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Deletion of contribution that is verified

I made additions to Alexander Zverev's (a top tennis player) page where I added that he was accused by his former girlfriend of physical and emotional abuse, but that he denied it, and in to which the Association of Tennis Professionals has now opened an investigation. Even though I linked all news articles backing up the above information, and didn't defame him in any way as all this is public information, it has all been deleted from his page. I received no notification or justification for the deletion, even though I made sure that the alerts were on to the changes I made. How can this happen when I cited about 8 credible sources of news backing up all the additions that I made? Snydercut1! (talk) 07:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Snydercut1! Being accused of something is not the same as being found guilty of that thing. We normally don’t promote, as yet unsubstantiated accusations in this encyclopaedia. Best to wait, and then only add to an article if it’s both relevant and does not give UNDUE weight or focus to such events. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:38, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Of course, accusations don't equal guilt but the news is public and therefore everybody deserves the chance to know about it. That the ATP has opened up investigation into the matter says something about the veracity of the claims which is why the ATP felt that an investigation was warranted. It is the first time in ATP's history that an investigation like this has been sanctioned and is taking place - doesn't this deserve mention? And no where have I said nor do I believe that he is guilty of the act unless the results are made public because that would be unfair; I am only stating the facts that are already out there in the public domain and therefore merit a place on his page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Snydercut1! (talk • contribs) 06:30, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Snydercut1! No they don't automatically merit a mention! You must wait until news breaks across one or mainstream platforms of a guilty finding before adding accusations. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Can we just take an article from a non-English Wikipedia and copy it to English Wikipedia?

The model Dalma Callado is generally notable in modeling. She doesn't have an article on English Wikipedia, but does, I believe, on Portuguese Wikipedia. (You can see a translation of the article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Greg_Dahlen/dalma_callado.) Can we just put the translation on the English Wikipedia, brushing up the syntax? Greg Dahlen (talk) 14:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

It is certainly possible to use another language article as a basis for one on English WP, provided you follow guidance at WP:Translate. However, our requiremnts for notability are likely to be much stricter so you need to supply decent WP:secondary sources, not just based on interviews. The relevant notability guidance is WP:NMODEL, which might be quite challenging. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen, yes you can translate articles from other Wikipedias, but with two caveats: 1) need to use {{translated from}} on the talk page to provide attribution, and 2) don't just copy paste a machine translation. Machine translations look fluent at first glance, but when reading the article it becomes obvious the text doesn't make sense. It is very hard to fix. Please only do proper translations. The point above about other Wikipedias having lower notability standards than ours is also a good one, so be careful of that too. Good luck. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:41, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Quick question Novem Linguae or Michael D. Turnbull. Does the {{translated from}} template take care of any copyright/attribution concerns that arise with copy/pasting? I thought it worth asking for both the OP's and my understanding of things. MarnetteD|Talk 21:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@MarnetteD. On closer reading of WP:CWW, looks like an edit summary is mandatory, and {{translated from}} is optional. Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia#Translating from other language Wikimedia projects. Thanks for catching that. –Novem Linguae (talk) 21:55, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for checking on this Novem Linguae. Although I don't deal with copyvio stuff very often I kinda thought "Copying within Wikipedia" might come into play. MarnetteD|Talk 21:59, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Would you need to site the non-English Wikipedia? 🤔 68.50.116.194 (talk) 20:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

We should not cite a Wikipedia article (English or non-English) - see WP:CIRCULAR. Instead, we would follow the guidance at Wikipedia:Translation. GoingBatty (talk) 21:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikitia

Hi, on searching for a specific musician I could not find an article for them here on Wikipedia, however, they have an article on Wikitia...would it be against policy if I brought it across to Wikipedia? such a shame for them not to be on here as they have done so much amazing work with so many bands. Thanks in advance FlowerMoon593 (talk) 17:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC) FlowerMoon593 (talk) 17:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, FlowerMoon593, and welcome to the Teahouse. The answer is, It depends. There are two issues. The first is copyright: I believe that Wikitia content is licensed under CC-BY-SA, and therefore you may copy and reuse it anywhere, including on Wikipedia, provided you ascribe the source properly.

The second issue is whether or not it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability and sourcing. I don't know enough about Wikitia to know whether or not that is likely to be the case; but you should certainly not assume it. Unless you are very sure that it does, I would advise treating this as a new draft using WP:AFC, and copy some or all of the text in, noting in the edit summary where it came from. --ColinFine (talk) 17:18, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @FlowerMoon593, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, copy-pasting from there to here is a bad idea, rather what you want to do is do a private reading of WP:RS, analyze what is being said about the musician, then in your own words create the article here using the WP:AFC method. That an article exists elsewhere sister project doesn’t make it notable enough for the English Wikipedia. You might want to read WP:GNG, WP:RS & WP:MUSICBIO before proceeding to create the article here. Please see WP:YFA, if you have seen it before, re-reading is never a bad idea. Celestina007 (talk) 17:23, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Thankyou very much, you have both been very helpful. FlowerMoon593 (talk) 17:40, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

Celestina007: it's possibly misleading to refer to Wikitia as a "sister project": it's entirely unconnected with Wikipedia or the Wikimedia foundation. --ColinFine (talk) 19:10, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine, ah, pardon me, my mistake. Celestina007 (talk) 19:13, 2 November 2021 (UTC)

What is Wikitia I have no idea what it is. 68.50.116.194 (talk) 20:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikitia is a encyclopedia "based on a model where only verified editors (with verified identity) can edit the pages" (and whose URL is on Wikipedia's blacklist). GoingBatty (talk) 21:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Implementing Wikipedia templates, modules etc. onto Fandom.com

I run a very small and very uncomplete wiki on fandom.com and I was trying to use some of the styling used here. One thing, in particular, I was trying to get working was using Template:Infobox. I copied over a few Modules and Templates but realised this was way too complicated for me to do, so I came here in a desperate attempt to ask for help in trying to achieve it. If anyone could help with this, I would be extremely grateful! <3

(Also I hope this is where I'm supposed to ask this, I wasn't too sure) Pigeon <3 (talk) 00:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pigeon <3: What is the wiki you are using? It might be clearer to me if I could get more information about what you're doing. Thanks. If you want, you can use the classic Infobox, nothing too fancy. You might not want to spend all your time on that one thing. I'll look into it to help you more.

WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 00:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

• Pigeon43, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, we are sorry your question has gone unanswered for a long while now, whilst I may not be of much help as I’m no technical editor, I hope some of our fine technical editors here can be so kind as to answer this question. Pinging Primefac, EEng, Buidhe, Trialpears please could any of you be so kind as to aid in answering this? Celestina007 (talk) 02:32, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

  Unfortunately I don't have any experience with copying between here and there; I vaguely recall everything works in a similar manner but if you've copy/pasted things and they aren't working then I'm out of ideas. Primefac (talk) 07:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

• No, it's really no rush I promise! I'm just going to try and catch some sleep now anyway (been a long day haha). Maybe a good way to do this would be to message me directly (if that's possible here) instead of clogging up this page? Either way, please don't waste any time you don't have on my silly little question! /gen Thank you, though! Pigeon <3 (talk) 02:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
• Sorry, only just seen your message, WaterflameIsAwesome. It's really embarrassing :/, but there's the link: [1]. Try not to cringe too hard lol Pigeon <3 (talk) 02:42, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Submitting verifiable links for a new article for MASTER POOLS BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AUSTRALIA

I am trying to create a page for a not-for-profit member association, and submitted links from a third party but I've been given the below reason. This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of organizations and companies).

