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May 12

What the heck is this thing?

Anyone have any good guesses (or, heaven forbid, actual knowledge) of what this thing is going to be? My best guess so far is a resonator instrument of some sort (though I haven't found such a thing with two resonators, or what is that second inscribed circle on the thing?) --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 04:02, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

My guess is that it's just going to be a standard resonator guitar, aka Dobro. The upper circle doesn't look like its going to house a resonator (look at the bottom circle, already cut out, and see the reinforcing braces to receive the resonator, the upper part doesn't have that). I think the upper circle is just a guide for finishing the top part of the instriment; i.e. they aren't going to cut another hole, it's just there to guide the shaping of the guitar. --Jayron32 04:18, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Another picture. Reso guitar kinda thing was a first guess. Interestingly, I'm visiting to the National Reso-Phonic Guitars factory on Tuesday; I'll ask the guys there. You're right about the shaping, I think. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 04:21, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Looks like a banjo to me, with the top part scheduled to be cut off, and the circular hole added, to make another (smaller) banjo. StuRat (talk) 05:15, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Other than the utter lack of any banjo-like features other than roundness, I guess that's a feasible suggestion. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 14:24, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Not really... They wouldn't make it curve perfectly into the upper half if they were gonna make two, they'd cut the top out before assembling the pieces. Plus the nails/screws are in already. Definitely something designed to make a louder sound. Whether its an instrument or perhaps some fancy looking speaker, can't tell at this point. However, based on the scale of nearby objects in the second photo, the body itself looks to be 3 feet tall at least, and the pear shape is very unusual for a guitar. Lute? Cello? - ʄɭoʏɗiaɲ ^τ _¢ 14:30, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

No, lutes are not shaped look anything like that; nor do cellos. I guess I should have asked for informed guesses, not just throwing out words and seeing if they stick. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 14:52, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, you did ask heaven to forbid answers from anyone who has any actual knowledge of the thing. Be careful of what you ask for, you just might get it.  :) -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 22:04, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Capablanca Chess (10x10 version) vs Go:Which is more complex?

[I originally put this in computing reference desk by mistake. It probably could belong in entertainment or mathematics.]

Capablanca experimented with at least two larger boards...I'm asking about the 10 by 10 board here. The snap (and perhaps correct)answer is that Go is more complicated than Capa chess, but I'm not so sure. Thanks in advance for your responses.Rich (talk) 11:30, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Probably Go. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 17:45, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Very probably Go. If I calculate correctly, Capablanca chess has 38 opening moves. Go has 362 (19x19+passing). Even in the best case, Capablanca chess will have no more than 36 (queen)+8(king)+4*18 (rooks and bishops)+2*8(knights)+2*18(new pieces)+30 (pawns)+(maybe)2 castling possible moves at any time, i.e. less than 200 (and that's a generous estimate). --Stephan Schulz (talk) 21:58, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

I guess you're right then. But shouldn't the opening 360 be divided by 8? (To get 45+1+1 opening moves, counting passing) The other thing, perhaps i'm grasping at straws, is game length--if for some reason Capa chess could take far more moves than regular chess, longer perhaps than the middlegame of Go, which according to article becomes more straightforward in its endgame. The base would be smaller but the exponent larger.Rich (talk) 00:27, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I've not played Capablanca Chess, but I have played Shogi, and it wasn't considerably more complex than western chess. The issue is what you mean by complexity. Go has one piece, with which you can do one thing. You put a stone on a spot on the board. That's it. It is a very simple game from a gameplay standpoint. Chess (and shogi, and others from the family) is a more complex gameplay in the sense that there are several pieces which you have to keep track of what they do, how they move, and weird quirks (like castling and en passant and stuff like that). So chess games are more complex in the sense that there's just more rules and moves to keep track of. Go is fantastically simple in that way. However, in terms of strategy, Go is way more complex because there are just so many more ways a go game can play out. Chess is still fairly complex, in the sense that it still hasn't been "solved" (every possible board position played to every possible end game), but go has more possible board positions, even though its gameplay is so basic. --Jayron32 04:30, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Although I cannot give a research answer on this, I can assure you that Go would remain more complex, although as pointed out, it depends on your measure of complexity. Basically, computers can only play a tolerable game of Go, whereas I see no reason to doubt they would be able to master Capa chess within a reasonable time, if it took off. The rules are basically the same; it is just chess with a couple of different pieces. There would be many quirks distinguishing the two "chesses", owing to the new pieces and the size of the board, but these would not fundamentally alter the complexity of the game (or so I would assume). Another way of looking at it: one measure of complexity I have come across is to use the ( Elo) rating difference between an expert and a beginner. That for Go is greater than that for chess, as far as I am aware, because of the deeper structural nature of Go. An expert must pass through many levels of understanding in Go, whereas a chess grandmaster can spend much of his time memorising openings. Chess is based on relatively simple repeating patterns, and once a grandmaster has memorised the 100,000 or so basic positions, there isn't much more to be done than to fine-tune the skills, and build an opening repertoire. I see no reason why Capa chess would be fundamentally different from chess in this regard. IBE (talk) 20:04, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

It seems two me you are misunderestimating the profounditude of regular Chess. For Capa 10x10 chess I think there will be further structure because of greater distances (also, more nooks and crannies) leading to somewhat disconnected battles. (BTW, I'm actually interested in a Capa type chess with more shortrange knights rather than the longer ranged archbishops, to increase the distance effect.)Rich (talk) 22:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Intimate webcam meetings

Greetings! I have never had a girlfriend, even though that has always been my highest wish. This has led to a lot of hospitalisation (due to depression), and for many years now I am on SSRIs. The impact on my every-day life has always been profound (since the age of seven or so). For instance, today I cannot even read the news or watch TV because I cannot stand to be reminded about the fact that people my age and younger “already” have started to have sexual relationships. (I am 24 years old.) One way for me to get rid of some anger and sorrow, and to get some amount of female intimacy, is to be naked while a young woman (of my age) is watching via streaming video (webcam chat). However, I have realised that it is almost impossible to find women that are willing to watch. So, to my question: is there an online service (website), not necessarily free, where you can find such persons (in my case, women)? --81.170.174.36 (talk) 19:01, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

www dot livejasmin dot com is one such website. --84.112.145.34 (talk) 21:16, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I know about this site, but was under the impression that it is mainly (or only?) about watching the models, not the other way around (that is, being watched by ... the models?). In addition, if both "modes" are available, do you pay for a membership and hope to find someone able to watch, or are you basically guaranteed to get someone to watch? Thanks again. --81.170.174.36 (talk) 22:28, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Sorry but I don't know the answers. Just browse the site and you may find what you are looking for. I was under the impression two-way webcam was possible, but maybe not. You don't pay for membership as such, you buy credit which gets used up as you go along. If you pay for a one-to-one session then you can dictate the terms of it. --84.112.145.34 (talk) 22:36, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

