(talk) 04:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks – I just thought it was an invasion if it's the User's. Cheers Julia Rossi 04:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Kaije Armena, Jr.

Kaije Armena (Kaiji Arumena) is an Japanese of Filipino descent who Illustrator, He was born on November 22, 1992. he was 15. He is an Illustrator and Web developer, Home Town is Legazpi city, Philippines. He like in Tokyo, Japan.

[Kaije's Website][1] [2]

Oscar Sanchez

I created a page called Oscar Sanchez. I created the page two weeks ago. Yesterday I did some editing on the page. Today, the page is not there. I checked the deleted page log and Oscar Sanchez is not there. What happened to the page I created? When I did a search for Oscar Sanchez, I am redirected to other Oscar Sanchez. I have created another page that was deleted, however, I was alerted to the reason it was going to be deleted and the page is in the deleted log.

Please let me know what happened to the page I created named Oscar Sanchez. Again, it is not in your deleted log.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by OscarRSanchez (talk • contribs) 05:06, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The article is still there. I think you forgot to use the accents on the o and a. Did you mean Óscar Sánchez? I'm also afraid this article does not appear notable, so I requested speedy deletion. — jacĸrм (talk) 06:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

And also, if you meant Óscar Sánchez or not, please do not delete a disambiguation page for a page about youself. You do not seem to be notable, but if you are, you do not explain why you are. — jacĸrм (talk) 06:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Add Comment to Citation within a Reference as part of a Wiki Article?

I would like to add a comment to a Citation. For example, a one or two sentence description of a Journal article. I was thinking of overloading location = in order to to do this. My citations are within a reference block <ref>....... </ref> Using Location = does not work in this context.

Any Advice Out There? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ITBlair (talk • contribs) 06:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

These are usually meant to be summed up in |title= and |work=. A one or two sentence is a rather long comment to have in a citation. My suggestion would just be to put who the journal is by, a date, and the basics. — jacĸrм (talk) 06:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

If you are trying to include a quotation to a reference, you could use the "quote" parameter, but that is for quotations only, not comments. --Silver Edge 08:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I have seen long commentary in a reference. They way they did it was to put it just before the /ref after the closing braces ( }} ) of the cite. Sbowers3 13:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

creating new pages

How do I Create new pages?

Zeno Boy 08:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --Silver Edge 08:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Administrator Review of an Article

How do I go about submitting an article for review by an administrator? I have an article that I believe needs looked at by one, due to disputes over article content. Kennedy ^(talk) 09:34, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Administrators are no better content reviewers than other regular editors, and an article would benefit the most if reviewed by an editor who has knowledge in the subject. Thus, if you have a page that needs outside input of other users, you might follow the process of Wikipedia:Requests for comment or Wikipedia:Third opinion. :) Best, 10:28, 4 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by PeaceNT (talk • contribs)

If the article was part of an active wikiproject then they might be of some help. Projects like milhist/maths/bio/Anime are very active and have a large knowledge base and might be able to help you. If talking does not work then the mediation cabal could help you. You might want to take a look at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution for some further reading. Woodym555 11:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

What the article needed was a review of the dispute, not a review of the content. One user reverted 7 times in one day - from 14,000 bytes down to 300 bytes. He complained that it was badly written. Other users challenged him to improve it, not delete it to almost nothing. Someone finally issued that user a 3RR warning.

KennedyBaird, if a user reverts 3 times in one day, then warn him about the WP:3RR policy. See {{uw-3rr}}. If he continues to revert, then write a report at WP:AN3. If you need help formatting the report, then just ask for help. Sbowers3 14:05, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks for all the advice. Thanks for looking into it for me Sbowers3. Kennedy ^(talk) 21:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion

My thanks and best regards to the team of Wikipedia. Here is a suggestion you may like to consider, which I experienced and others also.

Kinldy put "sound effects in spelling" some words which are commonly mis-spelled. In other dictionaries, there is a sound icon which reflects the sound of a word.

Best regards. SarwarMazumder —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarwarmazumder (talk • contribs) 11:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

You might want to try Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals). What you have to remember though is that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. You might want to try wiktionary] which is a dictionary. Hope this helps. Woodym555 12:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Wiktionary has pronunciation sound-clips - why don't you look there? Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, and most people associate sound-clips with a dictionary. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 12:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Sarwarmazumder does have a pont, though I think that would have limited use here. I could see it being helpful for the pronunciation of foreign terms if they are the title of an article or a subject header, for example. Jeffpw 12:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Richard Prescott

the author Richard Prescott Officially Dead —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.194.69.6 (talk) 13:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but what is your question? This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. If you have a general knowledge question, you may want to try the Reference desk. Otherwise, can you please elabourate? NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 13:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

How do i make a sugg. on having a program on tvland or nick at night (Family W/Kristy McNichol)I would really like to see it but have no clue who to contack to suggest

changing article name

How do you correct an article name? The name is incorrectly spelt and I can't modify the article name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.38.140.27 (talk) 14:02, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

What is the article? You rename an article by moving it, but you have to be a registered user to do that. Sbowers3 14:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

It is entitled 'Iyad Allawi' when it should actually read 'Ayad Allawi' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.38.140.27 (talk) 14:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

thank you very much! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.38.140.27 (talk) 14:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I moved it. Even before you replied, I looked at your contribs and guessed that it might be Iyad Allawi. The subject himself and most of the refs spell it Ayad so I moved it. First time I've ever done a move but the motto here is be bold so I did it and it worked smoothly. Sbowers3 14:22, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The mystery country

is argentina the mystery country for history —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.7.200.58 (talk) 15:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Your question appears to be a homework question. We apologize if this is a misevaluation, but it is our policy here to not do people's homework for them. If there's any other way we can help, feel free to let us know. Thanks! GlassCobra 15:17, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

In full agreement with the above message, you may find our article on Argentina useful and come to your own conclusions.--Fuhghettaboutit 15:25, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and for factual questions you want the reference desk. Hut 8.5 15:44, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Categorization

I want to categorize an article I have written.

I have found a great deal of discussion about categorization.

What I cannot find is a tab or box which says:

"Click here to enter a category for this article" or something similar.

P.S. - I have no idea what this means:

Please sign your question using Cycleman 16:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC).

Signed, Cycleman 16:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC).

Hey Cycleman! For help putting an article into categories, check out Help:Category#Putting an item in a category. As for signing, that just means four tildes (~~~~), which produces your name and the date after your post. Hope this helps! GlassCobra 16:07, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

(E/C):Hi, when you use the ~~~~ your signature is added by the software, as you can see above. With regards to categories, to add an article to a category, e.g. the "fluffy creatures" category, you would edit an article and enter [[Category:Fluffy creatures]] at the bottom. It will be added to category when the article edit is saved. See the Wikipedia page on categorization for more info. Woodym555 16:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

(after EC}:Hi Cycleman. The way to categorize an article is to add categories it fits into at the bottom. A random example: [[Category:Chemists]]. To make it sort in the category by last name, you would type [[Category:Chemists|Doe, John]]. For multiple categories, however, instead of piping the name, you can add above the list of categories a single template which sorts into all of them: {{DEFAULTSORT:Doe, John}} To find such categories, you can browse Wikipedia:Categorical index, but I find the best way is to find an article on a similar topic to provide an example to use. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit 16:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Fred Thompson article

The Fred Thompson article has been locked indefinitely and the talk page says that it will be locked until the election is over. I believe this means the administrator means to keep the article locked until after November 2008. Could someone help unlock this article. Remember 16:15, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The user who is writing on the talk page about locking forever is engaging in subtle irony. He is not the admin who locked the page and is not in fact an admin at all. Sbowers3 18:21, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Leave your request on WP:RFPP under the requests for unprotection heading. Administrators there will be happy to discuss it with you. Woodym555 16:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Gaster could use some looking at

Gaster used to be a surname redirect page, but it's also an anatomical term referring to the "abdomen" of Apocrita Hymenoptera (ants wasps and bees). Probably one of the two functions should be moved to a disambiguation page, but I'm not sure which one. Move the anatomy to Gaster (insect), or the surnames to Gaster (surname)?

Advice (or just plain action) from someone more experienced would be appreciated. 71.41.210.146 16:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the surname information to Gaster (surname). The anatomical use of the word remains at Gaster. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 17:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, looks good! 71.41.210.146 20:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Always happy to help. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 20:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

to create new page for a new place

hi, 17:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)i want to create a page about my native place OBRA(Aurangabad) ,bihar, INDIA220.227.149.135 17:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC). so how can i create this page? Guide me as soon as possible.

First, you need to create an account. Then, just type in Aurangabad in the search box, and click go, and hit "create a new page". Or, alternatively, come back here after creating an account, and click on the following link: Aurangabad. Hope this helps~! 17:13, 4 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smartyllama (talk • contribs) Edit: Apparently, the page already exists. And why in the world did sinebot do that? 17:14, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

SineBot saw you didn't sign properly with a user page link. The question appears to be about the place Obra in Aurangabad district, Bihar in India. There is already another Obra, India. I'm not sure about the naming convention here but Obra, Bihar may work. You can create an account and make the page - or wait to Friday where anonymous page creation may become allowed. PrimeHunter 20:41, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

how do I attcah a photo to my edits article page?

Dear Editor,

I am trying to edit an artcle (DROPme)and would like to attach a relevenat jpeg image. I have tried copy& past but that doesn't seem to work.

Any suggestions, redirections please.

Thanks

Tinje —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tinje (talk • contribs) 18:10, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not accept external images. If you want to use your image in an article, you'll have to upload it. Make sure it complies with the image use policy, though. GlassCobra 18:12, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Read more: Wikipedia:Images

Don't forget that to embed the image in the article, you must type [[Image:Example.jpg]]. You can also type [[Image:Example.jpg|Xpx]] to shrink or enlarge the image to X by X pixels. For example, typing [[Image:Example.jpg|20px]] will display the image in a 20 by 20 pixel space.NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 18:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, be sure that the image is not copyrighted. Corvus cornix 00:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

What to do about repeated addition of copyrighted text?

The article Beijing National Aquatics Centre (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under frequent attack by various accounts (first an IP account from Australia, and then by various SPAs). What can we do about this?

• Checkuser is a big effort for little and short lasting effect. The user will just keep creating new accounts.
• Temporary semi-protection is not possible, since none of the conditions of WP:PROT apply. Moreover, it only would work indirectly, hurting our prospect of improving this stub, and not addressing the problem at the root.
• AN/I does not apply, since it doesn't specifically require admin action
• Just keep reverting. So far, I'm the only one. And frankly, I feel we all have better things to do here than repeat doing the same thing over and over again.

I am a bit frustrated, not just about the obnoxious user, but also about our bureaucracy that makes it so hard to find a way to deal with this. — Sebastian 19:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

You could request the page be fully protected, but if you feel the protection policy doesn't apply, then there's no reason not to bring it up at AN/I; if the admins can't help you (which I find odd in this case - they take copyvios very seriously), then you could try Dispute resolution. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 19:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. Full protection would even be worse - that would be like shooting a rat with a cannon! I am trying to avoid AN because I know how much backlog we have in many areas that do require admin action, so I don't want to compound the backlog by add some that shouldn't require admin action. That would only hurt Wikipedia overall. Moreover, I just don't know what else an admin could do, anyway. — Sebastian 20:19, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

This seems to me to be a warn and then take to WP:AIV issue. The first time a copyvio is posted you warn ({{nothanks}} or {{uw-copyright}}). Once warned and then ignored, further posting of the material by the same user or IP is vandalism (which is not subject to 3RR by the way). Just follow up in an escalating series as you would for any other form of vandalism ({{uw-vandalism2}}, {{uw-vandalism3}} and {{uw-vandalism4}}). Once the material is added after a final warning, report for the block. I'm not saying this is not without its slowness and frustrations, and of course it's subject to gaming (for example if they wait before posting again it's not within the technical requirments of AIV), but once it becomes complex, it is a proper AN/I issue. But you likely won't get far if you haven't taken the steps to warn first.--Fuhghettaboutit 20:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I didn't think of AIV, because it's not really vandalism. Still, that might be a good idea. There have been several warnings like the ones you describe already. I really don't care that terribly about this one article. My question was only to find out if there is a way to fight such attacks in a way that aren't more work intensive than the attacks themselves. It's easy to create a new account and to revert a change, but if those who want to defend Wikipedia have to jump through several hoops for each attack, then that's just no solution. I have to leave now, but if there's really no straightforward way that I overlooked then maybe I'll post it on the village pump later. — Sebastian 21:00, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I sympathize with your time cost versus benefit argument. Note though that continued copyright violations after a warning is indeed vandalism, and of a pernicious stripe.--Fuhghettaboutit 21:56, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your explanations and your sympathy. The problem is that we can't say it's repeated until we checkuser. I decided, unsatisfactory as it may be, it's not worth my time to pursue this any further and I'll just unwatch that page. I don't want to hog the help desk either, so if anyone wants to keep discussing this, please just drop me a note. — Sebastian 02:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

PS: I just noticed that the same applies to the Chris Bosse article: [3]. But I'll stay with my decision to practice WP:DISENGAGE and I'm not reverting that; maybe someone else wants to do that. — Sebastian 02:11, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Oscar Sanchez (2)

created a page titled Oscar Sanchez. The page was running for about 2 weeks with no problems. Yesterday, I went to edit my page and if was not there. I received no notice of deletion and no explanation. I checked the deletion log and my page was not in the deletion log. I don't know what happened to my page. I thought that someone from the outside deleted my page. I created the page again last night. Today I received a notice that I was vandalizing the page Oscar Sanchez page. I don't know what is going on. My user name is OscarRSanchez I was not vandalizing Oscar Sanchez. Can you please let me know what to do. Is there something I can do different so that my page does not get deleted again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OscarRSanchez (talk • contribs) 20:32, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

You created your article by modifying a disambiguation page. That is not the correct place to create an article. You can create it using hatnotes at, for example, Oscar Sanchez (entrepreneur). NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 20:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Read more: Wikipedia:Disambiguation, Wikipedia:Hatnotes

Please note that if you were to create an article about yourself, it would be a conflict of interest and would probably be deleted as you, unfortunately, do not pass the notability guidelines at this point. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 20:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Read more: Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Notability

I guess your first "created" page was this edit to Óscar Sánchez which also overwrote a disambiguation page instead of creating a new page. Oscar Sanchez redirects to Óscar Sánchez, so you may be at the latter when you think you are at the former. PrimeHunter 21:03, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Oscar Sanchez - 2

I did a search for Oscar Sanchez and received a message that there were no pages with that name. I was received a promp that I can create a page for Oscar Sanchez. I did. I created the page and spent alot of time and efford editing the page. The page was running ok until yesterday. When I tried to go into Oscar Sanchez to add some more information, I found another page. I checked the deleted loge and the page was Not there. I als received no messages about the intent to delete. I thought that someone from the outside deleted my page. I recreated the page. Now Iam getting a notice the I modified a disambiguation page. The answer I received is below. I created the page first. When you did a search for Oscar Sanchez, my page came up. I am not Oscar Sanchez. I work for Oscar Sanchez and he is a notable person in South Florida. Several articles were written about him in our local news papers. Maybe I have made mistakes creating his page, but I did not have a chance to correct the mistake. Can you please investigate this matter. The page I created was created first. Then it became a disambiquation page. Please let me know what I need to do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OscarRSanchez (talk • contribs)

You created your article by modifying a disambiguation page. That is not the correct place to create an article. You can create it using hatnotes at, for example, Oscar Sanchez (entrepreneur). NF24(radio me!Editor review) 20:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

It appears the above reply was pasted from somewhere, but let me just expand a bit: I realize Wikipedia might seem confusing at first, (please click on the blue words to read the policy/guide they refer to). Wikipedia is not like other sites you may have come across. First, it is an encyclopedia. What this means, is that it is not MySpace, or FaceBook, or a place to host personal webspace, or a place where editors can make articles about anything they wish. Wikipedia has Core policies, such as neutrality, notability, verifiability, etc. What does all of this mean? Well, it means that any article on Wikipedia must demonstrate notability (meaning it must be note worthy, covered by the media, etc.), and have reliable, third-party sources (such as news media articles, magazine/trade journal articles) written about the subject, and the information given in the article must cite those sources to verify it is true. As mentioned, you cannot just over-ride a disambiguation page, with your own content. Additionally, looking at the version you put up, I'll have you note again the biography notability requirements, it would appear your article would not meet those requirements. I could, of course, be wrong, but you'd need to provide reliable third-party sources to verify your notability. However, and perhaps most importantly, your username would suggest that you are the person you were writing about. Wikipedia has a conflict of interest guideline that states you should not create or edit articles about yourself, your company, your family, friends, etc., as you'd likely be unable to do so neutrally. If you are notable enough, and article would be created by other editors. There are many, many business owners out there who would not meet the notability requirements for an encyclopedia, so please don't take this as saying you're not important, the two are not the same thing. It is just that Wikipedia uses the same standards as other printed encyclopedia, so you may wish to review all the policies and guidelines linked here. I hope that helps to explain the issues! Cheers, Ariel♥Gold 21:29, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Also previously answered here. Ariel♥Gold 21:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

