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The photo

As an ordinary member of the public, the photo is terrible. Please change to a photo from when she was in her nineties or eighties (how she is currently remembered) or to the coronation photo (which is the best historical one). The one chosen is just not very good at all. 86.150.46.183 (talk) 18:01, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Personally I agree, but for some reason the mediocre 1958 image has a fan club.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:17, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The current photo is quite good in my humble opinion. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 15:06, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. This is a story about her whole life, and a mid-life image represents that better than one from an extreme of age or youth. We already had a lot of discussion on this, not very long ago, and the current image represents the consensus. Thparkth (talk) 18:09, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, it is a very bad photo. The argument that it is at mid point is senseless because that is not a point from mid point. Would make sense to choose a photo from the mid 60s or early 1970s. This is just a very poor random photo. Also, you do not choose photos for historical figures like that. Most pictures with other monarchs have a prominent historical photo. Others have photos as the person was when they died. Use the coronation photo when she was 27 or photo near the end of her life. That one is just utterly dreadful.--86.149.15.109 (talk) 12:14, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we did have a very extensive discussion about photo choice, and the current article reflects the consensus of that discussion. What confuses me though is why you describe it as "a very poor random photo", "utterly dreadful" and not "a prominent historical photo". Are we talking about the same picture? You do mean this one, right? It is an official portrait of the Queen in full regalia, from the time of her historical tour of Canada and the USA. It isn't some random polaroid snapshot. Thparkth (talk) 12:58, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is the photo currently in use taken in 1958 or 1959 (?
The photo in the article is from 1958
But the file information says the photo is from 1959
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Queen_Elizabeth_II_official_portrait_for_1959_tour_(retouched)_(cropped)_(3-to-4_aspect_ratio).jpg 2401:E180:88E0:2978:72F0:63D1:3F33:8140 (talk) 10:39, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is the queen in this picture taken as the queen of canada or as the queen of england
In which capacity is she taking the official photo 61.216.108.177 (talk) 05:56, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There hasn't been a King or Queen of England since 1707. I believe you likely meant United Kingdom. GoodDay (talk) 05:59, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just wanted to ask is this an official photo of the Queen as Queen of Canada? 2401:E180:88E1:5E08:AE9E:8B23:2873:E511 (talk) 18:19, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or is this an official photo of the Queen as Queen of United Kingdom? 61.216.108.177 (talk) 01:57, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Religion

Should we include her religion in the infobox? Consensus is to include it for her father George VI and her son Charles III. Векочел (talk) 19:11, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know why it's included in George VI & Charles III's infoboxes. Are they included in all the British monarch infoboxes & their predecessors, the English, Scottish, Irish & Welsh monarch infoboxes? GoodDay (talk) 19:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, but perhaps it should be included for all the English and British monarchs since Henry VIII. The monarch is the head of the Church of England, which seems like an important religious role. Векочел (talk) 20:48, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What about the Scottish, Irish & Welsh monarchs? GoodDay (talk) 20:54, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have any evidence that their religious beliefs were particularly significant, but it can be added for particular monarchs if it is significant for them. Векочел (talk) 04:21, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I checked over the bios of Henry VIII through Anne, then George I through Charles III. Nearly all the English & British monarch bios mention their religion. Some most say Protestant or Anglican, while one or two say Catholic. So, I've no objections to adding Elizabeth II's religion to her infobox. Besides, the religion in mentioned in both her immediate predecessors & successors' infoboxes. GoodDay (talk) 04:32, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Does anyone else find that "(list)" part of the infobox strange? It does not look visually appealing to me. What if List of sovereign states headed by Elizabeth II was linked to "other", like shown below:


Elizabeth II
Head of the Commonwealth
Formal photograph of Elizabeth facing right
Formal photograph, 1958
Queen of the United Kingdom
and other Commonwealth realms
Reign6 February 1952 – 8 September 2022
Coronation2 June 1953
PredecessorGeorge VI
SuccessorCharles III

