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Flag of Ireland

Certain Users have unilaterally moved the Flag of Ireland to the Flag of the Republic of Ireland (and made the former a DAB page). I believe this was done without consensus and should be reverted. Regards. Redking7 (talk) 22:38, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This follows the consensus that the state of Ireland should be at the page Republic of Ireland Traditional unionist (talk) 22:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is no consensus that the state should be at Republic of Ireland, only a lack of consensus that it should be moved. This page move seems to have followed an RM, so it was done fairly; still, I think it was unfortunate, for reasons I have given before. Scolaire (talk) 07:18, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where was the notice for this proposed move posted? I don't see it here on WikiProject Ireland, or at the Talk:Ireland page? It's hardly consensus if the article was moved in secret... --HighKing (talk) 21:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree with HighKing because I did not see anything about this anywhere except after the fact. It seemed to me like an underhand secret move that should be challenged. Where do we do that? TU is wrong - there is no consensus for this - should be does not a consensus make. Flag of Ireland is correct and the dab page might appropriately be called Flags of Ireland. ww2censor (talk) 22:18, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In general the procedure would be to wait 14 days after the move (23 October) and file another RM. The catch is that a move back is more likely to fail for lack of consensus if there is any significant opposition. Having said that, the move does look a bit dodgy on re-reading it - it seems to be based on Number 57's reading of the arguments more than on consensus. However, any new move proposal would want to be very carefully worded to be reasonably sure of success. Scolaire (talk) 07:33, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Audio pronunciation of Irish language article titles

Hi, is there anyone out there who could provide an audio pronunciation for those articles with Irish language titles, e.g. Taoiseach, Tánaiste, Áras an Uachtaráin, Dáil Éireann, Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael, etc but it could cover all entries in Category:Entities with Irish names. I could do it myself but I am not a native speaker so I'm sure there would be objections! So if you or someone you know could record the pronunciations and upload them to wikipedia that would be great! Tx, Snappy56 (talk) 06:48, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There might equally be trouble if it was done by somebody with too strong a regional accent (e.g. Donegal or Dingle). A non-native speaker would be more likely to use the Caighdeán, and this might actually be the safer option in the end. Scolaire (talk) 07:50, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's a good point, I myself find native speakers from Donegal quite hard to understand. The best option would be somebody with a "neutral" accent (however that might be defined) but then again it might be better to have some audio files with any accent rather than nothing as is the case at present. Snappy56 (talk) 11:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What I'm really saying is that if you yourself are confident that your pronunciation is all right, then maybe you should go for it. Scolaire (talk) 14:06, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks but I'd rather not inflict my voice on the Wikipedia, its not very "radio-friendly". Snappy56 (talk) 07:32, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I could give it a whirl. I have a Donegal accent, although it is not a strong accent and is quite easy to understand I hope. Although I'm used to it. I'm sure, no matter what accent, if we were to speak slowly...--Theosony (talk) 18:16, 4 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Help wanted for GAR

Ireland has been nominated for a good article reassessment. Articles are typically reviewed for one week. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to good article quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Reviewers' concerns are here. Can the wiki project assist in removing the few issues and getting the flagship article returned to GA? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZincBelief (talk • contribs) 10:31, 21 October 2008

Requested move on the Flag of Ireland

Having read over the discussion on the recent move and the concerns expressed, I have begun a move request on the flag. Your comments would be welcome here. --Domer48_'fenian' 18:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot believe that this move took place in the first place. There was clearly no consensus (notwithstanding the lame efforts of the admin to artificially increase the support count). Is there a process for reporting this bad move like ANI or something? --HighKing (talk) 13:22, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There was no consensus to move it; the result should have been no consensus. That WP:IE was not informed is also a mitigating factor in why it should not have been moved. While I’m here, why is disambiguation needed between Ireland and Northern Ireland, two totally different names. Why are we using Republic of Ireland for the name of the country when Irish Constitutional Law states that the country’s name is Ireland? Example, Kerry is in Ireland, Derry is in Northern Ireland. Ridiculous article names such as Economy of the Republic of Ireland. What is that all about? Could an editor please explain to me why this is? Thanks.--Domer48_'fenian' 13:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just some examples Politics of the Republic of Ireland, Economy of the Republic of Ireland, History of the Republic of Ireland and so forth, why is this necessary? "Disambiguation in Wikipedia is the process of resolving conflicts in article titles that occur when a single term can be associated with more than one topic, making that term likely to be the natural title for more than one article. In other words, disambiguations are paths leading to different articles which could, in principle, have the same title." So why is disambiguation necessary between Ireland and Northern Ireland, totally different names? So using the above example, what is wrong with Politics of Ireland? --Domer48_'fenian' 14:02, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd recommend changing the horse before the carts folks. Ya'll gotta be careful about these 'page movements' as AE is out there watching. GoodDay (talk) 14:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hang on GoodDay, we didn't move any articles! The article was moved without consensus. Take a look at the original Move Request and see if there was a consensus. Let me know what you think (and read the comments section below too). BTW, do you think AE would relate this to the troubles too? :-) If so, that's also pretty ridiculous... --HighKing (talk) 14:29, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AE are not concerned about reasoned, reasonable and informed discussion. They will step in though if editors start to edit war over these issues. I would like to think that they would also intervene if editors abuse the talk page guidelines and become uncivil or engage in personal attacks. You may also have noticed how no one opposed has yet to address the rational I have used to request the move.

