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User:Anna Frodesiak.....thank you very much for the invite...but I will have to decline. As someone who now contributes alot to our policies and other admin pages I think it's best I stay above the fray of being an admin. I have been here a very very long time and think it's best if I am interpreting community consensus.... that I not be involved in daily implementation of thoses policies. I also think its best the next generation of Wikipedians police themselves. That said there are some tools I would like to use.....but not so much so that I would take on the burden of being an admin. Again thanks for thinking of me.--Moxy (talk) 03:15, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

WikiProject Canada 10,000 Challenge submissions

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Hi

Hi Moxy. I'm new here. Nice to meet u. Hope u can help me about some articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julia Rainbird (talk • contribs) 14:52, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Howdy , eenor is trying to get his page updated Snmekr (talk) 22:45, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi how are you

Khabathiso (talk) 17:11, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Can you help me for my first article

Movimak (talk) 16:55, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Trudeau

Hello,

I wonder why you oppose the use of a more recent and better quality picture in the Justin Trudeau article. You say he is a rock star but so be it if it is his style of governance.

Please respond so we can move on. Thank you.

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 00:22, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Soory short on time pls see Wikipedia talk:Canadian Wikipedians' notice board# Justin Trudeau image.--Moxy (talk) 02:14, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!

Happy Halloween!

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Canada

Why do you keep reverting my edits on Canada while there is no picture of either Toronto (5 million people, just saying), landscapes (well for the world's second biggest country that's a bit stupid) or some architecture (sure the UNESCO doesn't know what they're talking about).

WhatsUpWorld (talk) 23:05, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Cool your talking....plus join me on the talk page. PS plus read over WP:BRD.

I think you actions on Canadian subjects are close to Wikipedia:Ownership of content. WhatsUpWorld (talk) 23:19, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

As per that page... WP:STEWARDSHIP. I did not revert any grammar fixing etc....just the random images. I don't think many of the images are well choose nor all that relevant. Just need to ask others what they think....no offense intended.....just article integrity is the concern. It's a bit fustrating having to wade through all the edits as no one has a clue what is being done because your not saying what's going on.--Moxy (talk) 23:31, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

I just made my point on the talk page of the article. WhatsUpWorld (talk) 23:47, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Dormant

Please do not put {{Dormant}} on material still under active development, as you did recent at WP:Manual of Style/Organisms.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ >^ʌⱷ҅_ᴥⱷ^ʌ<  16:32, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

My bad....missed that one......just going through the proposals today. Will look closer.-- Moxy (talk) 16:34, 13 November 2017 (UTC)

Secularism in Turkey

Hi, during this discussion you had expressed an interest in improving Secularism in Turkey by improving the sourcing - I would be willing to work on this also, if you are still interested. In its current condition, I don't think the WP:OR should remain in the article, but if sources can be found to discuss the state funding of religion in the context of religion, I support adding those sources to the discussion. The caveat is that some sources I have explicitly state that secularism in Turkey had a different character (that the state control was actually in support of secularism, unlike in Europe) - I will have to pull up the source again as I don't have it on hand at the moment... Seraphim System ^(talk) 23:56, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Wrestlingring/FreshCorp619

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New Page Reviewing

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Happy turkey day

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Query

Dear sir, I want to know the procedure, how to edit something in the Wikipedia or to add something to it? Its very nice features gives by wiki, so I want to know what actually it is and how we can do. So I please to request you to solve the query for that I shall ever remain grateful to you. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ranjangupta1994 (talk • contribs) 09:58, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

I would advise

you to read the discussion carefully, then try and maybe understand same. Then think about what exactly you would like to say, then pause and think again. Your posting on AH TalkPage have been totally neither here, nor there.Axxxion (talk) 00:20, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

You must have the wrong person ....have never talked to you before. AS for your revert at Yugoslav coup d'état ....can you explain how jamming the first sentence with non English text helps our readers? --Moxy (talk) 00:23, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean by jamming? I just put the original country′s name of this event, in line with all other articles on events outside the Anglophone world, such as October Revolution, for example.Axxxion (talk) 00:39, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Is French Revolution article "jammed" too? As you are from bilingual Canada, I would expect you to understand that.Axxxion (talk) 00:41, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

I think it may be helpful as the original language term is quite different: it is helpful for searching, for example. I do not have strong opinion. You could join discussion on Talk - Talk:Yugoslav coup d'état#Dated or not dated - so far there are 2 votes for having the original name in the lede..Axxxion (talk) 00:44, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes speak 3 laguages English. ..French...Mohawk....but adding that non readable text does not help our English readers....and in fact makes it harder to read as it breaks up the flow ...we have guidelines for this at MOS:FORLANG. As for that talk page conversation from years ago ...it's about the title not lead. --Moxy (talk) 00:51, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Well, I think we are discussing the lede. Usually the designation of the artcile′s topic in the lede has an original land′s name in the original language.Axxxion (talk) 00:55, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Thank you indeed for the lead BTW. I hate all this legalistic stuff as I believe common sense should prevail.Axxxion (talk) 00:57, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Yes yes common sense. .Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2017-06-09/Op-ed....best to try and keep readers interested. ...not confused or they won't read on.--Moxy (talk) 00:59, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, it was late last night: I meant "link". BUT: where the hell did you see any etymology in ″Putsch 27. Marta″? The point is exactly that the original name is quite different: they normally call "Putsch".Axxxion (talk) 15:34, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

zero results for that unreadable text. On a side note.....would you like some help with access to academic publications? Just notice a few people have some concerns with the personal website your using.--Moxy (talk) 19:58, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Pls read and research carefully before making rash conclusions (am talking about the Serbian name of the event). I do not know what you mean by access to academic publications. If you have a source for this Yugo-USSR Treaty′s text, it would be helpful if you restored the very relevant quote from it (Article 2) with a proper reference. I find Peacemaker′s attitude quite unhelpful in this article. What does it matter where this text is published: we are not pasting sb′s opinion published on a blog, but a properly sourced official text.Axxxion (talk) 22:17, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Getting closer to the point...I would love to learn more on the Serbian POV...but can't research the text you wish to add ....as seen above its meaningless.--Moxy (talk) 23:15, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

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Nice catch...

