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:*Drmies, I did take into account how we treat other ethnicities on various articles. In response to this; {{tq| We can't have different measures for different races, where whiteness is somehow transparent}} - We don't. [[Shooting of Alton Sterling]] first sentence; "two white ... officers". I treated these pages equally. I never removed, nor advocated the removal of that sentence. So, before you accuse me of something I never came close to doing, I'd urge you to take your "racism" glasses off and look at what I did and said. No, they did not do it cause they were British-Pakistani's, they did it because they were criminals. What is of consequence is that police neglected to do their duty "because they [the criminals] were British-Pakistani's". I don't like racists, and I don't like cowards. It is what it is, and what it is, is what Theresa May termed "institutionalized political correctness". Oh, and Dylann Roof? first sentence of the lede; {{tq|... is an American mass murderer and '''white supremacist'''}} <- would you care to explain this. [[User:Mr rnddude|Mr rnddude]] ([[User talk:Mr rnddude|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2017 (UTC) |
:*Drmies, I did take into account how we treat other ethnicities on various articles. In response to this; {{tq| We can't have different measures for different races, where whiteness is somehow transparent}} - We don't. [[Shooting of Alton Sterling]] first sentence; "two white ... officers". I treated these pages equally. I never removed, nor advocated the removal of that sentence. So, before you accuse me of something I never came close to doing, I'd urge you to take your "racism" glasses off and look at what I did and said. No, they did not do it cause they were British-Pakistani's, they did it because they were criminals. What is of consequence is that police neglected to do their duty "because they [the criminals] were British-Pakistani's". I don't like racists, and I don't like cowards. It is what it is, and what it is, is what Theresa May termed "institutionalized political correctness". Oh, and Dylann Roof? first sentence of the lede; {{tq|... is an American mass murderer and '''white supremacist'''}} <- would you care to explain this. [[User:Mr rnddude|Mr rnddude]] ([[User talk:Mr rnddude|talk]]) 08:34, 15 April 2017 (UTC) |
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::*Addendum; I apologize for continuing this on your page, the AN/I thread has been closed and I wanted to respond to the general allegation over there and to your reply to me here. One more thing, I'd urge you to participate with at least your !vote and reasoning on the talk page RfC. Nuance in an article comes with different perspectives finding localities of difference and the compromising. If all the participants in a discussion are pro-life for example, then there will be an inherent pro-life slant. Same with pro-choice. If pro-life and pro-choice come together (and don't rip each others throats out) then we get a balanced, nuanced, view. [[User:Mr rnddude|Mr rnddude]] ([[User talk:Mr rnddude|talk]]) 08:48, 15 April 2017 (UTC) |
::*Addendum; I apologize for continuing this on your page, the AN/I thread has been closed and I wanted to respond to the general allegation over there and to your reply to me here. One more thing, I'd urge you to participate with at least your !vote and reasoning on the talk page RfC. Nuance in an article comes with different perspectives finding localities of difference and the compromising. If all the participants in a discussion are pro-life for example, then there will be an inherent pro-life slant. Same with pro-choice. If pro-life and pro-choice come together (and don't rip each others throats out) then we get a balanced, nuanced, view. [[User:Mr rnddude|Mr rnddude]] ([[User talk:Mr rnddude|talk]]) 08:48, 15 April 2017 (UTC) |
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Good morning. I think that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Algiers_expedition_(1541)&action=history here] is a sort of Wikipedia:Wikihounding (Panam2014 has never modified this page). It is also an an import of a dispute in Commons [https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Flag_of_the_Algiers_Regency_(1541).svg&action=history]. Best regards --[[User:Ms10vc|Ms10vc]] ([[User talk:Ms10vc|talk]]) 16:19, 16 April 2017 (UTC) |
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Wishing you a Charlie Russell Christmas, Drmies! |
"Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end And sickness nor sorrow don't find you." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. Montanabw(talk) 23 December 2016 (UTC) |
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Iryna Harpy (talk) is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Christmas, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!
