User talk:Magioladitis

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AWB

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And I still don't understand why you don't understand the rules of use for AWB. Number 4 is pretty clear. Have a read of it. Thanks. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 10:06, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Lugnuts replied to your page. -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

@Lugnuts:, as usual, what's the issue? OccultZone (Talk) 12:14, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone problem solved. Bot was removing only whitespace. Lugnuts reverts some of your edits too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:16, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Happened ages ago I think. This one was pretty unclear though, whether they object you or your bot. OccultZone (Talk) 12:18, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Lugnuts I redid and then undid edits in The Wonders (film) to check the issue you mentioned. I have discovered where the problem is. Error #61 (refs after punctuation) was not properly cleaned after the problem was fixed due to the large number of pages with this problem. I am extend the numbers of pages checked whether the error was fix or not. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Yobot messes up talk page layout

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Since when does {{Image requested}} go in the middle between wikiproject banners? See for example [1], [2], [3] - Evad37 [talk] 22:20, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Evad37 fixed. I'll run the bot tomorrow to fix the messy edits. Thanks for the heads up, Magioladitis (talk) 22:30, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Magioladitis. You should also add {{AURD}} as another redirect. - Evad37 [talk] 22:39, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Evad37:  Done in this edit - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:09, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

@Evad37 and GoingBatty: I fixed all the pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:15, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually, that just seemed to break everything... since it's changed everything to "WikiProject Australia Roads" instead of {{WikiProject Australian Roads}}, eg [4], there's probably a typo in the code. - Evad37 [talk] 09:25, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Evad37 I suck :( I fixed(???) it now. Please check. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

You don't suck, you're just human and made a mistake :) - Evad37 [talk] 09:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Or two... in this edit, the |attention-map=yes is changed to |attention=-map=yes, and the same thing has happened with |attention-rjl=yes changed to |attention=-rjl=yes, eg [5]. Should be possible to fix with an AWB or bot run, once the problem that caused this to happen is sorted out. - Evad37 [talk] 09:47, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

• Template naming fixed. "WikiProject Australia Roads" has 0 transclusions now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:51, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
• Bug found and fixed.
• @Evad37: parameters corrected too. If I missed anything please report to me. I won't be online in a few hours so report now or I'll fix it tomorrow. :)-- Magioladitis (talk) 10:00, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

If the fix for |attention-rjl= was already in there, why did [6] happen? - Evad37 [talk] 10:20, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I am not sure... -- Magioladitis (talk) 10:27, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

I removed anything that could cause this kind of problems in the future. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:15, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikilinking

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Hi, and thanks for your work on the English Wikipedia.

I noticed an article you worked on. Just a short note to point out that we don’t normally link:

• dates
• years
• commonly known geographical terms (including well-known country-names), and
• common terms you’d look up in a dictionary (unless significantly technical).

This applies to infoboxes, too.

Thanks, and my best wishes.

Tony (talk) 08:25, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Er, Tony1, assuming that this is the edit in question, I don't see any of your problems there. Are you sure that you're not messaging the wrong person? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:01, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Redrose64, possibly: but the interesting thing about your post is the templates you use, which I need to bring into my repertory. Tony (talk) 03:39, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Tony1 It was not me that added wikilinks to dates. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:12, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Suzannah Lipscomb

Hi, as an admin can you please advise whether the reference to the subject teaching at the middle eastern dancing school can be included? TheRedPenOfDoom keeps deleting it and I think it is valid. Can you please give your opinion? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lw1982 (talk • contribs) 12:34, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

@Lw1982:, I have reverted your change. Nothing can be done about TheRedPenOfDoom, he only asked you to prove if they are same person or not. You haven't discussed any of your changes with the editor. OccultZone (Talk) 13:06, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't understand why TheRedPenOfDoom is allowed to remove my edits and when I reinstate I get accused of disruptive editing? How is this fair? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lw1982 (talk • contribs) 13:18, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

• This page was very dramatic for a while.. You know it went to WP:DRN, then WP:AFD, WP:ANI, WP:COI and also the talk page of Jimmy Wales(he would later comment). Because I had no opinion on this subject except acknowledging the notability it seemed to have been messed up. It has finally taken rest. OccultZone (Talk) 17:17, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Wildbot and the last chiliad

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Been many month since we last spoke. Currently the Wildbot population is at 568/1574 finished. I do not foresee utility in the last 1,000 tags as the WP:DPL contest is more effective. Thus I recommend complete removal of the Wildbot disambiguation tags. — Dispenser 15:25, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Dispenser how do I obtain the full list? I started doing the 568 pages semi-manually since my bot is blocked at the time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:24, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Dispenser I finished the list given above. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:32, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I didn't knew, no wonder you haven't looked into multiple concerns above. "Cosmetic bot" is obviously a bad allegation, because your bot has edited on almost every page that I had created, all of those edits were just more than the cosmetic changes. So how you will be dealing with the present situation? Most of all, I hope you are alright. OccultZone (Talk) 12:03, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Dispenser I fixed everything. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:13, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

¿AWB use case? : Adding hyperlinks to non-template citations

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Hi,

I got sufficiently peeved about citations without hyperlinks that I totally vandalized one of @Jerome Kohl:'s pages: Klang (Stockhausen) (Klartext: Ich habe das Literaturverzeichnis mit Hyperlinks zugänglich gemacht, ohne das Textbild zu verändern.)

It turns out that there are plenty more pages that need to get vandalized the same way, but without a tool to automate this, the workload is prohibitive.

Is Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser the proper tool to automatize adding hyperlinks to O(10^2.5) citations on a wiki page? If so, I'd like to foistrespectfully suggest it to @Jerome Kohl: ... and avoid having to start using such a dangerously powerful tool as Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser myself, just 5 days after thinking about whether I want to take editing wikipedia seriously.

Gruß, Tatzelbrumm (talk) 11:31, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

No. See WP:CITEVAR. In any case, what you did there would have been far more efficiently achieved by the use of {{harv}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:53, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

More efficient, no doubt, but as far as I can see the "harv" template cannot be used without {{citation}} templates in the list of references, and this forces a wholesale change of citation style, contrary to WP:CITEVAR. This was the whole point of the exercise.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 15:05, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Two comments.

First, the main curator of the page (Hi, Jerome!) and I tried {{harv}}, and found it too disruptive to a very consistent citation variant compliant to citation conventions in paper scholarly journals on the subject. So I added hyperlinks without forcing the use of template:citation. I don't presume to question the pros and cons of citation styles with the professional editor of a scholarly journal, but I do want to add hyperlinks to them, because that's what the WWW is all about.