...on Sein und Zeit, aka English Patriot Man. He's been blocked along with 3 others. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:20, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

I'm glad I filed at SPI; we caught some sleepers. Thanks, Moxy. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 23:15, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, @Diannaa:, thanks for doing that - I wasn't sure enough to do it, although the editor did have a funny "feel" to him as I kept running into him. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:05, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

New contributors' help page redirect

Hi Moxy. While the many help pages would certainly benefit from rationlisation, are you sure that the lengthy 45K of text in WP:Contributing to Wikipedia is the best redirect target for WP:New contributors' help page? I suggest WP:Questions may be more suitable, as in a similar format to the one you have redirected and making many of the same links: Noyster (talk), 10:45, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

that's a great idea. --Moxy (talk) 15:32, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

india

hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pripriyanka (talk • contribs) 16:47, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

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Merry Christmas to all!

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Seasons' Greetings

...to you and yours, from Canada's Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:03, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

Happy Holidays

From Stave one of Dickens A Christmas Carol Old Marley was as dead as a door-nail. Mind! I don’t mean to say that I know, of my own knowledge, what there is particularly dead about a door-nail. I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadest piece of ironmongery in the trade. But the wisdom of our ancestors is in the simile; and my unhallowed hands shall not disturb it, or the Country’s done for. You will therefore permit me to repeat, emphatically, that Marley was as dead as a door-nail. So you see even Charles was looking for a reliable source :-) Thank you for your contributions to the 'pedia. ~ MarnetteD|Talk 23:29, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

I need

I hope i need time ,money , to have my personality be as i want it it to be — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nidale gergi (talk • contribs) 00:20, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Congressman Jack Edwards

Hi Moxy... I just read the Wikipedia installment for former Congressman Jack Edwards. I noticed a mistake relative to his area of residence. Briefly, having looked over the procedure for submitting an edit and finding it a bit more daunting than my seventy year old brain was willing to tackle, I decided, instead, to give you the information in case you might wish to correct the error.

Congressman Edwards' residential area, Point Clear, AL, was described as a "suburb of Mobile, AL." Mobile is in Mobile County, AL. Point Clear, AL is in Baldwin County. If anything, Point Clear is better described as a suburb of Fairhope, AL.... Not exactly an earth shaking correction, but nonetheless, one I believe worthy of consideration.

I am a big fan of former Congressman Edwards. He once presented the school where I taught with an american flag which had flown over the Capitol. I actually went to his Wikipedia page just to see when he was born. That's when I found the error.

I hope, in some way, you find this information helpful.

Sincerely, Wm. L. (Bill) Tew — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4C4:C203:347E:C54E:81B:8A7C:34B0 (talk) 15:31, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

سيدتي المحترمة ليلى

انا اكتب لك بعد ان تخبطت في هذه الحياة وناضلت وتعبت وحاولت ان اصل لادنى حقوق الانسان المحترم وان يعيش في كرامته .اني عانيت الكثير ولكن لم اصل ما ارنو اليه .ولكني لا اريد ان استسلم ..كل ما اريده هو ان احقق نفسي كما اريدها ان تكون : مثقفة اكثير ما ارده .؟ ولكن من يولد في بيت فقير يلتهي طوال حياته بهموم العيش لنامين لاهله ولاخوته ابسط الحقوق الحياتية ...فلم استطيع الالتفات لنفسي ولكن اليوم مر العمر واصبحت في الاربعينات وما زلت اريد ان اتعلم واخذ شهادة في القانون ....ولكن كيف لي ان احقق هذا وانا حتى لا املك نقودا لتامين مكان لاعيش فيه ..........اني من يأسي اسالك وارجو منك ان تساعديني بطريقتك .. 71 57 85 57 شكرا — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nidale gergi (talk • contribs) 20:27, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

شكرا

انا التي طلبت منك الكساعدة لبناء كنيسة سيدة المعونات في قرية مراح الحاج قضاء البنرون وانت قد لبيتي نداءي العذراء تحميك . انتظر منك مساعدتي وبكل ثقة بانك ستساعديني — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nidale gergi (talk • contribs) 20:30, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

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Ji — Preceding unsigned comment added by Young lord (talk • contribs) 08:46, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

NPA

General motors Hello, I'm The Quixotic Potato. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thank you. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 02:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

• I have asked you 2 times to explain more...... can you do this....plus also read over WP:BRD.--Moxy (talk) 03:00, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

It is probably best if you move on to something more productive, our communication is not going well so far. Please read WP:NPA and WP:INDENT and WP:CIVIL. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 03:03, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 03:08, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Stop the runaround. .-Moxy (talk) 03:13, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

I have indented your comment. Again, please read WP:INDENT and please stop insulting me. If you apologize for repeatedly insulting me then we can talk. (((The Quixotic Potato))) (talk) 03:16, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Stop the policy spam and reply to the question of what is the problem pls!!!!!!!--Moxy (talk) 03:23, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

AJ

What's up Moxy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamilton Slim (talk • contribs) 08:19, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Not much you? Long time no see. Long weekend.....lots of incompetent editors ducking things up (not meaning you).--Moxy (talk) 08:24, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Venezuela

Please consider adding your comments to the report at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring#User:Julioxo reported by User:General Ization_(Result: ). General Ization ^Talk 20:14, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Useractivity tool

Thank you very much for your suggestion of this tool - which I see you've used on the Adopt-a-user list before. I've never encountered the 'larger' template before, nor the useractivity tool, but can't seem to get it to run without crashing. I see there's a notice at the top of the page: "On December 13, many ToolForge tools stopped working as user tables are eliminated." But it's more probable that I'm not understanding how to run it properly. If you could check and advise, that'd be really helpful. (I've spent the event wrestling to get the Project's archives displaying correctly, which was a fun exercise. Not sure I'm up to another right now!)

Feel free to comment on anything else I'm doing there - I feel I have rather barged in, but it certainly needs a good sorting out! Apart from CaroleHenson, who else has been taking a lead there at the moment? Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:58, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Sorry missed reply.....will lookup why its off.--Moxy (talk) 21:50, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

hello

nice to meet you maybe you can teach me how to edit sometime. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.243.136.160 (talk) 03:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi I am GalaxyDokiDoki GalaxyDokiDoki (talk) 18:37, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

Civility in infobox discussions case opened

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Clean up image spam.