My rational is basically apples and oranges. They are both fruit, but clearly different. You have Ireland, and then you have Northern Ireland with completely different names. Any reasonable person looking for an article on the Politics of Ireland would not search for Politics of the Republic of Ireland. Likewise with Northern Ireland. --Domer48_'fenian' 14:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unless you're British and have grown up all your life hearing the state called "Republic of Ireland". It's a pity that editors from other countries don't pipe up more. --HighKing (talk) 14:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If that is the case with British editors, a re-direct would sort it out. We don't have to change the official name of a country? Do you not think so? --Domer48_'fenian' 14:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In general there is no disambiguation needed between Ireland and Northern Ireland. Article names should normally be quite clear (though some of them are as they are for Wikipedia-historical reasons). However, when discussing details of who did or said what - especially when discussing matters that affect more than one of UK / Britain / Ireland / Northern Ireland, then disambiguation can be essential. It's especially hard to see this when one was involved in the original writing, if only because what you meant is more obvious to you than to a new reader. I don't like politically motivated terminology, or ugly and clumsy phraseology - but ambiguity is worse, in an encyclopaedia. - Paul (talk) 17:53, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An example might help to illustrate my point. In the search bar, type in US or USA and both bring you to United States. Ireland should be the same don't you think? We need re-directs not disambiguation. How many Americans us the name Republic of Ireland? --Domer48_'fenian' 15:07, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My responses left on respective editors talk-pages. Couldn't get through here, ha ha. GoodDay (talk) 15:10, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. --Domer48_'fenian' 15:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Part 3 Talk:Flag_of_Ireland#Requested_move

Attempt to ban "Nationalist" from discussions

Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Nationalist_nonsense_in_AfDs.2C_RMs_etc Gnevin (talk) 10:31, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to move Ireland to Ireland (island), etc

It has been proposed that Ireland should be moved to Ireland (island) and Republic of Ireland to Ireland. To comment, please visit Talk:Republic of Ireland#Proposed move. Angus McLellan (Talk) 12:18, 30 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New Ireland project

Hi all,
I've started a new Ireland related project which I hope will bridge a gap I feel exists between the two Wiki community's with an interest in Ireland related matters. The project has just started but I hope it will allow us to work together at first on uncontroversial articles such as Sports in Ireland and if successful I hope will allow for a more constructive and friendly approach to the controversial issues. Gnevin (talk) 17:08, 31 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When you say "I've started...", have you actually communicated with anybody from the other Wikiprojects? If so, has anybody expressed an interest in joining, and who? Scolaire (talk) 09:12, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was Being bold. I've informed wikiproject Ireland, Northern Ireland, Republicanism and Unionism .Is their any other related project that should be informed? .So far 2 people have said its has merit but if no one is interested then so be it Gnevin (talk) 12:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think the suggestion has merit, and should be explored more. Bringing in all of the projects has not been done thus far, and could possibly advance goals (improving the Articles) in a neutral and constructive setting. --Domer48_'fenian' 09:50, 1 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I really like this idea in principle, but ... the problem I see is that most of the projects involved are not very active, so there's not much scope for the collaboration which we'd all like to see. For example, Gnevin's post about the new project was only the fifth edit to WT:NIR in the whole of the month of October, and that project's talk page is more of an occasionally-used noticeboard than a place of discussion. Similarly, WT:IR had only 4 posts in the whole of October.

I know that Gnevin is a great consensus-builder, and I'd love to see this work, but at the moment it seems to me that there just ain't enough people involved in any of the Irish wikiprojects to keep them doing anything more than ticking over. So I fear that despite the manifest good intentions, the circumstances will leave the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration as an empty vessel. :( --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:21, 3 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I also support the concept, but agree with BHG (good to see you!) that, given the numbers, and levels of activity, there may not be enough to power it. The existing Wikiprojects are only moving gradually, and, especially with some of what resource there is available caught up in long-running debates, I am not sure if what capacity there is might not be better directed to raising overall article range and quality. But the idea is worth preserving, pending enough people and time. SeoR (talk) 12:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How to list an Article for scrapping (Flags...)

A new article has just been started called Flag of the island of Ireland. I would like to list it for scrapping/merger. Where does one go to do that? Regards. Redking7 (talk) 22:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AfD is the place to nominate an article for deletion. ww2censor (talk) 22:07, 4 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is some useful and interesting information there (it's a complex and subtle subject), though the article needs work, and the title could have been better chosen. Flags of Ireland, or Flags in Ireland, or Irish flags, perhaps? - Paul (talk) 18:02, 5 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Letterkenny

I've some Irish towns on my watchlist and following one IP with strange edits I ended at the article about Letterkenny. Here I reverted a series of edits which added more insignificant details about crime incidents in the Letterkenny area to a crime section which seems to me already overblown with cases that date back to 2005. Apparently the same editor reverted it back afterwards and I undid his or her edit once more. There was some dispute about this section one year ago including an edit war where the crime section was subsequently blanked and restored (see, for example, this removing edit, followed by this restoring edit and this entry on the talk page). I do not want to open a new edit war in that article but would appreciate if some of you could take a look at this. Thanks, AFBorchert (talk) 09:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Diplomatic missions of Ireland

There is a discussion taking place on the above page over whether or not to list the "Republic of China" or "Taiwan" on the list of Ireland's diplomatic missions. Feel free to read up on the topic and then contribute your views as as there is a deadlock at the moment. Regards. Redking7 (talk) 21:17, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Religious shrines of Ireland

Until now I have only been an occassional contributor to Wikipedia.

