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Roman Gujarati Numerals considered as numeral

Dear friends,

As such I started editing wikipedia (en, gu, hi) in 2009. But due to the scarcity of time, I took a long pause and recently, I started it again. So, in a way I am a new. A difficulty I am facing is the numeral used in template 586.7 kilometres (365 mi) that converts km to mile. But I want input and output to use ૧૨૩૪૫૬૭૮૯૦ this gujarati numerals. Dr. Dinesh Karia(Talk) (contribs) 17:04, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@dineshjk: that is very unlikely to be considered. most editors will not know what gujarati numerals are, and will be confused when they see them. ltbdl (talk) 17:07, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Ltbdl Note that en.wikipedia is not the only version. While en.wikipedia readers may not be familiar with these numerals, readers of other Wikimedia projects may be. Dr. Karia is active at several non-English Wikimedia sites, including Gujarati Wikitionary. Possibly, they came here to the en.wiki Teahouse because they felt their question would be seen by more people than on some obscure Gujarati Wikitionary talk page.
Unfortunately, I don't have the answer to Dr. Karia's question - I just wanted to point out that it is a relevant question that should not be dismissed. Pecopteris (talk) 17:35, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Ltbdl Thanks for seconding my idea. Yes I mean that for gu.wikipedia.org. Dr. Dinesh Karia(Talk) (contribs) 19:05, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@dineshjk, do you need the output in these specific numerals for use on the other wikiprojects you mentioned? The {{convert}} template is available in many projects, so the output (numerals) would adapt, I think. Or is my answer way off? Then I apologize! --Maresa63 Talk 18:46, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Maresa63 No Sir, your answer is very much on the line of my point. Thaks for your anser. Yes, I want the change in the local version of convert on gu.wikipedia.org. My question did not intend to ask for a change in the en.wikipedia at all. Since, I do not know how to make those changes, I asked the question her to bring it to the notice of more experts. Dr. Dinesh Karia(Talk) (contribs) 19:08, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dineshjk, that's a she/her you're calling sir. Valereee (talk) 20:59, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Valereee and @Maresa63 Extremely sorry for being gender specific and that to quite opposite to what she is. I beg pardon. Dr. Dinesh Karia(Talk) (contribs) 08:10, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No need to apologize! Maresa63 Talk 09:55, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's hard to see why this is relevant to English Wikipedia. Templates (such as {{convert}}) are local to a particular Wikipedia: altering the template in en-wiki will have no effect on a similar template in gu-wiki and vice versa.
If you seriously want to argue the case for a template in en-wiki generating Gujerati numerals, the place to argue it is the talk page of that template, eg Template talk:convert. ColinFine (talk) 18:52, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @ColinFine I am sorry for not being clear to you in my original question. Let me be clear that I asked this question here because I wanted to reach more expert with my question. I do not intend to propose any change in the template convert in en.wikipedia but I want to make changes in the corresponding local version on gu.wikipedia. Unaware of how to make change, I asked it here. I hope I am clear. Thanks for your time and bringing clarity to my question. Dr. Dinesh Karia(Talk) (contribs) 19:11, 10 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dineshjk: To request a change to gu-wiki, you'll have to ask there. You could start a talk page for gu:ઢાંચો:Convert, or ask at whatever their equivalent is for a Teahouse or Help desk. GoingBatty (talk) 02:34, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
OK Dr. Dinesh Karia(Talk) (contribs) 08:11, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Dinesh. Convert uses a module written in Lua, and Lua's tonumber() is likely limited to 0–9,A-Z. It appears Gujarati numerals use the same base-10 positional system as westernised hindu-arabic, so one good approach could be to create a separate template/module that replaces Gujarati digits with western ones, then feed the results of that into Convert. (Or vice-versa.) You could then also re-use the digit-replacer for other purposes.
Nesting ten #replace seems ugly but could work. Or the equivalent with Lua gsub(). Maybe WP:VPT could advise more, or a template-focused wikiproject? ⁓ Pelagicmessages ) 11:47, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Pelagic Thanks. Dr. Dinesh Karia(Talk) (contribs) 13:30, 12 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dineshjk: I just banged together a template here (template invocation here) that implements the suggestion made by @Pelagic above. The #replace function is not enabled on this wiki so the template uses Module:String (which is available at guWP) to achieve the same result. Shells-shells (talk) 09:46, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Dr. Dinesh Karia(Talk) (contribs) 07:05, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
you can use a translator website बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:26, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@बिनोद थारू Thanks for your answer. But the words "translator website" are not sufficient to describe what is in your mind. I think while typing your answer, if you would have thought you would have realized that the answer leads to nowhere. Dr. Dinesh Karia(Talk) (contribs) 07:00, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
examples of translator website are google translator which translate ૪૫ to 45, even on TELUGU setting बिनोद थारू (talk) 01:09, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@बिनोद थारू When I type {{convert|१... blah blah blah, it gives error. When I type {{convert|1 blah blah, it gives the output in English numerals and units are also written in English. Now could you tell me explicitly, how Google translator can help in this matter? Dr. Dinesh Karia(Talk) (contribs) 09:20, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
you go to google translator and type the number and then type result on wiki बिनोद थारू (talk) 22:19, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Best advise. I stop this conversation from my side instead of stretching. My name is real, and so is my knowledge. Dr. Dinesh Karia(Talk) (contribs) 08:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Really wouldn't recommend that. Machine translators like Google Translate are very flawed. Davest3r08 (talk) 18:55, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Saying hello to the community

Hi, just saying that I've been a user on Wikipedia for 19 or so years, but have only occasionally edited or added an article. I have never engaged with the community much, but recently I have intensified my Wikipedia work somewhat and thus wanted to introduce myself -- I'm Podstawko (Adam in real life), work in IT but have a wide variety of interests otherwise, actually I suffer from overfocusing on new interests and falling into various rabbit holes. I would love to contribute to Wikipedia much more than I have so far. My contributions are split between Polish and English wikipedias, so I'll be building my reputation 2x slower than an average English contributor :) Some tips on where most help is needed would be welcome, I guess Wikipedia:Backlog is one of the places to go, any other hints? In any case, hello and happy to be a part of the Wikipedia Community! Podstawko (talk) 09:32, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, back! Even though you've been around for 19 years, welcome to the English Wikipedia, Podstawko. As far as what to do, you could check the Task center, and I also encourage you to sign up with or visit the project pages for various WP:WikiProjects, which will give you some ideas of things that need doing. Finally, there's User:SuggestBot, which will suggest some articles that may be of interest to you, based on your past editing history. Good luck! Mathglot (talk) 09:47, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
When I first got stuck into editing, I checked out SPECIAL:HOMEPAGE which you can set up and it gives you suggested articles to improve on varying levels of difficulty. Qcne (talk) 10:05, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As you are multilingual, you might want to have a look at pages needing translation; I am sure we have some articles which have been translated from Polish, and need some sprucing up. Example: Paprzyca coat of arms. Cheers. Lectonar (talk) 11:03, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello Mathglot and Lectonar. Thank you for the tips; I have already bookmarked User:SuggestBot, Wikipedia:Task Center, Wikipedia:WikiProject and SPECIAL:HOMEPAGE, and based on Lectonar's advice I started looking into the translation needs and even suggested one of the new articles... for deletion! (Which is a first for me.) Exciting! Thank you again and I'm looking forward to contribute much more. Podstawko (talk) 13:20, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! Professor Penguino (talk) 18:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello! Podstawko (talk) 20:51, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rejected drafts

Drafts which got rejected more than six months ago due to notability issues, are now being improved by me. But I'm unable to give them for AfC submission since they've been rejected already. I was told to take the matter to the rejecting reviewer directly and I did, but the issue is that the respective reviewer is not active since months. What should I do now? I would appreciate some suggestions. Thanks, ManaliJain (talk) 16:47, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@ManaliJain: as no one has offered a better answer, here's what I would do. The 'rule', as you say, is to make your case directly to the rejecting reviewer, so I would still do that: post a message on their talk page, and give them a week or two (?) to respond. If they do, great. If they don't, then take it to the AfC help desk, and a) explain that you've tried approaching the last reviewer but haven't received a response, and b) present whatever evidence there is now to support notability, which wasn't there when the draft was rejected. Someone at the help desk will look into it, I'm sure. (But if you don't make those two points, you're likely to just get the standard "this draft has been rejected and won't therefore be considered further" response.) HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 18:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing: Alright, thank you! ManaliJain (talk) 13:47, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SO annoying.