You could join www dot ypmate dot com , just ask the model if she likes two way cam, many do. There is also the option of travelling to a neighbouring nation where prostitution is legal... Unique Ubiquitous (talk) 18:07, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I just tried the first suggestion, LiveJasmin, and it seems to work very well (although it is very expensive). I will check out the latter one, too. As for travelling, well, Denmark is very close to Sweden, so I have thought of that as well. But doing such a journey regularly would be rather expensive. --81.170.174.36 (talk) 18:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

May 13

Comfort food inventors

Does anyone know if Natale Olivieri, inventor of Yoo-hoo^®, was related to Pat and Harry Olivieri, creators of the cheesesteak? (I am enjoying them both right now!) Thank you.    → Michael J Ⓣ Ⓒ Ⓜ 00:05, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Distance to shore

Is there a list of countries/territories anywhere which shows the maximum distance from the shore of that country to an inland point? 92.80.57.27 (talk) 09:11, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

See Geographical centre. Tevildo (talk) 12:53, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

That's not quite the same thing. Imagine a large circular island with a long, narrow peninsula pointing north. The maximum distance from any shore would be right in the center of the circle, while the geographical center would be north somewhat from there (possibly within the peninsula). StuRat (talk) 03:56, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Some of the country-specific articles linked to from that article do give the point of maximum distance from the sea, though. 81.98.43.107 (talk) 09:01, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

The concept is similar to pole of inaccessibility, if that's any help. 81.98.43.107 (talk) 08:59, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Awesome. Wikipedia's got everything. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:57, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Update for United States Coast Guard Awards and Decorations article

How do I make a suggestion to update an article?

The article on United States Coast Guard Awards and Decorations needs to be updated.

Title II, Section 224, of the Coast Guard Authorization Act of 2010 (signed by the President on 25 October 2010) authorized a new Coast Guard Cross Medal and Coast Guard Silver Star Medal. This should be included in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gallups (talk • contribs) 12:28, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Go to the Talk page of that article by clicking on the Talk tab at the top, and make your suggestions by editing it exactly as you've done here. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 12:45, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Indicator of socioeconomic status

Hi. I'm interested in others' views (and, if possible, justifications) on which of the following is the superior indicator of a metropolitan area's socioeconomic status: the median property value of ALL dwellings, or the median property value of non-strata dwellings (i.e., houses). I'm leaning toward the latter because there seems to be a more realistic (noticeable) variation in the values, but I'm not sure how I could justify it. Thanks in advance for your thoughts. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 13:19, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

That seems a very narrow, single element in a complex situation. Many people of low socio-economic status live in subsidised rental accommodation, so the value of the dwelling becomes somewhat irrelevant anyway. And your measure would vary depending on where you are in the world. In some cities there are many more houses than strata dwelling, and in some the reverse is true. And there are many more factors in socio-economic status. I'm really not sure what you're trying to demonstrate with your proposed measure. HiLo48 (talk) 20:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure median house prices is going to work as an indicator of socio-economic status. The price of the same kind of house varies a lot from place to place, as well as the kinds of houses varying. Taking the median house price doesn't separate those to effects. --Tango (talk) 21:25, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm attempting to demonstrate a correlation between electricity consumption and socioeconomic factors. I wanted to use average household income, an obviously superior measure, but the most recent data is from 2006 because that's when the census was (in Australia). Can anyone think of a better measure of socioeconomic status for which recent data is always available? —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 00:33, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

You might actually look into what stats the ABS offers? Here's the Labour Price index (six capitals) and here's six capital Employee earnings. This statistics package contains detailed indications of SES versus electricity consumption. (4.1% of the upper quintile of disposable income couldn't pay their utilities on time, a key indicator—and people say Australia's the lucky country? Tell 'em they're dreaming.)Fifelfoo (talk) 03:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for those links. I should have specified that I'm looking for an indicator for which there is data for individual LGAs in NSW. —Anonymous Dissident^Talk 03:39, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Use Censuses to produce a time dimension and you can get good correlations. I'd suggest census data because you want to test for multi-variable correlations. Using a "land price" proxy will produce a less accurate result than using Census 2006. (Also, why would a correlation you can demonstrate in the last N censuses suddenly no longer hold?) Fifelfoo (talk) 05:10, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

There was an Australian census in August 2011. Surely some new data would be available by now. HiLo48 (talk) 08:24, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Surely not. A quick squizz at Census in Australia tells us "The first results of the (2011) Census will be released in June 2012 on the Australian Bureau of Statistics website." -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 08:37, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Wow. I didn't realise they were so (in)efficient. Anyway, June is just next month. HiLo48 (talk) 18:44, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Speaking as a former 8-year inmate employee of the ABS, I can tell you they do all they can to get the results out as soon as practically possible, but there's a huge, vast amount of work that has to happen behind the scenes. The measure of inefficiency is not "later than when I, personally, expected, with nothing more to go on than a completely uneducated idea of how long it takes to produce quality results on a national census of 20 million people spread over one of the largest countries on Earth". I'd have to check, but I'd be surprised if any country of comparable population and/or size does any better in getting their census results out. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 19:37, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

While this may offend JackofOz deeply, I find the ABS to be one of the most efficient, thorough and appropriate bodies collecting statistical information. They expose their categories and assumptions beautifully, critique their own work with a withering scorn that would scare politicians, and supply data with remarkable rapidity. Getting 2011 data exposed in 2012 is brilliant—though I assume that the initial data package won't be the complete census results. Fifelfoo (talk) 01:23, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Not sure why you'd think that may offend me, who defended the Bureau. Everything you say about their approach from your experience as a user is in accord with my experience from the inside. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 01:50, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I was trying to use the Australian ironic mode; it doesn't work so well in text as it does in person. Fifelfoo (talk) 02:10, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Not worth a cracker, mate.  :) -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 08:09, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I was once offered a job by the ABS, but took another path rather than move to Canberra. Ah, what might have been... HiLo48 (talk) 08:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

And yet, here we both are. See, there are many pathways to Heaven. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 08:09, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Real estate prices also seem like a poor indicator of socioeconomic status to me. Can't you get more direct measures, like average income for each area ? StuRat (talk) 03:52, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Median household income might be more meaningful. From memory that's something that the ABS publishes. I'm not sure why you would reject using this more direct measure just because the data is available only to 2006, are you going to be arguing that people's behaviour in electricity consumption has changed in some statistically significant way between 2006 and 2011? If not, why not just use electricity consumption statistics up to 2006 with income statistics up to 2006?

Property value is an indirect proxy for wealth and I agree with StuRat that it's a poor proxy. Many people pay more for their property for reasons other than that they can afford to (e.g. location of work), which only means their disposable income is lower and they are therefore, poorer in disposable income terms.

The only justification I can think of for using non-strata title property only is that strata title property may be inhabited by someone other than the owner more often than freehold title property. But even then, rental expense is generally correlated with property value, so excluding strata title property seems to me to do more harm in causing bias in your data than whatever benefit it brings. People who live in strata title properties tend to be either poor or young.