However, I have become quite enthusiastic recently and intend contributing as much as possible to articles about the religious shrines of Ireland and other subjects of interest to me.Fr. Slat O Bodach (talk) 18:53, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Really? Would you be the same person who added this [1] and this [2] ? Snappy (talk) 22:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Those edits were probably made by one of my many children. Their names are very similar to mine and they impersonate me from time to time. Fr. Slat O Bodach (talk) 17:37, 19 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

– This was yet another sock of Bell V Bell, now banned. Snappy (talk) 02:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Map needed

Indo-Irish relations Needs a map for the lead. It would be great is someone could add it.

Page moves: Ireland and Republic of Ireland

Apparently the Ireland disambiguation task force is very close to a consensus to move Ireland to Ireland (island) and Republic of Ireland to Ireland (state). Apparently, also, this would not require a requested move - see here. Discussion is on the talk page, where there are multiple polls going on simultaneously. Scolaire (talk) 09:43, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussions at: Talk:Ireland (disambiguation)#Proposed move to Ireland and Talk:Ireland#Proposed move to Ireland (island). All interested parties welcome to comment. Rockpocket 01:24, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland proposals - important update

There is currently a 'joint' Requested Move proposal, here at Ireland Talk, that proposes moving Ireland to Ireland (island), and removing the forked 'Irish state/country' material that has appeared over the years (including additional material on Northern Ireland). The Republic of Ireland would then be the principle article for the Irish state/country, as it was originally intended to be. Concurrently, Ireland (disambiguation) would be Moved to the vacated Ireland, so the many uses of 'Ireland' that refer to the country/state (along with those uses referring to the geographical/island use), would now offer the reader a choice of destination.

The Move was based on ongoing discussion at the Ireland disambiguation taskforce (see its Talk page specifically).

In addition to the above Requested Move proposal, there are alternative suggestions currently underway at the taskforce Talk, such as changing the direction of the two main Ireland articles simply by editing them, including most recently; 1) Promoting Ireland as the official country/state article (not Republic of Ireland), and building up Ireland (island) as a geographical/island article, and of 2) Ensuring Ireland is a geographical/island article only (and so removing much of the forked country/state-related material). Neither of those options would require Ireland (disambiguation) to be moved to Ireland.

If you support (or reject) the disambiguation page option for Ireland, please vote in the Requested Move poll, or perhaps consider commenting at the taskforce on one of the other options. As some options are 'edit-only' (and do not need to be polled), it is looking likely that something could be moved on.

In good faith, --Matt Lewis (talk) 17:52, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: controversial multi-page move

An RfC on the recent multi-page move has been opened at Talk:Ireland#RfC: controversial multi-page move. --89.101.221.42 (talk) 10:38, 1 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of Irish people in World War II

Irish editors might have a view on this: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Irish people in World War II. Folks at 137 (talk) 19:54, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

cat: irish cuisine

hello, wp:ireland. i set to improving the article on coddle last night, but got a bit carried away and also created Template:Cuisine of Ireland. at the moment it's mostly packet and tripe and black pudding and the like, but if anyone wants to add to it, feel free :) --00:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

List of Irish people

"Move from noticeboard to here" ww2censor (talk) 06:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article List of Irish people‎ has been redirected (read: removed) by User:John. I would like to challenge what might be an arbitrary move, but will be going on holidays shortly so can't follow up. Maybe someone may be interested in investigating? Hohenloh⁺04:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's no appetite to improve it apparently as it sat unreferenced for a month. If it could be rebuilt with references that would be fine with me, of course. But I don't feel comfortable with a list with no verifiability. Talk:List of Irish people‎ is a good place to discuss this. --John (talk) 07:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I removed the redirect, and pointed out on Talk:List of Irish people‎ that there are about 150 Lists of people by nationality, NONE of which appear to be referenced. If the editor has a problem with this list format, I respectfully suggest taking it up with the MoS or whoever handles things like this, and not start blazing a trail (with the best of intentions of course), by removing the Irish. Hohenloh⁺00:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You restored an article which is full of unverified assertion of nationality/ethnicity, and (as a quick look will reveal) full of errors. It would be better to do without an "article" like this than to perpetuate it in such an awful state. I have no reason to believe that lists are exempt from our policy on verifiability; if you do then let's see it. --John (talk) 05:35, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image Requests

There seems to be an inordinate amount of "image requests" for articles dealing with Ireland. I think many articles do not need an image or no image could be provided. For example what possible image could you use for the Civil Service of Ireland, as the article says it a collective term. Also you have people that are semi-mythological like Ailill_Aulom and Conall_Cernach, where no image could be provided as probably none exist.