Fails WP:NORG, lacks any independent reliable secondary sources. The MPBAA website is a primary source and the Splash website is a Wordpress website.

As the publication I referenced is used for another not-for-profit as verifiable I'm trying to understand why it has not been accepted for this new article. The articles are not passing mention of the NFP but are specifically about it and its awards.

The article it is used for is SPASA Australia

All advice is gratefully received. Thank you Flosblos (talk) 03:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Master Pool Builders Association Australia

@Flosblos: Welcome to the Teahouse! https://www.splashmagazine.com.au/spasa-vic-drops-name-and-rebrands-as-mpbaa/ states "SPASA Australia is the owner of the SPLASH! brand including this masthead" and "SPASA Victoria... has dropped its brand name and relaunched as the Master Pool Builders Association Australia", which makes me think that the splashmagazine articles are also primary sources. Do you have any independent sources to show that this organization meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability"? Thanks, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:23, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

SPASA Australia and SPASAVIC are not associated entities and whilst SPLASH Magazine is owned by SPASA Australia it has been accepted as a verifiable source for the SPASA Australia wikipedia entry. Part of the reason for changing the name to MASTER POOL BUILDERS ASSOCIATION AUSTRALIA was to remove the confusion about the NFPs being affiliated / related.

Also referenced here https://www.vba.vic.gov.au/news/events/2020/spasa-pool-spa-expo and here https://www.poolandspareview.com.au/directories/spasa-victoria-1137975477 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flosblos (talk • contribs) 04:01, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Flosblos (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Flosblos: Do you mean that SPASA Australia and SPASAVIC are not associated (or no longer associated) with each other? They seem to have had similar names and logos (comparing https://www.spasa.com.au/ with https://www.mpbaa.com.au/ ). I've added a {{notability}} tag to Swimming Pool & Spa Association of Australia because the article doesn't have any independent sources. Has any reliable source other that SPLASH magazine written about these organizations? Notability requires significant coverage from multiple independent sources. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:18, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

There were SPASA Associations in every state and they shared a logo. SPASA Victoria stayed a separate entity when SA and QLD joined with NSW to become SPASA Australia, so no they were never the same entity, but always separate bodies. SPASA Victoria rebranded because of the confusion the similarity in names caused to consumers.

You are a great help with what needs to be done, it is difficult with member associations to find coverage. However, there are multiple references to the association on the internet including:

https://www.vba.vic.gov.au/news/events/2020/spasa-pool-spa-expo https://www.poolandspareview.com.au/directories/spasa-victoria-1137975477 https://urbanhortsolutions.com.au/projects/spasa-victoria https://www.cantonfair.net/event/3633-spasa-victoria-pool-spa-expo-outdoor-living and https://10times.com/spa-pool-show References to awards given to one Pool Builder here https://oftb.com.au/awards/ And attendance at an Expo / Show by an exhibitor https://www.bosssolar.com.au/bosssolar-bring-the-innovation-to-spasa-victoria-pool-spa-outdoor-living-expo and new CEO https://associations.net.au/news/sector-news/2018/new-ceo-at-spasa-vic.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flosblos (talk • contribs) 05:35, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Would these be enough? I only gave the SPLASH references initially as that was all the SPASA Australia site had and as it was live I thought it must have been enough.

Thank you Flosblos (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 05:27, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Flosblos I'm sorry to disappoint you but, no, these links are nowhere near enough for Wikipedia. I'm afraid all they do is simply show that this organisation exists - just like millions upon millions of other businesses (and billions of people) around the world. I'm afraid we would need to see at least three non-local sources, which were all independent of the trade, that are talking in detail and in depth about the significance of this one particular organisation. Our notability criteria for businesses is particularly hard for many, many organisations to meet; I do appreciate that. Anything less would be pure WP:PROMOTION, and Wikipedia is not here to provide a directory listing for businesses and trade bodies. It's fair to say that coverage in the mainstream media could be either descriptive and positive, or it could reflect newsworthy malpractice by that organisation on a scale worthy of note by the world at large. Either way, we might then feel it warranted an article about it. But not before - sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick MoyesHow can one possibly get a non-local source for a local (state) body? I never thought Wikipedia was a directory, but rather a repository of information. As for malpractice LOL, it is a member organisation / not for profit so the chances of that happening is not high. I will search for three articles outside of the trade to support the article. Thank you for your assistance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flosblos (talk • contribs) 21:19, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Editing main page

Is it possible to edit the main page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Damianlewis21 (talk • contribs) 04:18, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, as can be seen from its history. It was most recently edited by Izno. But you can't edit it. Still, you can suggest edits to it. Note that most of it simply transcludes what is edited elsewhere. You can't edit that, either, but you can suggest edits to it. -- Hoary (talk) 04:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Damianlewis21. Because of the extremely high potential for vandalism immediately visible to millions of readers, the main page can only be edited by administrators. It is subject to a heightened level of protection called cascading protection. I have been an administrator for over four years and have never edited the main page and probably never will. Certain administrators specialize in working on the main page. I prefer to work on enduring content and the main page changes too rapidly for my tastes. But I respect the administrators and editors who work very hard to maintain it as an informative and reliable introduction to Wikipedia. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:42, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, hmm, yes, kind of. But really, Damianlewis21, the main page is a very stable framework that transcludes a number of templates. It's these templates that change rapidly. Like Cullen328, I've never edited the main page (or wanted to); as far as I remember, I've never edited any of the templates, either. An administrator who sets out to edit the main page is greeted (?) by a message that, with only slight exaggeration, could be paraphrased and shortened as "Are you out of your mind? Just don't." Again, any editor is welcome to make concise, reasoned, intelligent suggestions for changes to the main page. If you wish to do so, make sure you're on the talk page of the relevant template. -- Hoary (talk) 06:18, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

See Talk:Main Page for where to make suggestions. I have edited the main page – once in 2013. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Please change the DP of Chansung with some good pic. Hwang Chan-sung

Dear Wikipedia, please kindly change the DP of our Chansung with some good one. We hottest(chanwives) try to edit but facing copyrights issue and it is getting removed. so please kindly consider it. Thank you. 122.173.207.101 (talk) 08:02, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

You were given advice at User talk:Mardhiyah.yazid. Please don't ask the same question at the Help Desk and here on the Teahouse, as it wastes the time of volunteers replying to a question that has already been answered. In general the place to discuss an article is on its talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:17, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

How do i insert extra information on a person's name?

For example Einstein's wikipedia page begins with

"Albert Einstein (/ˈaɪnstaɪn/ EYEN-styne; German: [ˈalbɛʁt ˈʔaɪnʃtaɪn] (About this soundlisten); 14 March 1879 – 18 April 1955) was a German-born theoretical physicis..."

