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Rapala photo

Hello there, in the Rapala article, if you hover over the "Rapala" it shows no photo, and I was wondering if there was a way to add a photo to the thing... sorry I can't really describe it, but I will try to answer any questions you ask. Cheers, User:Shadowblade08 (talk) 03:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC) User:Shadowblade08 (talk) 03:01, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

For me, clicking (Ipad) shows the logo. What sort of photo are you looking for/expecting? There are nice photos of lures, in the article... Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 04:06, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello there, and Thanks, (I added only one of them, though) what I was saying, was that on a MacBook, (what I edit with) when I hover over the "Rapala" link, it doesn't show anything, unlike other links. Does this help? User:Shadowblade08 (talk) 14:44, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

@Shadowblade08:, I am so sorry, I have no idea. Perhaps someone else can help....Best of luck to you, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 21:14, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Tribe of Tiger! I can certainly ask someone else, and in fact, I may just drop the subject in the end... it probably has something to do with my "view", and I suppose its different on a iPad compared to a MacBook. Thanks for the help, and Cheers! User:Shadowblade08 (talk) 21:17, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

If you mean the wordmark "Rapala®" at the top right of the article in the infobox, then it is already an image, with a link that says "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rapala_Logo.svg", which when clicked will take you to an enlarged version stored on Wikipedia Commons as an .svg file. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 10:51, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael D. Turnbull, but what I meant was if your on a different page, and you then hover over the word Rapala, it shows no photo. Shadowblade08 (talk) 01:31, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Shadowblade08. Are your referring to to Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups? if you are, then try checking your WP:PREFERENCES. Go to the top of your screen and click on "Preferences", then go to "Gadgets" and look for "Navigation popups: article previews and editing functions pop up when hovering over links". When that box is checked the navigation pop tool will be enabled. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

The other thing that catches people out is that "page previews". are by default OFF if you are currently logged in to WP but ON if you are viewing the site while not logged in (i.e. for most readers, who don't have accounts). Thus the behaviour when you hover over a link differs according to your logged-in status. Again, this can be changed in preferences in your account settings. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 09:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Notability Tag

How to remove Notability tag in this article Sumit Pathak? Anupamsuwar (talk) 05:54, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@Anupamsuwar: Thats described in the box. You would need to add reliable (no user-generated content) independent sources (no interviews or press releases) with significant coverage of the subject (not yust passing mentions) to show that this topic meets WP:ANYBIO. If such sources cannot be found, the topic my be not siutable for Wikipedia. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:09, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Over-referencing does not help. The article does not need five references to confirm his place in the contest, nor seven refs to confirm multi-country tour. David notMD (talk) 10:36, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

@David NOTMD: Won't the notability tag remove?— Preceding unsigned comment added by Anupamsuwar (talk • contribs)

courtesy ping David notMD --Usedtobecool ☎️ 14:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I cannot read the language of the references, and so cannot answer as to whether those are reliable secondary sources. Thus, I am not qualified to remove the tag. My comment was only that there are too many references in support of two of the facts (his place in a contest and the multi-country tour). Reducing the number of references will not address the reliability concern. David notMD (talk) 14:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Pending draft submissions

Hey guys. I've had 3 draft submissions pending for several weeks at Draft:Joseph Hayat, Draft:Justin Picard and Draft:Cynthia Umezulike, and the backlog only seems to be growing with each passing week. If there's any willing reviewers who'd take the time to have a look, that would be appreciated. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 09:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Presumably you wish to speed up the moment you get paid? Most of us here are volunteers, please don't try to game the system for your own financial gain. Theroadislong (talk) 09:45, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

There's a queue and a backlog. Also, WP:NODEADLINE applies, which overrides you and your clients' desire to get some spam on here. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:48, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Davykamanzi As of 23 September, Hayat and Umezulike Declined, Picard waiting for a reviewer. Actually, it is not a queue. Reviewers look at the list and decide what they want to review. So, days, weeks, sometimes months. David notMD (talk) 21:43, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Surprised at result of page protection request

Is this normal? I’ve been trying to keep a hoax out of the Panela article, ongoing (well before my involvement) since June 2016. I am only the latest in a long, long line of (registered) editors reverting this vandalism.

The result of my request -

Pending changes: Persistent vandalism, which inserts exact same hoax-like text and mislabelled gallery image. Identical edit has occurred since at least June 2016 from various IPs - some of which have been blocked in past, (e.g.[1], [2]) for persistently inserting and then un-reverting this unsourced nonsense, and some not, (e.g. [3], [4]).

Despite trying to quickly revert the edit over last week or two, as many others have done in the recent past, it is soon replaced. As I am also an IP user, I do not want to be seen to be a disruptive editor, but nor do I want this unsourced, silly misinformation disseminated through WP. 122.105.187.37 (talk) 03:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected for a period of 6 months, after which the page will be automatically unprotected. Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 07:05, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

was: a more restrictive – and possibly less effective - level of protection was applied, without explanation; and my editing has been characterised as ”edit-warring”, despite all my caution, talk page comment, and over-explaining eggshell-walking.

Wonderful treatment of newcomers! I feel so welcomed. Why didn't I barge in and throw my weight around as I see others do on WP, instead of going to the trouble of politely pussy-footing around? I got a slap in face just the same!

I am really surprised at how badly I feel, but I am completely gutted: No good deed goes unpunished!

What did I do wrong?

 122.105.187.37 (talk) 10:04, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

The spurious Australia mention is out, and the article is semi-protected. I see no mention on your Talk page about you being accused of edit-warring. I'd count that as success. David notMD (talk) 10:19, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Please see above link, also here again: [1]. It's not on my talk page, it's on the edit summary. 122.105.187.37 (talk) 10:25, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

i.e."edit warring by IPs without discussion" 122.105.187.37 (talk) 10:27, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @122.105.187.37 You did just the right thing, thank you. I have left an 'only warning' for the other IP editor. As David says, nobody left you any notice at all - the only thing I see is an edit summary explaining why the page on Panela was being 'page protected' for 6 months. It might have been slightly clumsily-worded, but it was not a criticism aimed at your editing, just an overall justification of why pp was being introduced. I don't think you needed to have interpreted it as criticism of your editing in any way at all - sorry if you think it did. You also did the right thing in leaving a note on the article talk page - something you can refer back to if it ever happens again. I'm sure you are aware that we don't block editors for 'edit warring' if they are reverting vandalism - this one was a bit more subtle, and it was hard for me to see which of two similar looking IPs were causing the problem, and which was restoring damage. It makes it easier when editors are registered, though there's no obligation on anyone to do so. Just appreciate that we do see a lot of edit-warring IPs, even if this wasn't the case here. (I've added the page to my watchlist, too) Kind regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:09, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your confirmation that my actions weren't disruptive @Nick Moyes:. And you're right: I needn't have interpreted the edit summary as a criticism of my editing - except for the fact that's what it clearly says: "IPs edit warring without discussion", (note the plural IP's'. Only the vandal and myself are recent IP contributors).

As for being clumsily worded, it's factually incorrect. A simple, and accurate summary is "persistent vandalism". If, as you say, it's difficult to see which IP did what when you looked at the page history now, imagine how much more likely it is that down the track, some busy Admin will glance at the history, note the "edit warring" justification for the page protection, and put me in the "disruptive editor" basket? All L235 had to do to get an accurate picture was click on the links I provided in my page protection request.

I am very grateful for the time you took to reply to me though, and for placing the page on your Watchlist. I do worry that the full editing protection is a bit unnecessary and wondered if there was a reason @L235: went with that, rather than the "pending changes" level I suggested. 122.105.187.37 (talk) 00:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm sorry to hear you're disappointed and frustrated by my protection summary. I apologize sincerely. At RFPP the job of an administrator is to identify disruptive behavior, not necessarily who is engaging in it; that night I was tired and did not take the care that you rightfully expect from administrators in writing that summary. The edit summary is primarily to justify the protection, not to provide a determination of the appropriateness of anyone's conduct. However, I clearly caused problems with my edit summary and for that I am sorry. As for semi-protection vs PP protection, I generally disfavor pending changes and will not apply it to articles as frequently edited as Panela absent exceptional circumstances. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 00:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Not to worry, @L235: Kevin. I can see from the responses of all three people who have kindly written here, that I have over-reacted, and over-personalised.

