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October 4

Need help to upload photos

I would like to upload photos of my relative, sewing machine inventor Allen B. Wilson, to the page under his name. I am not tech savvy! Would someone please help? Thanks! Nsnskz (talk) 00:38, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Nsnskz: Thanks! Before we get into technical details, you must understand copyright law. Sorry, The law itself sometime has ludicrous consequences, but we are obligated to comply with it. Copyright in a picture belongs to the photographer. If you are not the photographer or the heir of the photographer, you cannot upload the picture. (There are some very narrow exceptions). If you do own the copyright, you can upload the picture to our image repository at Commons, and then add it to the article. Start by hitting the "upload file" link in the left-hand column of this or any other page here at Wikipedia, and follow the instructions. If you get lost, come back here and we'll try to help.-Arch dude (talk) 02:29, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Nsnskz: OOPS! I now see that Allen B. Wilson died in 1888. This means that the photos are from before 1924 and if any of them was published before then, it is no longer copyrighted (it's in the "public domain") So you can upload it. -Arch dude (talk) 02:35, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Nsnskz, based on the above, try starting here, it's were we keep public domain images. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:40, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Visual editor (still) acting weirdly

Hello. I had asked this here before but I did not receive a response. Basically, whenever I use the visual editor I can't delete text if there is a reference in that text. It sometimes will disappear on my end but won't actually do anything on Wikipedia's end. I'm using Mozilla Firefox and Windows 10. TheAwesomeHwyh 02:36, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

I suspect that many people who respond to questions here regard the Visual Editor as broken, and have little knowledge of it. It's unfortunate. Maproom (talk) 06:44, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Seconded, it's got a mind of its own and needs every edit previewing carefullly. If it doesn't do what you want it's simple to switch to source editing. Eagleash (talk) 13:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Alright. I did use the source editor whenever I needed to but I had always used the visual editor and never had any problems with it. I suppose I'll just switch to source editor. TheAwesomeHwyh 17:26, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Just to clarify, you can easily switch to source editing when using the vis ed. There's an icon / link at the top of the edit window (pencil icon with a downward arrow). Eagleash (talk) 18:49, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Alex Mapelli-Mozzi

Please fix up my new citation - ref number 8. It is in red. Thanks and sorry 175.33.248.139 (talk) 06:38, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

The citation is to a Google search which found the 1989 edition of Which School. Does that edition really confirm that the subject attended Downside 20 years earlier? Incidentally, this source says that he attended Radley. Maproom (talk) 07:05, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Alex's son Edoardo was a student at Radley (not Alex, he was at Downside, see above please) - this citation is establishing that the school - Downside - is a boys boarding school which ALEX (the subject on the page) attended. Please fix the "red bits" in citation number 8. Thanks and sorry about any confusion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.33.248.139 (talk) 07:35, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

The new ref doesn't mention Mapelli-Mozzi, so has been removed. People who want more detail about Downside School can follow the link to Downside School. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Date formatting not working?

The Greta Thunberg article has the "Use dmy dates" template, but the citation dates seem to be coming out yyyy-mm-dd. Is there a reason for this that I'm missing? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 08:53, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

The Use dmy dates template doesn't actually change anything, it's just a record of the last time that the article was scanned for date formats. - X201 (talk) 09:25, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@X201: The documentation of Template:Use dmy dates says: "Citation Style 1 and 2 (collectively cs1|2) templates automatically render dates (|date=, |access-date=, |archive-date=, etc) in the style specified by this template.", and if you look at the article you will see that the dates in the refs are specified in the wikitext as dmy but rendered as yyyy-mm-dd. The use dmy dates tag has been specified with the parameter "|cs1-dates=y" which causes it to render as ymd. If you remove the "|cs1-dates=y" the ref dates will render as dmy. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:36, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

Just read it, didn't know about the template change. Very little fanfare. - X201 (talk) 09:49, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

The template is working correctly. It is written like this:

{{Use dmy dates|date=September 2019|cs1-dates=y}}

The last bit of that, |cs1-dates=y, tells the templates to render dates in YYYY-MM-DD format. See the documentation at Template:Use dmy dates § Auto-formatting citation template dates

—Trappist the monk (talk) 09:42, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

I looked at the template, and tried removing that parameter, but it made no difference. I have often used it like that and it's always worked before... Laterthanyouthink (talk) 09:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

There you go. I removed the parameter, saved and then purged the page. - X201 (talk) 10:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for that, X201. Did you have the same experience, with it not working in preview? (I didn't try saving because it didn't display correctly when I previewed it.) And what do you mean by "purged", as a matter of interest? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:18, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Laterthanyouthink: Wikipedia:Purge -- John of Reading (talk) 12:27, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, John of Reading. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:46, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Need to have a page deleted by an admin