And also answered in the section above. Please stop creating new sections about the same. Click the edit link to the right to add a comment to an existing section. There is clear proof that you changed a disambiguation page here - and you probably also did it before logging in here. PrimeHunter 21:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Articles of a Prince

The articles that I posted were deleted and the reason was because they weren't significant, Last time I checked anything that is written in this encyclopedia is NO FACT And can't be trusted, so who are you people to say what is or isn't important? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kreedskulls (talk • contribs) 21:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

It is too bad that you're under that impression. Please review the core policies of Wikipedia, to understand why verifiability, notability (importance), and neutrality are some of the basics that determine if an article is deleted. I think you'd find that the majority of articles on Wikipedia, especially the good and featured articles are highly accurate, well sourced and cited, and demonstrate the dedication of the millions of people who work to create this repository. Ariel♥Gold 21:42, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

We here at wikipedia have some rules on what is notable or not. If your article fails these, then it will be deleted. I would suggest you read, and follow our notability guideliness. Also, only a small amount of our edits here are not true. The majority of what is written here is true. Cheers!--SJP 21:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Making a page easier to search for

Is there any way to add a keyword for a page to make it easier to find? For example, I was searching to find out what a wad cutter is and typed in the search wad cutter. This didn't come up with anything, however when the word is mispelled as wadcutter, it directs you to the wadcutter page. I want to discuss changing the spelling on the page before I edit it, so is there at least a way I can make it easier to find the page through the search engine? Flash176 21:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Should the page be titled "Wad cutter" or "Wadcutter"? If it is the first, then a user can move the page to the correct title. If it should be "Wadcutter", we could create a redirect page titled "Wad cutter" that would redirect to "Wadcutter". Which is correct? — Soleil (formerly I) 21:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

First of all, please sign your name by clicking that tab on the top that looks like a signature. It is okay that you did not since you did not know to:) Are you sure that you did not spell the word wrong? That could be the problem. As for doing something to the search engine, you can make a re-direct to the article. For an example, someone may look up The Group Hamas and have nothing come up. If you add a re-direct to Hamas, then it will bring them to the Hamas article. Happy editing!--SJP 21:49, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

"Wadcutter" has 88700 Google hits [4] and "Wad cutter" only has 15400 [5]. This indicates "Wadcutter" is the more common name and should be used per Wikipedia:Naming conventions. I have created a redirect from Wad cutter to Wadcutter. PrimeHunter 21:58, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I was just adding my name when you edited. :) Some people spell it as 1 word, but I believe most, including the companies that make the ammo, spell it as 2 words. But my question is until the spelling of the page is changed(if it ever is), is there any way to get the search to show that page? Because if you do a search for wad cutter, nothing comes up for that page, I had to find it some other way. But I just saw PrimeHunter's edit, so it's a moot point. Thanks, guys. Flash176 21:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

If there is, I assume only a developer will be able too. Since I am not a developer, I cannot help you. Sorry:(--SJP 00:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Articles Copied from Another Website

What is the proper procedure for dealing with articles that may have been directly copied from another website? One article I noticed is partially written in 1st person as if it was copied off the company website. -Zomic13 21:55, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

What is the article? It may have copyrighted text, it may be written like an advertisement, it may have a non-notable subject. The procedure depends on the circumstances. PrimeHunter 22:02, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Yellow Book (directory) -Zomic13 22:04, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It was User:Yellowbookdenton who added "Today we publish 835 directories ..." [6]. It's the only edit by that account and a copyright violation of http://www.yellgroup.com/english/aboutyell-yellowbookusa, so I have reverted it. PrimeHunter 22:18, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Websites are generally copyrighted unless otherwise stated. In this case the original page directly says "Copyright 2007 Yell Limited", and http://www.yellgroup.com/english/sitetermsconditions says: "No materials from this website may be copied, downloaded, reproduced, broadcast, shown or played in public, republished, uploaded, posted, stored, transmitted or distributed in any way or adapted or changed in any way." It was probably somebody from the company who added it to Wikipedia for promotion (violating Wikipedia:Conflict of interest) but that doesn't change that it must be removed. PrimeHunter 22:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

adding a biography

how does one do this please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.212.48.40 (talk) 23:40, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

You will need to first register an account, which has many benefits, including the ability to create articles. Once you have registered, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 23:57, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

High contrast skin option?

Hi - don't know if this is already possible with regular wikipedia options but I was wondering if there is a skin/way to view wikipedia with inverted colours (ie, white text/black background). I view wikipedia a lot and find the black text/white background to be very jarring on my eyes after a while.

I read somewhere that when looking at a reflective surface (like a computer screen) it is easier for the human eye to read light text on a dark background.

Rokos 23:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

An inverted colours skin is not built-in to Wikipedia. You can create your own skins (I think), but I'm not familiar with the skinning process other than the fact that you must know at least some CSS. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 23:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there somewhere (like an accessibility page) that I can request one be made? It would be a great help for my eyes :)Rokos 00:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, you might want to have a look at M:Gallery of user styles to see if theres maybe a style there you could use. Hope this helps Andy^reply 00:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Also WikiProject Accessibility might be the people to ask. -- DatRoot 00:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, guys. I don't really know how to do the CSS coding but I did lodge a suggestion on the Accessibility page.Rokos 00:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

November 5

Created Articles

Is there an automatic way (on wiki or off wiki) to see a list of articles an editor has created?--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 00:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Created? Perhaps not. But you can see all their contributions by going to their user page and clicking "User Contributions" in the toolbox at left. Geologyguy 00:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I know.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 00:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

You can use the New pages log for some recent ones but i think it has a time limiter on it though. yours for example. I think the question came up before here and no-one could find one, if i remember correctly. Woodym555 00:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, some keep a list of articles they have created. I do here. It is not a universal thing though, so not everyone does it. Cheers!--SJP 00:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I was thinking of making a list like that for my private use, but I've forgotten which articles I've created; thus my question.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 00:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

• You want to check the m:Toolserver. I can't remember who had the tool or what it's called, but I'm sure there was one there that does what you want at some point. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:46, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Making a Barnstar

I'm wanting to make a barnstar but I don't know what to do/page to make so that other people can use the barnstar. I know normal barnstars you do the whole "{{subst nameofstar" etc......but HOw to do that for me > < --Diaboli 01:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Please reply to my question on Talk Page since I have no desire to watch this page and check every update to see for a reply, thanks in advance --Diaboli 03:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Deleting Information

How does one delete prejudicial information on a site that the owner's of said site want eliminiated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drjcoby (talk • contribs) 02:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If you are talking about St Matthews University, then you need to discuss changes on the articles talk page. Anyhow, those edits you made to that article weren't necessary anyways. Are you talking about something else? You have to be more specific. - Rjd0060 02:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

And if that is the edit in question, then just because material is negative about the subject is no reason to delete it, especially if the information is properly backed up by reliable sources. —C.Fred (talk) 03:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Plagiarism---Answers.com

What should I do if I find a user who has written thousands of articles mostly by copying and pasting from answers.com? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Franky210 (talk • contribs) 02:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, Answers.com is itself a mirror of Wikipedia. Do you have any evidence? You also seem to be personally attacking them (User:Bryson109) on their talkpage. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 02:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Since Answers.com uses Wikipedia articles, it is much more likely that Answers.com is using the articles he wrote. Mr.Z-man 02:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

It just does not seem likely that a user who has written almost entirely identical pages to those on answers.com and all are around 2 sentences long, that the information was obtained from somewhere other than that site obtained from that site. This user has quite literally no non-stub articles. Why would anybody really go around making a bunch of stub articles on one subject? If they really liked the topic they'd delve deaper. It seems like more like someone found a topic wikipedia didn't have articles on and created a bunch of articles on it to make them look smart or have a bunch of edits —Preceding unsigned comment added by Franky210 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Again, Answers.com is a Wikipedia mirror. The length of the articles they write does not matter. Many articles start as stubs simply because there is not much to write about, or because of a lack of third-party information. Take U.S. Virgin Islands Highway 305 for example. (Yes, I wrote that article). It is a very minor road which does not provide much to write about, and due to the lack of USVI governmental presence on the Internet, there are no official sources. Thus, a stub. The pages will be identical because Answers.com "scrapes" the text right off of Wikipedia and places it on their page - crediting Wikipedia, of course. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 03:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I really don't see the connection here. How does writing a stub article make you suspect of plagiarism? Maybe this user likes writing stub articles. Delving deeper into stubs or not is a personal preference, not a sign of guilt. And as Mr.Z-man and NF24 said, you chose the wrong article source to investigate. You cannot investigate a Wikipedia mirror and then accuse a Wikipedia editor of plagiarism. That would be the same as looking at yourself in the mirror and then accusing yourself of following your reflection. Dr.K. 03:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Natalie Suarez

Can Wikipedia PLEASE delete anything that was written about "Natalie Suarez" out of the database and off the internet? That would be great. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gigistar (talk • contribs) 03:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If it was an attack article, it's likely that an administrator has already deleted it. Regards, Neranei (talk) 03:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, looking at the logs, it was deleted because she was a non-notable model. It has been deleted. Regards, Neranei (talk) 03:48, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Donate button

the Donate button shouldnt be in red, it reminds one of stopping, esp next to the green —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.93.235.9 (talk) 05:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Using a Published Text That's Not Available on the Web as a Reference

If I am using a published book, such as an autobiography, to add content to a page, how do I appropriate source/reference that on the page so that the information is not challenged? Specifically this text is not available on the internet to just read for free. TheGoonSquad 05:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

You can use Template:Cite book. --Silver Edge 05:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks kindly. Could you review Starrbooty and RuPaul Is: Starbooty! and look at the reference section I added and tell me if it is sufficient. The articles are being challenged by some anonymous person who claims the films are not noteworthy which to me seems ludicrous, but I want to cover my bases. TheGoonSquad 06:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

People who don't clean their house

Hi

Does anyone know if there is a medical condition that prevents people from cleaning their house?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.246.9.122 (talk) 07:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

You mean the condition that Oscar the Grouch suffers from? =P You should try the Reference desk. --Silver Edge 07:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I...

Deal with a dead link? It's a URL that's supposed to connect to CNN, which it does just fine, but gives a 404 message. In brief, nothing there anymore. I'm tempted to delete the whole thing, citation included. Advice?

Timothy Perper 09:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Dead external links for instructions on what to do. Bascially, don't remove a link just because it's dead; try to repair it if you can, or use {{dead link}} if you can't. --ais523 09:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Getting an opinion on language

Is there a way to get a native English speaker's opinion on an article? I've been trying to fix an article I consider to have pretty bad grammar and language, but after a couple of reverts I'm worried about ending up in an edit war (and about doing a lot of work for nothing). Tales 10:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll take a look at it. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 12:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Assuming it was the article Margit Sandemo, the last paragraph of the first section (Childhood) was written pretty badly, by a seemingly non-English speaker (If it was you, Tales, no offence! I am VERY stringent when it comes to grammar). Copied from the Swedish/Norwegian Wikipedia, perhaps? The section Literary career had minor errors. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 12:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

No offence taken even if I had written it. :) Well, you have less to criticize than me, so maybe I'm wrong. Phrasings such as the last part of "In the central role are distinct amulets, old writings and symbols, which deciphering the main characters solve riddles stage by time and fight against the evil powers" left me a bit confused. Tales 14:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Printing an article

Greetings,

I must admit I am not very computer savvy. I know know that anyone can contribute to this site and therefore sometimes the information isn't always 100% correct, but I would really like to know if it is possible to print an article I am interested in?

Sincerely, Diana Womack —Preceding unsigned comment added by Virginiawomack (talk • contribs) 10:35, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Just use your browsers 'print' feature (on the 'File' menu in most browsers, or the menu next to the icon of a printer in Internet Explorer 7). You may want to choose 'Printable version' in the toolbox to the left of the page first; this will put the page into a form more suitable for printing. --ais523 10:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Gregg paskins

how do i sign in and that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Collinmcrae (talk • contribs) 13:05, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

You have signed in, your user name is Collinmcrae. I have left a welcome message on your talk page with links on how to edit wikipedia. Have you got a specific problem signing in? Woodym555 13:11, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

How to upload File/Images of Articles. Public can Allowed to see and not allowed to Edit....

Hi I am Sunilkumara, My I had couple queries while using WIKIPEDIA. Please help me How to upload File/Images of Articles. Public can Allowed to see and not allowed to Edit.... Please reply.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.123.182.161 (talk) 13:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

• If you want to add an existing image to an article, type [[Image:File name.jpg|right|Optional caption.]] to the article – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, right with the alignment of the image on the page and Optional caption with the caption, which of course, is optional. See our picture tutorial for more information.
• If you want to upload an image from your computer, to put in an article, you must find out what license the image is licensed under. If you know your image is licensed under a free-license, upload it to the Wikimedia Commons, where all projects have access to the image. If you are unsure what license your image is licensed under, see the file upload wizard for more information. Also, please read Wikipedia's image use policy, because if you upload the image under a false license, you may be blocked.

Hope this has helped. Note that you must create an account to upload images; why don't you go do that now? NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 13:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If i am judging your question correctly, the answer is you can't. This is because Wikipedia is the encyclopedia that everyone can edit. There is no way of preventing edits to an article because you don't want people to edit them. See Wikipedia:About and Wikipedia:Who writes Wikipedia for a more detailed response. Hope this helps. Woodym555 13:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

How to request WIKIPEDIA Officers regarding Kannada Language as to List in other languages like English, Chainese, Hindhi Etc

How to request WIKIPEDIA Officers regarding Kannada Language as to List in other languages like English, Chainese, Hindhi Etc —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.123.182.161 (talk) 13:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Please phrase your question as a question. What Wikipedia officers are you trying to find? Admins, bureaucrats, stewards? Do any of those words sound familiar to you? Or, are you looking for the Kannada Wikipedia? It's located at http://kn.wikipedia.org. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 13:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If your post is about links in the "In other languages" box to the left on many pages then see Help:Interlanguage links, and come back if you have a specific question. PrimeHunter 15:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Inappropriate Image?

Hi, I was just wondering whether explicit pictures are acceptable on Wikipedia. I have just come accross this article Frenular_delta, and as you can see it contains a rather graphic image. Should this be removed or not? Thanks. --79.72.113.19 14:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia, as an encyclopedia, may contain images and content that some find offensive. The encyclopedia is not censored, and you may find other articles like this that contain encyclopedically appropriate images of human anatomy. Leebo ^T/C 14:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Creating a Wiki for Mass Effect!

Hi I was wondering how does someone go about creating a Wiki for an upcoming video game that will overload the standard Wiki page. You see Mass Effect is a video game that comes out on the 20th of this month and it contains a whole SciFi universe of content from planets to weapons just like Star Wars or Halo and it should receive it's own Wiki Project in my opinion before the game is released. Any help to create one or an invite to help one that is in the works would be appreciated. Oh I know my Wiki profile is new but I have been with other Wiki projects under the same name for a while. Bioevil087 14:52, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

It would help if you could clarify what you mean a little bit. You are using several terms that mean different things as though they're synonyms. Firstly, Mass Effect has a Wikipedia article, but that doesn't seem to be what you meant. It's part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games, and having its own WikiProject would probably be inappropriate; at most it could have a task force for articles related to the game. Perhaps you mean that it should have its own wiki unrelated to Wikipedia. If that's the case, I can't really offer much help, because such a wiki may already exist. Does any of that sound right? Leebo ^T/C 14:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikia has a Mass Effect Wiki at http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect_Wiki. Category:WikiProject Video games shows many games have their own WikiProject here at Wikipedia. Creating one for a game which hasn't been released yet sounds a bit odd to me, but it can be suggested at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals. PrimeHunter 15:19, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Background image on wiki page

Can anyone out there tell me if it is possible to put a background image on a wiki page (like a faded watermark) and have text flowing over the top. If so, how do I do it please. Thanks Annie —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anniehall53 (talk • contribs) 15:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Do you mean on your user page or in an article? The latter would not be acceptable. --Orange Mike 17:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC) (and please remember to sign your posting with four ~ tildes)

Oops! Sorry. I forgot. Our company has its own wiki and I'm editing my regional office's page. Its on that that I want to include a faded background image (behind the text). Can you help please? Anniehall53 16:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

VIETNAM WAR

What was the cause of Vietnam war. How come the Americans got involved? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.220.77.149 (talk) 16:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

See Vietnam War. PrimeHunter 16:20, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I make a wikiproject?????