Some guy requested that my account @RadskullC be "speedily deleted" because I've posted something that "doesn't follow up with Wikipedia's goals." It keeps on saying that, but it never actually tells me what these goals are. I thought Wikipedia was just supposed to be some sort of online information library. Also, to make matters worse, MY PASSWORD DOESN'T WORK ANYMORE, PLEASE HELP! 50.86.82.194 (talk) 17:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is no account on Wikipedia named RadskullC. – dudhhr talkcontribssheher 17:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Most likely they are talking about User:Radskull C.. The user page, not the account, was deleted. Kk.urban (talk) 17:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. Well, there goes several hours of my life I'll never get back. 50.86.82.194 (talk) 17:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note, you may be able to get a WP:REFUND (temporary undeleting) of that page so you can recover any content. Follow that link to learn more. Qcne (talk) 17:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
your page was advertising a hacker extension - we don't want promotional user pages at all. Secretlondon (talk) 20:54, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia user pages have a specific purpose which is explained here WP:USERPAGE. If you add content to your user page that do not align with Wikipedia's goals, the page will be deleted. It explains on that link what you may and may not have on your user page.
We can't help you if you've forgotten your password and if you didn't add an email address to the account so the password reset does not work. Feel free to make a new account.
I'd recommend reading WP:PILLARS. Qcne (talk) 17:46, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Radskull C., please note that it was your user page that was speedy deleted, not your account. User accounts cannot be deleted. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:02, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's fine. I actually misspelled my username when I made my account. 50.86.82.195 (talk) 12:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Number of admins and number of active admins over time

Is there a chart or data source showing the number of admins or number of active admins through the years at Wikipedia? Kk.urban (talk) 17:56, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Kk.urban, take a look at User:Widefox/editors and User:Amorymeltzer/s-index. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 17:59, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Helpful, although the first user seems a bit obsessed with Fram getting banned. Kk.urban (talk) 18:08, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Kk.urban, a number of admins quit during that kerfuffle, which makes that particular point a bit of an outlier. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:14, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's some stuff in Commons:Category:Admin statistics for English Wikipedia. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 18:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! This one seems to be the best: File:Yearly change in number of admins on the English Wikipedia.png Kk.urban (talk) 18:09, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Inaccuracy

Actually, both Wikipedia:Desysoppings by month and File:Yearly change in number of admins on the English Wikipedia.png seem to be inaccurate. According to Wikipedia:Desysoppings by month, there should be 1062 administrators, but according to Wikipedia:Administrators, there are only 885. Why is this wrong? Kk.urban (talk) 18:29, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Kk.urban, this is something you could bring up on the talk page (Wikipedia talk:Desysoppings by month). There are some similar past discussions. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 18:36, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Kk.urban The graph hasn't been updated in over a year and it ends at 2021, so it's not surprising that it's a little bit out of date. where are you seeing 1062? 163.1.15.238 (talk) 15:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
1062 comes from adding up all the additions and removals of administrators. Kk.urban (talk) 15:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Question about edits and other

Hello Wikipedians, I'm curious to ascertain whether it is permissible to omit a citation when implementing an edit. For example, if an individual modifies an article by appending a substantial amount of text, yet neglects to incorporate citation marks, is this an indication that an authoritative source is required?

Is the objective to validate the veracity of the newly added information when editing an article?

I am aware that this question may seem somewhat trivial for the Teahouse, but I would appreciate some clarification. I have observed numerous anonymous IP users, as well as registered contributors on Wikipedia, making modifications to articles, occasionally with the inclusion of citations and at other times without attributions. Is there a specific guideline or section within Wikipedia's rules?

And..does Wikipedia offer directives on how someone should proceed when encountering instances of unsourced or poorly sourced information?

Thanks, TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 19:20, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently this arises from a recent, relevant ANI case, where many experienced folks weighed in on these subjects. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 19:40, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@TheAlienMan2002: The verifiability policy states that inline citations are required for: all quotations, all material whose verifiability has been challenged, all material that is likely to be challenged, [and] all contentious matter about living and recently deceased persons, and that Any material lacking an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material may be removed and should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. However, this does not mean that all content with no inline citation must be removed - common sense should be used. In addition, you are expected (but are not required) to attempt to verify a statement yourself before removing it or tagging it with a {{citation needed}} marker. Tollens (talk) 19:48, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for elucidating Wikipedia's verifiability policy, particularly with regard to the necessity of inline citations for specific types of content. I find it intriguing that whole inline citations are mandated for certain categories of information, their absence in other instances does not necessarily precipitate immediate removal, provided that common sense is exercised.
Another thing, can you clarify what Wikipedia's stance is on what constitutes "common sense" in the absence of inline citations? Also, when the policy refers to "material that is likely to be challenged", what are the general criteria for determining this likelihood?
Futhermore, you mentioned that one is "expected but not required" to attempt to verify a statement before either removing it or affixing a "citation needed" marker. Could you elaborate on how this expectation aligns with the overall goals of Wikipedia in ensuring the integrity of information? And..are these guidelines or best practices that Wikipedia recommends for users who wish to challenge the veracity of an unsourced statement, beyond merely applying a "citation needed" tag? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 21:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps it would be easier to explain it in a different way: removing unsourced content should not be done simply because it is currently unsourced, but rather because you believe it would be impossible to provide a source (in most cases, this means you believe the material is false). There are no testable criteria for "likely to be challenged" besides that you believe that another editor is likely to think that the statement is unverifiable (again, typically this means false). I am not certain what you mean by your question about how requesting editors try to verify content themselves before deleting it impacts the integrity of information, or your question about whether "these" are guidelines - what exactly are you referring to? Tollens (talk) 21:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an article that talks about integrity about sources and editing? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 22:57, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm still not sure what you mean - could you explain in more detail what you're looking for? Tollens (talk) 23:04, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Mainly, I am asking if there's an article about the Integrity of editing and citing sources and if there was a policy on not citing your sources when you're adding small little edits. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 23:06, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The only policy on referencing requirements is WP:Verifiability, which I've linked to above already. I still don't know what you mean by integrity - if you're wondering about text-source integrity see WP:TSI. There is no policy about making articles "correct", if that's what you're wondering. Tollens (talk) 23:28, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Tollens I actually think the WP:TSI article was exactly what I was looking for. By the way, if you're saying "There is no policy about making articles "correct", then why do people choose to get their articles corrected if theres no policy about it? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:17, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Because they don't want articles to be inaccurate? This seems obvious to me - have I misunderstood your question? Tollens (talk) 00:22, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@TheAlienMan2002: There's also no policy that typos must be fixed, but there is a large group at WP:TYPO that does it anyway. Not every activity must be driven by policy. RudolfRed (talk) 00:55, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to jump in real quick. Every Wikipedia edit is not necessarily mandated by rules. There isn't a rule saying that double spaces should be corrected, but people do. Same as, technically, there is no rule saying that it is your DUTY to revert vandalism. But it is still expected of an editor to do so. See what I mean? Professor Penguino (talk) 01:14, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Professor Penguino So you're saying that people don't have to correct any grammar or revert any vandalism but they still do it anyway? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 12:38, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@TheAlienMan2002: I will answer that question by another question: why do you edit Wikipedia?
Your answer should be some variant of "because I want to make knowledge freely accessible on the internet". Well, achieving that goal requires that many various things be done - tracking down obscure factoids, summarizing complex technical topics, fixing typos, reverting vandals, and so on. A given editor does not have to do any of these, but there’s enough people with varied tastes that everything gets done, more or less.
Rules are only needed when editors come into conflict with each other. If you want version A and I want version B, we cannot both get our version. So the rules tell us when to prefer A, when to prefer B, when to make a compromise C, when to ask others, and so on. TigraanClick here for my talk page ("private" contact) 13:40, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is the expectation to, yes. If you become an editor, it is your job. But no one will hold you accountable for not. Commiting vandalism is different: that’s non-negotiably forbidden. Professor Penguino (talk) 18:36, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Macbeth Galler

Hello! I have gathered some good info on William Macbeth, founder of the Macbeth Gallery. He does not have an article for himself so I'm wondering how I should add the biographical info. I could create a section him on the gallery page as I don't think he requires a page for himself. Are there any precedents for situations like this? The information itself is relevant as it pertains to his death, gallery and the fact that he played harmonica on radio and for records. Thanks in advance! Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans (talk) 22:10, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans! When you say you "have some good info," what sort of sources are you talking about? If it's not public information, then it is original research, which we do not allow. If it is public, is it independent of Macbeth himself (e.g. a news article on him) or did it come from him (e.g. his website). If there's lots of independent info, perhaps a spinoff article could be justified. But it's a lot harder to create a new article than to expand an existing one, so you're probably better off at least starting with just a section at the gallery page. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 22:22, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have contemporary news articles and a discography by country music researcher Tony Russell. I am thinking that a new section would most appropriate. I'll add it and see if anyone objects but I don't believe any problems will arise. Thank you! Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans (talk) 22:33, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Clyde. Is the discography published? If not, you cannot use it. If it is published by the researcher, it may be useable as a self-published source. ColinFine (talk) 12:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter now. Turns out the recording artist was a different man than the William Macbeth of the New York art gallery. Thanks for the help. Also just to answer your question, the discography was published as Country Music Records : a discography, 1921-1942 by Oxford University Press. Clyde Jimpson of the Arkansas String Beans (talk) 15:03, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

