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*[[Brick Store (Bath, New Hampshire)]] is listed on Main Street. It is actually on Lisbon Road, which is the main street of the town, at the intersection of West Bath Road. For evidence, go to the cited location in Google Street view -- the building is hard to miss.. . . . <strong>Jim</strong> . . . . [[User:Jameslwoodward|Jameslwoodward]] ([[User talk:Jameslwoodward|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jameslwoodward|contribs]]) 15:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
*[[Brick Store (Bath, New Hampshire)]] is listed on Main Street. It is actually on Lisbon Road, which is the main street of the town, at the intersection of West Bath Road. For evidence, go to the cited location in Google Street view -- the building is hard to miss.. . . . <strong>Jim</strong> . . . . [[User:Jameslwoodward|Jameslwoodward]] ([[User talk:Jameslwoodward|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jameslwoodward|contribs]]) 15:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

*[[Tuftonboro United Methodist Church]], is listed in NRIS as having address: N side of NH 171, E of jct. with Durgan Rd., [[Tuftonboro, New Hampshire]]. The correct spelling is Durgin Rd., not Durgan Rd. Noted by editor Ken Gallager in correcting the address in the wikipedia article. It was not an error in NRIS data entry; the NRHP nomination document http://pdfhost.focus.nps.gov/docs/NRHP/Text/97000505.pdf here] shows the incorrect spelling. Correct to: "Durgin" from incorrect "Durgan". --[[User:doncram|<font color="maroon">do</font>]][[User talk:Doncram|<font color="green">ncr</font>]][[Special:Contributions/doncram|<font color="maroon">am</font>]] 14:29, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


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See also wp:NHL info issues
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NRIS information issues include possible errors in the National Register Information System (NRIS) database. This is a working page to detail information system glitches, factual inconsistencies, and potential factual errors in official information regarding properties and districts listed on the National Register of Historic Places of the United States. It is hoped that this recording may facilitate discussion, correspondence with the National Register, and corrections.

Please do not include here what appear to be errors at nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com — that site contains many errors, especially in its consistently yielding area figures for historic districts that are ten times the actual size. This is the result of that website misinterpreting the data from the NRIS.

Types of issues

Demolished properties apparently still listed

In many cases a building remains listed on the National Register even though the building was completely demolished. There may be a few cases where the National Register gives a street address where there is no building, while in fact the building still exists. It could be the wrong address, or in rare cases the historic building may have been moved to a different location, as happened for one case in Pasadena, California. doncram (talk) 20:30, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Misc and unsorted towns issues

Actually, let's detail those, please. Detailing in progress.... doncram (talk) 20:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure how to further research and/or submit this one. doncram (talk) 20:48, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates corrections

NOTE: COORDINATES CORRECTIONS probably are not worth noting here. See discussion at #Connecticut: coordinates

Correspondence with the National Register

  • The National Register has previously corrected NRIS or related webpages in response to error reports on other occasions. For example, an incorrect URL in the current Weekly Listings National Register's "Weekly Featured Listing" , at http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/nrlist.htm, was fixed today, on Wednesday September 3. Or at least it was fixed, and I received an email reporting it today. This was in response to a report I sent in during the weekend (and Monday was a holiday too). doncram (talk) 18:02, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, the National Park Service has corrected other information, such as an incorrect address for a building in Syracuse, apparently reported after a photo of the building at that address was posted in wikipedia. And it addressed a mis-identification of the wrong building in New York City (Florence Mills House) as a National Historic Landmark, by de-designating the building and removing it from the National Register on January 16, 2009.
The NR_RT reports has reviewed those 20, has submitted fixes to be input into NRIS for 19 of them. I note which those are, below. While the changes will be input into NRIS shortly, the NRIS database is only republished a few times per year, so it is not yet known when the fixes will be apparent on-line. They prefer to get error reports batched by state, to facilitate checking with the state in cases needing that. I'll submit more batches by state. doncram (talk) 00:03, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've now submitted six batches
  • batch01: 20 name issues
  • batch02: 45 coordinates issues
  • batch03: 73 name issues
  • batch04: 29 town issues
  • batch05: 19 county issues
  • batch06: 26 street address issues
I think that totals to 214 items reported. doncram (talk) 21:42, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update, April 27, 2009: The National Register has verified 66 corrections needed, based on our reports, and is implementing those. Further corrections being researched. Their internal Word document covering the 66 is in tabular format, with column headings "State", "RefNo", "Property name", "Typo", "Correction", and another column for their use. It would probably be most helpful if we presented new batches in that tabular format. doncram (talk) 19:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update: on September 3, I received an update that they are addressing batch04 now, and hope to do another batch before the end of this month. It is slow going, but I believe they appreciate our efforts to identify corrections and will eventually respond to all that we submit. doncram (talk) 00:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Batch07 to address issues accumulated for state of Ohio alone, of all types of issues noted for NRHP listings in the state. See wp:NRIS info issues OH, the split-out Ohio-only issues subpage. doncram (talk) 16:10, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Reports organized by state

Alabama

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Alabama

Alaska

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Alaska: property names

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These must be the following 9 sites. doncram (talk) 02:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Alaska: street address issues

Alaska: demolished but still listed

  • Rose Building (Fairbanks, Alaska), NRHP-listed in 1992, reported by editor RadioKAOS to have been demolished, and that the address no longer exists even due to moving of another road. Source cited about the demolition: "Historic Rose building disappears from corner" was published in the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner on September 13, 1998 on page B1. --doncram 22:03, 3 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Arizona

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Arizona

Arkansas

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Arkansas

California

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/California

Colorado

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Colorado

Connecticut

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Connecticut

Delaware

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Delaware: property names

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  • "Liston Ranger Rear Light Station" includes a typo. "Ranger" is a typo, should be "Range" instead. Note the similarly named NRHP-listed "Liston Range Front Lighthouse" has the word correctly spelled. See Liston Range Rear Light and Liston Range Front Light wikipedia articles. --doncram 19:58, 8 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delaware: address issues

Delaware: county location issues

  • Mount Pleasant (Smyrna) and Savin-Wilson House are listed in the NRIS database as in New Castle County. Based on the location descriptions and the geocode coords, both are in Kent County. --sanfranman59 (talk) 05:08, 13 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delaware: architect, builder, engineer issues

Albert Ely Ives and "DeArmond, Asmead and Bickley". The latter is correctly named DeArmond, Ashmead and Bickley, with correct "Ashmead" rather than "Asmead". The NRIS entry is based on typo in the NRHP nomination document (http://pdfhost.focus.nps.gov/docs/NRHP/Text/98001098.pdf) that gives incorrect spelling in one place but gives correct spelling elsewhere. Correct spelling confirmed by sources of the wikipedia article on the architectural firm. --doncram 03:52, 5 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Florida

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Florida: county names

Entries with "Dade" as county name, are now in "Miami-Dade" county. So a county name code needs to be changed.