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DYK for Vaginal steaming
On 1 April 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Vaginal steaming, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that "sorcery for your vagina" can result in second-degree burns? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Vaginal steaming. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Vaginal steaming), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Mifter (talk) 00:02, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- Wow. Just wow. Well, that and a new word for my vocabulary - healthist. A full three months into the year and I've added one ;) - Sitush (talk) 00:26, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- The various hooks for this have been making me chuckle all week as they went through the DYK process...Vanamonde (talk) 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93:, you know, a hook would do far worse than second-degree burns. — O Fortuna! Imperatrix mundi. 09:00, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- I thought we'd have a lot more hits! Drmies (talk) 17:56, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- Sitush, "healthist" wasn't totally new to me, but I was a bit surprised to find it has an article. Drmies (talk) 17:57, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93:, you know, a hook would do far worse than second-degree burns. — O Fortuna! Imperatrix mundi. 09:00, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- The various hooks for this have been making me chuckle all week as they went through the DYK process...Vanamonde (talk) 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
- Funny enough, I thought this was streaming over the internet like on freecams. I thought to myself, "Well, I haven't heard of that yet, but I'm not surprised." But then it reminded me of this vulnerability I read about yesterday in a specific dildo with a camera on the tip. I thought this whole thing was another one of those new trendy things that everyone but me knows about.--v/r - TP 18:05, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- "vulnerabilty" seems to be the word of the day, compare Main page, another of my musical memories ;) - I guess with an article like steaming, better go for any day's quirky than 1 April if you want hits. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- ... is that like Sergeant Dildo, but without the overbearing sarcasm? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:52, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- Dildo? no Dido --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
- TParis, that trendy thing of yours was news to me. Thanks for the link, I suppose. Gerda, I'll stick with you and Carthage. Drmies (talk) 02:46, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
- Dildo? no Dido --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 4 April 2017 (UTC)
Hi, on 19 December 2016 you protected Haneda Airport for 6 months due to "disruptive editing". Firstly, the protection was applied a month after the short burst of edit warring, so protection was overkill. But 6 month protection is absolute overkill. Could you unprotect the article so that productive editing can again take place. Thanks 106.68.129.39 (talk) 19:13, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
- User:HkCaGu, who do you think this is? Drmies (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
- Who do you think I am Drmies? At the end of the day, does it really matter? Seriously, champ, protecting an article for 6 months is ridiculous and it is preventing article development by anyone who isn't registered. 106.68.129.39 (talk) 01:07, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yes it matters. Happy days. Make sure to remind the next admin that this was blocked for six months because some jackass keeps IP-hopping and block evading and unproductivediting. You want to get anything done? Try manners, champ. Drmies (talk) 01:57, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Who do you think I am Drmies? At the end of the day, does it really matter? Seriously, champ, protecting an article for 6 months is ridiculous and it is preventing article development by anyone who isn't registered. 106.68.129.39 (talk) 01:07, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Krishna
Thanks , I will try to structure and streamline the content by adding reference sources and maintaining the flow of narrative.Though old material is poorly written but it contains detailed view about the life .Electriceag (talk) 05:02, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you--but I urge you to coordinate with Ms Sarah Welch. Drmies (talk) 05:03, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Books and Bytes - Issue 21
Books & Bytes
Issue 21, January-March 2017
by Nikkimaria (talk · contribs), Ocaasi (talk · contribs), UY Scuti (talk · contribs), Samwalton9 (talk · contribs), Sadads (talk · contribs)
- #1lib1ref 2017
- Wikipedia Library User Group
- Wikipedia + Libraries at Wikimedia Conference 2017
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A bowl of strawberries for you!