I also would like to suggest that image requests be grouped under places, buildings, people etc. It would make it easier for people (myself included) to quickly find categories that need images that I can go out and take and not have to search through hundreds of requests for anything recognisable. If it was reorganised it would be simple matter to create a group on Flickr dedicated to creating CC images for these articles. Is there any group here activly trying to provide images for articles?

Jaqian (talk) 17:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lists of townlands

Are articles like List of townlands in County Kilkenny encyclopedic from an Irish perspective? If not, would someone PROD and PROD2 this? If so, would someone complete the set so the entire country is represented?

By the way, if you do complete the set, please use manageable-sized sections. 160KB in a single section is a bit much to edit. It was worse, it was a 400KB+ non-wikified table when it started. How do you say "Uggh!" in Gaelic? davidwr/(talk)/(contribs)/(e-mail) 03:55, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This list seems to be an exact copy of the search result for the county from the source on the page and it is the only such list at present. What real use is it? All townlands with articles are listed by category based on the counties, so basically it is a list of names that will likely never have a link for each townland and most will remain tiny stubs anyway. I would favour an AfD. ww2censor (talk) 06:17, 30 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will Split it into more managable sections. On another note two other county townland lists exist for Monaghan and Down but do not contain much info about where the townland is, a country wide set would be possible but would take a while also my area is more Kilkenny than anywhere else Ω ENGLISH LOCK Ω 10:59, 31 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Northern Irish people

I have started a discussion here with regards making a change to the name of the Category.--Vintagekits (talk) 23:52, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sports flags

There are currently a number of sports flags being used for Ireland related sports teams , a WP:CON has already been reached to remove the Rugby union flag as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Help_the_reader_rather_than_decorate. The following flags I feel are also Wikipedia inventions . Can you please provide a reference for the flags below usage outside wiki or I will be requesting a bot run to remove them and replace with the plain text link .

{{fb|Ireland}} → Ireland (football, 1882-1922)
{{cr|Ireland}} → Ireland (cricket) Keep ref found[3]
{{ru|Ireland}} → Ireland (rugby union) Remove Con to remove
{{rl|Ireland}} → Ireland (rugby league) Change Uses tricolour links below
{{fh|Ireland}} → Ireland (field hockey) Keep ref found [4]
{{ih|Ireland}} → Ireland (ice hockey) Change Uses tricolour as per [5] Gnevin (talk) 00:42, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(football, 1882-1922) is as far as I know, NOT a wikipedia made flag. But the Irish part of the UK at the time? — CHAN DLER ^#10 — 16:06, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for not being clear , the issue with the football flag is was it used by the IFA at the time ? Gnevin (talk) 16:12, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On the NHL articles, we use

for the Republic of Ireland players. GoodDay (talk) 16:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So it is safe to remove {{ih|Ireland}} ? Gnevin (talk) 17:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know. GoodDay (talk) 17:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot find a biographical article below Category:Irish ice hockey players that uses a flag icon besides Canada or UK/GB. Also the Ireland national ice hockey team hasnt been around very long, it seems. However, a search revealed to me that the clover flag is used in some 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2007 world championship articles. I dont know why. It is not used in 2008, and Ireland is not found on iihf.com before those championships. Maybe there used to be irish players in "Team Great Britain". There are also clover flag on the 2003, 2004, 2005 and 2006 world ranking and Div II / Div III main world championship articles. --Bamsefar75 (talk) 12:41, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The cricket flag was the logo of the Irish Cricket Union, but since changing their name to Cricket Ireland, they've now got a different logo. Andrew nixon (talk) 16:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So should we keep {{cr|Ireland}} or do they have a new flag? Gnevin (talk) 17:04, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

(ec)Btw, I can't seem to find the discussion about the Rugby union flag and I would wonder if WP:RU has been involved?... Because for me the flags of the teams representing the whole of Ireland are there not to decorate but to differentiate from the Republic of Ireland. When it comes to any hard proof for the cross being used for football, I don't have any, but others might have. — CHAN DLER ^#10 — 16:26, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RU discussion. The above flags are being suggested for removal as per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(icons)#Inventing_new_icons. Can you find someone with even weak proof for the flag . Gnevin (talk) 16:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't even know what you need proof for? Every nations flag is used to represent the national football teams in FIFA, and from what I can understand, the cross was the flag of Ireland within the UK at the time, just as the flag of England is still. — CHAN DLER ^#10 — 17:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ireland didn't have an official flag from 1882 to 1922 , then it split in two and the free state and the north had a flag. Wiki needs proof that the IFA used the cross flag otherwise its just WP:OR Gnevin (talk) 19:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rugby league, it seems league is using the tricolour [6][7] I am aware forums aren't great sources but here are some more [8][9] . Would anyone be opposed to the 4 province flag being changed to tricolour? Gnevin (talk) 22:35, 18 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Split {{Ireland topics}}

Ireland seems to the only country in Category:"Country/Territory_topics"_templates with this kind of formatting .I suggest we change it to be more like Template:Northern_Ireland_topics or Template:Saudi Arabia topics and make it ROI only Gnevin (talk) 03:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the template should continue to cover the whole island of Ireland. The History, Geography and Culture sections are full of topics covering the whole island – for example languages, music, cuisine, sport, or the lists of loughs, rivers, mountains, provinces, counties, cities etc. Politics is the only section that should be divided between the north and south, and it is already. I also propose that template Northern Ireland be absorbed into template Ireland – again, its full of topics that extend to the rest of the island. ~Asarlaí 14:00, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

John O'Connell (MP) ???

