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July 21

How can I get the what links here to update for a page

How can I get the pagelinks table for Help:What links here to update? I have waited a few days for it to update but it still has not done so. Is there anyway to force it to update? The article in question is Unreal Engine. See https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Unreal_Engine&limit=500. I need to see what actually links to it as a lot of the links to it are not formatted correctly. Eg. they are of the form [[Unreal Engine|Unreal Engine 2]] or [[Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 2|Unreal Engine 2]] instead of [[Unreal Engine 2]]. The issue is a lot of the pages in that category do not link to Unreal Engine at all, yet are still shown as linking to it. This seems to be because [[Unreal Engine 3]] etc. used to be a redirect to Unreal Engine but now they have their own page. There are also pages that do not link to Unreal Engine at all but are still in the "what links here page" such as Infinity Blade: Redemption. Skip the first few hundred links in WhatLinksHere/Unreal_Engine if you look at it as those are real links to it. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 03:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Did you try purging the cache – https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Unreal_Engine&limit=500&action=purge Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 05:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I just tried. It doesn't seem to do anything. Clicking the link you sent or pasting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Unreal_Engine into https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Purge doesn't seem to do anything. I also tried purging https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal_Engine and that doesn't seem to do anything either. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 06:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm trying https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ahecht/Scripts/refresh now J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 06:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

It seems to run into issues when one of the pages is protected and then crashes. Not sure how to solve this issue. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 07:09, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@J2UDY7r00CRjH, I am not 100% sure but I think Infinity Blade: Redemption is in the whatlinkshere as the template {{Epic}} links to Unreal Engine. No amount of purging can change that. Commander Keane (talk) 07:38, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah, thanks for pointing that out. I am manually going through all 1,500 links now. It seems most of the issues are from using [[Unreal Engine|Unreal Engine 2]] or [[Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 2|Unreal Engine 2]] instead of [[Unreal Engine 2]] and I'm not sure how to find this usage automatically. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 07:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Help:What_links_here#Workaround_to_hide_transcluded_links may help you. Commander Keane (talk) 07:59, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

How to find wikilink usage in search engine?

How can I find links of the form [[Unreal Engine|Unreal Engine 2]] or [[Unreal Engine#Unreal Engine 2|Unreal Engine 2]]? I can't just search for "Unreal Engine 2" as that will also return results for [[Unreal Engine 2]], which I am looking to exclude from the results. It seems the search engine does not look at wiki markup language and only looks at the formatted prose on the screen. Is there an way to solve this? J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 07:46, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@J2UDY7r00CRjH, per my link directly above, does searching for insource:/\[\[[Uu]nreal_Engine/ in the search box help? Commander Keane (talk) 08:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes. I am using that now. It seems to work very well. Thanks! J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 08:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@J2UDY7r00CRjH: insource:"Unreal Engine Unreal Engine 2" finds both your examples. insource:/.../ is more expensive on the servers. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Interwiki page existence check

Is there a local way to check if a page exists from another wiki? It would help me for a template I'm working on. "#ifexist:" and all existing templates I could find don't support interwiki checks. JoeJShmo^💌 08:21, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

related question: is there any way of checking if a specific section exists within a given article? JoeJShmo^💌 08:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@JoeJShmo: You cannot check whether a page exists at another wiki. In order to test whether a section exists in a local page you would have to read the whole page and try to search it for the section header code. I haven't heard of anyone doing this. I doubt any purpose is worth the cost. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@JoeJShmo If I wanted to find out if an article existed anywhere, I'd do a search within Wikidata for the expected title. I could use its standard search box to find the entry at Q210385= Πυριδίνη, for example, which corresponds to our pyridine. Is that the sort of search you had in mind for your template? Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:54, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm pretty new to making templates so I don't know much coding atm. If I wanted my template to determine if a specific article exists, you're saying there's a search function I could use? Do you mind linking that function's documentation page? JoeJShmo^💌 18:53, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

If you are looking for a page on a specific wikipedia you might use {{sitelink}}. For example, the Korean version of this page (according to wikidata) is:

{{sitelink|lang=ko}} → 위키백과:질문방

—Trappist the monk (talk) 19:10, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunate sitelink doesn't work to check if a specific page exists from another wiki (like wikisource) or to check for specific sections. JoeJShmo^💌 22:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Checking for specific sections on another wiki is not possible because we can't fetch the article contents from 'there' for analysis 'here'.