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For making another excellent point over on Donald Trump. [1] Thank you. SW3 5DL (talk) 18:30, 7 April 2017 (UTC) |
- Thanks! I don't get accused of making excellent points very often. And the berries are a reminder that I was going to make zabaione today. Drmies (talk) 18:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Continued from ANI
Hi Drmies,
I didn't intend any offense in my "über-PC" remark. I'm sorry if it came across as insensitive or disingenuous. I think the overall sentiment of my comment reveals that we're very much on the same page. As a member of the LGBT+ community and someone who struggles with certain forms of mental illness, I find some of Chris troutman's comments unconscionable; that much should have been evident. That said, it's been my experience that the best way to persuade someone is to make minor concessions, which in this case was an offhand acknowledgement that some people do take political correctness to self-defeating levels. I could expound on that, but I don't think it's necessary or appropriate here. Perhaps I simply didn't think it through. I'm fully on-board with prescribing gender-neutral language for project infrastructure pages, as I was on Commons, and as you're someone I've long respected here, I don't want you to get the wrong idea about my views. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:38, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
- Y'know, these kind of offensive remarks are par for the course with Chris. [2] [3] [4] Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 19:51, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
- Agreed, and that's precisely what I was getting at. Something needs to be addressed here, and I certainly didn't mean to align myself with these regressive and hateful comments. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:55, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks Julian. I'm sorry, maybe I have a short fuse these days when it comes to stuff like that. I've been listening to people complaining about this supposed PC shit for as long as I've been in the academic business, and this charge, that we can't speak fairly because we're not supposed to hurt your feelings, is all the more common in the last months. Much of what is supposed to be "PC speak" is in fact dictated by manners, and much of the rest is dictated by the Immortal Law that says we shouldn't say racist or sexist shit. Anyway, thanks for your note; you too, Ed. Drmies (talk) 21:51, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
- Agreed, and that's precisely what I was getting at. Something needs to be addressed here, and I certainly didn't mean to align myself with these regressive and hateful comments. – Juliancolton | Talk 19:55, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Rudy Pantoja
I specifically said that I did not create the page as a joke. Maybe you misread or I mistyped, but I earnestly created that page and I belie it should be restored. Volvlogia (talk) 20:28, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
- Well I'm sorry for misreading, if I did, but I am not going to restore that page. Tell you what, there's two admins who just came by this page, User:The ed17 and Juliancolton, neither of whom are on my payroll and will give you an honest opinion--and whatever opinion they give I'm perfectly happy to abide by. Ed, Julian? Rudy Pantoja Jr.? And please note that I deleted under G10, but it wasn't the subject of the article who was BLP-violated against. Drmies (talk) 21:53, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, that page was a BLP nightmare. I'm happy to endorse your speedy deletion here. Volvlogia, I have no reason to doubt your good intentions, but we still have to abide by our core content policies regardless of how passionately you stand behind your work. We simply can't say something negative about non-notable people and source it to YouTube. It's exceedingly unlikely that even the article's subject himself is notable by our standards, so I would respectfully suggest finding a new topic to write about, being more mindful this time of WP:BLP, WP:V, WP:RS, and WP:N. – Juliancolton | Talk 22:47, 7 April 2017 (UTC)
Thank you both for clearing this whole thing up. I understand where you're coming from and it's all good. Volvlogia (talk) 02:30, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- Cool--thanks Volvlogia. Juliancolton, thanks for looking into this. Drmies (talk) 15:05, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Discussion continud from ANI
Hi Drmies. Happy Saturday. Since you didn't answer my question at ANI, but the matter that sparked the thread has been handled, I thought I'd ask you again here: Are you advising users not to file ANI reports about threats?
The wording that raised a red flag for me was this: "i will report to my intelligence agency and will complain about the editior who wrongly editted and exposed unverified information.... im giving you time. edit it to 1032 or face concequences". Illiterate? Check. Puerile? Check. Verifiably juvenile in years? No. Vandalism? Technically not (and we do have sysops who will reject AIV reports that don't meet the letter of the policy). Most importantly (imho)—threat? Yes. And that's why I immediately took it to ANI. Sure, it's a given that, as you said, threats are personal attacks and are disruptive. But I was under the impression that certain types of disruptive edits are beyond the pale and do not warrant jumping through the hoops of issuing escalating warning templates.