Second, my question is about whether AWB is technically capable of adding the hyperlinks that template:citation provides without forcing a WP:CITEVAR conflict with authors who have good reason not to follow the conventions forced by templates. It seems that with your "No.", you want to tell me that I shouldn't use AWB to change citations without prior consensus. Pease clarify if your answer refers to what AWB is capable of, or to how it should be used.

So let me rephrase my question:

Is Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser technically powerful enough that a wikipedia editor with 40000 contributions can automatize an enhancement of O(100) citations on O(100) pages he authored?

With great power comes great responsibility.^{[ Uncle Ben ]} — Tatzelbrumm (talk) 15:34, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

It's not necessary to use {{citation}} if you want to use {{harv}}. All you need to do is wrap the existing plain text full citation in a {{wikicite}}. For instance, if the main text has

(Stockhausen 2006a, 10)

and the full citation reads

* Stockhausen, Karlheinz. 2006a. ''Stockhausen-Courses Kuerten 2006: Composition Course on KLANG/SOUND, the 24 Hours of the Day: First Hour: ASCENSION for Organ or Synthesizer, Soprano and Tenor, 2004/05, Work No. 81''. Kürten: Stockhausen-Verlag.

we would alter the first to

{{harv|Stockhausen|2006a|p=10}}

and the second to

*{{wikicite|ref={{harvid|Stockhausen|2006a}} |reference=Stockhausen, Karlheinz. 2006a. ''Stockhausen-Courses Kuerten 2006: Composition Course on KLANG/SOUND, the 24 Hours of the Day: First Hour: ASCENSION for Organ or Synthesizer, Soprano and Tenor, 2004/05, Work No. 81''. Kürten: Stockhausen-Verlag. }}

The {{harvid}} template converts surname(s) and year into the format expected by {{harv}}; the {{wikicite}} creates the actual anchor. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:09, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

HEUREKA! That makes life much easier ... now, if you tried to apply this to, say, Karlheinz Stockhausen and a dozen more pages like this, would AWB be the tool to do it? — Tatzelbrumm (talk) 16:45, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

@Tatzelbrumm: Considering your dedication to this source language, granted. But I do have a question that why the simple and most common reflinking style hasn't been used on this page? Even the lead of this article looks problematic. What will AWB do? You can use such reference style only if you have the consensus from other editors, for every particular page or wikiproject. OccultZone (Talk) 16:51, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone: You need to ask these questions to @Jerome Kohl:, who wrote the articles (or rather, don't. It will start a rather pointless debate about the fine points of citation style conventions). I don't care about citation formats. I just want the citations to be hyperlinked in both directions, and leave the text alone. For that and only that, I have consensus ... but I would prefer to find a tool the author can use by himself, and substitute the patterns shown in the <code> sections above. AWB seems to be the pattern replacement tool of choice for the folks whose bots legitimately vandalizeautocorrect pages. — Tatzelbrumm (talk) 17:37, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Now it sounds better, you have pinged Jerome, he will probably read. OccultZone (Talk) 17:45, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

This sounds perfect. I had never before heard of the "wikicite|ref" template. I have been wondering for years why my question about making a version of the "citation" template to accommodate Chicago Style had gone unanswered. It looks like the answer is: it is totally unnecessary. Thank you so much!—Jerome Kohl (talk) 17:59, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

It's just called the {{wikicite}} template. The |ref= shown above is one of its two parameters - the other is |reference= --Redrose64 (talk) 20:34, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Comma

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Your change here I can understand. I noticed my construction as being unusual (usually the footnote does follow the period or comma). But I left it unusual because I was footnoting only the one, last word of that part of the definition (an alternative spelling I'd encountered); moving the footnote "outside" the comma makes it seem more like it covers the whole opening phrase of the definition.

I found in the process that the footnotes generally (or at least on the one word I worked on) was a dud. My footnote didn't conflict with anything in the definition; and I wasn't going to take on the larger problems with the article (then at least); so on I went.

For what it's worth. Cheers. Swliv (talk) 00:47, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

@Swliv: personal advise, whenever you add "< ref >" tag to the sentence, make sure that you have already added a comma or a dot before you would add a reference tag. To me, it looks much easier to read. I have fixed the external link's issue on that page. Have fun. OccultZone (Talk) 03:15, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

@Swliv: references go always after punctuation per WP:REFPUNCT. Please check the explanation and the examples. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:14, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Great Smoky Mountains Parkway

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Thank you for cleaning up my editing blunder on the Great Smoky Mountains Parkway page. I didn't realize that I had done that. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 08:14, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Allen (Morriswa) Like -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:08, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

This article needs much more expansion and clean up. Allen (Morriswa) (talk) 21:56, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits

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Thanks for the edits to my articles. They are much better now. Karrattul (talk) 11:57, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

Karrattul Like -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:08, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Flagged empty Platelets section

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Thanks for flagging the empty sections I created in Platelets. I will be working on filling in the blanks soon unless someone beats me to it!

Regards -

IiKkEe (talk) 14:15, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

@IiKkEe: I found a red link, Thrombopoietin mimetics, so I created a page about it. OccultZone (Talk) 14:24, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

IiKkEe anytime. Happy editing! -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:07, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the beautifying!

Hello Magioladitis-- Thank you for making our efforts look good. :-) You should know that three more teams from our project will post their findings under "Major themes" soonish (everything sort of stops here for Labor Day); we'll try and get the references in the right order (that's partly what we got wrong, right?)--DrX (talk) 18:55, 22 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	I was thinking how Wikipedia would have been without you. It wouldn't had been as interesting as it is now. I've went through the archives of number of pages, seems like you had hard time but you never gave up, remained civil and kept up the good work. It is impressive and inspirational. Thanks once again for these millions of edits(including bot). OccultZone (Talk) 04:37, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! -- Magioladitis (talk) 04:39, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Primeval

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I have no idea what's going on with Primeval. Your last edit causes a close tag to be displayed in the text. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:52, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Actually, the problem was a malformed tag "<!-->" that should have been "-->". --AussieLegend (✉) 08:03, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

I checked too, should have been solved on first sight. OccultZone (Talk) 08:09, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

hi

Hi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.189.246.69 (talk) 01:59, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

very impressive

I'm impressed of your mental abilities. Best wishes...Jakub Szymański (talk) 20:58, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Jakub Szymański thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:06, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

no problem, you deserved, this was little appreciation for your technical effort in emendation of articles (and for shape of your working) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jakub Szymański (talk • contribs) 19:49, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

AWBing errors

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Your edits to List of Kamen Rider Gaim episodes and List of Ressha Sentai ToQger episodes actually broke the formatting of the page by revealing hidden content that is just meant to be copied and pasted for easier formatting by correcting some "error" where there is not another --> tag on the page when only one is necessary.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:35, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Ryulong yes I noticed your reverts. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:37, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Btw, I only use AWB to open the pages. All edits are manual and there are no automated edits involved. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:39, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Review of article