Hi, I've just published (and improved) an article from a draft in Articles for Creation, Smitha Anthony and then noticed that the title should actually be Smitha Antony. However there is already an article in mainspace for Smitha Antony! We don't need both as they are about the same person, but the one at Anthony is a bit tidier and has more detail so I'd like the Antony article to be deleted and the Anthony one re-named Antony. TIA! MurielMary (talk) 09:26, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

I was not comfortable deleting the history at Antony; and they had parallel histories so I couldn't do a history merge. However, I have copied the content at Anthony to Antony and replaced Anthony with a re-direct and placed a copied template on both talk pages for attribution. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 13:50, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Creation Date of a Wikipedia Page

Where can I find the original creation date of a Wikipedia page? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.214.27.105 (talk) 10:35, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Click on the "View history" tab at the top of the page and navigate (using the settings at the bottom of the tab if necessary), to the oldest revision. {The poster formerly knowhn as 87.81.230.195} 2.121.161.82 (talk) 12:12, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

At "view history" you can also click "Page statistics" near the top. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:10, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Link Alerts

I usually think that I know why editing Wikipedia behaves in the way that it does. But I am annoyed now. I keep getting messages that 4 or 5 or 8 links were made to Standing Committee on Defence (India). I assume that means that I have that page on my watchlist. Okay. I tried to unwatch it, and I don't have it watched, but I did move a sandbox to Draft:Standing Committee on Defence, which was then accepted with disambiguation. So I think that I have unwatched the sandbox (which I never explicitly watched, except that I forgot to uncheck a box on a move). Have I missed something? How do I finally turn these notices off? 13:43, 4 October 2019 (UTC) Signing a little late. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:32, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Go to Special:Preferences, then under the "Notifications" tab untick the box next to "Page link". As far as I know page notifications are entirely separate from the Watchlist, so whether a page is on your Watchlist will have no bearing on whether you receive notifications for it. – Arms & Hearts (talk) 13:51, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. I've turned those notifications off. I wasn't learning anything useful from them. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:35, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Robert McClenon: If you have a hand in the creation of an article, you automatically get alerts when people link to it. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:40, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Bombing articles with a capital B

There are about 400 articles of the form (Year) (details) bombing(s). The vast majority (such as 2015 Abha mosque bombing and 2008 Times Square bombing use a lowercase b. There are about 25 (from 1972 Aldershot Bombing to 1992 Yemen Hotel Bombings which use a capital B. If it were just one, I'd be bold and move/lowercase it to 1992 Yemen Hotel bombings, etc. But this many seems like a big deal and so I'd like to get confirmation that it's the right thing before changing all these articles. Ma^t_chups 13:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

• No, Matchups, I agree that it is *ahem* no big deal, and should be moved. There's clearly a numerical consensus for lower cases bombings, and it's not a proper noun. ——SerialNumber54129 14:06, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

You are right to ask, as BOLD doesn't really cover a series of page moves. Lowercase is right, unless it was a title or similar. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:09, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Question about copyright violations

I'd like some help. Here is the long story short. I started a brand new article (Clutter family murders). I started it by "copying and pasting" a relevant paragraph from another Wikipedia article (the "Crime" section of In Cold Blood). As soon as I did that, I received some notification that it was a copyright violation. So, immediately, within about 5 seconds, I deleted the "offending" text. Then, some other second similar "warning" came up. So, again, I deleted the "offending" text. Immediately. Then, another user placed my brand new article into "draft space".

I have asked these questions on my Talk Page. No one is answering my questions. Most "respondents" are too busy criticizing me .. and not offering any answers at all.

My questions:

• Question 1: I did not know it was a copyright violation. And, as soon as I was told that it was, I removed it immediately ... within a few seconds. Isn't that the appropriate thing to do? What was I supposed to do? What should I have done?

• Question 2: Also, I simply did a "copy-and-paste" from the In Cold Blood article. Why is it a copyright violation when I do it? But, right now, sitting as text in the In Cold Blood article, it is not a copyright violation? If the material is already in an article ... shouldn't I -- and we all -- assume that it is not a copyright violation? And if it is indeed a copyright violation, why is it in there now, undisturbed? Very confusing. Please advise. Thanks.

Please help. Thanks.

I'd like answers to these specific questions ... rather than a "lambasting", which most are inclined (and interested) to do (on my Talk Page).

If this is not the place to get answers to these specific questions, what is the appropriate venue?

Thanks.

Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:04, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Joseph A. Spadaro: For Q2: Wikipedia articles are covered by copyright, but with a permissive license that allows you to copy only if you attribute it. See WP:CWW. For Q1, removing it is one way to fix it. The other way to fix it is to provide the missing attribution, per WP:RIA RudolfRed (talk) 16:16, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Question 2 is asking why the offending material is RIGHT NOW not a copyright violation? As to Question 1 ... I deleted the "offending material" in about 3 seconds after I was notified. And people on my Talk Page are all freaked out about it, after I deleted it. So, what was I supposed to do? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:22, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Without digging into it, it appears that the Crime section in n_Cold_Blood is just normal Wikipedia article. Why would it be a copyright violation? You violated the copyright when you copied it into a new article without attribution. I don't see anyone freaking out on your talk page. It is a discussion about why you cannot copy from one Wikipedia article into another without attribution. RudolfRed (talk) 16:45, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

This looks to be a case of reverse copyvio - the source ([1]) which is supposedly the origin of the copyrighted material claims to be an excerpt from "Wickedpedia", but the actual source and content is pretty obviously lifted from here (has Wikipedia links intact and such, even one inline reference that's obviously using Wikipedia source code). It seems more likely that the author of that work pulled from In Cold Blood, and Joseph A. Spadaro inadvertently copied that same material from one article to another, and then someone caught it in Earwig's tool without checking the origin. Attribution can be fixed by a template, this didn't need to be revdeleted. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, all. You've been very helpful. Now, another question. Just so I understand correctly. If I want to create a brand new article (called Clutter family murders ... I can copy-and-paste verbatim the paragraph/section called "Crime" from the In Cold Blood article, as long as I "attribute it" properly ... am I correct? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:27, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:04, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Resolved

I received a "copyright violation warning". How can I look at that warning? It seems to be deleted / inaccessible.

I created an article. It was called Clutter family murders. (Someone later moved it into "draft space", here: Draft:Clutter family murders). As soon as I created the article, I received some type of "copyright warning". And that warning said something like: "This material is a copyright violation. It appears to be copied directly from SUCH-AND-SUCH WEBSITE." The name of the website was nothing that I had ever seen before, and it did not say "Wikipedia". How can I take a look at that "copyright violation warning", so that I can see what website they were talking about? The warning itself, it seems, was deleted or is inaccessible at this point. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 16:33, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Joseph A. Spadaro, copying text from one Wikipedia article to another is allowed; however, you must give attribution to the editors who created the text. You do that by writing an edit summary something like "Adding text copied from Abraham Lincoln" or whatever article you copied from. Please read Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia for complete details. If you do not attribute the source, then you are violating the copyright of those who wrote the source, since our license requires attribution. I will look into the warning you received. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:45, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The revisions of your draft which contained the copyright-violating material were deleted and are now only visible to administrators, which is our policy. The notice regarding the violation was posted on an older revision of the page and was removed when the process was completed, but you can see the notice in the draft's history here. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:46, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

The copyvio detector reported that material was copied from this website. It is possible that this website violated Wikipedia's copyright. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 16:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Agreed, see my comment in the thread above. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 16:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Very helpful. I have another question. My guess -- but, I have no idea -- is that this "copyright violation" was picked up by some computer bot or some-such. Right? I can't imagine that a human user "spotted" the violation within one second of me doing the "copy-and-paste". Was this done by a computer or by some bot? (As I suspect.) Or by a human? Let's say that I "attributed" the material correctly, with an appropriate edit summary. Does the "bot" actually read the edit summaries ... and would the bot then "know" that this is not a copyright violation? (To me, I can't imagine that that is the case.) So -- even if I attributed everything perfectly correctly (in an appropriate edit summary) -- wouldn't the bot still claim this to be a violation? The bot doesn't read edit summaries? Or is this all done by a human? Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:36, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

I believe there is a bot but I'm not familiar with its operation or what triggers it to run on any particular page. Probably a reviewer looking at the new pages feed saw your article and checked it themselves using a reviewing tool, I don't use the feed myself so I don't know what tools are available from it. The tool I use is Earwig's Copyvio Detector, which only looks at external sources so wouldn't know if you copied from another Wikipedia article, it would only see that it matched the external site. I believe that tool does have a "whitelist" of sites that are known to be Wikipedia mirrors or otherwise free to use, but it is updated manually. The tool is supposed to be used as a starting point to investigate potential copyright infringement, not assumed to be 100% accurate, but we're all volunteers here and a 75.4% match is a pretty high confidence result. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:42, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, all. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 21:04, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Resolved