Clean up image spam. There is spam in the article about France.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France#Climate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France#Cuisine

Thank you --JShark (talk) 18:34, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Also in the article about Italy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy#Geography

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy#Architecture

--JShark (talk) 18:38, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @JShark: Those arrays of photos are called image galleries, not spam. In general, your suggestion concerning the improvement of an article should be placed on the article's Talk page, in this case Talk:France, not on an individual editor's Talk page. General Ization ^Talk 18:39, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

yup image spam it is.... scrolling nightmare for those viewing on mobile devices and images that mean nothing to the text....would never pass GA with the kids picture book look. Are you messaging me because it's the same editor spamming images there as with the south American articles?--Moxy (talk) 23:44, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

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Estonia

On this edit, it is not really the best approach to delete information added in good faith simply because it has no citation. For most pages, it is more usual to add a {{cn}} tag, calling for a citation. Someone can always delete the information later if no citation is provided, and in the mean time it is clear that it has been challenged. I shall partly undo your edit here, but I thought an explanation would be polite. Moonraker (talk) 21:02, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Could not find a source as stated in my edit summary. I really hope you don't just and tags without looking....plus don't leave unverifiable info in articles.--Moxy (talk) 21:09, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

If you look at the sections of that page headed "Government" and "Law", you'll see they also have no citations. So should they be deleted too? It's really better to challenge good faith information, rather than deleting it. Quite often it triggers someone into looking for a reliable source and fixing the problem. Of course, if something looks like mischief, it can be treated as vandalism. Moonraker (talk) 21:26, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

"Government" and "Law" has some and seems sourceable. As I stated....can't find sources....thus no reason to tag it.--Moxy (talk) 23:26, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Could you read over WP:BURDEN before readding contested additions. Your nit new. -Moxy (talk) 23:33, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

I should have said that some paragraphs in those sections have no citations. And a large number of other paragraphs on the page have none at all, as with a high proportion of Wikipedia pages in all languages. On the policy page you have linked, please read Wikipedia:Verifiability#Tagging a sentence, section, or article. I am not going to indulge in a childish edit war with you on the Estonia page, but you will cause great disruption if you search Wikipedia for credible paragraphs without citations and simply delete them, applying your personal interpretation of policy. Inevitably you will soon be tagged for vandalism, as such an approach is unhelpful to the project. Moonraker (talk) 23:53, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

To the point ....can you find a source for what your adding? Because I can't.....so what do we do? Really think it's best to leave it there for the next decade? Your whole post here is implying I did not look for varification and I just delete things for no reason. Pls assume that long term editors are using their editorial discretion and common sense.--Moxy (talk) 00:01, 11 February 2018 (UTC)

Watch it with your dispersions

Some dispersive facts

[1]. See also WP:DIFFUSINGCONFLICT. EEng 22:31, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

NOT sure what's going on over there.--Moxy (talk) 23:04, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

• Moxy, just butting here (in an entirely non-combative way). Aside from this being the usual ArbCom tar-and-feathering (and a look through its archives shows a number of matters that were badly thought out, wrongly described etc), this one is par for the course, with 10 arbs accepting three different cases in one request, and no-one really sure what the case is about. My input here is in relation to your request for "a change from the parties named here". I'm not entirely sure you read my comments in the Current situation and False accusations of tag-teaming parts of the thread. As you can see from the diffs I've posted, I have largely kept away from IB discussions since my Wikibreak. Like you, I have not been entirely successful in dialling all involvement back as far as I wanted, but if you actually look at the evidence, it's a long way short of some of the misleading hyperbole that was posted in the request phase. As to Cass, I am afraid he may well be held as some form of sacrifice here. It would be a great shame; he is an excellent editor (a far better researcher and writer than anyone else who has commented on the case so far, including me), and the wiki-world will be a much poorer place if he is to be the convenient scapegoat for ongoing poking and baiting. - SchroCat (talk) 00:04, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Great to hear from you. As I stated I hope no one gets blocked etc. We should write a behavioral proposal get all those parties involved to agree to it and see if that helps. Also as I said before you guys are great content writers last thing we want to do is lose Cass or yourself. I think if we all acknowledged there has been a problem and that we are all part of that problem we are on our way to a solution.--Moxy (talk) 00:11, 18 February 2018 (UTC)

Revising tutorial pages

Doing all that work takes serious commitment! Can I say I am impressed. --ClemRutter (talk) 22:11, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Another Daily Mail RfC

There is an RfC at Talk:Daily Mail#Request for comment: Other criticisms section. Your input would be most helpful. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:07, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Immigration to Canada Revert

Hi Moxy, I can't seem to understand why you reverted my previous edit. You wrote copyviolation and brought a link that has nothing to do with the content I added :) Please advise, as I don't want to do anything wrong of course. Cheers, Shirley Swan (talk) 07:12, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Precious five years!

Precious

Five years!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:47, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Slavery in Poland

Re: [2]. How about moving the content you reverted there? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:16, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Already done [3]--Moxy (talk) 11:30, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

spam

You think "olympic.ca" is an "odd spam link"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frederic1122 (talk • contribs) 05:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC)

A heads up

Hi.

I'm happy to see you are still going strong.

Here are some things I thought you might like a heads up on...

1. I've revamped the Help:Searching page.

2. I ran across a very well organized custom help page: User talk:Mathglot/Tips.

3. I took the plunge about a year ago into programming in JavaScript. The best user script I've developed so far is SearchSuite. It provides user control over search results: it can strip them down to a single-spaced list, sort, and more. Most of its features are presented as menu item toggles to turn each feature on/off. Each menu-item-controlled feature works on the output of all the others, in both their on and off states. Feedback and feature suggestions welcome.

I hope you find these useful and to your satisfaction.     — The Transhumanist    06:53, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Help reporting a WP:NOTHERE

Saw you warned this troll- [4]

His first edits indicate he’s not an authentic user but has an agenda. If you look at his history even briefly he is juggling several edit wars right now!