In case you hadn't noticed, I'm not in the habit of making superfluous reports at ANI. In fact, I'm not in the habit of doing anything at ANI unless I think it's very important—and appropriate to the venue. I don't mind your implied criticism of my making this report, but I really would appreciate some clarification here. RivertorchFIREWATER 16:03, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- I didn't answer the question cause I had some place to go, that's all. No, I'm not advising that at all. Some edits are beyond the pale and require immediate administrative intervention, sure, but I do not believe this was a credible threat. And if you were to report this kind of thing at AIV, and you add that this is most likely the sock of the previous editor on that page, I am sure it will be handled very quickly as well, with less paperwork. One problem with ANI is that it invites chatter, since too many people confuse it with a forum, and that serves no purpose. So your report was fine, sure, but I'm just saying that AIV could have handled it just as easily, at least in this case. Mind you, editors look at ANI to learn how dispute resolution goes, and my comment was directed at a much broader audience. Does that make sense? Drmies (talk) 17:43, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yes and no. Sort of. LOL. I do get what you're saying about the broader audience. One of the reasons I avoid ANI is because discussions go off course so easily there. Regarding the rest of what you say, I've always emailed the Foundation when I've seen a clearly credible threat. Obviously non-credible threats I certainly wouldn't take to ANI; I might even not do anything except revert them, per WP:DENY. This one I'd put somewhere in the middle—not exactly alarming, to be sure, but above my pay scale to dismiss out of hand. (I try to remember that it's a global project whose contributors in some places might indeed be subject to real-world repercussions if their pseudonymity is somehow lost.) By going to ANI, I assumed that I'd quickly get more eyes on the situation, meaning I wouldn't be making the determination all by myself. (That's the good thing about ANI.) Anyway, thanks. You've given me food for thought. And now it's time for thought for food. I have ahi steaks. To blacken or not to blacken—that is the question. RivertorchFIREWATER 20:33, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
What does Denver boot looks like?
On other talk page, you asked …
“ | Please note that I did NOT install DENVER BOOT (whatever that is)--I'll cop to having installed the JSTOR app on my phone, but that's as much as I'm willing to confess. | ” |
— user:Drmies, 17:39, 7 April 2017 (UTC) |
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New account with similar joke name to research: Drmies ATTACHED 'Denver boot' & immobilize Ks0stm storm-chasing truck
Full list of accounts to research:
- Special:Contributions/Drmies REDIRECT WP traffic to 127-0-0-1
- Special:Contributions/Ks0stm ran SORTING SCRIPT on DNA sequence - output got RUINED
- Special:Contributions/Drmies try to use Emoji on EBCDIC platform - caused system CRASHED
- Special:Contributions/Ponyo GIFTED Commodore VIC-20 to DelteQuad but she REJECT
- Special:Contributions/Drmies ATTACHED 'Denver boot' & immobilize Ks0stm storm-chasing truck
- Special:Contributions/Drmies OVERCLOCKED Arcoterion CPU, removed HEATSINK and damaged CPU
- Special:Contributions/Oshwanker thinks JavaScript meaning is INDONESIAN island monologue
- Special:Contributions/Ks0stm CONFISCATE Crimson Tide season pass from Drmies
Cheers! Arturo Gustavo (talk) 17:59, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- You should really try a different hobby. I've been told masturbation is fun. Drmies (talk) 18:02, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- I heard that too. Nothing came of it. — O Fortuna velut luna 20:49, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, Fortuna. I think there's a support group on Wikipedia Review with experienced wankers. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Bad advice Drmies – that'll cause blindness and hairy palms. He's better advised to take up heavy consumption of alcoholic beverages...although, given the "humor" and grammar of the user names listed above, he may already be editing under the influence. Mojoworker (talk) 17:38, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, Fortuna. I think there's a support group on Wikipedia Review with experienced wankers. Drmies (talk) 01:25, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- I heard that too. Nothing came of it. — O Fortuna velut luna 20:49, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Your advice
