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Seeking volunteer to respond to Free Comic Book Day GA review

I completed a thorough GA review for Free Comic Book Day on 11 May but the nominator hasn't made a registered edit since 6 May, and I was hoping someone here might be willing to take up the nominator's role in the review process. I believe that the article can meet the GA criteria and have made specific suggestions on the nomination page. If you do decide to take up this task, please leave a note here to inform others. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:46, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I looked it over, and you went above and beyond in your comments. I agree it could meet GA, but I'm not able to commit to the project at this time. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:26, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for your comment. I've failed the GA review, will make the changes myself, and will probably renominate it at some point in the future. – Reidgreg (talk) 14:01, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

A section to keep an eye on

In light of the protests in the US: Punisher#‎In politics and popular culture. 2601:240:102:EC27:4AF1:7FFF:FEE5:C031 (talk) 23:45, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

MCU characters name change

There is discussion on whether the new article Characters of the Marvel Cinematic Universe should be name changed. Feel free to discuss on talk page. Jhenderson ⁷⁷⁷ 17:29, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Red Skull publication history

Just asking here, because new user User:Rickyar rewrote the publication history section and I think it would be good to get comments from other editors on whether this was an improvement to the article. The user has been warned for edit-warring, so hopefully discussing here will be more productive. 8.37.179.254 (talk) 18:14, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

I copy edited some. The section's not long enough for "age" subheaders, which are a poor way to organize the information anyway. The whole thing should be re-written from scratch. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:05, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

I've authored many articles so I disagree with the characterization that I am "new." Also, I'm the one who requested help from someone continually reverting, and I get warned by this editor. Argento, that's how comic history is categorized. Golden age to modern. These subheaders are on all comic villains and heroes in wikipedia. Rickyar (talk) 20:37, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

That's how some articles are organized, but not all. And quite frankly, it's a terrible system. Golden and Silver are the only ones that have years associated with their beginnings, but their endings are disputed. Ditto for any age after that, where there's no consensus about what the era should be called, let alone when it starts or ends. Ego the Living Planet has a publication history broken down by decade, which is clearly defined and easily understood by people who don't know anything about Showcase #4.

Also, it's easy to mistake you for a newbie. You created your account in 2014, but only made one edit until today. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:51, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

Dead fictional characters are still fictional characters

New user User:HyprMarc has been changing the lead sentence of characters who died in MCU films to say that So-and-so "was" a fictional character. Am I mistaken, or does the death of a character (in just one medium, not all media) mean that a character is no longer fictional? Even if a character's death in a film somehow makes that character non-fictional, if the character is alive in another medium (comics, television, etc), should we want to declare that character dead in all media? I will revert all of these edits, but this may be worth discussing. 2601:249:8B80:4050:D4DF:BB92:DF00:334C (talk) 12:34, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

There's long standing consensus to discuss fictional elements in the present tense. Point Marc to WP:FICTENSE. Argento Surfer (talk) 12:50, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

User:HyprMarc continues to make this change to articles, and has not replied to any attempt at discussion. User:TriiipleThreat and User:CarciaNullius reverted some of their edits, so I am going to go back and see if any others need to be undone. 2601:249:8B80:4050:6CB1:1540:EE61:E251 (talk) 12:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Dan Danglo

I created Dan Danglo from the RD list. It was just tagged for notability. Feel free to expand it if you have access to more RS. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 14:09, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Superhero vs. character?