Hi, I would like to make a wikiproject on McDonalds? Thanks--S.C.Ruffeyfan 16:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

The page for proposing a new WikiProject is Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals. Take note that it can be very difficult to run a WikiProject and keep it going smoothly. It takes a lot to get it off the ground. Also note that McDonald's already falls under the realm of several other projects, which can be seen on the talk page. It's possible that a task force within one of those existing projects would be better suited for your needs. Leebo ^T/C 16:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

robotc power supply

is it possible to use ac power supply for a mobile robot whis moves or performs through a predefined path? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.51.180.18 (talk) 16:39, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. Leebo ^T/C 16:42, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

English Speaking Schools in Europe

Hello,

We currently operate an independent English speaking high school in Europe. The school provides a unique learning environment for students from North America and abroad. We would like to link our website to Wikipedia and I am asking if this would be possible and how I would go about doing this? You may contact us with a response to <removed e-mail address for privacy reasons>.

Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.117.200 (talk) 16:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by "link[ing] [y]our website to Wikipedia"? --Orange Mike 17:11, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

crystals

Do crystals grow at the same rate? We are doing a science project for school. Thank you, —Preceding unsigned comment added by Penwill72 (talk • contribs) 11:59, 5 November 2007

• Kind of a vague queation. Have you thought aboout looking it up in the library rather than asking someone for an answer? --evrik ^(talk) 17:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
• See crystallization. If you have a more specific question then: Have you tried the science section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter 17:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Style question

If I want to include an external {{link}} as part of an article. including it as part of the "External links" section puts it too far away from the text to make it useful. It's also not a reference. Stylistically, does anyone have good examples of what could be done? --evrik ^(talk) 17:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

What is the article and link? PrimeHunter 17:13, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If you just want to put in a link, bracket the full URL with single square brackets like [7] <-this. But if it's neither a reference nor an external link adding to the article as a whole, be cautious about inserting it. --Orange Mike 17:14, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

• The article in question is Scouting in Pennsylvania. Each of the individual councils has its own link. Right now they sit at the bottom of the article, but I think they should somehow be integrated into each section. This is an issue with each of the 50 different state articles, and I'd like to propose a uniform solution. --evrik ^(talk) 20:51, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
  • Keeping links together in the external links section seems OK to me. But I'm not sure every council should have its own link, especially when many councils have their own article. Wikipedia is not a link farm. Something like Scouting in Illinois#Three Fires Council needs a link pruning. PrimeHunter 22:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
• I agree with you. I want to minimize the number of links. This is why I was looking for some style suggestions. Since the write-up on each of these councils is so short, i don't think that adding the external link is a violation of WP:NOT#LINK. --evrik ^(talk) 17:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Home page

Hi. Just a simple question really. How do i make Wikipedia my home page? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.135.181 (talk) 17:21, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If you're using Internet Explorer, click on Tools at the top of the screen, click Internet Options at the bottom. Then change the home address. Rudget _{Contributions} 17:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Many users in the past requesting this have sought to have the random article feature be their homepage (thus a random Wikipedia article pops up when you open a window). If you'd like this, follow the directions above and use as the address: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random --Fuhghettaboutit 18:25, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding Switch and Data's PAIX (Peering and Internet Exchange) to the list of US providers

Hello,

In your list of Exchange Points by size you mention that "This list is not exhaustive. Particularly data of IXPs from the United States is hard to come by. Other large peering points are the MAE group, FreeIX, Equinix, NAP of the Americas and PacketExchange." I see that PAIX is not included in your list in this paragraph. Since we operate a larger exchange than NOTA I feel that it is only representative that PAIX be included in this high-level list.

Please let me know if there is any specific ionformation that we can provide to help make your tool more accurate and valuable to your users.

Thanks,

Drew Leoanrd Director of Product Marketing <removed e-mail address for privacy reasons>—Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.208.9.10 (talk) 17:24, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If an impartial, third-party source can be provided for this information, additional points can be added by any editor. Please be aware, however, of our policies on conflicts of interest and self-promotion. --Orange Mike 17:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

How to Edit the Page Name

I created a page for a person under his name. The last name mistakenly does not display with the first letter capitalized. How do I edit the page name to fix this? (i.e. I want to change "Jacob teitelbaum" to "Jacob Teitelbaum"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rscrouse (talk • contribs) 17:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

 Done -(See:here)- Rudget _{Contributions} 17:30, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

See m:Help:Moving a page for how this is done.--Fuhghettaboutit 18:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Text boxes: Table: Colors etc

Can anyone tell me where I can learn the codes used by Wikipedia.Ron Barker 17:57, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Ron. Help:Table should have the specifics you need on how to build a table. Good luck! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:07, 5 November 2007 (UTC) Thank you very much Ron Barker 20:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

help uploading an image

Hello,

I have uploaded an image several times now and it has been taken off the article last time. I don't understand why? The copyright holder is Adrian Piper. She took the picture herself and she is happy for it to be in the public domain. How does this work? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cglaeser (talk • contribs) 18:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

If you didn't take the picture yourself, you will need to carefully follow the instructions here. Copyright is taken very seriously, and so those procedures need to be followed to the letter to make sure we're not violating any copyrights or the terms of the GFDL. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

KACE?

Hi

I am trying to get a post about a company that shares its name with a radio station KACE

I have offered ample evidence that more persons are interested in the KACE company topic than the KACE radio station topic

However, My evidence is being ignored...ple.ase let me konw who I can make my KACE to :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaceuser (talk • contribs) 20:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

You could use hatnotes. Perhaps you could name your article "KACE (company)". NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 22:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Further reading: Wikipedia:Hatnotes

The user (since banned) wanted to take over the long-standing page for the radio station, because his company was "more important." We've create a dab page now; but there's a user (new or sockpuppet) who wants to undo this, or at least go to as generic a name as possible, even though there are other companies out there called KACE or Kace something. --Orange Mike 22:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to center align text?

Using wiki, is there a code to center align text? What is it? How, oh how, do I center align?

Thanks!

Beseechedspark 22:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Since MediaWiki accepts most HTML input, you can use plain old <center> tags.

Centre-aligned text

Hope this helps! NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 22:03, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there a wiki-specific code? One that uses the double brackets and doesn't involve HTML? Beseechedspark 22:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I don't believe so. Double brackets/braces are for linking and templates. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 22:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

For Wikipedia specifically, the template {{center}} will work. The code {{center|Lorum ipsum est centrerino}} appears as

Lorum ipsum est centrerino

The tag is a few keystrokes shorter than the center tags, but uses similar html tags (in this case, div align=center). Is there an application which you have in mind? --TeaDrinker 23:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it's good to know that I can use HTML on Wikipedia, but my further question is actually for Wikispaces. I thought they might translate to one another... Beseechedspark 03:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Uploading and deleting images

1. How do I upload an image onto a page? 2. How do delete surplus images listed under "My Contributions"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by High Distinction (talk • contribs) 22:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Q1: Type [[Image:Example.jpg|XXpx]] where Example.jpg is the filename and XXpx is the size in XX by XX pixels. (e.g. [[Image:Example.jpg|25px]] will display Example.jpg in a 25 by 25 pixel "box".) That's to display images on a page; to upload images, you must go to Wikipedia:Upload.

Q2: Unfortunately, for GFDL purposes, you cannot delete contributions except in extenuating circumstances (i.e. the edit contains dangerous personal information) — and even then you have to get a user with Oversight permission to do it. Hope this helps! =) NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 22:45, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Further reading:Wikipedia:Images, Wikipedia:User access levels — Useful links:Wikipedia:Upload

E-Mail

how can I e-mail other wikipedia users? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdlddw (talk • contribs) 23:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to their user page and click on the link in the toolbox to the left that says "email this user". By the way, it only works if the user has submitted an email address. Dismas|^(talk) 23:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, both you and the user have to have submitted email addresses, as I understand it. --TeaDrinker 23:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

It's more normal to contact another editor by editing their user talk page, like yours at User talk:Jdlddw. PrimeHunter 00:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Posting a user page

I have finished working on a page jsdietsch/michael Benjamin Younan. I need someone to review it and let me know if it is okay. Then I will need someone to explain how to post it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jsdietsch (talk • contribs) 23:50, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

(Here's a link: User:Jsdietsch/Michael Benjamin Younan) First, it's great that you created it in your sandbox instead of creating it as a regular article. That gives you time to work on it without others trying to delete it for not being up to Wikipedia standards. And I'm afraid that it is not yet up to standard. The main thing you need - that every article needs - is references to demonstrate notability. You should have inline references for most of the facts in the article, so that other editors can verify the accuracy of the facts. Can you find newspaper articles about the subject? If so, those articles will demonstrate notability and can serve as references. Once you have enough references to demonstrate notability there are some formatting tweaks needed but first you need references. I'd like to hear from other editors but my first impression is that the subject might not be sufficiently notable. Sbowers3 00:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jsdietsch. Adding to Sbowers3's post above, please note the section of Wikipedia:Notability (people) which relates specifically to politicians and finds notable "Politicians who have held international, national or statewide/provincewide office, and members and former members of a national, state or provincial legislatures", as well as deletion precedents, which states that "Candidates for a national legislature are not viewed as having inherent notability."--Fuhghettaboutit 01:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

New article?

How do I make a new article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hockeydude66 (talk • contribs) 23:53, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, Hockeydude66, and WP:Welcome! I realize Wikipedia might seem confusing at first, (please click on the blue words to read the policy/guide they refer to). Wikipedia is not like other sites you may have come across. First, it is an encyclopedia. What this means, is that it is not MySpace, or FaceBook, or a place to host personal webspace, or a place where editors can make articles about anything they wish. Wikipedia has Core policies, such as neutrality, notability, verifiability, etc. What does all of this mean? Well, it means that any article on Wikipedia must demonstrate notability (meaning it must be note worthy, covered by the media, etc.), and have reliable, third-party sources (such as news media articles, magazine/trade journal articles) written about the subject, and the information given in the article must cite those sources to verify it is true. From those sources, information is summarized, paraphrased, condensed, and worded neutrally to make an encyclopedic entry (information cannot be copied from other sites). See Wikipedia's manual of style, layout guide, your first article, article development, and how to edit for assistance. Additionally, Wikipedia has a conflict of interest guideline that states you should not create or edit articles about yourself, your company, your family, friends, etc., as you'd likely be unable to do so neutrally. Hope that helps! Ariel♥Gold 23:56, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 00:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

November 6

Template and IE/Firefox formatting

I suppose this is already answered for a thousand times, but...

I made the template template:Case Closed names and used it on List of characters in Case Closed. The spacing under eact section is correct under IE, but was wrong under Firefox, so I added some empty row spaces to correct formatting. Today there was an edit [8] that removed such white spaces since replaced excessive white spaces; they appear to be here to compensate for bad formatting. Since I think this edit is good faith, I wonder if there are template codes that can help with this problem?--Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 00:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I've made an attempt to fix it to how I think you want it to look, by adding a {{clear}} template above every {{Case Closed names}} template, to make sure the box lines up with the paragraph about the character (now I think about it I should've just added it to the template itself, doh!). Just say if it isn't right. -- DatRoot 11:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Helen Keller

Please unlock this article. Why lock this article? There is no reason to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vanispay2 (talk • contribs) 00:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

You can simply wait until your account is four days old, then you can edit semi-protected articles. If the article was fully protected, you may request unprotection at WP:RFPP. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 00:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Further reading: Wikipedia:Protection policy

example of a good article on a (non-university) school

I frequently run across articles on high schools, junior highs, elementary schools, etc. While most of them are poorly written, I'm not altogether sure what information to remove and what to attempt to NPOV, eg [9]. Also, I'd like to be able to point authors to a good example (of course, if I manage to create one, then that will serve the purpose). Xiong Chiamiov :: contact :: 01:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey there. I would start with this link. Yes most of them are universities, but you'll find a significant number of secondary schools as well: Westfield High School (Fairfax County, Virginia) and Aquinas College, Perth and De_La_Salle-Santiago_Zobel_School and so on.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 03:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Then, move on to the really, really good articles, including: Plano Senior High School and Stuyvesant High School.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 03:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank-you for the feedback

thanks

How Wikipedia can help the environment

Hey. You may be aware of the site "Blackle" www.blackle.com, how it cuts power consumption on rear projection monitors by providing google with a black background. Wikipedia is a site vistited by ALOT of people every day.

I think it could be an easy step to work towards less power consumption if we could possibly make wikipedias blackground black for a week or two, or even permanentely —Preceding unsigned comment added by Winebarrel69 (talk • contribs) 01:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your suggestion. If you would like to propose a change at Wikipedia, the village pump might be a good place to go - probably either the proposals or technical sections might be appropriate. Most decisions at Wikipedia are based on the consensus of our editors, and a major change like that might require agreement from a large proportion of users. Note that our article on Blackle mentions that power conservation was mainly on cathode ray tube monitors (as you mention), rather than the increasingly popular liquid crystal display monitors. In the meantime, you could use a skin to change the appearance of Wikipedia on your account if you prefer a dark background. -- Kateshortforbob 10:33, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

While we should all try to save energy I'm skeptical of this method, especially since CRT monitors are being replaced by LCDs, to which this doesn't apply, and which use much less power anyway. Indeed, the site http://www.blackle.com seems to be being a little deceptive in the way it shows the amount of energy saved. -- DatRoot 15:40, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Garrett's Miss Pawhuska

I was adding information of the missing horse Garrett's Miss Pawhuska with complete pedigree and horse info box that was used for all the other Quarter Horses listed under American Quarter Horse Hall of Fame. This is the only horse that was not completed from this list and I was just supplying the same type of information that all the other horses already have listed. Poco88 03:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)Poco88

I'm not quite sure what your question is, but that page was speedily deleted under CSD A1 - "Articles with very little or no context about the subject". You probably need to add a little more information about the horse - for example, why it is notable, and several reliable sources for verification. You may want to see WP:STUB for information on what we consider the minimum amount of information for an article. If you contact the deleting administrator, they may be willing to restore the text of the article to one of your user subpages for you to continue working on it. I hopes this helps you sort things out, if not, feel free to post again. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

trying to attach a copyright tag to an image.

I have uploaded an image several times and tried to attach a copyright tag to it from the drop down menu. Each time I am told the image has no copyright tag and will be deleted. What am I doing wrong? Jpeastman 04:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

It has been corrected for you by User:Hersfold. - Rjd0060 04:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Not really sure, as usually the menu works and your log entries clearly show that you meant to apply a {{GFDL-self}} tag. I've fixed the tag in the meantime, but I'm not really sure how to explain what went wrong without being able to see what you did. If the menu misbehaves again, however, you can always manually type the code you want using the lists here. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Phoebe Snow

I just wanted to tell you that I looked up the name Phoebe Snow. My dad worked for and retired off the MO Pacific Railroad. When my Mom was expecting me, he came home from work and told her that if they had a girl he wanted to name me Phoebe after the boxcar. I lost my dad 5 or 6 years ago, so it makes my memory special because of my name. He calle GE on the railroad.  :)

Phoebe

<email removed for your security> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.0.200.12 (talk) 05:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Did you have a question? I've removed your email address, as putting it here puts you at risk of getting spammed and we don't reply via email anyway. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 07:44, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

While you are reflecting on how great the Phoebe Snow (character) article is, see: Wikipedia:Why Wikipedia is so great. And now that you have us feeling all sentimental, I might mention that I picked my username after the Teratornithidae article. Just imagine what your name might have been if Wikipedia had been around for your dad to read (may he rest in peace). --Teratornis 16:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Redirecting to a Category page

I have a page that I want to redirect to a Category page, so I place #REDIRECT [[Category:xxxxx]], but then the redirect page becomes part of that category, which I do not want. What is the best way I can get around this, without creating another page for a list, keeping it on the category page? Oddeven2002 05:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

If you want to avoid the page being part of the category, you need to add a colon in front, like this: #REDIRECT [[:Category:xxxxx]]. In the case of the link from an article to a category, I'm not sure if it works or if it is even appropriate, though. Maybe there are better ways to achieve this, from a usability point of view. — Sebastian 05:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Right, right. I keep practicality and standardization in mind. It is not for Wikipedia, anyway. Thank you for the response. Peace. Oddeven2002 05:51, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

contacts

wanted to know according to the country and state and city the list of individuals of different profiles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.136.18.22 (talk) 07:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not entirely sure what you're asking for, but I do know you're in the wrong place. The reference desk should be able to answer your question, if you ask over there. They deal with knowledge questions, we only tell you how to use Wikipedia. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 07:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Searches of ANI

Question moved here from Wikipedia talk:Reference desk.  --Lambiam 08:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The "Administrators Noticeboard Incident" search that shows up on each ANI archive page is apparently not searching achives more recent than #235, which was archived Spring 2007.

Can you please tell me if there is an alternate tool, or who can "fix" the current tool?

Thank you. Wanderer57 06:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Try http://www.google.com/custom?domains=en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'--Fuhghettaboutit 12:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it possible to use Image:Suicmezmuhammed.jpg in German Wikipedia and how can I do it?