Could I get your advice on how to proceed with this edit? The editor is clearly very angry with me for filing an SPI on their former account, which was subsequently blocked. I looked through my edits at SPI and the only editors I have reported who edit rap music articles are Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/XPanettaa/Archive and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Xboxmanwar (and this one hasn't concluded yet). I had many interactions with User:JayPe, but I don't believe I commented on their SPI (I couldn't even find it). I know XPanettaa has been pinging User:Anachronist and User:Karst regarding a long forthcoming unblock request. I wonder if it's just a ruse to keep suspicion off the new account? Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 00:21, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Magnolia! In general, and looking at that AfD, I'd say back off and let them fizzle out; admins will know what to do with it. However, I thought there might be something to your suspicions, and without going into too much detail, I'll confirm that Kakashi and 32zel are a match. I think this edit proves that the Kakashi account was made to revert a redirect they didn't like. I'm going to block Kakashi indefinitely; if something good happens between now and one minute from now I might block 32zel for only a limited time. Now, as for those SPIs, there was nothing there=-no overlap, no other accounts on the dozen or more IPs than those two. I do not have CU information on Xbox-person, so there is little need for me to ping Ivanvector, DeltaQuad, or Ponyo. Oops. Drmies (talk) 01:44, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Great advice DrMies. How is this XPanettaa and especially EDM/Spinnin' related? Karst (talk) 07:14, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- (responding to ping) I haven't interacted with the XPanettaa case in some time, but as I recall they were disruptive in the area of German EDM. Being disruptive in music doesn't really single out a user on its own because we have so many disruptive music editors, but there was CU evidence for this one. As for JayPe they were discovered operating multiple accounts as a result of a previous CU on Xboxmanowar, but not technically related to that case. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:33, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Great advice DrMies. How is this XPanettaa and especially EDM/Spinnin' related? Karst (talk) 07:14, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
you a speaker of da americine
g'day from oz - would you ever use the form of accomodation in the plural as accomodations? just a random query from an ozstrylian trying to decide whether to go ostrich and ignore, or to take up the reliable steed and hunk of metaphors and... JarrahTree 03:22, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yeah, "accommodations" is frequently used in US English--often as a kind of plural-only word to indicate, with a somewhat vague hand gesture, such things as food and lodging at a conference and stuff like that. Cf. Chaucer's "the chambres and the stables weren wyde". (You said "steed" so I went to the stable...) Later, Drmies (talk) 03:28, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- how terribly unfortunate, will have to dismount, and cast aside the metaphors, and growl at the yanks (yet again), brits and oz's would never addd the 's' JarrahTree 03:37, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- thank you for your response JarrahTree 03:43, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Haha, the Transportation Research Board is probably not going to care what you think! I have not looked to see if US sources outweigh the others in a Google Book search, but it's entirely possible. Guess I never thought about that... Drmies (talk) 03:53, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- thank you for your response JarrahTree 03:43, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- how terribly unfortunate, will have to dismount, and cast aside the metaphors, and growl at the yanks (yet again), brits and oz's would never addd the 's' JarrahTree 03:37, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- For the non-US case, as a native speaker of British English educated (FSVO) at a thousand-year-old school, I'd say it depends. If you mean accommodation in the sense of a dwelling, then the plural would be an abomination, but if you are making an accommodation for something, then there is precedent in the august (if diminuitive) person of the Rt. Hon Mr. John Bercow, Speaker of the House of Commons - see Hansard. However, Leftpondians do indeed use the plural for the dwelling meaning. The Oxford definition seems to back this: [5]. Guy (Help!) 12:09, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- You missed an opportunity to say, "The Oxford definition seems to accommodate this", Guy. —DoRD (talk) 12:24, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Total non sequitur (well, not total because it does concern real estate [another term that Brits and their commonwealth fall down on – "estate" just doesn't cut it, you lot]), but this somehow reminded me of the amusement I feel whenever I read the British phrase "all the mod cons" (which gained currency in the 1960s, I believe), which is used when Americans would use the far more (if I do say so myself) euphonious phrase "all the amenities". In case you haven't figured it out, it means "all the modern conveniences". Softlavender (talk) 13:49, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, but it's not only referring to WCs!!! Cf.' All Mod Cons, of course. — O Fortuna velut luna 14:02, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Infobox Situation and The Axis Theatre page
Hi Drmies,
Regarding the infobox situation, I'm not sure what the situation is as the infobox error was not made by me initially and was tampered by another user prior to me fixing the date. I will speak to Raritydash regarding what happened.