Florida: property names

Florida: demolished but still listed

Florida: address issues

  • Rosemere Historic District in Orlando is listed as being "Roughly by E. Harvard St., N. Orange Ave., Cornell Ave. & E. Vanderbilt St." — need to add "bounded" after "Roughly". Nyttend (talk) 22:46, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • North Shore Historic District in Miami Beach is listed as being "Roughly by 87th St., Collins Ave., 73rd., and Hawthorne Ave." — need to add "bounded" after "Roughly". Nyttend (talk) 22:46, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Normandy Isles Historic District in Miami Beach is listed as being "Roughly by Normandy Shores Golf Course, Indian Creek, Biscayne Bay, Rue Versailles, 71st., Rue Notre Dame" — need to add "bounded" after "Roughly". Nyttend (talk) 22:46, 3 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Dr. Price House in Live Oak; The address is listed as being at 702 Pine Avenue, but the given coordinates mark it as being at 710-712 Park Street. ----DanTD 15:12, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Georgia

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Georgia

Hawaii

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Hawaii

Idaho

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Idaho: property names

Idaho: county location issues

  • McCall District Administrative Site is listed in the NRIS database as in Payette County. McCall and the location described in the listing are in Valley County. --sanfranman59 (talk) 07:16, 18 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Idaho: architect, builder, engineer issues

  1. Cold Springs Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over the Big Wood R. 0.5 mi. S of jct. of US 93 abd ID 367 Ketchum, ID Pregram. George H.
  2. Conant Creek Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over the Conant Creek. 1 mi. S of jct. of Squirrel Rd. and Old Ashton-Victor RR spur tracks Grainville, ID Pregram. George H.
  3. Gimlet Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over the Big Wood R. 0.5 mi. S of jct. of US 93 and E. Fork Wood River Rd. Ketchum, ID Pregram. George H.
  4. Grace Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over the Bear R. 0.5 mi. NNW of jct. of ID 34 and Turner Rd. Grace, ID Pregram. George H.
  5. Ririe A Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over the Snake R. 1 mi. NNE of jct. of Heise Rd. and East Belt Branch RR tracks Ririe, ID Pregram. George H.
  6. Ririe B Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over the Snake R. flood channel, 0.5 mi. NNE of jct. of Heise Rd. and East Belt Branch RR tracks Ririe, ID Pregram. George H.
  7. St. Anthony Pegram Truss Railroad Bridge, Over Henry's Fork. 0.5 mi. S of jct. of S. Parker Rd. and West Belt Branch RR tracks St. Anthony, ID Pregram. George H.

Illinois

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Illinois: property names

Illinois: demolished but still listed

  • "The Stephenson County Courthouse that was listed on the NRHP isn't standing any longer, in fact it was replaced decades ago. The Register just missed it, Illinois' IHPA, the state preservation office, does not list it in its NRHP properties for Stephenson County....I can provide links above if needed but the photographic evidence compiled at Category:Soldiers' Monument (Freeport, Illinois) shows the location of the old courthouse and illustrates that it is no longer there. The current courthouse was built in the mid-1970s and per NRHP rules would be ineligible for listing, so there's no chance that is the building the NPS listing is referring to. The old courthouse was quite beautiful, I have seen photos, but it is, alas, gone forever." --Noted by IvoShandor at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Stephenson County, Illinois (exerpt of IvoShandor's comments copied here by doncram)
  • Chris Jensen Round Barn: "In addition, I am almost 100% positive the Chris Jensen Round Barn is no longer standing. If it is it is NOT at the location the NRHP lists. I used the location map included with the nomination materials in my search for it. I found every single other listed round barn in Stephenson County but could not find the Jensen Round Barn. There's a chance it's overgrown, or part of it is standing in its location. If anyone has any information to confirm my first-hand (original) research please note it here. For now I am going to leave it listed. The IHPA informed me that they are trying to alleviate some of the problems in the HAARGIS database which lists on the NRHP properties with links to their nomination materials, so maybe when those changes go online the updated list will reflect its loss. If it was delisted, the NPS would have documentation of that somewhere.--IvoShandor (talk) 07:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)" --Noted by IvoShandor at Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Stephenson County, Illinois (exerpt of IvoShandor's comments copied here by doncram)[reply]
  • Jewel Tea Company Building in Barrington, Lake County was torn down in Feb. 2005 according to a local newspaper article online (actually it said the entire facade was torn down, and that demolition continues, despite last minute efforts...) I visited the site today and will get photos of the empty lot. Smallbones (talk) 20:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Illinois: address issues

  • In Lake County, Lloyd Lewis House was shown in the Wikipedia NRHP list for Lake County (and therefore presumably is listed by NRIS) at "153 Little Street Mary". The correct street name (shown on Google Maps, among other sources) is "Little St. Mary's Road". "St." does not always equal "Street" in an address. I changed it. Jameslwoodward (talk) 11:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Bell Miller Apartments, 835 S. Second St., Springfield, IL. Springfield is spelled "Spingfield" in NRIS database. --sanfranman59 (talk) 06:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Illinois: county location issues

  • Stone Arch Bridge, Danville, Illinois is listed in the NRIS as in Jersey County. It's in Vermilion County.[1] --sanfranman59 (talk) 21:52, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Illinois: architect, builder, engineer issues

Indiana

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Indiana

Iowa

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Iowa

Kansas

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Kansas: property names

  • The NRIS lists a "State Steet Bridge" in Erie, Kansas, acknowledging that it's on "State St. over Neosho River tributary" — plainly a simple typo for "State Street Bridge". Nyttend (talk) 04:54, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
submitted in batch01:15, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
submitted in batch01:16, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Kansas: town location issue

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Kansas: street address

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  • Cato District No. 4 School in rural Crawford County, Kansas is listed at 720th Avenue and 200th Street in Cato: these two roads don't meet. Check Google Maps to follow Highway 69 north from Pittsburg until it meets 720th, and you'll see that 720th Avenue doesn't exist between 180th and 210th Streets. On the other hand, the same address appears at this Kansas State Historical Society page, which includes a picture and a short description of the school. I wonder if it's perhaps shown on the Mapquest aerial photo map: go to this Mapquest page, scroll southward along 200th a couple of miles after it bends eastward and then southward again; the site I'm wondering about is the buildings just south of point where it turns directly southward again, where you can see a few buildings on both sides of the road (almost where the two roads would meet if they continued). Elkman doesn't list the school in the county table generator, while plugging the ID number (06000771) into the infobox generator gives no coords, and the resulting page says "Note: This property may not actually be listed on the National Register - listing code is DR". The Wisconsin Historical Society has a copy of the 8 September 2006 listings here, which includes the school, but the official listings page doesn't have it. I'm rather confused; hopefully this explains the situation well. Nyttend (talk) 00:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lipp Barn, 17054 130th Ave., Collyer, KS: Address in the NRIS is 17054 103rd Ave. Per the NRHP Registration Form, it should be 130th Ave. --sanfranman59 (talk) 03:17, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Downtown Wellington Historic District, Roughly bounded by 10th St., 4th St., Jefferson Ave., and the alley behind the Washington Ave. facing buildings, Wellington, KS: Northern boundary in NRIS is 19th St. Per the NRHP Registration Form, it should be 10th St. --sanfranman59 (talk) 06:44, 9 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kansas: existing property, once listed, but no longer appearing in NRIS