... born in 1801 or 1810 ??? --giorces (talk) 12:39, 18 January 2009 (UTC) mail[reply]

The Italian Wikipedia has the correct date, it's 1810. I've tried to improve this page. Strawless ^(talk) 00:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Cowen

The article of Our Beloved Leader / Spawn of Satan (Delete where applicable) is the subject of a good old fashioned edit war. Most amusing addition so far, the phrase "until his unexpected death in 1984" on Bernard Cowen. It is currently unknown if Bernard Cowen was planning on being immortal and then something went wrong. Wade in if you feel like it! Snappy (talk) 11:28, 5 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Terminology of TDs and the Oireachtas

I think I have found a problem in our current usage of terminology wrt TDs and the Oireachtas. Comments welcome at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Ireland-related articles)#The_people_in_the_Oireachtas. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 03:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed move of Names of the Irish state

On the basis that there never has been a the sole Irish state. Talk:Names of the Irish state ~ R.T.G 18:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gweedore / Gaoth Dobhair

User:Sarah777 has just moved Gweedore to Gaoth Dobhair, County Donegal, which is in contravention of the WP:Manual_of_Style_(Ireland-related_articles), despite there not being consensus on the move (see the talk page). The MOS says "Where the English and Irish names are different, and the Irish name is the official name, but has not yet gained favour in English usage, use the English name" and this is the case for Gweedore; look at the links at the bottom of the page, where the Irish versions all say Gaoth Dobhair and the English versions all say Gweedore. Sure, the Indian articles are all at names like Kolkata rather than Calcutta, but (just as an example), we have an article on Munich not Munchen. Different languages have different names for places. Either change the MOS, or abide by it. Chris (talk) 09:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinators' working group

Hi! I'd like to draw your attention to the new WikiProject coordinators' working group, an effort to bring both official and unofficial WikiProject coordinators together so that the projects can more easily develop consensus and collaborate. This group has been created after discussion regarding possible changes to the A-Class review system, and that may be one of the first things discussed by interested coordinators.

All designated project coordinators are invited to join this working group. If your project hasn't formally designated any editors as coordinators, but you are someone who regularly deals with coordination tasks in the project, please feel free to join as well. — Delievered by §hepBot (Disable) on behalf of the WikiProject coordinators' working group at 05:43, 28 February 2009 (UTC) [reply]

List of politicians

List of Irish politicians includes a list of poltical office-holders, which is intended to include all TDs, senators and so on. It is woefully incomplete, but still big enough to make the article difficult to edit. To make things easier to handle and hopefully encourage expansion pof the list, I have split out the five sections of the list of office-holders to sub-articles (details at Talk:List of Irish politicians#Split_the_list_of_office-holders).

The reason for my note here is that the split-out sections will now be only on my watchlist, which makes them vulnerable to vandalism. To keep more eyes focused on them, it would be great more editors added these to their watchlists. I have included the links below to make this easy to do:

Thanks! --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:58, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't understand the usefulness of list like this. Its so big ,will never be complete . Same as List of Irish people , I mean what's the point ,is it to have everyone in [Category:Irish_people]] and it's subcats listed ? Gnevin (talk) 18:30, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If the list of politicians included every TD and senator since 1918, that would be about 2260 people (Ciarán Cannon is one of most recent 6 people to take a seat in the Oireachtas, and is number 2253 on the Oireachtas Members Database). if we add in the 1801-1922 MPs and representative peers, WE'VE PROBABLY GOT ANOTHER 1500. So while it's a big job, it is doable.

I share your reservations about List of Irish people. It sets its standard for inclusion as "notable Irish people", which means anyone with a biographical article on wikipedia, which number well over 10,000. However, there are similar lists for other countries: French people, English people, Scots and Lists of Canadians. I like way that the Canadian list is organised, with sublists by occupation which are split out when they become big enough. The Canadian approach could be adopted more systematically for List of Irish people, which has already used it under some headings.

I look at these lists as being like the year-in-Ireland articles: useless at the start, but become more useful as they are expanded over time, even if that takes years. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:07, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, you PastorW, you. <joke> Kittybrewster ☎ 19:33, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

<grin> After Jack Glass picketed Billy Connolly's gig, Billy picketed Jack's church with a placard saying "Jack Glass is a wee pastor" ... but I'm sure you dinna mean it like that.