Unless your electricity consumption data is also broken down by strata and non-strata property, you will also get a mismatch between the statistics. Say Sydney has 50% strata title properties and Hobart has 10%, your result will probably come out with Sydney-siders using almost 100% more electricity per property than Hobart when in fact the per property usage is equal. --PalaceGuard008 (Talk) 13:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

May 14

Children of King George V

Pertaining to the article, "Ancestry of Elizabeth II" and pertaining to the chart, Ancestor Table, Generation 3 (Grandparents): It notes that George V and Princess Mary of Teck had 2 children. It is my understanding that King George V and Princess Mary of Teck had six children. Please confirm/verify. Thank you.Hamradio66 (talk) 03:10, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

"Father of 2" means the father of the person numbered 2 in that list, i.e. George VI. It does not refer to the number of children he had. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 04:28, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Educational records in the UK?

My son in law needs records of his education and of his A levels. He graduated 10 years ago. He is being told they don't exist. There must be records somewhere . It makes no sense. Here in the US and in Canada records are available for a very long time, and in the UK records are often available for centuries. He wants to go to university but this is causing big concerns. Does any one have any advice or thoughts on this where he might find these kinds of records Thank you for any help you can give.(76.76.228.132 (talk) 04:26, 14 May 2012 (UTC))

I doubt we can answer your question from the information you've provided. My understanding supported by the GCE Advanced Level article is there are a number of Examination boards who are responsible for the A-level so it will depend precisely who your son-in-law did his examination with. Our articles lists 5 main current ones although it mentions (as to the various articles) that there have been various mergers over the years so the board/s your son-in-law did his A-level with may be none of those 5. It also mentions many schools mix and match exams from different boards. A simple search for 'a level lost certificate' find [1] for the AQA and [2] for the OCR. If your son-in-law is not aware of the examination board he did his A-level with, he will need to check with the school he went to about what board/s they were using when he went there. If theythe school no longer exist, I guess he'll have to look for historical information or make enquires with the boards (since there's seemingly only 5 of them now and he could try all 5 although it's not entirely clear if the 5 exant boards have records for all historical boards). Alternatively, try asking old friends. As for records of his 'education' whatever that means, if the school he went to can't help (really can't help as opposed to 'we're too lazy to find them'), I'm doubtful anything can be done as it's unlikely the records are centralised. Realisticly it seems to me many universities aren't going to care about much about his earlier education beyond possibly his A-level results 10 years later.(Seems I'm wrong, see below. Note when I said records of his 'education' I presumed the OP was referring to records other then exam board records, like internal school exam results, co-curricular activity participation etc; not centralised-exam records which as stated you can get from the exam board once you work out which one.) P.S. There is also University of Cambridge International Examinations who offer A-level but in other countries only. Nil Einne (talk) 06:20, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Records are preserved for a long time and it is possible to track them. The school or college can easily, if they want to, find out when your son-inlaw attended and what exam boards he did his GCSEs and A levels with. If it was a maintained (non fee paying) school, ask the education authority for help. Under data protection legislation you have a right to see your own files. Itsmejudith (talk) 07:28, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) ... and if this is in England or Wales, and all else fails, Local Education Authorities and central government started keeping individualised records of pupils achievements via UPNs (Unique Pupil Numbers) twelve years ago. See herefor details. Dbfirs 07:34, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Just in case this causes confusion, in the UK the word 'graduation' is only used in the context of a university-level degree - it would not be used to describe leaving school or passing A-levels. 81.98.43.107 (talk) 09:13, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I recently needed copies of my certificates for a job application and feared I had lost them. I discovered tat my secondary school had copies of my GCSEs and they could help me find which exam boards I would need to contact. However, the exam boards charge a not-insignificant fee for making a new certificate for you, I'm afraid. 130.88.172.34 (talk) 12:11, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much everyone this has been very very helpful.(76.76.228.132 (talk) 12:30, 14 May 2012 (UTC))

OLYMPIC FLAG

There are five rings on the Olympic flag. They represent fife continents. Could you tell me which colour of the ring represent which continent? thank you175.157.218.178 (talk) 08:07, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

I quote from http://en.beijing2008.cn/spirit/symbols/flag/index.shtml.

Pierre de Coubertin, the father of the modern Olympic Games, explains the meaning of the flag: "The Olympic flag has a white background, with five interlaced rings in the centre: blue, yellow, black, green and red. This design is symbolic; it represents the five continents of the world, united by Olympism, while the six colours are those that appear on all the national flags of the world at the present time." (1931) Combined in this way, the six colours of the flag (including the white of the background) represent all nations. It is wrong, therefore, to believe that each of the colours corresponds to a certain continent! -- SGBailey (talk) 08:25, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Note that this is also found in our article on Olympic symbols -- what I'm curious about, though, is how "five [inhabited] continents" was arrived at; US educational convention is that there are six inhabited continents plus Antarctica. I assume Eurasia was mashed together? Or perhaps the Americas? — Lomn 19:40, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

The Americas. Olympic symbols#Olympic rings says: "Prior to 1951, the official handbook stated that each colour corresponded to a particular continent: blue for Europe, yellow for Asia, black for Africa, green for Oceania and red for America (North and South considered as a single continent); this was removed because there was no evidence that Coubertin had intended it."[3] See also Continent#Number of continents. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:07, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

And maybe because "yellow for Asia, black for Africa" was a bit too unsubtle. Although I wonder, what's with the blue for Europe? Because of the long, frigid winters? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

From my studies of Avery Brundage, I don't think the Olympic Movement had arrived at that degree of enlightenment in 1951.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:29, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Oy! ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:04, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Police killed in the line of duty in Germany

I read an article recently about how German police fired 84 shots total in 2011, and I wanted to compare this to police deaths in the line of duty. I can find this information for the US, but is there a central source that will show me all law enforcement deaths in Germany by year? Thanks! Meelar (talk) 20:26, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Maybe not the complete answer, but according to this source: [4] 118 police officers were killed in the last 30 years and this source: [5] gives 392 as total number killed since 1945 in Germany.194.105.120.70 (talk) 05:44, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Gay Romney ad

A pro-Mitt Romney TV ad has Robert C. Gay, who was an employee of Romney at the time, stating that Romney helped find his missing teenage daughter, by taking time off work to set up a command center to track her down. My questions:

1) Is this true ?

2) Why was she missing ? Did she run away ?

3) What is her name ?