Kentucky

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Kentucky: property names

submitted in batch01:18. NRHP_RT reports that apparently the length of the property name is more than the NRIS system handles properly, so this may not be fixed, 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • The full name of the racetrack Keeneland is not "Keeeneland--Keeneland Racetrack". From looking at the nom form[3], it appears the form was filled out incorrectly by putting the "common" name on the same line as the "historic" name. ​​​​​​​​Niagara ​​Don't give up the ship 00:12, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kentucky: community name issues

Kentucky: county location issue

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Kentucky: location issues

  • Louisville Municipal Bridge, Pylons and Administration Building, Spans Ohio River between Louisville, KY and Jeffersonville, IN: Listed in the NRIS database as in Louisville, KY (Jefferson County) and Clark County, KY. It should be Clark County, IN which is on the other side of the Ohio River from Louisville. Clark County, KY is about 100 miles to the east. --sanfranman59 (talk) 03:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Central Kentucky Blue Grass Seed Co., at 321 Henry St., Lexington, Kentucky, was listed August 03, 2005 and has refnum = 0500079. It doesn't appear in Elkman's county-list-table generator for Fayette County, KY. Since it is in Lexington, which is in (and the same as) Fayette County, it seems the NRIS county identifier for it must be off. Don't know what it indicates. The Elkman NRHP infobox output does not include county. doncram (talk) 21:04, 25 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kentucky: address issues

  • Erlanger Proper Subdivision Historic District is listed as being "Roughly bounded by by Hulbert, Division, Crescent, Dixie, and Graves." Correct the "by by" error, and remove the unnecessary period from the end of the description. Nyttend (talk) 22:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jewish Hospital Complex is listed at 236 E. Kennedy St., but there is no E. Kennedy St. in Louisville. The geocode coordinates in the NRIS database correspond to 236 E. Kentucky St. --sanfranman59 (talk) 20:54, 7 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Louisiana

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Louisiana

Maine

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Maine

Maryland

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Maryland: property names

Maryland: demolished but still listed

Maryland: county location issue

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Maryland: town location issues

Massachusetts

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Massachusetts

Michigan

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Michigan

Minnesota

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Minnesota

Mississippi

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Mississippi

Missouri

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Missouri

Montana

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Montana: property names

Montana: town location issue

Nebraska

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Nebraska: demolished but still listed

Nebraska: property names

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  • For the Miller Hotel in Brown County, Nebraska, the list of other names includes "Luerhs Rooming House". This should almost certainly be "Luehrs": see photo. A Google search suggests that the name "Luehrs" occurs in the Long Pine, Nebraska area; "Luerhs" apparently does not.

Nebraska: address issues

Nebraska: architects, builders, engineers issues

Nebraska: dates

  • The date of construction for Webster County Courthouse (Nebraska) is given as 1883. The nominating form lists two significant dates: 1914, the year of construction of the courthouse itself; and 1887, the year of construction of the jail and jailer's residence. The latter date on the nominating form, which I obtained from the Nebraska State Historical Society, was apparently typed with a different typewriter; it's possible that the form as originally submitted to the NHS bore the mistaken date 1883, which was subsequently whited out and corrected. Ammodramus (talk) 14:50, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nebraska: existing property, once listed, but no longer appearing in NRIS

Nevada

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Nevada: property names

submitted in batch01:19, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Hampshire

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New Hampshire town issues

New Hampshire address Issues

  • Brick Store (Bath, New Hampshire) is listed on Main Street. It is actually on Lisbon Road, which is the main street of the town, at the intersection of West Bath Road. For evidence, go to the cited location in Google Street view -- the building is hard to miss.. . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 15:00, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Jersey

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Farmer's Hall in Mount Laurel Township

Farmer's Hall is incorrectly listed as being located in Moorestown Township. At the time Farmer's Hall was added to NRIS, Mount Laurel did not have it's own post office and got all it's mail through Moorestown. However, Farmer's Hall is actually located in Mount Laurel Township, at the foot of Mount Laurel Mountain and across the street from Evesham Friends Meeting House.

Property name issues

New Jersey/New York state location issue

This may not be any error. But, the NRIS / Elkman system indicates both:

Is one of these an error?

There's some kind of error here. According to the USGS GNIS database, there is no Waldwick, NY. Both listings are coded as "listed" in the raw NPS NRIS database and they have different reference numbers. But both have the same address and are identified as being part of the "Stone Houses of Bergen County TR" multiple listing (Waldwick, NJ is in Bergen County). Perhaps there's an Albert Smith House listed on the NRHP somewhere in New York, but it seems doubtful since the New York Historic Preservation Office doesn't seem to have a record of it. --sanfranman59 (talk) 03:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think someone got confused between Waldwick and Warwick, New York. Daniel Case (talk) 16:14, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

architects

  • East Orange Station, 65 City Hall Plaza, East Orange, N.J., is listed as having architect (Nies,F.W.), which appears possibly to be a typo for Frank J. Nies. There are numerous NRHP listings for F.J. Nies or other variations. --doncram 20:44, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Town location issues

  • Risley School was listed 5/4/2011 as in Ester Manor City, NJ. It should be Estell Manor, NJ (the USGS GNIS database lists the place name as Estell Manor, not Estell Manor City). --sanfranman59 (talk) 00:07, 20 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

New Mexico

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New Mexico: demolished but still listed

New Mexico: property name issues

New Mexico: town location issues

New Mexico: location issues

New York

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/New York

North Carolina

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/North Carolina

North Dakota

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North Dakota: demolished but still listed

North Dakota: property names

  • The Knerr Block, Floyd Block, McHench Building and Webster and Coe Building is incorrectly listed in NRIS with "Coe" spelt incorrectly as "Cole", per the NRHP nom: Norene A. Roberts (February 12, 1983). "NRHP Inventory-Nomination: Knerr Block, Floyd Block, McHench Building and Webster and Coe Building" (PDF). National Park Service. and Accompanying six photos, exterior and interior, from 1982

North Dakota: architect names

North Dakota: other

Ohio

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Ohio

Oklahoma

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Oklahoma: property names

Oklahoma: town issues

  • Hotel Aldridge (Wewoka, Oklahoma) is located in Wewoka, Oklahoma, not "Wenoka". Also it is located at "Third and S. Wewoka Streets", not "Third and Wenoka Sts." The NRIS-provided coordinates show the location within Wewoka, Oklahoma; there is no Wenoka and there is no Wenoka St. --doncram (talk) 20:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oklahoma: address issues

Oregon

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Oregon

Pennsylvania

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Pennsylvania

Puerto Rico

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Puerto Rico: omissions and exclusions