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Have your on List of villages and mandals in Guntur district. Vin09 (talk) 04:44, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

@Vin09: Reviewed. OccultZone (Talk) 04:49, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Re: Cosmetic Changes

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Users are allowed to make cosmetic changes in mass number? I am not asking about you or myself, but the users who have recently gained the access of AWB. OccultZone (Talk) 07:19, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

My first concern is there should be no mistakes, vandalism is not covered by AWB changes and bugs are reported so we can improve software logic. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:23, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

It is impossible to make mistake with AWB, usually if someone has broken the settings of spellings or person has used their own module/settings, there will be error. But cosmetic changes are usually objected by too many editors, adding that edit should be a benefit to article. OccultZone (Talk) 07:26, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

True. Spellings, incorrect template substitutions, incorrect module and mainly bugs can cause serious problems. Most recently I did this which I fixed. We should try to minimise these. I certainly would not like edits that only change whitespace/casing for no reason. And yes, there are always the Rules of Use but I try not to give anyone a hard time unless this goes for a long time. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:31, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone I think I know which user you mean. I'll have an eye on them. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:35, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Sure and as long as you take good care of them we will find more gems. After all Cut is a quality factor that determines the value of a diamond. OccultZone (Talk) 06:00, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

My Stealthy Freedom

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Can you put this page under protection? My Stealthy Freedom

There is a user user:Qizilbash123 who adds his personal views to this article without any reference. Soroush90gh (talk) 07:34, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Soroush90gh I did but only for 1 day and only because an anonymous IP was used to bypass the WP:3RR. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:38, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Your contribution to the "National Institute of Technology, Kurukshetra" page by adding details about the director

Hi,

I am an alumni from NIT Kurukshetra and have been contributing to its wiki page. I saw your contribution about the life of the Director, which gives more details than the University itself. I appreciate it, but I think that this page is about NIT Kurukshetra, and your content pulls the attention towards the director. I suggest that if you want to upload this information, it will be better to create a new page about him. But since he is not as important to have a wiki page on him, he better needs no introduction beyond his description on website of the university.

What do you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.151.76.100 (talk) 11:43, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

@91.151.76.100: I am not sure if this institute is notable. OccultZone (Talk) 12:59, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Zoltan Hajos

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Dear Professor Magioladitis,thank you for editing the Zoltan Hajos page. The page could be linked to the existing "Aldol Reactions" page, however, I am not familiar with the technique of linking. Therefore, I would greatly appreciate your input. Many thanks, Zoltan Hajos Zghajos (talk) 17:05, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

@Zghajos: Linked on List of Hungarians and Budapest University of Technology and Economics. OccultZone (Talk) 17:32, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for inserting the links. Zoltan Hajos Zghajos (talk) 13:30, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

WPCleaner

Seems like it causes errors but very fast as well. What you think? OccultZone (Talk) 08:25, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone what kind of errors? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:42, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Bracketbot had informed you about them. With AWB it is actually rare. OccultZone (Talk) 08:45, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone WPCleaner does not do any automated fixing. It only warns whether a CHECKWIKI error exists in a page and whether it was fixed by user's actions. Yes, I still prefer AWB in most cases but I would like to improve it's ability to fix unbalanced brackets further. On the other hand, WPCleaner has some other advantages which I really like. --- Magioladitis (talk) 08:51, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Sounds special, its good to check various programs and scripts. I also liked AutoEd. OccultZone (Talk) 09:02, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

More pointless edits

Please stop Edits like this are prohibited. Why do you keep on editing like this? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:45, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

@Koavf: Wikipedia:TPL#Lead_.28bannerspace.29 has specific coding for bannerspaces. I copy from the other talk pages until I get frequent, or I have to stroll on those pages where I had seen. If there is a correct or more specific code I don't really see anything wrong there. I don't know what you meant by 'prohibited'. OccultZone (Talk) 15:19, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone: Compare this with this. They are in no way different. I have come to this user's talk page many, many times to tell him about these pointless edits which are prohibited by AWB's guide since they are pointless but he continues making them—often in large volume. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 03:57, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone. This is a case of calling the kettle black. Koavf complains this "trivial" editing fills up his watchlist. Koavf is the #1 editor in terms of edits, so he fills up more watchlists than anybody else. Koavf will mass delete stuff from articles without even looking at the refs or content. Look at his article history and you will see periods where he edits three articles with more than three edits in under a minute while making mass deletes from the article. He will never add an edit summary, evar, as it slows down his edit speeds. He also loves pointless edits. In short, Koavf does the exact same thing Magioladitis does, matches or exceeds Magioladitis' edit speed at times and flaunts the rules. Kettle black. Bgwhite (talk) 05:10, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: Well put. I remember I used to make pointless/cosmetic changes myself for a while and you had told me that I should not. I stopped. Now I've got 1000s of pages to edit manually as well as edit with Awb(it includes bad parameters, wikilinking, etc). Considerably many of our editors race with the edit count so they have to resort with 'pointless edits', but as usual I've seen the latest contributions of Magioladitis. Sometimes he has done 50 edits in just 2-3 minutes, and they are benefit. OccultZone (Talk) 05:18, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Having recently blocked Magioladitis's bot User:Yobot for making trivial edits like this, I am dismayed to see that Magioladitis is now making exactly the same sort of edits on his main account, despite making assurances on User talk:Yobot that this practice will end. @Bgwhite: your comments are unhelpful. This was a good faith request to stop making cosmetic edits, and you have made no effort to address the issue but instead tried to smear another user. If you wish to bring up a different issue with Koavf, then I suggest you use his talk page instead of trying to deflect the criticism here. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:25, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

MSGJ Koavf. Jumping in without knowing the history between Koavf and making assumptions does no good. Koavf has repeatedly asked Magioladits, me and others to stop filling up his watchlist. His has complained on valid Checkwiki edits and completely manual edits. He has also complained about edit summary problems. Koavf does this while doing the exact same thing. The point being, accusing one of doing things all the while doing the same things is hypocritical and not worthy of further discussion. Bgwhite (talk) 17:25, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