Put it down to the excess sensitivity of a newcomer! I was just so alarmed at my own temerity in boldly suggesting that a page be protected, I managed to get all overwrought about an imaginary slight. (In particular, if you are going by my “gutted” comments, please just ignore those last couple of sentences. I’m going to write in big letters, “I must not react on immediate feelings” and place on my laptop, where I can see it.)

Thank you for your very patient response; it’s really appreciated. 122.105.187.37 (talk) 06:44, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Help on Draft Article

Anyone wanna help me finishing this draft article? Draft:List of Broadway productions by year. The source I use is [2]. HeartGlow ^(talk) 12:44, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

HeartGlow30797, I made a few small tweaks. It looks like you're using uppercase a little too much "Limited Run" should be "limited run" in most cases, I think. Also, given how much there is just from the 2010s, the final list may be huge, in which case it might be better to split it into multiple pages. The column widths should be tweaked a bit so that the date never runs onto two lines.

If you haven't already come across it, List of Broadway theaters is currently undergoing a WP:Featured List Candidate review. Some of the editors active on that page might be interested in joining you, and the page itself might offer some inspiration. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Sdkb, Thank you so much! I will look into it! HeartGlow ^(talk) 14:38, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Need input

I hired a company to write and submit my professional wrestling character's profile. I was told that I have enough that is verifiable that it would withstand any of the notability criteria. I am now being asked to have additional articles or press releases written in order

As we coordinate with Wiki Mods for your pages to ensure that your personal page passes all the guidelines and they approve your official test entry, so the requirement is advised by them and currently there are no articles with significance, noteworthy and unique news about yourself. Whereas, according to Wiki Mods your page additionally needs 15-20 of these articles on Top-Tier websites and 4 to 5 major publications.

I need input/direction on if I can simply submit my pro wrestling character profile as is without going through this step. Thoughts? Schmackdaddy22 (talk) 00:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Short answer: Unless the person in question has been extensively written about in a non-promotional way by the mainstream press, it is unlikely that a Wikipedia page written about him will survive very long. Trying to "force" Wikipedia to accept an article about such a person will likely be a waste of time and, if you are paying money for it, money.

Wikipedia is NOT for self-promotion nor is it an advertising or marketing medium. Athletes who are not at or near the "top level" of competition in their country may not get the "independent" press coverage needed to meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. Press releases and "warmed over press releases" generally do not count when it comes to assessing "notability." Please read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. Also read Wikipedia:Paid editing disclosure, Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, Wikipedia:Notability, Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and Wikipedia:Independent sources. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 00:15, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Schmackdaddy22: If you could tell us the name on the draft article we can certainly take a look for you and offer you some thoughts. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Schmackdaddy22. Please understand that if Wikipedia at some time has an article about you, it will not belong to you, you will have no control over its contents, and it will not necessarily say what you want it to say. Your company are correct that we need sources about you, but they are utterly utterly wrong about the details. I don't know where they got that "15-20" from: it is not the number but the quality that matters. But part of that quality is that Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything about you that comes from you or your agents, employers or associates, whether on their own websites, or in interviews or press releases. You sending out a million press releases won't make any difference, at least not directly. What Wikipedia relies on is places where people who have no connection whatever with you, and have not been prompted or fed information by you or your associates, have chosen to write significant coverage about you, and been published in reliable sources. And yes, I'm afraid that this does mean that there is very little that you or your associates can do to make it happen: this is because we are an encyclopaedia, not a publicity machine. You might also like to look at An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 09:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully everything is fine

Hey! I'm a Wikipeida editor who has been here for a while, and I have just volunteered to create a Wikipedia page for my new company, Megaputer Intelligence. My COI disclosue is on my user page, and a draft of the article may be found in my sandbox. I think I have done a good job with my sourcing, but since this is my first time editing with a COI I thought I'd run it past you just in case. What do you guys think? Sam at Megaputer (talk) 02:14, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Sam at Megaputer, the thing that stands out to me is that basically the entire article is on the products Megaputer makes. There's a lot more to an encyclopedic profile than that, though. E.g what's its history, how many people does it employ, how is it doing compared to its competitors, etc. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 06:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Sdkb: For sure. As far as I can tell, the history/culture of the company has been covered very little in independent sources. I still haven’t looked through them all, but if I did that it would probably have to be with sources from Megaputer. Another editor has suggested that the article may need to be about PolyAnalyst (the software Megaputer makes) rather than the company. This seams reasonable, as almost all of the company's coverage is about its software. What’s your opinion on Megaputer as a source on self for history? Sam at Megaputer (talk) 12:07, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Sam at Megaputer, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for being open about your COI. I'm afraid that if the company has been covered very little in independent sources, then it is not notable, and an article about it is impossible. The same is true for the software: if there are no non-trivial independent sources about it then it is not notable, and no article about it is possible. You can use the company's own publications as a source, but only in very limited ways, and they do not count towards notability (for either topic): see PRIMARY. --ColinFine (talk) 16:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your input, Collin. What I’m seeing is that the software appears to be notable, but the company may not be. Everything I’ve read about the company so far was really about the software. Unless I can find some new sources on the company I’m probably going to scrap the article on Megaputer and just make it all about the software. That also solves the history problem at the same time. Sam at Megaputer (talk) 18:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

How to Archive Talk Pages

Hello Teahouse!

I would like to inquire about archiving talk page discussions. Is there a template for adding this feature?

I am a paid editor for Julie L. Green and am also looking for any resources containing COI guidelines for editing and maintaining the Talk:Julie L. Green page.

Thank you for your time. I appreciate how helpful this page is. KaitlynCK (talk) 03:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@KaitlynCK: The COI guidelines should be at WP:COI or pages it links to. It seems like you've correctly found how to submit edit requests on the talk page. I don't see any need for archiving at this point; both the article and your talk page have just a few entries, and it's better/easier for other editors reading them to keep them together until they get to an unreasonable length. Archiving is discussed at WP:ARCHIVE, for future reference. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:54, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@KaitlynCK: When you add a reference to a section on a talk page, it's best to also add {{Talkref}} at the end of the section so the references are kept together with that section, like this:

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This is a section

Some text.

References

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(normally it's a level-2 section heading; it's a level-3 heading in this example for display purposes) For example, see Talk:Julie L. Green, where I added {{Talkref}} after the comments in each of the four sections that had references. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 04:12, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Ahh! Thank you, AlanM1. Wow this makes the references much easier to read. Thank you for your help. I really appreciate it. KaitlynCK (talk) 01:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Edits on DAX (rapper) article

One of your users undid edits that I did on the DAX (rapper) article. The edits were meant to correct false information, as well as fix typos and add details. Meandeminem (talk) 06:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC) Meandeminem (talk) 06:38, 24 September 2020 (UTC) Meandeminem (talk) 06:39, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Meandeminem: Your edit was undone because it did not explain why it blanked sourced information. You should go to the talk page and begin a discussion about the removal of the content, if it is in fact incorrect. Anarchyte (talk • work) 06:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

You shortened the article by more than half. How was that false information? David notMD (talk) 13:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Hello admin , which news sources is reliable for Bangladesh ?? Myslfsbhijit (talk) 08:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Myslfsbhijit: We don't have a list of allowed sources, as we trust editors to make this judgment call on their own, based on the reliable sources guideline. Take a look at WP:NEWSORG, which outlines how we determine the reliability of news sources. In short, look for major outlets with a track record of reliability, and avoid stating information from op-eds as fact. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:35, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Myslfsbhijit: Good day, you could check out the list of Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Cassiopeia^(talk) 09:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hey , Ganbaruby Cassiopeia thanks for the help.

I have created my draft of a biography of a living person, what is the next step?