4) Do we have an article on her ? StuRat (talk) 21:48, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

It's true. I was kinda amazed myself when I heard it.[6]173.32.168.59 (talk) 22:55, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. The complete lack of any mention of the reason why she disappeared made me suspicious that they were hiding something. Apparently they were hiding that she went to a rave, took a massive dose of ecstasy, and shacked up with some random boy she met. I believe this might be considered inappropriate behavior, at least for a Mormon girl. :-) StuRat (talk) 00:33, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Every politician has skeletons in their closet.--WaltCip (talk) 01:20, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Snopes has a good article on this. I'm not Romney fan generally, but this was a remarkable thing he did. http://www.snopes.com/politics/romney/search.asp. 130.88.172.34 (talk) 09:56, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Walt, Gay doesn't appear to be a politician and this is the very opposite of a skeleton in Romney's cupboard. --Dweller (talk) 12:31, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Agreed that this will generally go over well among Americans as it is presented in the ad, but to me it seems kind of a weirdly inappropriate use of corporate resources. Romney basically shut the company down, or at least its executive functions, and directed the executive team to concentrate on the personal concerns of one of its members who, like Romney, happened to be a Mormon. This would be more impressive, though still inappropriate in a corporate setting, if the girl in question had been the daughter of a lowly employee. I strongly doubt that Romney ever went out of his way for an ordinary, non-Mormon employee of Bain. What this episode says to me is that Romney as president would be prepared to put the work of governing on hold in order to devote the full resources of the White House to addressing the needs of (one of) his (superrich) cronies. Marco polo (talk) 15:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

He would?--WaltCip (talk) 19:57, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

It is indeed a very strange ad. Since he has no problem whatsoever with depriving countless people of their jobs, hence jeopardizing their families' well-being, I suppose the ad is intended to demonstrate that he actually does have a beating heart, at least in some circumstances. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:53, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

It's somewhat similar to Ronald Reagan, who would personally help individual poor people who he met, while simultaneously signing bills certain to make their lives worse (say by cutting unemployment insurance, job training, student loans, Medicade, etc.). ...except that Romney didn't help a poor person, but rather another rich guy. StuRat (talk) 04:14, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Question appears to be asked and answered. Last I checked this wasn't Wikipedia:Reference desk/PoliticalForum. --Onorem♠Dil 04:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Last time I checked, you hadn't been officially appointed a wiki-nanny. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:06, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

But then, why have rules, policies and guidelines if nobody is ever allowed to refer to them without being accused of what you just said to Onorem? -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 00:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Ono's approach (above) was not so good. Stu's approach (below) was good. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:19, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

OK, let me mark this resolved in an attempt to stop any fights from breaking out here. StuRat (talk) 00:24, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

May 15

Subtle colored contact lenses

Hi all! I bought colored contact lenses, "splash of color 2" but the name is misleading. I'm looking for subtle colored contact lenses, just a tinge of color. These made me look like a clown. I couldn't even wear them. I just spent the last hour trying very hard to use Google and Google image search to find pictures, a chart, anything that would allow me to look before I buy. I am amazed at how difficult it is to find information. Does anyone have any recommendations from personal experience (or maybe better Google skills than I) to help me find some actually subtle contact lenses? Thank you.--Lady in polka dot (talk) 02:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

You might try looking for "tinted lenses" instead of "colored lenses". However, note that with lightly tinted lenses, the color people see is a blend of the tint color and your eye color. So, if you want to make blue eyes look a bit bluer, that will work, but if you want brown eyes to look blue, you're SOL. StuRat (talk) 02:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Ah, a clue. I will now go google that. Thank you.--02:55, 15 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lady in polka dot (talk • contribs)

Have any luck ? StuRat (talk) 22:22, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I got tinted contact lenses from D&A (in the UK) a few years ago - "Freshlook" I think they were called - and the optician let me try samples to find colours that worked. While my dark brown eyes showed up the blue ones very well, and quite naturally, the funky purple ones that I had really wanted made no difference at all. Morgana Fiolett 13:22, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

You folks just aren't listening to the right music. --Jayron32 13:29, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Surfactant

1. Which have the best cleaning property: anionic surfactant, cationic surfactant or nonionic surfactant?

2. If we want to have good oil removing for the detergent, which kind of surfactant we choose: anionic surfactant, cationic surfactant or nonionic surfactant?

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 113.162.202.31 (talk) 03:07, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

This is probably a question for the Science desk. --Dweller (talk) 10:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

White markings in field

What are the white markings in the field shown in this satellite view? You can see them more clearly in the street view image here. Thanks, --Viennese Waltz 04:43, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

The Wiltshire Council indicates that the field is an archaeological site. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 04:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but where are you getting that from the link given? That link is to the Council's map of archaeological sites, but when I zoom into the same field on the map, there is nothing about it being an archaelogical site. And even if it was, what do the white lines have to do with archaeology? --Viennese Waltz 07:37, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

All the layers in the map are turned off by default. Click the "All periods" checkbox to the left of the map, and you can see the field in question has some extra data on it. As for what the lines actually are, I have no idea. Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 08:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I would imagine that they are the remains of trenches used to investigate the archaeology. The street view image looks like trenches that have been back-filled but not left long enough for grass/crops to grow back. You can search the Wiltshire archives for records of the finds hereabouts - I searched on 'Bishopsdown' and found that a medieval finger ring, a bronze age burial and neolithic farm system that could all be candidates for what the trench-diggers were investigating. My favourite explanation would be the farm system - those trenches are laid out as if trying to find the edge of a large feature like that. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 09:21, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Maybe stating the obvious, but Wiltshire is well known for chalky soil - hence any recent excavation looks very white.[7] Alansplodge (talk) 09:44, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Another guess is that they have used a tractor to scrape off some of the top soil so that they can look for old coins and whatnot with metal detectors. It is hard to dig a small hole through grass roots whenever your detector goes beep; take away the vegetation and it's much easier. A field is choice for metal detector scavenging, as tillage keeps burying and unburying objects. 88.114.124.228 (talk) 17:44, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

There appear to be identical but older trenches on the airfield just to the north. Digging on an aerodrome and the fact that they're rather regular make me think they're proper archaeological works. This is an area rich in sites from early and pre-recorded history. --Dweller (talk) 19:56, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Wax buildup

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We're sorry, but we cannot offer medical advice, however well-intended, on the Reference Desk. Seek the advice of a physician, pharmacist, or other qualified professional for techniques or products that might help you with this problem. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 13:21, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

It's not exactly a medical problem. MrLittleIrish ^(talk) 申 13:38, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Given that it's a condition you acknowledge you would normally visit a physician to treat, it certainly falls within Wikipedia:Reference desk/Guidelines/Medical advice. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 13:39, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Why was my post deleted? It effectively said the same thing as TenOfAllTrades, better, I would have thought because I linked to the relevant policy, and I also pointed the OP at a relevant article. Pray tell me what was wrong with that? HiLo48 (talk) 10:47, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I would suggest that hatting the discussion might have been a better remedy, if one was needed, which it probably wasn't.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

The specified procedure for these cases is to blank the entire thread, including the question and any responses–good or bad. It's not meant to reflect on the quality or appropriateness of any one answer. Experience has shown that leaving either the question or any answers up, hatted or not, tends to lead to people giving advice that they shouldn't; unfortunately, it's the only system we've found at the Ref Desk that is reasonably effective in discouraging people from asking for, and receiving, medical advice. (Indeed, note that such advice followed your own response as the very next post to the thread.) TenOfAllTrades(talk) 14:02, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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Black-and-white ad