It is possible to fetch a list of other language and other project site links from wikidata. For example, this snippet of code run in the lua debug console returns a lua table of sitelinks for Jane Austin's Sense and Sensibility (Sense and Sensibility (Q274744)). If you go to that wikidata page, you will see that fr.wikisource is one of many sitelinks and the only wikisource sitelink. Here is the snippet:

=mw.dumpObject (mw.wikibase.getEntity ('Q274744')["sitelinks"]) returns (in part):

table#1 {
        metatable = table#2
    ["afwiki"] = table#3 {
        ["badges"] = table#4 {
        },
        ["site"] = "afwiki",
        ["title"] = "Sense and Sensibility",
    },
    ...
    ["frwikisource"] = table#45 {
        ["badges"] = table#46 {
        },
        ["site"] = "frwikisource",
        ["title"] = "Raison et Sentiments",
    },
}

A sufficiently clever template/module can extract meaning from that. So far as I know, there isn't a template that fetches sitelinks so it needs be written.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Looks clever, hopefully someone makes a template utilizing that someday. I was trying to check if a specific page exists under a given author on wikisource, and it looks like that isn't listed on wikidata regardless (just the author page itself is listed). As for the sections, that was something I wanted to check locally, to see if a given section exists in a given Wikipedia article. Perhaps there is a way to do that? I was just looking through the doc page of #invoke:WikidataIB and it looks like it can be done by scanning the page, though I'd appreciate if you can guide me on how to go about doing that efficiently (or perhaps there's a template?) JoeJShmo^💌 01:50, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Module:String2 § findpagetext

{{#invoke:String2|findpagetext|Interwiki page existence check}} → 5329

—Trappist the monk (talk) 02:26, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks! Implemented some automatic checks in my template with this, and planning to add more later. JoeJShmo^💌 14:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Separate question: if I want to replace a parameter with a formula, do you recommend replacing the parameter every time it appears, or nesting the template in a new template which sets the parameter to the formula, which would make it easier to adjust the formula later.

Note: just realized there's a better option, by having the template start by calling itself while setting the parameter to the desired formula, and adding an #if condition to avoid looping. However, when called by another page it shows a looping error which is strange as it doesn't loop. JoeJShmo^💌 16:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Can’t read CAPTCHA

I couldn’t read the CAPTCHA wen signing up to make an article Welolo (talk) 09:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Your account works. Otherwise you couldn't make this post as User:Welolo. If you still have a problem then please clarify it. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Question about sock votes

I came across a !vote on a discussion page, and, while it didn't affect the consensus of the vote, the specific user has been blocked as a sockpuppet. Should the vote be kept, deleted, or struck-through? GeorgeMemulous (talk) 14:40, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@GeorgeMemulous Per WP:SOCKSTRIKE, striking seems reasonable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:24, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Why is the far east of my map being chopped off?

I don’t see the whole country in List of active coal-fired power stations in Turkey but on tr:Türkiye'deki kömür yakıtlı elektrik santralleri listesi I do even though they are both “width = 1000”. What am I missing? Chidgk1 (talk) 17:07, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Chidgk1, which skin are you using? I see all of the map on both the en.wp and tr.wp articles in both Minerva and Vector 2022, although in Minerva I do have to perform a sidey-scroll to view the eastern half of the map. Folly Mox (talk) 20:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@Folly Mox Thanks - as long as readers can see it ok that is the main thing. I use Vector 2022 skin on both en and tr. Pretty sure the map was right when I first created it a long time ago otherwise I would have noticed. I wonder if there might be some way I could backup or save all my user customisations then reset everything to defaults? Actually I don’t think I have too much non-standard stuff so happy to reset everything to defaults even if I risk losing something. Is there an easy way to reset a user do you know? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:33, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Chidgk1, it sounds like the sidey-scroll fixed your primary concern, but to answer your other question I'm not sure if there is an easy way to toggle between current customisation options and vanilla default. You could always comment out or rename your custom css and js scripts, but what I (and I think many others) do is open a private tab to browse logged out. Folly Mox (talk) 10:47, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Folly Mox Duh of course readers are not generally logged in. So I just looked when logged out and it is still the whole map displayed on tr but needing side scroll on en. This is on Safari on iphone and ipad - I will try and test on other common setups.

Firstly would you agree that side scroll is bad because many people won’t realise it is possible?