Hello -- I have submitted my draft of a biography of a living person. May I please understand the process this needs to go through for publication? Betahatdelta (talk) 10:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Betahatdelta Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. To formally submit your draft, you need to click the blue "Submit your draft for review!" button in the box at the top. Once you do that and your draft is formally submitted, it could take around 2 months for it to be reviewed, since drafts are reviewed in no particular order and there are thousands of drafts awaiting review, so you will need to be patient. 331dot (talk) 10:48, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Before you submit your draft for review you need to sort out the referencing. See Help:Footnotes. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

The formation of Sunderland AFC

Why is it not possible to correct the date of when Sunderland AFC were formed to 1880 and not 1879 and for which there is no primary source? In comparison there are reports in the local newspaper - the Sunderland Echo - dated 27 September 1880 stating the local teachers had FORMED a football club. There is no evidence short of a badly article writtenin 1887 and later repeated in 1929 that the club was formed in October. The current administration are claiming it was actually 17 October 1879 but can provide no evidence. MarkMetcalf (talk) 11:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@MarkMetcalf: This is apparently about our article Sunderland A.F.C.. The issue has been discussed a couple of times on the talk page at Talk:Sunderland A.F.C.. I suggest adding a new section there to open discussion again. The article does contain some mention of the controversy, though it's not consistent. It should probably avoid mentioning the founding date in several places and address it just three times: in the lead, the body, and the infobox. Specify those changes and see what others knowledgeable about and interested in the subject have to say. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 11:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I need help in creating and publishing a Wikipedia Page for the company I represent

I am trying to create a page for the company I represent. My account was auto-confirmed today. But I do not know and I am confused on how to upload the article or publish it in Wikipedia. Please help. Daralnoble (talk) 13:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Daralnoble Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, you need to please review the conflict of interest and paid editing policies for information on formal declarations you are required to make.

Regarding your question, please understand that Wikipedia does not have mere "pages", it has articles. Those articles should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Any article about your company should not generally reference information from itself, such as press releases, staff interviews, the company website, announcements of routine business transactions, and other primary sources(which are not acceptable for establishing notability). Wikipedia isn't interested in what a company says about itself, only in what others choose to say about it. Most people in your position have great difficulty writing in this manner, though it is not impossible.

If you truly feel that you can write as I have described, and with a neutral point of view, you may use Articles for Creation to create and submit your draft for review by an independent editor. You should not directly create any article about your company yourself even if you technically are able to. Please note that even if you succeed in having your draft accepted, you would no longer be able to edit it directly, and would need to submit edit requests. Please note that an article about your company is not necessarily a good thing. Any article about your company could be edited by others, and you cannot lock it to the text that your company might prefer. Any information, good or bad, can be in the article as long as it appears in an independent reliable source. 331dot (talk) 13:26, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Daralnoble: Before making any edits, you need to appreciate that we are not here to help you promote your company. We do therefore expect paid editors like you to already have learned a litle about editing and understand how Wikipedia works and to edit competently. I have placed some key links on your talk page in a welcome message for you. (You might wish to do that before thinking of diving straight in with the ost challenging of tasks here - creating a page about your employer) You must first make an obligatory declartion on your userpage of your PAID editing, per the guidance in the link I've just given you. (Being an employee or representative, you are very definitely paid). Having then read this essential page on our notabilty criteria, you would ned to find at least three independent, detailed and in-depth sources which talk about your company. They may not be insider newspapers, own websites, social media or PR material. Having assembled those together, you would write your article based solely upon what those sources say about your company, and not what you want to say about it. This is critical. You would create and submit a draft article through this articles for creation page, and await feedback from one of our volunteer reviewers. You are paid; we are not, so you would have to await your turn in the review process. Normally, staff members rushing to create an article fail abysmally, as they cannot see past their Conflict of Interest. If we point you towards guidanace or policy pages, we expect you to take the time and trouble to read and follow them carefully before returning here with further questions. If you want a quicker idea of your chances, just tell us the company name and we can take a quick look and save everyone some trouble if its one of the millions out there that are 'not notable' and stand no chance here. See WP:PROMOTION to understand that we are not here to help anyone publicise the company or their products. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes, Thank-you a lot for that in-depth information. And i ask your pardon for the incorrect use of words (pages instead of articles) due to my infancy with Wikipedia. I understand the wait period of getting the article accepted and will sure write the article accordingly to the rules and regulations. Once again wholeheartedly thank you for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daralnoble (talk • contribs) 14:50, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Daralnoble: To be clear, I wasn't correcting your use of words exactly, just trying to get you in the right mindset, as creating a page is different than creating an article. I apologize for causing confusion. 331dot (talk) 14:56, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@331dot: There is no need of a sorry please, getting guided by someone in such circumstances are really appreciated. And this information was an eye opener for me as a new user. you guidence with writing and uploading the article is being a great help and I am sure who ever else comes across this section will be very thankful. Daralnoble (talk) 15:15, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

List of biologists

Having worked off and on with the List of biochemists since June I now have it in a state which corresponds better with how I think it ought to be (though as recently as today I noted two distinguished Israeli scientists who needed to be added). Others may think I've created a mess: if so, please let me know.

Anyway, I've started on the List of biologists, and have reached end of the letter A. However, as I'm a biochemist and not another sort of biologist I have less confidence in my judgement as to who should be listed. They need to have a Wikipedia page, of course, but what else?

I have a more specific question on which I'd like advice from experienced editors. Many entries contain notes like "(abbr. in botany: F.Allam.)" (at least three under A, many others under other letters). I can see that botanists want to know these abbreviations, but they can easily find them in the pages on the people concerned, which are all linked. How important are they for general readers? If I delete the whole lot will I be blocked for vandalism? Athel cb (talk) 14:00, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

My opinion is leave in place. While the information is also available at the articles about the individuals, it does no harm by being retained in this List article. In fact, a general reader's curiosity might be piqued by the information to visit the article. Botanist readers will be pleased by the inclusions. David notMD (talk) 14:47, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

2016 Atlantic Hurricane Season

I Made A Mistake On This Article. I Wanted To Put Hurricane Otto's Disappearing Date At The Very Top But It Just Erased The Track Map For The Whole Season. Can I get Help? Hurricanestudier123 (talk) 14:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done Welcome back, Hurricanestudier123! You'd missed off two closing curly brackets, which I've put back in. The Infobox functions again, but might not actually be what you wanted to achieve. I'll leave it to you, now. Remember, you can always 'undo' any edit you make if you fear it's messed up a page. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:03, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

please review my draft

thanks Draft:Give toes 216.125.35.209 (talk) 15:40, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Congratiulations, you have created a draft! Seriously though, that draft has an exactly zero chance of ever getting accepted. Maybe reading Encyclopedia should help you understanding. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Note: Page now deleted and IP editor blocked. Nick Moyes (talk)

Infobox

Good day, in the infobox if I'd like to add citations on two items but with one/same source, how do I do that? Thanks. Willygeorgina (talk) 15:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Willygeorgina. You can reference the same source multiple times in an article by using named references. See that link for an explanation. --ColinFine (talk) 16:20, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@ColinFine: So helpful. Thank you so much! Willygeorgina (talk) 14:57, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Conflicts on interest

Hi I created an account to update and make fuller a bio i wrote for my father Monty Meth (age 94) It was taken down although I do not understand the reasons why. There is nothing controversial in it. he is the source of most of the info and we would rather it was on WIKI whilst he is still with us.

Can you explain how I get it on line and if I can't post it can somebody else on our behalf

Thank you in anticipation

Ian Ian.meth (talk) 16:17, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Ian.meth, the article is still here - Monty Meth. Giraffer ^munch 16:23, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Ian.meth, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, if the source of most of the information about him is himself, then however wonderful a man he may be, he does not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article about him will be accepted. As an encyclopaedia, Wikipedia insists on all information in its articles being available in reliable published sources, so that a reader can check its accuracy. (There are many old articles which need cleaning up or deleting on that account, but we are more careful about what we accept nowadays). Sorry. --ColinFine (talk) 16:25, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Ian.methYou might find Everybody wiki better suits your purpose.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:05, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Setting up COI and changing article name

Good day. I am not sure what to do to declare that I am the owner of the brand and that there is not COI yet it is implied that there is. I am also trying to change the name article name in order to prevent confusion. JohnGWE (talk) 16:58, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, JohnGWE, and welcome to the Teahouse. I take it that this is in connection with the Mr Gay South Africa and Mr Gay World articles.

You should probably add a statement to the page JohnGWE that you are the owner of the brand, carefully specifying exactly what brand you claim to be the owner of. Note that this does not give you any special rights to control or own those articles -- in fact it puts you under restrictions on editing those articles greater than those faced by a random uninvolved editor.

You should also declare a Conflict of interest with those two articles, either on their talk pages, or on your user page, or better, on both. See WP:COI for how to do that.

You should not edit the articles directly except to revert clear vandalism, or to correct uncontroversial factual errors with a cited source. Otherwise use {{request edit}} on the article talk page. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear DES Thank you for your assistance.