How do I add those info in a page that i am interested in creating? LostCitrationHunter (talk) 08:47, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

LostCitrationHunter Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. My personal advice would be to get an article(not just a "page") created before concerning yourself with a detail like that. You may use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft, though you should read Your First Article and gather at least three independent reliable sources with significant coverage to summarize. 331dot (talk) 08:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The wikisource used in that case is: " '''Albert Einstein''' ({{IPAc-en|ˈ|aɪ|n|s|t|aɪ|n}} {{respell|EYEN|styne}};<ref name="NDxay" /> {{IPA-de|ˈalbɛʁt ˈʔaɪnʃtaɪn|lang|Albert Einstein german.ogg}}; 14 March 1879 – 18 April 1955) was a German-born<!-- Please do not change this—see talk page and its many archives.--> [[Theoretical physics|theoretical physicist]], ... " so you would use equivalent code in the page which you wish to create. The various templates used each have their own documentation. Do you have a more specific question? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Adding a person to Wikipedia

How do you create a profile for a well known artist that does not have a page on Wikipedia? Smorluv (talk) 11:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! If you haven't already done so, please read Your first article, Notability, and Notability – artists. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 11:26, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

But please note, Smorluv, that 1) Wikipedia does not contain profiles. Not one. It contains encyclopaedia articles, which are a different thing; 2) if you try creating an article before you have "learned the trade" of editing Wikipedia, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing time, and possibly see your effort wasted; and 3) promotion of any kind is forbidden anywhere in Wikipedia. If you purpose is to get involved with one of the greatest collaborative creations ever, you are very welcome; if your purpose is telling the world about your artist, then you should do it somewhere else.

When will my article be reviewed?

Hello Teahouse,

I wrote an article and submitted it back in May 2021 and have so far not received any feedback/review. I previously read that it can take between 3-6 months for a page to be approved although there is no set order to reviews.

As I am brand new to this and spent quite a considerable amount of time on the page, I would really appreciate some guidance on this process.

Here is the page in question: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Killa_Design_Architecture

Many thanks. Holdsworthb (talk) 12:01, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

You have not submitted your draft Draft:Killa Design Architecture for review, I have added the template for you, but please be advised it is likely to be declined immediately as advertising. Theroadislong (talk) 12:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Holdsworthb: please review WP:NPOV and MOS:PEACOCK. Wikipedia articles are written in a dry neutral tone, which this draft is not. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 12:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Theroadislong, however I am still very lost with this process. I wrote the article and on completion selected publish, thinking that would be the next step in the process. The template you have provided is also very confusing to someone who is new to Wikipedia. Can you please give me some form of step by step. Just out of curiosity, why would the article that I have written be declined due to advertising? When I searched for Killa Design on Wikipedia, I noticed they didn't have a presence like other organisations in the same field, so I wanted to contribute. Could someone please explain this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Holdsworthb (talk • contribs) 12:23, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

To answer the first part of your question, you are one of many people who have been confused because of a decision by those controlling the Wikimedia software. They decided to change the button that used to say Save but now says Publish; they didn't make it clear that this doesn't publish to mainspace, but merely saves the updated version of the file, in this case your draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:30, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Once you have removed all advertising and promotional tone you, simply click the button that says "submit your draft for review". For example the very first sentence is straight from the companies marketing department "award-winning architecture studio that creates timeless, transformative, adaptive but resilient spaces and designs which are unique, innovative, embrace sustainability and are contextually inspired" and totally inappropriate. Theroadislong (talk) 12:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

As you have stated at commons:File:Killa Design Logo.jpg that you are the copyright holder for the organisation's logo, you need to read about conflict of interest, and you need to make the mandatory definition of paid editing. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:48, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Holdsworthb: I suggest you review Help:Your first article if you have not already done so. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 13:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

The first paragraph of an article should tell us basic things about the subject. Instead, you have strung together promotional buzzwords, and conveyed no information at all. The effect is nauseating, and reflects badly on the subject of the draft. Maproom (talk) 14:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Merging Obviously Duplicated Articles?

I am an extremely new Wiki editor. I have joined mostly to solve one issue that has bugged me for a while. The Lampropeltis leonis and Lampropeltis mexicana thayeri pages need to be merged. I just don't know how to do it. L. leonis was believed to be a subspecies of L. mexicana, but it has in the past few years been considered a full species by the majority of the scientific community. The body of the L. m. thayeri article is completely accurate, it just has the outdated name attached, while the current name is attached to a different article. Does anyone have any advice on merging an article where the main body of the article is in the article that redirects? BlitzarExotics (talk) 12:43, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, BlitzarExotics! To request articles to be mreged into one, please visit Wikipedia:Proposed article mergers and follow the instructions listed there. Panini!^🥪 13:01, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft for already existing article

What do I do if I see a draft with a name identical to an existing article. The Tips of Apmh (talk) 13:42, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@The Tips of Apmh: Welcome to the Teahouse! You don't have to do anything. It will eventually probably fall into one of these categories:

1. The draft duplicates the topic of the article, and an AfC reviewer will point that out when the draft is submitted
2. The draft is about a different topic than the article, and an editor will assign a new name when the draft is moved to articlespace (e.g. If there was a draft about a politician named Larry Andersen, the new article might be named Larry Andersen (politician) so it doesn't conflict with Larry Andersen the baseball player)
3. The draft will be deleted after six months of inactivity.

Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 14:22, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: That helps. Thanks. --The Tips of Apmh (talk) 17:14, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

How do you flag an article for being poorly written/citing poor source/including information intended to skew a viewpoint to a specific direction?

I'm pretty new to editing wikipedia so pardon if this is obviously answered somewhere, however I tried to find the protocol for this and had little luck finding anything outside outdated or no-longer-applicable information. Can someone point me to a resource for how to do this? I will eventually get around to trying to fix the article myself but I currently don't have the time to do it so I just want to put up a flag so that anyone reading it right now will be aware it has serious issues and give anyone else who has the knowledge necessary as well as the time to do so the opportunity to review it. RolledOats131 (talk) 14:45, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Maintenance templates like {{pov}} or {{Partisan sources}} will do the kind of thing you're hoping for but it's also a good idea to leave a note on the talk page explaining the problem as you see it too, for context for anyone who would want to address it. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 14:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @RolledOats131: Welcome to the Teahouse! The Wikipedia maintenance templates include {{copy edit}}, {{cite check}}, and {{POV}}. You can also use the inline template {{better source needed}} to tag individual sources. After adding these templates, you can also post information on the article talk page to give more information on why you added the templates. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:58, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Newspapers.com clippings when account is inactive

Hello,

Does anyone know happens to clippings that a user has saved on newspapers.com if they cancel their subscription? If used in a Wikipedia citation do the links in those citations die?

Thanks in advance! Trillkat (talk) 15:19, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Trillkat: I believe they still persist, but I'm not 100% sure. If you're concerned, go to edit history, click fix dead links, check the box for add archive to all, and run the bot. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 15:58, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sdkb: Thanks for the response and information. I'm really just wondering for personal reference. I have my own personal newspapers.com account (it's active), but was worried what would happen to clippings that I've used as citations if for whatever reason I decided to cancel. I'll have to look at their website some more. Trillkat (talk) 16:16, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

adding additonal credits

Why are some accounts protected? OldNatchezTrace (talk) 16:11, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@OldNatchezTrace, various pages on Wikipedia (both articles and other types of pages) are restricted to experienced editors to prevent disruption; see Wikipedia:Protection policy. If you'd like to make an edit to such a page, you can click the request button in the notice that tells you you're unable to edit the page. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^{[[User talk:|talk]]} 16:22, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Sdkb

Which part is the advert?