There was once a black-and-white TV ad (don't remember what it advertised), which featured among others a baby carriage rolling down the stairs (subtitled "Albert Einstein") and a wheeling gymnast, subtitled "Nadia Comaneci" with gentle music. Does anyone know that ad (and possibly a link to watch?), thanks. 176.241.247.17 (talk) 14:18, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Since TV ads tend to vary from country to country, it would likely be helpful if you mention precisely what countrie/s you saw the ad. If you don't remember at all, at least what language/s. Your IP address looks up to Poland but I have no idea if this is where you saw this ad. A rough time frame may also help. Nil Einne (talk) 16:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Are you sure that it was Albert Einstein, and not Sergei Eisenstein? Deor (talk) 19:43, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I saw it in Azerbaijan a couple of years ago (early 2000s or late 1990s), but the ad wasn't Azeri. There was surely a subtitle "Albert Einstein" when the baby carriage was showed (perhaps implying that it's Einstein in his childhood). It's black-and-whiteness was artistic, not because of featuring a historical tape. 176.241.247.17 (talk) 20:02, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

World War 1, question

is Private Millar Mafaking FERGUSSON, date of birth 6/12/1900 number 6082 of the Australian Imperial Force, 17th Reinforcements - 27th Battalian, the youngest Australian oldier killed in the First World War in France on the 5th of May 1917.? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.169.180.237 (talk) 14:28, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure if you are asking if he was the youngest Australian soldier killed in France during the First World War or the youngest killed on that particular day? He wouldn't have been the youngest Australian soldier killed in France; the Australian War Memorial site has a selection of boy-soldiers killed in action on their website here. As for the question of whether he was the youngest Australian killed on that day: possibly, but I would be surprised if anyone had ever compiled the statistics from the casualty lists to ever verify that. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 16:37, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

(addendum) I don't know if you have seen this site yet, but there is a a picture of Private Fergusson on the "World War I Pictorial Honour Roll of South Australians" website here. FlowerpotmaN·(t) 16:40, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Diploma from a US double major

If someone in the US does a double major, what does the diploma say?

• Does s/he get two diplomas, one for each?
• Does s/he get one diploma saying e.g. Bachelor of Arts in Art History and English? Or does it say Bachelor of Arts in Art History and Bachelor of Arts in English? Would the university say the person has received one bachelor's degree or two?
• What if one major gives a BS and one gives a BA -- does it say Bachelor of Arts in English and Bachelor of Science in Physics? Again, would the university say the person has received one bachelor's degree or two?

I'm hoping to get an answer from someone who has actually seen such a diploma -- no guessing please!

I got to thinking about this courtesy of ex-Yahoo CEO Scott Thompson's alleged bachelor's degree in "accounting and computer science". Duoduoduo (talk) 15:15, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

As a general rule, two diplomas (particularly in cases where the fields are as disparate as "accounting" and "computer science", as no one college within the university will be awarding those two degrees). Exceptions no doubt exist. — Lomn 16:02, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I expect the institution will have openly published their policy and proceedures on this matter, so suggest you check out their website. Benyoch ^{...Don't panic! Don't panic!...} (talk) 16:49, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Further to my above comment, look under the topic of 'Testamur'. Benyoch ^{...Don't panic! Don't panic!...} (talk) 17:01, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I found from a google search that the University of Washington gives a single degree with a "double major" if and only if the degree name is identical for the two majors; the single degree applies even if the majors with identical degree name (e.g., Bachelor of Arts) are given by two different colleges within the university. The university gives a "double degree" -- two separate degrees -- if the degree names are different (e.g. one BA and one BS). They also point out that the named degree "Bachelor of Arts in Business Administration" is a different name from the "Bachelor of Arts" given in English, so in that case you'd get two diplomas for two degrees.

This approach makes so much sense that I suspect it's standard practice in the US. Anyone know any counterexamples?Duoduoduo (talk) 17:27, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I am fairly sure I have heard that some US universities make a distinction between a double major on the one hand, and two bachelor's degrees on the other, with more rigorous requirements for two degrees. That makes more sense to me than the scheme you describe. It might make sense that if one program is a BA and the other is a BS, then the double-major option would not be available, and you would be required to fulfill the extra requirements for getting two degrees. --Trovatore (talk) 04:34, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I was a double major and I received 2 diplomas. Shadowjams (talk) 21:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Bachelor of What and Bachelor of What? Duoduoduo (talk) 22:47, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

A Down Under story: I started off my degree as a Bachelor of Arts in Mathematical Studies, with a double maths major. I finished the first major, then switched to Russian. This was possible under the uni's rules, but I had to accept a renaming of the degree to a BA in Modern Languages (plural, even though I studied only one language; unless you regard mathematics as a language). I got full credit for the maths major, but still got only one degree, which makes no reference to mathematics. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 22:50, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

What's a "double maths major"? You were majoring in two different kinds of mathematics?

(BTW, I never knew you did math. Are you still interested in it? I don't see you commenting on mathematical questions much.) --Trovatore (talk) 23:31, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Yes, two (at that time completely undefined) different areas of mathematics. My left-braininess is still strongly there, but it manifests in other ways; maths as such doesn't much interest me these days. I still check out the Mathematics Ref Desk about once a week, and contribute comments about once a month. Same for Science. As for Computing – I've only ever been there once in my life. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 02:46, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Two undefined? You mean, you wrote down on some form, "I want to major in math and math", or words to that effect, and they said OK? I'm just having trouble picturing that, especially given that (at least in the US, don't know about Oz) undergrad math majors don't usually really pick a mathematical specialty per se. --Trovatore (talk) 02:50, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Yep, that was pretty much as vague as it was (relying on my hazy memory about events that happened in 1975). It wasn't something I needed to decide on Day 1; the idea was that my area of interest for my 2nd maths major would crystallise some time during the period I was doing the 1st, and there were lots of options. Even the 1st one was flexible; it had some standard core units that pretty much everyone did, but there were many ways of completing it. My pathway was a rocky one, replete with withdrawals and even a couple of formal failures because I didn't withdraw before the official cut-off date. As it turned out, I hadn't quite completed it by the time I started on my Russian major, although I wasn't aware of it at the time. After 3 years of (part-time) Russian studies, during which I often exulted in the belief I'd never have to maths ever again, I then discovered I still had 2 maths units to complete. They proved to be the most gruelling things I ever did; not that they were so intellectually challenging per se, but because I was doing them with tremendous resistance and resentment, which I now know never works. But I finally scraped manfully through. From go to whoa took 9 years of part-time study while I worked full-time. Such is the record of genius. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 03:58, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm still not sure I follow. What was the benefit of majoring in math and math, as opposed to just majoring in math? Did your university require two majors, or was there some other advantage in having two? Or maybe you just wanted to learn more math than they would have let you stick around for, if you had only one major? --Trovatore (talk) 04:16, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

(Of course if you get tired of explaining, just say so; I don't really need to know. It's just curiosity.) --Trovatore (talk) 04:19, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