Secondly would you agree that it would be best on phones (and perhaps tablets too) to have the whole of the country displayed when the phone is turned horizontal? I realize that the proportion of the country is a little longer than a typical phone screen but I think that should be good enough - do you? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Or would it be better to completely chop off the east and just put a footnote “Şirnak Silopi not shown” do you think? Chidgk1 (talk) 06:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah I see now I can side scroll Chidgk1 (talk) 06:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Colors in tables not working

When I use my phone or my laptop (windows 10, google chrome) and I look at racing series results (specifically formula 1 but really any of them) the tables have beautiful colors that quickly show the results. On this computer, (windows 11, not that that should matter) the results all have the same color. The table colors seemingly are not working on this computer. How fix. WannaSprite420 (talk) 17:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia app consumed 6.8GB of data

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Apologies if this is not the right place for my query. While using the Wikipedia app on iOS with a 4G connection, I received a notification from my provider stating I had only 5GB left in my data package. Eight minutes later, I received another message saying my data package was completely used up. Upon checking my cellular usage settings, I found that the Wikipedia app had consumed 6.8GB of data in just about 10 minutes. What could be the cause of this? 178.241.88.53 (talk) 18:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi there,

This is definitely not the place for this query, as you realized. While this issue is very interesting, we cannot deal with these kinds of issues. Our job is to answer your questions about how to edit Wikipedia. I'm pretty sure the best place to bring this issue up is at WP:TECHPUMP. I personally have no clue what could've caused this.

Warm regards,

Avishai

@Avishai11

Avishai11 (talk) 22:48, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Quick review of Allbirds

Hello Wikipedians. I recently finished fleshing out the page Allbirds as much as I can stomach. I think for the most part it is okay, but I can no longer tell what parts of my writing are good or bad and would appreciate it if someone could quickly dust it off.

Additionally, I would appreciate direction to where in WikiProject Law I would go if I wanted their assistance with the litigation section before I submit this for GA review. Let me know if this is the wrong place for that. Ornov Ganguly TALK 22:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

@Oganguly: To ask for help from a wikiproject, use that project's talk page, such as Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Law RudolfRed (talk) 00:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Also Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests although it might be a few weeks before one of them has time Chidgk1 (talk) 06:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

July 22

Direct linking to other language wikis

Hello. I'd like to ask, if it is accepted practice to directly link articles in other language wikis from English Wikipedia. For example in 2024–25 Women's Floorball Champions Cup, great deal of links point directly to articles at Czech, German, Swedish and Finnish wikis. I haven't seen this practice in other English wikipedia articles. Except for links using Template:ill, which clearly mark the link as pointing to other language. I've asked the author of the article. But from his/hers response, it rather seems like this was his/hers deliberate choice rather than a practice based on an accepted norm. I find this quite confusing, when I land on a completely different languages after clicking a link. Thanks. Prikryl (talk) 08:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

As you may have seen already, WP:ILL says The best practice is to use the template {{interlanguage link}} (my emphasis), but I don't see anywhere that actually forbids linking directly to a foreign-language article, and Help:Link actually has some examples of it.

I agree that a direct link to a foreign-language article is not desirable, according to the principle of least surprise. ColinFine (talk) 09:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Another advantage of using the interlanguage link template is that it can create a WP:REDLINK, which is helpful in identifying missing articles that we may wish to create (or, in this case, translate from other language wikis). -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 09:32, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

There's no policy against direct links to sister language projects, although not calling them out in any way is certainly not best practice. Template:ill has some foibles, like always creating a redlink even if the sister language article would not meet en.wp's standards for inclusion, and has problems displaying non-ASCII glyphs on mouse hover / long press in certain browsers. I actually prefer direct linking for Chinese-language interwiki links for this reason. Folly Mox (talk) 10:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand the redlink objection. I can add Folly Mox to an article even if such an article would not meet en-wp's standards for inclusion. There is no way for the redlink "code" to know that, it's an editorial judgement. I agree with the text of WP:ILL that it's best practice. When I click something that looks like a wikilink on en-WP, I should not be taken outside en-WP. But there are worse things than interwiki links, like Hope Dickson Leach. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:00, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