graphic photo

war is hell, but think this photo is a bit too much for my 11 year old to view. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#/media/File:Kramatorsk_railway_bombing_2022_April_8_(1).jpg 130.76.24.16 (talk) 22:25, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there. Sorry to hear your 11-year-old saw a disturbing image. Whether or not to censor images like that has been a longstanding debate among Wikipedians. The current consensus is not to do so, for the reasons documented at WP:NOTCENSORED. Best, {{u|Sdkb}}talk 22:35, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
If you would like to disable images on specific pages or on Wikipedia as a whole, this is possible - please see Help:Options to hide an image for details. Tollens (talk) 22:41, 14 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Considering that this image is limited to the context and placement of specific subject matter, I would recommend that you prevent your child from looking up content pertaining to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, or installing a content filter on your personal internet browser. There is a lot of content on Wikipedia that, while graphic, is vital to illustrating the context and notability of the events it pertains to. Most of this is connected with subject matter that only adults would have any particular reason to be looking at, e.g. war or genocide. I don't think this image you've linked here is being spread by Wikipedia itself beyond the scope of the article it pertains to, so unless your child was specifically looking it up, or looking up the subject matter on Wikipedia in general, they shouldn't be finding it here. It's possible that a third-party source is spreading it elsewhere on the internet. There is a lot of graphic content floating around online, and Wikipedia can only control its own domain.
I can't speak to Wikipedia's stance on this because I'm new here, but personally I think it does a disservice to the victims of things like war to censor images from an unbiased article just because the content is grisly or unpleasant. Wikipedia is supposed to be an accurate, unbiased and detailed attempt at a free, accessible online encyclopedia of notable content. It is your job to keep your child from browsing violent content on the internet, not Wikipedia's. You are going to see graphic images of war and genocide in the context of history and politics, which also arises in university academia, investigative journalism and other content available on the internet. There are ways to block this, such as enabling SafeSearch on Google, so that your child won't see it. Demanding that a website censor a historically-important image just because it's gross to look at need not apply. TradingSpousesWelsch (talk) 16:22, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry that happened. I am one of those working on here who disagrees with the consensus that Wikipedia should not be censored. I have complained about graphic imagery in the past, but it never really goes anywhere because of WP:NOTCENSORED. (I deleted some bad advice I gave earlier. I think I'm a bit tired today. Forgot that that's really not possible nor a good use of time in Wikipedia). Professor Penguino (talk) 01:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
what? no. don't do that, 130.76.24.16. ltbdl (talk) 01:20, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Several requests to remove that exact image and other similar images from that article have previously been (appropriately) declined, a new one would be declined as well. It should be expected that the images in an article on a war may be graphic, because quite simply, war is graphic. Tollens (talk) 01:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

citing syndicated article with different title

If a news article has a paywall, I assume that it'd be preferable to cite a syndication where there's no paywall. (I'm unsure if it's even possible to archive a webpage that's behind a paywall.) However, the syndication has re-titled its original source. So what should the reference be? rootsmusic (talk) 02:38, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Rootsmusic: Neither of the links you provide appear to be paywalled for me at least (and I certainly haven't paid for anything) - you should be able to cite the original if it is accessible. You are correct, freely accessible sources are preferred, but only as long as they are of at least equal quality as a source that is behind a paywall. Tollens (talk) 02:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Tollens Did the original source finish loading? If yes, then a paywall should pop-up when you try to scroll. The syndication has the same body as the original source, except with a different title. rootsmusic (talk) 02:52, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, it's completely loaded, but I can scroll all the way to the bottom with no paywall. If that's different than on your computer, feel free to cite the other website, as I assume the original will be paywalled for more than just you, and there's no quality difference. Tollens (talk) 02:58, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
For what it's worth, I too am able to see the article on the Record-Eagle site with no paywall. Deor (talk) 10:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I went to the site and was able to view the complete article. I then opened a second article and hit the paywall. So, a reader may get one "free" article. Savagemutt (talk) 17:32, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, that must be it. Looks like the same happens for me. Tollens (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Rootsmusic that's the loophole I noticed years ago with most websites.
If you're limited to how many articles you can read before you have to subscribe and/or pay, I get around that paywall by archiving them so that I can read as many articles as I want without subscribing or paying for anything.
I recently found a website where I couldn't get around the paywall which is rare, as like I said you can get around it with most websites. It was a French site which someone else had added to an article I updated, so I doubt I'll be adding it anywhere in future anyway.
Wayback Machine is usually better for archiving, however there's certain websites which won't archive there most of the time, but will archive on Archive.today, which is why I archive every web page I want on both sites, just in case one of them fails. Archive Today is better for reading articles though.
I mainly archive Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Youtube, Vimeo, LinkedIn, Spotlight, Mandy, StarNow, Spotify, Apple Music, Soundcloud etc profiles, for people who have worked on visual productions (films, shorts, TV shows, music videos etc), which I then add to their IMDB profiles, which I then archive too. You used to be able to archive them all with no problem. However in the last year or two Instagram fails 99% of the time on both although on rare occasions it goes through on the Wayback Machine. Facebook profiles fail most of the time. Facebook pages however go through most of the time. Vimeo no longer archives images of any kind, whether it's the profile picture, or the video stills. Youtube sometimes has longish delays. LinkedIn fails 50% of the time. And since Twitter became X, I can no longer archive it on Archive Today. Danstarr69 (talk) 21:02, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Need help in finding notable and reliable references

Dear Members,

I am working on an article for "T2M URL Shortener" and submitted a draft which got rejected. Then I added more references and still got rejected. I believe I added enough references but it seems like not, which seems fair because I don't have many reliable references.

Can anyone please help me to find more reliable references for the "T2M URL Shortener" page.


Website: https://t2mio.com


Thanks Bsidhu.sait (talk) 03:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bsidhu.sait, there's a distinction between declining a draft and rejecting a draft. Your draft hasn't once been rejected; it was declined (twice). For most software, searching for reliable, substantive sources is a waste of time because such sources simply don't exist. And even if good sources for this software do exist, finding what you've been unable to find promises to be hard work. -- Hoary (talk) 03:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hoary Thanks for the details. So, what should I do next to get this page published? My own account also has the privilege to publish pages but I prefer to go through the review process (not sure if that's the right path). Bsidhu.sait (talk) 00:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Bsidhu.sait, you look for sources that are reliable and substantive. If you find them, you cite them, summarizing their content. If you don't find them, you give up your hope of publishing the article. -- Hoary (talk) 00:37, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bsidhu.sait: I followed the instructions at the top of your draft in the "Improving your odds of a speedy review" section and added {{WikiProject Websites}} to the talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 04:25, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@GoingBatty Sorry, I don't see any changes or additions made. Can you please describe what you did, thanks Bsidhu.sait (talk) 00:15, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Bsidhu.sait, GoingBatty did this. -- Hoary (talk) 00:37, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Hoary I added info regarding Product's parent corporation, let's see.
One more question, if I try to publish it in a Simple English version, is that something different? more chances there? Bsidhu.sait (talk) 01:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Bsidhu.sait: Publishing to the Simple Wikipedia may be a different process, but also requires multiple reliable published sources - see simple:Wikipedia:Notability. GoingBatty (talk) 01:39, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you.

my page was declined due to some reasons The content of this submission includes material that does not meet Wikipedia's minimum standard for inline citations. Please cite your sources using footnotes. For instructions on how to do this, please see Referencing for beginners. Thank you Digitalrohit3012 (talk) 05:44, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Digitalrohit3012. You need to provide properly formatted references to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to the topic of your draft. Your "References" section currently has numbers that do not lead anywhere. Please read Referencing for beginners and Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 05:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Your draft was subsequently Speedy deleted because it contained content that was copied from a copyright protected source and was considered promotional. This in addition to not having proper references. David notMD (talk) 09:34, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notability of criminal act in high school article

If a high school teacher was convicted of sexual abuse of a student, and this was covered in local news stories (but not national news), would this qualify for inclusion in the article about the school? I do not wish to give specifics at this time. 2601:644:907E:A450:DCFD:2B4A:724A:451E (talk) 06:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Most likely not. A criminal act by an institution's employee is not a justification to add that mention in an article about that institution; in addition, WP:N requirements may not be met depending on when that happened and how it was covered in press. Lastly, the article could harm the entire institution based on that single conviction only. Podstawko (talk) 06:15, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Such material is usually only included if it is reliably sourced, there has been a conviction, and the incident involved the school more directly than simply being an act by a teacher (e.g., at the school or a school event, between a teacher and a student of the school). Meters (talk) 06:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable source references of the school administration participating in a cover-up would raise the issue to reasonable to include. See Phillips Exeter Academy for example. David notMD (talk) 09:39, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
No-one can argue that a systemic problem like that isn't school related. No convictions mentioned, but then we're not naming the individuals accused either, so no BLP concerns. My simplistic comments above were tailored for what I thought the IP was asking about, a simpler "teacher X did Y" situation. And user:Podstawko's comment about notability is not correct. Notability determines whether we should have an article about an event itself, not whether the event can be included as content in an article about another subject. Meters (talk) 21:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notable people

Is there any policy surrounding "notable people" lists in articles on cities? Should the lists themselves be included or not? If so, what constitutes notable; as in what is the scope – just born in the city, actively contributed to its history?