Could you help us out with a report on ANI? I’d do it but don’t have the time or experience. He is disrupting several articles. If you really think he is socking, please do a formal sock report and list suspected accounts. Again, just don’t have the time or knowledge. Thanx!2601:282:8300:B761:2014:1750:4EDB:84E4 (talk) 17:32, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Announce: Improved version of "Citation Needed"

Check the date on that announcement... :) --Guy Macon (talk) 13:03, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject The Beatles: Difference between revisions

With your edit to the template you appear to have removed everything with a Beatles template from relative and relavent projects : Albums, songs etc. I will revert, but thought I'd give you a little time to consider and respond whether your edit was completely right, partially right or a misunderstanding. Cheers. --Richhoncho (talk) 13:18, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

One project per banner. Cant merge multiple projects into one banner WP:WikiProject coordination.--Moxy (talk) 13:50, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

So you disagree with the following from the link given, "Banner templates, on the other hand, can be altered as an individual WikiProject sees fit, and—since they can be used to tag all articles relating to a WikiProject, and not just stubs" FWIW. I see a confusion between stubs and projects in the link. I am not discussing stubs. --Richhoncho (talk) 12:11, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps best you explain the problem your having..as the edit i did to the template was to remove other multiple projects from this one banner. One project one banner .--Moxy (talk) 19:07, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

That is the problem, you have removed literally 1000s of articles from projects where they belong (and have been appropriately discussed by the projects). You did not warn the projects of your proposed changes which would have at least been polite, and I disagree with your interpretation of the guide. It is not as clear as you seem to think. It is referring to stubs (see my verbatim quote above). --Richhoncho (talk) 22:08, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

PS> I've now taken it to the relevant projects. --Richhoncho (talk) 22:24, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Oh I see what your saying. ...yes good idea to let the projects know that there banner was being placed without there knowledge as the project hijacked their templates. Need to be cLear here ...it was not the other projects that placed theses in the articles. --Moxy (talk) 22:40, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Actually they did know their banner had been placed there, a quick glance at Wikipedia:WikiProject Songs/Article alerts will prove that. All you have done is create mountains of work for no benefit. --Richhoncho (talk) 22:54, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Its unfair that the projects are so small and non noticeable integrated into the template like this. Plus I don't see how the song project would care about nav templates like Ringo Star. But I will revert let the project decide if their project should be minimalized in this manner.--Moxy (talk)

I revert the edit as I just realized it's protected....thus you could not revert me.....that's also unfair. So let's see what others say.--Moxy (talk) 23:19, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

Crawford

Thanks for reverting the birth year at the Joan Crawford article. I'm on a 1RR restriction and used up my one revert at the article with their first try while they were using an IP account an hour or so prior. I went to the new user's talk page and left a welcome and soft warning, asking them to revert back, but, they either ignored it or didn't see it. Whatever the case, I appreciate you taking care of it. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 03:03, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good ....will post on their page the sources for them to review.--Moxy (talk) 03:05, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

Upcoming changes to wikitext parsing

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Re Canadian Federalism Edit

You deleted my contribution on the topic of sovereign authority, even though the link on "Sovereignty" that it linked to essentially stated the same thing.

I appreciate your contributions in making rightful and proper edits - but might I suggest you flag content for "citation" rather than assuming "sounds like speculation" on the basis of particular word-choice? This will limit Wikipedia's growth because the complexity of context is bound to be such that certain submissions may be beyond the understanding of editors, but this doesn't make them untrue. I am happy to cite my contributions extensively, but they were deleted immediately. ThanksCanlawtictoc (talk) 11:23, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Canadian Population Density maps

Moxy, I see you changed the map I posted on Demographics of Canada and Population of Canada from File:Population density per province by Canada gradient map (2016).svg to File:Canada Population Density Map.png, with the note that "half the country is missing." Just to clarify, is your concern over the Yukon, Northwest Territories, and Nunavut? Because those are included in the map, they're just very light (as you would expect from a population density map). The reason I'd prefer to use the new map is because a) it more clearly shows the stark difference in density between, say, Manitoba and Nunavut, and b) it is updated for the 2016 census (most apparent in BC). I chose the scale colors based on Color Brewer, which is recommended in the Wikiproject Maps conventions. I can adjust the colors to be a little darker, but to be clear, is your only objection that NT/YT/NU are too light? MarginalCost (talk) 15:51, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

We need to fix File:Population density per province by Canada gradient map (2016).svg as I dont see anything for Yukon, Northwest Territories, and Nunavut. Looks like the country is cut off...or zero data.Moxy (talk) 15:57, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Okay, I've re-scaled the map so that the territories are darker and easier to see, and I've re-added them back to the original articles. Hopefully this addresses your concern, let me know if you have other suggestions. MarginalCost (talk) 17:29, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

Can't get over all the news spam we see as of late

Making new maintenance template to deal with this crap Template:News spam

April 2018

Hello, I'm ChieftanTartarus. I noticed that you made a comment on the page Nicolas Cage that didn't seem very civil, so it has been removed. Wikipedia is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Threatening a block for defending the encyclopedic integrity of Wkipedia is an aggressive attack not just on me but the organisation as a whole. Chieftain Tartarus (talk) 07:47, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

• The over-zealous nature of people on that Nicolas Cage article is ridiculous, you can search for nicolas cage's height in google and even google will tell you what his height is, people removing it saying he is not notable for it should also remove EVERYTHING about his personal life seeing as he is not notable for that, this type of behaviour is what ruins wikipedia and what makes wikipedia itself an unreliable source in the views of historians and scholars, its the great irony that you dare to call yourself a great editor when what you do is not at all encyclopedic. The fact that you dared threaten me for defending the very truth this organisation is meant to protect concerns me not just for you but for humanity as a whole, if you can't see the hypocrisy in your own behaviour then you only solidify my argument. Chieftain Tartarus (talk) 07:51, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Great to see you talking.....now can we get you to post on the article talk page about this so all the others can see the problems.--Moxy (talk) 07:54, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

I thank you for the clarity related to the sources, however my general feelings about Wikipedia still stand, and I also feel like your edit log of 'time for a block I think' was inappropriate, but at the same time I couldn't help notice your banner at the top of the page which has the phrase 'everyone makes mistakes', so I am willing to let that slide. I just wish other people could be as restrained when making their comments (myself included) and work to produce a better encyclopedia. Chieftain Tartarus (talk) 07:58, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thank you for providing links which give greater clarity on specific sources. Chieftain Tartarus (talk) 07:55, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thank you, Moxy. Hope all is well with you too!