Hallo dear English speaking users. I hope I am right with my question on this page. Does anybody know, if and how I can use the Image Image:Suicmezmuhammed.jpg for my german article about Muhammed Suiçmez? I would be very thankful, if somebody of you would look at the image-license and give me a hint. Greetings and Thanks a lot from --Projektil 08:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Save the image and upload it to Wikimedia Commons. You can use it any language Wikipedia then. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 12:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, thanks a lot. You alreddey did it for me? --Projektil 14:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Saving search history

Is there a way to save my search history (or bookmark certain articles/topics/subjects) to come back to them later. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bperunovic (talk • contribs) 09:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

You can add articles to your watchlist (click "watch" at the top of the page). To view pages in your watchlist, you can click "My watchlist" at the top right of any page when you are logged in. You can't watch search results; probably the best way would be to bookmark them in a "Wikipedia" folder in your browser or use a service like del.icio.us. -- Kateshortforbob 10:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

You might find something useful in Category:Desktop search engines, such as Google Desktop, Spotlight (software), or Beagle (software). For example, Google Desktop allegedly indexes your Web browsing history for later searching. I don't know how well that feature works because I have not tried a recent version of Google Desktop. If you find a desktop searching tool that does what you want, please let us know, because the question you ask comes up occasionally on the Help desk (search the Help desk archive for: save search history). --Teratornis 16:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Image help

Can someone clarify the image policy for me; I have real trouble understanding it? Last night I uploaded Image:Martial arts troll.jpg to Commons, a photo I had taken to illustrate the Troll doll article. This morning it was tagged for speedy deletion as a copyvio of a creative work. I had wondered about this, but checked other toy articles, which seem to have pictures, so (foolishly) assumed it was alright. My question is, if a picture taken by a user of something which has a copyright/trademark is a copyvio, how does any article about a product etc. have a picture? Why is there a photoreq tag on articles where presumably any image would violate copyright? Sorry to be asking what are probably very basic questions, but I want to make sure I'm not breaking any rules before I upload any more pictures. Thanks -- Kateshortforbob 10:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

From reading Commons:Derivative works, it seems a toy like that is considered a three-dimensional work of art which can be copyrighted. However, Wikipedia does allow using non-free content where no free alternative could be created. So make that image smaller (as per the "Minimal extent of use" policy), and stick a {{Non-free 3D art}}, or {{Non-free character}} template on the page as well as a {{Non-free use rationale}}. Does this make things clearer? — Ksero ^{t c} 10:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the information - that makes more sense. I understand that commons doesn't allow non-free use, so it (and the other similar image I uploaded) will probably be deleted there soon. I'll try to upload to Wikipedia with the qualifications you suggest when I have the opportunity. Thanks again --Kateshortforbob 11:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

submiting an article ???

Hi, I have been trying to submit an article for Wikipedia. I have saved the article in my user page 3 times now, and it does not seem to be submitting. I can not work out how to actually submit the article for review, so it can be published as a 'Wikipedia' article. It is very confusing to me and I am getting frustrated. Can you tell me in simple words exactly how I submit an article.

Honestly, I'm not even sure how to submit this question. Down the bottom, all I can see is the same buttons; 'Save Page', 'Show Preview', 'Show Changes' ??? Also, how do I insert an image and how do I make a link to other information pages on the internet. When I click the buttons along the top, they just automatically insert some 'Example' images or links, like it is a practice page or something???

I don't know what I am supposed to do regarding the squiggly lines for signature etc either. I have gone through the tutorials and how to edit and all that stuff carefully, and I am none the wiser.

I think Wikipedia is great, I even donate to it... but submitting an article has got me stumped. I know I'm going to get a whole bunch of people telling me how dumb I am now. That's ok, I know that. I have a doctorate in science and 4 other Uni degrees, just means I'm intelligent, NOT SMART... big difference!

I'll tell you how dumb I am, I'm even going to have trouble finding my way back to the answer to this question.

Hope you can help me Thanks regards Chris —Preceding unsigned comment added by Argentriol (talk • contribs) 12:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 12:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I have done all those things you recommended. I have also written the article from an objective point of view, to ensure it simply presents the information in an unbiased manner, and as information that can be extrapolated and researched by the reader at their own discretion. I believe it is a very pertinent article, and I have researched to see if any other articles already exist as the same, and found none. Effectively, I believe I have addressed all the appropriate criteria. I read in the information about 'writing articles' , that an article can, or is, submitted for review, which I encourage. However, I do not know how I identify, when the article is approved or declined, and if approved, does it just then appear as an article in 'Wikipedia' when people go searching for that subject. If you could let me know, because I am anxious to have the information published, as I already am considered the world authority on the subject and have people constantly asking me about the subject. So I believe it is high time that a basic overview about the subject was readily available for anyone interested in knowing a about it. There are other people around the world who inform and teach on the subject, but for some reason they all turn to me as the foremost authority. Perhaps because the subjects I lecture on at University, encroach on the prime subject, and it seems to permeate throughout most subjects in the disciplines of Science and Art I teach. So essentially, I just want to know, how to submit it, if it is accepted, how to insert some images, and how to create links through words or phrases within the article, to other sites with more educational value on the subject. And, also if I need to add any codes etc when inserting artwork that is my own original work, purely as visual aids to enhance the subject matter. I have a philosophy of 'Education through Entertainment' so images help exploit that. Thanks again regards Chris Argentriol 13:19, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I have read the proposed article and it appears to me to be quite firmly in the realm of original research. Other sites may be appropriate for such material but I do not think it belongs on Wikipedia. An encyclopedia is a tertiary source. Thus, articles must be written by synthesizing primary and secondary sources that are already pubished. Novel theories, religions—new things—should never be announced on Wikipedia, which includes the use of published and reliable sources to come to a conclusion that the original sources did not; an "unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material". All that having been said, there are two ways to post the article. One is to move your user page to the correct article name. Or, since there is no GFDL consideration here, you can create an article here and paste the material into the page you create.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I assume the page you have in mind is this one. I'm not sure it's appropriate as an encyclopedia article. Its biggest weakness is the lack of reliable sourcing. If you cannot provide published sources for the article's claims, it might be better on another site. The various policies and guidelines are linked in NASCAR Fan24's posting, above. AndyJones 13:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit conflict]New articles do not get declined or approved; they simply appear. Now to answer your questions:

• To insert an image: You can type [[Image:Example.jpg]]; but if you want to specify a size, you can type [[Image:Example.jpg|XXpx]]; then the picture will appear in the article, but at the size you specified (XX by XX pixels)
• To link to other articles or sites Type [[Article name]] to link to other Wikipedia articles. To add a link to an external site, you can type [http://www.example.org], which will display as [10], or simply excise the brackets and it will display as http://www.example.org. You can also specify a name for the link by typing [http://www.example.org Example.org], which will display as Example.org.
• Your artwork: to insert your artwork, just upload it as an image. Remember that we only accept GFDL-licensed, Creative Commons-licensed, public domain, or fair use images. If you decide to freely license it (i.e. GFDL, CC, PD), upload it to Commons instead. You may want to consider licensing your work under the Free Art License, in which case you enter {{FAL}} in the "summary" section while you are uploading, again, to Commons.

Hope this helps! NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 13:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Well thanks again. I am impressed by the rapid response to these queries. I do empathize with your opinions and considerations for the article. Yes it is the Article you presume. There is actually a lot of ancillary information and reference to this subject in all manner of publications, from the 'Book of Revelations' in the Christian Bible, the Koran, The SinSet, The Kabbalah, through to modern spiritual and theological publications and symposium. However, collating that work to support or validate the concise work on the specifics of the Argentriol, is a veritable nightmare embroiled in chaos. So I am not prepared to go to those lengths at this stage. However, both of you (I am assuming that Fuhghettaboutit & AndyJones, are two different people) suggested other vehicles where it might be more appropriate to initially publish this article. I wonder, if you would be kind enough to perhaps point me in a few directions (publications) regarding that proposal. Perhaps, if I can established enough generated interest through other publications, and we are able to accumulate additional evidence and argument, then we could reconsider an entry as a Wikipedia article. I essentially work from a platform of science, so it is in my nature to gather evidence to support any theory or theosophy. I am responsible for the development of 'Transverse Magnetic Poling', the 'Photomic Energiser', and the gravitational dynamics principle in the 'G-Ions theory'. I did not stumble across these, it took years and many uncounted hours of hard research, calculation and development, just to form sound basic theories, let alone substantial operating platforms. So I am not about to unleash information on the world without at least a reasonable degree of research into the subject. It is however, a subject of disputable argument. But then so are nearly all theological presentations and arguments, and also many scientific theory. I work in a field of science that has more holes and questions than a our own solar system, 'Quantum Physics and Cosmology'. Yet we carry on, searching , extrapolating, pondering, postulating, theorising and contemplating, until we find answers. So if you are able to assist me in getting this little bit of information out and accessible to any one who is interested in learning about it, then I am in your debt. with respect Chris Argentriol 14:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

From your comments, it appears to me that you may not realize that submitting work to Wikipedia means that you will have absolutely no ownership of the work in any way. It will be public and everyone else will be able to edit it, delete sections, append new sections, and so forth. You've repeatedly made references to it being "your article" - not just "an article". So, I want to ensure that you won't be back in a short while asking how to keep people from changing your article. -- kainaw™ 14:22, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

No! I was under the impression that any article I submitted was open for discussion, amendment, addition, etc. I was encouraged by the concept that the article could be published in a domain where people could add to it and debate it. So I had no reservations about people making changes to it, I expected that other peoples opinions and submissions on the article would only serve to help develop an education and awareness of the subject matter.

However, your comment does raise one issue. This article is an excerpt from a much larger work that is being published, and the copyright belongs to the entities that have publishing copyright, intellectual and creative ownership. In saying this, I have total authority of copyright ownership to re-produce or copy any portion or whole of this works, to whatever publication or public access vehicle I feel appropriate. So in terms of copyright issue to Wikipedia, there is not one. But does the publication of this article on Wikipedia, mean it is then ineligible to be published in the original works? You said I/we would no longer have ownership of the article. Is this in the context of it being accessible to anyone who wishes to edit the article via Wikipedia? If that is the case, there is no issue. Or, is it in the context that Wikipedia would then own the reserved right of copy, including creative and intellectual ownership? If that is the case. we can not publish it on Wikipedia anyway.

I am however, interested to know your recommendations for other vehicles you feel might be appropriate for the article, as you mentioned earlier. Thanks again. By the way, I really appreciate the time and consideration you have all devoted to me on this issue tonight. with respect Chris 124.180.200.238 14:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

By "ownership", I was referring to copyright ownership. Anything on Wikipedia is public. If I wanted to, I could publish a book using nothing but Wikipedia articles. The authors of those articles have no legal standing to block me from publishing the book or requesting payment for their work. I would ensure that this does not interfere with any business you are currently doing. I wouldn't want you to give a good article to Wikipedia only to have your publishing deal get hindered because of it. -- kainaw™ 14:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) If you are submitting something to Wikipedia, you are licensing it under the GFDL. You don't retain the copyright on the text you've submitted. Also, Wikipedia does not want such material directly copied from other sources, as it's extrememly unlikely it would meet Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Your options include publishing your content elsewhere, or perhaps create your own wiki. Leebo ^T/C 15:01, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

If you take a look at the article in question, you'll see that this is all irrelevant anyway, as the article (aside from inappropriate tone) is blatantly Original Research, and therefore not suitable for an entry here. --Orange Mike 15:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

song "Satin Sheets"

You have it wrong on who wrote the song. How do I make sure the right song writer is recognized for her work and not the song writer you have posted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.7.83.191 (talk) 12:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

You can change it by going up to "edit this page" at the top. Be sure to cite reliable sources. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 12:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Further reading: Wikipedia:Citing sources

Should red-links be red?

Here's an interesting one. I recently created the page American Company, and in doing so linked the names of four people who are potentially notable in their own right, namely:

• William Hallam
• Lewis Hallam
• David Douglass &
• Lewis Hallam, Jr.

I then realised that someone looking for, say, Lewis Hallam, Jr., would want to find my page rather than be told there wasn't one. So I turned all four names into redirects to American Company.

However I then realised that the links are no longer red: they're blue, and they're just circular. So all the benefits of red-links (mainly that someone will come along one day and write the article) may be lost.

On the whole, I think I made the right decision in redirecting: but does anyone have another view on this? AndyJones 13:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I think the redirects should be deleted. As you noted, what you have done is create a loop and guaranteed that some who might start these articles would not as they appear to already exist. Red links are not a bad thing at all and appear all over the place, including in featured articles, as an invitaion to write the articles, and as markers telling readers that the articles don't exist. See WP:RED for more information. You can have the redirects deleted by tagging them with {{db-author}}, or better yet under these facts, using {{db|explanation}}.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:46, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, fair enough, but isn't that trumped by the argument that the person who types "Lewis Hallam" and presses "GO", or the person who finds Lewis Hallam's name linked in an article, actually gets some useful info about him, rather than a message saying Wikipdia has no info. (Agree with you that red-links are good in principle, of course.) AndyJones 13:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

If you think it's conceivable that someone would be looking for the Hallams, then just leave the redirects but take the brackets off of their names in the article. If someone sees that their names redirect to the company article and they feel that they have enough info to create an article about those people, they'll just go to the redirect page and edit over the redirect. They would then add the link back to the American Company article. Dismas|^(talk) 13:57, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The redirects are not necessary. Yes - someone searching for one of the names will be told that the article doesn't exist, but they will also be shown articles that contain the name they searched for. So, you get the best of both worlds. Red links tell users to create the article. The search function directs users to the article. -- kainaw™ 14:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

It's a bit of six of one, a half dozen of the other. In any case, if you decide to leave the redirects, consider tagging them with {{R from member}}.--Fuhghettaboutit 14:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Having given this a few days' thought, I've decided to {db} them, and see how that looks. Thank you to everyone who commented. AndyJones 19:44, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Unregistered user edit approval

Has English Wikipedia implemented the rule where unregistered user's edits have to be screened first or is it still being tried out on German WP? --Seans Potato Business 21:42, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It's still being tried on German Wikipedia. Martial BACQUET 22:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

...and I pray to God so that that's never implemented here. --Agüeybaná 04:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I imagine many vandals utter the same prayer. --Teratornis 14:08, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Flagged revisions for more information about the various plans for extensions that could do this or something similar (I think they could also be set to show the unscreened version by default, but have a link to the screened version available). --ais523 14:19, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

When will the testing be deemed complete? --Seans Potato Business 15:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

We're actually stepping in the other direction, since unregistered users will be able to create articles beginning November 9th. Leebo ^T/C 15:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Damn! You're gonna have to start drafting admins to pick up the fewmets. --Orange Mike 15:32, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

It's been suggested, but I'm not sure it will cause an immediate floodgate response in new pages. Leebo ^T/C 15:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

That raises a whole problem with the administrator process. Instead of targeting users who are highly active, the current process looks for people who want to nominate themselves. That falls into the trap of those that would make the best use of power are those who who will not actively pursue power. So, as mentioned in that discussion, attempts to draft active users need to be improved. -- kainaw™ 15:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, it seems to me from some folks' comments on RfA debates that they believe self-nomination (or at least repeat self-nomination) is almost per se a disqualification. --Orange Mike 15:45, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Correct. The original idea was that users would be so impressed by someone that the great user would be nominated. In practice, it is a "you nominate me and I'll nominate you" or a "self nomination" system. If you have an idea for targeting great (active) users without a flawed nomination system, please let us know. -- kainaw™ 16:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

science fair project

HI! I am doing a science fair project for school and have referenced Wikipedia quite a bit for information. I now have to create my bibliography and can not find the information for it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You.Lin428mic 15:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Take a look at Citing Wikipedia -- DatRoot 15:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

edit conflict Well hello there! Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia will be of interest to you. Alternatively, you can go to the article you wish to cite, then click "Cite this article" on the left-hand side of the page. Hope this helps! =) NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 15:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sorry, my initial reply was rather terse -- DatRoot 17:39, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Image FU

Can somebody go through removing deletion notices from images and add fair-use rationale (the proper rationale, of course) on their own? I think there is no problem with that, but wanted to double check. - Rjd0060 15:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

You mean browsing the category and adding the rationale when the uploader didn't? Of course that's okay, assuming you can supply all the information. The goal is to get appropriate rationales, not to delete good images. Leebo ^T/C 16:10, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes that is what I mean. Actually I cheat, and use User:Betacommandbot's contribution list, because it adds the deletion notices to all the images. Here is an example of what I'm talking about. - Rjd0060 16:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah. Well, that rationale is not sufficient, since it's pretty much just a source, without any of the other required rationale information. Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline outlines what's needed. Leebo ^T/C 16:29, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, that's a template with pre-filled rationale. Didn't see it because I have my preferences set to not include the body of a page in the diff. Leebo ^T/C 16:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I was wondering why you thought that. Thanks for your help. -- Rjd0060 16:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that rationale is sufficient, as the page it links to does not have that logo on that page. You should specify exactly which website page the logo came from. Corvus cornix 19:47, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Wrong display of an image

Hi,

In the article "NLR National Aerospace Laboratory" subsection "Structure", the image that is being displayed is not the same as the one stored. Why isn't the correct image being displayed?