(I work in the Australian Higher Education sector, and have a working knowledge of its administrative history back to 1940). Picture a scene, 1975, a young undergraduate decides to engage in a Bachelor of Arts, with a keen interest in Mathematics. They take enough contributory units for a first major in Mathematics. Then they take enough contributory units for another major in Mathematics. Someone looking at their testamur will realise that they did a lot of maths in their degree. I did the equivalent of a double major in history, but my University didn't recognise that. It didn't matter to me, I just really really dug History. Bachelor of Arts degrees in Australia have traditionally allowed much more specialisation than Liberal Arts type degrees from the United States. People have done double majors in a single subject due to interest, accident and belief that it'd get them a job. Australia also has an (internationally) unusual degree in terms of its undergraduate research honours degree as a direct pathway to PhD study. Fifelfoo (talk) 04:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

That's about a good an answer as I could give, Trovatore. Thanks, Fifelfoo. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 06:22, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

At my undergrad school, the two halves of a double major were not supposed to be too closely related. Specifically, without special permission (which was perhaps not too hard to get), they were not supposed to come from the same "division", so if one of them was math, then the other should not be physics or astronomy.

Interestingly, math was in the division of Physics, Mathematics, and Astronomy, whereas applied math was in the division of Engineering and Applied Science, so by that rule you could double in math and applied math. But I seem to have heard that someone tried it and they found some way not to let him. --Trovatore (talk) 08:29, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

In NZ but I think this also often applies to Australia a distinction is usually made between a conjoint programme and a double major. A double major is two majors in one degree, e.g. a BSc [8]. A conjoint programme means 2 degrees studied concurrently, you can only do specific combinations and there may be restrictions on what you can major in, the amount of study required is a lot less compared to 2 degrees seperately because of more intensive cross crediting [9]. However you do need careful planning and to study more then just doing one degree (even with double majors). At the very least most people even with an intensive schedule usually take at least one year extra I believe. You can also do a double degree which just means 2 degrees, whether studied concurrently or consecutively, the amount of study is obviously quite high although a small amount of cross crediting may be allowed [10]. In both the later cases you obviously get 2 degrees, in the first case only one. AFAIK, there's generally no restrictions on what the majors can be if you choose to do a double major, e.g. maths and applies maths seems to be possible [11] but rare. As may be obvious from the first link, most of the majors are fairly broad anyway, at least in Auckland. There's only Geology, Chemistry, Physics, Biological Science etc. You choose whatever subjects you want over the years (you need to meet any prerequisites of course) but there's no specific 'zoology', 'botany', 'biochemistry' or whatever major as there may have been in the past and still is in some universities. (Although there are a bunch of related specialisations like bioinformatics, biomedical science, marine science, ecology; which include courses from seperate majors; and there's also a BTech in biotechnology [12]. But similarly there's no inorganic chemistry or organic chemistry major, but there is a medicinal chemistry specialisation.) With reference to the original question, while I understand the US doesn't usually have such a clear distinction, the article I linked to earlier, Double degree does mention dual degrees in the US. Nil Einne (talk) 12:12, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Eye movement in Fringe finale

The the season finale of Fringe, a deceased character is connected to a device which revives her long enough for the protagonists to extract some information. During this time, both over her eyes are darting around in seemingly-random directions, completely independently of each other. How was this special effect achieved? I have thought of three possibilities, but I don't know if any are correct:

1. The actress (Rebecca Mader) happens to be able to move both eyes independently.
2. The effects crew connected electrodes to her face to stimulate the eye muscles to move this way.
3. They used CGI to animate fake eyes over her real eyes.

Do any of these make sense? Are any of these what really happened?

98.103.60.35 (talk) 17:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Didnt see it but will offer my two-bob's worth anyway ...

1. possible, though unlikely
2. doubtful, health and safety issue (who would let anyone so mess with your eyes?)
3. quite likely, as falls within the scope of CGI effects these days.

Benyoch ^{...Don't panic! Don't panic!...} (talk) 18:01, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Only CGI makes sense. Although, before CGI, they could have done this by holding her face still while they filmed one half with the other half covered by a black cloth, then reverse it and film the second part as a double exposure on the first. It wouldn't have looked as good as CGI, though. StuRat (talk) 18:02, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I would just add that this could be digital matte editing of a different sort, without CGI. One could imagine just filming the same scene twice and matting out one eye. It would not be extremely hard using a modern video editor and Photoshop. --Mr.98 (talk) 01:50, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Propositioning your best friend

How does one go about asking their best friend if they want to experiment without making things awkward? Anonymous 21:34, 15 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.164.121 (talk)

You will need to go into a parallel universe to do that, as long as you don't mind that your best friend has a goatee in that universe. :-) StuRat (talk) 21:51, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

... I'm a girl. Anonymous 21:59, 15 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.164.121 (talk)

Well, then, maybe you won't mind the goatee.  :-) Care to tell us the gender of this best friend ? StuRat (talk) 22:21, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

She's a girl too. And straight. Which makes me worried that she'll think I'm weird if I suggest this to her. Anonymous 22:23, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

IMHO both sides consuming significant quantities of alcohol beforehand might make things easier, or at the very least provide an "excuse" in the morning if it were awkward. On the other hand, lacking control oneself might make things more difficult. Not sure. 163.1.163.253 (talk) 22:32, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

If you know she's straight, then you know she's not interested. Do you suspect she is not entirely straight ? StuRat (talk) 22:44, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I just know she likes guys, but I've never seen her with a girl and she's never said anything about liking girls. I've never heard her say she isn't attracted to women, though. IDK, I would feel safer trying this with a friend than a stranger. Anonymous 22:48, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

I've never heard my mother denying she's lesbianistically attracted to other women, but I can guarantee you she isn't. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 13:40, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

This isn't really a question the Reference Desk is suited for. Try asking here 82.45.62.107 (talk) 22:31, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Ew, no. People on Reddit are creepy and can be rude. Anonymous 22:48, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Maybe try sliding into the topic indirectly as a hypothetical -- "What would you think if a girl propositioned you?" Maybe ask it right after some other gay/straight discussion occurs, like talking about politicians' positions on gay marriange or something. Duoduoduo (talk) 23:14, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Couldn't help but notice this after posting below. The answer is: There is no possible way for it not to be awkward if it is your best friend, regardless if it is a guy or girl, gay or straight. You either have to "just go for it" and be prepared for rejection and the likelyhood that your existing relationship will change as a result...or just keep it a fantasy, and maintain your friendship. Experience tells me you will likely choose the former, but then wish you had done the latter. Good luck. Quinn ^✹SUNSHINE 01:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Before you go trying something like that, read this[13] as a cautionary tale. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 01:50, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Ha, yeah...be honest with someone about your feelings for them and they might kill you. Great advice </sarcasm>. Though I have to admit that you did provide a source, which the responders above, myself included, did not. We all know verifiability trumps truth in the Wiki-world :) Quinn ^✹SUNSHINE 01:59, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