Discographer (talk) 02:18, 1 May 2018 (UTC)

GA 2nd opinion

Do you have anything additional to add at Talk:The Royal Tenenbaums/GA1? Argento Surfer (talk) 16:34, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

FL

So you delete hours of work I did plus even stuff other people did!? You left the page with even less pictures then when I started! And now it looks bad cause lines of pictures that were originally there are gone or there is only like 2 pics. Not to mention some of those pictures were awful looking, my regions section which was not pictures is completely gone, and the California page has a ton of pictures so I wanted FL to have more. I also think FL needs more pictures on its page from places other than Miami. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesnider7 (talk • contribs) 13:48, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I am going to go over the article now and place the images were they should be pls read over MOS:SANDWICH and WP:GALLERY Wikipedia is not a kids picture book.--Moxy (talk) 13:54, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Well you can tell me to edit it or edit some things but not everything I did including stuff I wrote! I don't appreciate that at all. Now hours of my life have been wasted. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesnider7 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Well I will just add images to that page constantly now until you stop editing out my work and let me edit my own stuff. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesnider7 (talk • contribs) 14:04, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Thesnider7 - That would not be a good idea... that is disruptive behavior; do not disrupt Wikipedia to make a point - else it can result in being blocked. Thank you. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 14:06, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Sorry I won't do that, but I am upset. I've literally spent three days editing this page and it is now all gone plus more. I also do not know how to undo any of it, so it appears I have to start over again. I'm just dissapointed... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesnider7 (talk • contribs) 14:09, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

(ec) I will review the changes...but its hard as there is no WP:edit summaries] to indicate when things were added. As for the content added we do require sources for the information that is not copy and pasted from the sources.--Moxy (talk) 14:11, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok..yeah there needs to be edit summaries. I added a regions section that just listed the regions of Florida that I got from the Regions of Florida Category...I didn't know how to source that exactly. I added it because California's page again had a similar section and I thought Florida could use one too. I mainly too just wanted to add more pics that were from other places besides Miami and I changed some pictures that just looked ugly to me...like the pic of the Miami airport terminal.

New pics would be great but ....." a gallery should not be added so long there is space for images to be effectively presented adjacent to text. Gallery images must collectively add to the reader's understanding of the subject.......A gallery is not a tool to shoehorn images into an article, .....the image inserted should be mentioned in the text of the article." Let add images beside the text .....pls looks at the pages with a mobile phone from time to time to see how images look in that view.--Moxy (talk) 14:26, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

I did..like I added a manatee pic to the environmental issues section where they are mentioned instead of a random beach in Miami. I also added city skylines where they are mentioned and other things too like Fort Brooke during the Seminole Wars. I also don't understand some pics your adding...like the Jefferson Davis thing that no one in FL knows about. Like I've lived in FL for 22 years and never have heard of that, but I have heard of the stuff I uploaded. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesnider7 (talk • contribs) 14:30, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok I will go later a just add my regions section back in, change a few ugly-looking pictures to some better ones maybe, and add just a couple more pictures. Then I will be done and you can message me if I overdid it. Then I can fix it further. I'll also check it out on a mobile device too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesnider7 (talk • contribs) 14:39, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Ok.....we are having edit conflicts with your reverts ......any way we can get you to not make more galleries... add images beside the text so its not a scrolling nightmare on mobile view. Galleries cause us to loss readers because most wont scroll more then a few times -- Moxy (talk) 14:45, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

That I can do...I'll just add images to the side and only put things mentioned in text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thesnider7 (talk • contribs) 14:49, 13 May 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Ladies Man (EP)

The article Ladies Man (EP) has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Album does not seem to meet any notability criteria distinct from April Wine. All coverage are small mentions. Has been unref for 12 years

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Lyudmila Trut Page

Hello, I'm the creator of the Lyudmila Trut page. If I'm understanding correctly you put a notice on the page of possible "cutting and pasting" or other possible violations of copyrighted material. I did my best to put any direct quotes in quotation marks and to give a reference; to my knowledge I have obtained appropriate permissions for the two photos. Could you indicate what sentences/sections you believe to be violations and/or inappropriate? Thanks.Steven C. Price 13:53, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

I need help please

I would like to clarify that I have an eye injury and I want one of you to help me in the treatment of my eyes and that the injury caused the separation of retina and cornea, and thank you very much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dada201000 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 1 June 2018 (UTC)

please see WP:MEDICAL.--Moxy (talk) 03:05, 2 June 2018 (UTC)

moxy una pregunta

tienes disponibilidad para borrar un articulo en wikipedia español ya que la bibliotecaria de wikipedia tiene un punto de vista errado proque solo lo que quiere es dañar o perjudicar a el nombre de un amigo https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenzo_Alejandro_Laviosa_L%C3%B3pez — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kraken198 (talk • contribs) 00:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Sandwiching

Thanks my friend but I want to show the real important sights and the most relevant legends of the big cities, you could help me with that fixing that what you say, and if you dont bother with the grammar too. Thanks for all your helps from always my friend--BrugesFR (talk) 04:29, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Try to link to the template to the lead. I did and It's say that this (i dont know what is) template is in consenus to a deleting from wikipedia--BrugesFR (talk) 12:35, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

Rome

There are a image of the Sistine Chapel (Vatican City, Holy See) althought it was built by an Italian and the Vatican city was a part of the city of Rome, it's not now. I think that's not should to be there, the article has other Vatican image, a large paroramic view, that's enough. What do you think? i will delete that one, with your permission--BrugesFR (talk) 12:45, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

The images absolutly relate with the texts, sections or the dates in the article. Please, When do you find the error communicate to me to avoid that error but not the rest of the edits--BrugesFR (talk) 00:32, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I found some older reference pretty overdated, for example with this |df=dmy-all }}. May be can be the problem--BrugesFR (talk) 00:38, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