MaRuKo 16:08, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

What do you mean by "stored"?

MindstormsKid 16:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Sometimes the pages get cached with previous versions of an image, and don't get updated as often as they should be. I've purged the server's cache of that page and it's displaying properly now. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

incorrect URL for St. Jude Medical

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Jude_Medical

The Profile box shows St. Jude Medica's website to be www.stj.com. That it incorrect, it should be www.sjm.com Can you please correct this? Thanks you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 136.237.60.105 (talk) 16:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion. When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold in updating pages. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. You don't even need to log in (although there are many reasons why you might want to). Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 16:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Report

How do you report vandalisim on a page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.145.114 (talk) 17:03, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

You can warn the user who vandalised the page by clicking on "history", then click "Talk" next to the username/IP of the user who vandalised; then copy some code from WP:WARN to warn them. If the user has already received a last warning, recently was unblocked, or you have reason to believe they are a vandalism only account (registered users only) then you can report them to WP:AIV. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 17:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

edit conflictWikipedia encourages you to revert it (or otherwise fix it) yourself. What you might try, since nothing you do on Wikipedia can't be undone, is to try fixing it yourself. If you're not sure how it turned out, post a link to the article here and I (or another editor) will take a look. In most cases, the vandalism can be undone by clicking on the page history and finding when the vandalism was placed (it is usually the most recent edit). Click on the date and time of the prior edit. When you see the old, unvandalised version up, click "edit this page" (ignore a warning about restoring a old version), enter an edit summary (rvv usually is abbv. for revert-vandalism), and save the page.

It is a good idea to then check the vandal's other contributions (again from history, click the "contribs" link next to their name.

I'd recommend trying the revert yourself. If I've completely confused you, or you really don't want to try, go ahead and post the link here and I'll take a look. But I'd be happy to look over your work as well. Thanks and keep up the good work, --TeaDrinker 17:15, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Infobox Military Conflict issue

Hi, Weird issue with the infobox for Iraq war and Vietnam war. The "casus=" field has information in it in edit view, but nothing is showing up on the article. The other fields "date=", "location=", etc all seem to work just fine. My guess is someone changed the infobox template to one that doesn't show the "casus="? Is this the case or is it something else? Thanks for the help. Publicus 17:20, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yep, the Template:Infobox Military Conflict was edited on Oct 23 to remove that parameter. It looks like it was discussed widely on the talk page, Template talk:Infobox Military Conflict, before the change was made. The article is protected permanently, but you can still discuss the change on the talk page. Cheers, --TeaDrinker 17:24, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

somali boy

i am asking you how to go to london iam dreaming every day to go to london so i can not afford i dont have money even i dont eat food every day so i am refugee in uganda i am searching help from you thankyou —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.0.0.166 (talk) 17:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, Wikipedia cannot give you the money or provide other means for you to travel. We are an encyclopaedia, not a charity. Sorry. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 17:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually we are a charity, as the bottom of every page points out, but not the kind of charity that specializes in getting Somali boys to London. The stunning success Wikipedia has had at allowing millions of volunteers from around the world work together on a mighty project suggests wiki technology could do something similar for outsourcing mental labor to the third world, but this would require first-world businesses to massively adopt wikis first. That process of adoption may be underway, but it's going to take time, first for businesses to wikify, and then for businesses to realize they can use their wikis to farm out lots of grunt work to low-wage nations. But I wouldn't be surprised at all to see wikis someday playing a role in bringing technology jobs to places like Somalia. --Teratornis 06:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding "Barbershop Music"

Under the section "Notable Artists - Chorus's" you omitted one chorus- The Gem City Chorus, Five-time Sweet Adelines International Chorus champions from Dayton,Ohio. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CLJordan1 (talk • contribs) 17:42, November 6, 2007

You may head over to the article and fix it yourself. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 17:50, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

How I a report a user that is chaning External links made by me?

212.71.37.66 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jatt2dzire (talk • contribs) 18:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

How I a report a user that is chaning External links made by me?

using with IP 212.71.37.66 is changing then all the links or references i have made and is pointing them to a different site. How do I stop that as him not to do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jatt2dzire (talk • contribs) 18:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you asked the other User their reasons? Corvus cornix 19:49, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

The links were probably removed because the user thought they did not meet the external links guideline, which limits what sort of links should be used. --h2g2bob (talk) 23:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

They didn't remove them, they changed them. Corvus cornix 03:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding a term to Wikipedia

Hi,

I'm a new user and would like to add a term that does not exist on Wikipedia. How do I go about this? the term is "commoneo"

Thanks, mp777 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrpopular777 (talk • contribs) 19:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. Andy^reply 19:14, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

If this is about www.commoneo.com, it seems highly unlikely that a new website still in beta is going to meet our standards for notability of web content. --Orange Mike 19:26, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a dictionary (whereas, our sister project, Wiktionary is a dictionary). This means that dictionary definitions are not suitable as stand-alone articles. Moreover, new words that are not yet widely used are discouraged to be used in any articles, much less the subject of an article. Please see Wikipedia:Avoid neologisms. Note that even at Wiktionary, words you made up cannot be added. They too require attribution and do not take original research or things "somebody made up one day". There are some exceptions to some of this. For example an internet meme such as lol has been written about in multiple reliable independent sources in detail that goes far beyond a simple dictionary definition, and thus is the proper subject of an article.--Fuhghettaboutit 20:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I suspect he wants to write about commoneo, a new portal website currently in beta. --Orange Mike 20:42, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Got ya. The use of the word "term" gave a certain impression.--Fuhghettaboutit 23:35, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

O.K. so I know understand and thank you for clarifying things. How about the latin word commoneo itself which means to remind? Would that be a valid entry for Wiktionary?

mobile edition

Is there a lightweight mobile edition of Wikipedia available suitable for access from pdas or cell phones? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.235.43.154 (talk) 19:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there is, see WP:PDA for more information. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:38, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

if you just want to read rather than edit - widsets for s60 3rd mobiles is very goods. --Fredrick day 21:27, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

WXXS, WLTN-AM, WLTN-FM Updates Appreciated

76.118.247.91 21:25, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

I just want to give thanks to NeutralHomer ^T:C for giving my three Wikipedia pages their much needed overhauls. Yes, much information has been omitted but I'm happy that those articles are less subjective and more informative. I mean, hey, perhaps some other people will come along and include some facts about those stations that I never knew myself. Although the two FM stations are my favorite radio stations, I'm sure there are people out there who know more about the stations than myself.

Thanks for the note. If you go to User Talk:Neutralhomer, you can thank him personally. Leebo ^T/C 21:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

internal links not linking to right page

Hi, I'm a newbie, so I apologize in advance if this is one is obvious--to me it's not! I have just expanded a current entry, "Gary Taylor (English literature scholar), and there is a banner at the top saying this is an orphaned page. I would like to create internal links to this page from other pages. However, when I go in to, for example, Stanley Wells, and double bracket Gary Taylor, the link takes me to Gary Taylor, strongman from Wales. Though there is a "see also Gary Taylor (English literature scholar) note at the top of the strongman page, this middle step prevents the Gary Taylor (English literature scholar) page from becoming "unorphaned". Is there a way for me to create the link to Gary Taylor (English literature scholar) without having to add "(English literature scholar)" after every occurrence of his name? I tried "moving" the Gary Taylor strongman entry by renaming it "Gary Taylor (World's Strongest Man)", but as this didn't solve the problem, and as I wondered if maybe this was impolite/inappropriate, I changed it back.

Many, many thanks for any suggestions!--1mmmh —Preceding unsigned comment added by 1mmmh (talk • contribs) 21:53, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

For starters, I'd suggest "Gary Taylor (academic)" instead of "(English literature scholar)". There's no reason, though, to privilege this Gary Taylor (or the strongman) above others of that name. --Orange Mike 22:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, disregarding the naming of either page, you need to provide the full name of the page if you are going to link to it. If I'm talking about George Washington, but specifically the inventor rather than the US President, I need to put George Washington (inventor). If I want to link to the inventor, but don't want the (inventor) to appear in the text, I need to use a piped link, which would be George Washington. Piped links look like this in markup: [[George Washington (inventor)|George Washington]]. Leebo ^T/C 22:07, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

edit conflict x2 You must type [[Gary Taylor (English literature scholar)]]. You can also type [[Gary Taylor (English literature scholar)|]] (note the added "pipe" at the end; you can type this by pressing Shift-Backslash [under Backspace] on a QWERTY keyboard), which will display as Gary Taylor. You could also move it like Orangemike suggested. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 22:09, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Further reading: Wikipedia:Pipe trick

Thank you for these helpful suggestions! I will try the pipe trick.1mmmh 15:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)1mmmh

comments

i would just like to know where you can comment and where you can add information. i would also find a rating system of how researched something is extremly useful - is this possible for wikipedia? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.100.220 (talk) 22:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

For leaving comments, you can click on the "discussion" tab of any page, as long as your comments relate to improving the article (or are generally discussing the encyclopedia, if it's a user talk page). As for ratings, there status assessments, which can also be found on the talk page. These assessment ratings can be seen here. The only articles that receive rigorous assessments for their ratings are featured status articles, the other ratings are not quite as thorough. Leebo ^T/C 22:31, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

November 7

Editing a headline

It was brought to my attention today that the article on me, Gay Hendricks, has a headline that says "Homosexual Hendricks". While my first name is Gay, I'm quite heterosexual and do not want to give hope to your homosexual readership or dash the hopes of your heterosexual ones. Needless to say, this headline also concerns my wife of 26 years. How do I/you fix the headline? Thanks, Gay Hendricks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.123.140.214 (talk) 00:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

A vandal moved it 4 days ago.[11] I have moved it back to Gay Hendricks. PrimeHunter 00:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Duplicating Information Already Available on Another Website

A few days ago I was editing the Wikipedia article on "PFIQ", tuning it up by reference to my collection of that publication.

I have since discovered that there is a webpage by the former proprietor of PFIQ, Jim Ward, at

http://www.bmezine.com/news/jimward/20041024.html

which covers the same ground, but has the great advantage of coming from the horse's mouth, as well as being more precise on certain details.

It seems to me that there is no point putting information on the Wikipedia that can be easily accessed via a link to an external site. However, I cannot find any clear statment one way or the other on this point.

Is there a standing policy on such situations? Should I cut the wikipedia article on PFIQ down so it complements the webpage urled above, or should I leave the redundant information in place.

It seems clear that either way, the addition of an external link is in order.

Note that the information on the existing wikipedia page is original, not copied from the other webpage, even though it is essentially the same.

PS: It's me again. There's another specific case with that presents the same type of problem. I subscribe to the Pacific Bulb Society mailing list; the PBS also operates a wiki devoted to bulbs. Generally speaking, the PBS wiki is exhaustive, so for most Wikipedia articles on cultivated bulbous plants, hardly anything more is needed than a link to the PBS wiki. I guess the issue is that (to my mind at least) the Wikipedia shouldn't waste time & resources duplicating information readily accessible elsewhere, but what's the actual policy (if there is one!)?

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.216.27.140 (talk) 00:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC) 

Actually, according to WP:RS, Wikipedia consists precisely of (and only of) information that has already been published elsewhere in reliable sources. Wikipedia does not (should not) contain original research. Everything in an encyclopedia should merely summarize and restate what is already available elsewhere. The point of an encyclopedia is to have information available on a wide range of topics in a standard format, not to provide new findings, or information available nowhere else. Thus if a Wikipedia article appears to be a restatement of information you find elsewhere, that's exactly what we want. (I like the standard format of Wikipedia articles; almost every time I look up a topic that is unfamiliar to me, I find the Wikipedia article to be a better introduction than I can easily find from a general search of the Web. Many Web pages that are about some subject tend to pick up mid-conversation, as if the reader already knows what is going on, whereas most Wikipedia articles start off with a coherent lead section that lets the reader grasp the basics of the subject quickly.) For the question about external links, see WP:EL. Also have a look at the Editor's index to Wikipedia which has links to policy and guideline pages covering almost every conceivable issue that comes up in the building of our encyclopedia. On the issue of duplicating everything on a specialized wiki: we probably wouldn't do that, because Wikipedia requires topics to be notable, whereas a specialized wiki would probably tend toward comprehensiveness within its topic area. So, for example, a wiki specializing in music might cover a wider range of musical topics (such as very obscure musicians) than Wikipedia would. --Teratornis 06:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair Use Rationale

Can someone explain to me 10c of WP:NFCC#10c. I've uploaded several images with Fair Use Rationales, but each time I get a message about not having 10c. However, after reading it, I am unsure of what I need to actually do. -Zomic13 01:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

NFCC 10c in a nutshell is: "You must write separate fair use rationales for each article the image is used in". For example, if I use an image of the Ford Motor Co. logo in Car and Ford Motor Co., then I would have to write two fair use rationales: one for Car and one for Ford Motor Co. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 01:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

But what is the point if they are basically the same rationale? Also, for this particular image, it is only being used in a single article. -Zomic13 03:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The warnings you are getting are from BetacommandBot, which requires a very specific set of conditions in the fair-use rationale - basically, it has to appear in a section that includes a link to the article it's used in (this is, roughly speaking, so that you don't write the rationale for Car only to have the image removed from Car and added to Ford Motor Co., where the rationale may be different). I think making the section header read "Fair Use in (link to article title)" will get BCB off your back, or, failing that, make the first line read "It is claimed that this image is fair use in (link to article title) because:". Confusing Manifestation 06:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy advice

Do we have a policy regarding external links to sources of media of dubious copyright status? For example, in an article on a TV show which is not available to buy on DVD, can editors provide a link to a bit torrent containing an illegal copy? Astronaut 03:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Quoting from WP:EL: "Sites that violate the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website has licensed the work. Knowingly directing others to a site that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement."--Fuhghettaboutit 03:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I thought that would be the case. So I would be in the right by removing just such a link that someone has added :-) Astronaut 03:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

help please

hello, I was in the process of making an article about a minor league baseball player. What happened was when i was going to save it, it was deleted for "not having importance". Number 7 of why articles would deleted. I had no problems last time making an article about a minor league player. Thank you to whom ever responds —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cruzin93 (talk • contribs) 03:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The administrator who deleted it was User:Tijuana Brass. Go to User talk:Tijuana Brass and explain why you think the player meets Wikipedia:Notability (people). The problem is, you didn't include any sources to establish notability, and minor leaguers are usually not fully professional; they tend to have another job to support themselves financially. But you can try and find sources to back up your belief that he is notable. Leebo ^T/C 03:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

reflist? How to add a reference.

24.5.197.240 04:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Check out Help:Footnotes. Hope this helps! GlassCobra 05:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

To explain what that page says better, you can add <ref> and </ref> html tags. Between these tags, whatever you place will be put at the bottom when you click on the number in brackets. To create the list at the bottom, you can use the template {{reflist}}. If you want to create a more standardized reference, you can use the citation templates. I (talk) 05:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I found that Help:Footnotes wasn't all that helpful so I wrote up my own short and easy explanation of how to do it. Sbowers3 12:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

How to submit first article?