This article has an 'advert' template. But which part sounds like an advert? Excellenc1 (talk) 16:29, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

If in doubt, try asking the editor who added the tag in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:38, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: For me, the first sentence in §Development sounds a little promotional:

Today the Baandha fabric is popularly known by its geographical and cultural name Sambalpuri owing to the pioneering efforts of Sri Radhashyam Meher, who brought about a radical improvement in the skills of the craftsmen and the quality of the products.

Titles like Sri generally shouldn't be included in Wikipedia's voice, and "radical improvement" almost veers into the realm of puffery. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

It looks like at the time the tag was added, there were substantial additional sections listing individual businesses. For what it's worth, I think the current version could be more neutral in tone, but I personally don't think that tag is still necessary. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk)

I would guess, the last two paragraphs of the Radhashyam section, which aren't about the subject of the article but instead promote someone called Radhashyam. Maproom (talk) 16:44, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: Based on the responses here, I've moved {{advert}} to the "Development" section. I've also added some additional tags to encourage improvement. GoingBatty (talk) 16:56, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Ok, thank you. Excellenc1 (talk) 05:28, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Notability guidelines for a vehicle

Hello! So while clicking the Random article button to find a random article to improve (whether it simply be changing a link so that it isn't a red link and goes where it's intended to or adding sources) I can across an article about a train with no references. I'm wondering what (if any) are the notability guidelines for a vehicle so that I know what sources to look for. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: There's an essay at WP:NVEHICLES, which "does not replace the WP:N requirement for significant coverage in secondary sources" and "should not be used to make decisions for WP:Criteria for speedy deletion." Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:59, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Yep! Thanks! ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 17:00, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Citing short story in collection

I've been doing a lot of editing on the John Varley and Eight Worlds pages, but the only source I actually have physical access to is the collection The Persistence of Vision, which contains a number of Varley's short anthology stories. All of these stories (as far as I can tell) were initially published years beforehand in sci-fi magazines.

What are the guidelines for citing the short stories within a collection? I've just been treating the whole collection as a book and each story as a 'chapter' in the {{Cite book}} template, but this solution is clunky and unsatisfactory. Does anyone know the official style way to handle a case like this? HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith (talk) 17:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith: Thanks for your contributions so far! Syntax-wise, I don't think there's anything wrong with how you're creating the citations. However, I'd like to point out that while using primary sources (the book itself) for the plot is generally okay, Wikipedia actually prefers to use secondary sources because it helps you figure out due and undue weight, aka what's important and what's not. If you can find reliable reviews/analyses of Varley's book series, that will greatly improve the Wikipedia article's sourcing. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 17:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Submitting a Biography

I have been trying to submit a biography I wrote for a musician. Every time I tried to submit it, I was prompted to change it from a .doc to something else but when I tried, it totally compromised the article. I had to re-write it each time. I would like some help but have not been able to reach anyone. Can you please tell me how to proceed? This client has been waiting for a very long time. Thank you for any assistance you can give. Ohboycopy (talk) 17:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ohboycopy: It seems that you're trying to upload a .doc file to either Wikimedia Commons or Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. That's not how articles are created here, since articles aren't .doc files at all; see WP:YFA instead. Also, your question implies that there is paid editing going on. Before you edit any further, please make any relevant disclosures about your paid status, especially about who the "client" is. Also, please note that as a paid editor, it is very hard for you to stay in a neutral point of view, one of the fundamental principles of Wikipedia. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 17:47, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ohboycopy. Is the biography almost entirely based on what people unconnected with your client have published about your client? If the answer is "No", then your text is completely useless for Wikipedia. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost entirely interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. --ColinFine (talk) 18:39, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Additional set of guidelines to determine notability for musicians. See Wikipedia:Notability (music).

In addition to the mandatory declaration of your paid situation, do make clear to your client that no one 'owns' an article. If you do succeed, that means any other editor can add content as long as that content has reliable references. David notMD (talk) 10:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ohboycopy: Also, if your draft is accepted as an article, neither you nor your client will be allowed to edit it directly due to the conflict of interest. Instead, you would be able to submit requests on the article's talk page for other editors to review. GoingBatty (talk) 14:12, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Should I edit file descriptions in Wikimedia commons?

I was wondering if I should edit the description of Commons:File:Watt balance, large view.jpg as it is out of date (because the kilogram is no longer defined by a physical artifact). I was a bit hesitant because I don't know if we're supposed to edit those descriptions (as it was true when the file was uploaded). Thank you! Lone Warrior 007 (talk) 18:18, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Lone Warrior 007, and welcome to the Teahouse. I would have thought it was worth updating the description; but the place to ask is at Commons:Commons:Help desk, rather than on Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 18:42, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Lone Warrior 007: Welcome to the Teahouse! I think it would be reasonable and helpful for you to update the description. For example, you could change it to something like "Currently The primary standard defining all the world's mass and weight units is was the International Prototype of the Kilogram (IPK) until 2019, when it was replaced by a new definition of the kilogram based on physical constants."

@ColinFine: Oh, I see. Thank you! I was indeed thinking that Wikipedia wasn't the best place to ask about it but I only knew about Teahouse and hence I asked here...Lone Warrior 007 (talk) 18:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

will i be violating wiki rules?

Is it safe for to add an infobox to my user page? Won't i be blocked or warned? Motlatlaneo (talk) 18:21, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Motlatlaneo: Welcome to the Teahouse! {{Infobox Wikipedia user}} was designed for user pages. As long as you follow the guidelines on Wikipedia:User pages, you'll be fine. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:41, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Help with references in article

I don't yet have a page. I wrote a Wiki bio for Larry Packer and need help figuring out where to put in Wiki references and how to cite all other the references. I have a sample version with references I made in Word but I can't copy and paste it into your format - obviously. I would really like to subcontract that portion to someone who's familiar with accessing archives. Can you give me guidance on how to proceed? CMScrapbook (talk) 18:37, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@CMScrapbook: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest you start by adding your list of reliable sources to the bottom of Draft:Larry Packer. If you can demonstrate that Packer meets Wikipedia's notability criteria for musicians, then we can help you format the references. You can also see WP:REFBEGIN and WP:EASYREFBEGIN for instructions. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, CMScrapbook, and welcome to the Teahouse. "Subcontracting" the legwork is not something that really happens here, because we are all volunteers, and work on what we choose to work on. It's possible you might find a collaborator if you post at WT:WikiProject Musicians, but I wouldn't hold your breath. My advice would be to put the Packer article on hold for a few months while you "learn the trade" of editing Wikipedia by making small improvements to some of our existing six milion articles. Creating a new article isn't the only way to add value to Wikipedia, and frankly when an inexperienced editor tries it they often end up taking value away from Wikipedia, as experienced editors take time to sort out the problems that arise from their inexperience. --19:24, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