My question stems from an edit to the page on Oruro to include a person born in the city but who is otherwise only notable for actions in a different country entirely. I initially removed the entry, but the original editor correctly pointed out that the figure themself is notable, even if the connection to the city they're from is minimal. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 08:03, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Does WP:LISTPEOPLE help? There are some exceptions, but in general any list of people in an article should consist of blue links. Shantavira|feed me 08:31, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Born in" is usually allowed to stand, even if notability occured when the person lived elsewhere. Another example is a notable person who lived in a community for a short period of time. This can be seen for professional athletes who move when traded to other teams, or no longer an active athlete. David notMD (talk) 09:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
In my experience, these lists usually lack clear inclusion criteria and reliable sources, and have a tendency to bloat over time. In my view, it would be better to cover this sort of content in prose, ideally using a small number of sources that explicitly discuss who's notable from a place, rather than with lists of everyone for whom there's a source saying they're from a place or lived there. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
They can also be "included"by adding a city category to the people. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:33, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Krisgabwoosh their birthplace should be a certainty for inclusion, no matter what.
The place where they are raised should also be a certainty imo.
The place where they live or have lived as adults is the only questionable one, as some people move around more than others.
There's a few people who have popped into my head...
  • An actor/writer/comedian - Born in Bradford. Raised all over the place, but mainly in Pocklington. University educated in Manchester. And has lived in Exeter for most of his life. Bradford, Pocklington and Exeter can legitimately claim he's from there in a list, although Manchester is only worthy of a "educated at this university" category addition imo.
  • A former child TV actress, who now is a stage actress - Born somewhere in Southern Asia where there was a war (I can't remember where). Moved to Bradford when she was 7, and was raised here. And has lived in London for all her adult life. All 3 places can include her in a list imo.
  • A film and theatre actor - Born in Bradford. Moved to Dublin when he was 5, and was raised there. Lived in the USA for the rest of his life. Again, all 3 can claim he's from there in a list. However he will always be English to me, whether he claimed to be Irish or not, as birthplaces are the most important factor of nationality to me.
  • A film and TV actress from my city - Born in Bradford. Raised in Bradford. Lives in Bradford. However she lived in around 5 different neighbourhoods (some of which think they're separate from the city) growing up, one of which she can barely remember. Plus the one time she mentions it, the journalist who wrote the article spelt the neighbourhood incorrectly, so apparently it can't be used as proof according to some Wikipedia admins, even though there isn't a neighbourhood with that incorrectly spelt name in the city. With her it's much simpler to just say she's from the city as a whole, as trying to narrow it down to 1 specific neighbourhood (like some people like to do), when she's lived in 5 different neighbourhoods, will just cause arguments.
Danstarr69 (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That seems to check out. I think I've come to the opinion that "notable people" lists do little that categories don't already, and contribute to bloat. In the absence of any standards prohibiting them, though, I guess I'll leave it at that.
P.S.: That last point about the neighborhood spelling gave me a chuckle. I love Wikipedia, but oh do we argue about nothing, ha, ha. Krisgabwoosh (talk) 01:01, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with IPA template

Whenever I try to open a page that links to the IPA template, the screen is completely blacked out, except for the search bar. I tried this on the Papeete article by going through the revision history and sure enough, I can read this version just fine but not the next one which added the template. I'm using Firefox if it helps. 2A04:2413:8000:A80:CC7:5E6:78F1:B89C (talk) 10:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be a technical problem with the IPA template after an update, many posts are being made about this across several help pages. 331dot (talk) 10:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No Stashed content found

When i'm trying to publish my draft, I'm getting an error - No stashed content found for 0/0a70c805-4e43-11ee-9153-4cd98faf5288 Dev2907 (talk) 12:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Dev2907: Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you referring to Draft:Vivacity (festival)? If so, I just declined the draft. The draft needs to be based on multiple independent published reliable sources, not on what the institute writes about its own event. See WP:NEVENT and WP:BACKWARD. GoingBatty (talk) 14:15, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dev2907 This error occurs when you are using visual editor and leave the edit window open for more than 24 hours - the error means that the server has discarded it's copy of your edit.
Copy the content of your edit, reopen the editor and try to save it again. 163.1.15.238 (talk) 14:32, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Can I please request for my profile user page history be deleted?

Can I have the history of my personal user page deleted, please? Thank you! DaClayCrew (talk) 12:21, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Next time, just add {{Db-user}} to your user page and an admin should delete it within minutes to hours. —Kusma (talk) 12:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Inquiry about making an article

Hello,

I want to make an article about a law school professor. I tried to make a draft. I think one of the main comments I received back was inline citation. Could someone help me make substance so I can add inline citations? Discerningfortruth (talk) 13:11, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Discerningfortruth: you can find general advice on referencing at WP:REFB, and more detailed advice on inline citations specifically at WP:ILC. Inline citations are a hard requirement in articles on living people (WP:BLP), especially in what comes to anything potentially contentious or any private personal and family details. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:17, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Revert war

I am a medical student and do not have the time for dispute resolution processes. I added this but an editor, Barbardo has been repeatedly removing it. I therefore request someone to go for a dispute resolution process and add it back in an acceptable way. Thanks! 60.243.252.254 (talk) 14:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Repeatedly? It was only done once with you? According to wikipedia ARDA is not reliable as it is based on estimations and that ARDA doesn't mention where it gets its source data on to make such estimations. The source I used was from 2022 report on religioys freedom done by the USA goverment which is more relible and was based on the national statistic data from mozambique which is more reliable then a ARDA estimate I already summarized this in my edit summary. Barbardo (talk) 14:56, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
IP address: The fact that you're a medical student is irrelevant. What you added was grammatically incorrect and unnecessary for the context of that paragraph. There is no edit warring going on. In fact see WP:BRD for the best practice for you to engage in: make a bold edit (you did), get reverted (this happens), then discuss it on the talk page (you haven't done so). Wikipedia is a collaborative project. If you "do not have time" to collaborate in even a minimal way, then perhaps Wikipedia isn't a place for you to participate and you should go back to your studies. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please show me how to publish a sandbox

Please show me how to publish a sandbox 92.40.204.68 (talk) 15:43, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

IP addresses don't have their own sandboxes. To publish a new article, you would go to WP:AFC and follow the instructions there. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:58, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Welcome to the Teahouse! You could use the shared Wikipedia:Sandbox or create your own account and then use Special:Mypage/sandbox. GoingBatty (talk) 16:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The shared sandbox is cleared regularly, so is unlikely to be a useful place to develop an article. ColinFine (talk) 23:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki admin

Good morning wiki world, i am looking to work with a seasoned wiki admin to assist in some work for my company’s wiki page would love to discuss further and can be reached at (redacted) 2600:1700:3C6C:4080:A4DE:AC95:CAB3:E868 (talk) 15:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators don't do that. You can go to WP:AFC for instructions about starting a draft and submitting it for review, and ask for help here on the Teahouse page. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:00, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
See also the essay at WP:BOSS. GoingBatty (talk) 16:02, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Teahouse hosts don't do that either. Hosts are here to advise on the workings of Wikipedia, but not to be co-authors or mentors. If an article already exists about the company your work for, then also read WP:PAID. David notMD (talk) 22:21, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, basically, you are unlikely to find anybody to do what you want. This is because, on the one hand, Wikipedia editors are volunteers* who work on what they choose, and on the other a Wikipedia article about your company does not belong to your company, is not controlled by your company, and as far as Wikipedia is concerned is not in any way for the benefit of your company (any benefit you may derive is incidental, as is any disadvantage).
If there is already an article on your company, then (once you have made the mandatory PAID declaration), you may suggest edits to it using the edit request wizard.
*There are people who will take your money to edit on your behalf. Many of them are scammers. The honest ones will tell you up front that they cannot guarantee that an article on your company will be accepted, or that it will say what you want it to say. ColinFine (talk) 23:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a website

What can i do for you to accept woodyard.eth.li as a website that laughably portrays "web3" on her wiki too? i believe this website incompases all that is ridiculous about the "innovation", and i bet Molly would agree too. 73.250.235.103 (talk) 16:39, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you could ask her directly, she's an active editor on Wikipedia. However, as far as I can tell, woodyard.eth.li has nothing to do with Molly White (writer) so it wouldn't be appropriate to add. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:18, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting audio files

I ise photoreq in article talkpages to request photos for entries and I was wondering if there was a way to request audio files? For example songs in the public domain on wax cylinders or other old recordings. Thanks. FloridaArmy (talk) 17:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Audio requested NotAGenious (talk) 17:23, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Brazilian artist article stuck at AFC...Please help!