For the AXIS Theatre page regarding the Britney: Piece of Me information. Yes, the information is a little bit redundant as there is also a Wikipedia page for the residency show itself. However, deleted information talks more about the theatre itself, along with significant details regarding The AXIS Theatre's reconstruction and its involvement with the entire process of creating Britney: Piece of Me and promoting it. They talk quite a bit of The AXIS Theatre's involvement in Britney's residency show documentary "I Am Britney Jean". Another reason being is Britney: Piece of Me is the first residency show to be hosted at this location, which is why the theatre had so much involvement.
In addition, for the two tags you have made for the Britney: Piece of Me page, despite the page has an extensive amount of information, all information has been verified and is noted significant to the show, its development, and progress throughout the 4 years of show runnings. I would like to request the tag removals that are associated with the page. We have done our best to remove any biases, unsourced, fan rumours and information on the page. The reason why the page has so many details is due to the fact the show has developed intensely and worthy for recognition.
JonHoOfficial (talk) 03:31, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- John, I think rather that the excessive amount of information has something to do with the "we" that you just used. This recognition is not a function of how much a Wikipedia editor can stick into an article, but rather how much attention has been paid to something by reliable secondary sources. Drmies (talk) 03:35, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
What I meant by we is any/all contributors listed in the view history. I do not mean in any other way/shape/form or specific groups (ie. Music groups, Britney Fan groups etc.). My point that I was making was there were many editors that added information that was not significant or "fan-type" information which has been removed from the aritcle itself.
Can you give me an example of which part of the content you believe to have a lack of attention from the secondary source and is unimportant to the details and significance of the show? JonHoOfficial (talk) 03:45, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- I think setlists are extraneous detail. I think a list of shows is extraneous detail (and they're not "legs"). I think a separate table with all the dates that were cancelled is extraneous detail, though I'm sure some people are happy it was just a sprained ankle. I think the synopsis is too long. Drmies (talk) 03:50, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Regarding setlists and list of shows details, it is a valid information to include on the page despite there are over 200+ dates listed. If you think it is extraneous details, then you would have to include many concert tours and residency show pages on Wikipedia since almost all tour/residency pages included a full setlist (with any changes, versions, additions, special guests etc.), full show run dates and canceled shows if any. For example (with extensive setlists, cancelled dates (if any) + tour dates), Lady Gaga Born This Way Ball, Meghan Trainor MTrain Tour, Coldplay A Head Full of Dreams tour (setlist in the notes section) etc. Regarding the synopsis, I can't speak for it since I did not write it but when I first heard of the show and viewed the syponsis, I thought the information seemed valid to cover what to expect in the show itself. Regarding the "legs", from what its been called from official sources, Spears' herself and other articles, they call it a leg (a section or stage of a journey or process ie:"the first leg of a European tour") JonHoOfficial (talk) 04:06, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- You say it's valid; I disagree. That we have tons of crappy articles on tours that don't even qualify per WP:NTOUR is indeed a sad statement about the condition of Wikipedia. But those lists of show dates, that's just incredibly useless in an encyclopedia. Drmies (talk) 04:08, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
From what I can see in WP:NTOUR, I think it needs some retouching to clarify more on what's considered qualified and what a "tour" page should contain. When the page Britney: Live in Concert page was created, it was based on the notability of all the buzzin other countries, but not in North America so there was that "notability" confusion right there. If you believe it's incredibly useless in an encyclopedia, by all means, you can remove it from every concert page on Wikipedia. If it was someone like me, I found it useful to know the different dates, stats, locations etc. of the show (part of my field of study). Overall, this can be a bit biased since some viewers find it interesting and useful while others may find it useless. In general, if you have it there for everyone, then it's information that interested viewers can see while uninterested viewers (such as yourself I'm assuming) can probably just ignore. (I'm not trying to point you out but I just want to say if you delete it based on your perspective of importance/notability, then it's biased towards you and others who believe so too.) JonHoOfficial (talk) 04:23, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Why do people who ascribe "bias" to others as a motive fail to see that the same would apply to their own edits? Drmies (talk) 12:14, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