Making redirect of popular article name

I'm preparing a proposal to rename climate change into climate variability and change, and a second proposal to possibly rename global warming to climate change. Currently our article about climate change deals with the general concept in past, current and future, which I believe doesn't comply with WP:PRIMARY. There are thousands of redirects climate change, most of which should be redirects to an article about the ongoing climate change, but about 15% of them are actually correct. If my first renaming proposal succeeds, 15% of them will be incorrect. I was wondering how to go about correcting these redirects. Doing this manually will take a tremendous amount of time. Are there any tools that can help with this process? Would it be helpful to temporarily have climate change be a disambiguation page? I know that if you add a link to a disambiguation page, you get a notification on your talk page, and I was wondering if something similar happens for already existing articles. Femke Nijsse (talk) 17:06, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

​There are only 25 redirects to climate change so I'm guessing you're talking about incoming links. There are ~5.000 articles that link to climate change, so what I'd do is this: Make an API search query like this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&list=search&srsearch=insource:/\[\[climate%20change(\||\])/i&utf8=&srlimit=10, export it to Excel, read the matching text snippets and mark in a new column if it is about global warming or climate variability, then take the list of articles that need to be changed and use WP:JWB to rapidly update the links. If you make a list of keywords that make an article more likely to be about either topic (like "Kyoto" vs. "Phanerozoic"), you could speed up your categorization. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:44, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

That's such a great tool. Thanks for the help! I will delve into the links and maybe come back if I have any more questions :). Femke Nijsse (talk) 19:53, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Insource regex is slow and may time out on searches which don't limit the pages first. User:PrimeHunter/Source links.js on Climate change produces Source links. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:32, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you @Þjarkur and PrimeHunter:! I'm part of the WikiProject working on the name change proposal with Femke. There is a lot in that url that I don't understand. I won't ask ya'll to retype something that already exists, but do you know of any plain English explanations, on wiki or off, that can help me understand "API search", "insource regex", and the parameters used in the url, in the context presented here? Thanks much for any pointers NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 16:40, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

H:INSOURCE, mw:Help:CirrusSearch#Insource, mw:API:Search, Regular expression, Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Regular expression. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:27, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

​If you just use Special:WhatLinksHere/Climate change you get both pages with links in the text and pages with template such as Template:Global warming (it contains a link to climate change). Since you're only interested in finding the articles that have links in the text and not from transcluded templates, you use "insource:" to only search the article's wikitext. Regex is a way to find patterns of text, so you can match [[Climate change]], [[Climate change|bla bla]], [[Climate change#Section 1|bla bla]] at the same time. The API search is a way to access search results from outside of Wikipedia (used to access them programmatically), but you don't need that since WP:AWB has a search function (WP:JWB does not). – Thjarkur (talk) 17:34, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Help with my article

Hello. I got my article published. Thank you very much for that! I have got two questions for you. 1( I have been notified with a message with inappropriate external links. I went through my article again, and couldn't find anything inappropriate about the links. I have attached the links for the publications, so people who are interested in reading, those can access it easily. Every website is a valid one. How can I get the message removed? 2) I am trying to add information to the info box on my article about Karaikudi S. Subramanian, but it won't display when I publish the changes. Can you please help me?Mathuriga1 (talk) 17:23, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

For the external links, it looks like you tried to include an external link within the body of your article. That's against our external links guideline which says that external links should only be placed in their own section at the end of an article, so another editor removed it. Links in the main part of an article should only be "wikilinks", internal links to other Wikipedia articles.

For the infobox, I can't tell which info you're adding that won't display, but each infobox only supports certain parameters. If you click on this link to {{infobox musician}} you'll see a documentation page that shows what information you can add. If you want to add something to the box that the template doesn't support, it won't work. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:35, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

printing Wikipedia pages for a genealogical project

As a member of the Order of Sons of Italy, I would like to be able to print pages from Wikipedia for a genealogical project displaying individual family member's home towns in Italy. Each time I try to print a particular page, I get an error message that something is wrong with the program and that it wants to shut down. Can we print your pages and if so, how?

≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈≈ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.235.113.16 (talk) 18:21, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, any page can (should be able to) be printed, using the "printable version" link in the left menu. If that is causing problems in your browser, you can try "download as PDF" instead and then try to print the downloaded file using a PDF reader. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 18:26, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

You are welcome to print out and display pages from Wikipedia, though you ought to make it clear to your readers that they are from Wikipedia. I don't know why you have been unable to do so – Ivanvector has given some good advice. Maproom (talk) 18:33, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

It's not just that "you ought to" attribute the pages: Wikipedia is copyrighted, and copying is permitted only if you adhered to the terms of our copyright CC-BY-SA license. That license permits you to copy the material and use it for any purpose whatsoever, but only if you attribute it. (Attribution is really easy: just add a link to the page.) -Arch dude (talk) 19:19, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

False Positive

Hi,

  I recently up dated our site with a considerable amount of material. I then pressed publish, on returning to the site all my additions had been removed. It appears that I logged in on the wrong name and password. As this was hours of work from several sources, I don't have a copy. Is there any way I can recover the material and re-post it?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by JCgarngad (talk • contribs) 19:40, 4 October 2019 (UTC) 

@JCgarngad: Which Wikipedia article is this for? RudolfRed (talk) 19:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, JCgarngad. Given that you have asked this here, I am guessing that by "our site", you mean a Wikipedia article about something associated with you. Please understand that that is not your article: it is Wikipedia's article, and its contents are determined not by you, but by a consensus of Wikipedia editors, in accordance with Wikipedia's policies. We can't tell without knowing which article, but it is likely that your edit was reverted by another editor because they felt it was not concordant with Wikipedia's policies. (My guess would be that the material you added was either unsourced, or promotional, or both.

If my guess is right, you can recover the material you added by going to the article, picking "history", and looking at the particular revision that you created. The history should also tell you which editor reverted your edit, and what edit summary they gave. WP:COI will tell you how you can request changes to the article.

As for "wrong name and password": you should only ever log in to Wikipedia using your own personal account (you can use any username that is in according with WP:USERNAME). Shared accounts are forbidden, and you should not normally use multiple accounts (though there are certain specific circumstances where this is permitted). But there is no association between an article and an account: in general any account can edit any article. --ColinFine (talk) 20:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Please read the following policies and guidance notes: WP:OWN, WP:COI, and WP:PAID. --ColinFine (talk) 20:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@ColinFine and RudolfRed: I failed to find anything in this accounts history. He has only this edit, and not deleted ones (according to xtools). I've checked the edit filter and spam blacklist logs, there are no hits. The only thing I cant check is Special:Log/titleblacklist because that is admin-only. Maybe he was no logged in?. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:02, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Possibly, Victor Schmidt. I took the comment about logging in with the wrong name and password as an indication that this user has been editing from a different account - hence my remarks about sharing accounts. --ColinFine (talk) 16:41, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Fascism

Definition of fascism is innaccurate. Racism is not "far-right" it is far-left. This kills the credibility of the entire site — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickydafish80 (talk • contribs) 22:13, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Nickydafish80: I think this is under discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#WP:PROTECT_and_Fascism RudolfRed (talk) 22:44, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@Nickydafish80: It has also been discussed to death at Talk:Fascism and by academia. If you read the discussions there, you'd see that the academic consensus is that it's far-right. Wikipedia follows the academic consensus, not ironic propaganda by modern far-right politicians to smear centrists. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:49, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

October 5

G5 REFUND

According to WP:REFUND, G5 deletions should not be requested there, and a DRV to restore a large number of related G5 deletions was recently closed as endorse. However, this is contradicted by WP:CSDRFU which specifies that G5 deletions will be restored upon request if they are requested by an uninvolved (i.e. not banned) editor. Which is correct? I seem to recall G5 allowing uninvolved editors to request restoration at one point as long as they took responsibility for the content, but that language is no longer there. Can we please get clarification on this and fix whichever page is incorrect? Smartyllama (talk) 01:27, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

I want to say "Thank you"!

Early today I requested help ("Need Help Uploading Photos") uploading photos to the page of Allen B. Wilson, sewing machine inventor. Arch Dude and Grabergs Graa Sang kindly replied. Now I don't know how to communicate with them on my post, so I will thank them here. Signed, Totally Clueless NsnskzNsnskz (talk) 02:12, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Nsnskz. I'm glad you were helped. To add to an existing topic here, (if it's still here and hasn't been archived) it's best to go to that section and edit it, rather than add a new section. To notify particular users, there are various methods (see PING): I use the {{u}} template, so I write {{U|Arch dude}} to get Arch dude, and similarly Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Once I sign my reply and publish it, those two users will get notified of this section. --ColinFine (talk) 10:15, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Family of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge

After reference number 131, there is a space which is too big - just before the next paragraph begins. Please fix as I cannot. Thanks 175.33.248.139 (talk) 03:33, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

After your last edit you had a 4th level section title "====VAD nurse====" in an area that had other 3rd level section titles, e.g. "===Beechwood and Newton Park Estates===". Your title occupied some vertical space.

Later, someone removed your title, possibly because of the 3rd/4th level mismatch? They replaced it with a blank line. Now there were two blank lines between the paragraphs. Thus the extra vertical space.