The images most I put to relates with the date that talking about the sections. And the buildings are most importants because the history of the city is only visible in its buildings and structures, people are most intestesting in the existing buildings, and a city is formed by its own people and its buildings, and the importants events occured in the city were in its buildings--BrugesFR (talk) 00:43, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Rome

I will add a image gallery with the title 'Other sights' in the same way as currently has the articles of Hamburg, Barcelona, Seville, New York City ...--BrugesFR (talk) 23:48, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

I will add in this article, a gallery of two-line, but with small-size images--BrugesFR (talk) 23:56, 13 June 2018 (UTC)

Greeting

You are Awesome. You work is great and you are perfect in this. Wish you a beauitful and amazing life... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:205:5083:5C80:0:0:A89:D0AC (talk) 15:13, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

HRE

Can you explain? Srnec (talk) 22:43, 13 July 2018 (UTC)

Explain what?--Moxy (talk) 02:54, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

Your reverting back some months at Holy Roman Empire. Srnec (talk) 17:14, 14 July 2018 (UTC)

ohhhhh......remove odd German addition by Ernio48.--Moxy (talk) 13:25, 15 July 2018 (UTC)

Slavery in Canada (New France)

I would like to know why you erased the tags I added to article Slavery in Canada (New France)? If I added them it's because there's a reason about it. Do we have to explain everything tag that we add to every article? If it be like that it would never end in my opinion. RafaelS1979 (talk) 10:39, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

WP:OVERTAGGING pls read this.....fly by tagging many many many many articles with zero effort is not what we are looking for here. --Moxy (talk) 14:10, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Being rude and accusing people of things they haven't done isn't what we're looking for either around here. I'll stop here because I don't want to enter into a meaningless argument that will lead nowhere anyway. Just remember that everybody learns and make errors, all of us. RafaelS1979 (talk) 23:13, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

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turtles

question why dont they post alot of pictures of turtles thats crazy if there gonna have info but not pictures with the info ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turtlecare3 (talk • contribs) 00:43, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

are u a girl or boy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turtlecare3 (talk • contribs) 00:49, 27 July 2018 (UTC)

Ancient History

Hello Moxy, My name is Sunriseshore I addressed you on the talk page, I also have decided to message you here.

The Ancient History Page has been a mess for at least ten years, entire sections were filled with list of dates without discussion or context, other parts were unsourced and in some sections such as Vietnam/Japan mythology was being used as actual history. About four days ago I have started major editing to address these problems and to make the page more visually appealing. However this process takes time and I cannot completely renovate the page immediately.

I have addressed some of your concerns already and I just saw your comment on the 'End of Period' I did not write the content but I did move it from a section called 'Late Antiquity'. Before I began the editing the page seemed to be confused on whether it had a world or western history focus I am attempting to make the page proper world history I do not intend for this arrangement to be permanent. I plan to replace the timeline with discussion not just on the historical events but also the academic issues in defining the ancient/postclassical period.

I would appreciate any help but please do not roll back my edits without discussion. If you look at the history of the page you will see the problems it had before and what I have done to correct them. If you would like to see what I have done in the past with general history articles I encourage you to take a look at Postclassical History which was mostly written by me. Though that still needs some work as well.

Sunriseshore (talk) 00:19, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

Newfoundland and Labrador article.

Dear Moxy: I notice you have just reversed my qualifications of the claims in the article that the Beothuk are "extinct". I am sure you did this in good faith and I am certainly not wishing to get in an argument or "edit war" with you. It is true that "officially" they have been considered "extinct" since Shawnadithit died in the capital, St. John's in 1829. However, there are still many descendants of the Beothuk still alive today and they are actively seeking recognition and an apology from both the Canadian Federal and Provincial governments. Chief Carol SongofJoy has opened a page on Facebook and has been coordinating moves towards official recognition that the Boethuk were never extinct - although it is true that there are no full Beothuk left, only people of mixed race - but then, many, if not most, native peoples in North America are of mixed blood. I have been waiting for the Canadian and Newfoundland and Labrador governments to respond to the requests for official recognition before fully updating appropriate WP articles. Please do not hesitate to contact me if you have any further questions. sincerely, John Hill (talk) 02:37, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Wonderfull POV any academic sources? Genetic testing, official recognition....anything more then a Facebook page? Just to be clear we have their genome and nothing matches yet.--Moxy (talk) 02:42, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Hi again. You are correct that there are no peer-reviewed academic sources available yet (as far as I know) saying the Beothuk are not extinct, but none of the articles that I know of which do claim that they are "extinct" show any proof that is, in fact, true - it is just stated as a "fact". However, there are plenty of references to Beothuk people mixing with Europeans, Innu, and Inuit in the early literature and many families have strong family histories of their lineage back to Beothuk ancestors, and some of us have detailed family trees and photographs (which have been forwarded to support the claims to the two governments). Also, some of us are having DNA samples tested but they are unlikely to be able to "prove" a connection with the Beothuk because there are so few provenanced Beothuk DNA samples to compare them with). One can't call a species or race "extinct" in good faith when there are living descendants of them - can one? As a proud descendant of the Beothuk - I think I have a right to qualify claims that the Beothuk are "extinct" in WP articles - but, please let me know if you think I am wrong to do so. Yours, John Hill (talk) 03:07, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Hello again. Sorry to keep bothering you - thanks for your patience - but I have just been checking material relating to the article on DNA you have referred to. Unfortunately, I can only access the abstract of the article, but I did find an article from the Globe and Mail discussing these findings which quotes one of the researchers as saying about their findings: "That leaves open the question of who the Beothuk were related to, said Dr. Grimes, a question that will likely only be answered with a far more detailed and costly study of chromosomal DNA from the Beothuk and other First Nations groups with living descendants in the region. Such a larger study could have implications for future land claims and for the overall understanding of the island's pre-European history." So, as far as I can see, we will have to wait for further DNA studies to hopefully give us more information. See: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/dna-deepens-mystery-of-newfoundlands-lost-beothuk-people/article36560469/. In the meantime, I contend that the family trees carefully preserved by some families, and the many oral histories, are the best evidence we have so far. Best wishes,John Hill (talk) 03:29, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Best to read the article about the study tof make ithe more clear....DNA so unique that if any portion was found in a living population it would make Headline News lets quote " the results show that the Beothuk were neither direct descendants of the Maritime Archaic people nor close relatives who repopulated the island after its first inhabitants disappeared." .--Moxy (talk) 03:32, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the publishers want US$ 54.00 for 24 hour access, or US $509 for 30 days, and I cannot afford this (and I object to scientific findings being kept for the privileged few - it is terribly elitist). However, it seems from the abstract that they have just compared a few (fairly well-provenanced?) Beothuk DNA samples against samples they already had of neighbouring indigenous groups - and did not compare them with DNA from living people claiming Beothuk descent and suggested it would take a future very expensive study to do this. I should add that some people have had DNA tests done by private testing companies who claim to have found connections to the Beothuk - however, while interesting, and suggestive perhaps, I do not fully trust such findings by commercial testing companies without corroboration. This is why i have just indicated that there is considerable controversy surrounding the use of the term "extinct" for the Beothuk - and I think it would be wrong not to point this out in the article in question. John Hill (talk) 04:01, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

