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Criteria to qualify as a "George Floyd protest"

I've been thinking about this issue for some time : how do we determine which protests constitute "George Floyd protests" ? I haven't seen this question discussed directly on this talk page, only discussions regarding whether the protests are over or not (they seem not to, regarding continuous protests in Portland for instance). The problem is that many police brutality/racism protests are mentioned in the media without direct reference to George Floyd and the wave of protests this summer in the US and other countries, and yet they are included here. For instance, on August 9 there was a police shooting in Chicago which sparked a riot in the city, and demonstrations regarding the event the following day. Do these events constitute George Floyd protests ? Floyd and the protests aren't mentioned or alluded to in the sources. Thus, we risk conducting WP:original research. Regarding this issue, I would think that the way to go is to include general police brutality/BLM protests, and protests in reaction to given police actions (mainly shootings of civilians such as the one in Chicago I just mentioned or the shooting of Rayshard Brooks in Atlanta are included on a case by case basis, with a careful reading of the sources. Fa suisse (talk) 06:01, 16 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is a difficult event to title as it is ongoing and everything is still up in the air, I agree. I don't believe these protests have been about George Floyd since around mid-June, since then the protests have been more broadly BLM/anti-law enforcement in general, along with various counter-protests and sometimes armed confrontations between opposing groups (over the removal of statues and monuments, for example). In some cities the protests never stopped (like in Portland), while other cities like Chicago, Richmond, Atlanta, Seattle, etc. have had frequent flare-ups of unrest and protests/rioting, none specifically George Floyd-related at all. The scope of this ongoing unrest is so all over the place that I believe the article should no longer be titled "George Floyd protests" but rather something like 2020 American protests/unrest/spring/etc. if people can eventually agree on something, as this is just absolutely all over the place. But I'm not currently challenging that since everything is still so up in the air right now, and will likely continue into at least November and probably explode again, regardless of who wins the election. But I'm on a tangent. Just my two cents. Temeku (talk) 09:28, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
RS say it is.Slatersteven (talk) 09:46, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think it’s time to give this movement a new name. The media isn’t calling the protests of today “George Floyd protests”. They are usually referred to as police brutality protests or something like that. We will either need a second page for “2020 Police Brutality Protests and Unrest in the US” to accommodate more recent activity, or change the title of this page. Camdoodlebop (talk) 22:38, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Media coverage?

There doesn't seem to be a section discussing media coverage. Has it been fair or biased? This source claims it was, at least initially, biased: "Centering protest coverage around the impact on traffic, local businesses, and property is one way that the protest-as-nuisance framing manifests. And according to the study, that “annoyance” framing increased over time — newspapers were more likely to frame a protest as a nuisance in 2007 than in 1967. The study also found that protests over liberal causes were framed as nuisances more often than protests over conservative causes.... You also see this bias in headlines from The Washington Post’s “A night of fire and fury across America as protests intensify” to The New York Times’ “Appeals for calm as sprawling protests threaten to spiral out of control.” These headlines focus exclusively on the violence of the protests. They don’t tell us where the violence is coming from. So when Slate published a story with the headline “Police erupt in violence nationwide,” it was almost startling in its forthrightness. The story resonated, being shared widely on social media in and in private text groups, because it was the first national report that made plain what people were seeing in videos. “People kept sharing these videos that were coming up and it was unambiguous what was going on,” said Tom Scocca, Slate’s politics editor, who edited the story. “We weren’t looking at a stream of videos of violence erupting or clashes breaking out. We were looking at cops, attacking people.”" https://www.niemanlab.org/2020/06/its-time-to-change-the-way-the-media-reports-on-protests-here-are-some-ideas/ Here is another: "Top 16 Euphemisms US Headline Writers Used for Police Beating the Shit Out of People" https://fair.org/home/top-16-euphemisms-us-headline-writers-used-for-police-beating-the-shit-out-of-people/ Ghostofnemo (talk) 12:06, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would prefer better sources.Slatersteven (talk) 12:16, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think we can include both. The FAIR article, from Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting, "the national progressive media watchdog group, challenging corporate media bias, spin and misinformation", shouldn't however be front and center of a section on media bias, and should be added along analyses by "media watchdog groups" with different political perspectives. Fa suisse (talk) 08:48, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A section discussing media coverage would be a worthwhile addition to the article. Fa suisse (talk) 08:41, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "The Story Has Gotten Away from Us". Columbia Journalism Review. Retrieved 2020-08-25.
  2. ^ "Injustice, Virality, and Mourning in Minneapolis: How the press is covering the death of George Floyd". Columbia Journalism Review. Retrieved 2020-08-25.
  3. ^ Heaney, Michael T. "The George Floyd protests generated more media coverage than any protest in 50 years". Washington Post. Retrieved 2020-08-25.
  4. ^ Mitchell, Amy; Jurkowitz, Mark; Oliphant, J. Baxter; Shearer, Elisa (12 June 2020). "Majorities of Americans Say News Coverage of George Floyd Protests Has Been Good, Trump's Public Message Wrong". Retrieved 2020-08-25.
  5. ^ "The Media's Coverage Of The George Floyd Protests Against Police Brutality". www.wbur.org. Retrieved 2020-08-25.
  6. ^ Jackson, Sarah J. (3 June 2020). "The Headlines That Are Covering Up Police Violence". The Atlantic. Retrieved 2020-08-25.
  7. ^ "Study: Media Coverage Of George Floyd Protests Surpasses Any Other Protest In Last 50 Years". www.mediapost.com. Retrieved 2020-08-25.
  8. ^ "Did George Floyd Die Or Was He Murdered? One Of Many Ethics Questions NPR Must Answer". NPR.org. Retrieved 2020-08-25.
  9. ^ Jiménez-Martínez, César. Media, Protest and the Simplification of Violence – via PhilPapers.
The only unbiased RS's provided only talk about substantial coverage and not necessarily improper coverage. We should be very careful with claiming RS are actually unreliable, and I don't see enough accepted RSs saying that directly. Anon0098 (talk) 21:33, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2020