(edit conflict) Hello JohnGWE, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm a bit confused, because you seem to already have had lots of questions answered on this topic, both at the Help desk and after your successful unblock request. If you own a brand or company about which you want to make changes, there's nothing to be ashamed of, but will most certainly have a conflict of interest. Just declare it on your userpage - it's better than not doing so. There are instructions how to do that Here, with practical details in this subsection. Because you no doubt gain financially from that ownership, we would interpret that as 'paid editing'. So, if you plan to do more than request a page move, you are obliged by our policies to declare that connection. See WP:PAID for further details. Yes, there can be a lot of our guidelines to wade through, but we rely on openness. Does this answer your outstanding question (the one about page renaming appears to have been answered elsewhere)? Nick Moyes (talk) 18:15, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear Nick Moyesif you are confused then you must know how I feel - give an event to organize and I am in 7th heaven but dont give me a document with all the cross references. Apologies for any inconvenience caused JohnGWE (talk) 18:53, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@JohnGWE: LOL! Don't worry John, all that follows below is a bit over nerdy, even for the Teahouse. Just do your best to make a declaration, and we can help you out if you get confused. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Actually, Nick Moyes in my experience we do not generally interpret editing by the owner of a business as paid editing, although there would clearly be a financial COI in such a case. The hallmark of paid editing is that someone else is in a position to instruct the editor what to write. Writing about one's own business is like an autobiography: strongly discouraged but not forbidden and not considered paid editing. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:22, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I wonder if that should be clarified in the paid editing policy, because I too have sometimes treated a business owner editing about their business as a paid editing relationship as they derive income from their business; The policy states "A paid contribution is one that involves contributing to Wikipedia in exchange for money or other inducements." A business owner is clearly induced to contribute about their own business if they are doing so in a promotional manner. I don't mean to discuss this here, just saying. 331dot (talk) 18:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Thanks, David. That's an interesting one. When I go to WP:COI and look at the section on paid editing there (shortcut WP:PE), it states An editor has a financial conflict of interest when they write about a topic with which they have a close financial relationship. This includes being an owner, employee, contractor, investor or other stakeholder. It refers to this as paid editing and then goes on to link to the WMF Policy at WP:PAID. Thus, if I were the owner and CEO of Nick Moyes Acme Widgets and wanted to edit the article about my product or brand, I would interpret that I not only have a 'conflict of interest' but that I am receiving financial benefit from the sales of my widgets, whose profile I have helped raise by my edits. Thus, not only should I, but I must follow WP:PAID and declare my connection and financial benefit as owner/CEO, or face being blocked for undeclared paid editing (UPE). Note that 'How to disclose' at WP:PAID links back to the WP:PE section in the WP:COI page. So, I would probably put the following userbox on my userpage, along with a note explaining that I am the owner/CEO of my widget company, thus:

This user has publicly declared that they have a conflict of interest regarding the Wikipedia article Nick Moyes Acme Widgets.

With a note to introduce me, maybe something like: "Hi I'm Nick. I am the CEO of Nick Moyes Acme Widgets, effectively a non-profit company which only fails to make a profit because I am so absolutely useless at making and selling widgets. I don't intend to edit that article much, but I will undertake to make any edits to that page as neutral as a can. My hobbies are voodoo and welding, so I shall also spend some of my time editing those articles."

Then, on the talk page at Talk:Nick Moyes Acme Widgets I would place the following (deleting any 'nowiki' bits in chevroned brackets, of course)

{{Connected contributor (paid)|User1=Nick Moyes|U1-employer=Nick Moyes Acme Widgets|U1-otherlinks=https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nick_Moyes&type=revision&diff=980121861&oldid=975883638&diffmode=source}}

I realise this is semantics, but my interpretation of policy is that company ownership is 100% paid editing, and should be declared as such. But please let me know if you disagree with my interpretation. But as far as poor old JohnGWE goes, he just needs to do his best to make it clear on his USERPAGE it's his brand, and we can guide him if he cocks it up! Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps I was mistaken about the PAID aspect. In any case, the connection does need to be declared before JohnGWE edits any further on any of the articles where his brand is involved. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 22:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you DES and Nick Moyes - maybe someone will bring out a Idiots Guide to Wikipedia with singular links with instructions for example - to create a userpage click here and copy the following and edit the relevant information. Same with the rest. I will take the weekend and go through everything slowly and figure out the userpage / coi / paid things so that I comply and update the pages and hope they dont get changed back :-) Thank you all so much for the assistance up to date - I really appreciate it. Regards— Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnGWE (talk • contribs) 06:12, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi JohnGWE. If you want to create a user page, just click on your user name. It's only red at the moment because so such page exists. When you click on your user name a new edit window will open up where you can add content much in the same you've added posts to this discussion thread. When you've added what you want to add, click "Show preview" to check how things look. When everything's the way you want it to be, click "Publish page" and your edits will be saved. If you want to change things later on, just repeat the same process. As long as your user page is not one of these, you should be fine.

As for I will take the weekend and go through everything slowly and figure out the userpage / coi / paid things so that I comply and update the pages and hope they dont get changed back, I think what Nick and DES are politely suggesting is that you don't try to update the pages yourself, but instead propose the changes you want to make on the relevant articles' talk pages as explained in WP:PSCOI#Steps for engagement. Having your proposed changes assessed by others who don't have a COI is more likely going to reduce the chance of them getting changed back. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:37, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Marchjuly I THINK I got it right. If I did I should get a gold star ;-) Thank you to all for your patients and assistance. Much appreciated. JohnGWE (talk) 08:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

OOPS! I think I did it wrong (again)! I wanted to create a new article / page and I followed the steps on Google and this is what happened https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JohnGWE/sandbox "have head need wall" What did I do wrong? JohnGWE (talk) 08:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

The main problem, JohnGWE, was that you copied content from http://issuu.com/pinkloeriemagazine/docs/pl2017companyprofile-version-3, and http://www.pinkloeriefoundation.com/history/ and tried to post it to Wikipedia. Even if you or your company holds the copyright to that, which we cannot verify, there is no release under a free license on either page. The second URL carries a copyright symbol. Wikipedia simply will not accept copyrighted content that has not been verifiably released under a free license, even if the poster says that s/he holds the copyright or has permission. See WP:COPYRIGHTS. There seem to have been some other problems with the draft, but that is a killer -- copyright violation are typically deleted on sight. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Dear DESiegel Thank you very much. I will try and rewrite the article. It really took us almost 3 months to write and fact check the article before I published it back in 2012 :-O but I understand and appreciate the assistance. Regards JohnGWE (talk) 16:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Another participant persistently removes my edits

Another participant named Ke an unmotivatedely persistently removes my edits at Lithuania proper as I am trying to improve the article by mentioning all countries where this historical territory existed, and he does it regardless of all the proper explanation I provide - just dismissing it. I am not sure what should I do in such a situation, as it creates a totally unfriendly environment. Thank you. Vadzim (talk) 19:33, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Vadzim: open a discussion on the article talkpage. If that fails, you can attempt other steps of WP:DISPUTE. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:38, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Vadzim: This is really good advice. You both appear to be involved in an WP:EDITWAR, whereby you are each constantly revert back to your preferred version. For fairness, I have given you both formal warnings on your talk pages. You could both receive a short block from editing if this continues. I've not yet countered the number of reverts, but you both look perilously close to our limit! So going to the talk page, citing sources, speaking reasonably, and trying to understand the other person's perspective is a really healthy way to collaborate and to come to agreement on what is and what is not appropriate in the article. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:52, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt:

@Nick Moyes: 

Dear Victor Schmidt, Nick Moyes and other experienced editors, could you please be so kind to examine the behaviour of user Ke an here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Lithuania_proper&diff=980430732&oldid=980430412 as he continues removing/reverting disputed part of the article even when he knows discussion on the talk page isn't over yet (because he participates in it). Since the beginning of the discussion on the talk page I reverted it once, but only to let some new editor, who came later and might not know there is the discussion, know that there is an ongoing debate on talk page - unlike Ke an, who willingly reverts the page when he knows there is no conclusion is discussion yet. Thank you for your time! Vadzim (talk) 14:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Not just deletion, but "speedy deletion" :-(