You have the above guidelines for how to format references. I recommend practicing creating refs in your sandbox, then pasting into your draft. What is critical is that you have references to published articles written ABOUT Packer, as some length. In-name-only mentions (he played at ____ with ____) are not sufficient. David notMD (talk) 10:27, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Feedback Welcome for 1st Draft Article

Hello Teahouse. First time contributor and new to Wikipedia. As an interested auto enthusiast and follower of automotive media, wanted to try out this writing project. It's a personal goal to be an automotive media writer and the objective encyclopedic nature of Wikipedia writing seemed valuable. I followed the article creation template and submitted the draft to AFC? One other editor has made a few changes so far but any feedback would be welcome. Thanks. Danceislife2021 (talk) 18:48, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Larry Kosilla ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 18:50, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Danceislife2021: Welcome to the Teahouse! The big yellow template at the bottom of your draft states "This may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,118 pending submissions waiting for review", so it might be a while before you receive detailed feedback. You may continue improving your draft while you're waiting. Also, if you have any personal or professional relationship with Kosilla that would constitute a conflict of interest, you must declare it on your user page. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:02, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Danceislife2021: You can also follow the suggestion in the big yellow template labeled "Improving your odds of a speedy review" to add WikiProject tags to the draft talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBattyThank you for your suggestions. I cannot add the tag Youtube to the article. It says an error has occurred. Is someone else able to add a tag? Danceislife2021 (talk) 19:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Danceislife2021 YouTube is mostly unreliable; see WP:YouTube. ― Qwerfjkltalk 19:26, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Danceislife2021: I don't know what you mean by "the tag Youtube". If you like, feel free to add it to the best of your ability, and then we can look at the error and provide you guidance. GoingBatty (talk) 20:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I'm sorry to say that the draft was moved into the main area of the encyclopedia before being reviewed, and was instantly deleted per WP:A7 "No indication of importance" and WP:G11 "Blatant advertising". I realise that it can be frustrating to wait for a review of a draft, and especially frustrating if you are resubmitting after a first review, but unfortunately there's a general consensus that articles must be in a sufficiently good shape for anyone to improve before they are considered acceptable in the main area.

A much easier route into Wikipedia editing is to look at existing articles and improve them. The simplest way to start is by fixing basic spelling and grammar mistakes. Then, you can move onto advanced activities such as finding references for unsourced content - the first automobile article I happened to look at, Volkswagen Golf has a number of facts and claims such as "The Mk2 GTI featured a 1.8-litre 8-valve fuel-injected engine from its launch, with a 16-valve version capable of more than 220 km/h (137 mph) being introduced in 1985." which are not sourced - how do we know this claim is true and factually accurate? Once you've got experience of that under your belt, then it's a suitable time to think about creating new topics from scratch. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:49, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Help about editing sandbox pages

So there’s one sandbox for all the pages your wanting to create, but the problem I’m having is that when I put in categories, they’re all part of a single category section, and the Page Title isn’t below the category section.

Also, how do I create separate User Sandbox pages, where he title of the page looks like this:

User:(Username)/sandbox/*Name of page*

 BitznBytz 1000000, 19:46, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, BitznBytz 1000000, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure what you're sauing about categories: you shouldn't be adding a sandbox to a category anyway, wait until it is accepted as an article. As for your second question, simply type User:BitznBytz 1000000/sandbox/Some new title into the search bar, and it should give you the option to create that sandbox. --ColinFine (talk) 20:03, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@BitznBytz 1000000: Welcome to the Teahouse! On what page are you adding categories? GoingBatty (talk) 20:51, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Can I add another editor for my own sandbox?

 Kabkabkab (talk) 19:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Kabkabkab, and welcome to the Teahouse. You din't need to "add" anything: (almost) an editor may edit (almost) any article or page. It is customary not to edit other users' sandboxes; but you're free to invite or allow another editor to do so, if you wish. --ColinFine (talk) 20:06, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Kabkabkab: Per WP:NOBAN, if they have your permission they can edit your user pages. But why wouldn't they want to have their own? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:09, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Timtempleton Sometimes one can invite other editors to collaborate in one's sandbox. I do it occasionally, myself as here and here. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: Ah - of course. Hadn’t thought of that. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 04:16, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

New article in draft

Why my newly written article is in draft only? Not published live? 88.118.182.209 (talk) 20:04, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Because unregistered (and non-logged-in) editors cannot create new pages in main space. This is your only edit from this IP address, so we cannot tell which draft you are talking about. In any case, writing a new article is much much much much more difficult than it looks, and it is unlikely that the first attempt by a new editor would be acceptable for mainspace anyway. Please read your first article if you haven't already; and if you think your draft might be suitable, submit it for review. --ColinFine (talk) 20:10, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Akthough not required, having an account makes it easier for other editors to communicate with you. David notMD (talk) 10:29, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Redirect page

Hi there, Im trying to make a redirect page. im trying to redirect woody to Sheriff Woody, but their is a page called woody already. I think that page should be changed to Woody (disambiguation) because thats what it is basically. Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:20, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

In order to move the page away from where it exists you'd need to demonstrate that Sheriff Woody is clearly the primary use of the term above all others, and as it's not only a common forename but a plain english-language word I don't believe that would be likely. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 20:25, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Grapple X: sorry i worded that wrong. im trying to make it to where you type in Woody and it takes you to Sheriff Woody. So can someone tell me how to do that? Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:55, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

You were clear--what I mean is, in order to claim the page Woody for this redirect, which is what this would require, it would need to clearly be the primary use of the word "woody". You can make your case for this at Talk:Woody but I don't believe it's likely to pass; the daily average page views for Sheriff Woody are 585 across the year, versus 987 for wood in that same period, 1,856 for Woody Guthrie, or over 11,000 for Woody Allen. It doesn't seem that the unadorned, undisambiguated page Woody really belongs to any one use so just keeping it as the redirect page is best practice. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 21:05, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

oh ok. Can I rename Woody to Woody (disambiguation) and then make the redirect page? Kaleeb18 (talk) 21:12, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

You're always free to propose a move request on the article's talk page but for the reasons I gave I don't believe it's the right move, others may or may not agree though. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 21:15, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

ok Kaleeb18 (talk) 21:34, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Grapple X: I found a solution. I want to rename the article Sheriff Woody to Woody (Toy Story). because I saw someone make that suggestion on the talk page of talk:Woody. But I ran into a problem. There is a redirect page called Woody (Toy Story) so I couldn't move the sheriff woody article to that name. Kaleeb18 (talk) 19:55, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: If you're trying to reverse the redirect destination (i.e., Sheriff Woody → Woody (Toy Story)), you can ask for help at Wikipedia:Requested moves, where someone with page mover rights can help you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:10, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Nominate to Delete something

Hi, there is a section in the sheriff Woody article called relationships. I was wondering if there was a way to nominate just that section for deletion or can I only suggest it on the talk page? Kaleeb18 (talk) 21:07, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, no, you may not nominate for delete, a section of an article. If you want some parts of the article removed you should notify relevant parties(article creator, major contributors) to the talk page of that article then state your rationale until a consensus is met you may not unilaterally remove any parts of the article. Celestina007 (talk) 21:12, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