We are discussing 1 edit in a series of 1,000+ I did the last 2 days. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:42, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite and MSGJ: I gave Justin a warning for not using edit summaries. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Looks like I will have to use edit summaries for every edit now.. OccultZone (Talk) 14:03, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Pointless edits You claim that we're discussing only one edit but there's also this and this and several others. Would you like to discuss more edits like this? I'll grant that I only used auto-generated edit summaries but those edits are within the guidelines at WP:TRIVIA whereas what you're doing is prohibited and you've been told time and time again to not do it (evidently having another account blocked for it as well). Templating me serves no constructive purpose (which you know anyway but would know because of the similar post on my talk page). You never answered the question that was asked of you in the first place and instead shifted to me: why are you making these edits? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Koavf my advice on you is irrelevant and has to do with complains about you raised on this page. One of the two edits you showed is completely manual as you can observe. I wrote above that I do some template standardisation in talk page banners. For example, is this specific edit disallowed by what? It was not done by AWB. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:33, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Dummy edits The AWB handbook explicitly tells you to not use the software for this purpose, which you know. Dummy edits can serve a purpose (as mentioned in the help page) but this is not one of them. Manually changing instances of templates into slightly different names serves no function so why would you do it semi-automatically or manually? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:38, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Koavf it is easier to spot WikiProjects. Many people do that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:43, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

WikiProjects How is that? Who else does this? I don't see how using "{{WikiProject Albums}}" versus "{{album}}" makes anything easier for anyone. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 16:44, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

You'll be surprised. :) Some years ago everyone was using their own name convention for WikiProjects. Nowadays, after a lot of effort, the community manages to create "WikiProject..." pseudo-namespace and all WikiProjects start with this name to avoid confusion. Many redirects were retargeted. Similar things happened with "Infobox..." and hatonotes. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:48, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Code that does this is here. Four editors have contributed and used the code in bot runs. You can see for yourself the mess all the different names. Other editors use the same code. One used it for "photo needed" work. He couldn't get at the "photo needed" tag inside WikiProject Banners because off all the different names the banners were called. He used the code to goto one name and then uses an easy if statement to do the rest of the work. This was approved as a valid bot run. Bgwhite (talk) 17:34, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: All the more reason to not do it manually: if it's flagged as a bot, I can ignore it from my watchlist. If a bot is to be doing this, then let the bot do it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:01, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Koavf, except there are bots that cannot use the code and people manually changing things based on the proper name. You asked, "How is that? Who else does this?" and I showed you. Keeping it off your watchlist is not a valid reason. On my watchlist, there are editors I ignore because I either trust what they are doing (ie you or magioladitis) or doing something with routine (ie waacats with persondata). Bgwhite (talk) 18:17, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: So what is the function of bots or getting their actions approved anyway? Bots being flagged as bots is the purpose of bots. But even if you want to derail about my edits (as above and which constitutes a false equivalence) or one of these edits, the fact remains that he's making and has made thousands of edits that he is not supposed to make with AWB. I've been here over and over again about this issue and you changing the subject to be about me is irrelevant. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:19, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Koavf, again, some bots cannot use the code and people are manually changing things based on the proper name. Thus, you do it manually. I am not changing the subject, just bringing up your hypocritical arguments. You refuse to add edit summaries and do the exact same of trivial edits as Magioladitis. Telling somebody else to follow the rules when you refuse to follow them makes it so you have no standing to complain. Bgwhite (talk) 20:41, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: I do not and you're being ridiculous. Show me when I made an edit like the ones above: where the appearance and functionality are identical. And show me please where I do that thousands of times over several days and have someone coming to my talk over and over again about it. That didn't happen, so you're being ridiculous. And even if I *were* a hypocrite, that wouldn't make my point untrue or my argument invalid. This is still a waste of time and a distraction. What if someone else pointed this out over and over again? Then what? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:11, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I think it has been made clear that my edits have been helpful for other editor, bot and software. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:57, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Koavf the things written by Bgwhite are somehow relevant because in a parallel discussion, one of the main problem of my bot's edits discussed in that the edit summaries are not very clear. So there are many things involved in these discussions making things unclear: It's the edit summaries, it's some problems on bot not editing properly, it's me doing some edits that you find "pointless", "cosmetic", etc. As soon as we solve each problem separately then we will find the solution to all. -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:43, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Slightly confused

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Over at WT:NRHP, someone's asked why you performed this edit. Could you respond at that page's "National Register of Historic Places listings in Sussex County, Delaware" section? Nyttend (talk) 18:51, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Nyttend answered there. Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:02, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

California's 33rd Assembly District

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Hey Magioladitis,

Your edit here replaced an unreferenced tag with a refimprove tag. Could you point out what content needs additional or improved references? I'll work to improve the references if you can let me know which content requires it. In the meantime, I am going to remove the tag. Let me know if you have an issue with the removal. Thanks! Meatsgains (talk) 05:39, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Meatsgains, references for the 2012 election results and the statistics in the infobox are the two glaring problems. Bgwhite (talk) 05:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite:, thanks for the quick response. I went ahead and added references to the 2012 election results but could not find any sources to support the statistics in the infobox. I'm sure they are accurate, however i don't know where to find a source to back these numbers up. Thanks for the input. I will keep looking. Meatsgains (talk) 06:09, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Meatsgains, try http://spreadsheets.latimes.com/stateAssembly-2011-0729 Bgwhite (talk) 06:17, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: Awesome, thanks! That spreadsheet gave me all the information I needed except voting age and citizen voting age. I'll continue looking for a source. Meatsgains (talk) 06:27, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment

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Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:47, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

The above proposal was closed by Xeno. You had any opinion? I shared none. OccultZone (Talk) 17:10, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

I had no time to follow the discussion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:12, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Revert war

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I don't expect an admin to initiate a revert war. I made good faith changes to the article and explained why. My edits were appropriate. Your revert was not. I have reverted your revert as I don't think aggression should be allowed to win the day. Reverting is an ugly tool. Join in the discussion and stop behaving so badly. Shame on you. SilkTork ^{✔Tea time} 09:21, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

SilkTork I left a message at Wikipedia_talk:Talk_page_layout#Changes after my revertion. You changed something that was untouched for 9 months, then you changed something that was established after a multi-editors discussion. I see no aggression from my side. I respect the discussion made with other editors and their opinion. I am sure you do too but you were not informed of the discussion I presume. About Wikipedia:Edit warring. You went on changing for stuff on the page after I informed you about the situation and that many editors helped on establishing a consensus. I thanked you for opening a discussion and you are welcome to ask more editors to participate in the discussion. I already contributed. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:25, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Changes to impose an opinion while there is an ongoing discussion. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:38, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@SilkTork: You've made 2 reverts or changes concerning the same content. He did one, so how it was a 'revert war'? [7] was done with a software/tool? I know that you cannot use it for reverting while during edit dispute. OccultZone (Talk) 11:20, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

For everyone involved: Please read this, this & this. (t) Josve05a (c) 12:07, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

So I was OK. SilkTork becomes bold and changes, I disagree, revert and leave a message on the talk page. I should not have been reverted. And in fact I think Wikipedia:Rollback was used which is completely inappropriate since "rollback is used to undo problematic edits such as vandalism". -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:17, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