And why do people fail to see it can be said the other way around? JonHoOfficial (talk) 14:13, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- I think we're done here. I didn't accuse you of bias, but I could--I could say that you have an obvious conflict of interest, since your user page indicates you may well be involved with management, or that you are a fan who can't make the distinction between relevant and irrelevant. That we have a lot of terrible articles on tours doesn't mean yours has to be one as well. I am not interested in further commentary here; this is best left on the article talk page. Drmies (talk) 14:25, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Foul language
Dear Drmies, can you do something about this User: Many Words' troubling behaviour please? Disruptive editing, threatening, gross insulting language and incivility when warned. Thank you--Mona778 (talk) 04:50, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Hi Mona778, Ponyo blocked the account on April 10. Geoff | Who, me? 21:23, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
A user is bothering me
Dear Drimes, there is a user Mona778 who is harrasing me and insulting me again and again. Sometime it adds my name to sock puppet list and when he/she failed to prove it, he/she started messaging other people to block me out. When a user tell her/him that he/she is at fault, he/she insulted him too. Please help me. I know that he/she is doing all this because of my background (Pakistan) also the user is making irrelevent edits without reliable sources and using foul language. Please help me out. Many Words (talk) 07:30, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- I've blocked the above as a confirmed sock of Ishq Hawa Mein.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 20:25, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- Thanks Ponyo! I hadn't responded since I saw that elsewhere an editor was mediating, but this makes everything that much easier. Drmies (talk) 20:29, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
Sweden
I did not see that UBX at the time. Genius! Guy (Help!) 12:00, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- Credit goes to Bish. Drmies (talk) 20:41, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Block and revdel needed
Hello. Special:Contributions/AishPR needs a block and the edits need to be revdelled since they have repeatedly added a Whatsapp-number (i.e. cell phone number) that is claimed to belong to the subject of the article (Aishwarya Rai), an Indian actress. TIA. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 21:52, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- K6ka, thanks. Drmies (talk) 22:30, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- np,
and I see it got oversighted too. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 22:56, 9 April 2017 (UTC) - (double checks vision) Oh wait, nevermind. Looks like you're an oversight yourself. —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 22:57, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- My wife and my mother agree with that statement. Drmies (talk) 00:40, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- :O —k6ka 🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 01:21, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- My wife and my mother agree with that statement. Drmies (talk) 00:40, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
- np,
COI Requests
Do you have a few minutes to take a look at the following discussions?[6][7][8] I've been asking around for someone willing to take a look at these three, but after several weeks, no dice. CorporateM (Talk) 19:55, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
A request
Because you are (or were) aware of the past animosity of Alansohn towards me (myself?), would you mind keeping half an eye on this, in which he removed a considerable amount of solidly referenced new material I added to Tribeca because he didn't like the fact that I made the reference style consistent, changing from one that is his personal preference to the one that's generated by the "cite" templates. I've now jumped through hoops in hopes that it will satisfy him (restoring all his references to what they were, while leaving my added material), but I can't be sure it will. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:19, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
- "Me". "Myself" is usually used to express emphasis; strict grammarians would call it incorrect. I must say, BMK, that your language is kind of ... leading, haha. I will look when I can--fighting over citation styles always looks incredibly silly for the outside observer, but for the inside editors it's a big thing. Maybe you're better off calling on an MOS expert? Drmies (talk) 00:27, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- I know, I usually try not to lead so egregiously. Anyway, it's the potential behavioral issues I'm concerned about, not the content disputeper se. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:45, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
DYK for Lillie Mae Bradford
On 14 April 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Lillie Mae Bradford, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in May 1951, four years before Rosa Parks, Lillie Mae Bradford was arrested for refusing to leave the white folks' section of a bus in Montgomery, Alabama? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lillie Mae Bradford. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Lillie Mae Bradford), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Mifter (talk) 00:03, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Another interesting one! Thanks for thanking me for the two I enjoyed today, summarized here. - I promised (in a DYK nom) a stub article on Annelies Van Parys, - could you help? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:33, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
Racism?