Hi Teahouse!

I am the Wikipedian in Residence for the Pérez Art Museum Miami. I'm also a Brazilian art researcher and museum curator, active in the United States with Art+Feminism.

I was told that my draft article on artist Marcela Cantuária had to go through AFC, because she has exhibited at Pérez Art Museum, even though her article has very little to do with the museum.

So, I submitted it through AFC, and the article was rejected for lacking a few citations. I added them as requested, and I have had no response for many weeks.

I feel like I'm doing everything that has been asked but am completely stuck. Can you please help? Thank you! MichaelaBlanc 17:48, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have the time to review your sources, but please note that the AFC backlog is currently very high. Remain patient, a review may take several months. NotAGenious (talk) 17:51, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@NotAGenious: Unfortunately, it has been months, and a Wikipedian in Residence should not have to go through AFC in the first place, as explained at WP:CURATOR.
Would someone please take a look at the article? I believe it is ready to be moved live. Thank you again! MichaelaBlanc 18:04, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, MichaelaBlanc. I have moved your draft to main space. The artist clearly meets WP:ARTIST with work in the permanent collections of several notable museums. By the way, I visited the Miami area for the first time in 2019, and visited several fascinating art museums. The Pérez Art Museum was the best of the bunch. Cullen328 (talk) 18:08, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Cullen328: Thank you very much! I'm glad to hear you enjoyed your visit at PAMM. It is indeed a fascinating museum. Cheers! MichaelaBlanc 18:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@MichaelaBlanc "links to their resources" does not equate to creating an article, and your credentials do not make you any higher than the average editor. Industrial Insect (talk) 18:09, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Notability Question

i have created a article and several time it is rejects . need some assistance on this article need some guidence

i just submit and it is decline by some contributor and every time this happened. this time i with 5 min i got reply of decline Ashar50 (talk) 17:53, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Muhammad Ashar Asghar Ashar50 (talk) 17:50, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Ashar50 Hi; I am the Reviewer who declined it today and on the 07th. You have not properly sourced your article with in-line citations, as I have stated twice. Look at the bottom of the draft, you have [1] to [8] all in a row. These should be dispersed throughout the article so that in-line citation is next to the statement it verifies.
Please do not submit again without fixing this, you have been asked three times. Qcne (talk) 17:58, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ashar50, some of the references look very odd. One is actually attributed to "Dumb People". (Fascinated by this name, I clicked on the link and took a look. I saw no mention of "Dumb People" there.) Even if all of the content were excellently referenced, it would fail to demonstrate notability (that is, "notability" as defined by and for Wikipedia). I'm not saying that the subject isn't notable; but if he is notable then the draft fails to show this. -- Hoary (talk) 23:17, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Assistance needed with new draft page

Hi Teahouse!

Can someone kindly show me how to add references to the following draft page, please: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Naomi_Kimpenu

Thanks in advance :) Carmalabsinc (talk) 19:06, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See Help:Referencing for beginners, Wikipedia:Citing sources and Wikipedia:Citation templates. Esolo5002 (talk) 19:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Carmalabsinc Note that articles on living people must conform to the policy at WP:BLP, which means that all facts must be cited to an inline source, which much of your current draft does not currently do. The links given above will show you how to achieve this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:30, 15 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Moving to mainspace

Can someone move Draft:Siddharth Sukhlal kushwaha to mainspace. As a politician's biography, it fulfills WP:NPOL as he is elected to federal (state) assembly constituency in the Indian state of Madhya Pradesh. Also, article is ready to exist as stub on Wikipedia mainspace as he is a first time legislator and hardly anything is left to be added now. It will be expanded in future after new elections. Admantine123 (talk) 09:33, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Admantine123 The draft has been submitted using the WP:AfC process but if you are convinced it would pass the new pages patrol for the reasons you have stated here, you can just move it yourself. That would in fact help reduce the currently very large AfC backlog. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:16, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

'Possible vandalism' tag

Hello! I was cleaning up an article (Mehdi Yarrahi) and have noticed that my edit has a tag about possible vandalism. Just wanting to make sure I haven't done anything wrong, and if I have, just to have a bit of advice to stop me getting a similar tag in the future. Thanks! Benintrig (talk) 09:45, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Benintrig Your edit removed over 20,000 bytes which you said in your edit summary were "unsourced". As far as I can see, that isn't correct: the "Social Activities" section had several sources. Before making such a large removal, you would have been better to discuss why you thought this was warranted by adding a comment at Talk:Mehdi Yarrahi. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Benintrig Although I have no knowledge about the person, I reverted your massive deletion of more than half of the article and half of the references. Per Turnbull's comment, I agree that your intentions be first explained on the Talk page, and approached as a series of smaller edits. In addition to restoring what you had removed, I moved content to what I think is a more logical order. David notMD (talk) 12:35, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Improving a draft

Hi. Can someone casually give a look and (if possible) help me improve Draft:Watsonx? I guess it needs to be more specific/has more specific references to meet general notability. Its a product that is made by a notable company and is used by notable companies (ESPN, Wind Tre). I know the thing itself should be notable but can't use/invention by notable entities imply notability too? VectorVoyager (talk) 09:53, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, VectorVoyager, and welcome to the Teahouse! Unfortunately, it's unlikely that anyone will be able to locate sources any better than you can - with software the sources needed often simply don't exist. If you're able to find in-depth reliable sources covering the topic, go ahead and add them and resubmit the draft. Notability isn't inherited from the company that produces a product nor the companies that use the product; the only way to demonstrate notability in this case is to provide sources. Tollens (talk) 10:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

returns to Amazon

I have been sent two items the same, and iwish ti send ONE back , I cannot get them to send me a QR code and cannot contact anyone to help me.... 2A02:C7C:74ED:1600:DC53:28BE:BF99:646F (talk) 11:23, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This page is for Wikipedia-related questions only - we are not capable of helping you with your Amazon return. Tollens (talk) 11:26, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Personal attacks

Hello!

Recently, on an off-wiki channel, I saw two more-experienced editors call another editor a wanker for a difference of opinion. As far as I can tell the editor wasn't being disruptive about it either.

I don't agree with him like at all, and I don't necessarily disagree with the sentiment against his views, but like, policy is policy, and it's still against WP:NPA. QuickQuokka [⁠talkcontribs] 11:47, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If it occurred off-wiki then it isn't sanctionable on wiki. Lavalizard101 (talk) 12:16, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
[Edit conflict] See Wikipedia:No personal attacks#Off-wiki attacks. In my understanding, NPA regulates activities actually on Wikipedia, including the insertion of links to off-Wikipedia sites: thus the instance you report might be frowned upon, but is not really subject to Wikipedia sanctions, although it might colour deliberations about related on-Wikipedia activity.
Principles of free speech allow us all to have derogatory opinions about each other, and to discuss them in free fora – which Wikipedia is not, it is a privately-owned entity that can and necessarily does enforce its own behavioral rules within itself.
I have no knowledge of the disagreement involved, but the term "wanker" suggests to this Brit that the persons involved are also British. In British culture "wanker" is not a particularly serious insult, perhaps suggesting mildly foolish or antisocial behaviour stemming from thoughtlessness, non-conformity or contrarianism. It being off-Wiki, I don't myself think it likely merits any action (which would be what?) Others will doubtless differ, and will say so. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 51.194.81.165 (talk) 12:26, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is it normal for unsourced quotes to be part of a biography page?

Edward F. Harrington is a well-known federal judge. Recently, it looks like someone has been updating his Wiki biography with direct quotes attributed to Harrington himself—it says, "interview with the subject," but there's no link to where this was published, or who spoke with the judge. See here, especially the "personal reflections" section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_F._Harrington 2600:4040:52F1:ED00:D453:3200:9E2A:1E1B (talk) 13:48, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse! "Personal reflections" are not normal, and neither are unsourced quotes. Feel free to revert the additions and/or discuss on the article's talk page: Talk:Edward F. Harrington. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
IP editor, the core content policy Verifiability says that All quotations . . . must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports[b] the material.. Also, excessive use of quotations is also discouraged. See WP:QUOTEFARM. This content was added by User: Bosoxfan1234567, who edits only about Harrington. It has now been removed by another editor. Cullen328 (talk) 18:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I was just coming here to report that I'd removed the whole section. The article is very poorly sourced and needs further attention. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:01, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A file has a very obviously wrong date

This file File:Dr. Heidi Bockhold Adjusts Horse.jpg says it comes from 30 November 1899. I think it is almost certainly 1999 considering the woman in question is currently alive https://optionsforanimals.com/about-us/faculty-and-staff-directory/dr-heidi-bockhold-dc/ and started her career in the 90s. Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 13:53, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've emended the date in the Commons file. Deor (talk) 14:08, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
To confuse this situation a bit further, it seems that the camera used was first introduced in 2007, meaning the photo couldn’t have been taken earlier than that year. — Mugtheboss (talk) 16:29, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

is there software to auto-format wiki-references?