Removing the extra blank line fixed the spacing problem you mentioned. Looks good? Shenme (talk) 03:54, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

I want to help the world on all types of environmental science and technology including spiritualism.. Want to know any rules restrict etc

Respected Management ....thankful to u all for granting opportunity to being here with ur great Wikipedia.... I just want to know restrict limits for publication of Articles etc Regars... Muhammad Islam Anjum Thaheem Adv chairman international liasion committee LHCBA 2019-20...^{[number redacted]} — Preceding unsigned comment added by M I Anjum Thaheem chairman international liasion committee LHCBA for Environmental (talk • contribs) 03:28, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@M I Anjum Thaheem chairman international liasion committee LHCBA for Environmental: All Wikipedia does is cite, summarize, and paraphrase professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources, without addition, nor commentary.

We are not a platform for sharing one's beliefs (no matter how sincerely held or noble) -- see WP:NOTPROMO and WP:NOR.

Also, it's highly recommended that you do not post personal contact information such as phone numbers or email addresses. Ian.thomson (talk) 05:10, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Extended confirmed protection, but not?

Article Expulsions and exoduses of Jews throws up a large warning on the edit page mentioning the 500/30 restrictions for extended confirmed protection aka WP:ECP. The talk page similarly mentions the restrictions and arbitration remedies due to presence of {{ArbCom Arab-Israeli enforcement}}. However, peeking at the page's history shows it is editable by even zero edit IPs.

I did not page through more than a few of the ~1400 actually protected pages seen at Special:ProtectedPages. But somehow I have to think this page is not mentioned in the list. The template was added in 2014 before the ECP became useful for these pages. And so I'm left wondering whether the actual protection was imposed on this page later in 2016.

Questions:

• does an active ECP actually prevent the IP edits I'm seeing?
• if ECP is not active, where does the nasty warning on article edit come from?
• is there any coordination between use of {{ArbCom Arab-Israeli enforcement}} and active imposition of ECP?
• how many pages are announced in edit/talk as 'protected', but are not actually so protected?

• oh, and where *should* I be asking these questions? :) Shenme (talk) 03:37, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@Shenme: This criteria was set by the Arbitration Committee because this is a long dispute involving Edit-Warring Personal attacks and other violations of Wikipedia policy. Since there are a lot of pages in this dispute, they aren't all protected. If a non-extendedconfirmed user edits these, they are usually notified that there are arbcom restrictions on that page, and they are asked to self-revert (I don't know if they are also asked if they yust corrected a typo). These warnings are loaded via Template:Editnotice, see there for an explanation. If some of these pages actually requires protection, it will almost certain be ECP for a longer period or full in case of edit-warring. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:20, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

There are a total of 299 pages with this editnotice but which aren't under protection. I mentioned this at Template talk:ArbCom Arab-Israeli editnotice and arbcom clerk Kevin/L235 has provided a detailed response. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:40, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Untitled

12 years ago — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gani Ismail Gashi 100 (talk • contribs) 11:48, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@Gani Ismail Gashi 100: Hello, do you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia or is your comment somehow related to the post above? If it is a 'test' please don't do that. Thank you. Eagleash (talk) 13:37, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

E789999

I saw that user:E789999 created another account citing the reason "So if my other account gets banned from editing." I am not sure if or where I should report this. CLCStudent (talk) 14:26, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@CLCStudent: I would notify him about WP:SOCKLEGIT and say that, "[s]anctions apply to individual editors as people, not to accounts. Using a second account to edit in violation of an active block or community sanction will result in further sanctions, which may include removal of your contributions. See also WP:EVASION." (From WP:BADSOCK). If he edits from that account, and hasn't disclosed it, or while he is blocked, simply use Twinkles "ARV"-Tab and report for socking. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:56, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

JerzyA (talk) 14:57, 5 October 2019 (UTC) my issue is not urgent for me personally, but I would describe it as a project security issue.

it concerns security, and perhaps a special categorie of false flag edits. --JerzyA (talk) 14:57, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

How Do I Edit an Info Box?

Sektzia Nes Tziona F.C. says "Israeli Premier League" for current league and 2018-2019 league. In 2018-2019, they were in Liga Leumit and earned promotion to the Israeli Premier League. EvanJ35 (talk) 19:52, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

@EvanJ35: Infoboxes sometimes pull data from other pages. In this case it was from Template:Israeli football updater which has no documentation. I looked at the template code and fixed the data.[2] PrimeHunter (talk) 20:52, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Old maps - unsure if I can use them in articles

Hello,

would someone better versed in Copyright issues etc. be able to tell me if either of the two maps on these pages are ok to use on Wikipedia?