Puerto Rico: names issues

Further, the "de" rather than "di" spelling is used in "Properties of Puerto Rico included in the National Register" from the office of the Governor of Puerto Rico. (Thanks User:Jmundo!) doncram (talk) 08:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
"Properties of Puerto Rico included in the National Register" shows "de" rather than "di" here, too. doncram (talk) 08:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Panteon Otero-Martinez is listed in NRIS as "Pauteon Otero-Martinez", while the correct word is Panteon. Typo: Pauteon; Correction: Panteon, in name of property. The more fully correct spelling, shown in "Properties of Puerto Rico included in the National Register", is "Panteón" (the Spanish word for mausoleum), but i understand the NRIS system would not accommodate the accent on the O. Issue noted by User:Jmundo. doncram (talk) 08:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • McCabe Memorial Chapel is listed in NRIS as "Mc Cabe Memorial Church". It is located per NRIS at 835 Eugenio Maria de Hostos Ave. in San Juan, Puerto Rico, was listed April 11, 2008, has refnum=08000283. It appears that "Mc Cabe" is a typo for "McCabe"; it certainly makes it hard to look up in a database. doncram (talk) 00:43, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Puerto Rico: town issues

Puerto Rico: other issues

  • Gomez Residencia (Mayaguez, Puerto Rico), listed June 15, 1988, refnum=88000656, located at Mendez Vigo No. 60, Mayaguez, Puerto Rico, is described in NRIS as having architecture that is "Mission/Spanish Revival, Neo-Andalsusi". That last word must be Andalusi instead. Typo:Neo-Andalsusi; Correction: Neo-Andalusi; in architecture field. doncram (talk) 07:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Arenas Bridge. It is stated by the National Park Service in a travel itinerary webpage that the bridge is still in use, at the bottom, here. However, Matthiasb points out this sat-image at Google indicates a newer bridge on the east for the modern traffic. Hmm, yes, that image is pretty convincing. Looks like cars are parked in the approach to the historic bridge, too. Thanks Matthiasb. doncram (talk) 18:06, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rhode Island

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Rhode Island: demolished but still listed

Rhode Island: error in name

Rhode Island: address issues

  • Peace Dale Historic District is listed as roughly bounded by by Kensey Rd., Oakwoods Dr., Kingstown Rd., School, Church and Railroad Sts. According to googlemaps, there is no Kensey Rd. in Peace Dale, but there is a Kersey Rd. Typo: Kensey Correction: Kersey Lvklock (talk) 20:45, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rhode Island: county location issues

  • William Whalley House, 33 Burchard Ave., Little Compton, is listed in the NRIS database as in Bristol County. Little Compton and this address are in Newport County. --sanfranman59 (talk) 06:45, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

South Carolina

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South Carolina: property names

  • Chester Historic District (Boundary Increase) is listed as being "Roughly bounded by Hemphill Ave., Brawley, Saluda, and FooteSts. and along Reedy St." — need to add a space in the middle of "FooteSts." to convert it to "Foote Sts." Nyttend (talk) 15:49, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • The alternate name for the Reedy River Falls Historic Park and Greenway (Boundary Increase) is given as "See A1so:Reedy River Falls Historic Park and Greenway" — "Also" is spelled with the numeral "1", rather than the letter "L". Nyttend (talk) 15:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

South Carolina: county location issues

South Carolina: town location issue

  • St. Stephen's Episcopal Church (St. Stephen, South Carolina), listed in NRIS as being in St. Stephens, while it is in St. Stephen. doncram (talk) 08:45, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Landsford Plantation House in Chester County is listed in "Landsford Township", but the GNIS lists no such place; this is to be expected, as South Carolina has no townships. Nyttend (talk) 17:57, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • South Carolina has used the term "township." In 1731, they set up eleven townships to encourage to the settling of inland areas by European settlers. Eventually thirteen townships were established. Many were predominately German, Welsh, French, or Irish/Scots-Irish. For example, Orangeburg township was largely German and is the genesis of Orangeburg, South Carolina (Edgar, Walter, ed., South Carolina Encyclopedia, p. 973, 2006).
    • Later, some/all (?) counties were laid out in townships. See Acts of the General Assembly of South-Carolina, 1886, p. 702 for a reference to Landsford Township. The present day governmental significance of these is obscure at best. Landsford Township probably was in the northeast corner of the Chester County. There is a Landsford Precinct for voting - Chester County voting precincts. KudzuVine (talk) 01:02, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

South Carolina: other issues

**SOUTH CAROLINA, CALHOUN COUNTY, **Lindsay Cemetery, **Lindsay Cemetery Rd., **Due West vicinity, 09000364, **LISTED, 5/27/09

It has already been added to National Register of Historic Places listings in Calhoun County, South Carolina. Unfortunately, it's in Abbeville County, South Carolina, not Calhoun. They're not even close to each other. See Abbeville County Cemetery Project]. Also Google Lindsay Cemetery Rd, Due West, SC, produces this See also this article on Jimmy Carter visiting Due West to see his Carter ancestor's graves in Lindsay Cemetery. clariosophic (talk) 08:38, 7 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have moved it from the Calhoun table to the Abbeville table. clariosophic (talk) 21:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The original listing of the Charleston Historic District (refnum 66000964) is given as having an area of 0 acres. Nyttend (talk) 16:08, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

South Dakota

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South Dakota: property names

  • One among three more church properties nationwide mispelled with "Epicopal" in the name, where it should be as "Episcopal":
  1. St. Mary's Epicopal Church (Flandreau, South Dakota)

doncram (talk) 13:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

submitted in batch01:5-7, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

South Dakota: town location issues

South Dakota: street address issues

  • Brookings Commercial Historic District in Brookings is listed "Roughly along Main Ave.between the C&NW Railraod and the alley N. Fifth St.": add space after "Ave.", correct to "Railroad", and improve final wording — is it the alley north of Fifth Street? An alley near North Fifth Street? Nyttend (talk) 02:41, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Holy Trinity Church in Brule County is listed as being "0ff I-90" — change the zero to an "O", from "0ff" to "Off". Nyttend (talk) 03:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Security State Bank in Willow Lake is listed along "Garfeild St": correct to "Garfield". Nyttend (talk) 13:37, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

South Dakota: omissions and exclusions

The Weekly listing at http://www.nps.gov/history/nr/listings/20090306.HTM includes: 

SOUTH DAKOTA, CUSTER COUNTY,
Hermosa Masonic Lodge,
W. side of 2nd St., between Folsom St. and Hwy 40,
Hermosa,  09000043,
LISTED, 2/17/09

Hmm, perhaps the March publication date means it was not included in latest available download. Others in same batch do not appear either.

South Dakota: architects, builders, engineers issues

There seems to be complete confusion about prominent Sioux Falls architect Joseph Schwarz or Joseph Schwartz (architect), currently the same wikipedia article.