That was obviously an extreme case. But think about how it works in the "straight world". If you just come out and ask someone if they want to get it on, they might well smack you, or worse. So it's better to put out "feelers", to "test the waters". In this case, for example, saying something about "wondering" what it would be like with another woman. If she runs to the bathroom to throw up, that's probably a hint. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:05, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

My best friend isn't homophobic in the slightest, so I don't think she would react in such an extreme manner. She actually hates people who act like it's something deplorable. Anonymous 02:18, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Being open-minded about what others do does not equate to wanting to do it yourself. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:08, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I gave this a little more thought, and I don't think I'll be going forward with my proposition. I don't think my friend would freak out and stop being friends with me if I asked her, but I don't know what she would think of me and our relationship if she knew this is what I wanted from her. It's not even that I have a crush on her or anything, but over the course of the past year, I've been feeling a bit curious about other girls, and I want to try being with one just to see how legitimate my feelings are. I'd feel dirty doing it with a complete stranger, but I need to experience the sensation at least once, just to get it out of my system. Anonymous 02:15, 16 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.164.121 (talk)

Why not tell your friend exactly that (leaving out the part about the idea of the experiment being with her) and see what she advises? That sounds like a perfectly reasonable problem two best friends might discuss among one another. Quinn ^✹SUNSHINE 02:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I may try that. Though my bigger dilemma at hand is finding a trustworthy sex partner. I'm not sure if she knows anyone she could hook me up with. Anonymous 02:57, 16 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.2.164.121 (talk)

Well, that is indeed beyond the scope of the reference desk, and there are some medical considerations when choosing a sex partner that we can't broach. I wish you well. Quinn ^✹SUNSHINE 03:03, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Your friend wouldn't be much of a friend if they were not honest with you. For example, a couple of months after we had met for the first time, when we were just walking down the street, my good friend asked me if I was straight. I said "yes", he said he wished he was "... as certain". We left it at that, and we stayed good friends for a long time. Posing the question this way round was unusual and in my opinion a better way to approach the subject of a possible relationship that went beyond good friends. Astronaut (talk) 17:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

May 16

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Most nutritious fruit/vegetable?

I am preparing to go on a multiple day kayaking trip. Will be primitive camping on a fresh water river system for likely 4 nights. Space/weight is obviously a concern, so I have to take the bare minimum of gear. The basics of food water and shelter are covered (tent, sleeping bag, water, potted meat & ramen noodles...fish will also be plentiful)…but I’d like to take a fresh fruit or vegetable as well. I have room for about 1 gallon Ziploc bag. What is the best “bang for your buck fruit/vegetable,” nutrition-wise? I am concerned not only about nutrition, but also energy (sugar) and staying regular (fiber). It would be nice to get this all from one source. Any suggestions? Quinn ^✹SUNSHINE 01:33, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

You're concerned about nutrition and you're bringing potted meat ? StuRat (talk) 02:46, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Why does it only have to be one ? I'd bring a variety of dried fruit in that bag. Or you could make your own trail mix with nuts and dried fruit and maybe MMs. If it has to be just one, how about dried blueberries ? (Dried veggies don't seem to work quite as well.) StuRat (talk) 02:15, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I share your feelings on potted meat, but when camping like this, nutrition does not necessarily equal "healthy." Spam and Ramen noodles are small, light, easy to prepare, and filling. Admittedly not foods I would base my everyday diet on, but in this context they are pretty much staples, and I xould survive on just those foods in a pinch, but I wouldn't feel right after the second or third day. This is one reason I'd like to take a fresh fruit or vegetable to "offset" the processed foods. Also, I am taking some trail mix, boiled eggs, and beef jerky...but I didn't want to include my entire packing list. The fresh fruit and/or vegetable is something new I'd like to try to improve my overall "feel good" factor after a couple of days. I'd really like to focus on the specific benefits of freshfruits and/or veggies. Quinn ^✹SUNSHINE 03:00, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

The problem with fresh fruit or veggies is that they will spoil. They would need to be canned to prevent it, which, of course, increases weight. Perhaps plastic cups of mixed fruit and applesauce might work, and still be relatively light. I prefer cinnamon applesauce myself, for the beneficial effects of that spice, and always add my own cinnamon, as they never have enough for me. For veggies, I think you're stuck with a can. You could bring some veggie juice, like V8, or canned mixed veggies, like Veg-All. Some pineapple juice would be good, too (I wonder if you can get that in a juice box). One of those little squeeze bottles of lemon juice that looks like a lemon would be good to add to things for flavor (like water).

You could also bring fresh fruits and veggies, for the first day only, but don't expect them to last beyond that. You'd want something tough, so it won't turn to mush, perhaps celery and carrot sticks.

As for the potted meat, might I suggest you replace that with a jar of peanut butter ? Lots of protein and not nearly as disgusting. You could dip the celery in it or bring crackers, or just eat it straight (with water, of course). I also wonder if those eggs might go bad by the end of the trip. StuRat (talk) 03:46, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Some fruits and vegetables will last for several days at room temperature (and above) and are tough enough (as long as you don't peel them). Apples, oranges, carrots, potatoes and onions are some examples.Sjö (talk) 12:07, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I'd be worried that falling on your back with an orange in there would produce a backpack full of orange juice. StuRat (talk) 16:40, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

A better idea than asking strangers on the Internet would be to grab a backpacker's cookbook. Libraries have them (and outdoor stores.) Rmhermen (talk) 03:44, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Of course dried fruit is much more efficient. The fresh fruit I most commonly take on backpacking trips is limes, but they generally end up mixed with something alcoholic. The other things that make sense are apples, oranges, grapes, and cherries -- most other fruits don't survive abuse very well. Citrus fruits are nice because they are virtually indestructible. For fresh vegetables, I recommend carrots and cucumbers. Looie496 (talk) 04:25, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Dried fruit isn't necessarily more efficient, if you're talking about mass. Yes, dried fruit should weigh less, but you also have to consider the amount of water needed to reconstitute the fruit, either outside or inside your body. Viewed another way, you don't have to drink as much water, if you get lots of water from your fruit. So, if you are camping someplace where you need to bring your own water, it shouldn't make much difference. However, if you plan to drink water from streams (hopefully sterilized), then it will make a big difference in weight. StuRat (talk) 06:36, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Also a tip: it is much better to take fresh eggs than boiled eggs. Fresh eggs, contrary to common belief, have powerful antibacterial agents in the egg white and can last for weeks without spoiling, even without refrigeration. Boiled eggs spoil much more quickly. Looie496 (talk) 04:32, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

But if they crack, you have a mess on your hands. StuRat (talk) 06:29, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Suggest dried cranberries. Good for you, plenty of energy, compact, and unlikely to be damaged by squishing. Don't buy Ocean Spray's Craisins, though, they are more watery than other brands, presumably because people like them that way. If you are not allergic, some nuts or trail mix might be good.--Wehwalt (talk) 11:45, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