I see, that some editors are able to qucikly create cited references in a complex formate like [1] . I wonder, if they use software, which allows for such automativ formtating. Walter Tau (talk) 16:03, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ US 4304825, Basu; Samar, "Rechargeable battery", issued 8 December 1981, assigned to Bell Telephone Laboratories 
thank you very much for your reply. I suspected, that something like Citation tools existed, but I did not know, what they were called. I shall look the links you provided. Let's make wiki better together :) Walter Tau (talk) 16:14, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Walter Tau: I make heavy use of toolbars to input references using the DOI or URL. But for books I use a google books link, and I would have to manually add the page number. Then later I run citation bot to fix dates and fill some other identifiers. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:00, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Like @Graeme Bartlett, I have also found the toolbar to be sufficient for creating citations. — Mugtheboss (talk) 16:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your responses. I my real life outside wiki, I use EndNote to format references in documents. Unfortunately, Clarivate would not accept my request to make an EndNote reference style for wikipedia. However, if Wikipedia Foundation makes such a request (there is no fees involved), Clarivate would honor such request. How do I get Wiki to make such request?

Hello, Walter Tau. and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know if there is any way to do this, but the place to discuss it is at the village pump - not sure which section of it would be most appropriate. --ColinFine (talk) 17:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I have also found that ChatGPT can convert a reference in text form to a templated wikitext form. However I do not know how reliable it is at that job as I have only done it a few times. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:35, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Umm

I was looking at my local area, Birch hill. Now, birch hill is combined with hanworth but there is 2 hanworths. one in london and the one near me. idk how to fix tis so plz help IGotHacked12 (talk) 16:50, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed it by changing the wikilink to point to the correct Hanworth. I did it by changing [[Hanworth]] to [[Hanworth, Bracknell|Hanworth]]. See Wikipedia:Piped link and Wikipedia:Disambiguation. Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:26, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Getting a source

Can anyone share me direct link of profile of Sukhlal Kushwaha ,Member of Parliament from Satna Lok Sabha constituency for 11th Lok Sabha. From here [1] Admantine123 (talk) 18:45, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Admantine123. Wikipedia does not have profiles. Instead, it has encyclopedia articles, including Sukhlal Kushwaha. Is that what you mean by "direct link"? If not, please clarify. Cullen328 (talk) 19:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, actually i am using a mobile device and I am not finding the Bioprofile of this particular Member of Parliament due to technical issue. The website i linked above, contains the profile of all the Members of Indian Parliament from first election to latest. I want one for Sukhlal Kushwaha, who was elected to 11th Lok Sabha Admantine123 (talk) 19:06, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Admantine123, simply click on the blue link Sukhlal Kushwaha. Cullen328 (talk) 19:18, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am sorry but we cannot help you with technical issues you are encountering off-Wikipedia. Cullen328 (talk) 19:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Its ok, actually one guy can help me, but he is not active right now Admantine123 (talk) 19:21, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously? Admantine123 (talk) 19:20, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding my auto-conformed right

Hi, i am new here, my account is 5 days old and i have 40+ edits, but still i can't move a page or can not use my autoconformed user rights, kindly help.

Thanks Dcotos (talk) 19:04, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Dcotos. Your account will be four full days old in about 20 minutes. Cullen328 (talk) 19:16, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Cullen328 for your help. Dcotos (talk) 19:19, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm new here

I don't want to edit anything just discuss some things what do I do Notonmyphone (talk) 20:02, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you have a question about Wikipedia? What do you want to discuss? This is not really a discussion forum. Shantavira|feed me 20:17, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Notonmyphone: Hi there! The discussions at Wikipedia are largely focused on improving the Wikipedia articles or how to edit the articles. You're welcome to make suggestions on how to improve an article on its associated talk page, even if you're not interested in doing the edits yourself. Is this what you're looking for? GoingBatty (talk) 03:10, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

question about article

Hello,

The article trans genocide is protected so no one can edit it, and I’m curious why that is? I’m also afraid I don’t understand why the article exists, frankly. Are trans people being systematically murdered in an organized fashion? Abrolator (talk) 22:54, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Abrolator, and welcome to the Teahouse! The reason given in the most recent protection log entry is "Persistent vandalism". As for your your second question, I would suggest reading the article. Tollens (talk) 22:58, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I should also clarify - the current protection settings do not make it "so no one can edit it". Anyone with an account that is at least 4 days old and has made at least 10 edits can freely edit the article. Tollens (talk) 22:59, 16 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The vast majority of active Wikipedia editors can edit that article, Abrolator. Those who can't because their accounts are very new are free to make policy compliant edit requests at Talk: Transgender genocide after reading the article. Cullen328 (talk) 01:32, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I did read the article and I am able to confirm that nowhere in the article is it written that trans people are being systemicatically murdered in an organized fashion. Would it be accurate to conclude, based on there being no statement in the article that trans people are being systematically murdered in an organized fashion, that trans people are not being systematically murdered in an organized fashion? The article certainly presents no evidence by reliable sources that trans people are being systematically murdered in an organized fashion. Abrolator (talk) 03:04, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear @Abrolator:
I believe one's conclusion after reading an article is solely up to themselves and their conscience. Wikipedia is not an authoritative source of information.
If you consider to change this article to any extent, you are welcome to propose your changes at the talk page of the article, as @Cullen328 suggested. Cheers, -- TheLonelyPather (talk) 03:36, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Now that Abrolator has, following Cullen328's excellent suggestion, brought up his objection on the talk page, there's no point continuing this thread here. -- Hoary (talk) 05:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Abrolator, I would suggest that you refrain from making posts that repeat the same identical phrase four times. I perceive that as talking down to people. That degree of repetition is not persuasive but instead is somewhat irritating. Cullen328 (talk) 06:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

can i have editors to help me edit my article?

i need to post a article and i need help Brisbanewiki (talk) 06:52, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Brisbanewiki, welcome to the Teahouse, and take a look at Help:Introduction which should give you all necessary pointers to post your own new article. Podstawko (talk) 06:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
WP:YFA is also helpful. I saw that you have declared a conflict of interest on your User page for an article that does not yet exist. Is this the topic you intend to write about? Be aware that general advice is to gain experience by improving existing articles before attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 12:13, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, this is true. Brisbanewiki (talk) 14:25, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

Hi, Kindly have a look and tell me what is wrong with the infobox of Muhammad Rafiuddin? Thanks. Persona2two (talk) 06:55, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Persona2two: the hlist template at the bottom of the infobox wasn't closed. It is now. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, thanks! Persona2two (talk) 07:33, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Images

how do i include images and/or videos to an article Miley (talk) 10:28, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Divalicio: Hello, I suggest you read Help:Introduction to images with VisualEditor to add images to an article. —Matr1x-101 (Ping me when replying) {user page (@ commons) - talk} 11:50, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is confusing that you are User:Divalicio but you have chosen to "Miley" to show as your signature. David notMD (talk) 12:16, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I chose Divalicio because whenever i tried entering Miley it would just say that the name is already taken Miley (talk) 12:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Divalicio Please don't ask the same question in multiple places, as it wastes time of those who reply, as I did at Wikipedia:Help_desk#Picture. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And please read Wikipedia:Signature forgery and ensure your signature complies with policy. Shantavira|feed me 13:25, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Sir i need help to reestore this wiki page

Hi, Sir i need help to reestore this wiki page : Tim Alek Mulley Shuvro46 (talk) 10:28, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shuvro46 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please go to this linked page to make a request. 331dot (talk) 10:31, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

El Corte Ingles Department Store Barcelona

Greetings Team, I just returned from Barcelona and fell in love with the El Corte Ingles Departement Store so I was reading more about it on Wikipedia and noticed that the article stated the store had closed in 2018. This is not true as I was just there last week and they are doing fine. How do I submit the correction for this citation? Thank you, Steven ( see citation below) "In March 2018, El Corte Ingles closed its store on La Rambla of Barcelona." Stevenarthurwatson (talk) 13:15, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stevenarthurwatson Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best place to address this issue is on the article talk page, Talk:El Corte Inglés. I would note that the sentence you mention is cited- so perhaps the store was reopened at some point? 331dot (talk) 13:19, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Stevenarthurwatson The article El Corte Inglés says that the store that closed was located on La Rambla, which is correct. There are now several stores in Barcelona, of which you probably visited the one on Pl. de Cataluña, nearby. (See website store locator) Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:39, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

New member contribution to wikipedia

Hello, I'm a female from Botswana and a new member at Wikipedia . I am interested in providing information about the people and culture of Botswana and the southern African region. I appreciate any suggestions and advices. Thanks Nengoni (talk) 13:45, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Welcome on board :). I'm also a new member.
For finding sources you can use books.google.com. You don't even need to type a book name. If you search for a keyword, it will show the books that contain that word. And if you're searching for a news from 3 years back you can use Google News rather than regular Google. Moreover take a look to Archive.org. It contains a lot of books and links that are not available anymore. Good luck. Aredoros87 (talk) 13:55, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Nengoni: maybe check out WikiProject Botswana. Cheers, Edward-Woodrow :) [talk] 14:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Nengoni, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I suggest you read Help:Introduction, and Five pillars.
It often happens that a new editor reads an article about something they are familiar with, and goes "Oh, it hasn't got such-and-such information in it", and add that information - and then they get understandably upset because somebody reverts their edit, because they haven't give a source.
A Wikipedia article must not be based on what you know (or what I know, or on what any random person on the internet knows): it must be based on what reliable sources say. So if there is some information you would like to add to an article, and you can find a published source, by all means go ahead and add it. But unsourced information added to articles usually gets removed. ColinFine (talk) 17:33, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Where to put Portal bar?