NRIS gives:

Joseph Schwartz
  1. Carnegie Free Public Library, built 1903, 235 W. 10th St., Sioux Falls, SD (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  2. First Methodist Church, 302 S. Carroll St., Rock Rapids, IA (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  3. Holy Rosary Church, Minnesota Ave., Kranzburg, SD (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  4. Immaculate Conception Catholic Church and Rectory, 102 and 108 E 9th St., St. Helena, NE (Schwartz, Josef), NRHP-listed
  5. Lyon County Courthouse, 3rd and Story Sts., Rock Rapids, IA (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  6. Pipestone Public Library, 3rd St., SE and S. Hiawatha Ave., Pipestone, MN (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  7. Saints Peter and Paul Catholic Church Complex, 106 W. 889th Rd., Bow Valley, NE (Schwartz, Josef), NRHP-listed
  8. St. Mary's Church, School and Convent, U.S. 212, Zell, SD (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  9. Washington High School, 315 S. Main, Sioux Falls, SD (Schwartz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
Joseph Schwarz
  1. One or more works in Augustana College Historic Buildings, 29th and S. Summit Sts., Sioux Falls, SD (Schwarz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  2. Carpenter Hotel, 221 S. Phillips Ave., Sioux Falls, SD (Schwarz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  3. Central Fire Station, 100 S. Minnesota Ave., Sioux Falls, SD (Schwarz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  4. First Congregational Church, 303 S. Dakota Ave., Sioux Falls, SD (Schwarz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  5. Jorden Hall, 1101 W. 22nd St., Sioux Falls, SD (Schwarz, Joseph), NRHP-listed
  6. Madison Masonic Temple, 229 N. Egan Ave., Madison, SD (Schwarz,Joseph,Sr.), NRHP-listed
  7. Moody County Courthouse, Pipestone Ave. between Crescent and Wind Sts., Flandreau, SD (Schwarz,Joseph), NRHP-listed
  8. Vermillion-Andrew Carnegie Library, 12 Church St., Vermillion, SD (Schwarz,Joseph), NRHP-listed

I currently think the correct spelling is Schwarz. --doncram 01:21, 29 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tennessee

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Tennessee

Texas

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Texas: demolished but still listed

Texas: property names

Texas: town names

Texas: street address issues

  • Washington Avenue Bridge (Waco, Texas), street address. For this entry the location is given as "Washington and wlm Aves. across Brazos River,"; it should be "Washington and Elm Aves". Typo: "wlm"; correction "Elm". On Google maps, the street to the west is Washington Avenue, then the bridge crosses a river, then street on east is Elm Avenue. See also town name correction for this item above. --doncram (talk) 21:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hotel McCartney in Texarkana, TX, is listed at "State Line Rd." It's actually at the corner of Front and Main Streets. Street number unknown. 25or6to4 (talk) 05:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fort Anahuac in Anahuac, TX, is listed at "TX 564". That numbering was removed from that road 15 years before the site was listed on the NRHP! Best address I could get was corner of Main St. and Chambers. 25or6to4 (talk) 22:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ysleta Mission in El Paso, TX, is listed at "U.S. 80 near jct. with Zaragosa Rd." US 80 no longer goes through El Paso (removed in 1991). The highway is now Texas State Highway 20.
  • Miller Manufacturing Company Building (designated 10/28/10) listed at 311 Bruan Ave., should be 311 Bryan Ave. 25or6to4 (talk) 05:25, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Texas: architect, builder, engineer issues

Six NRIS listings identify "Mills, Bailey" as an architect, builder or engineer, making it sound like there is an individual of this name. In fact it is a firm, Bailey Mills, formerly "Bailey Brothers Planing Mill". It can accurately be presented as "Bailey Mills" but "Mills, Bailey" is not correct. This applies to NRIS listings for:

The correct name is presented in the Victoria Texas MRA document at http://pdfhost.focus.nps.gov/docs/NRHP/Text/64000855.pdf. --doncram 17:18, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Utah

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Utah

Vermont

Main page: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Register of Historic Places/NRIS information issues/Vermont

Virginia

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Virginia: property names

  • Sessions-Pope-Sheild House in Yorktown, Virginia should be Sessions-Pope-Shield House --sanfranman59 (talk) 00:13, 17 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • There are two sites listed in the NRIS as in "South Boston (independent city), Virginia": Reedy Creek Site and South Boston Historic District. As of 1995, South Boston's official designation changed from independent city to town. It is now part of Halifax County and has no independent government. --sanfranman59 (talk) 02:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Another typo: Rockinghan County Courthouse in Harrisonburg, Virginia should be Rockingham County Courthouse. --sanfranman59 (talk) 04:25, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Tazewell Historic District: Tazewell is spelled Tazewill in NRIS --sanfranman59 (talk) 02:21, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Loretto in Wytheville, Virginia: Wytheville is misspelled as Whytheville in NRIS. --sanfranman59 (talk) 21:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fairmount Historic District in Richmond: Fairmount is spelled Fairmont in NRIS (see nom form for correct spelling). --sanfranman59 (talk) 21:43, 18 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Virginia: county location issue

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Virginia: town location issues

  • Emmanuel Church at Brook Hill, listed February 3, 2000, located at 1214 Wilmer Ave., in Henrico County, Virginia, is given town location in NRIS of "Henrico". That seems to be incorrectly referring to "Henrico Town", also known as Henricus, Virginia. The NRHP document for the Emmanuel Church only states that it is in Henrico County and does not state a town/village location. It may be in fact in the city of Richmond. Henrico as town location seems incorrect however. Typo: Henrico. Correction: Richmond, or Henrico County. --doncram (talk) 15:42, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Virginia: street address issues

  • The address for Brooklyn Tobacco Factory in Brooklyn, Virginia in the NRIS is "VA 650 N side, 0.25 mi. E of jct. with VA 820". It should be "VA 659 N side, 0.25 mi. E of jct. with VA 820" (see NRHP Registration Form on the Virginia Department of Historic Resources website). --sanfranman59 (talk) 02:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Washington (state)

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Washington: property names

  • Proper name for what is now at Falls City Masonic Hall is under discussion at Talk:Falls City Masonic Hall#article name. SarekOfVulcan identified the likely error, that NRIS "Falls City" in name should be "Fall City" with no S instead, and has provided supporting sources there. I've asked photographer editor Jmabel, who provided statement regarding name discrepancy in photo description, to comment there. --doncram (talk) 21:19, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Per the discussion linked above, no error -- "Falls City" was the name of the lodge that met in "Fall City", thanks to a typo at Grand Lodge.--SarekOfVulcan (talk) 21:08, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Washington: demolished but still listed

Washington: town location issue

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Washington, D.C.