It's definitely editorial judgement, and I recognise I hold a minority opinion. For clarity, the only thing I directly interwiki link is native Chinese characters, which I feel is reasonably unsurprising to be a link to a Chinese-language article. Folly Mox (talk) 17:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I agree directly linking makes more sense, but I would prefix it with the language code like zh:计算机科学 instead of 计算机科学 which are both preferable to Computer science ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:19, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Where would a link to a zh-WP article that has an en-WP version be useful outside the "languages" menu? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 22:20, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I was just demonstrating an example that happened to be a blue link, but even so, if the enwp article was a stub, with a wealth of knowledge, I might link to the other language edition. And also slap a {{Expand Chinese}} template on the English language stub edition. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 08:26, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks all for your responses. I'll look into replacing the direct links in the mentioned article (and other related articles by the same author) with {{Interlanguage link}}, as that seems to be the best practice based on your responses. Prikryl (talk) 07:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

move article to update name from Joe Frank Chambers to Joe Chambers (Entrepreneur

i can't find the moved article. I need help please. Thanks. MikeMARS52 MikeMARS52 (talk) 14:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

MikeMARS52 It is at Joe Chambers(Entrepreneur) so it needs to be moved to Joe Chambers (Entrepreneur) with a space added. TSventon (talk) 14:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

The article needs a clean up as some sections seem to be copyvios of this Valenciano (talk) 14:44, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Benjamin (2018 film)

There are two different 2018 films named "Benjamin", Benjamin (2018 film) (British) and Benjamin (2018 American film). I just added hatnotes to keep them straight. Could someone please rename the first article to Benjamin (2018 British film)? Some other pages here refer to it with that name, including Benjamin (disambiguation)#Other. Thanks! 100.19.66.49 (talk) 15:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

IP editor. The name you want to move to is already a redirect. Moving articles over redirects needs admin rights, I think. You can ask at WP:RM/TM. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:58, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

WP:MOVEOVERREDIRECT applies so any autoconfirmed editor can move it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Article name suggestions

I just found Lt Col Dwarakesh and was intending to move it to a better name. The problem is that all the references and search results refer to him as Lt Col Dwarakesh or Lieutenant Colonel Dwarakesh. The swimming results call him DWARKESH C. (missing the second A). Dwarakesh is a redirect to Dwarakish. Any suggestions where the article should go? CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 17:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@CambridgeBayWeather welcome to Help Desk! I would keep it as is per WP:COMMONNAME. You could create a helpful redirect from Lieutenant Colonel Dwarakesh to Lt Col Dwarakesh if you want. See WP:REDIRECT for instructions on how. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 19:54, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. You gave me a chuckle there. I'll make the redirect and hat note Dwarakish. Cheers. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 20:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Julie Christie

I noticed that the majority of sources indicate that the actress Julie Christie was born in 1941, but we have 1940 with a reference that I'm not able to consult because it requires a registration. Someone have access to this source? I would like to verify it. Thanks in advance. 87.1.243.195 (talk) 18:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

You can ask at WP:RX for someone with access to look it up for you. However, according to WP:RSNP, Findmypast is not a reliable source. RudolfRed (talk) 18:28, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@RudolfRed Many thanks for your kind consideration. If it isn't a reliable and definitive source, I think that we should mention both dates, because multiple reliable sources cite 1941 (https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/person/mp10132/julie-frances-christie ------ https://www.theguardian.com/film/2007/apr/01/awardsandprizes ------ https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/style/movies/oscars/julie_christie.htm ------ https://www.telegraphindia.com/india/light-at-last-on-julie-s-half-sister-british-paper-acts-detective-unveils-life-of-actress-s-hidden-indian-connection/cid/615877 ------ https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/julie-christie-beauty-that-never-fades-774338.html). 87.1.243.195 (talk) 18:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

How to check if a page has been reviewed/patrolled?

From WP:NPPLOG:

>Patrolled pages (or new pages patrolling) is a subset of the patrolled edits MediaWiki software feature, installed in Wikipedia in November 2007, that indicates whether an article has been patrolled by a reviewer or administrator through Special:NewPages, Special:NewPagesFeed, Special:RecentChanges, or otherwise.

However, it doesn't make clear how exactly to access this info. Is there a permission I need to view it? Is there page I can search on? I think that page should be made more clear.