Hello everyone! I'm new to Wikipedia and wrote my third article, Kilma S. Lattin I had pretty good results with the first two, but this page was tagged for "speedy deletion" this morning, about 30 minutes after I posted it. I have since made a few edits, as well as pressed the blue "Contest" button. Would anyone have time to take a look, and give me some other advice about what I could edit? Possibly weigh on on whether you think it reads like a promotion? It doesn't seem overly promotional to me at all. I do like to write about people who do really exceptional things, but then there are a lot of biographies of exceptional people on Wikipedia. :-) I hope that the editors will agree. It would be great to get more positive representation of living Native Americans on Wikipedia. Thank you in advance! Even though I'm new, let me know if there's anything I can help with. Excited to be on the platform. CHelmuth HLMC98 20:35, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I've removed the speedy deletion tag but I can see why it was placed. I had to read very carefully before I could convince myself 1) that this person likely meets the bar of WP:Notability but it's not a sure thing, and 2) the content can be trimmed way down so the "spam" rationale would no longer apply. Major trimming and cleanup is required. As is, this MIGHT go down at WP:AFD if someone made a WP:Blow it up and start over claim, but probably not. If any seasoned editors want to jump on over and start trimming, please do. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 21:13, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

I have started the process of gutting the article. Editors experienced in trimming out the fat are welcome to go to the talk page and help. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 22:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Article length reduced by ~2/3 and ref count from 60 to 21. What remains is probably an article that qualifies for notability. David notMD (talk) 09:07, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Getting song artwork on wiki

hey! I need help getting the artwork to a song on Wikipedia! FarisLloyd (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: Could you tell us and link to which artwork and which song, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 23:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

• yes its Lost by Cher Lloyd! I have a hq one on my pc

Editing wikipedia

I have no idea how to edit/update a wikipedia article, in particular: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden. Do I need to learn HTML or some such? Is there an easy way for a non-technical person? Dcnewkirk (talk) 22:57, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Dcnewkirk, hello! Try WP:TUTORIAL. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 23:06, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Hi Dcnewkirk. You might want to take the Wikipedia:Adventure because it’s one way to learn about Wikipedia and Wikipedia editing. As for the Hunter Biden article, it has been protected by an administrator because of some serious disruption; so, some accounts may be unable to edit it.

In addition, there are additional restrictions placed upon the article at the moment because of the contentious nature of the subject matter in order to try and ensure that the article content's remains in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines (such as WP:BLP).

Assuming that your reasons for wanting to edit the article is more WP:HERE than WP:NOTHERE, the best thing you could probably do is post/propose suggestion at Talk:Hunter Biden and be WP:CAUTIOUS. Before you post anything though, please read the notices listed at the talk of the article’s talk page and make sure not to violate any policies or guidelines with your posts. — Marchjuly (talk) 23:16, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Question about making article on video game

Hello! I'd like to make an article about a game that me and my team are publishing and releasing in couple months, and I happen to be old Wikipedia editor (not really on English wikipedia, but still)

I know this probably gets asked 10s of times a day here probably, but, what qualifies it for Wikipedia-worthy article? I will not be using my own material, even though external articles or coverages does not exist, the game has lots of official material (Steam store and other different store pages, official website with its own wiki, and is overall mentioned in social media a lot)

Can I go ahead and try submitting the article? if not, when would it qualify? if any official magazine/article posts happen from reviewers and such? Thanks! Nika1010 (talk) 05:30, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Nika1010. See WP:42 for more details, but basically only subjects considered to be Wikipedia notable are deemed accetable to have a stand-alone article written about them. Since "Wikipedia notable" is kind of a broad term that might be hard to assess in some cases, various subject-specific notability guidelines have been developed over the years to provide additional guidance. In the case of video games, you might want to look at WP:NVIDEOGAMES for reference. If you have any more specific questions about whether the game you want to create an article about is Wikipedia notable, a good place to ask would be at WT:VG since that's where you're likely to find editor knowlegable of the subject matter.

Of course, you can always go it alone and create an article yourself, but I suggest starting a draft and then submitting it to Wikipedia:Article for creation for review when you think it's ready. Even though you're not required to do so, working on a draft and then submitting it for review might make it easier for others to help you develop the article to help ensure that it doesn't end up quickly nominated or tagged for deletion once it is added to the article namespace. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Nika1010, it will qualify (in Wikipedia's terminology, "be notable") once it has been discussed at length in several reliable independent published sources. Sources that won't contribute to demonstrating that it's notable include: articles written by its creators, articles based on press releases, advertisements for it on Amazon etc, posts to blogs or social media. Once there a few in-depth reviews in reputable journals, you'll have a chance of getting an article accepted. Read that link to "notable" if you need more information. And you're dead right about "10s of times a day". Maproom (talk) 05:54, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Request to modify title-"Marie Curie" to "Marie Sklodowska-Curie"

Hello,

I can’t change the Semi-protection article, but I think the title should be modified-change "Marie Curie" to "Marie Sklodowska-Curie." I believe this should be a respect for great people, so I want to apply for related changes. But because I don’t have this permission, and I haven’t found anyone who can be contacted on the "Contact us" of WIKI. So come here for help , Thank you again for your assistance!

Best regards, 132.178.238.28 (talk) 05:51, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia's policy for naming articles is to use the name by which the subject is usually known in publish English-language sources. Thus "Tony Blair", not "Anthony Charles Lynton Blair" or even "Anthony Blair". You can often use Google's ngrams to check, e.g. [3]. Maproom (talk) 06:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP 132.178.238.28. The relevant guideline we try to follow in a case like this is WP:COMMONNAME, which is the Wikipedia way of saying pretty much what Maproom posted above. Just for refernece, this seems to have been something discussed several times before. If you go to Talk:Marie Curie and enter "Skłodowska" in the "Search archives" window in the talk page header, you'll see quite a few discussion have already been held about this. Perhaps by reading through those discussions, you'll gain a better understanding as to why the article's title is what it is. Of course, you're welcome to start a new discussion about this on the article's talk page, but any attempt to change the title of the article without a proper discussion is going to likely be seen as editing against the established consensus regardless of who tries to do so, and almost certainly reverted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:17, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

About British nationalities

This IP located in Japan has been - and currently is - going around changing "the UK" to "England", "Scotland", etc. and is changing the nationalities in lead sections and userboxes of British personalities' articles from "British" to "English", "Scottish", etc. These are the only edits by the IP. I feel these edits are unnecessary. I reverted a few of these edits but the IP reinstated them. I don't want to get into an edit war, and I don't think the IP's going to stop. What should I do? Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 07:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI. Disputes like this are probably best resolved by starting a discussion on the article's talk page and see if a consensus can be established either way. Techinically, the IP shoud've been the one to do that per WP:BRD and WP:DR, but they didn't. You're correct to try and avoid edit warring since neither you nor the IP is likely to WP:WIN and both of you would most likely end up blocked instead.

You might find some guidance in Wikipedia:Nationality of people from the United Kingdom, but I don't think any thing is going to be accomplished by further trying to discuss this with the IP on their user talk page given what's taken place there so far and it's more likely one of you is going to post something that's just going lead to more serious problems.

So, use the articles' talk pages and ty to get others involved. If you can establish a consensus in your favor, the IP will be expected to honor it; if not, the same will be expected of you. Since multiple articles seem to be involved, you might want to ask about this at WT:UK and then add links to that discussion to the talk pages of each concerned article. This might help to keep the discussion centralized and also eliminate redundancy. You should also as a courtesy politiely notify the IP of the discussion; they might choose not to participate, but they won't be able to claim they weren't notified.

Finally, the IPs location is irrelevant and you should be very careful about trying to use that in any arguments you make. You also should be very careful in trying to dig up more information about the IP. You should focus your argument on the content being discussed and how relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines apply, not on the IP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:51, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, Marchjuly. Yes,I think I will leave the IP alone, and I don't think there's much else to be done. I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill... Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 08:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI: All credit to you for recognising the error in questioning their location/nationality, and for apologising directly to them for that. I was very unimpressed about the way they reacted to you and have formally cautioned them on the need to be CIVIL. Regards from the UK (where I regard my nationality as British and my country of origin as England, which therefore makes me English as well as British.) Oh, and you might be interested by this. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:17, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes Thanks. And yeah, that play was interesting... Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI ^{converse | fings wot i hav dun} 11:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Has my article been sent for review?

How do I know my draft article has been submitted for review. Here is the link to my article : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Laborate_Pharmaceuticals_India_Limited Allin96 (talk) 07:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Allin96. No, the draft you've been working on hasn't been submitted for reveiw yet. I've added a template to the top of the page that contains a blue "Submit your draft for review button!" that you can click whenever you think the draft is ready.