Hi. I wonder if Wikipedia has a rule about Portal bars. Should we put on footer of "See also" section or on the top of the templates on footer of the article page (example)? Thanks in advance. Aredoros87 (talk) 13:52, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It goes at the bottom with navboxes, if there is one on the article. The example you have is perfect. NW1223<Howl at meMy hunts> 13:56, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your the answer! Aredoros87 (talk) 13:59, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Page Approval

Hi! I was wondering what problems I might have for creating this wikipedia page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Liz_Gereghty Hallelujah18320 (talk) 14:53, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Hallelujah18320 I think that the main issue is that you have added very little new about Liz Gereghty since your draft was declined. Presumably you are trying to show she meets WP:NPOL, which is unlikely until she has actually been elected to office. Candidates for office rarely meet the criteria. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:39, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Hallelujah18320 I see no indication in your draft that this person is notable at this time. She can be covered in a neutrally written article about the specific congressional race, along with all of the other candidates in that race. If she is elected in November, 2024, then that would be the time for a Wikipedia biography. Cullen328 (talk) 16:47, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Cullen328 I checked a few Wikipedia pages and the history of former candidates for NY-17. Their pages were created and published before they were elected in November 2020 and 2022. Is the notability criteria subjective then? Hallelujah18320 (talk) 17:48, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hallelujah18320, Mike Lawler was an elected member of the New York State Assembly from the 97th district before running for Congress, so he was already notable. As for Mondaire Jones, he received an exceptional amount of in-depth attention in the national media, which I remember clearly as a Californian. There was disagreement among reviewers about accepting his article, which was approved only about 5 months before the election, not 14 months in advance. In this case, attention is focused on her because her sister is Gretchen Whitmer, as seen by most of the headlines in your references. It is a widely accepted principle on Wikipedia that Notability is not inherited. I am giving my personal opinion, not a final judgment, but I have been dealing with political candidate articles for nearly 14 years. Cullen328 (talk) 18:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Got it! Thank you for the info! Hallelujah18320 (talk) 23:18, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Australian source

Hello, i know more about British sources than Australian ones, but would this magazine be a reliable source? https://tresamagazine.com/2022/07/06/kai-lewins/ Veganpurplefox (talk) 15:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Veganpurplefox I don't see anything in the archive of the reliable sources noticeboard and that's usually a better place to ask this sort of question. If you are thinking of drafting an article about Lewins, that source won't help demonstrate his notability because it is based on an interview. It could be used for WP:ABOUTSELF-type information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ill ask thanks, and yes im thinking making a draft if theres any article that proves his notability and if not will wait till there is. How could i use that magazine for the about self? Would it be on external links or can be in article itself? Veganpurplefox (talk) 15:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Could be either. If there was a fact you wanted to cite in the article of the aboutself type, then {{cite web}} or {{Cite magazine}} would work fine. You could even make sure the webpage was archived at the Wayback Machine so it would be available long-term. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:14, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I see thanks , but how could I add the website to wayback machine? Veganpurplefox (talk) 16:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The top level of their domain has both a search box to check for what's already archived and a place to paste in a URL for it to be saved to the archive. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:23, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It was saved 5 times so i am guessing its all good there Veganpurplefox (talk) 16:35, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Revert war (2)

I am a medical student and do not have the time for going through dispute resolution processes. There is a discussion about a revert war here. Please start a dispute resolution process for it and have the text added back if it is removed again. Thanks!-60.243.252.254 (talk) 15:48, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the answer you were given to a very similar queston above. If you "do not have time" to follow Wikipedia policies, then we cannot really help you to do so. Shantavira|feed me 15:59, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dear "medical student": See WP:BURDEN. The burden is on you to gain consensus for the text you want to add. You have not met that burden. I suggest you stop disrupting the article and go back to your studies if you cannot be bothered to spend the necessary time to engage with other editors and actually collaborate. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Use of Royal Horticultural Society Orchid Hybrid Database as a Source

Hi I had a draft rejected due to one of the sources being deemed unreliable namely the Royal Horticultural Society. I have reviewed Wikipedia's guidelines for sources and I'm unsure why it was deemed unreliable. Here is the draft in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Rhyncholaeliocattleya_Fortune Dholt123 (talk) 16:46, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Courtesy ping @S0091 Qcne (talk) 17:09, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, Dholt123. Your draft was declined not rejected, and that is a very important distinction. The "Offspring" section is inappropriate. Wikipedia is not a product catalog, and all those names are obviously marketing terms, not scientific terms. The "History" section should be written in complete sentences instead of sentence fragments. As for the specific Royal Horticultural Society reference, I do not think that reliability is the issue, in my opinion. Rather, the reference is to a database that is intended to be all-encompassing. A routine database entry is not significant coverage and therefore does not contribute to notability. As a matter of fact, neither of your references devote significant coverage to the topic. Articles about recognized species are generally kept. I do not think that applies to hybrids, unless there is significant coverage of the hybrid in reliable sources. Mule is the obvious example. Cullen328 (talk) 17:34, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your reply. What about the offspring section makes it inappropriate? I included it to show the hybrid offspring that were produced using Rhyncholaeliocattleya Fortune as one of the parent plants. Also as for the names of the offspring they are named in accordance to the International Code of Nomenclature for Cultivated Plants rather than simply being marketing terms.
I would like to ensure that I am understanding the later half of you reply. Are you saying that due to the draft being about a hybrid you do not feel it would be notable enough to warrant an article? If I were to include a section about notable cultivars and awards that they have won would that be more along the lines of something that would make it article worthy? Dholt123 (talk) 18:08, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Cullen328 Dholt123 (talk) 22:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Dholt123, what you need to provide are references to reliable, independent sources that devote significant coverage to this specific topic. Database entries are not significant coverage. I see no value in a long, long list of various offsprings that tells the reader nothing about the individual offsprings. Cullen328 (talk) 22:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Use of a "Citation Needed" in the the Cultivation section of the Wiki on Tomato's

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomato#Cultivation

"A fertilizer with an NPK ratio of 5–10–10 is often sold as tomato fertilizer or vegetable fertilizer, although manure and compost are also used.[citation needed]." The "Citation needed" is a bit daft, to put it bluntly, don't you think? It's common knowledge manure and compost are fertilizers used for all sorts of flora. FranzSebastianvH (talk) 16:54, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, FranzSebastianvH. While it may be common knowledge that manure and compost are frequently used in agriculture, I do not think that "NPK ratio of 5–10–10" is common knowledge worldwide. According to Labeling of fertilizer, many countries use NPK labels but not all countries. And variations are noted for the UK, Australia and Poland. Wikipedia is a worldwide project. and we should be considering the needs of people interested in growing tomatoes who may know nothing about NPK labels, especially if that system is not used in their country. So, no, I do not think that the "citation needed" tag is daft, because Verifiability is a core content policy. Cullen328 (talk) 17:12, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think there are two ideas here, and a single {{cn}} on a compound sentence seems confusing itself. As Cullen328 notes, the first idea is a specific ratio of nutrients and marketing availability, not just the idea of fertilizer that is labeled for this use. And I agree that the 5-10-10 fact itself needs a cite. As FranzSebastianvH notes, the second idea is well known. But I would say it also needs a cite that they are used in this specific context, as in some cases these well-known fertilizers might not provide enough of a certain nutrient or might have other contents that make them not-recommended for certain plants. DMacks (talk) 03:55, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Create blog

How to create a blog in Wikipedia Mellow303 (talk) 17:17, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Mellow303: Welcome to the Teahouse. You don't; Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a blogging service. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:24, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And if what you mean is "How can I create an article about a particular blog in Wikipedia?" the answer is the same as for nearly all article subjects: First find several sources that are reliably published, independent of the subject, and contain significant coverage of the subject.
Second if you can't find such sources give up and don't spend any more time on this impossible task. If you can find sources, read your first article to see how to create an article based almost entirely on what those indpendent sources say, and not on anything you might happen to know about the subject. ColinFine (talk) 17:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

small tag usage valid in taxobox?