PW's stuff was fine so long as he stuck to bishops. The problem came when he started creating squillions of bizarrely-named categories, because they messed up the category system and other articles. Nobody needs to look at the years-in-Ireland articles or the lists unless they want to go there. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Prosposed change too WP:ATH

Apparently the current wording of WP:ATH excludes GAA players . I've proposed a change here Gnevin (talk) 19:38, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AFD nominations for Eoin Liston and Mossie Lyons amoung others

Resolved

Multiple Gaelic games AFD's currently on going Gnevin (talk)

I apologize if I nominated any true stars of the sport, but since it is an amateur sport, automatic notability is not conferred. Without reliable third-party sources for these articles, this type of misunderstanding is bound to happen again. Please add references before you post articles to show that the subject is notable. Consult some of the other sports Wikiprojects, WP:NFL, WP:Tennis, WP:MMA, WP:College football, etc. if you need.--2008Olympian^chitchat 20:11, 3 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For future reference, please note that there was a consensus to keep all of these articles, and the closing admin noted in at least one AfD debate that the nominations were based on the nominator's misunderstanding of WP:ATHLETE. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:57, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to move Foreign relations of the Republic of Ireland

I am proposing to move the above to Foreign relations of Ireland. The reasons are set out at Talk: Foreign relations of the Republic of Ireland. Hope you can lend your support to this long overdue move. Regards. Redking7 (talk) 21:43, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article alerts

I have just edited the project's main page to subscribe the project to a handy feature which I only just heard about, called Article alerts. Once they are generated by a bot (which may take a few days), the alerts will appear in a subpage called Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland/Article alerts.

By default they are also transcluded into the project's main page, but this can be turned off by changing a parameter in the a {{ArticleAlertbotSubscription}} template. It's currently display=columns, but display can be turned off changing this to display=none

However, I suggest leaving this until we see how big the alerts list is. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:01, 13 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Article alerts

This is a notice to let you know about Article alerts, a fully-automated subscription-based news delivery system designed to notify WikiProjects and Taskforces when articles are entering Articles for deletion, Requests for comment, Peer review and other workflows (full list). The reports are updated on a daily basis, and provide brief summaries of what happened, with relevant links to discussion or results when possible. A certain degree of customization is available; WikiProjects and Taskforces can choose which workflows to include, have individual reports generated for each workflow, have deletion discussion transcluded on the reports, and so on. An example of a customized report can be found here.

If you are already subscribed to Article Alerts, it is now easier to report bugs and request new features. We are also in the process of implementing a "news system", which would let projects know about ongoing discussions on a wikipedia-wide level, and other things of interest. The developers also note that some subscribing WikiProjects and Taskforces use the display=none parameter, but forget to give a link to their alert page. Your alert page should be located at "Wikipedia:PROJECT-OR-TASKFORCE-HOMEPAGE/Article alerts". Questions and feedback should be left at Wikipedia talk:Article alerts.

Message sent by User:Addbot to all active wiki projects per request, Comments on the message and bot are welcome here.

Thanks. — Headbomb {^ταλκ_{κοντριβς} – WP Physics} 09:17, 15 March, 2009 (UTC)

Six nations 2009

Congratulations on winning the six nations 2009 grand slam to all at Wikiproject Ireland and Wikiproject Northern Ireland! Fribbler (talk) 22:47, 21 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Truce terms

Hi. I'm trying to write an article on this subject (words used by children to get a temporary respite in a game) and would be very obliged for any information from Ireland on this. Personal memories are a starting point but sources would be even better! Many thanks. Fainites ^barleyscribs 13:21, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Golden Spiders

The Golden Spiders are an award for best Irish website. Why does it redirect to an article on "Spider-Man (2002 video game)"? Jaqian (talk) 14:42, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because not one has written an article for it and the term must be associated with the video game per the page history. ww2censor (talk) 15:07, 31 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

British Isles rename?

British Isles has been requested to be renamed to something else at WP:RM, see Talk:British Isles. 76.66.193.69 (talk) 04:38, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Aerfort na Minna

I was curious to know if this is the correct place for the article. According to the Irish Aviation Authority the name is Aerphort Chonamara but in the article it is called Aerfort na Minne and Connemara Regional Airport. A quick (and not relilable) Google search gives Aerphort Chonamara (182), Aerfort na Minna (378), Aerfort na Minne (3,760), Connemara Regional Airport (6,300) and Connemara Airport (176,000). I realise that the Google results are not the best indicataion but it does appear to me that Aerfort na Minne or Connemara Regional Airport might be the better title. The airline using the airport also uses Connemara Airport. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 18:57, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

86.45.95.216 / 83.71.108.116

Hi, It looks like an editor who has had several warnings, 86.45.95.216 (resolves to "86-45-95-216-dynamic.b-ras2.srl.dublin.eircom.net"), is back today as 83.71.108.116 (resolves to "83-71-108-116-dynamic.b-ras1.srl.dublin.eircom.net"). I don't think he/she is exactly a vandal but is rather unconstructive and fond of flags. It's tempting just to undo all the edits but I wonder if there is a better way. --212.183.136.193 (talk) 19:13, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Portstewart

Can someone with local knowledge clean up the mess at Portstewart? ww2censor (talk) 16:00, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It might be helpful to revert at least the edits by Port1916 and to get this user blocked as he/she contributed since 8 April 2009 just vandalizing edits. Unfortunately, Port1916 isn't the only one who vandalized this article. --AFBorchert (talk) 21:23, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Brian Cowen

If anyone in interested in achieving a fair and balanced consensus on Brian Cowen's article, please contribute to the discussion on the talk page or edit the article. Currently the article is bit of a hatchet job. Snappy (talk) 05:51, 21 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

County flags?