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Washington, D.C.: omission

The United States Supreme Court Building is designated a National Historic Landmark with name "Supreme Court Building". At NHL webpage for it], refnum 87001294 is reported. However, it does not appear in the NRIS database at all, based on searching in the Elkman system both by name and by reference number. doncram (talk) 17:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Washington, D.C.: demolished but still listed

I went to take a picture of the Duncanson-Cranch House, located at 468-470 N St., NW, and found only a parking lot in that location. Jeffrey Beall 23:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

Washington, D.C.: architects etc

West Virginia

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West Virginia: street address issues

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West Virginia: town issues

West Virginia: County location issues

  • McClung's Price Place, Lewisburg, WV is in Greenbrier County, not Kanawha County. --sanfranman59 (talk) 16:11, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

West Virginia: architects and other issues

  • St. Albans Post Office, St. Albans, West Virginia: NRIS has an architect-builder-engineer identified as "Neil A. Melick" when the correct spelling is Neal A. Melick, a Federal government employee who is credited, spelled correctly, in many other U.S. Post Office listings on the National Register. --doncram 17:30, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wisconsin

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Wisconsin: property names

  • Mequon Town Hall and Fire Station Complex, at 11333 N. Cedarburg Rd., Mequon, Wisconsin, listed July 18, 2000, refnum=00000779, is listed in the National Register as "Moquon Town Hall and Fire Station Complex". Typo: "Moquon"; Correction: "Mequon" in name of the NRHP place. Noted by User:Loopygrumpkins. doncram (talk) 03:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Joseph Schiltz Company Brewery Complex, 219 W. Galena St., Milwaukee, listed 12/30/1999: Typo Schiltz should be Schlitz. --sanfranman59 (talk) 02:34, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Daniel and Caltherine Ketchum Cobblestone House, 147 E. Second St, Marquette, Wisconsin - her name is likely spelled Catherine [6] Royalbroil 05:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Kena Road School" in Marinette County is the wrong name. Based on it's location, it's the Lena Road School. I have a photo to upload. Royalbroil 06:28, 25 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wisconsin: street address issues

Wisconsin: town location issues

  • Holsten Family Farmstead, W1391 Weiner Rd., Columbia, WI, listed September 8, 1992, refnum=92001189: Listed in the NRIS as in Columbia, WI. Per the Wisconsin Historical Society web site, it's in Columbus. [9] The name of the county is Columbia. The town of Columbia, Wisconsin is in Clark County, approximately 130 miles from Columbia County. --sanfranman59 (talk) 02:10, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hiram Smith House, 336 Main St., Neenah, Wisconsin has a new street address, luckily I drove around until I found it at 343 Smith Street in Neenah [10]. It was clearly identified with the brown Register plaque - looks like the streets' routes were changed with a fairly new bridge in the background of some shots. I have to upload 130 pictures yet (of various types), so the images will be uploaded soon. Royalbroil 12:51, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Masonic Temple Building (Viroqua, Wisconsin), is listed in NRIS as being at 116 S. Main St., Viroquoa, Wisconsin, when the town is spelled Viroqua, not Viroquoa. The refnum = 00001469. --doncram (talk) 17:48, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pipe Site is listed as northeast of Fond du Lac. While its address is restricted, they mean it is located in/near the community called Pipe, Wisconsin Royalbroil
  • Joint Brussels and Garner Dristrict School Number One is listed at 8571 State Trunk Highway 57 and there's a typo in the name "Dristrict" means "District". State highway 57 has been redesigned as a 4 lane highway and rerouted south of the property. The coordinates come up on google maps as 1876 Tornado Road which is where I found it when I photographed it yesterday. It's the only school within miles in a rural setting. The building has been issued a sign to mark it for finding during a fire which says 1876 Tornado Road. Royalbroil 02:20, 17 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wisconsin: demolished but still listed

Wyoming

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Wyoming: other

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Other issues: property names

  • In Maine, Coburn, John G. is listed in Elkman and in NRIS's own interface. Presumably this is supposed to be John G. Coburn House or something like that? doncram (talk) 08:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are many more like this, many for places including Sr. or Jr. as part of a person's name for whom the house is named after. doncram (talk) 20:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This is not an NRIS problem. NRIS lists various places with # sign in their names, e.g. "Schoolhouse #6" in Albany County, NY. However, this does not work in Wikipedia article names, one goes to the "Schoolhouse" article. So i have to change it to Schoolhouse No. 6, i believe. doncram (talk) 01:09, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • NRIS? / Elkman lists "Van derzee, Cornelius and Agnietje House" on a Van Derzee street in Albany County, New York. I think there probably should be capitalization of Derzee. Am putting into Albany County list as Cornelius and Agnietje Van Derzee House. doncram (talk) 17:50, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Existing property, once listed, but no longer appearing in NRIS

To check what is listed in NRIS, search NRIS here. However, the NRIS user interface does not provide access to all fields or all contents of NRIS, as evidenced by Elkman finding different content (such as delisting info) in 4/2008 download.
To check what is in Elkman NRHP generator (based on NRIS download as of 4/2008), search Elkman NRHP generator here. However, it seems to be a feature of Elkman NRHP generator not to show delisted entries when search by name, but to show them when search by refnum (which you'd have to know from somewhere else).
I can't find it in NRIS, and searching on "Boston College" in Elkman NRHP generator does not find it, but searching the Elkman generator on refnum 90000109 finds it there. doncram (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can't find it in NRIS directly, and searching on "Masonic" and "MA" in Elkman NRHP generator does not find it, but searching on refnum 86003798 finds it there. doncram (talk) 23:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Elkman's individual NRHP generator, working now, does not show it in searches on "Delaware" etc., but searching on refnum 88002206 finds it there. doncram (talk) 19:31, 2 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Claremont Resort in Oakland, CA. It doesn't come out in the Elkman county table generator for Alameda County, but it was listed in the old-style NRHP list (as Claremont Hotel). It doesn't come up when searching by name with the Elkman infobox generator but it does when searching by reference number (03000427). Searching the NRIS at nps.gov for Claremont in CA returns nothing, but I found it in the new listings dated 5/30/2003. Is there a good way to find out if it's been removed for some reason? It seems to me unlikely that it was newly listed so recently and already removed. --Sanfranman59 (talk) 04:48, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Location issues

There are some location issues introduced by use of the Elkman county-table generator in our "table-izing" of lists such as List of Registered Historic Places in Suffolk County, New York. For Suffolk County, the Montauk Point Lighthouse shows in the Elkman-table as being in East Hampton, because NRIS shows East Hampton as the nearest city (as is shown also in the Elkman individual NRHP infobox for it). The Elkman-table appears to use best-available location info, which in some cases is the "nearest city". I don't think there is any way to improve upon that centrally; it requires local expertise like DanTD in Suffolk provides to put in a more accurate location into the table, for a specific site. DanTD corrected the lighthouse's location to show as Montauk, New York. Montauk's wikipedia article describes it as a hamlet and a Census-designated place now; perhaps it was even less than that when the lighthouse was listed on the NRHP. I think showing East Hampton in the table, although not precisely accurate, is a better start than providing no location info if NRIS gives only a "nearest city" location. doncram (talk) 00:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ships or other objects that have been moved

identified in another U.S. state

  • Blood Run Site is identified in NRIS as located in/near: Sioux Falls, Iowa. I told that Sioux Falls IA does not exist, but that Sioux Falls, South Dakota is close to Blood Run Site. NRIS also shows the site is in/near Shindlar, South Dakota, which is correct. doncram (talk) 02:24, 9 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates issues

UPDATE: NOTE: COORDINATES CORRECTIONS probably are not worth noting here. See discussion at #Connecticut: creoordinates doncram (talk) 06:39, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There may be a number of cases where bad coordinates in the NRIS database provided via Elkman's system (which generates starter county tables and the individual NRHP infoboxes) are given, usually due to bad NRIS info, but also perhaps sometimes due to potential glitches in Elkman's merger of NRIS coordinates with other NRIS info. If there are merger errors, maybe the NRIS coordinates file is lacking sufficient detail to support proper mergers, which would be a different kind of error.