@SilkTork: It seems to me that Magioladitis was following our usual WP:BRD process, and your revert of 09:18 marked the start of the edit war. The correct step at that point, was to return to the talk page and continue discussion, not to make your edit again. So if there's any shame, it should be yours. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:16, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

European United Left–Nordic Green Left

Hi. You said I disagree - I am curious, why? Denisarona (talk) 13:26, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Denisarona Hi and thanks for contacting. I disagree for the reasons given by other editors. No reason to add local names in the wikilink. You can use the talk page to state your arguments though since I do not have strong feelings about it but please at least put some description when editing. You reverted others for no obvious reason. Thanks. -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:28, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

I reverted the IP's edit because they gave Every party name is in English. as the reason. I then explained my action of the IP's talk page. Not all the names are English and e.g. the Spanish party We can is listed under its Spanish name on the English Wikipedia and is referred to by its Spanish name on English language news broadcasts (as is Sinn Féin from Ireland). Regards Denisarona (talk) 13:35, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks and inquiry

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Magioladitis, Thanks for your assist in clean up at Puerto Rico on stamps using AWB. I was trying to emulate another Puerto Rico-related article and got it about half right. Is there a tutorial on using bots to improve articles of major contribution? I notice occasional collegial assistance by these means at Battle of Fort Pulaski or Pauline Maier. I would like to learn to run some of them myself…or at least understand better how they work.

I am also interested/intimidated by the more advanced forms of footnoting which automatically generate a bibliography, but which make it impossible for me to trace back to add page number references for additional contributions to an article using this seemingly preferred convention found in many history-related articles. Any suggestions for further reading? TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 12:33, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

@TheVirginiaHistorian: Bot repeat the same action. If you want to make the article better, you can have a look at number of articles that have been sourced well. What you mean by 'collegial'? You mean 'collegian'? On Pauline Maier there is improper use of section 'Further reading'. Same issue with Battle of Fort Pulaski, there is no need to mention description of the section title, like you did under the Access today. Although the information has been nicely imported into articles. OccultZone (Talk) 18:12, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Hey. I meant collegial, like marked by camaraderie among colleagues, a good thing at WP. Like your assist at the articles of interest. Thanks. a) Is there a tutorial on using AWB and other most commonly used tools I see editors apply? --- b) Is there one for advanced footnoting -- I note that several systems are used, but the WP:MOS prefers the same footnote system to be used throughout, and I have not mastered the one with more coding...--- when I make an inconsistent footnote, a collegial editor comes along and perfects my citation entry to conform with the more complex coding, --- but I had hoped to learn how to do it myself by reference to a tutorial I learned about from an inquiry here. I am sure there is some sort of efficiency gained. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 19:18, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @TheVirginiaHistorian: In which article do you encounter "the one with more coding"? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:32, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. At Confederate States of America there are three styles, the first being the most elementary which I (and some others) am comfortable with, <ref>Davis, William C. (1994). A Government of Our Own: The Making of the Confederacy. New York: Free Press. pp. 294–295. ISBN 978-0-02-907735-1.</ref>.

The two other forms I am interested in mastering have more code, one using a ref name convention, the other a cite book: a) <ref name="personal.tcu.edu">{{cite web|url=http://personal.tcu.edu/swoodworth/Crofts.htm |title=Reluctant Confederates |publisher=Personal.tcu.edu |date= |accessdate=2014-04-19}}</ref>, and b) <ref>{{cite book|author=Chris DeRose|title=Congressman Lincoln|url=http://books.google.com/books?id=VyqB2ga-IUkC&pg=PT116|year=2013|publisher=Simon and Schuster|page=116}}</ref>.

There are editor/administrators who periodically translate the simpler format into one of the two others, sometimes rendering multiple same source references as a b c d [cite]. I would like to ease their burden by learning how to do it myself, the elegance of the outcome is attractive. I am not asking for someone to do something, I am interested in learning for myself. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 06:23, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @TheVirginiaHistorian: When you edit, do you see a bar above the edit window with a set of buttons including "Cite"?

If so, move your cursor to the point where you want to add the reference, and then click "Cite". If you then see a dropdown menu on the next bar, labelled "Templates", use that to choose between web, news, book, and journal (ie journal article). Then fill in the boxes which apply to your reference. If you might want to use the ref another time, give it a name in the "Ref name" field. There's a "More fields" option at the bottom if you want to add further fields. You can check the reference by hitting "Preview" and then "Show parsed preview". To re-use an existing reference, go to "Named references", and choose between the refs you have named.

If you don't see this, go to "Preferences" and look under the "Editing" tag, "Editing" section. Tick the boxes for "Show edit toolbar (requires JavaScript)", "Enable enhanced editing toolbar" and "Enable wizards for inserting links ...". As far as I know that will make the system work for you.

I hope that helps. It makes it much easier to add references elegantly. PamD 10:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 12:50, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Occult's thread

@TheVirginiaHistorian: AWB is not a bot, but semi automated program. Read WP:AWB. You can get the access of AWB, as you have done more than 8,000 edits. You can submit a request on Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser/CheckPage. OccultZone (Talk) 00:22, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

• Our request checkers might be doing a good job. But I really think that the conditions of AWB should be made harder. No idea where it should be discussed, but I think I will get the consensus. Those who aim to 'fight with vandals'(main purpose) have a clue? I doubt. They may have more than 10,000 edits but nothing when it comes to editing. What you think Magioladitis? I think I had mine when I had some 2,500 mainspace edits and about 19 articles. OccultZone (Talk) 00:30, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Occult, Good distinction between a bot and a semi automated program, and it is well you pointed it out in both the first and second post, as repetition is the key to learning. Let's move on, I may be slow but I am not malicious. So for simple self-correcting semi automated programs, like the one removing extra spaces I copy and paste into articles from drafts, I take it from Occult that I should just wait for other editors "with a clue"?