I would appreciate another set of eyes on this version of Miss Universe Ireland 2009. Are those flags actually used in that context? I removed them per WP:MOSFLAG, but if that is a per-county competition, I suppose a case could be made for keeping them. — Andrwsc (talk · contribs) 22:41, 24 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lifestyle Sports

The page Lifestyle Sports should be added to WikiProject Ireland, in my opinion, as Low-Importance. (Footyfanatic3000 (talk) 21:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Update re Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration

Update re.: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration - This was to be the Moderator led process to solving the Ireland naming dispute. It has descended into farce. No timetable was ever set so it was left open for the process to drag on indefinitely. Naturally no consensus emerged and now the Moderators aren't taking any action to "close the discssion". The "process" to me appears to have been a ruse (well intended or not) to stop the "disruption" caused by the RoI/IRL dispute by pretending that a process was in place to resolve the conflicting viewpoints. That "ruse" has certainly worked. Nevertheless, if you have a view, express it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland Collaboration. For those who want change to the Ireland naming regime, its time once again to tackle each article at a time as the Moderator process has failed - Don't wait for it to conclude (in fact it may never conclude). Regards. Redking7 (talk) 23:55, 28 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse: Catholic Church connection?

Re Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse (recent news story in Ireland): The coverage of this that I'm seeing in the general press seems to emphasize that this is a "Catholic Church" issue. Our article hardly mentions the Catholic Church. We want to make sure that our article is NPOV and neither over-emphasizes nor under-emphasizes the facts. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 16:49, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

FAR for Samuel Beckett

I have nominated Samuel Beckett for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Cirt (talk) 06:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

British Isles dispute

I don't think it's right to have the article British Isles under WikiProject Ireland seeing as it is an insult to our country to have it under the heading "British". I have complained about the name on Talk:British Isles, and I'm proposing we have a vote by WikiProject Ireland members only, as to whether we should remove the article from the scope of this WikiProject, in protest.--FF3000 (talk) 21:20, 27 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I've never heard an Irish person use this politically motivated term. 86.44.53.226 (talk) 14:57, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You should get out more. LevenBoy (talk) 15:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Irish Music

WikiProject Irish Music is in a sorry state. I'm trying to knock new life into it, but if other users don't contribute it will probably have to be merged into WikiProject Ireland. Please join if you can, it's already listed as inactive.--FF3000 (talk) 17:12, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Would it not be better off being a workgroup or task force of WikiProject Music rather than a fully fledged WikiProject? ww2censor (talk) 20:10, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, good suggestion but I think that we should make an effort to try and reboot it first, as it is a very important part of Irish culture. I'm sure that there will be some people on both this WikiProject and WikiProject Music dedicated to it. I might also eventually inform the founder of the WikiProject, NaLaochra about the situation if all else fails.--FF3000 (talk) 22:39, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NaLaochra has not been active for over a year per [10], so that is likely a non-starter. I would suggest posting to a few editors who are currently active in some of the Irish musicians' articles, such as Agadant and Candlewicke to name just two. I am sure you can find more. Good luck ww2censor (talk) 23:14, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I'll do that.--FF3000 (talk) 13:24, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But not with much success, unfortunately. --FF3000 (talk) 22:07, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh GA Sweeps: On Hold

I have reviewed Robert Stewart, Viscount Castlereagh for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since the article falls under the scope of this project, I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 02:21, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone create stub for Justice Sean Ryan?

Re the "Ryan Report"/Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, we don't seem to have an article for Justice Sean Ryan, Judge of the High Court (per http://www.childabusecommission.com/rpt/preface.php ), although we do have one for High Court judge Mary Laffoy. Sean Ryan is a disamb page; he is apparently not included there. Can someone please create a stub for him? I have not made a redlink for this because I have no idea what would be the best style to use for the article title. -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 14:08, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have created it at Seán Ryan (Irish judge). I'll leave you to fill it out. Scolaire (talk) 07:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I see that Seán Ryan (Irish judge) has been deleted per request of the article's creator. I continue to think that we should have an article on this individual on Wikipedia. Discussion? -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 23:08, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've made my position clear: if anybody who thinks that we should have an article on this individual they can write an article on this individual. What more is there to discuss? Scolaire (talk) 06:54, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Scolaire. Was wondering if anyone else had any thoughts on this. (Answer would seem to be "no".) -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 01:50, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vote on renaming article to include "British Isles"

There is currently a vote underway to rename an article which was originally 'British Military History' to 'Military history of the British Isles'. There are 5 options to choose from for the new article's title. You can vote for/against one/all here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Military_history_of_the_peoples_of_the_British_Islands#Poll_on_Article_Name 86.44.53.226 (talk) 13:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The annon has put this very poorly indeed. The article as it stands now is entitled Military history of the peoples of the British Islands, which was changed a while back from Military history of the peoples of the British Isles.

The article is up for deletion here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Military history of the peoples of the British Islands however with people generally in support of keeping the article user:Highking opened a poll to establish what we should do to proceed.