I can see if my own articles have been patrolled via Special:NewPagesFeed or Special:NewPages but I am not looking for that. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 21:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@J2UDY7r00CRjH: This info can be accessed through Special:Log in a couple of ways. A link to a page's logs is provided when looking at a page's history. You do it like this (specifically like this) or like that. Note the different option choices provided here. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 23:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

@Zzuuzz Thanks. I have one more question: if a page is not listed as reviewed, but was created by someone with autopatroled rights, does it have the same status as reviewed/patroled? specifically, I am trying to understand if there is any benefit to having Unreal Engine 5 be reviewed (log here). When I say benefit of having it reviewed, I mean in terms of google page ranking. To be clear, I have zero relation with Unreal Engine, so I am not trying to do SEO for them. I recently split Unreal Engine into multiple articles, including Unreal Engine 5, which used to be a redirect to Unreal Engine, and which is now ranked on page two for the Google search "unreal engine 5" while the "Unreal Engine" page is on page one. Basically, I want to know it the reviewed status would help it go to page one, as I know Google special cases Wikipedia results separate from the standard pagerank algorithm. I think users will be confused if they search for "unreal engine" and see "Unreal Engine" as the result. I also know it could just be a matter waiting for Google's search to update more but I'd like to know the answer in any case. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 00:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

We're now approaching the outer limits of my NPP knowledge, and some quirks and geek. Autopatrolled 'creations' don't appear in the log, so the initial revision was reviewed even though it doesn't appear in the log. However, converting the redirect to an article made it unreviewed. See WP:NPPREDIRECT, again not appearing in the log. The one true test I know of is to check the served article's (HTML) source, and check for a noindex in the robots meta tag (if you know Unreal you may understand that). Noindex is never good in search engines, and removing it is a primary feature of patrol. How to easily get it patrolled again ... oh, that's the limit of my knowledge. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 00:57, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I was about to say you can just look at Page Information (it's in the Tools dropdown in the default skin) to see whether indexing is allowed, instead of having to grovel through the html source... but it's saying "Allowed" for me even on new unpatrolled pages that are marked noindex in the source. Anyone able to confirm that this used to work like this? Or does this just look at the namespace and/or index/noindex magic words? :very confused: —Cryptic 02:56, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Never mind, this is phab:T157747, broken since at least 2017. —Cryptic 03:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

>How to easily get it patrolled again ... oh, that's the limit of my knowledge

Wouldn't it just be a matter of someone reviewing it again? Anyway, thanks for the link to WP:NPPREDIRECT. I knew something seemed off with Google's indexing, and this may be the reason. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 03:29, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Unreviewed pages are not indexed at all unless they are >90 days old. Unreal Engine 5 is indeed currently not reviewed, and I'm not willing to review it myself since the merits of the dispute are contested at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Proposal_to_split_-_Unreal_Engine and this is exactly the sort of thing NPP should handle. People patrol Special:NewPagesFeed from both ends to find articles to patrol, but your article is currently in the muddle and NPP had a recent crisis causing a lot more pages than normal to enter the queue so it will take a while. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. that's interesting, because google is indexing it (it appears on the second page for the search "unreal engine 5"). I guess once it is indexes it once it takes some time for them to unindex it. In general they do respect the noindex robots.txt so I assume it is just a bug or time-related thing, although I would expect them to re-index Wikipedia more regularly than other sites.

>the merits of the split are contested

I think the result of that discussion was that we should try it out and if any of the editors don't like we could revisit the split. But that's fair that you don't want to review it given that there wasn't a very conclusive resolution there. That said, it has been almost a month since that discussion, and I have been sharing my drafts for input since the beginning, as well as having added a split proposal notice on the main page, which nobody responded to for about a week. J2UDY7r00CRjH (talk) 03:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

The index state for all pages are in the meta header tag. Robots.txt would be unwieldy to be updated with 6.5 million main space pages to be parsed through. There are some quirks as to how Google works with indexing Wikipedia. At risk of WP:BEANS, let's not go into there. – robertsky (talk) 03:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Whether it is appearing on page one or not is not a matter of the article being reviewed or not. As you have observed, it is currently on page two, but likely is due to the previous crawl that they did which indicated that the title was a redirect. Whether it appears on page one or not, it will be dependent on when Google will crawl the page next, which timeline is only known to Google. There is no way for us to request Google to crawl the page earlier. – robertsky (talk) 03:44, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Kamala Harris page, Early life and education section says she was born in 1964 and earned her Phd also in 1964. Can that be correct?