So the answer --- here so far --- is that there is no such array of tutorials of semi automated programs for interested editors, AWB, for one, is a routine which editors with adequate intelligence can pick up on their own within some 2,500 edits in 19 articles, others need not apply, and more restrictions should be placed on semi automated programs, that is, "the conditions of AWB should be made harder" for those who inquire after its use. Very well, just asking Magioladitis, since he was the editor making the constructive assist at Puerto Rico on stamps, as I said at the start of my thread. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 05:52, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

You have to apply yourself if you want the access of AWB. I think someone else can also place the request, but it has to be confirmed that whether you want the access or not. The AWB's rule #4 suggest that you should not make those edits that have no effect on the page. Means, changing "the United States" to "the USA", that is the example of a non-effective edit. Because the meaning, language, content are still same. OccultZone (Talk) 06:07, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)I don't think that's a good, or even accurate, example (and am not sure what you intended to mean by "non-effective"). There may be a lot of good reasons to change "the United States" to "the USA" (or vice versa): policy, consistency within an article, etc. This is not "An edit that has no noticeable effect on the rendered page". Removing a space after the end of a paragraph, or changing a template name from {{stub}} to {{Stub}}, those are the kinds of edit to which rule 4 applies, as I understand it. PamD 11:07, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@PamD: I tried to make simple for him, but you knew how to make simpler. Thanks for the time. OccultZone (Talk) 11:42, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Let me see if I can repeat back correctly to see if I got it. When I see a useful "semi automated program" (SAP), go to "WP:SAP" and apply to use it. Then read through the guide and apply it to other articles I'm working on to gain the same good effect,

An example to follow would be like checking for redundant category tags as Magioladitis does, or removing extra spaces at end of paragraphs in cut-and-paste passages, --- but semi automated programs are not to be used in non-effective edits or edit wars such as those this week related to U.S., US and USA featured at United States. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 12:41, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@TheVirginiaHistorian: Not an issue. I have used semi-automated program on thousands of pages. If you have been reverted, then don't revert back. If you think that the revert was wrong, you can ask on the talk page of user or wikipage. Simple. OccultZone (Talk) 12:43, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Yep, or in the case of stalker-disrupters, Request for Comment, then Dispute Resolution. Sounds like we are on the same page. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 12:54, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

"stalker disrupters"? Read WP:Wikihounding, abuse of the rule can lead to a block. OccultZone (Talk) 13:19, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

That is something I haven't wanted to pursue, since I generally find collegial support for what I would like to see, or at least "half-a-loaf" outcomes. As a rule, I argue scholarly sources should trump editor POV, regardless of their persistence. But since my arguments are not always persuasive to unsourced disrupters who are reduced to arguing scholars cannot tell us anything, --- I just write off sustained narrative shortcomings to the inherent collaborative process at WP, and find another way to contribute elsewhere in the "great jigsaw puzzle". The WP article is, for the most part, a better than average introduction to any subject, and its footnotes offer online and offline avenues to pursue independent research, regardless of transient vandalism. It's good to be a part of it. In any case, thanks for your patience and encouragement. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 19:43, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@TheVirginiaHistorian: There are moments, no matter how many scholars you will be quoting or even the primary source.. If there are enough editors to push some isolated POV, the isolated POV will be the edition but nothing is final. You know you are allowed to seek opinion from other noticeboards. My personal advise would be that an editor should contribute to multiple subjects. Otherwise it becomes easy to generalize a editor, and topic ban becomes No.1 opinion for dealing with the problem(if there is, with the editor). Sometimes situation becomes too critical that you cannot stop yourself from breaking 3-revert rule. My another advise would be that one should seek help from other editor but never edit the disputed content 3 times during the edit dispute with another editor, for 36 hours. There won't be a block. OccultZone (Talk) 16:55, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Help with my page please

Hi there, I'm trying to improve the wiki page for my great grandfather, Wifrid Ernest Sanderson, the English composer.

Can you help me add the photo of him? I have uploaded it to wiki commons, but I can't get the photo to display on his page.

Also, the title of the page should be Wilfrid Ernest Sanderson, where Wifrid is spelt with two "i"s, Wilfrid and NOT Wilfred. Can you change that??

Many thanks,

Tom Sanderson

Tomstuartsanderson (talk) 09:17, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) (Busy putting off jobs I really ought to be doing today...)@Tomstuartsanderson: I had a look at this and Moved the article (ie changed its title): first to "Wilfrid Ernest Sanderson", then to plain "Wilfrid Sanderson" as Wikipedia uses just two names unless there's evidence that the person was more commonly known by another variation. The BBC proms programme lists him as "Wilfrid Sanderson". There are now Redirects from the other versions, the previous titles. I enhanced the reference you'd given for ODNB: please upgrade your other refs to include the article title, author if given, page number if available, a full reference.

But I can't help on the image: it looks as if you haven't actually successfully uploaded it: I wonder if there's a final button you didn't click? I'm not very experienced in images so hope someone else can help. Happy editing! Do stick around and edit the rest of the encyclopedia, even after your great-grandfather's article is in good condition. And read WP:COI: editors are discouraged from writing about themselves and their friends and relations, though inevitably a lot of people are writing about their great-grandfathers etc. Yours does seem WP:NOTABLE enough to be here, and well-sourced, but take care to be wholly neutral about him and not to include family knowledge, only content which can be sourced from independent publications (though I note that your father, or perhaps an uncle, is a source for the ODNB article anyway!) PamD 11:50, 30 May 2014 (UTC) expanded 11:53, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@Tomstuartsanderson and PamD: The image was uploaded fine (except that its date shouldn't have been today's date but the date that the photo was taken); the problem was that the syntax being used was all wrong. We don't use full URLs for images, but their basic filenames; and we don't use the <gallery>...</gallery> syntax for lead section images. Please see WP:Picture tutorial, and if you're interested in the full image syntax, see WP:EIS as well. This edit has made it visible; it could do with a little more, such as the approximate year that the photo was taken. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:26, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@Tomstuartsanderson: There still seems to be a problem with the image: you've labelled it as "own work" but he died in 1935. Did you actually take the photograph yourself? If not, it's not your own work. Owning a physical copy of the photograph is not what's meant by "own work": it means "I took the photo / painted the picture / wrote the poem / etc". (And I still can't find the image myself if I search on Commons, but that's my problem not yours!) PamD 16:55, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@PamD: The image is File:Image of Wilfrid Ernest Sanderson composer 1878-1935.jpg. It's not showing in Commons searches because it was uploaded today; the search index is updated once a day (more info), it should be listed within the next 12 hours. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:02, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Badly edited tags

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How many there were? Like this one. OccultZone (Talk) 15:18, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone do you badly edited by others and fixed by me or did I do a mistake in this one? I fixed all 1,500+ of this month. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:26, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

You did no mistake :=) I was just about to ask if that task has been completed. But yes you just told, so its all good. OccultZone (Talk) 16:30, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

• Had few queries. How often you visit checkpage of AWB? OccultZone (Talk) 16:30, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone almost never. I think other admnis do that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:05, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Pirate Party of Greece

Hello. I have just put a full stop at an ongoing edit war over there by protecting the article. It seems that there's a long-term argument about who founded the party. Both sides have repeatedly come up with sources but the least of them seem to be in English. As a member WikiProject Greece and a fellow admin you might want to take a look into the various claims and the Greek sources presented there throughout the recent edit history. All I can tell so far is that Der Tagesspiegel cited there by one faction is reliable and does state that the party was founded by one Mr Mariotti from Germany. De728631 (talk) 20:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