I noticed that you've uploaded File:Laborate Logo.png to Wikimedia Commons under a claim of "own work", and that you also uploaded File:Laborate 1985 logo.png under a similar claim. Are you somehow connected to "Laborate Pharmaceuticals India Limited" or did you create the logo for the company? The copyrights of corporate logos like this is generally owned by the company the logo represents and you shouldn't be uploading files that you don't own the copyright on to Wikipedia or Commons as your own work or without the WP:CONSENT of the copyright holder. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Answering back on the Teahouse

How do i reply to someone who has answered my question in the Teahouse. Im able to ask using the Ask A Question, but after someone replies i unable to figure out how to answer back/thank them. Allin96 (talk) 08:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Allin96, if you wanted to respond to Marchjuly, pretty much like you just did. Additionally, take a look at WP:INDENT and WP:PING. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Allin96: If you want to reply to someone, put their username in the {{reply to}} template, which will notify them (as I am doing in this line). Here's an example:

{{ping|Marchjuly}} Thanks for the response!

produces:

@Marchjuly: Thanks for the response!

Alternatively, use the {{u}} template, like so:

Thanks {{u|Marchjuly}}, I have a followup question.

produces:

Thanks Marchjuly, I have a followup question.

Both formats will send a notification to Marchjuly, in which hopefully they will soon reply. Check out Help:Notifications for more info. Hope this helps! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Ganbaruby, in your reply, you failed to mention the WP:SIGN. Pings don't work without it, and it must be in the same published edit as the template. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:35, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Yup, basically remember to sign with four tildes! ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:43, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Allin96 (talk) 08:56, 25 September 2020 (UTC) Thanks Ganbaruby

@Allin96: FYI, that notification worked. However, please sign with four tildes at the end of your comment. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 08:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

confirmation of this page

How will i come to know if my page is confirmed, and how long will it take it. Ramkumar Singaram1808 (talk) 10:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Ramkumar Singaram1808, hello! If you are referring to User:Ramkumar Singaram1808, that is your WP:USERPAGE. It is meant for writing, a little, about what you do on Wikipedia and perhaps a little about who you are. If you want to write a WP-article about yourself, don't, it's (almost certainly) a waste of time, see WP:Autobiography. However, if you want to try anyway, take the time to read WP:YFA carefully. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:28, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Visual editing

I got constructive feedback on my entry and I want to improve it, but my entry showed up without the visual editing option in "Edit", but only "Edit source". Could someone please explain how to make Visual editing possible? It will take so long to figure out the other way of editing. Thanks a lot. Sand7043 11:53, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

You have two drafts. Which one? Draft:Sigvard von Sicard has been reviewed and Declined.Draft:Harald Philip Hans von Sicard is submitted but not yet reviewed. When I looked at them, both had "Edit" as an option. David notMD (talk) 12:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Sand7043 Whilst David notMD may be seeing both editing types ('Edit' and 'Edit source'), you might not. This is simply because your individual User Preference settings are probably different. So, go to the top of any page in desktop mode and look for the 'Preferences' link. From there go to Preferences>Editing and look for the 'Editing mode' option within the subsection labelled 'Editor'. Make sure you have "Show me both editor tabs" selected, and then save your settings. Going to any new article should then reveal both of the editing tabs. From that start you can then change your overall editing preferences. I find having both options available is extremely helpful, but within both of the editors there's a black pencil icon in the upper right of the page which lets you 'Switch Editor'. Let us know if that has got your problem solved. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Review my draft

Can someone review this short article I wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Laborate_Pharmaceuticals_India_Limited Allin96 (talk) 12:12, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Teahouse volunteer hosts are not all also draft reviewers. You draft has been submitted. There are more than 3,000 waiting for a review. Could be days, weeks, or months. The process is not a queue - each reviewer look at the list and picks out what they want to review next. Be patient. David notMD (talk) 12:29, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

How do I create a page and put files on it?

Can you please help me create a page + put files on it? Also, I am new, so can you help me edit Wikipedia?

 Holly2017 (talk) 13:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Holly2017: Please clarify: Are you tring to create an encyclopedia article, or are you trying to create some other sort of page?. Victor Schmidt (talk) 14:55, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

See WP:Your first article. Articles must be about something that meets Wikipedia's definition of notable. In passing, please stop uploading images that have no potential for ever being used in an article. David notMD (talk) 17:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Need Citations for Crystal Light

I am having trouble finding a source for when Crystal light was created. On the Wikipedia article, it states it was made and sold in 1982, but other than the article itself and one other source that mentioned it in passing, I can't find any other resources stating it was made in 1982. The official website, kraft foods, had a FAQ section about crystal light, saying that it was sold in 1984. Which source should be added as a citation for the article? SkippSeven (talk) 14:47, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SkippSeven: Here is a 1982 source referencing the existence/availability of Crystal Light.[4] This 1982 source says it is in "test market" phase.[5] This 1983 source says the same.[6] Unfortunately, you can only see the volume number and publication name and not the article title, page, etc. But I think it's clear that it existed at least in some places as of 1982. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:34, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SkippSeven: This source says "Crystal Light went national in April, 1984." I'm a little concerned though because the date given by Google in 1982. I think this means that there is a single bound volume of multiple periodical issues that started in 1982 but went for some time after that. Which undercuts my prior collection of sources. Let me think a bit more about this. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SkippSeven: Here is a 1982 newspaper article stating that it is in test markets. Another article of interest. This is a 1994 article with the 1982 date. I would write that it was introduced to test markets in 1982 and sold nationally beginning in April 1984. Calliopejen1 (talk) 16:57, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Thank you for the help! SkippSeven (talk) 17:05, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Did you try searching the company annual reports. They will sometimes mention the launch of a new product.2605:E000:1301:4777:7811:4FC0:E9A3:96B8 (talk) 18:00, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

• If you encounter further research questions, the folks at the WP:Reference desk are very good at sleuthing out those sorts of facts. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 22:30, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

How to fix age in infobox?

On the Android 11 page, the infobox shows General availability as "September 8, 2020; 12 days ago". This is very strange since today is September 25, so the age should be at least 17 days ago. 104.35.46.117 (talk) 15:20, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP user, I have fixed this by purging the page. The dates must have been cached in the server, which is why they were not updating correctly. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I am really struggling - Can someone help me build a wikipedia page?

 Bran Symondson AK47 (talk) 16:16, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

The first thing is to see whether you can find references to published reliable sources to demonstrate notability. After that, you can use those sources to build the article, see WP:Your first article. David Biddulph (talk) 16:26, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bran Symondson AK47. Please understand that:

• writing about yourself on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged
• promotion is strictly forbidden.
• A Wikipedia article is not for the benefit of the article's subject. Nor is it in any way under the control of the subject.
• Wikipedia is not interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows). Wikipedia is only interested in what has been published in reliable sources. If there is ever an article about you, it will be nearly 100% based on what people who have no connection with you (and have not been prompted or fed information by you or your associates) have chosen to say or write about you and been published in reliable places. --ColinFine (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bran Symondson AK47. There are several problems with User:Bran Symondson AK47/sandbox.

• First of all, there are no citations. Statements should be supported by citations to reliable sources, preferably independant secondarysources.
• Secondly, the draft is rather promotional. Such phrases as globally renowned, famous great portrait, His artwork is sold globally and each piece is completely different. are not acceptable unless cited to a named person whose opinion they are. Name-dropping is also not a good idea.
• This is why autobiographies are strongly discouraged on Wikipedia.
• The draft does not demonstrate compliance with WP:NARTIST or WP:NBIO, and in short does not establish notability. Only notable subjects can have Wikipedia articles. Cited sources are needed to demonstrate notability.
• There are also formatting issues. Boldface is way over-used. It is normally used once in the opening sentence for the name of the subject, and rarely if ever later in the article. Bulleted lists should start with asterisks on each line/item.

In short that is a long way to go for this to be a valid article. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 18:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

How can i add a new page with images and all for a Nigerian Content.

Good day, Please i want to add pages for MODE MEN Magazine and other (an individual, the Editor of Mode men)

i request guidance.

i also want to be a contributor to wikipedia. Nnstega (talk) 16:41, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Nnstega! If you mean that you want to write WP-articles about those, take the time to read Help:Your first article carefully. On contributing, see WP:TUTORIAL and get into it! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:49, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

"This article has an unclear citation style."