Kamala Harris page, Early life and education section says she was born in 1964 and earned her Phd also in 1964. Can that be correct? 2603:8001:4B00:E800:30BD:18A2:2C5:880F (talk) 21:40, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Clearly not. I'll see if I can figure out what it should read, and fix it. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:51, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Having looked, it is Hariss's mother that gets the PhD in 1964. Maybe this could be better worded though. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Charles Harrison Mason’s Profile

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Dear Wikipedia, I have painstakingly added the standard books listed below, which were reviewed and published, including reliable information about Charles H. Mason’s life and works, to his Wikipedia profile. He is a religious leader, denomination builder, and a significant historical figure in the African American Pentecostal faith community. I am curious as to why all of my scholarly edits have been deleted, to which I have dedicated considerable time and effort. Dr. Elton H. Weaver III

Definitive Works on Bishop Mason and COGIC:

David M. Ticker, Black Pastors & Leaders: The Memphis Clergy, 1819-1972 (Memphis, TN: Memphis State University Press, 1975). C. Eric Lincoln and Lawrence K. Mamiya, The Black Church in the African American Experience (Durham, NC: Duke University Press, 1990). Ithiel C. Clemmons, Bishop C. H. Mason and the Roots of the Church of God in Christ (Centennial ed. Bakersfield, CA: Pneuma Life Publishing 1996). Anthea D. Butler, Women in the Church of God in Christ: Making a Sanctified World (Chapel Hill, NC: University of North Carolina Press, 2007). Elton H. Weaver III, Bishop Charles H. Mason in the Age of Jin Crow: The Struggle for Religious and Moral Uplift (Lanham, MD: Lexington Books, 2020). Eweaver3 (talk) 22:36, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. You are clearly promoting your own book - see the WP:SELFCITE section in particular. While it is certainly possible that your book may be considered a valid source for citation, you will have to convince us first that it meets our Wikipedia:Reliable sources criteria. I suggest you read up on Wikipedia policy, and then start a discussion on the article talk page. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Dealing with hate speech on the talk zone

Hi, On the Anti-Quebec sentiment talk page we have to deal with lot of unrelated comments that can be classified as hate speech. Most of the time the comments are about the balance of the article and try to argue on why this hate speech is "Legitimate". Arguing on law 21 and law 96 are "heinous” and others unrelated topic. The classic.

Normally I just erase the comments and leave a comment of my own telling that the talk page is not to be used as a forum to express an opinion on the topic and the story end here. The talk page is kept relatively clean free of hate and off topic comments.

Why I do this: I don't want hate speech to remain on the talk page. It gives them one to many place to promote theirs idea if we leave the comments in place. Especially since Wikipedia is an Encyclopedia It give them some sort of legitimacy that any forum like X or Facebook or other don't have.

Last time an other remove my comments on the off topic comments are restored the hate speech while accusing me of erasing without leaving comments which I didn’t.

I would like an advice on what proper channels is to be used and how to address it?

thank you for your advice. Alain.C123 (talk) 23:25, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Seeing as you just created this account, I would assume you were formerly editing as an IP and are the person making edits like this? That is not hate speech and you should not just be removing it. I realize this is a fraught area, but there need to be good reasons to simply remove comments by others, and while hate speech is one of those reasons, this was not hate speech, and calling it that on the talk page is significantly more inflammatory than the comment you removed. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:55, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm the editor who most recently undid the IP's (presumably Alain.C123's) removal of talk page threads on Talk:Anti-Quebec sentiment, and I did not accuse them of having removed the threads without leaving comments. I used a standard warning template and the wording was: "Please stop. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Talk:Anti-Quebec sentiment, you may be blocked from editing. Stop removing talk page threads." They did not use edit summaries but instead sometimes attempted to justify their actions by subsequent posts on the article's talk page (not an appropriate way of doing it even if they were removing hate speech, which I didn't see). I went directly to a level 3 warning since the IP had been doing this for 10 months (see Special:Contributions/24.202.113.225) and the talk page was so thoroughly messed up that I gave up on trying to repair it. Meters (talk) 07:48, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

July 23

Update my donation payment method

How do i update my donation payment method?

Regina Ttdwinc (talk) 19:04, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

We editors have nothing to do with the donation process, for inquiries about donations, please communicate with the Foundation by emailing donate@wikimedia.org 331dot (talk) 19:28, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ttdwinc: See also donate:Cancel or change recurring giving. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:25, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Looking for a book

Good evening,

I need following book as it features further information about the Mongol800 song "Chiisana Koi no Uta" as well as 29 other popular Japanese songs from the Heisei era:

• Shiba Tomonori (2021), Heisei no hitto-kyoku 平成のヒット曲, Shinchō shinsho, 929 (in Japanese), Shinjuku: Shinchōsha, ISBN 978-4-10-610929-4

For now, I just need it for the information about the above mentioned song. Is there anyone with knowledge in Japanese who owns this book? I asked the Japan portals in Englisch, German and Japanese Wikipedia but did not get any response. --Goroth (talk) 20:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Goroth If you haven't, you can try WP:RX. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:33, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