The current options are as follows:

Option 1 - Military history of the British Isles

Option 2 - British military history

Option 3 - Military history of Britain and Ireland

Option 4 - Create two articles. Military history of Britain + Military history of Ireland

Option 5 - Military history of the United Kingdom

Generally it would seem opposers to option 1 are users who do not want to see Ireland mixed in with the term "British Isles" due to past polatics while users who oppose the other options generally see the term "British Isles" as a geogrpahical term and void of any political intentions on ownership of Ireland etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EnigmaMcmxc (talk • contribs) 17:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But it's only a list! Why don't people write proper articles instead of fighting over the titles of non-articles? I would have voted delete but that particular vote is closed. Scolaire (talk) 21:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Does this notice breach policy for (what's the damn word???) - trying to advertise for !votes. If so, please delete ASAP. --HighKing (talk) 21:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Vote rigging? :p Considering the way the first guy worded it i thought it was best for the time been to give a more fuller picture of the situation but i agree with the two of you.--EnigmaMcmxc (talk) 21:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Primate of Ireland" and "Primate of All Ireland"

I am proposing to merge (and extensively edit) Primate of Ireland and Primate of All Ireland. I have opened a discussion here. Scolaire (talk) 21:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

AFDs for Pat O'Donnell & An Bord Pleanála and the Corrib gas project

Input required:-

I've nominated these 2 articles for delation as recommended by mediator at Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2009-05-6/Corrib Gas. Please have a look at the deletion debates if possible. The more input on this, the greater chance of consensus being reached. G~~ain~~Line ♠ _♥ 12:54, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Notice on new Irish Music task force

An Irish Music task force has been set up to temporarily replace WikiProject Irish Music at Wikipedia:WikiProject Ireland/Irish Music. Full details can be found at either page. New users are urgently needed. --FF3000 (talk) 22:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, I didn't think anyone actually cared... :) :) :) --can dle •wicke 18:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Geraldines

I would like to draw together articles and information on this important family in a more systematic way. At present Geraldines redirects to FitzGerald, which is essentially no more than a dab page. It is difficult to find individual FitzGeralds without knowing in advance exactly what you're looking for. I would like to expand the individual articles, and also have a "Geraldines" article that detailed the history of the FitzGeralds in a fairly comprensive way and linked to as many family members - Norman invaders, earls, rebels etc. - as practicable. If anybody is interested in getting invovlved please let me know on my talk page. Scolaire (talk) 15:29, 6 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Philip Cairns

Would anyone like to rate Philip Cairns, currently on the Main Page at DYK? --can dle •wicke 18:44, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Politician links

Hi guys. In my noobiness last month, I edited the pages of Oireachtas TDs with an external link to the new website www.kildarestreet.com (I am a mod on that website). For so doing, my original username (gavinsblog) was blocked indefinitely for alleged spamming. Partly my boo.

What I would like to suggest to the community is that an external link to KildareStreet profiles should be placed on the wikipedia profiles of all TDs and Senators. The KS profiles are both relevant and useful to anyone seeking information on a TD or Senator. For example Dermot Ahern TD. Notice the data, it allows anyone to sign up for and email alert whenever that TD speaks, and gives information on how often they speak in the Dail. It includes links back to their wiki profiles, as well as their election data history and official party website profiles.

KildareStreet is modelled on an API developed by mySociety and used on the British version, theyworkforyou.com. The wikipedia profiles of British MPs contain links to both theyworkforyou and publicwhip.org.uk (For example Tom_Watson_(politician)#External_links.

I am suggesting that all TD profiles contain links (as they already do to ElectionsIreland.org), to their Kildare Street profiles as well. The data is relevant, well presented, and importantly, Kildare Street is run as a not for profit, pro bono project, without ads. Anyone searching for information on their representatives would find an external link to KildareStreet beneficial.

Incidentally, the user who originally complained of link spamming has since accepted that was not my intention, and that adding links to KildareStreet has merit. -- gavinsblog1 (talk) 17:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just as a note to everyone - I was the user who originally warned (but was not the blocking admin of) the first account. Thanks! Fin ©™ 19:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This website looks useful, though a bit lacking in detail at the moment. I'd have no objections to adding it as an External link for Oireachtas members. Snappy (talk) 04:34, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

KildareStreet is in beta, and the addition of more data (TD expenses, Members' interests etc) is in progress. All data for both houses is included from January 2004 (plans to go back further also). The website is also automatically updated via xml whenever the Oireachtas website itself updates. I will set about adding links, and also perhaps filling in any gaps in TD profiles that I have come across (links to official party websites are broken for the most part). Thanks. gavinsblog1 (talk) 17:12, 10 June 2009

Irish order of precedence?

Does Ireland have an "order of precedence" article like the United States order of precedence and all those contained at Template:Precedence? Would anyone like to create one if this is not the case or perhaps add a link if one is known? Thanks. --can dle •wicke 16:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's no equivalent in Ireland. --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 17:07, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Military history of Ireland

I have thrown to together a Military history of Ireland articles as a consequence of developments on Military history of Britain. Please don't come to my page or write snappy edit comments, it was literally thrown together. This is partially deliberate, because I don't want to write too much too quick without out other people being involved. So please can other contribute/fix the article (I've already tagged it with the obvious problems).

Thanks, --rannṗáirtí anaiṫnid (coṁrá) 13:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]