I'm submitting 45 instances of coordinates issues in a batch to the NPS, am noting code numbers for each one submitted. Will report back about corrections made and/or feedback about what is useful for NPS to receive in a report. doncram (talk) 18:52, 6 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

California: coordinates issues

Kansas: coordinates issues

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Kentucky: coordinates issues

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Maryland: coordinates issues

  • Casselman's Bridge, National Road, in Maryland, is placed exactly on the equator in the Pacific Ocean, midway between mainland Ecuador and the Galapagos Islands. Sounds like an impressive bridge! Nyttend (talk) 16:31, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Montana: coordinates issues

New Mexico: coordinates issues

Texas: coordinates issues

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Virginia: coordinates issues

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Washington, D.C.

Washington, D.C.: coordinates issues

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Table issues

The Elkman table-generator sometimes omits rows from tables it generates. Why? For example

Cosman Family Cemetery is actually in Orange County, New York, not Onondaga County, New York. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 16:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, and yes, I was concluding that myself, after putting the coordinates into the Onondaga County list-article and seeing where they pointed to. Have removed from the Onondaga county list-article and confirmed it's covered in Orange County's list-article. And now I can't see why it had appeared the place was in Syracuse or in Onondaga County, and hence why it was included in the Onondaga County list article. Up until earlier today did the NRHP infobox generator show it in Syracuse somehow, but now the underlying data has been changed? I do notice the NRHP.COM system shows it in neither Onondaga County nor Orange County NRHP.COM listings, so I think there is some error within the NRIS data, yet to be corrected there. doncram (talk) 20:20, 14 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Owner objections, and delistings

Or perhaps it is listed, erroneously, by NRIS in a different county (so it could also show up in a different Elkman county list-table)? As may have been the case for Cosman Family Cemetery, discussed just above. doncram (talk) 01:52, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Its listing status is "Determined eligible/Owner objection". In other words, it was nominated, but the owner objected to having it listed on the National Register. I should look into updating the infobox generator to query the listing status. --Elkman (Elkspeak) 02:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That would be great, to get a status and extra fields of info as appropriate, for owner objection cases. Similarly: delisting cases. I also don't understand how Stepshep got the refnum and hence the infobox for Kewpee. Another owner objection one is Charles Scribner's Sons Building in New York City, which is included in New York State's database but not the Elkman county-table generator (correctly), and correspondence shows it was an owner objection. I don't know its NRHP refnum, if it has one, to generate an individual NRHP infobox for it. The template:infobox NRHP2 could be adjusted to accommodate these (to show an eligible date rather than a listed date, etc.). Also, delisted properties' infoboxes could be adjusted to show a delisting date as well as a listing date. Whether the infobox features are programmed into the individual NRHP infobox generator or not, it is crucial to get a report that at least shows this info, for manual adjustment of an infobox. I'll raise the template programming issues over in the Talk page for NRHP2, now. doncram (talk) 14:23, 16 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Owner objecton. I'll have to ask around why that was. Should be interesting for the article. Also, I caoun't find anything about objection iin my limited knowldge search of the NRIS. How did you get to that information? Thanks for the help and some really cool tools. §hep • ¡Talk to me! 22:40, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delistings and NRHP.COM coverage

(copied from wt:NRHP) Is there somewhere that lists or can be searched to find sites that have been delisted (other than looking through each weekly list back to 1996)? I was looking through Waseca County, MN, and noted that on the county's web site [15], they also list 3 sites not in the NRHP listings. When I look at the nationalregisterofhistoricpalces.com site, it does list the 3 sites, complete with listing numbers. Any ideas where I could find more info on these? Ref #s 82005055, 82005054, and 82000564. 25or6to4 (talk) 07:56, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There is a possibility that the properties never were listed to begin with. When a nomination comes into the NPS, it is given its reference number ("refnum") for internal tracking. The nomination can be denied (the paperwork was incomplete, the justification was not strong enough, the boundaries are wrong, etc.) Note even though it was denied, it still it has its "refnum". Somehow NRHP.com picks these up and lists them. One example is Weir Canyon Archaeological District in California - it was nominated, went to the NPS and given a "refnum" and subsequently denied (the boundaries were not justified, and the author did not do enough research into the local Native Americans) yet, it is on NRHP.com! The only way to find out for sure is to contact the NPS and find out (nr_reference(at)nps.gov). Einbierbitte (talk) 16:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

(end copied from wt:NRHP)

There seem to be changes underway in Elkman's generator... searching on 82005055 gives report now noting listing status = DO, whatever that is, for Eaco Mill, in Minnesota. It should be noted that the first data problem here is that NRIS's own access system does not provide any way to get this info. Specifically, searching on Eaco in MN at NRIS, e.g. trying at this NRIS search screen yields nada. Elkman's interfaces already provide more than is possible to get directly from NRIS. doncram (talk) 18:41, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spelling mistakes and other inconsistencies in NRHP database

I've been asked by User:Nyttend to report some minor inconsistencies in the NHRP database I found as part of trying to determine which sites do not, or should not, have public address information.

As far as I can see from parsing PROPMAIN.DBF (which is in the DETAILS.EXE self-extracting zipfile), there are 88412 records in the database, of which 5143 contain either of the words "address" or "restricted" in their address. Most of these use the exact string "Address Restricted". However, 90 entries use some other variation of this message.

The records with address fields which contain the substrings "address" or "restricted", but not using the exact string "Address Restricted", are as follows (leading/trailing spaces have been stripped from strings): 

['REFNUM', 'RESNAME', 'ADDRESS', 'RESTRICT']