I did not not know that this exist. I just made a request there. Thank you. --Goroth (talk) 21:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Do not use {{lang}} or {{nihongo}} in {{citation}} |title=. Also, jas refers to New Caledonian Javanese; is that what you really meant? You are looking for a book so why do you name a periodical? Apparently Shinchō shinsho, 929 is a series of which this source is the 929th number so |periodical= amd |issue= are misused. Google books says that the book length is 303 pages so |pages=303 is a misuse of that parameter; cs1|2 does not support total-number-of-pages. I fixed your example template to remove {{lang}} and |pages= and replaced , |periodical= and |issue= with |series=.

Have you looked at OCLC for this book? Perhaps one of the libraries that it lists as holders of the source is near you or perhaps an interlibrary loan can be arranged. See OCLC 1285903229.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:07, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

@Trappist the monk: I have looked up OCLC (Worldcat) and the only libraries that seem to have this book are in the United States or in Japan. I am residing in Germany. --Goroth (talk) 22:11, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

July 24

Please include my name as a candidate in the 2026 CA gubernatorial election

Dear Wikipedia helpdesk, My name is Raji Rab I have the honor to be an official candidate in the 2026 California gubernatorial election. I most respectfully request that my name please be included in the list on your good website as an officially declared candidate in the CA 2026 gubernatorial election. Thanks Rajirabforussenate (talk) 00:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

You will need to provide independent reliable sources that discuss your candidacy, or wait for the election results when the number of votes you receive can be displayed. We do not necessarily list any and all candidates just because. 331dot (talk) 00:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Request to add my name in the list of candidates in the California 2026 gubernatorial election

Former 2024 U.S. Senate candidate Raji Rab officially announced his candidacy to run for the office of Governor in the state of California and started his campaign attended by a large gathering of over 2000 supporters in Culver City CA.

Raji Rab is an accomplished seasoned aviator, owned and operated an Airline and an advanced computer infrastructure facility. Rab has served a lifetime finding happiness in helping people without any compensation, earning the respect of all. Raji Rab is well known throughout California for voicing public interest, human rights, and civil rights for over the past 23 years.

https://www.facebook.com/SFNewsfeedus/posts/pfbid02e7vhWXV6dADS1x3UP3GM8vHANQNU5aYBuGZkYYjbiA8P5jffWf6doWGeuVCbSduMl Rabraji (talk) 01:51, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Already answered above. Please do not ask the same question twice. AndyTheGrump (talk) 01:55, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Kamala Harris is NOT the 49th VP

She IS 46th currently. 172.223.122.78 (talk) 00:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. The best place for this discussion is on the article's talk page. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · contribs · email) 00:17, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

There have been 46 presidents, and I suspect that the OP may be working on the assumption that one president = one vice president. Some presidents have had more than one VP. FDR comes to mind, he had three. Net result 46 presidents, 49 vice presidents.Bdempsey1 (talk) 03:23, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Abraham Lincoln had two vice presidents, Hannibal Hamlin and Andrew Johnson. I hate to second guess such a great man, but he should have stuck with Hamlin in 1864. Cullen328 (talk) 08:33, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

List of vice presidents of the United States agrees with you. I'm a little surprised there haven't been more. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:13, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Some presidents have also had no VP(Chester Arthur) as there was no mechanism to replace the VP until (relatively) recently. 331dot (talk) 07:20, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Andrew Johnson also had no vice president. Cullen328 (talk) 21:00, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

When will published Article be found in Wikipedia search?

I have moved and article from my User sandbox to the main encyclopedia Matthew Baker (Entertainer, born 1981). Are there ways to expedite the process to make the article searchable in Wikipedia search engine? Mlondon101 (talk) 00:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

It needs to be reviewed by a new page patroller, all of whom are volunteers. Do you have a particular need for this to be done quickly? 331dot (talk) 00:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

@Mlondon101: The above reply only applies to indexing by external search engines like Google. It's already in Wikipedia's own search engine. If you mean Matthew Baker then it's not a search feature but a manually edited disambiguation page. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:49, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter I did mean Wikipedia search engine. When I initially clicked to edit the disambiguation page the pop-up notice made me think it had to be added by a page patroller. I have now added Matt Baker (entertainer) to the diambiguation page. I'm a bit new to the article creation process, but getting the hang of it. @331dot There's no rush for it to appear in external search engines. Thanks for the help. Mlondon101 (talk) 01:03, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

How do you edit a page name?

