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Wikiproject Golf
Do you have any templates for the course articles? I would be willing to help out if I had some direction. Sven Erixon 23:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to figure out how to make a template, if anyone could help, give me a yell here. Thanks, Grover 07:40, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
- Try visiting the WikiProject Council. There is lots of material on setting up a project and its different components. --Aguerriero (talk) 19:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
- Grover, thanks for your efforts in establishing and "getting the ball rolling" in respect to Wikiproject Golf. Several months ago, I proposed on Wikiproject Golfers that we select one of our golfer bio articles and try to get it elevated to featured status. I see where you and others have proposed a similar idea on Wikiproject Golf. I am also interested in sharks and collaborated with several other shark editors in getting one of our articles elevated to featured status (Oceanic whitetip shark). I think the first step is deciding which golf related article to select. Take a look at my proposal on Wikiproject Golfers. I'll let you take the lead on developing a similar proposal on Wikiproject Golf because the subject of golf is more comprehensive than just Golfer bio's that I had addressed earlier. --Hokeman 16:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
I tried to use one of your templates for an infobox when I created Liberty National Golf Club, but only half the box appeared, could you help me fix it?JakeH07 (talk) 20:04, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Infobox
Hi, thanks for your comments on Moray Golf Course. I'll be beefing up this article shortly but I'm not sure that the infobox is neccessarily the best design nor if it contains all the relevant items. If some sort of concensus could be obtained then I will try and get a template for it. Thanks again --Bill Reid | Talk 08:08, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks very much for updating the selected article; I've let the portal sit dormant for much too long. I'll be updating the news in the next day or two and the DYK and selected items in the next several days, and thereafter will drop you another note in order that I might see whether you should be interested in assuming responsibility for updating any or all of the sundry portal components. Whilst one should, of course, always be bold and update pages across any namespace where necessary, and whilst one surely does not own any particular page, it often happens that portals are best served where one user serves as a principal editor, largely because it is generally best that all sections (save that for the news) be updated contemporaneously and inasmuch as such sections are ideally stylistically similar (I, for example, rewrite every selected article, biography, and image, such that they are [prolixly] distinct). Although I've begun work on the news section, the DYK, and the selected bio, I haven't anything prepared for the update to be undertaken in mid- to late January (there seems, IMHO, to be a consensus toward the proposition that each selected item should be updated monthly, but portals sometimes fall into disrepair and are updated much less frequently; see, e.g., my dereliction relative to this one!), and so your assuming some or all tasks would be quite great. In any event, I'll drop you a more substantive note sometime soon... :) Joe 18:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
- On that note, when I do update the news directly, I will likely rework the text of the selected image and article, about which I hope you won't mind. I'll surely preserve your choices, but I think it always appropriate that a selected image, article, or biography be rewritten in order that a reader happening upon it should be presented with a wider array of quality links he/she might then follow to articles he/she might elect to edit (see, for example, the difference between the portal version of the Stableford article and its instant version). In any case, I'll finish work on the various sections in a day or two and will then, as promised, drop by once more in order that we might collaborate straightaway. Cheers in the meanwhile, Joe 06:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
Wikipedia Week
The best existing proposal I can, in my own limited way, think of for the previously discussed "appreciation week" can now be found at User talk:Badbilltucker/Appreciation Week#Wikipedia Week. Any comments or responses would be more than welcome. Badbilltucker 15:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
RE: Newsletter
I thought I would give some feedback. I like the newsletter idea, and what was in the first one was informative and useful. Doing a monthly newsletter is a good idea to keep everyone up to speed. Thanks! - • The Giant Puffin • 13:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the compliment
Thanks for mentioning that the infobox on Jack Nicklaus's page looks pretty good on Wikiproject Golf. I had created that version for other players (ie Arnold Palmer, Byron Nelson, Ben Hogan, Gary Player) because I felt it was more organized and better especially for retired/deceased golfers. Supertigerman 03:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
Check Out My Sandbox Projects
Greetings ....
Working on a couple of projects. Feel free to glance them over.
Thanx-A-Lot and Enjoy, Frank
Fgf2007 23:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Nicklaus Assessment
Grover - I think the Nicklaus article probably is reaching high B or higher than B status, but WP:Bio policy is no listing higher than B until an article earns GA. So my suggestion - nominate it! Mocko13 01:26, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanking the Giant Puffin
You thanked him twice on the newsletter, but all he did was nominate the article. Tewapack, you, and I are the ones who actively contributed to the article and did all the researching and formatting. Doesn't really matter though, The Giant Puffin's a good lad.Supertigerman 16:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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Project tagging
No, I'll check the subcategories by myself ;-) However, I need a link to where the wikiproject has decided to tag the pages. Not that I don't trust you, but since I had problems in the past (wikipedian that I trusted asking me to tag 2,5K articles and when I start SnowBot it got blocked because the wikiproject has decided not to tag 'em) ;-).
I saw that you're also considering sending a newsletter, if you need, SnowBot can handle it (but I would have to ask for a new task to be added).