ex_ Neolamarckia cadamba has small tags in taxobox, its usage is valid? rudrudu_enwiki (talk) 18:34, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The usage is common, but {{small}} is preferred because not all browsers will correctly render <small>, which is no longer part of the HTML standard. Folly Mox (talk) 00:43, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

template for American football standings (historical)

I am working on some interconnected sports pages (in American intercollegiate sports) and am trying to add to a series of annual standings already in Wikipedia. I keep getting blocked, most recently by someone saying my submission is "contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia" or some such nonsense. There are already dozens, if not hundreds, of similar annual standings templates in Wikipedia, and I am only trying to add to them, reflecting my own research. How to I resolve this, or am I permanently blocked from doing so for some reason? Dracydni (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bizarre discussion of notability for Anirudh Devgan

A few weeks ago I noticed that the notability of Anirudh Devgan was being questioned. Aside from being the CEO of a multibillion company, he is an elected member of National Academy of Engineering, recipient of the "lifetime achievement" Phil Kaufman Award, and made specific award-winning technical contributions (for some reason, my edit with four refs for that was undone). Devgan also happens to be an IEEE Fellow, as mentioned in several sources, but the IEEE Fellow look-up fails to show that. It didn't help that a paid contributor suggested changes via the talk page, but that should not *hurt* notability either. Talk:Anirudh Devgan keeps on discussing this topic, with continued abstract arguments about "niche awards" and about CEOs of large companies not necessarily being notable. @Bookku was kind enough to try a process-based discussion of references (link from Talk:Anirudh Devgan), but I am not sure if that helped. Could someone constructive please take a look at this and put us out of our misery? Leaving unresolved warnings on pages for long time makes Wikipedia look unauthoritative, and suggests that the community can't handle straightforward notability checks. Thank you B030510 (talk) 18:42, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@B030510: Remember that notability isn't inherited. Just because someone is CEO of a notable company doesn't make him notable too. Being "mentioned in several sources" doesn't count either, this is routine coverage. Press releases as the paid editor is promoting on the talk page don't help in the slightest. The awards might be relevant, but to me this looks like a borderline case of notability. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:09, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Anachronist I am not pitching the CEO status or press-releases as arguments. Devgan is notable because he is a member of NAE (being a member of NAS is explicitly mentioned in notability guidelines as sufficient, and NAE is at the same level). Independently, Devgan is notable because he is a Kaufman award winner. Why would you dismiss notability guidelines and call this case borderline? (honest question) Independently, he is notable because he is an IEEE Fellow (and is in official lists), and this is explicitly mentioned as sufficient. Independently, he is notable because of his technical results that were recognized with major awards. Can you please share your train of thought rather than just say "borderline"? Thx B030510 (talk) 21:28, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@B030510: Looks like this article was tagged in May 2023. There are over 58,000 articles with topics of unclear notability, with about 55,000 tagged before May 2023, some going back to 2010. It's absolutely fair to say that the community can't handle (or isn't interested in handling) the volume of notability check requests. There are many other backlogs with thousands of pages to be fixed. GoingBatty (talk) 19:20, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@GoingBatty The discussions already consumed a lot of time, but it's a very simple case (also embarrassing for the community). Just one source [2] is sufficient (and there are other singularly sufficient sources). Why would you pick on the press-release when the page has much better sources? To me, it looks like a case of refusing to follow stated rules B030510 (talk) 21:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@B030510: Every editor in the community works on whatever they want. Hope the issue you're passionate about is resolved soon, and that you continue to improve Wikipedia articles! GoingBatty (talk) 22:37, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@B030510, when the article was tagged in May the editor commented as likely but not sure about the tags. Which is fine. However the article had not changed significantly since accepted at Articles for Creation by DGG, so the tags were a mistake. Most editors here are unfamiliar with the requirements for biographies of academic and technical people which are in WP:NPROF, so these kinds of mistakes happen. All any editor has to do to remove the tags is check that the material is currently fine. I do wish the IEEE would provide a complete list of Fellows, but they don't and the other sources are enough. I will put the awards in chronological order and remove the tags. StarryGrandma (talk) 22:03, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions to improve a Draft User:AKFkrewfamKF1/sandbox/KREW to replace current article KREW which is a stub

User:AKFkrewfamKF1/sandbox/KREW

I want this draft to replace the current KREW article, which is a stub article about a radio station. I noticed on Wikipedia:Processing drafts with duplicate titles that when a draft is better than the existing article, the existing article can be replaced with the draft. This is what I want.

The current article has only an infobox, 2 short paragraphs, and only a single reference. It is marked as a stub. My draft has actual headings and subheadings, 8 references, and much more content.

Still, I want to make sure this draft has the best chances possible of replacing the original article. Please leave any suggestions for improvement you may have. Any additional sources are also greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 19:49, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, AKFkrewfamKF1! Regarding your desire to replace the existing article, it's good that you've already found the guidance for handling name conflicts when creating articles. However, the section you're looking at doesn't apply, since your draft covers a different subject than the existing article. You should instead take a look at this section and be prepared to have your article renamed with a disambiguating word such as KREW (gamers) or similar. To learn more about how this works, please read the guidelines for determining which article is the primary topic for a name. Good luck, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 20:24, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your suggestion. I guess the only way is if the original got deleted on WP:Notability. I do believe there is a chance as there is no significant coverage of the subject. Only the FCC page was referenced as a source, this is trivial coverage. I do not see how some small radio station in some small northwest Texan town can meet the notability standards (it certainly doesn't at the current point in time). AKFkrewfamKF1 (talk) 20:56, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You're welcome to nominate the original article for deletion, although that may be seen as somewhat untoward since you want the name for your draft article. There are other options; for example, when your article goes through the articles for creation process, it could be that your article gets the name on the strength of your notability arguments and the original article is renamed with a disambiguating word instead. But for now, my recommendation is to concentrate on refining your own article, and handle the naming when it's time to do so. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 21:09, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The draft you've written being accepted doesn't depend in any way on the KREW article being deleted, AKFkrewfamKF1. Each article/topic stands on its own merits and there can be as many articles about things with the same name as there are notable topics with that name. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:15, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @AKFkrewfamKF1. Only if the existing article is poor enough to qualify for deletion ("lousy article") will the draft replace it. The purpose of Articles for Creation is to determine whether a topic qualifies for inclusion in Wikipedia. Since KREW already does, your work does not need to be reviewed. Instead just rework the existing article. This keeps previous editor's work in the history, rather than erasing it. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Didn't read carefully enought. This doesn't apply since the topics are different. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:28, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@AKFkrewfamKF1, you have proposed the existing KREW article, about the 70-year old radio station, for deletion. This is to make room for your draft article, Draft:Krew, about your group of Canadian YouTubers. That’s unnecessary- as noted above, you can give it a different title. I’m copying some of the editors of the radio station article so they are aware of the situation: @Karenthewriter, @Wcquidditch, @Rudy2alan and @User:Tdl1060.
A. B. (talkcontribsglobal count) 03:58, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i got this message after i left open an artical for an hour by mistake.is this a common thing?

i left open an artical for an hour when i went to do errans. i left the computer running on by mistake. when i logged back in i saw this message. is this a common thing?


Manthemanmancowman (talk) 21:21, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

i frogot to add the image so here it is Manthemanmancowman (talk) 21:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) @Manthemanmancowman: I don't see the message you're referring to. Can you elaborate? Elli (talk | contribs) 21:22, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oops, edit-conflicted with you. Yeah, that message is a normal donation banner. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:23, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
its in the replys. i forgot to add the image in the post Manthemanmancowman (talk) 21:26, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirecting

I'm trying to write a page for the first time, how do I make so someone will be redirected to my page if they type in a certain word or phrase? Welcome back bro (talk) 22:48, 17 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Welcome back bro: Welcome to the Teahouse! See the information at WP:Redirect. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reply, so in the brackets of this: #REDIRECT [[target page name here]] Would I place the page I want to redirect to or the page I want to redirect from? If it's the page I want to redirect to, how do I get it to redirect from a certain word or phrase? Thank you! Welcome back bro (talk) 02:15, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Welcome back bro: There are several examples on WP:Redirect, such as the page Colour contains #REDIRECT [[Color]], which redirects you to the article called Color. GoingBatty (talk) 02:44, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Politics

I have noticed in a few areas that need to be drastically changed. Such as Trump wanting to overturn the election is completely false and Biden winning is also completely false. Not to mention, how one-sided this site seems to be going into. I was even barred from making actual statements about MTG with her views on the 2020 Presidential election. If this site doesn't make chances to Killing of Ashli Babbit, and the page of Attempts to Overturn the 2020 Presidential ELection have to be changed greatly or removed completely as that page has a lot of falsified information. Same with Republican Effots to Restrict voting. All have false information of what really happened and of wikipedia doesn't change it, then this site is revealing it's part of the radical left regime in support of Puppet Dictator Biden. TimPrime1 (talk) 04:20, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]