Hi,

I am new to Wikipedia and would like to start writing my first article in my account. Does it mean that my work will mean to be 'submitted' or 'launched' on wikipedia after I click 'Save changes' for my first article? Or do I need to go somewhere else to submit it? Pls help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aedas (talk • contribs) 05:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, you're going to want to check out Wikipedia:Your first article. Hope this helps! GlassCobra 05:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Communicating with other users

How do I communicate with other Wikipedians without using their accounts and leaving a message on their talk pages. I did that once and I got in trouble for it! Nelsondog 7.11.07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nelsondog (talk • contribs) 08:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi! The main way to communicate with other users is through their talk pages or on the talk page of a specific article when you wish to discuss it. You shouldn't "get in trouble" for leaving a message on someone's talk page, but make sure you don't put the message on their user page by accident! If you would like to contact a user privately, you can go to their user or talk pages and click the "Email this user" link on the left column. However, this will only work if they have provided an email address to Wikipedia. --Kateshortforbob 11:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

It could seem from the above post and [12] that somebody else used the account of Nelsondog to leave a message for Nelsondog. It is not allowed for two people two share an account, and accounts can be permanently blocked for that. If you are not the "real" Nelsondog then you must either create your own account, or edit without logging in (or log out before editing if you have access to Nelsondog's already logged in computer). You can edit any users talk page, except a few which are protected. PrimeHunter 14:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Belkin fax machine

what are the facts about belin's portable fax machine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.187.229.231 (talk) 10:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

This page is for questions related to Wikipedia. You may wish to try the Reference desk, which specialises in factual questions in future - make sure you provide details on what you are looking for. Wikipedia has an article on Belkin; although it is short, there are links to the company's website, which may provide the information you are looking for. --Kateshortforbob 11:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Lübeck Airport

I note that since my recent communication, the entry in respect of the above has been changed. However, it is still unsatisfactory insofar as the word "misleading" in relation to the use of the name "Hamburg". By comparison to Frankfurt Hahn which wiki state as 120km from Frankfurt, Lübeck is only 54km from Hamburg; one could therefore expect the article to be more positive about this aspect. I would also point out that London Stansted Airport is over 60km from Central London by road but there is no criticism of that distance in the relevant wiki entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmwilson (talk • contribs) 10:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

What is your question?--SJP wishes you a happy Veterans Day 11:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. Be bold in updating pages but please make your changes with citation to reliable sources that verify the information added or changed. This place is not really suitable for commenting on specific factual changes to the content of one article. If you don't wish to change the information yourself, your best bet is to make specific suggestions on the article's talk page. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:51, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Someone should look up the earlier answer. I seem to remember someone explaining why the article was as it was and it sounded reasonable. - 131.211.161.123 13:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Table

Can someone improve this table User:Red/table - By making the widths of the cells more consistent. I have looked at the help and am unable to sort it out. Г^edʃtǁcɭ 13:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I modified the table on your page, so all the columns are the same width. You can change the 20% to another number if you want one to be wider or whatever; just be sure that they add to 100. Neier 13:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Г^edʃtǁcɭ 13:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

hate speech

Recently, a post to Talk:Media Bias in the United States was removed on the grounds that it was "hate speech", which it was. On the other hand, while such a post clearly should have been removed from an article, I am less certain about removing it from a talk page. What is the Wikipedia policy about hate speech (in this case, an accusation that Jews control US media)? Rick Norwood 13:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

This is a controversial topic; some editors consider it unacceptable. --Orange Mike 13:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure I understand your answer. Some editors consider hate on talk pages unacceptable or some editors consider removing hate from talk pages unacceptable? Rick Norwood 14:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

That's why I gave you the wikilink to further discussion. Briefly: some editors consider the deletion of such material from talk pages unacceptable, as verging on censorship. --Orange Mike 14:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Cite error 3

When I tried to introduce a reference I received a red "cite error 3" message. Where can I find out what this means? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhansler (talk • contribs) 14:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/References#Troubleshooting. If you still have problems then post the text here, or save the problem edit and post a link here, and somebody will fix it or say how to do it. PrimeHunter 14:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Article

How do I start a topic in Wikipedia?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CIA-ROCKZ (talk • contribs) 14:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. -- kainaw™ 14:50, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Putting a new article into a category?

How do you put a new article into a category so that when viewing a list of those category's articles it is in the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bioevil087 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

At the bottom of the article, add the line [[Category:The name of the category you want to add the article to]]. -- kainaw™ 15:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Tom Joyner vs. Tom Joyner

I added some information about Tom Joyner (a white man who happens to work in radio) to the WCMC-FM article. But I included a link in case anyone wants to write his article. I don't have the courage to attempt a biography because of all the requirements. And I have very little information on him. Every time I try to do a search, nearly everything that comes up is about the black morning host.

I can't even find another name such as Thomas Aquinas Joyner or Tommy Lee Joyner. So I don't know how to identify him in a red link someone can use for writing an article. Right now there is a blue link to the morning host simply because I don't know what else to do. Vchimpanzee 16:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

If the Tom Joyner you wrote about isn't notable, you don't need to link to him. You seem to be indicating a feeling that he's not notable. If he is, then you can make a red link by making it a piped link to some kind of disambiguation (Tom Joyner (WCMC-FM host) or something like that). Leebo ^T/C 16:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I think in Raleigh, N. C., the white Tom Joyner would be considered notable. I could call him Tom Joyner (WPTF host). Thanks.Vchimpanzee 17:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

"Local notability" is not really a determining factor. I've appeared in local newspapers, but I wouldn't be able to pass that off as notability through multiple sources. You need multiple non-trivial reliable sources. If such sources can be produced, an article could probably be sustained. But it sounds like there isn't much to say outside of what you've added to the article, so there isn't a real problem. Leebo ^T/C 17:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

If you appeared in multiple local newspapers you could claim "multiple independant reliable sources". The content of those articles would determine if the mention it is actually non-trivial. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding Album Covers

Hi,

I am new to editing Wikipedia. Record labels hire me to handle the online marketing of their projects and I often obtain information that I would like to add to Wikipedia. For instance, I was given the official cover art for the new Wu-Tang Clan album 8 Diagrams yesterday and attempted to upload it to the 8 Diagrams Wikipedia page this morning. I am confused by a few things.

1) I was unsure as to what/where to write the explanation of fair use.

2) I had clicked the "Click Here to upload cover image" link, but I noticed that the image is not linked to the 8 Diagrams Wikipedia page.

The image page is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wu8DiagramsCover.jpg#filelinks

The album page is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_Diagrams

--Scullynj 16:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello Scullynj, for the first part of your question you could refer to fair use criteria to see whether your image is acceptable. It would be also worth noting that if the image isn't provided with fair use or an acceptabe form of licensing, or an orphan (not linked to any page) then it can be speedily deleted. (See:Speedy deletion criteria for images). Thanks for coming here for advice. Regards, Rudget _{Contributions} 16:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Scullynj's fair use rationale at Image:Wu8DiagramsCover.jpg looks correct, to me. Corvus cornix 17:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I added in the rationale for you and added the image into the article. I think it would be good if you noted the source in the summary on the image page. Woodym555 18:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Problem of vandalism

How rife is vandalism on Wikipedia? Is it going up or down? --212.204.150.105 19:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Check out Template:Wdefcon. It gives you a brief summary of the amount of vandalism on Wikipedia, and is updated every few hours (as the situation warrants; sometimes the amount of vandalism doesn't change for a while) NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 20:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Two questions

Hi. First, I was wondering where I should go to see how I can get involved in fighting vandalism. Second, is there a section that shows me how to customize my userpage. Thanks.--Miss Pussy Galore 19:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol explains one of the most common vandalism-fighting techniques; Wikipedia:Cleaning up vandalism explains about vandalfighting in more detail. As for userpage design, see Wikipedia:User page and Wikipedia:WikiProject User Page Help. --ais523 19:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--Miss Pussy Galore 19:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Bambi Bucket Copyright Issues

Please be advised that A-Flex, a new manufacturer of collapsible firefighting buckets, has made repeated attempts to post information on the Wikipedia page entitled "Bambi Bucket." The name Bambi Bucket is both trademarked and copyrighted and these buckets have been in use for more than 20 years in 80 countries.

Please note that Bambi Bucket is NOT a generic term. It is widely known since it is the leader in firefighting equipment but that does not make it a generic term and, as such, the name cannot be used in this manner.

Despite repeated removals of A-Flex's information and a warning letter that legal action is pending, someone continues to repost this information.

A good solution would be for Wikipedia to change the heading from "Bambi Bucket" to "Collapsible Firefighting Buckets." Then a separate page for each company could be created. Those who are looking for information on the Bambi Bucket can then access that page separately.

Please advise of this action being taken.

Nancy Argyle Technical Communications SEI Industries (Maker of the Bambi Bucket) 1-604-946-3131 Ext. 123 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.119.171.98 (talk) 20:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I see. I think we might have to move the Bambi bucket article to Collapsible firefighting bucket, perhaps with a bit of rewriting. I'm not a lawyer, though, so I'm going to read up on trademarks a bit before I'll commit myself to doing all that. Does that sound reasonable to you? — Ksero ^{t c} 21:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

 Done I've moved the article and rewritten it to avoid using trademarks as a noun, as per MOS:TM. Does this seem better to you? — Ksero ^{t c} 21:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Your changes were reverted. I've restored them; if they get reverted again without evidence that we aren't violating trademark, ask for admin intervention. I am not a lawyer, but we have to err on the side of caution. Ms Argyle's claim appears valid, I see no reason to assume otherwise. Regards, Ben Aveling 10:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I find it rather funny. Usually we're trying to prevent people from advertising their products on Wikipedia, and now we've got one that doesn't want their product name on here! -- Kesh 12:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

IANAL but trademark dilutiongenericized trademark explains the issues. It seems like a reasonable request that we should treat seriously and the good work by Ksero and BenAveling seems to have done that. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:17, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Search Article

My article will only come up in a search if you type in the exact title of it. How do fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.108.145.214 (talk) 21:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

What is the title of the article? Also note that article titles are case sensitive. - Rjd0060 21:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's search software is not very good; and also takes a little while (perhaps a day?) to catch up with changes made to pages. --h2g2bob (talk) 23:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Irish Bands - "is" or "are"?

Hi - I know we use "are" for british bands (e.g. Def Leppard are a british rock band) and "is" for USA bands (e.g. Bon Jovi is an american rock band) and whichever is used first for international bands (e.g. INXS is/are an austalian rock band). What is the guideline for irish bands? Are they considered "british" for this purpose? Do different criteria apply for Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland bands? Exxolon 22:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

From WP:ENGVAR:

• An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation uses the appropriate variety of English for that nation.
• If an article has evolved using predominantly one variety, the whole article should conform to that variety, unless there are reasons for changing it on the basis of strong national ties to the topic.

As you can see, there isn't really a specific answer, but you should probably use British English here. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 22:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

November 8

NO SUBJECT

HOW DO I FIND TOPICS ON SOCIOLOGY FOR A SO-STUDIES FAIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED IT 4 A GRADE PLEASSSEEEEE TELL ME WAT 2 DO R WAT 2 SEARCH 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>>......... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.43.186 (talk) 00:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Whilst Wikipedians do not need do your homework, i am feeling generous. Have a look at Sociology, List of basic sociology topics and List of sociology topics. Just type in sociology in the search bar to your left and click search. This will take you to search results. Oh, please dont use ALL CAPS as it is seen as shouting in typeface. Hope this helps. Woodym555 00:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

can you plase halp me

hi

what is the ratio thank you how to pi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.236.129.72 (talk) 01:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your question. Can you please clarify? --Hdt83 ^Chat 01:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Me either but maybe π will help.--Fuhghettaboutit 01:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Starting my own page

I would like to start my own page on Wikipedia. I do not know how to do this, as I am not a frequent user. I looked around for a button for a bit but could not find one. Can anyone help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.56.197 (talk) 01:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello! I realize Wikipedia might seem confusing at first, (please click on the blue words to read the policy/guide they refer to). Wikipedia is not like other sites you may have come across. First, it is an encyclopedia. What this means, is that it is not MySpace, or FaceBook, or a place to host personal webspace, or a place where editors can make articles about anything they wish. Wikipedia has Core policies, such as neutrality, notability, verifiability, etc. What does all of this mean? Well, it means that any article on Wikipedia must demonstrate notability (meaning it must be note worthy, covered by the media, etc.), and have reliable, third-party sources (such as news media articles, magazine/trade journal articles) written about the subject, and the information given in the article must cite those sources to verify it is true. From those sources, information is summarized, paraphrased, condensed, and worded neutrally to make an encyclopedic entry (information cannot be copied from other sites). See Wikipedia's manual of style, layout guide, your first article, article development, and how to edit for assistance. Once you've done all these things, if you'd still like assistance, you can submit your entry to articles for creation. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold 01:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Question

Famous Puritan Quotes and annotations relating to —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.252.13.79 (talk) 01:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see a question and your sentence seems to have been cut off in the middle. In any event, you can take a look at our article: List of Puritans and if you'd like you can check whether Wikiquotes has any quotes by searching some of the names there.--Fuhghettaboutit 01:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Authors

How do I get to know the authors of the various articles posted on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.143.139.36 (talk) 01:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You can click on the history tab on any page. That is a log of every change in the page. The people who made those changes are linked next to each revision. You can talk to then on their talk page, or using the 'email this user' function if you are signed in. I (talk) 01:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome! There are millions of editors who work on this project, and as an open project, there are literally hundreds of thousands of editors who have created articles. All editors are equal, so if you're looking for help with a specific topic, it might be best to take a look through the WikiProjects to see what editors devote their time to which areas. Hope that helps! Ariel♥Gold 01:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

People who ask for authors are often interested in citing an article. If that is the case then see Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. PrimeHunter 02:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Editing ar article

My article "Radial Tonebone" was marked for speedy deletion and was thought to be a blatant advertisment. I wish to edit the articl but I am unsure of how I do this.

GuitaringPaul 02:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC).

Click this, and go to the edit tab of the page, and edit the page. Do not remove the speedy deletion tag though. SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 02:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

"Clincl Fraid

I was shocked to say the least when I received the message "Click Fraud" as I was searching through various realotors in search of a particular housing need. I apologize for evidently clicking on your site too many times! Needless to say, I will not do so in the future. Perhaps there was a warning beforethis "Click Fraud" page appeared. If so, I missed seeing it and would have stopped immediately. If there is not such, I suggest you advise people before we continue too far. I, for one, am not totally compute illiterate, but, I doubt I am the only one that felt a little insulted when this page appeared. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.60.154 (talk) 03:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Say wha...? ? Anybody understand what's going on here? --Orange Mike 03:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

It looks like this user might have gotten here from another site, and wound up at Click fraud. Corvus cornix 03:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Please add link from my site.

Please add link from my site to the Reference sections of wikipedia contents wherever applicable.

bcdalai Site: http://bcdalai.blogspot.com/ <address removed for privacy reasons> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.50.170.113 (talk) 03:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Wikipedia doesn't do link swapping, and you would need to prove that your site meets our needs, and, being a blogspot site, it would be pretty hard to prove that. Corvus cornix 03:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Governance in wikipedia

I am a professor of management. I am working on a research project on the emergence of govenance in an open community such as wikipedia. what kind of information is available on this?

ram04:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)Rambmisra--Rambmisra 04:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest starting with the Wikipedia:Administration FAQ. --Orange Mike 04:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

To this I would add this page under "Administrators" which gives nearly (if not all) pages related to the various responsibilities, and information regarding administrators, and also this link: Wikipedia:Bureaucrats. Ariel♥Gold 04:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Trying to flag for neutrality concerns

I just ran across an article with questionable neutrality. I want to flag it, but can't find info on how to do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erinfish (talk • contribs) 04:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You're looking for the list of cleanup templates, and specifically, {{pov}}. If it's blatantly advertising, you could mark it for deletion with {{db-ad}}. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

ABOUT HYDROXIDE

OH is a hydroxide group.But why can't we write as HO group —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.65.136.101 (talk) 06:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The Help desk is for questions about Wikipedia itself. It's not clear, but it sounds more like you have a science question, which would be better asked here. -- Kesh 12:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You might find the answer in International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry nomenclature. --Teratornis 18:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Can't log in

Hi,

I have a user name of Dieselfumes and today when I opened my computer I wasn't logged in. Well its been such a long time since I have had to log in that I forgot my password. When I tried to email for it the system did not recognise my username. What should I do? Should I sign up again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.158.177 (talk) 09:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The only way to retrieve a lost password is via the email address you gave when you signed up, but you appear not to have given an address. It's probably best to create a new username, stating on your userpage that you used to be User:Dieselfumes but lost your password. You might want to give an email address this time so that you can retrieve your password if you lose it; the email address is kept secret, and the only other thing it does is allow users to use Special:Emailuser to email you without discovering your email (and you can opt out of that in Special:Preferences if you don't want to be contactable by email). --ais523 09:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding media files to a page

I have noticed that some sites have song previews on them. How do I add such a song preview to a page so that readers can listen to them?

Thanks, Bugalugs13 11:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

First, you need to make sure that you're fine as far as the copyright situation on the song preview goes. In most cases, you won't be able to get a song preview under a free-use license (see commons:Commons:Licensing for a description of what licenses are allowed), so you won't be able to upload a song preview. If you do find a freely-licensed preview, convert it into Ogg Vorbis format, and upload it via Wikipedia:Upload; then see Template:Listen for instructions on adding it to an article. Hope that helps! --ais523 11:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this page infected?

Resolved

Trying to add a comment to the following discussion page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dubbo%2C_New_South_Wales&action=edit

It won't let me save, and gives a message that an illegal hyperlink has been detected. I am able to edit any other page (have just done test edits on a few that I contribute to on a regular basis) , but not this one and wonder what the problem is - can Wikipedia test this for me? I notice that there have been no edits on the discussion page since July this year which seems strange. --MichaelGG 11:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't appear that the page is protected, nor does it seem to have been in the past. Kesh has edited it in the last five minutes, so that doesn't seem to be a problem. What was the website you were trying to link to? It could be on the Spam blacklist. --Kateshortforbob 12:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

edit conflict Problem solved. What's happening is that the page included a link to a website that has since been added to Wikipedia's spam blacklist. Normally, that's meant to prevent people from adding a spam URL to a page, but if the URL was added before that address was put on the blacklist, it stays there. The next time someone tries to edit & save the page, it warns you that a blacklisted link is on the page and tells you (at the bottom) what the URL is. You can just go back, delete the link and then save. Take a look at my edit to see what I did. Hope that helps! -- Kesh 12:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining Kesh - I didn't know the spam blacklist worked like that. Learn something new every day... -- Kateshortforbob 16:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia earned any awards?