On my backpacking trips, I prefer apples. One a day. Since I actually carry a backpack, that much weight amounts to a luxury, but when you are living on dried or otherwise preserved crap, a fresh apple is a pretty sweet luxury. Advantages of apples are that 1) they resist spoilage, bruising, and turning to mush better than most fresh fruits, and 2) they are very rich in fiber, good for keeping your digestion moving. Marco polo (talk) 16:36, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Incidentally, a ziploc bag isn't the most efficient way to pack apples, since their round shape means wasted space filled with air. I would just pack them in with clothes so that there is no wasted space. Also the clothes will cushion them. Marco polo (talk) 16:40, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

But if one does start to rot, you want to contain the effluent. StuRat (talk) 16:41, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

On my many backpacking trips, that issue has never come up. Maybe that's partly because I am usually in a place with cool nighttime temperatures. Also, when I stop for the night, I remove the food from my pack (to secure it from bears) and could see if an apple were starting to get soft and act accordingly. Though I don't think that has even ever happened, because apples are such hardy fruits. If you start with nice fresh apples, your trip is shorter than about 10 days, and you are not going to be in a place with tropical temperatures and humidity, this shouldn't be an issue. Marco polo (talk) 19:28, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Well, you could place the apples individually into ziploc bags, and most of the times can reuse them. Bags are cheap, I use them for freezing stuff quite often (not apples).--Wehwalt (talk) 12:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

If you don't put them into plastic you will end up with apple-scented clothes in your pack which is almost as bad as leaving food in there. Better hang the whole kit and kaboodle out of bear reach. Rmhermen (talk) 12:54, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

When a bear entered my wilderness camp a couple of years ago, she was not interested in my perhaps faintly apple-scented clothes or pack. She headed straight for my bear canister (full of food) and batted it around. When it didn't come open for her, she gave up and headed off. Fortunately, she was no more interested in me than my clothes. Anyway, this method seems to work for me. Marco polo (talk) 15:42, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

time a tank of fuel would last

I was sat in traffic today doing 0 miles per hour, car idling over, no air-con on and I wondered...how long would my car just 'tick over' before it ran out of fuel? Given you guys like specifics lets pick say a Ford Focus with a 55 litre tank (full) sat idling without air-con on. I'm not looking for exact answers, just more of a ballpark, are we talking something sat 'on' for a day, a few days, a week? ny156uk (talk) 17:04, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

A quick search (on "fuel usage idling") suggests about 1 liter per hour for a 4-cylinder engine. — Lomn 17:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I should think idling for 55 hours could make the engine overheat. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:06, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Not a properly designed car in good shape. The fan should blow on the radiator to cool it down. StuRat (talk) 00:08, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

So, anyway, 9 to 10 days would be a ballpark figure. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 00:23, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

9 innings would be a ballpark figure. 55 hours would be a 2.3 days figure. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:15, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I told you it's been a long time since I did maths. -- ♬ Jack of Oz ♬ ^{[your turn]} 05:49, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

If the tank were 55 gallons it might work. However, if you're stuck in a 55 hour traffic jam, gasoline might be the least of your worries. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 12:30, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

To say the least. Wouldn't it matter if you are running the engine to get air conditioning? For me, that is the most likely scenario for extended idling.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:40, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

That reminds me of the problems in the Blizzard of 78 (an event I was barely old enough to remember) where people stuck in their cars on the interstate left their cars idling to keep the heaters on; at least until the snow built up to where it clogged the exhaust pipes of their cars, and they died of carbon monoxide poisoning. --Jayron32 13:13, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I would expect the exhaust to melt away any snow near the exhaust pipe. Of course, if you turned the car off for several hours, then back on, by then the snow might have built up considerably. StuRat (talk) 15:42, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Of course the sensible thing to do if you are going to be stuck motionless for a matter of hours or even more than a minute or two is to turn the engine off. (In winter, obviously keep a blanket in the car, especially for long trips in questionable weather.) Marco polo (talk) 15:35, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I suspect you're from a part of the world where winters aren't very cold. Cars are poorly insulated, and, without the heater running, the temperatures can quickly drop inside to dangerously low levels. The sensible thing to do is to turn the engine back on whenever the temp gets dangerously low (removing any snow blocking the exhaust pipe first). When the fuel is exhausted, dig a hole in the snow (a makeshift igloo), and hide out there until rescue comes. Leave a note on the car so the rescuers can find you.

It's also possible to be stuck in an area where temps get dangerously hot, in which case running the engine to use the A/C makes sense, at least during the hottest part of the day. Once out of fuel, you'd need to look for a shady spot, or maybe, again, bury yourself under the sand (I'm assuming a desert here). Leave a note, as before. StuRat (talk) 15:48, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Table of fighter kill ratios - especially Mustang vs. Bf 109 and Fw 190

Grumman F6F Hellcat#Operational history gives kill ratios based on claims against all Japanese opponents, but most other articles about fighter aircraft lack such numbers. I was searching for a table of kill ratios between different fighter aircraft, but so far failed to find any. (Of course, based on claims and confirmations of both sides and evidence available, there should rather be a frame of ratios than a specific ratio between two aircraft.) In special, I'd like to know the kill ratios of P-51 Mustangs against Bf 109 and Fw 190. Does anybody have information on that? --KnightMove (talk) 19:15, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

May 17

Opinion of girlfriends of wikipedians

(Sorry my English) I'm assuming some wikipedians have girlfriends/wifes/significant others/whatever. Since traditionally women doesn't like geeks and wikipedians are commonly believed to be that, Do you keep it secret to your girlfriends? If so, what do yo say are doing so many time on the Internet? watch porn? :-P

If you don't keep it secret, what´s her opinion (if any) about it? Did she see that as a hobby just like others like to watch soccer? Has she read any of the articles you write? Thank you. 88.2.8.193 (talk) 13:34, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

It is my experience that quite a lot of wikipedians are women. Some of those who are not, are gay men, or otherwise do not have female partners. Your question is unlikely to have a helpful answer, because the question itself contains too many assumptions. AlexTiefling (talk) 13:52, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

My husband knows I contribute to Wikipedia. He used to contribute but left due to a disagreement with another editor. --TammyMoet (talk) 14:56, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

I am a man with a male spouse. He knows that I contribute to Wikipedia and has looked at a few of my contributions. He does not contribute to Wikipedia. He considers me a geek and sees that as a positive quality. Marco polo (talk) 15:29, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

My girlfriend knows I contribute. I'm far from what you are stereotyping as a geek too. (I've got peircings, tattoo's guitars and a motorbike.) You should not assume that every person on here is a geek or a single person sitting in their bedrooms alone. Many, if not all of us have a life outside the project (I would hope). As for my girlfriend opinion, she thinks it makes me a really mature guy, because I explained to her how things work behind the main article space, consensus and what not, and being only 19, it shows that I can actually pass for an adult (sometimes). As for reading through my contributions, she's been doing research on something recently and I watched her reading an article, and I told her that I had made at least on change on it, and she got all exited. MrLittleIrish ^(talk) 申 16:09, 17 May 2012 (UTC)