Churchill Retirement Living rebranded to Churchill Living on 1st July 2024, however I can not work out out to change the page name. Any ideas? Churchill Retirement Living

https://www.churchill-living.co.uk/news/churchill-retirement-living-news/churchill-retirement-rebrands-to-churchill-living/ https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/06260373 WhiteHaidee (talk) 10:27, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

@WhiteHaidee pages are 'renamed' by moving them. You can make requests for page moves at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 10:29, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - I will give it go! WhiteHaidee (talk) 10:35, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Citation needed tag on article, but the information requested is already provided. How to fix?

Hello. I have just been reading through the article concerning Mike Smith, the late BBC Radio DJ and TV presenter. Under the section of the article concerning "Personal life", one sentence is terminated by a {{fact}} tag. The statement made which has been flagged, however, already has the information requested, provided by another reference on the same page.

Is it safe to remove the fact tag, because the info is already present? If not, how should I correct the article to point the fact tag, to the correct reference in the page please?

Thank you. Dane|Geld 12:24, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

If one of the page's references supports the sentence, then you can cite that source again at the end of the sentence. The Visual Editor has an easy way to re-use references. I have less experience with the Source Editor, but WP:REFNAME might help – you basically give the reference a shorthand name and use that name for citations (aka footnotes) after the first one. Perception312 (talk) 12:37, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try and see how I fair. I work better in the source editor, so i'll have a read of the info first. I think the reference I need to use already has a shorthand name given to it. If I get stuck, I'll come back. Dane|Geld 13:11, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Mtl-371

Is it possible to contact a contributor to Wiki? He has some great credentials related to stainless steel chemistry, and I would like to discuss with him. Lenmac36 (talk) 18:09, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

@Lenmac36: To contact a user, you may leave a note on their user talk page, such as User_talk:Mtl-371. In this case, that editor has not edited for quite some time, so you may not get a reply. RudolfRed (talk) 18:22, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

A Gaelic Blessing

(I apologize if this is not the correct place for this. I do not edit Wikipedia a lot.) I have found that this article has some misinformation:

1. The poem is not called "The Amada". In the original source, "The Amadan" (with an "n") is the title of the chapter, and the poem actually starts from the previous page.
2. The explanation about the meaning of the supposed "Amada" in Latin and Sanskrit are also pure nonsense. It is explained in the beginning of the chapter that "The Amadan" means "the fool", as can be seen in wikt:amadan#Scottish Gaelic.

Should I just edit the page directly? The section containing the poem allegedly entitled "The Amada" would probably need to change to something like "the poem in the book" (in lowercase letters because the poem has no title), and would need to include the contents from the previous page. --Kc kennylau (talk) 19:34, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Kc kennylau. Yes, in general, you can just correct things in articles that you think are wrong.

But, you should be aware of a few things:

1. You need to look at whether the information you are changing is cited to a reliable source: if it is you should not necessarily change it. Here, the source it is cited to says (as you say) "The Amadan", so you can change it. The Latin and Sanskrit claims are not cited at all, so you are entitled to remove them.
2. Information you add should normally be cited to a reliable source: your own knowledge is not enough. Note that Wiktionary (like Wikipedia) is not a reliable source, as it is user-generated. You could cite a reliable dictionary that "amadán" is Irish for "fool" - but note that that would not of itself establish that that was the meaning of the title. However, it looks as if the text of the "Fiona McLeod" book does support the interpretation.
3. (More generally) as long as you are editing in good faith, the worst that can happen, if somebody disagrees that your edit is an improvement, is that they will revert it. If that happens, you are encouraged to open a discussion with them on the article's talk page. If you think that your edit is likely to be contentious (probably not the case here!) then it is worth opening that discussion first, before making the edit. See BRD for how this works.

ColinFine (talk) 20:08, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Thank you for the guidance. I have edited the page. --Kc kennylau (talk) 22:41, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

Successfully nominating a list of files at WP:FFD

I am seeking to nominate File:Neal Gladstone Radio Show 02.mp3 and others at FFD, and have created a nomination just now at Wikipedia:Files for discussion/2024 July 24#File:Neal Gladstone Radio Show 02.mp3.

Having apparently successfully nominated the file plus others (I used Twinkle) I looked at the file page. It has grabbed the nomination details of a file two files above on the FFD page.

How should I proceed, please? And how do I place the nomination on each of the listed files 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:39, 24 July 2024 (UTC)