I disagree.....a change in history needs academic sources over here say and wishful thinking.--Moxy (talk) 04:09, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Well, OK, you certainly have the right to disagree IF you can show academic sources that do more than just make unsubstantiated claims of extinction and show some proof that they are extinct - some "proof" that is more credible than the long-kept family trees and photos of various families. I don't think it is credible to accept such claims - even if they were made by "academics". Surely it is all right to point out in the WP that these unsupported claims are at present being questioned? John Hill (talk) 04:19, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

If your looking to research the topic.....I usualy point the students to This page.--Moxy (talk) 04:35, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks - but there is nothing new here, and moreover, Professor Janzen makes the common mistake of conflating "extinction" and "cultural extinction" - two very different concepts. And, furthermore, he doesn't state his reasons why we should accept the unproven assertion, by him and various other "authorities", that the Beothuk are extinct. One wonders why they are so determined that they are right even though many families continue to claim Beothuk heritage (even though this is socially unpopular), and have paperwork to support their claims? One wonders why they seem so determined to insist on the extinction of the Beothuk with no real evidence? Is there, perhaps, a hidden agenda here? John Hill (talk) 05:01, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Stop don't move forward with guess work

Agree hidden agenda........ denial of a the genocide of a First Nations people hits close to home as a mohawk for me. Done here till you have more then here say.Moxy (talk) 05:09, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for your interesting reply. Yes, some of us have wondered why the insistence on "extinction", and whether it was part of the general cover-up of the genocide of many First Nations peoples - but it is very difficult to prove. It is somewhat similar to the situation here in Australia (where I have spent many years working with and for Aboriginal people). In Australia, the British used a wonderful new trick - they declared the land "terra nullius" - indicating it was uninhabited (by people - as Aboriginals did not quite make that high status in their eyes). This meant they could grab the land as they wished and there was no need to make treaties with the original inhabitants. It is only now in the 21st century that we seem to be closing in finally on some sort of treaty or other legal arrangement here. Aboriginal people here only got federal rights to vote in 1962, and were only considered citizens of the country after a referendum held in 1967 (but, to be fair, more than 91% of Australians voted in favour).

I would be happy to send you copies of my family's tree and photos but would have to ask you to keep it all private. However, I don't think it is relevant to put it on the WP. I will have to wait to see what comes out of our Chief's attempts to get official recognition from the Canadian authorities. But, I still don't see why I can't indicate that there is some controversy about this issue in the WP without coming down on one side or the other. Greetings and best wishes, John Hill (talk) 05:34, 31 July 2018 (UTC)

Where was it that you were suggesting we put the discussion?

[Pretty much a newbie navigating the WP structure at this level] And if I may, the other issue I identified here was a naming convention for WP:EL/P and WP:RS/P. Is there an appropriate place and manner to take that discussion? Thx, Humanengr (talk) 01:24, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Home base would be Wikipedia talk:Project namespace....see you there.--Moxy (talk) 01:26, 13 August 2018 (UTC)

Languages of Canada

Hello, I come from the Template: Languages of Canada page where you have repeatedly reverted more comprehensive edits to a simplified and generally poorer version of the page. If you disagree with elements or wish to see certain aspects, I invite you to edit the page. However, I request that the ongoing blanket undo-ing of the page stop.

As a Kanien'kehá:ka, you should be well aware of the linguistic diversity across Canada. As a Haudenosaunee, you should also be aware of your brothers–Onyota'a:ka–who are in the process of developing a new language: On^yota'á:ka Sign Language (OSL). With this, you should be aware of the complex nature of Canada's languages (manual and oral alike). A simplified list with English approximates leaves out many, many connected pages that the Navbox is intended to link to. As well, the older version separates out manual/oral languages from each other. This Navbox update is an attempt to clarify the very complex linguistic situation in Canada by promoting Indigenous v. Settler and then breaking them down into language families–a tried and true method across linguistic disciplines

So, again. Stop undoing changes to an ancient, out of date page. Please edit from the current place and work from there with /actual/ justifications for the edits rather than 'undo's. --Danachos (talk) 21:31, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Simplify? Template talk:Languages of Canada.

Copied and pasted

What do you mean by "copied and pasted" [5]? Everything I added to that article is my own work by quoting the work of U.S. federal government (U.S. Congress, U.S. Supreme Court, U.S. courts of appeals, Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA), etc). See Copyright status of work by the U.S. government. Cornell Law School is obviously not the source, the U.S. federal government is. [6], [7], [8]--Libracarol (talk) 22:41, 21 August 2018 (UTC)