• https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/TERRITOIRE-DU-NIGER-French-West-Africa-Afrique-Occidentale-Francaise-1929-map-/273572034992

• http://pedagogie.lyceesaviodouala.org/histoire-geographie/app_grande-guerre/pages/page_2b.htm

Sdrawkcab (talk) 21:21, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Sdrawkcab, I don't think so. You need to ask in commons. These maps are subject to European copyright policies. They are still not in public domain because it has not been 100 years since the author death.--SharabSalam (talk) 01:20, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

The author of the first map died >70 calendar years ago, so it is no longer under French proprietary laws, should be okay to upload to Commons. I can't find the source of the second one. – Thjarkur (talk) 02:42, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

thanks guys for the help!

Sdrawkcab (talk) 14:16, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

October 6

How to find redirects of a specific article

Hi, I want to find all the redirects of a specific article. Is there a way to do that ? Thanks in advance.--SharabSalam (talk) 00:58, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

​Click "What links here" on the left sidebar of an article, then "Show redirects only" – Thjarkur (talk) 02:32, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks!!!--SharabSalam (talk) 02:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Promoting a draft article

I'm not an official reviewer, but having created a number of articles and edited many others now, am fairly confident of the quality required for an initial add of an article. I happened upon someone else's draft article, at Draft: Julian Maroun, when I was editing another article which included a reference to this actor, so was going to create a short article myself. The original author created it in July and it is marked "Review waiting". I did leave a note on the talk page, but no response as yet and I was wondering what the procedure or etiquette is, if I just create the article into the mainspace (then add categories and projects)? The editor does not appear to have been active before or since this article, and I've done quite a bit of work on it eliminating uncited info, improving citations, etc. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 11:18, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

​You are free to move good drafts to mainspace, the AfC process is not mandatory. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:05, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt response, Þjarkur. I'll do it tomorrow when back at my computer. Am I correct in assumimg that I should just delete all of the content below the actual article body, and the draft will drop off the list of articles awaiting review? Laterthanyouthink (talk) 12:16, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, {{AFC submission}} is the template that lists it in the review queue. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:26, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Uploading content

How can I Upload content on Wikipedia — Preceding unsigned comment added by Usman Fazlani (talk • contribs) 13:34, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

​To create a new article, go to Articles for creation. To upload images that you own the copyright to (or that are without copyright), use the Commons upload wizard. – Thjarkur (talk) 13:38, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Deletions

I'm curious to know why some of my articles are being deleted and I'm not informed as to why or when this happens. Shouldn't I, at the very least, get a message that the article is being deleted and a hint as to why so that I can address any problems. When I first started submitting articles, I was contacted on the first deletion, but nothing since. This seems like a counter productive policy, to just delete anonymously and lose an article that might just need a small alteration. I also don't understand how I can submit an article with a perfectly good reference or two and it gets deleted, yet I've visited similar articles that don't even include a reference at all. I've had dozens of articles accepted, yet very similar ones are deleted. It's got me feeling like I should just spend my time doing something else. Thanks to anyone who can clear this up for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HowlinMadMan (talk • contribs) 14:11, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

​Which article are you referring to? I only see two pages you've started that were deleted, File:T. G. Sheppard - Biggest Hits Cover.jpg and File:Album Jaci Velasquez On My Knees.jpg, both of which you got a notice for. – Thjarkur (talk) 14:52, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Please post a link to pages you refer to. You gave no example and your account has no edits to deleted pages except files. Maybe you mean pages which were turned into redirects and still have the former content in the page history. Your contributions contain some examples which were probably redirected to the artist due to Wikipedia:Notability (music)#Recordings. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:00, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

I would also note that usually more than one or two references is needed to establish notability, and other similar articles existing does not automatically mean yours can exist too, see other stuff exists. 331dot (talk) 16:11, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Contribs & tag filter

I was trying to find all the reverts I had done from my own contributions over a period using the "search for contributions" menu. However, none of the tags I tried in the filter, "undo", "Undo" or "revert" produce any results. What am I doing wrong? -- Kautilya3 (talk) 16:27, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

​The tag is named "mw-undo", so here are all your reverts. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:00, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much! -- Kautilya3 (talk) 17:06, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Printing pages from wikipedia

Is printing of Wikipedia pages allowed. If so, how do you do this. I previously asked this question and never saw a reply. whenever I have tried to print, the screen indicated a computer problem and would want to close the program. 73.235.113.16 (talk) 18:51, 6 October 2019 (UTC)Joe