De728631. Wow. I blocked 2 of them for edit warring. I'll check the sources tomorrow. -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:44, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

One editor had edited/reverted under 24 hours, but other hadn't made any edit for last 4 days. You can actually block someone who hasn't been active in content dispute for last 24 hours? OccultZone (Talk) 06:16, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit warring is not limited to 3 reverts per 24 hours so you can actually block people to prevent them from continuing a long-term edit war. But since their main object of interest has been edit-protected I'm also wondering about these blocks. De728631 (talk) 13:42, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone and De728631: I blocked only for the period of the protection in order to catch both sides attention since there was a long-term edit warring that involved anonymous IPs as well. Now I think it's clear that the community does not want an edit war. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:01, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Long term edit warring is correct offense. Thanks for clarifying. OccultZone (Talk) 16:01, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I fixed by blocking reasons 1 minute after I blocked. Moreover, involved parties have a direct Conflict of Interest. -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:04, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

De728631 The Tagesspiegel articles seem to be a strong reference but according to this, in 2012 Mariotti applied as a member of the Coordination Committee. Moreover, it seems that one of the persons involved in the edit warring is Mariotti himself. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:20, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Mariotti is not a member of Pirate Party anymore [8]. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:49, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

And he may no longer edit Wikipedia. I've indeffed PressFreeNet (talk · contribs · logs) because of the username and the promotional single-purpose edits. De728631 (talk) 17:08, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

BAG?

There's currently a thread about how we need more active BAG members? Are you interested? I'd be more than willing to nominate you :) Legoktm (talk) 03:07, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Legoktm Yes, I would like to participate in this! -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:28, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I hope this page will be rid of backlog then. I had a question about your bot and similar bots. Like yobot, battybot, etc. Do they use AWB or something more than that? I was reading the tips for using AWB, one of the line included that "Consider opening a bot account if you are regularly making more than a few edits a minute." I had no clue if its easy or hard. OccultZone (Talk) 06:39, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone: Yes, it would be great to have a few more BAG members. Yobot and BattyBot use AWB, sometimes with special find/replace rules and/or custom modules. The hard part about creating a bot task with AWB is ensuring that your bot doesn't make any incorrect edits and doesn't make any inconsequential edits. GoingBatty (talk) 20:39, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Sounds to be easy, it is not hard to play fair. OccultZone (Talk) 00:49, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

I came on this page to suggest what Legoktm did. The BAG would benefit from your expertise, and you're already an active commenter on many requests as well as an expert bot operator. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 17:56, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

@Legoktm and Snowolf: you can nominate me. I would like to be a BAG member. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:08, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

I have now nominated you :) Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 01:26, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Note to Magioladitis

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Hi Magioladitis, just to let you know there is a new Show on Doc McStuffins. Can you please put a Empty section on Doc McStuffins, I would like that. Thank you. 65.95.41.229 (talk) 12:50, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

User:65.95.41.229, You should provide some URL of your information, so that it can be understood. OccultZone (Talk) 13:27, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Tagging

Noticing that your (?) bot is tagging talk pages of many articles (such as Photoreceptor), I'm wondering if you'll get to Photobiology and Scotobiology. The one is a bare stub, the other a bit more developed, but I wonder if either is really notable. --Hordaland (talk) 21:04, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Hordaland what exactly do you want to be done? -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:06, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Just thought an addition of your project might bring new eyes to the articles. --Hordaland (talk) 21:17, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to vote on an article

hello. since you are an editor of the article Ammar ibn Yasir, would you be interested in voting for it to make it a featured article or not? thank you for your time Grandia01 (talk) 12:54, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: Cosmetic

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If your bot was active, I would've asked you to perform cosmetic changes on the talk pages of about 1.7k football articles. About 2 days ago, there used to be almost 4,000 unassessed football articles. Now they are about 1,400 or less. It became harder to assess as the talk pages have uncommon template for wikiprojects, for example "football", "wpfootball", "wp football", and "wikiproject football". Whenever I would assess after selecting any of these 4 options, I would need to go back to main page or erase the selected option because 90% of the time my guess was wrong. I needed to run AWB with your module on these 1.7k pages so that they can be assessed properly. Just realized that such cosmetic changes are needful, but some people never learn. OccultZone (Talk) 04:00, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone many editors face similar problems. I tried to explain it but... Anyway, I have filled out a ticket to unblock and contacted other admins. Still no response. -- Magioladitis (talk) 05:50, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Page bytes limit

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Is there any fixed limit? I just made a page on my Userpage, it exceeds 600,000 bytes. OccultZone (Talk) 11:48, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Nothing I am aware of but probably many people won't be able to access your page. Check Wikipedia:Userpages#Excessive_unrelated_content too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:53, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

It is all good then. OccultZone (Talk) 12:23, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

AWB with #78 and small tags.

Why does AWB think there are small tags missing if a <br> is in between the small tags? Chinese emperors family tree (middle) is an example.

Could AWB warn if there are multiple reference tags... error #78. Bgwhite (talk) 15:32, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

BDP and BLP

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Is there any administrator template that include those biographical articles where "living=no/yes" is empty? I guess there is, you have assessed that before. How many articles are there in total? OccultZone (Talk) 06:33, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone Category:Biography articles without living parameter. -- Magioladitis (talk) 06:56, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't know how it is fixed. So I think that you should edit all those 2000 pages. It will take you about 3-4 hours. OccultZone (Talk) 06:59, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone fixing this is not easy. To do that the article has to be checked and determine whether the person is dead or alive. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:17, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

How you did 9 in 1 minute? OccultZone (Talk) 07:19, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

1 minute of active editing and xxx minutes to create the list ;) -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:24, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone Check also User:Yobot#Before_contacting and User:Yobot#Frequently_Asked_Questions_on_editing_Talk_pages. They can be expanded if the method is not clear. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Very nice, they can be expanded. Although you may have tried to say a lot things in short, it is good. OccultZone (Talk) 07:41, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone: See also Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BattyBot 30 GoingBatty (talk) 13:18, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: You have to be a member of that community? Before posting anything. OccultZone (Talk) 18:18, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

@OccultZone: Not sure what you mean by "that community". If you're referring to Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval, feel free to add any constructive comments at Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/BattyBot 30 that would help me runt he bot task. If "that community" means something else, could you please clarify? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 20:22, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

There are some boards where only authorized people can comment, I think. I thought if this one has similar requirements but I guess that isn't any. OccultZone (Talk) 01:01, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Rcat question