I should also add that Wikipedia maintains a balance, that is, we include both the negatives and the positives to any article if they are of due weight and are well sourced. I’m giving you a blanket response as I haven't checked to see what you make reference to, so based on that premise it may an effort in futility to initiate a conversation at the Talk page of the article when sufficient reliable sources discuss what you want to see removed from an article. Please let me know if you have further questions. Thank you for your time. Celestina007 (talk) 21:28, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank You Kaleeb18 (talk) 21:31, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: I see that an IP editor tagged Sheriff Woody#Relationships with {{Unreferenced section}} and {{Overly detailed}} on October 28, and that you started a conversation about this at Talk:Sheriff Woody#Removing Relationships on October 29. These are both good steps. If you don't receive any responses, you could invite the editors at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Animation/Pixar work group to respond to Talk:Sheriff Woody#Removing Relationships. Or you could boldly trim or delete the section. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:53, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Thaank you @GoingBatty:, ill contact them Kaleeb18 (talk) 02:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Most protected page in Wikipedia

Which page is the most protected in all of Wikipedia? Damianlewis21 (talk) 21:50, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Damianlewis21: Welcome to the Teahouse! Looking at Wikipedia:Protection policy, fully protected pages with permanent protection are the most protected. There are some examples at WP:PPINDEF, such as the Main Page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:58, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

@Damianlewis21: See [2] for fully protected articles. There are currently only six real articles: Yitzhak Israeli, Dublin Airport, List of Indian states and union territories by GDP, Loudoun County Public Schools, The Battle at Lake Changjin, Frankenstein's monster. Main Page is the only [3] mainspace (reader-facing) page with cascade-protection, meaning that content transcluded from other pages is also protected. Some interface pages can be edited by fewer users for security reasons, notably MediaWiki:Common.js which has JavaScript for viewers of any Wikipedia page. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:55, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

citation

 Abagofboiledpotatoes (talk) 22:54, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome. Did you have a question about citations? Check out WP:ERB and WP:REFB to get started. RudolfRed (talk) 23:01, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Citation

How do you cite something from another website. Abagofboiledpotatoes (talk) 01:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Please don't start a new section on the same topic. Which part of the answer above did you find hard to understand? --David Biddulph (talk) 01:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Abagofboiledpotatoes: Welcome to the Teahouse! There's a video on WP:EASYREFBEGIN that you might find helpful. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikimedia Asia Project

How am I able to earn these promised postcards from Asia? IntellectuallyOlder(Alt. Account) (talk) 00:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi IntellectuallyOlder(Alt. Account). See meta:Wikipedia Asian Month 2021/Postcards and Certification. It appears you must create at least four articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:00, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@IntellectuallyOlder(Alt. Account): Welcome to the Teahouse! You can sign up at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month/2021. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Translate from another language

How do I translate an article from another language to English language? Mrpuki007 (talk) 03:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mrpuki007: What I did when I translated Paul Trappen from German was to first copy the German article source text into a sub-page in my user space (you can also use your sandbox or create an article in Draft space), and then I painstakingly translated everything line by line, removing badly sourced stuff and checking the cited sources for the rest. I added a bit here and there, and generally improved on the original.

Be aware that many articles on non-English Wikipedias are written to lower standards of verifiability, notability, and editorial content. The English Wikipedia standards for an acceptable article are usually more stringent. You really need to make sure the sources are solid. ~Anachronist (talk) 03:57, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mrpuki007: There is also a how-to guide at Help:Translation. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:20, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Barnstars/contests for content creation

It may be a bit silly, but I find barnstars and/or competition really motivating. For example, I really enjoy backlog drives, the leaderboard, and the barnstars given out.

Are there similar competitions and barnstars for content creation, such as GA or DYK? I stumbled across the WikiCup, but the only award given out appears to be the cup itself, and only 1 person gets that, and I have no chance of beating the top person anytime soon.

Any other ones come to mind? Thanks. (Please ping on reply) –Novem Linguae (talk) 06:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Not contests, Novem Linguae, but merit awards for content: W awards, Four awards, Triple Crowns, and Million awards. (I think there was another for arguing convincingly to "keep" in an AfD and thereafter taking the same article up to "featured" status, but I can't find it; perhaps I just imagined it.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:05, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Novem Linguae: There's also Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month/2021. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

GODL-India

Why isn't this template available here on Wikipedia? I want to upload an image with this, but it doesn't work here. Also, I am blocked on Commons, so I cannot upload it there. So, can you please make this template work here? Peter Ormond 💬 07:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

That template is not appropriate for use here. Assuming you have addressed the reasons for your block on Commons, simply wait for it to expire and try again.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:50, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

[citation needed] for my edits

I recently contributed the section called "Artificial inosculation" under this page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grafting.

I see a note requesting [citation needed] for my edits. Although Artificial inosculation has existed for ever, I appear to have discovered the process of leveraging this technique for artificial grating. Since this appears to be a first time discovery I can't find any scholastic reference or white papers on this topic. How do I provide citation in this case where perhaps no previous mentions exist? Wikidipdip (talk) 07:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikidipdip Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The short answer is- you don't. Wikipedia only summarizes what independent reliable sources state about a topic. If a topic is not mentioned in such sources, it cannot be on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place to post original research. Wikipedia is interested in what others say about your research, not what those who conduct it say about it.

Furthermore, you have a conflict of interest in writing about your own research or discoveries. 331dot (talk) 07:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You should either remove the content and images you added to Grafting or expect that someone else will do so very soon. If you truly believe your concept - the scion remaining part of the donor plant while the grafting is taking place - then publish your work in a horticultural journal so that someone else will add it to the article, citing your work. David notMD (talk) 10:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Is there a question

 106.66.57.146 (talk) 07:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Added section title. Did you have a question? David notMD (talk) 10:48, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Does this article follow WP:NPOV?

 Excellenc1 (talk) 07:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello Excellenc1! the article does not look obviously non-neutral to me, though I can't speak to the accuracy of the plot synopsis as I haven't seen the film. Overall it seems comprehensive and well referenced. The text could use some further polishing, in that I noticed some erratic use of tenses and some awkward phrasing, but this is a minor criticism. Nice job!

It is of course an article about a film, not about the real-life events the film depicts. The film may or may not present a non-neutral depiction of those events (and the article's Controversy and Reception sections touch on this), but that does not make the article about the film itself non-neutral. It might be thought that the events themselves deserve a separate article: is there one on French Wikipedia? I didn't see a link to one in the original French article, but my French is very rusty indeed. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.31 (talk) 13:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I upload a non-free file (a movie poster) on Wikipedia?

 Excellenc1 (talk) 08:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

For information on uploading images, see WP:Uploading images. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Basically, click "Upload a non-free file" at WP:FUW and follow the instructions carefully. Note that the poster can only be used in a "live" WP-article about the film, so if this is for a draft, wait until it's moved to mainspace. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

David Biddulph and Gråbergs Gråa Sång, how to reduce the resolution of an image? Excellenc1 (talk) 11:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

See the penultimate paragraph of WP:Non-free content#Image resolution. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps I'm sleepily missing something, but although WP:Non-free content#Image resolution tells me what to do, it doesn't tell me how to do it. Excellenc1, I recommend GIMP. -- Hoary (talk) 12:14, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The penultimate paragraph says:

"If you believe an image is oversized, either re-upload a new version at the same file location, or tag the image file page with a {{Non-free reduce}} template, which will place it in a maintenance category to be reduced by volunteers or a bot like DatBot."