Does Wikipedia earned any awards? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.113.191.5 (talk) 13:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. You can read about it in the awards section of the Wikipedia article. --Sopoforic 14:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Edit/Revise/Modify/Update a Page

I was given permission to re-do the wikipedia page on Herbert H. Clark. How do I go about editing/revising/modifying/updating this page?

Tawana Spellen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tspellen (talk • contribs) 13:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to the page and click the "Edit" tab at the top of the page. Please note that everyone has permission to re-do the page, not just you. -- kainaw™ 14:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

First of all, you don't need permission from anyone to edit a page--Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Second, you might want to look at Wikipedia:Tutorial for some basic information about how to edit. --Sopoforic 14:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

As Sopoforic said, you don't need permission. Who gave you "permission"? If it was the subject of the article, then please make sure you don't violate Wikipedia's conflict of interest guideline. Corvus cornix 18:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Page move to current redirect

While patroling new pages, I came across Fan Dub. Google returned far more hits for "fandub", so that seems the more logical title for it. However, Fandub is a current redirect to voice acting. What's the best idea here? Thanks. Martijn Hoekstra 15:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

This type of move requires a temporary deletion of the desired location (in this case fandub) so that the history of the current location (Fan Dub) isn't lost in the process. You can make such a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves. I would propose it on the talk page first though. Also consider asking at Talk:Voice acting, since it seems there have been several attempts to write about this subject, including an Amateur voice acting article that became a redirect to voice acting. Leebo ^T/C 15:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I just found the deletion log for fandub as I could imagine something of the sort happened, but there wasnt one. Thanks for Amateur voice acting I didn't come across that one yet. Best to make a post on the talk page of Voice acting and Fan Dub both? Martijn Hoekstra 15:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

That's probably a good idea, but you could also leave a note for the creator of Fan Dub to go to Talk:Voice acting, since the article is new and likely won't have many people watching it. Leebo ^T/C 15:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll do it that way then. Martijn Hoekstra 15:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Addition to "Melatonin"

When I try to add a few lines including references I get the message site error 3. Here is what I'm trying to add.Rhansler 16:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC) Rhansler

Since it is principally blue light that suppresses melatonin, wearing glasses that block blue light in the hours before bedtime.

The refname format can only have one word and a set number of characters. Put it in inverted commas like this :<ref name="Kayumov 2005"/> and you get around the problem. e.g. wearing glasses that block blue light in the hours before bedtime.

References

Reliable source?

Is this site a reliable source for the Christi Shake article? I say it isn't since it's a near exact copy of the material here. Another editor feels that it is and is using the supposed real name from that site in the article. Dismas|^(talk) 16:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Nope it is a mirror from about this version. It should not be used as a source, you are correct. You might consider listing it at WP:MIRROR. Woodym555 17:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Dismas|^(talk) 18:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

confirm / authenticate e-mail address

Looking at my Preferences page, I find that my e-mail address is not confirmed. It looks correct, but when I try to confirm, the message appears saying that I have already been sent a confirmation e-mail.

After several tries, I have not yet received such an e-mail.

What should I do next?

kwshafer 16:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

First, check to make sure the email address you supplied in your preferences is spelled correctly. Next, check your email's junk mail folder; it's possible it could get filtered. Leebo ^T/C 16:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

computer fraud

your page told me alot except where to report it to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.133.209 (talk) 16:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You mean, where should you report computer crimes? The reason this isn't explained in the aricle is because Wikipedia cannot give legal advice, and the answer would change drastically depending on where you live. You'll need to contact local authorities. Leebo ^T/C 16:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Linking album covers

Thanks to everyone who answered my question yesterday about fair use of album covers. It would be a big help to me if someone could explain how to link an album cover to an article about an album. Believe me I'm trying, but I can't seem to figure it out. Someone has placed the incorrect album cover in the Wu-Tang Clan article that I was asking about yesterday.

This is the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_Diagrams

This is the correct image that I uploaded yesterday: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wu8DiagramsCover.jpg

Could someone explain to me how to put the correct album cover in that article? Thanks again!--Scullynj 16:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scullynj (talk • contribs) 16:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

If you click on the edit tab at the top of the 8 Diagrams article, you'll see something that safe {{Infobox Album, then a lot of lines like | something = something. There's one that says "| Cover = 8 Diagrams.gif". To use the image you uploaded, change this to "| Cover = Wu8DiagramsCover.jpg". Hope this helps! Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I added the image for you. The user above explained how. You can see what I changed here. ---CWY2190^TC 16:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Excellent! That explained more than you know! Thanks!--Scullynj 16:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Inserting a contents table into an article

How do you insert a contents table into an article? --Batman1963 16:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The software automatically creates the table from the section headings (the ones set off with paired sets of double, triple, etc., equals signs). --Orange Mike 16:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You can force a TOC to appear with the magic word __FORCETOC__ or make one appear somewhere other than above the first section with __TOC__ (can't be used multiple times). Note that the automatic generation of a TOC Orange Mike referred to can be overruled in a user's preferences by unchecking the appropriate box in the Miscellaneous section. If the box is checked, a TOC will automatically appear on articles with more than 3 section headers. Leebo ^T/C 16:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Editing the beginning of an article?

Lately i've been adding some information about the Nissan Laurel but i cannot edit the top part of the article. Any reason why? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Laurel

Petter... —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChaoS1990 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Click on the "edit this page" tab on the very top-center of the page. ---CWY2190^TC 17:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You can also access section editing for the top of the article by copying the URL of any section editing button in an article and when you paste into your computer's browser, change the number at the end to section=0.--Fuhghettaboutit 17:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You might also install User:Ais523/editsection0tab.js, a very helpful wiki user script. Just go to Special:Mypage/monobook.js, hit the "Edit this page" tab and paste the script into the edit box, then save. Bypass your browser cache and it's all done. :) You'll be able to edit the top section of any article without loading the entire lengthy page. All the best, PeaceNT 18:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that! I used to have a similar script that stopped working one day. After that I couldn't find another script that didn't include a lot of instructions that only a javascript genius would understand. Dismas|^(talk) 18:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

yikes!

i didnt realize my entertainment question got posted and included a personal enlink and email - ho can those be removed asap??? i still have the question! new to wiki...sorry! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.170.2 (talk) 18:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I've blanked the email address, so it's no longer visible to casual readers, but it is still in the edit history. Only an admin can actually delete the edit so no one can see it in the history; I assume one will be along soon to help you out, if not I'll go looking for one in a few minutes. --barneca (talk) 18:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, removal of an edit from the history cannot be done by an administrator - it requires a special tool known as "Oversight" which is only used in very specific and extreme circumstances, as removal of edits from the history is technically against the terms of the WP:GFDL. You can go to WP:RFO to request the application of this tool, but be aware your request may not be granted. Since it involves personal information, it probably will, but I'm just warning you. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

)clarify) But an admin could delete the edit so only other admins could see it, right? I'm just assuming this would be good enough for 75.80's purposes, although I'm probably putting words in their mouth. Of course, another editor and I have commented in that section now, probably making things much more complicated for any admin that wants to try to clean up... --barneca (talk) 19:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Oversight would be required, because deletion of that 1 revision would require the painstaking restoration of every other revision but the one that needs to be removed. I think blanking is acceptable. Leebo ^T/C 19:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Barneca: Admins can delete entire pages, which clears the whole history, but they don't have the ability to selectively delete revisions. We'd have to lose the whole Help Desk and start it over again if an admin did this. Oversight users are able to target specific revisions, but as stated, they then have to restore every subsequent revision that did not contain the offending info, making things very difficult and possibly screwing things up anyway. Once an edit has been removed in that manner, yes, it is only visible to other Oversights (not admins, unless they happen to additionally hold an oversight flag). You might want to check out WP:OVER for more info. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

True, admins can only delete entire pages, but they can select which revisions they want to restore. Potentially an admin could restore all versions except a single problem edit. This is of course doing it the long way around, Oversight does not require deleting the entire page first, but it is only used in very specific and important cases. Raven4x4x 07:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Raven4x4x, that explains it, and the world makes sense again. I've seen admins delete a single revision restore everything except a single revison before, I just didn't know the mechanism they used to do it. So the problem here is, the history of this page is so long, it would be a significant pain to restore all but one revision. Thanks all, I learned something new today. --barneca (talk) 13:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

NPOV: Pakelika

I added a NPOV tag on the page, but this page is a mess of outrageous claims and unsourced material. The 'artist' (I use that term loosely) appears notable, but this page is incredibly biased. What can be done other then adding a tag that will presumably be ignored by frequent editors of the article? --EndlessDan 19:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Remove unsourced claims after a reasonable amount of time - forcing a discussion on the page's discussion page. -- kainaw™ 19:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

But it's all unsourced (other then his name). Do I just remove paragraphs? --EndlessDan 19:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Since you just added the tag today, I'd give it some time. Start a discussion on the talk page (if you havent already) You've already started a talk page discussion and if that doesn't help, delete the unsourced info (the whole paragraph if necessary). But again, wait a while. - Rjd0060 21:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Contradictory problems while creating an account

I tried to create a Wikipedia account, and chose a username for it. It told me that the username was already in use.

I wondered if perhaps I had already created an account with the same username. To find out, I asked it to email me my password. The response was that the username was not in use.

So which is it? Is the username in use or not? How do I find out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.135.233 (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

We can't do anything unless you provide the username you tried to sign up with. Alternatively, you can go to Special:Logs, click "User creation log" in the drop-down, and type the username in the User: box then click Go to find out for yourself. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 23:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Alternatively, search this page for your username. ::Manors:: talk to me 23:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

an image is uploaded - how do i get it displayed on wikipedia?

i have taken the photo. the photo is of my own art work. i give it freely to everyone to do what they want to it/with it.

i thought i had clicked on the correct license template, i have waded through pages of copyright law and still no success. Please help. The faq are equally baffiling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bayswater73art (talk • contribs) 23:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

If the photo is entirely yours, you will need to release it under a free license such as GNU, GFDL or Creative Commons. Go to upload file, then click it is from somewhere else. In the license drop down select your chosen license in the own work part. ::Manors:: talk to me 23:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The image you uploaded has no licence, If it is entirely your own work this licence would be a suitable one:

File:Snapshot of Bayswater Road on a Sunday 2007.JPG

your text here

{{GFDL-self}}

To display the image you uploaded on a page use the following code:

[[Image:Snapshot of Bayswater Road on a Sunday 2007.JPG|thumb|200px|right|your text here]]

This produces the image to the right --->

If you wish to change the image size change the "px" value

If you wish to change the caption alter the "your text here" bit

If you wish to change where the Image is you can replace "right" with left or center.

Г^edʃtǁcɭ 23:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

"Wikipedia" Without the Images

Hello. Is there any website that changes word for word according to Wikipedia and as Wikipedia is edited, just without images? Thanks in advance. --Mayfare 00:45, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know of one, and I doubt one exists since the mirror sites take their information from the database dumps. If you want to browse wikipedia without images and you use firefox, you can right click an image and select 'block images from upload.wikimedia.org' from the context menu. This will prevent firefox from loading images. If you use some other browser, I cannot help you. --Sopoforic 00:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

November 9

Line breaks when editing

I encountered unpredictable line breaks when creating a list of external links. Sometimes the links would run together in the same line; other times theey would appear on a new line.

How to control this?

WWriter 01:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

We usually format external links as lists. See Help:List for information on how those work, and be sure you're following the guidelines on Wikipedia:External links. --Sopoforic 01:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Number 1 card player in the world just passed away (Paul Soloway)

Text of copyright violation removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.57.148 (talk) 01:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Please do not post copyrighted material on Wikipedia. The Help Desk is for asking questions anyway - if you would like an article created about this person, you may make a request here or write one in your own words here. Please remember, however, that Wikipedia is not a memorial site and the subject must be notable. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The subject is notable. I copied the request to WP:AFC and might actually write an article myself but I hope a better writer does it. Sbowers3 22:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

How to remove my IP address?

Yikes, I did an edit and did not notice I wasn't signed in. (I thought signing in was global across Wikipedia.) So my IP address is now on the History page for that topic.

If I delete the edit, will the entire record on the History page also be deleted?

WWriter 02:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by WWriter (talk • contribs) 02:26, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The edit will remain in the history unless deleted by an admin. --Sopoforic 02:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• Admins can only delete entire articles and restore selected revisions. Quite an undertaking if you're talking about a large article history. People with Oversight priviliges can directly delete a revision under certain circumstances. Usually, though this isn't enough reason to remove the edit. Unless you tell us what the edit is, no one will be able to link it to your username and there's no point in keeping your IP secret, because your computer shares it with about every website you visit. - 131.211.161.123 08:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I post a picture to an article?

How do I post a picture to an article? I'd like to post two photos with captions. BruceK IPMS649 03:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC).

Type [[Image:File name.jpg|right|Optional caption.]] to the article – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, right with the alignment of the image on the page and Optional caption with the caption, which of course, is optional. See Wikipedia:Picture tutorial for more information. --Silver Edge 03:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

WIKI E'mail

Can anyone say whether or not enabling E'mail on Wiki allows a user to user to maintain their anonymity, other than their pseudonyms (user names)? Jagra 03:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

If you enter your email and send a message to someone, your email address will be visible to them. If they reply, their address will be visible to you. Some people set up Wikipedia-only accounts for email at free services like yahoo or gmail to maintain anonymity on email, but in general your email may be seen by others. Cheers, --TeaDrinker 08:26, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

SILVER RINGS

silver rings homogenous mixtures, elements, or compounds.. i dont seem able to figure it out please explain to me why would it be any of the choices thank you thank you thank yoouuou!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.71.37.71 (talk) 09:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• It would help if you provided more info on what choices you are talking about. Are you talking about a multiple choice question? If you do, it helps to repeat the exact question. On the reference desk mind you, this page is for questions about Wikipedia. - 131.211.175.100 11:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

audio function of dictionary

When I put my mouse cursor on certain words, a small window of dictionary appears over the word. and with the explanation, small icon of audio appears as well. It looks immensely helpful especially when I bump into a strange foreign word or a name of regiion which is difficult to read or pronounce. However, it doesn't work, there's no sound when it is clicked. Is that one of the function that Wikipedia provides? If not, isn't there a similar function that I can use when I want to know the pronunciation of certain words? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.6.61.110 (talk) 09:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

If you need a word translated into French, Spanish,German, Russian, Italian, Japanese, Korean or Chinese and are using Firefox This "add-on" could help you. You just need to set the dictionary language, then every time you highlight a word the translation appears below. If you were to install that "add-on" it would be advisable to disable adblocker as it interferes with it. Г^edʃtǁcɭ 10:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Redirect pages with categories

Is it ok for a redirect page to be in a category? For instance, Argumentum ad antiquitatem is in Category:Latin logical phrases, but it's just a redirect to Appeal to tradition. I think this is useful, because it avoids the need to have a list page for these terms, but is it the right way to do things? — PhilHibbs | talk 09:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I haven't received an confiormation email

I signed up for an account on 11/08/2007 I haven't received a confirmation as of yet I Tried to loggin. not able to I ask for my passsword to be emailed. I havent received it either i did sign up using an email account help ? leglessone998 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.129.177.210 (talk) 12:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• This is usually the result of an overactive spamfilter. What email provider do you use? If you have AOL or hotmail, try putting anything coming from wikipedia.org on your whitelist and trawl through your spam folder to see if anything got filtered out. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

288 Closed

I need a letter stating that the 288 freeway was closed on October 13, 2007 around 10 pm because I was late and need an excused letter to justify me being late that day.