Have a nice day,
Snowolf (talk) CON COI - 10:40, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm very sorry of having forgotten of the tagging :-(. All right, I'll deal with it ASAP. Actually the code that the bot should be add is
{{Wikiproject Golf |class= |importance= }}
? Snowolf (talk) CON COI - 23:17, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the comments. I removed the extra hole info from the score card, it seemed extra to me too but the club had it on their scorcard online. If you have a chance after your finals (I have one more myself and shouldn't be editing) if you could take care of the assesment on the club too, that would be appreciated. And if WikiGolf gets a To Create section started you might want to add Bob Cupp (Robert A. Cupp) to it as I think there will be ten or so articles that would link to it. Thanks again, and good luck with cramming. Aboutmovies 19:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
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Byron Nelson
I saw you nominated Byron Nelson's article for GA status. However, simply by looking at the length of the page and the level of description, I thought it was barely B status. I think it will take much more time for it to be considered a GA candidate. Supertigerman 23:06, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Byron Nelson GA Review
I have reviewed the Byron Nelson article have have put the GA Review on hold. For more info visit the article's talk page.
- The article looks about ready to go GA, but I have one concern still. I'm not this picky, but I know others are. The sentence that now reads, "There has been debate to how impressive these results are, as it was believed to be a weakened tour due to the war." Who believed this? I assume they believed this because players were fighting in the war, but what made you come to this conclusion over 60 years after the occurance? Even if you were around then you can't site your own views because it would then be original research. I hate to be so picky, but if I don't bring it up someone else can later and have it delisted. BTW, you've done a great job on the article! - Theophilus75 14:34, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
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WikiProject Golf Newsletter Automated Delivery
Hello Grover. I see that you usually manually distribute the WP:GOLF newsletter using AWB. Would you rather my bot do it, so it's automatically distributed? If so, just tell me when it's usually delivered, and if it's subst'ed or not. I'll do the rest with my bot. --R ParlateContribs@ (Let's Go Yankees!) 18:44, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
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Golf article ratings
Hey, I see you have accessed some articles. I am not 100% sure how to access articles well. I was wondering if you could access Charles Howell III, Martin Kaymer and Rory McIlroy. Thanks, michfan2123 03:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks man. Knocking out assessments gets annoying, hehe. I have been going through the unassessed and marking articles as stubs if they are obviously stubs. I think I know the difference between stub and start but after that it gets confusing. I will pick it up eventually. Seeing Jack Nicklaus featured would really be something, I hope we do it. Cheers, michfan2123 04:40, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
What would you rate this article, I think it is start, wondering if it is a B. Callaway Golf Company michfan2123 (talk) 18:28, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. I noticed that when I checked today, assessing them takes forever though. We should nominate Jack Nicklaus to be the FA, how is that done?michfan2123 (talk) 07:15, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I will try to add to it as best I can. michfan2123 (talk) 18:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
- What do you think of this? 1895-1899 U.S. Open Golf Championship. michfan2123 (talk) 05:10, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
That is a good idea. The New York Times archives are so awesome. Scorecard of the winner of the 1895 Open!!! michfan2123 (talk) 14:26, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
- I added some references to Martin Kaymer, what do you think, is it a B article? I also added refs to Rory McIlroy. michfan2123 (talk) 03:46, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
Awesome michfan2123 (talk) 04:01, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
World Cup
I made an article for it. 2007 OMEGA Mission Hills World Cup What do you think? michfan2123 (talk) 16:16, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks, I will do that. michfan2123 (talk) 04:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
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Re. WikiProject report
If you're interested, you might ask Arknascar44 if he has time to do it. If he does, I do agree that you should let him do it; however, he's been busy with other issues, he's said, over the past few weeks, so he may or may not be able to do it for next week. Ral315 (talk) 10:17, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Barnstar
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- Thanks for finishing those off - it's the one thing I've been unable to do as the computer I'm using at work crashes at the mere thought of such a large spreadsheet! I think you deserve another barnstar for you efforts, so here goes:
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Pastmasterdb
I did not realize he added a productive edit. I looked at his last edit and saw this so I reverted. My mistake.
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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for August 2008
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Corythepaperboy, Hiram111, Yozzer66, and Lugnuts joined the alternative music fold during August.
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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for September 2008
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ThinkBlue joined the alternative music fold during September.
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WikiProject Rock music Newsletter for October 2008
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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for October 2008
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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for November 2008
Issue 20 - November 2008 | |
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A Stop at Willoughby and Trap The Drum Wonder joined the alternative music fold during November.
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WikiProject Alternative Music Newsletter for December 2008
Issue 21 - December 2008 | |
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Papa November and S. Dean Jameson joined the alternative music fold during December.
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SoxBot II (talk) 17:44, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
LPGA International Golf Course
I created a new article for LPGA International and would appreciate it if you could take a look and rate the importance before the AfD Squad notices it... LOL. I rated it Start Class for now. Gamweb (talk) 08:06, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
- Don't worry about AfD for this article, it's definately notable enough :) Grovermj 10:38, 31 January 2009 (UTC)