Hello there ☺ The page in question is appearing on our copyright tool....when looking further into it we are get 70%+ is a direct copy.....this is normally to much that is why I tagged it for someone to look over it as per WP:DCV over reverting or deletion because of the content. Pls review MOS:QUOTATIONS and WP:Copy-paste for more info as thats alot of copy pasting even for a law article.--Moxy (talk) 01:44, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. But the quotes are mainly under the article's "references" section. I added it only for the convenience of readers, plus, it makes the article trustworthy, especially when backed by the highest U.S. courts, which makes it as official as it can be. What the U.S. Supreme Court says becomes a clearly established law of the nation and I cited mostly those cases, which are backed by lower courts. Debates relating to "aggravated felony" are never ending in the U.S. and even many lawyers have trouble understanding that term and its consequences. The main point I added and proved in the article was that the term can also affect non-citizen nationals of the United States. The reason the article needs to be explained in great detail is because an alleged aggravated felony conviction could lead anyone (including a completely innocent person) to death.--Libracarol (talk) 12:34, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi, as you have stated in my Egypt lede edit, "The article's lead covers thousands of years...a whole paragraph on just the past few years going into so much details that we link names is considered WP:Undue. Theses named people and events do not define the country for the past few millenniums." Now I have changed the mistaken article exactly as you stated

Can you approve my edit request, as told by your rules of how ledes should take place. talk:turkey Marjdabi (talk) 04:06, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Native Americans in the United States

Material from my latest edit was taken from intro to Columbian exchange and from the North American section of Indigenous peoples of the Americas. If content from these articles can't be trusted because it violates copyright material it is hardly my fault. Threatening to block me therefore seems a little harsh. I expect you will be deleting the material from those articles too for the sake of consistency UtDicitur (talk) 08:46, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

@UtDicitur: If you're copying material from another Wikipedia article, you should attribute it, which will allow people to recognize that you're doing so. Nikkimaria (talk) 11:51, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

He copy pasted from [9]...as seen here.--Moxy (talk) 11:53, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

He says he copied from another article, which is a different issue. For the issue you're raising, that site is CC licensed and appears to be attributing content to Wikipedia - are you sure they didn't copy from us, if that content was previously in another article? Nikkimaria (talk) 11:55, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

That could easily be possible...but we have no indication that what was done.....as the edit summary does not indicate anything. That said I would still have reverted because it's not sourced. The page pop up on our copyright violation Tool. --Moxy (talk) 17:26, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Israel

You reverted both mine and User:Kbb2's edits in your huge rollback. Please self-revert and only undo the disputed edit (Government and politics section). TPG^stalk 05:35, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Best all the new additions are talked about. We restore to stable version till all is worked out.--Moxy (talk) 05:43, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

The other additions are neither new, not disputed. They are merely technical edits. TPG^stalk 05:47, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Need show what your talking about ...as most will consider this more then technical.--Moxy (talk) 05:53, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Here. I can't point to the exact policy, but common sense tells me that it's better to just transcribe that syllable instead of omitting it. Neither transcription is more correct than the other, but I'd normally use ⟨-⟩ for two or more syllables. @Nardog: can you confirm that's what we usually do? Kbb2 (ex. Mr KEBAB) (talk) 08:28, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

We discussed that at Talk:Israel/Archive 69#Pronunciation back in February. It's a matter of editors' choice, but as I expressed then, I agree with Ƶ§œš¹ there and Kbb2 above. There's little point in using "-" when it only saves two letters. Nardog (talk) 09:52, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Beast

You appear to be quite an adept poster of knowledge that I would guess is also well educated... TY for all your work... <redacted> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.210.14.43 (talk) 16:07, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Referencing

Hi there, I did not realise the issue of references also applied to copying from other Wikipedia articles, although of course logically it should! I will bear it in mind in future. So many of these articles were created back in the early days with wholesale copying of webpages or single sources in a way that would never be tolerated today, so copying from them without checking sources is obviously not a good idea. UtDicitur (talk) 11:08, 3 September 2018 (UTC)

Gave proof

I have given what you asked though it might be thin. But it's fresh enough and I highly doubt reporting, supporting against and edit-warring with people they didn't have a dispute with originally is a coincidence. VALIDALTguy (talk) 06:36, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

The links are good....but it's unclear your intent....you support or oppose the ideas?--Moxy (talk) 06:38, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Like many people, I've been targeted by them. You know supporting any proposal by them is out of question. If it had been someone else proposing it, I might say yes. VALIDALTguy (talk) 06:40, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Sounds good....that said.....your going to have trouble....most will concluded your hiding to avoid scrutiny....or just another shock..... be aware it's likely someone will investigate and strike your comments...... but striking comments makes people read them more.... so your point will get across.--Moxy (talk) 06:44, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

I am hiding. Because I don’t want to get targeted at my real-named account by these people again, even though their filing may be false again. VALIDALTguy (talk) 06:47, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Sock Strike

Hi there, I have removed the Troll socks comment per Wikipedia:Dealing_with_sock_puppets#Cleaning_up_after_a_sock_puppet_is_blocked. This is just to inform you. regards. --DBigXrayᗙ 09:52, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Ethnic Groups

Hello. I see you added an original research tag on the list of contemporary ethnic groups. So, are you going to help us with the list, or is this going to be your only contribution? Thanks. Rjrya395 (talk) 18:40, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

I don't mean to sound rude. Seriously, that list could use a veteran editor to look this over. It feels like no one is watching it. We really need your help. Rjrya395 (talk) 18:49, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

I will help.....cant get over how large the page I created a decade ago has goten.

Wait you created that list? I didn't know that! But anyway, thank you so much. Rjrya395 (talk) 01:22, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Formation of Italy

Hello, I was editing the Italy article. I am new, so I do not know all of the policies at Wikipedia. My apologies for any "edit warring". My reason for editing was stated in the talk section of the Italy article. Here was my comment: "I recently edited the Italy article regarding the formation of the nation. In it, I added Ancient Rome (Kingdom, Empire, and Western Empire). However, these were removed several times. I thought it was evident that Ancient Rome was important in the development of Italy, so I did not include any source. The reason I made this edit was because other nations have ancient kingdoms listed in their formation and are not removed, such as Iran, China, Japan, Greece, etc. Here is a good source: Roman Italy. I don't see why other nations are allowed to have their ancient civilizations listed, yet Italy cannot". Other nations like Iran have multiple entries with significant gaps in time and less continuity, so I did not see it as a problem or inaccurate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:42:901:E7A0:DD4A:B31F:C02A:F1C2 (talk) 04:10, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

September 2018

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on India. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. Nihlus 21:30, 24 September 2018 (UTC)