I don't understand why the article, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Burch, has been flagged with: "This article has an unclear citation style. The references used may be made clearer with a different or consistent style of citation and footnoting. (October 2019) (Learn how and when to remove this template message"

Can someone please point out the issue specifically so I can correct it. Thank you.

Diane SoCalArchitect (talk) 17:21, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SoCalArchitect: The main issue I see is that the websites have no publisher specified. I'd recommend using the "cite" button in the visual editor, which supplies fields for you to fill in for author, date, publisher, etc. Some information on creating citations using the visual editor can be found here: Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User_guide#Adding_a_new_reference. Calliopejen1 (talk) 17:32, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Have removed, the template didn't apply to that page. – Thjarkur (talk) 17:48, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SoCalArchitect, Calliopejen1, and Þjarkur: That tag was added in this version when some citations used templates and others used urls plus descriptions. That is mostly fixed, but even now many of the citation not only do not supply a publication date or author or publisher (which are optional, but desirable), they do not give the name of the publication or website being cited. I am going to restore the tag. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 19:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I've personally viewed {{Unclear citation style}} as only really fitting for mixed <refs/> and inline Harvards (mixed majors styles) since its wording is so unclear. I've added a custom cleanup template with an explicit request for what info is missing. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

stub article coding

What is the coding to add stub to an article? 2605:E000:1301:4777:7811:4FC0:E9A3:96B8 (talk) 17:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

You can just add {{stub}} to the bottom of the article if needed. There are a million specific ones that you can use instead, but there are other people that can fix that eventually. To find more specific ones, just Google for example "wikipedia russian musician stub template", which brings you to {{Russia-singer-stub}}. – Thjarkur (talk) 18:01, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

This WP search might be a little better to find stub-marking templates with the word "Russia" in them. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:25, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

need help with references

Central Point, Oregon's wikipedia page has an outdated population. I do not know how to make references and would like to cite this website: https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/central-point-or-population. Firestar9990 (talk) 19:58, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't know anything about worldpopulationreview.com. The US Census Bureau gives a population of 18,130 as of 2018[7] (different than what worldpopulationreview.com says), which is what I would use. I'd use the "cite" button in the visual editor to make your citation and go from there. See Wikipedia:VisualEditor/User_guide#Adding_a_new_reference for more help. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:47, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Firestar9990: Alternatively, see WP:ERB. I agree that, when it comes to things like populations, an official source (i.e., a country's statistics agency) is preferable. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:41, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

A.T.P.T.W.A

is there a way I can play the adventure game ●●●● Bdetfehigj (talk) 20:03, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Bdetfehigj: Are you looking for Wikipedia:TWA? Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Removal of bad faith messages

I deleted some messages in this revision as I thought they were bad faith messages as they assume I am lying and I am evading a ban.

Was I right to do so?

Eyebeller (talk) 20:07, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

​You are free to remove messages from your own talk page as you see fit. – Thjarkur (talk) 20:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi Eyebeller. Just to clarify; you're free to pretty much remove all messages from you're user talk page, but there are certain posts you're not supposed to remove as explained in WP:BLANKING. However, if you remove something, it's going to be assumed that you read it and understood it; so, you can't claim later on that you were either unaware of or not properly warned about something. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:39, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

​​ Ok. Thanks for the clarification from both of you. Eyebeller (talk)<

An unregistered user reverting/ reinserting the content that I removed from an article.

Hi to all! I recently made edits to this page (my edits can be found here), as it was listed on Cleanup listing for WikiProject Pakistan. This page is longer then it needs to be. There is a huge, unnecessary list of programmes aired/currently airing on this channel, and have no citations. I left a message on the article's talk page about the edits. No one replied and I went forward with it (WP:BOLD). Then, an unregistered user, edited the article and basically reverted it back to its original state. That IP pops up in the Edit History every now and then. How am I to proceed with this. Can this be treated as vandalism? The user is unregistered, so I can't ping them and talk directly. Need help. SuddenlyMangoes (talk) 20:46, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@SuddenlyMangoes: I would not treat this as vandalism. It sounds like you have a content dispute. You might seek input at WT:TV asking how this is usually handled, and maybe get additional people from the project to watch the page for you and join in a discussion on the talk page. For further ideas of how to deal with the dispute, have a look at Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:52, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@Calliopejen1: Thanks for the guidance. I'll post a question at WT:TV. SuddenlyMangoes (talk) 08:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

How should I format a literal translation

Should it be (Literally: "_______"), (Literal translation: "______"), (Literally "______"), or (literally:/literally "________")? JessWess99 (talk) 21:45, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@JessWess99: I highly doubt we have any particular guidance on this. (someone correct me if I'm wrong.) They all seem fine to me. If one is preferred, another Wikipedian will come along later and switch it to the preferred one. Calliopejen1 (talk) 21:49, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

JessWess99, I'd format it to something similar to the language templates. An example from Artemisinin § Discovery: {{Lang-zh|c=青蒿素|l=compound of green-blue wormwood}} produces Chinese: 青蒿素; lit. 'compound of green-blue wormwood'. Hope that helped, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 22:14, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

@JessWess99: No reason to capitalize "Literally". I'd write it is called foo (literally "bar"). In a table or other repetitive or space-sensitive situation, I might use the abbreviation "lit." instead of "literally". —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 23:51, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

Need help with this

 2600:387:1:809:0:0:0:55 (talk) 23:06, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

What do you need help with? Calliopejen1 (talk) 23:19, 25 September 2020 (UTC)

How can I edit without using disruptive editing?

How can I edit without using Wikipedia:Disruptive editing? KassMMB (talk) 03:02, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Follow Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, with special attention to the three core content policies, which are Verifiability, the Neutral point of view, and No original research. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Pinging KassMMB, since I forgot to do so in my previous edit Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:00, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

KassMMB The issue appears to be that you are adding to football (soccer) players' articles in good faith and 4TheWynne is reverting you and warning you to stop. I recommend you ask at that editor's Talk page (User talk:4TheWynne) how to properly add awards and honours. David notMD (talk) 08:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Help Adding a Widget with a Google map

I have created a walking map that incorporates many of the buildings in this list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Art_Deco_buildings_in_Perth

I would love to add the map in its own box next to the Contents at the top

No idea how - so assistance gratefully accepted.

cheers PerthDeco (talk) 03:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: because Wikipedia is a freely licensed project, we don't integrate copyrighted content like Google Maps. It's possible there is some way to do this by embedding Open Street maps content, but I'm not sure. Perhaps someone else knows that answer... Calliopejen1 (talk) 04:24, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply - do you mean anything that uses Google Maps? The map is entirely my work with info found in the public domain and uses my own photos - can I add it to any other wiki project? PerthDeco (talk) 04:37, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: Check out the info and links at Wikipedia:WikiProject OpenStreetMap. It may be a little out of date, but might help. I'm sure I've seen a template somewhere for putting OSM into articles - just can't remember where right now, sorry. I created the maps at Mont Blanc massif by layering OSM in powerpoint and tracing key features I wanted. I then deleted the background map and converted a screenshot from jog to svg. Inelegant, but it worked. See also WP:WikiProject Maps. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 07:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@PerthDeco: found it! Check out this page and the 'See also' links, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:10, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Updating pictures on Artists wikipedia page!

Hey! So I really want to update the images portrayed on Cher Lloyd wiki page! The current photos are from 2012 and it is 2020 now! This must be updated!