Tracy Taylor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.250.231.202 (talk) 12:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it is more likely that you will be able to find some agency involved in an official capacity with transportation/maintenance with the route that will have a verifiable public record showing the closure, as opposed to procuring a tailored letter addressed to your boss. You haven't even stated in what country the subject freeway is located so it is not possible to help you with details of this. Please note for future reference that this page is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. Knowledge questions are asked at the reference desk.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The IP address is registered in Texas [13], so this may be about Texas State Highway 288. PrimeHunter 17:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Template function

I added <includeonly>[[Category:Expired proposed deletion]]</includeonly> to the {{dated prod}} template. It was in a parser function that displays a red expired message when the 5-day prod time limit is up. The template seems to work correctly, and articles with expired prod tags show the message and include the Category. For example: this article: CEXL. However, when you click on Category:Expired proposed deletion the category is empty. Only once on the day before yesterday did I see it populated with like 20 articles. I can't fathom why that is happening. Help!--Esprit15d(۝ • ۞ • ▲) 13:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Additional note: well today I did see it populated with some cats, so I don't know if it's suddenly working now or not?--Esprit15d(۝ • ۞ • ▲) 13:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I had the same problem with the changes I made to {{fair use reduced}}, to categorize into CAT:FURD7. Basically, dynamic categorization doesn't work reliably in the current software, but a null edit on the template will fix it (though it's difficult with this one, as it's protected). Also, it may take a couple of hours to fully populate the category. --Pekaje 19:45, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Give us your fucking money

Yes, I saw a banner on Wikipedia that said this. I don't care if Wikipedia has articles on sex-related stuff, because children won't see them unless they want to. But they will see this banner even if they don't want to. I'm not going to donate, and I'm going to tell children not to read Wikipedia in case they see this banner. And where do I complain about such banners? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.189.57.203 (talk) 14:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

This banner was on someone's user page, as I recall. Whose page was it (I can't remember)? I thought it was a fairly harmless joke, but understand how some might be offended. Also, this question might receive prompter attention on WP:AN/I.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 14:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

You know what, I'll copy this thread to the incident board for you.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 14:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Image:Giveit.jpg and Image:Giveit.png was a little joke as the author Neil says at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Donation Banner. It is apparently only displayed on User talk:Addhoc, User:Jeffpw, User talk:Jeffpw and User talk:Dynaflow. They are just three of a huge number of Wikipedia editors and they personally chose to add this (see [14] for Addhoc) to their own user or talk pages. User space like this is not a part of the encyclopedia and I hope you don't advice people against Wikipedia based on something in user space. PrimeHunter 14:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh and Wikipedia is not censored. I understand your concerns but it was not intended to cause offence and is only on a very limited number of pages. Woodym555 14:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Aetna Wiki problem

If you go to /wiki/Aetna, you will notice the first paragraph has a link titled "Big Floppy Donkey D***" in it. This should be removed. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.213.209.31 (talk) 14:54, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting it. It was vandalism added earlier today and I have reverted it. You are welcome to revert vandalism on you own. PrimeHunter 15:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Get a copy of help pages, please

To whom it may concern:

I would like to get a copy of all the wikipedia help pages to install in our locate version. I don't want to go to each page and copy paste, since I don't know how to complete clean or fix one with tabs. Is there a way to copy all the help pages, so I can install them?

Sincerely, James Freas —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wegues (talk • contribs) 15:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't be sure, but I think there is a reason you can't easily save them. Presumeably because you're not supposeed tso I would recommend just not doing it and creating your own. ::Manors:: talk to me 16:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

"Euler's formula", editing

I'd like to expand a bit on the basic description of Euler's formula in the Preview section.

Here's my proposed addition: "The formula becomes especially elegant when x = π. The formula then becomes Failed to parse (syntax error): {\displaystyle e^{iπ} = \cos(π) + i\sin(π) \!} [The preceding part is a copy and paste]. Since the sine of pi = 0 and the cosine of pi = -1, the result of this substitution is that e (with the exponent i * pi) = -1 + 0. Adding 1 to each side of the equation yields: e [with the exponent i * pi] + 1 = 0, an elegant equation which includes the five most foundational numbers in mathematics."

No matter how I substitute π for x in the formula, I receive error messages. They state "Failed to parse (lexing error): e^{iπ} = \cos(π) + i\sin(π) \!" or refer to lexing errors.

I've tried several variations on this idea, with none being successful. How should I continue?

Billastro 16:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Billastro

Write \pi to display π in a math formula. PrimeHunter 16:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, it's still not working. \pi appears in the final text as \pi, not the Greek letter. I've tried replicating the source in several different ways, but nothing works. Am I missing something obvious?

Thanks in advance.

Bill —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billastro (talk • contribs) 22:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

It works for me. Here is your example with π replaced by \pi inside the <math> tags: $e^{i\pi }=\cos(\pi )+i\sin(\pi )\!$. PrimeHunter 00:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

You wrote π correctly outside <math> so I assumed you were referring to what to do inside math tags where \pi works. But \pi just displays as \pi outside math tags. If you want to write π outside math tags without using the special π character then write &pi; PrimeHunter 01:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Citation of Wikipedia Page

How should I cite a wikipedia page? Is the author Wikimedia Foundation Inc.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.212.81.223 (talk) 17:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

In the menu on the left of any article, there is a link for "cite this article," which gives you the citation in several formats. In some styles, the author is "Wikipedia contributors," and in others it does not list an author. You may also want to check out Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia for more information. --TeaDrinker 17:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Please keep in mind citing an encyclopedia is unscholarly and the reason WP exists is to direct you to reliable sources with that information that can be cited. Simply citing WP could be fairly viewed as laziness. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 01:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Suspected advertisements - how do I report?

I suspect that Whothehellru171 may be using Wikipedia to promote the website [15]. His only contributions to the site have been to add somethingpunk.com ratings to a number of albums. His first contribution was yesterday. I tried to search for somethingpunk.com throughout Wikipedia, but it only shows a handful of results, and does not include some pages I know that he has edited and have not been reverted. My intention was to see if other users have put forward this website as a valid site for reviews.

I want to assume good faith, so I don't want to revert any of his changes or call him on this. I merely wish to find a venue to raise the question, where someone more adept at handling this sort of situation might look into it.

Thank you. Harukaze 18:09, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Those are spam links, and I'll remove them. I've also left a note on the users' page. Those were the users only contributions, which is obviously suspicious and something to look for when suspecting spam. Thanks for pointing it out. - Rjd0060 19:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Remove templates??

I get a little confused about something: When is it APPROPRIATE to remove a template (say, one that notes style, grammar, "reads like a magazine article", etc.)issues??

I enjoy style editing, but sometimes, by the time I get to an article that's 8 months old, it's been nicely edited by 5 different people and doesn't (at least in my opinion, anyway) require anymore cleanup. Is it kosher for me to remove some/all of the "cleanup" templates at the top of the page?? Buddpaul 18:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

If you have read the article over and feel that the template isn't deserved anymore, be bold and take it off. And you can always leave a note on the talk page stating that you took it off and if someone wants to replace it, to please point out specific reasons why they feel it still belongs. Dismas|^(talk) 19:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

However, you should check the talk page and see if there are any specific comments before deciding to remove the tag. RJFJR 19:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Sponsorship

how do you find a sponsor? how do you get to know them and all of that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.166.231 (talk) 19:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to, but I can tell your question has nothing to do with Wikipedia. We're only able to assist with using this site, and cannot offer any advice to you, other than recommend that you seek a professional in your field. Sorry. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

It's conceivable you mean a mentor on Wikipedia. If so, go to Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User, and if something is still unclear after you read that, asking a more specific question at Wikipedia talk:Adopt-a-User might help. --barneca (talk) 22:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposal: allow longer edit summaries

Hi. In the past few weeks, I've had the problem that edit summaries weren't allowed to be long enough. When I revert, I often have to add an explanation to add to the revert message already there. Could someone consider allowing longer edit summaries? The revert summaries are already quite long, and when I add my own summary, it often gets cut off. In fact, there have been about a dozen times when I added more text to the popups revert summary, only to find that it had been cut off when I don't know at which point in the summary it would be cut off. This is beginning to be a big problem, so I suggest making allowed edit summaries twice the space of the current one. Please, I can't go to the reverted editor's talkpage every single time to explain the reason for my revert. Just look at my past few edits, you will see times when my summaries got cut off, or I knew when it would be cut off and had to finish the summary early. If this is not the right place to post this, please notify me on my talkpage where I should post it. I don't know if it's admins or crats or devs that actually controll this stuff, so please notify me on what we could do. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 21:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

If the vote of a newbie means anything, I'd like to second this proposal. There are just times when you need to explain in semi-detail why an edit or revert was made, and the system doesn't give us enough room to do so. Harukaze 21:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

This should really be directed to the village pump. I dunno if it's actually possible but you could always shorten your summaries by ommiting vowels etc, like one does with text messages--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 21:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion 1: Don't use the default edit summary when undoing an edit. Revert manually – go to the 'history' tab, select the correct older revision, click 'edit this page', save – and use an appropriate edit summary.

Suggestion 2: If the amount of information you want to convey won't fit in the edit summary field, then you're almost certainly using the edit summary for the wrong purpose. Refer, in the edit summary, to an appropriate comment on the article talk page, or leave a message on the talk page of the editor whom you've reverted, as appropriate. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how popups works, but when I use the normal undo button in a page history, I sometimes delete the prefilled edit summary to write something else. PrimeHunter 22:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

WIkipedia/Google search problems

I'm trying to get a list of all the Wikipedia categories with "Software" in their name, so I ran the google search

   intitle:Category intitle:software site:en.wikipedia.org

That search returns about 690 items. However I noticed that the category "Business software" was not included. I had used edit/select all/copy/paste into notebook/ to capture the Google search results, then sorted that notebook created file. And I've done it several times; "Business software" never shows up. However, just make it more curious, if after the Google search you use Googles "search within results" facility to search for "Business" -it's there!

The problem is not that "Business software" was missing, the problem is that anything was missing. "Business software" is only an example; "Accounting software" is also missing on my last attempt.

Why would anyone care about this? Please take a look at my "Contributions" log, I'm engaged in some obsessive/compulsive updating of the computing and software categories.

So what's going on between Wikipedia and Google searches?

thanks 69.106.226.205 21:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but did the last page of your search end with:

In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 545 already displayed. If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.

Yes, always click that - count went from 690 to 691. Apologies for not being logged on for orginal post, probably got dropped while at lunch. Use this id ==> tooold 22:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps when you did your cut and paste, you only had 545 of the entries, not 694 of them? Since things like Category:Business software and Category:Accounting software are probably largely populated by subcategories, that might affect their pagerank in some bad way, so they might have less Google "relevance" than other categories. --barneca (talk) 22:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC) I actually bothered to look, obviously not. Still first part might be right. --barneca (talk) 22:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

After the select/copy/past, I checked that the last item on each Google search page (7 pages, 100 items/page) was in the notepad file. tooold 22:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

btw, I'm not desperate to use Google, if there is a Wikipedia way to get the result I'd be happy to use it. tooold 22:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I checked, and you're right, and I can't explain it. Seems like it's more of a Google question than a Wikipedia one. However, I think I have good news. If you do a MediaWiki search on "software", and limit it to the Categories namespace, you get 1342 results [16]. But, it seems to be sorted so Categories with "software" the title are listed first. Look at page 30 the 550th or so entry (page number depends on your search results default in your preferences), and you'll see the switch. You'll have to double check, but I think that'll get you where you want to be. Possibly the first time in the history of the universe when a MediaWiki search worked better than a Google one. Maybe Wikimedia should consider competing with Google in the search-engine market. --barneca (talk) 22:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

You got it! Thanks. Neat catching that those with "software" in title listed first. Comparing to the Google search, Google missed 10 out of the 1st 50. Thanks again. tooold 00:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Glad to help. Enjoy your obsessive compulsion. --barneca (talk) 02:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Display problems in Firefox

Hi, i'm using Wikipedia on Firefox 2.0.0.9.

Is the set of "buttons" (i.e., my preferences, etc.) supposed to show up halfway down the page? It didn't when I used IE, and it makes it difficult to navigate? rich 23:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Which skin do you have in Special:Preferences with Firefox? MonoBook (default) should place the "my preferences" link at the top. PrimeHunter 00:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

November 10

Signatures

I see lots of multicoloured signatures on this and other pages, how does one go about creating one with colours, access to talk page, even images in signatures? and where can one sandbox tryout? Jagra 00:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I use plain ol' HTML and Wiki markup [Is that what they call it?]. Mess around in the sandbox and see how you like it. Pacific Coast Highway ^{{talk • contribs}} 00:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

edit conflictThere is a short description at Wikipedia:Signatures of how to change your signature. The easy part is changing it, the hard part is coding it. To make your signature green, and link to talk, for instance,

1. Go to my preferences
2. In the signature box put [[User:Jagra|<font color="009900">Jagra</font>]] <font color="009900">(</font>[[User_talk:Jagra|<font color="009900">talk</font>]]<font color="009900">)</font>
3. Check the "raw signature" box
4. Save changes. It should appear Jagra (talk)

The tricky part, of course, is coming up with the code. All I have done here is put font tags around the text I want to appear green. If you have something complex in mind for your signature, let me know and I would be happy to help code it. Images generally should not be included in signatures, although you can do a wide range of things with unicode characters. --TeaDrinker (talk) 00:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

reboot

How do I reboot laptop computer and why does this come up when battery runs out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.104.175.225 (talk) 00:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried the computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter 01:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Contributor in Juneau, Alaska?

Hello, I am radio journalist and I am looking for a regular wiki contributor in Juneau, AK to do a story on for Alaska Public Radio. Is this the right place to look?

Thank You, Scott Burton Juneau, AK sburton [at] aprn [dot] org —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.68.71 (talk) 01:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Try the talk page at WP:ALASKA and leave your request there. Hope this helps Woodym555 01:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

A few editors have added themselves to Category:Wikipedians in Juneau-Southeast Alaska. Such categories are optional and many editors don't use them. PrimeHunter 01:26, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Foundation, which runs Wikipedia, has a Press room page which may be helpful. I've restored your email with obfuscation so people can get in touch via email. --h2g2bob (talk) 02:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Editing menus/linking to Userpage / Protection / Blogs

• I'm going to create a sandbox page and I'd like to put a link to it on my user page or, better yet, add it to the menu that appears at the top of the page (As per "discussion", "Edit this Page", "history", etc.) Or, can I add it to my menu that appears at the top of the screen next to my handle after I log on ("my talk", "my preferences", etc)?

• Can I protect my user page and sandbox?

• A lot of the user and talk pages on this site look like blogs. Is blogging part of the setup here?

LuckyThracian 01:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

You cannot protect your user page or sandbox.

Not only is blogging not a part of the setup here, but Wikipedia actively discourages the misuse of its server space as any kind of ersatz social site, including in the user and talk pages. There are lots of other places for that. --Orange Mike 01:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify: you may request your userpage/sandbox to be semi-protected at Requests for page protection, but only in response to an unusually large amount of vandalism. You cannot do it yourself Before I got my userpage protected, it was getting vandalised on average twice a week (14 times in two months), so be sure that it is absoutely necessary. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 01:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Further reading: Wikipedia:Protection policy

Also, I do not believe that you can add your own "tabs" at the top of your page; a plain ol' link will do fine. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 01:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, how can I do the link? (I'm finding the advice on the Links help page confusing.)

Also, is there a part of the site that explains definitively what you can tamper with and what is protected programming?

LuckyThracian 02:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

To link to another page on Wikipedia, type [[Pagename]]. Be sure to insert the appropriate prefix (User:, User talk:, Template:, Template talk:, etc) in front of the pagename. For articles, simply type [[Article name]], or [[Talk:Article name]] for the talkpage. Templates can be transcluded onto a page by typing {{Template name}}

As for your "tamper" question, you may edit the following:

• Article pages

• You may not edit semi-protected articles until your account is four days old.
• Fully protected articles cannot be edited by anyone lower than an administrator.

• Pages in any other namespace EXCEPT:

• It is considered bad practice to edit other's userpages, even to fix an error, unless they have specifically asked you to.
• Again, fully protected pages (e.g. high risk templates)

• You may want to read up on the user access levels, this is a simple, broad description. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 02:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Further reading: Wikipedia:User access levels — Useful links: Help:Linking, Help:Templates

Socrates References

I am trying to set up the cnote/cref template over at Socrates. I am not fully experienced in these things and would greatly appreciate it if someone could help me to fix or explain to me how to properly use cnotes. I am trying to copy the system as implemented (quite well) at Alcibiades. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Across.The.Synapse (talk • contribs) 03:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Swap Engine

Hi I have A 1984 Elcamino and I would like to know can A Ls1 engine go in it and what do I have to do and changes i must do. Thanks,GOTTI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.150.250.108 (talk) 03:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I send messages to other users

Wikipedia could you please tell me how to send messages to other users without using their profiles Watts 11 05:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Without leaving a message on their talk page, if the user has their Email enabled you can do it that way. When you go to a user page or a user talk page, notice the left side of the screen under the "toolbox" section it says "Email User". - Rjd0060 05:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

federal system of government

What is federalism and how does it function?195.202.88.145 07:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

See Federalism. --Hdt83 ^Chat 07:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Pay

I will contribute to wikipedia if you reduce the amount of deletion, e.g for notoriety. The nobel prize takes 20 years+ to get awarded so who can say what is important after a few months! Deleting articles that took a lot of effort to create to save disk space issues is silly. Just leave it and delete it in 10 years,if ever.