You received an answer to your question above. 331dot (talk) 18:57, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

October 7

Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi

Is the Italian date in this article in reference number 7 all wrong? - it is in red. Please fix. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 00:19, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello @Srbernadette:, I have fixed both references: Please use English-language month names in date parameters. And date ranges need an endash instead of a hyphen as separator. GermanJoe (talk) 00:29, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

HTML attributes for combining two colours within a single table cell

Hi there. I am editing an article that documents the rolling stock (trains) of Singapore's rapid transit system. There are two lines on the system that share the same infrastructure, down to the rolling stock, tracks, depots, and signalling systems - so to avoid duplication and excessively lengthening the table, I would like to merge these two:

Line	Generation	Stock	Supplier
style="background-color:#Template:SMRT color" rowspan="7" | North South Line	1st	C151	Kawasaki Heavy Industries
2nd	C651	Siemens
3rd	C751B	Kawasaki Heavy Industries & Nippon Sharyo
4th	C151A	Kawasaki Heavy Industries & CRRC Qingdao Sifang
5th	C151B
6th	C151C
7th	CR151	Bombardier

Line	Generation	Stock	Supplier
style="background-color:#Template:SMRT color" rowspan="7" | East West Line	1st	C151	Kawasaki Heavy Industries
2nd	C651	Siemens
3rd	C751B	Kawasaki Heavy Industries & Nippon Sharyo
4th	C151A	Kawasaki Heavy Industries & CRRC Qingdao Sifang
5th	C151B
6th	C151C
7th	CR151	Bombardier

I am having trouble figuring out the HTML attributes that I will need to combine the North South and East West Lines within the same cell, so that the red and green colours in the cell will be evenly split at around the 3rd and 4th generation of trains. For now, this is the best that I can do:

Line	Generation	Stock	Supplier
North South Line East West Line	1st	C151	Kawasaki Heavy Industries
	2nd	C651	Siemens
	3rd	C751B	Kawasaki Heavy Industries & Nippon Sharyo
	4th	C151A	Kawasaki Heavy Industries & CRRC Qingdao Sifang
	5th	C151B
	6th	C151C
	7th	CR151	Bombardier

I'd appreciate some help with figuring the attributes out. Thanks a bunch. Cheers, Tiger7253 (talk) 02:06, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Interlanguage links problem

I'm having trouble with some interlanguage links and I'm hoping someone can advise me. I tried to link Jean-Claude Romand to fr:Affaire Romand via Wikidata, but I got an error message saying that "Site link frwiki:Affaire Romand is already used by item Q64392219". This eventuality is covered by Help:Interlanguage links#Adding a new link but I do not really understand the advice it gives on resolving the conflict by merging or deleting. Item Q64392219 looks like some kind of template to me and I am not sure whether it should be merged, deleted or something else.

I also tried going the other way by linking fr:Affaire Romand to Jean-Claude Romand, but that didn't work either (error message "attempted modification of the item failed"), presumably for the same reason.

I would be grateful if someone could assist me to link these two articles. Thank you, --Viennese Waltz 07:12, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

fr:Jean-Claude Romand was moved to fr:Affaire Romand ("Romand case") in 2017.[3]. In May 2019 Nomen ad hoc removed the French article from the Wikidata item for the man.[4] I'm not sure whether Wikidata allows the articles to be in the same item when one is formally about a crime case and the other a biography of the criminal. The article content is similar and there is no language with separate articles about the criminal and the crime so it seems logical to me to merge them. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:34, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Incomplete and wrong feature

To be fair and unbiased, you put the wrong artist on the " in the shadows". It should be KING DIAMOND, for his album released in the early '90s. Long before the progressive Finnish band ever learned an instrument, or possibly born. Please correct. You must give credit where due — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C0:6B00:BFE0:35BF:AD47:6675:DEFE (talk) 07:51, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

It's not clear to me which article(s) you are referring to. As is usual when two or more articles are about similarly named topics, In the Shadows is what we call a "disambiguation page". That page lists both the album by King Diamond's group Mercyful Fate and a song of the same name by a Finnish band. Please could you explain your concerns more specifically. Thank you, --Viennese Waltz 08:03, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Will There Ever Be A Dark Mode Available ?

Hi, I was wondering if a 'dark mode' option might ever become available, at least for me I find the dark mode that I'm used to using on other site's is much easier on my eye's. Thanks, David W. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Davy49 (talk • contribs) 09:39, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

HOW I CAN PROVIDE RELIABLE SOURCE

HOOW I CAN PROVIDE RELIABLE SOURCE TO WIKIPEDIA FOR EDITING