I have some photos I'd hope you guys can add for me!

https://www.flickr.com/photos/139848974@N07/26177918621/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/96853530@N05/11202591733/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/javicmorales/30406915221/in/photostream/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/javicmorales/29862999694/in/photostream/ FarisLloyd (talk) 05:14, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi FarisLloyd. Unfortunately, none of those photos are usable on Wikipedia, since none of them are freely licensed (see the "all rights reserved" tag on Flickr). If you find other photos on Flickr that do have a free license (e.g. Creative Commons license), though, you can add them to Wikimedia Commons by following the instructions there; it's easy to import from Flickr. You could also start a discussion at Talk:Cher Lloyd and see if anyone can find a better image, or browse through commons:Category:Cher Lloyd to try to find one yourself. One thing to keep in mind is that we don't always want to use the most recent photo of someone if older photos are better quality. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 05:31, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

So would red carpet photos be useable? I found some that have no copyright stamp — Preceding unsigned comment added by FarisLloyd (talk • contribs) 05:32, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@FarisLloyd: No, sorry. All photos are regarded as copyright of the photographer, even if there's no 'copyright' notice shown. What we actually require is positive evidence of the presence of an appropriate Creative Commons commercial licence, NOT the absence of any copyright notice. Nick Moyes (talk) 06:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi FarisLloyd. Is your choice of a username just a coincidence or are you somehow connected to Lloyd in a personal or professional way? — Marchjuly (talk) 06:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I am one of Cher's leading street teams (fan groups) to promote her and her music. I have direct connections to her manager and get exclusive info on new releases etc. That is why I felt the need to update her wiki page photo because her team wanted me to look into it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by FarisLloyd (talk • contribs) 06:38, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying things FarisLloyd. Based upon what you've posted, you do have a Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and might even be subject to Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. I will post a more detailed reply on your user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 14:48, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Table is in the wrong place

Hello,

I need help. I am editing the draft article Josie James, and one of my tables ends up under "External Links" no matter what I do. I've checked for typos a thousand times. If I change the order of the tables, no tables go under "external links." Only the one I want to put last.

Thanks in advance! Earlgrey20 (talk) 07:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Such symptoms are usually a result of an unterminated table. The end of a table is indicated by |}, not |-}. I have corrected it in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:19, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

CSD

I know I'm not a new user, but is it OK if you still reply to me?

I was nominating a user page for speedy deletion under WP:U2 when I decided to move my CSD log to the User talk: namespace, because I don't like editing in userspace much. It actually turns out that the (now blocked) user who created the page had created five other userpages for nonexistent users. I came around and CSD'd one of them, but it added the page to User:Chicdat/CSD log instead of User talk:Chicdat/CSD log. So I went to my TW preferences and replaced the "CSD log" part of it with User talk:Chicdat/CSD log. But now, when I nominated another page for CSD, it saved it to User:Chicdat/User talk:Chicdat/CSD log! Will I ever be able to CSD again?

🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 10:26, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello Chicdat, yes older users are also welcome to ask here at the Teahouse. I don't think it's possible to keep your CSD log in your user talk space, would recommend just using the standard "CSD log" value. You might be able to try setting "CSD log" in your settings, creating a redirect from User:Chicdat/CSD log to User talk:Chicdat/CSD log, and then see if Twinkle follows the redirect. – Thjarkur (talk) 10:34, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I tried. Twinkle didn't follow the redirect. I'll just disable CSD log and manually add pages to it. 🐔 Chicdat ^{Bawk to me!} 10:36, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

How to capitalize my username?

Hi Teahouse friends, and thanks for your help to answer questions from users like myself.

Is there a way that I can change the capitalization and display of my username?

Right now, my username on Wikipedia is "Nickgray"

For purely aesthetic reasons, I'd like it to either be "nickgray" (no caps) or "NickGray" (camelcase) Nickgray (talk) 11:06, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Nickgray By default, the first letter of a username is capitalized and this cannot be changed, though it can be worked around by altering your signature, see WP:SIG. You can make a username change request at Special:GlobalRenameRequest to change other letters in your username to caps. 331dot (talk) 11:09, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

You can change your signature to almost anything you want. While the edit histories will always show an uppercase letter, you can make your user-page lowercase with {{lowercase title}}. To get CamelCase you can either request a username change or you can give your user-page the appearance of CamelCase with {{DISPLAYTITLE:User:Nick<span style="text-transform:uppercase;">g</span>ray}} – Thjarkur (talk) 11:17, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Would Wikipedia be a good match for cultural history documentation that includes PDFs?

In the case of documenting the “output” of an international film festival, the festival Wikipedia page currently lists all the awards and certain other major events for the festival, but very little detail or any real yearly or historical documentation.

Editors could of course already choose to also start including lists of all movies shown each year along with information about guests and judges and so on, to better document the cultural history of the event and paint a more complete picture.

But information on Wikipedia should ideally be backed up by links to sources, and one of the best sources for the extra information mentioned above would be the yearly festival catalogue, a source that also contains a lot of other information (about each film shown, portraits of the honour guests and judges, the festival themes and other cultural documentation) that from a cultural history viewpoint might be just as important as the threadbare basic facts currently published on Wikipedia – some might argue vital even.

Posing, hypothetically, that the festival would be willing to make their past catalogues available for online publishing as PDFs, then the inclusion of these PDF catalogues would help make the cultural history documentation of the film festival far more complete, engaging, and historically relevant, and allow Wikipedia editors to easily refer or link to them as sources. But should one be able to get ahold of these PDFs, the question would then be how to best store/publish them in a historically lasting way.

And when googling the subject of inclusion of PDFs on Wikipedia (through Wikisource) it seems that, unlike images, PDFs appear to be considered a fringe use case reserved mostly for special circumstances. And while some might argue that this particular use case is culturally important or vital, others might then argue that PDFs of music record covers or even things like toy packaging are just as culturally important, and then where do you draw the line to avoid filling the Wikipedia sites with just about any kind of PDFs? So I see why lines need to be drawn, for practical reasons, and that the storing the types of PDFs discussed here may not be allowed.

But if Wikipedia/Wikisource isn't the recommended storage place for preservation/documentation of PDFs such as these (and I'm not saying it isn't, just that the information I found appears to suggest it might not be), because Wikipedia is intended mainly for summaries (and commentary) on the information in things published/stored/preserved elsewhere, then the question is what the Wikipedia community would recommend as a suitable solution for the storage of the actual source PDFs mentioned here (historical preservation style – something that would be likely to outlast the film festival itself), so that Wikipedia editors may then refer/link to the PDFs as sources of information published on Wikipedia.

I'm guessing similar discussions have arisen in the past, and if Wikipedia/Wikisource isn't the right match for a use case like this, then what alternative(s) would the community recommend for preserving the sources (if we are even be able to get ahold of them for preservation purposes)?

Thank you! 2.248.99.112 (talk) 11:52, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, these catalogs would be used as sources at most (and somewhat sparingly, because they are primary sources), or linked to in external links. One issue with hosting these files in any Wikimedia project is that they would need to be released under a free license, which may be next to impossible to achieve as a practical matter because they often (at least in the examples I've seen) incorporate screenshots from many films each of which have different copyright holders and may also incorporate advertisements with yet different copyright holders. I don't expect that sufficient permissions could be secured for us to host these in all but the most exceptional cases. You could look at the Internet Archive for hosting instead which may take a more liberal view. Or make your own website with whatever hosting solution you prefer? Calliopejen1 (talk) 12:58, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Search

Can the search function be improved? I looked for "Chingiz Autmatov" (spelled Aytmatov in Britannica and Aitmatov on Wikipedia) in Wikipedia. The response that there was nothing. When I entered the term in Duckduckgo (a search engine), the FIRST hit was "Chinghiz Aitmatov - Wikipedia." If an external search engine can so readily pull up the closest hit in Wikipedia, why can't Wikipedia? Kdammers (talk) 12:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC) Kdammers (talk) 12:01, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

I started to type the first few letters of Chingiz... into the search box on the top right of this (and all other pages) on WP. By the time I had reached the last letter of Chingiz, the drop-down below that search box offered as suggestions both spellings of the surname, which I could have clicked on to go to the article. So I'm not sure why you thought there was a problem with the WP search box. Michael D. Turnbull (talk) 12:22, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Entering "Chingiz Autmatov" turns up nothing, which is unexpected of a modern search engine. @Kdammers, there is really no reason for Wikipedia's search engine to be this bad apart from WMF not having spent resources on improving it. It would be quite easy for them to add a fuzzy or phonetic search. Until then, Googling strings and appending "Wikipedia" is the only workable solution. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:34, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Language question - multiple colors on a flag

Is "quarcolor" (= similar to bicolor, tricolor) a correct word for a flag with four different colors? Koreanovsky (talk) 12:20, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

@Koreanovsky: The equivalent word is quadricolor for four colors. I don't know how often it's used for flags specifically, though i see some hits in google so the answer is certainly more than never. Calliopejen1 (talk) 12:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft: Prit Kamani

Hello sir i need to know how to put draft for submission i want to add Draft: Prit Kamani for submission. Wpedia User (talk) 13:45, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

 Done I have added it for you. Theroadislong (talk) 14:11, 26 September 2020 (UTC)