Unlimitedlead (talk) 14:41, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, its small and out of the way. Doing so the way you propose would create a piped link which is unadvised. FishandChipper 🐟🍟 14:45, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Thanks for responding! Unlimitedlead (talk) 14:48, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Formal photograph time

Is the photo currently in use taken in 1958 or 1959 (? The photo in the article is from 1958 But the file information says the photo is from 1959 Is this an article error

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Queen_Elizabeth_II_official_portrait_for_1959_tour_(retouched)_(cropped)_(3-to-4_aspect_ratio).jpg 2401:E180:88E0:2978:72F0:63D1:3F33:8140 2401:E180:88E0:CB31:5BF0:4718:6BAA:9111 (talk) 19:20, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging @Peter Ormond, who indicated that the photograph was taken in 1958. Peter, can you clarify where you go this information? The source page for the image indicates the photo is from 1959, though I can understand if the date refers to the date of publication and not the date the photo was taken. However, we need some kind of source to back this date up since several editors have challenged this. Aoi (青い) (talk) 19:37, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think it probably was taken in 1958 (per similarity in setting, costume and style to another shoot that was definitely in 1958) but since our source says 1959, and WP:NOTTRUTH etc... we should say 1959. Thparkth (talk) 21:36, 22 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Can you provide photos similar to what you are talking about? 61.216.108.177 (talk) 05:51, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
See Talk:Elizabeth II/Archive 46#Infobox pic date. Peter Ormond 💬 11:11, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your guess may be right, but Wikipedia in other languages ​​is written in 1959 according to the file name, and the more detailed information of the file cannot be confirmed. 2401:E180:88E0:C1D:45A2:6ED5:8519:218A (talk) 04:20, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
According to your idea, do you need to adjust or supplement information 61.216.108.177 (talk) 03:21, 25 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Thparkth that absent a reliable source that expressly says the photo is from 1958 (and there doesn't appear to be any), we should stick with the 1959 date given in the source. Alternatively, we could amend the caption to say something like, "Official photograph taken for 1959 tour", but that might be too wordy for the infobox. Aoi (青い) (talk) 18:52, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 November 2022

There is a comma that is not needed.

Change: "During the Platinum Jubilee celebrations, Elizabeth was largely confined to balcony appearances, and missed the National Service of Thanksgiving."

To: "During the Platinum Jubilee celebrations, Elizabeth was largely confined to balcony appearances and missed the National Service of Thanksgiving." Ghost of Kiev (talk) 15:35, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any difference. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 15:39, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry. I have fixed it to make a difference. Ghost of Kiev (talk) 15:50, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah I see. THis makes more sense however the comma there may be some sort of british english thin. ― Blaze WolfTalkBlaze Wolf#6545 16:16, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Done The punctuation differences of British English seem to be mostly related to quotation marks from what I found here, so I made the change. But if any new info comes up, feel free to restore the old version. TimSmit (talk) 17:36, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress

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Cause of death

https://www.bolnews.com/royal-family/2022/11/real-cause-of-queen-elizabeths-death-exposed/ Queen had cancer! I am a Green Bee (talk) 12:30, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not really suitable. I saw this in the news over the weekend and it involves Gyles Brandreth who has a new book out, Elizabeth: An Intimate Portrait, in which he says that the Queen had multiple myeloma and this was the cause of her death. Closer examination shows that Brandreth relies on hearsay and cannot/will not give a direct source for this. So it isn't worth adding.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:06, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. This needs better sourcing before we can add something like that. And it still remains that the "official" cause of death is what's listed on her death certificate. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:55, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Heard about this, during the last few weeks of her life. GoodDay (talk) 18:59, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It seems that her cause of death was due to old age, per sources Washington Post, The New York Times, BBC. Adog (Talk・Cont) 04:31, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is, no one dies of old age. It is a polite fiction. There is always a specific cause. But until a reliable source provides details, "old age" is what we have to say. Thparkth (talk) 04:54, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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