--David Biddulph (talk) 12:20, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

David Biddulph, I sit corrected. But Excellenc1, even if you don't need GIMP for this, I recommend it anyway -- for example, when you want to email a friend a dozen photos, but high resolution isn't required and clogging any part of the process is better avoided. -- Hoary (talk) 01:12, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Excellenc1 If you upload a non-free image via WP:FUW, a bot will come by after awhile and do it automatically. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, David Biddulph and Gråbergs Gråa Sång, I have already uploaded the image. Check File:BAC Nord (2021) Poster.jpg. Excellenc1 (talk) 12:28, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

German-speaking lawyer seeked

Hi,

I have two serious problems: 1) My English is quite bad. 2) It´s a law-case, I´m talking about. So a German-speaking lawyer is seeked by me. Could you help me please? The following text is in German language:

Zunächst muss ich mich vielmals entschuldigen, mein Englisch ist leider derart lausig, dass ich gar nicht erst einen Versuch wagen möchte. Zudem muss sich derjenige, der sich meines Einwurfs annimmt, ohnehin intensiv mit deutscher Juristensprache auseinandersetzen, denn ohne ein Verständnis meines Aufsatzes Die Zeitenwende im Klageerzwingungsverfahren und meiner aktuellen Kommentierungen auf beck-blog ist eine Bearbeitung des Artikels Oury Jalloh überhaupt nicht möglich.

Ich denke, dass es sich bei dem Fall Oury Jalloh um einen der größten Justizskandale der bundesdeutschen Nachkriegsgeschichte handelt: Zwei deutsche Polizisten bringen einen Schwarzen um, und der Fall wird noch nicht einmal gerichtlich untersucht, es wird noch nicht einmal der Versuch unternommen, den beiden beschuldigten Polizisten den Mordvorwurf nachzuweisen. An dieser Stelle kommt mein Aufsatz Die Zeitenwende im Klageerzwingungsverfahren ins Spiel: Ich will erreichen, dass die Hinterbliebenen eines Mordopfers eine faire Chance erhalten, das Vertuschen und Verschleiern, das staatliche Behörden betreiben, zu durchbrechen. Denn in Deutschland besteht für die Hinterbliebenen von Mordopfern durchaus die Möglichkeit, bei Gericht einen Antrag zu stellen, dass das Gericht die Strafverfolgungsbehörde, die Staatsanwaltschaft, dazu anhält, Mordanklage zu erheben. Dieses Verfahren steht aber praktisch nur auf dem Papier, in der forensischen Realität haben die Hinterbliebenen von Mordopfern nicht wirklich eine Aussicht, mit ihrem Klagebegehren Erfolg zu haben.

Aktuell ist das Verfahren beim Bundesverfassungsgericht unter dem Aktenzeichen 2 BvR 378/20 anhängig. Gelingt es, das BVerfG davon zu überzeugen, dass die Hinterbliebenen von Mordopfern eine realistische Chance erhalten müssen, eine strafrechtliche Anklage zu erzwingen, ist auch im Fall Oury Jalloh der Weg zur Aufklärung der Mordvorwürfe gegen die beiden beschuldigten Polizisten geebnet. Über ein neues Gutachten, das zum wiederholten Male unter Beweis stellt, dass den beiden beschuldigten Polizeibeamten der Mord an Oury Jalloh nachweisbar ist, berichtete die taz am 3.11.2021 in einem aktuellen Artikel.--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 09:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Helmut Hoppenstedt. I'm afraid you have a third problem, which is that this page is for helping people with issues in editing Wikipedia, nothing else. NObody here is going to help you with a legal case, in any language. --ColinFine (talk) 11:23, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your friendly and helpfull response. :-)--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 11:27, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The only relationship with Wikipedia is that we have an article on the Death of Oury Jalloh. The German text above would be against policy of WP:NOR were it to be incorporated within that article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I do not request, that the German text above is incorporated word by word in the article on the Death of Oury Jalloh. But I do request, that the actual state of the case is mentioned in the article.--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 12:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Helmut Hoppenstedt: You can make suggestions for improvements to the article at Talk:Death of Oury Jalloh provided that you include reliable sources for any new content that can be verified by other editors. German-language sources are fine but they must be available somewhere and preferably WP:secondary (so not court transcripts). Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I note that you have already copied your above German text onto that Talk page but it is likely to be ignored until you provide reliable sources for any information to be incorporated into the article itself. The taz source is not one I am personally familiar with. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:26, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I did exact that, what you requested, take a look at Talk:Death of Oury Jalloh: Die Zeitenwende im Klageerzwingungsverfahren can easy been read and found the way in several law-books in Germany. And berichtete die taz am 3.11.2021 in einem aktuellen Artikel is the latest newspaper-article from a well-known German newspaper. --Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 12:29, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, that's all fine (except that some sources appear to me to be blogs, which won't be acceptable as they have no editorial control). So you have done the right thing and I hope that someone who has the necessary language skills will incorporate the well-sourced parts into the article. Unfortunately, I don't have the necessary skills. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:35, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, Mr. Turnbull.--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 12:45, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The Oury Jalloh-case is again a subject of German television today.--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 14:22, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Copy: "Helmut Hoppenstedt is infinit banned in the German Wikipedia for all his different User-Names since 2019, cf. [4]. --95.130.162.46 (talk) 10:30, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

In der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia gibt es eine hervorragend organisierte AfD-Seilschaft, zu der auch der vorstehende Wikipedianer rechnet. Er nennt sich dort "Legatorix", sein bürgerlicher Name ist mir bekannt. Meine Sperrung in der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia beruht einzig und allein auf politischen Präferenzen, nicht auf fachlicher Kritik an meiner juristischen Arbeit. Aber zurück zur Sache: Mittlerweile hat die Initiative zur Aufklärung des Mordes an Oury Jalloh Strafanzeige wegen Strafvereitelung im Amt gem. § 258a StGB erstattet. Ich gehe davon aus, dass die deutschen Behörden ihre Politik der Vertuschung und Verschleierung fortsetzen werden. Deswegen halte ich es für ausgeschlossen, dass die deutschen Behörden die strafrechtlichen Vorwürfe in irgendeiner Weise aufklären werden."--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 12:16, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