79.146.43.165 (talk) 17:13, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done Unclear what change is being asked for. FDW777 (talk) 17:16, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2020

Title should be changed to George Floyd Riots 12.129.16.124 (talk) 19:44, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done See Wikipedia:Edit requests, they are not for controversial edits that don't have consensus. FDW777 (talk) 19:51, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 August 2020

George Floyd protests → 2020 Black Lives Matter protests – I suggest we change the name of this article to 2020 Black Lives Matter protests. Due to the unfortunate shooting of Jacob Blake and subsequent Kenosha riots, I believe that the title of this article should be changed to a more general title in order to include it, e.g. "2020 Black Lives Matter protests". Jacob Blake has become yet another figurehead of the fight against police brutality in the United States, and the title "George Floyd protests" doesn't do sufficient justice at including the nationwide movement that is now popping up against systemic racism, and the general aim of these protests as a whole. What was previously the George Floyd protests now far exceeds the scope of George Floyd's death. HandIsNotNookls (talk) 20:42, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose RS continuously link protests to Floyd. I haven't seen any significant amount call these "2020 Black Lives Matter Protests" in any capacity Anon0098 (talk) 21:28, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not all events in the death of George Floyd are even "Black Lives Matter" protests. That being said, it does seem like some content in the George Floyd protests article and other George Floyd protests in [NAME OF PLACE] articles have some content that is of a slighter broader context. Those articles just need better editing and refinement, not a full on rebrand.VikingB (talk) 21:34, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The protests are about the death of George Floyd. While Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, and other's deaths have played a role in the protests, they were ultimately started by (and continue to mainly be fueled by) Floyd's death. The current name is best. I-82-I | TALK 03:32, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and move to George Floyd riots the article is more about a destruction of public property and vandalism by protesters, so the correct name of the title is George Floyd riots per 1992 Los Angeles riots, which also named as it thought is was some peaceful protest. Also, this article is about the death of George Floyd, not other Black Americans which have separated articles. 180.245.102.250 (talk) 04:59, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose George Floyd riots A large majority of the protests were peaceful although a significant minority were violent. We name articles using the terms that the preponderance of reliable sources use when discussing the topic. I also oppose the move to 2020 Black Lives Matter protests for the same reason. We go with the sources. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:12, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose George Floyd protests are a part of the BLM movement, which has been taking place for a number of years now and is not something which first originated in 2020. The BLM movement in 2020 is also in no way synonymous with George Floyd protests as multiple other events of the movement have taken place and continue to do so in 2020. •Shawnqual• 📚 • 💭 07:13, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to George Floyd riots or George Floyd unrest as it fits definition of riot as it was many destruction of businesses, lawlessness, and many more. I agree with 180.245.102.250 that per 1992 LA riots, this article title should be follow that, even it was a peaceful protests. I not agree to move to 2020 BLM protest because reason above. 182.1.35.124 (talk) 07:55, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 25 August 2020

Change the word Protest to Riots. With 30 people killed and over 500 million in property damage it is not a protest and fits the definition of the word "Riot"- a violent disturbance of the peace by a crowd. VapeNShred (talk) 23:05, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. EvergreenFir (talk) 23:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 26 August 2020

Change George Floyd protests to George Floyd riots TonySm8 (talk) 00:15, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: Page move requests should be made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. JTP (talk • contribs) 04:58, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

RfC

Consensus does change, but edit requests over and over and over by people making their first edits are unlikely to be taking policy into consideration or be thoughtful. I'd like to discuss whether it's okay to answer and close such edit requests so they don't turn into long rediscussions that end up the same way. (FWIW, I'd be open to some regular reopening of questions that we all agree could have a change in consensus. But 'allege' passing of counterfeit bills is never going to change. And we don't need to rediscuss killing of vs. death of or riot vs. protest every six days.) —valereee (talk) 00:38, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Propose: Anything that's been discussed in the past month, with no clear change to current consensus, can be politely responded to, directed at the most recent discussion, and closed.

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Discussion

I'm confused by the comment @The Four Deuces:. This isn't a proposal to narrow the scope of the article, but to stop the constant edit requests of "please change the title to George Floyd riots". FDW777 (talk) 07:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Valereee: I would prefer a six-month+ moratorium on move requests that I've seen on other articles, once the current move request has finished. I think the current proposal is a bit too weak. FDW777 (talk) 07:15, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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