I contend that Brother Voodoo has only recently been portrayed as a more traditional superhero, with his association with the Avengers and such. Previously, he could at best be argued as a very non-traditional superhero. In any case of ambiguity we typically use "character" in the lead sentence, rather than "superhero", although it was reverted by User:Jmgwilson as seen here: [1]. What is the general consensus to do in this case? 2601:249:8B80:4050:114A:BE09:1E2C:5ADB (talk) 12:52, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Per WP:PROTAGONIST, use "character". Argento Surfer (talk) 15:31, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Brother Voodoo has the same origin as Dr. Stange. A former Doctor who picked up the mystic arts. However, unlike the selfish Dr Stange brother Voodoo did it to help his own brother and stop an evil cult from taking over Haiti, his home. After stopping the cult he continued on as hero specifically to help protect the people of Haiti. His origin is the definition of a hero. This is all clearly stated in the article. If Swamp Thing who has been portrayed as an antihero on multiple occasions and gets the title superhero, so does Brother Voodoo. To do anything else is blatantly against a black character. User:Jmgwilson

There is one good point there among the edit-warring and baseless accusations of racism; Doctor Strange should probably be edited to say "character" as well (as should many other characters, I imagine). 98.32.192.121 (talk) 03:16, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

@Jmgwilson: Thanks for pointing out Doctor Strange and Swamp Thing for violating WP:PROTAGONIST. I have changed both articles to say "character" instead of "superhero". Please feel free to do this yourself when you encounter it on any other article about a white character. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:15, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Argento Surfer, it already is "character" for Wolverine (character), Quicksilver (comics), Cable (comics), Deadpool, Domino (comics), Moondragon, and a bunch of other Caucasians. 8.37.179.254 (talk) 13:41, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

I'm hesitant to remove it from Superman, as he's the literal archetype of "superhero". That's the only exception that comes to mind. Argento Surfer (talk) 13:43, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

So this term is to be stripped from all superheroes, every member of the X-Men, Avengers, Justice League? That makes no sense. Until the term superhero is stripped from all characters it will be applied to those that it fits.User:Jmgwilson

Yes, it should be removed from all of them per WP:PROTAGONIST. We call them a "character" and let readers decide how to label them. If you continue to "appl[y] to those that it fits" now that you've been told how and why it should be done, you'll be entering disruptive territory and risking a block. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:25, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

He's still edit-warring over this Argento Surfer, I don't want to keep reverting him. 98.32.192.121 (talk) 04:36, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

User:Izno gave him a warning for editwarring while I typed up an ANI report (see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Jmgwilson). Argento Surfer (talk) 12:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe film characters

Haven't variations of Category:Marvel Cinematic Universe film characters been deleted over and over again? 2601:240:10C:AB84:B4C2:8DE1:65FC:69F6 (talk) 00:34, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Good catch 2601, that's most likely a sock of either Musicbyac or CensoredScribe. --Izno (talk) 01:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Izno, also consider all the new categories created by now-blocked sock User:Dietic. 2601:240:10E:9C94:B4C2:8DE1:65FC:69F6 (talk) 02:28, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, I asked a question if you'd like to follow along. --Izno (talk) 02:30, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

IP user claiming multiple characters are demons

Some examples include Galactus ([[2]]), Big Barda ([[3]]) and Infinity-Man ([[4]]). Despite being advised that said characters are not demons, the user has reverted. I've advised them to take it to the relevant Talk Page for a discussion. I note that there is some duplication in the linked categories, but I think first order of business is stopping the insertion of blatantly incorrect information. The user might take my advice but I doubt it. They will probably press on (unless they concede defeat and disappear, but I don't wish to scare off a new user). Bears watching. Asgardian (talk) 18:39, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

• Further to this the same user has reverted again. I've posted a friendly warning. I can't revert again as it then becomes an edit war. If it happens again then an administrator may have to block the IPs for a time.

Regards Asgardian (talk) 13:50, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

• And now this: [[5]], It appears the user doesn't wish to listen. Asgardian (talk) 17:21, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Steve Rogers and time travel

There is currently a discussion regarding whether the category Category:Time travelers should be included on Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe). Editors are welcomed to join the discussion at Talk:Steve Rogers (Marvel Cinematic Universe)#Time travel category. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 20:16, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Category:Marvel Comics video game characters

Is the new Category:Marvel Comics video game characters appropriate? If we keep it, there may be many characters that need to be added to it. 2601:249:8B80:4050:4036:4D18:4D94:789C (talk) 23:38, 7 July 2020 (UTC)