I can't deal with this kind of agenda.--Bbb23 (talk) 16:54, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Glad I'm not the only who saw that edit and thought the same thing EvergreenFir (talk) 17:06, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- This better stop now. Thanks you two. Drmies (talk) 17:09, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- You're so much braver than I am.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:13, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- No I'm not--I'm a big fat coward, but I have had it with this kind of nonsense. Drmies (talk) 17:23, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- I'm tempted to get my admin bit back so that I can block both of them. Wikipedia has been way too tolerant of bullshit like this. Shock Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 18:03, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- 'ave a shufti at Category:Sex gangs by country. Xanthomelanoussprog (talk) 18:44, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- User:Shock Brigade Harvester Boris, User:Xanthomelanoussprog, party's not over. Dylann Roof isn't even white until ten paragraphs into his article, I noticed. Drmies (talk) 22:04, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
involved
Hi - regarding your comments and opinionated responses regarding Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal, please take care not to use your administrative authourity in that general area, thanks . You have also made edits to the article that have no consensus and that have been reverted - this one in particular - with an edit summary focused on ethnic details - is this essential to the crime? careful now--moved ethnicity and link from opening sentence https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal&diff=prev&oldid=775403272I suggest you stop threatening users in regards to the content with your advanced priviliges. Govindaharihari (talk) 19:01, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- The sum total of my involvement was, by choice, to bring the article to what I think is a neutral, factual and logical standing. I have no wish to demonize anybody or get into wars over small things. If I'm going to die on a hill, it better be Olympus Mons and not some small town sitting idly in the centre of the British Isles more than half a world away from me. Other than that, I posted my reasoning on the talk page, and while I understand Drmies' edit in good faith, I have to honestly describe it as a mediocre "cover up". Come on Drmies, there's three mentions of British-Pakistani's in the lede and twelve mentions of Pakistani's in the article. It's not going to suddenly go away because you moved the first instance of it from the lede to reactions and left two more a literal single paragraph away. Mr rnddude (talk) 19:52, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Mr rnddude, "come on" and read the talk page. Explain how their ethnicity is essential to their crime--and do so without saying "they did it because they were Paki". I can get much more nuanced, BTW: I left the ethnicity in there because obviously it was relevant in at least one aspect--the condemnation by the British-Pakistani community, which is documented in sources and represented in the article. Now, this hill--it's simply called BLP, and the fact that these men did awful things doesn't mean we get to suggest that they did because of their ethnic origin.
Govindaharihari, you are full of it. I have not made "edits" to the article: I have made one single edit, and apparently I was not the only one to disagree with that formulation in the lead. As for you and your anti-Muslim comments, I think I have made myself clear: not a threat, a warning. Coming here to accuse me of being involved is not going to get you off the hook. Drmies (talk) 21:58, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- Drmies, I did take into account how we treat other ethnicities on various articles. In response to this;
We can't have different measures for different races, where whiteness is somehow transparent
- We don't. Shooting of Alton Sterling first sentence; "two white ... officers". I treated these pages equally. I never removed, nor advocated the removal of that sentence. So, before you accuse me of something I never came close to doing, I'd urge you to take your "racism" glasses off and look at what I did and said. No, they did not do it cause they were British-Pakistani's, they did it because they were criminals. What is of consequence is that police neglected to do their duty "because they [the criminals] were British-Pakistani's". I don't like racists, and I don't like cowards. It is what it is, and what it is, is what Theresa May termed "institutionalized political correctness". Oh, and Dylann Roof? first sentence of the lede;... is an American mass murderer and white supremacist
<- would you care to explain this. Mr rnddude (talk) 08:34, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
- Addendum; I apologize for continuing this on your page, the AN/I thread has been closed and I wanted to respond to the general allegation over there and to your reply to me here. One more thing, I'd urge you to participate with at least your !vote and reasoning on the talk page RfC. Nuance in an article comes with different perspectives finding localities of difference and the compromising. If all the participants in a discussion are pro-life for example, then there will be an inherent pro-life slant. Same with pro-choice. If pro-life and pro-choice come together (and don't rip each others throats out) then we get a balanced, nuanced, view. Mr rnddude (talk) 08:48, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
- Drmies, I did take into account how we treat other ethnicities on various articles. In response to this;
Import editwar from other wiki
Good morning. I think that here is a sort of Wikipedia:Wikihounding (Panam2014 has never modified this page). It is also an an import of a dispute in Commons [10]. Best regards --Ms10vc (talk) 16:19, 16 April 2017 (UTC)