['82005042', 'Upper Shawsheen Railroad Bridge', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80004424', 'Redbud Hollow', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80004411', 'Campbellton', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80004421', 'Jones Mill Run Historic District', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80004440', "Union Bryarly's Mill", 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80004431', 'Edgewood', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80003650', 'Kise Mill Bridge Historic District', 'Address Information Restricted.', 'X']
['84003385', 'Foley, Richard T., Site (36GR52)', 'Address Resricted', 'X']
['66000342', 'Haskell Institute', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['80001740', 'Natchitoches Historic District (Boundary Increase)', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['75002214', 'Galvez Town Site', 'Address not known', ""]
['75000759', 'Valley Farm Ruins', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['80004701', 'Alexander Chapel Methodist Church', 'Address not given', ""]
['77001647', 'Paris Pike Historic District', 'No address given', ""]
['84003562', 'Woodland Mound Archeological District', 'Address Retricted', 'X']
['97000789', "Thompson's Island Site (Boundary Increase)", 'address restricted', 'X']
['97000837', 'Baltimore Mills Historic Archaeological Site', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['73000662', 'Nuuanu Petroglyph Complex', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['82000151', 'Archeological Site (T-6 complex) 50-60-04-700', 'Address Restricted      .', 'X']
['97000911', 'Hog Island--62.23', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000914', 'Holmes Point', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000916', 'Grand Lake Stream Site', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000912', 'Hog Island--62.29', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000915', 'Maine Archaeological Survey site 21.26', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000917', 'Hog Island--62.24', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000913', 'Birch Point', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['97000918', 'Hog Island--62.25', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['74000775', 'Albany Mounds Site', 'Addrss Restricted', 'X']
['78003573', 'Barlous Lake Archeological District', 'Addresss Restricted', 'X']
['68000057', 'Desolation Canyon', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['82004191', 'Skeen, William D., House', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['71000857', 'Stagecoach Inn', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['66000892', 'Ste. Genevieve Historic District', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['66000424', 'Utz Site', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['70000329', 'Harley Park Archeological Site', 'Address Restriced', 'X']
['73001047', 'Hearnes Site', 'Address Retricted', 'X']
['85003268', 'Tinian Landing Beaches, Ushi Point Field, Tinian Island', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['97000931', 'House of Taga Boudary Increase and Additional Documentation', 'Address restricted', 'X']
['80002228', 'Prairie Place', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['80002229', 'Forestdale Plantation', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['80002227', "Overseer's House and Outbuildings of Lang Plantation", 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['73000360', 'Indian Mound Park', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['76002300', 'Old Natchez Trace', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['83003813', 'Newkirk State (Site 3lCH366)', 'Addresss Restricted', 'X']
['80002907', 'Fort Dilts', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['66000598', 'Theodore Roosevelt National Memorial Park', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['85000790', 'Scrabbletown Historic and Archeological District', 'Address Restricgted', 'X']
['95001269', 'Old Friends Archeological Site', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['73000392', "Fort Smith's Belle Grove Historic District", 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['72000201', 'Frog Level', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['70000122', 'Powhatan Courthouse', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['66000202', 'Fort Smith National Historic Site', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['77001594', 'Adkins, Homer, House', 'No address given', ""]
['89001971', 'Scott County Courthouse', 'Address Unavailable', ""]
['98000704', 'Sandy Hook Archeological Site', 'Gateway National Recreation Area, Address Restricted', 'X']
['73002268', 'MacIntosh-Driver House', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['85002731', 'Kodiak Naval Operating Base and Forts Greely and Abercrombie', 'Address unknown', ""]
['85002730', 'Ladd Field', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['78000535', 'Cape Nome Mining District Discovery Sites', 'Address unknown', ""]
['73001155', 'San Jose de la Laguna Mission and Convento', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['74001194', 'Fort Sumner Ruins', 'Addess Restricted', 'X']
['70000115', 'Old Tubac Schoolhouse', 'Address unknown at this time', ""]
['94000398', 'Lower Zuni River Archeological District', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['70000184', 'Pensacola Historic District', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['69000164', 'Santee Indian Mound and Fort Watson', 'Addres Restricted', 'X']
['66000711', 'Fort Thompson Mounds', 'Adress Restricted', 'X']
['87002081', 'Viola Rockshelter (47 Ve 640)', 'Addres Restricted', 'X']
['78001719', 'Las Vegas Springs', 'Address Restricted     .', 'X']
['80002583', 'Albany Glassworks Site', 'Address Restricted.', 'X']
['75002164', 'Chatahoochee County Courthouse', 'Address unnkown at this time', ""]
['97001648', 'Bullard--Everett Farm Historic District', 'Address Restrict', 'X']
['80002942', 'Round Barn', 'Address Information Restricted.', ""]
['80003212', 'Round Barn', 'Address Information Restricted.', ""]
['80003206', 'Round Barn', 'Address Information Restricted.', ""]
['71000649', 'Glenford Fort', 'Address Restrocted', 'X']
['72000247', 'Coachella Valley Fish Traps', 'Restricted Address', 'X']
['77001613', 'Golden Crown Mine', 'Address Unknown', ""]
['75000452', 'Blythe Intaglios', 'Addres Restricted', 'X']
['93001017', 'Cedar Avenue Complex', '44843 (44855), 44845 and 44851 Cedar Ave., 606 Lancaster Blvd., and Old Jail (no address)', ""]
['66000627', 'Cherokee National Capitol', 'Restricted Address', ""]
['98001579', 'Landerneau Mound', 'Address Ristricted', 'X']
['00000263', 'Fort St. Pierre Site', 'Address Resricted', ""]
['01000970', 'Livermore Hotel and General Store', 'Address Resricted', 'X']
['02000134', 'Lauriston', 'Addriess Restricted', 'X']
['02000685', 'Sunset Point', 'Address Retricted', 'X']
['03000919', 'Red River Gorge District', 'Address District', 'X']
['04001005', 'Government Boarding School at Lac du Flambeau', 'Address restrict', 'X']
['05000460', 'Amalik Bay Archeological District', 'Katmai National Park and Preserve--Address Restricted', 'X']
['06000051', 'Redoubt #2', 'Address Restrict', 'X']
['07000371', 'T Cross Ranch Rural Historic District', 'Address Resticted', 'X']

There may be yet other variants that misspell both words, but I didn't bother to look further: I'm simply going to take the "restrict" flag as authoritative. However, I find "address unknown" rather puzzling; are the NRHP actually saying they don't know where these places are? Or is this a mistake, and they should be flagged as restricted?

There are some other curious inconsistencies: a number of of the records listed above (for example, 80002942 and 00000263) are described as having restricted addresses in their address field, but are not flagged as restricted.

There are also a number of other records which are flagged as restricted which are not listed above, and use a string containing neither "address" nor "restricted" for their address fields. Some of these contain approximate addresses, so I won't list them here.

I hope this helps -- The Anome (talk) 13:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it helps very much. I've corresponded with the NPS and shared the above report. Thanks! doncram (talk) 01:42, 9 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Some of those in the list above I'm sure are not restricted, just incomplete. For example:

Powhatan Courthouse - Address unknown at this time
Scott County Courthouse - Address Unavailable

I'm willing to bet the addresses of courthouses could be found without too much trouble. Jonathunder (talk) 16:48, 13 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Other

In correspondence, nr_reference notes that "the Cedar Hill Cemetery [in CT] should have given the associated property as: Northam Memorial Chapel and Gallup Memorial Gateway.... We accidentally put the other name as the "see also" property instead of the historic name." Could watch to see if Northam shows up as See also from the Cedar Hill Cemetery in next version, rather than Cedar Hill Chapel something. doncram (talk) 02:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Columbiana County

The Burchfield Homestead is located on East Fourth (4th) Street. There is no street named "Forth" in Salem, Ohio, and the original submission to the NR listed the address correctly. OHPO and NR show the address as "Forth," but this is clearly a typo.

See also

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