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Hello Magioladitis. This edit corrects the discrepancy with {{DEFAULTSORT}} while also moving the {{Rcat}} templates into this configuration:

#REDIRECT [[Boots Adams]] {{R from personal name}} {{R from short name}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Adams, K.S. Boots}}

The newest guidance I have seen at WP:REDCAT suggests placing the templates as:

#REDIRECT [[Boots Adams]] 

{{R from personal name}} 
{{R from short name}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Adams, K.S. Boots}}

What are your thoughts?—John Cline (talk) 06:58, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

John Cline aha. I did not know about it. Thanks for the heads up. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:00, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

There used to be a MediaWiki limitation whereby if a page was a redirect (i.e. it began with #REDIRECT) anything after the first line would be ignored, so it was necessary to put all the {{R ...}} templates on the first line so that their categorisations would be actioned. This restriction was lifted a few years ago, since when the {{R ...}} templates have been on separate lines. A further change earlier this year means that those {{R ...}} templates are now displayed in full, instead of just their categories showing. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:06, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Redrose64 Thanks for the useful information! -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:10, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Sometimes I really think that how Redrose64 became so knowledgeable about these template, source, and other codes. OccultZone (Talk) 12:56, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Part of it is hanging around WP:VPT and similar; partly it's experience. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:06, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanked. OccultZone (Talk) 13:17, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Dazzie Dee, CSD

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Hello Magioladitis, what's good. I recently made article about rapper Dazzie Dee, and was later nominated for WP:CSD by STATicVapor. That nomination hasn't a specific or a significant reason to delete the article, in fact Dazzie Dee has established notability in the late 1980s and 1990s. I worked many hours on it, and I don't think I deserve that! Please can you do something for this? I will appreciate it very much, thank you.

Γεια ρε Μαγιολαδίτη, τι καλά νεα? Προηγουμενως, εχω αρχίσει μια σελίδα για τον ράππερ Ντάζι Ντι (Dazzie Dee), ο καλλιτεχνης είναι αρκετα γνωστός, διότι εχει δουλεψει με διάσημους και διάφορους ράππερω, σαν τον Ice Cube, K-Dee και άλλους πολλούς (βλεπε στην Αγγλική μεταφραση για περισσοτερα). Η σελιδα εχει επισημανθει για WP:CSD, μα γιατι.. αφου ο καλλιτεχνης εμφανιζεται σε εφημεριδες και websites, σαν το Billboard, DubCNN, allmusic κλπ.(βλεπε refernces παρακατω). Θα το εκτιμούσα πολυ αν θα μπορουσες να με βοηθήσεις να επιλύσω αυτο το πρόβλημα... ευχαριστώ πολύ! ;)

--OriginalDoc (talk) 02:43, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 23:22, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Need a shortcut

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Can you create a shortcut for WP:Talk#Creating talk pages? I had tried, but it just didn't worked out. At least 10/100 of these talk pages have the talk headers but no discussion. OccultZone (Talk) 07:25, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

OccultZone WP:TALK#CREATE. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:28, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

[9] should be deleted. Thanks OccultZone (Talk) 07:35, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Toc right

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Hi Magioladitis, re Gold (disambiguation), does AWB insert a line after the TOC right? I personally don't use one on purpose - so that folk don't get tempted to put something there and satisfy the "immediately before". Widefox; talk 12:21, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Widefox thanks for contacting. No it does not. I added it personally. I think you are right after reading your message. Feel free to remove it. -- Magioladitis (talk) 12:29, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Widefox and Magioladitis: It's not necessarily AWB. If any single section is edited, any whitespace at the bottom of the section is stripped and then two newlines are added when the section is saved. This means that sections normally end with one blank line before the next ==Heading==. If {{TOC right}} is correctly placed (as the last item in the lead section), which is the case with Gold (disambiguation), any edit to the lead section will cause one blank line to appear between the {{TOC right}} and the ==Science and technology== --Redrose64 (talk) 12:53, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes. AWB edits the whole thing rather than section wise I'm guessing (I've used it in wine). To be most precise, on a dab it's actually the last item before the first heading, as some have items before the first heading, but yes. I've already changed it, but feel free to revert me as there's no stopping that. Regards Widefox; talk 13:38, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Redrose64 you are right. AWB adds the blank line for the reasons you stated. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:07, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

(fixed template - template stalker!) - does it! even when editing the whole thing? Widefox; talk 16:10, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Number of citations on biography

Thank you for reviewing Hala Moddelmog's biography. How many citations do I need to get the error message off the page. How do you add a photo. I'm new at this. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.205.68.29 (talk) 14:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @166.205.68.29: You should add some sources to Hala Moddelmog#Board Involvement, and the tag will be removed. OccultZone (Talk) 14:24, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @166.205.68.29: Also see Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 14:29, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

Authority control

Hi,

I've noticed that the Greek Wikipedia does not seem to have an equivalent of {{Authority control}}. Would you be interested in adding one; or do you know someone who would? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:57, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

AWB on West Toodyay

HI, I noticed you used AWB on the article West Toodyay, the automated tools are great but occasionally you come across subjects that have a history that doesnt fit the regular mould. In the process you removed a heading in doing so you changed the context of the article please take care Naming of Toodyay, Western Australia. Gnangarra 23:58, 8 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Gnangarra: Note that MOS:HEAD states "Headings should not refer redundantly to the subject of the article, or to higher-level headings, unless doing so is shorter or clearer." Since the "West Toodyay" section is so small, one solution could be to combine the "Old Toodyay" and "West Toodyay" sections one section header called "History". GoingBatty (talk) 17:47, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

the last part is the pertinent point unless doing so is shorter or clearer... The town started as Toodyay, renamed as West Toodyay in 1910, reference written before 1910 call it Toodyay, references after 1910 use West Toodyay or Old Toodyay if they are referring to the town before the rename... so the clearest headings are Old Toodyay and West Toodyay. The article only a week or so old I'm still working through Old Toodyay information, and noting a couple of West Toodyay points of interest if they arise. I've still got the last 100 years to cover to expand the West Toodyay section. Gnangarra 15:52, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Sleeping Dogs

Thanks for helping the article! :) URDNEXT (talk) 01:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

punctuation goes before references I correct it several times but it appears again! I do not know what to do page "auguste françois michaut" in english thanks for help KKAnini — Preceding unsigned comment added by KKAnini (talk • contribs) 21:35, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Interesting

Here you bypass a redirect. But the target page gives http://urn.fi/URN:ISBN:978-952-5431-36-0 as a permalink... All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 19:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC).

Rich weird as you can see the url I bypassed it was actually a redirect. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:45, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Exactly! The site is guaranteeing that is a working link, even if the actual target page moves. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:31, 11 June 2014 (UTC).