On beck-blog the previous discussion is closed now, the discussion goes on there at Death of Oury Jalloh.--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 12:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Der politische Sumpf in Deutschland ist noch viel tiefer: Es gibt da nicht nur die hervorragend funktionierende AfD-Seilschaft in der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia, sondern auch den AfD-nahen Verlag C.H. Beck. Ich publiziere seit 2016, also seit fünf Jahren auf beck-blog, dem Blog des Verlag C.H. Beck und werde dort mehr und mehr zensiert. Die Zensur beruht auf einer eindeutigen politischen Zielrichtung. Zuletzt ging es dem Verlag C.H. Beck darum, den deutschen Politiker Hans-Georg Maaßen in Schutz zu nehmen: Ich hatte ihm auf beck-blog vorgeworfen, dass er die AfD in einem Prozess gegen den deutschen Verfassungsschutz mit Informationen versorgt, die er nur aus seiner Zeit als Präsident des deutschen Verfassungsschutzes haben kann. Das verstößt gegen anwaltliches Berufsrecht. Der AfD-nahe Verlag C.H. Beck machte durch seine "Moderation" meine Arbeit konsequent zunichte.--Helmut Hoppenstedt (talk) 13:14, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Rating Articles

there Is an article that is a stub and I’m wondering if I can somehow grade it as a stub article or does someone else have to do that Kaleeb18 (talk) 13:18, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18, yes you can. "Grades" below GA are informal and anyone can do them per WP:BOLD. More guidance at WP:ASSESS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, that would be presuming they know what a stub is & can tell it apart from a start. @Kaleeb18, if you aren’t using a script I suggest you use the Rater scrip instead of manually doing so(assuming you do) You can go here find and install it. Having said, considering you are relatively new, I wouldn’t advice you to be rating articles just yet albeit technically you can, but my advice would be for you to leave it aside for now. Celestina007 (talk) 14:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I did indeed presume they knew what a WP:STUB was, "grade it as a stub" implied it. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:57, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång, In some cases NEWBIES tend to say somethings without necessarily even understanding what they are saying nor asking, thus the onus is on us to guide them, however I think we have been of help to them. Celestina007 (talk) 16:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Well, they managed to get an article into mainspace, I think they can do it. Time will tell. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

yeah i was going off the grade scale on how I should grade the article. Im not just winging it and putting something down. Kaleeb18 (talk) 19:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Can someone tell me how to actually grade it though like I understand how the grading system works, but I still do not know how to grade an article. Im on the wikiproject Disney and Im trying to grade an article related to disney as a stub because it hasnt been rated yet. Like I want the grade i put in to show that wikiproject Disney rated it as a stub. Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: On the article's talk page, add |class=stub to {{WikiProject Disney}}, like Talk:Winnie the Pooh (song). Happy assessing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Thank you! Kaleeb18 (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Plagarism

Hello, well hunting for photographs I may have found plagarism. The article James M. Warner contains text identical to this webpage, https://vermontcivilwar.org/get.php?input=6189. Is this just a case of sites taking from Wikipedia. That is most likely but I don't know it could be something. Thanks in advance, sorry if this is a waste of time. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 14:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gandalf the Groovy: The article James M. Warner was created in 2006 by User:Vermontcivilwar, whose user page states "Vermont in the Civil War is my website", so it seems the same user was publishing similar content in two places. The user hasn't edited Wikipedia since 2009. GoingBatty (talk) 14:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty and Gandalf the Groovy: Well... Just because one Wikipedia user (retired since) claimed they maintained a website does not mean it is true. And the VCW website’s copyright notice is nowhere close to allowing CC-BY-SA relicensing, so technically this is a copyvio.

This being said, it sounds likely that the folks behind the VCW project could either confirm that one of them did edit Wikipedia back then (and therefore could release what they wrote on Wikipedia under CC-BY-SA), and/or release what they can under CC-BY-SA. Maybe a nice email would do the trick? Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 18:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Abdullah Al-Lafi

This person is notable but only wants more sources and I am a new editor so can anyone add reliable sources and note he is notable but I am unable to find right source to cite UserABCXYZ (talk) 15:20, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@ABCXYZ: I do agree that this subject appears like he may be notable, though I can't say for sure. If you're unable to find English sources, you're welcome to use Arabic-language sources or any other language you'd like (we'd just prefer you try English sources first, all else being the same). Just make sure to translate the title using the trans-title parameter in your citations. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I forget

Where's the administrators' noticeboard for undisclosed paid editing again? I could've sworn there was one apart from the main noticeboard. Asking for a friend. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The WP:PAID guidance has a section 9 where the two alternative ways to report are mentioned. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:55, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

TheTechnician27, except private material is involved, per PAID, WP:ANI/I is an acceptable place to report undisclosed paid editing. Celestina007 (talk) 15:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Al Watan Newspaper UAE

Hello Senior Editors !

Can someone help me add Al Watan Newspaper (UAE) page on Wikipedia ? I can provide you with the newspaper references, it’s my first edit and I am a bit struggling to get it right. Merymans (talk) 15:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Merymans: Maybe somebody will respond more warmly than me since you did go through the effort to disclose your paid affiliation, but broadly, volunteer editors don't see it as their job to help somebody earn a paycheck, especially after their draft has been declined by another volunteer editor. The problem right now – admittedly unlike a lot of declined, paid drafts whose issue is that they're purely promotional – that the draft lacks reliable, independent sources. These sources can be in any language if sources aren't available in English, but at least a majority of them have to be from sources that are reliable (e.g. have an editorial staff) and which have no affiliation with the subject Al Watan. I would also suggest changing the title of the draft to Al Watan (UAE). That part I can help with if you'd like. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:38, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Merymans: I would also suggest checking the Arabic Wikipedia to see if there's an article there that you may be able to translate over. Obviously there are different policies for notability, so you couldn't just translate it over wholesale and expect it to pass muster, but it's worth looking in my opinion. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:42, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia users

How can we stop people from vandalism, we want people to stay on this site, not be ip banned. Wawasee124 (talk) 15:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Wawasee124. If you're interested, we have an article on this over at Vandalism on Wikipedia. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 15:43, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Wawasee124, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I’m afraid you can not entirely stop nor obliterate vandalism. Celestina007 (talk) 15:56, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Wawasee124:, there is one helpful way: blocking vandalisers (If that's even a word, lol). If we block them, they'll learn from their mistakes, and someday, we will hopefully end vandalism. But it doesn't look like it's happening any time soon, sadly. Also, only admins can do that, which makes us even more limited. I want to be an admin someday... WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 22:09, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@WaterflameIsAwesome: The word you're looking for is vandal. Vandalism is going to be a persistent thorn in Wikipedia's side, as some of it comes from people who do such things because of online anonymity. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:12, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Looking for help creating a new article

Hi folks. Newbie here. I did my homework, read all the advice about creating a text, gathered my sources and then put together a modest page about a company I think is interesting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Fernride. I'm humbly aware of the shortcomings of the piece, but I based every single sentence on a third-party, independent and notable news source (some major newspapers and news sites). I carefully ignored any press releases or direct quotes from the company. I'm truly grateful for some guidance regarding style, considering I'm not allowing myself to write anything that isn't in a reference. Thanks folks for your generous work! Amlotjon (talk) 15:49, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Amlotjon, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, please is there a specific question you seek to ask? You have just made a statement. However Slywriter has declined the article. Furthermore it isn’t probable to internalize our policies pertaining to organizational notability in just eight days. Celestina007 (talk) 15:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The source transport uses the words "According to Press Release...", Microsoft is not a reliable source as they are writing about a partner. The topic may very well be notable, but the sources are not clear that they are independent of the subject. Additionally, the tone of the article is a concern. It reads like a brochure about the company, not an encyclopedic entry. Slywriter (talk) 16:46, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both for these comments. I apologise for not being clearer. I accept the weaknesses, especially regarding the style. My question is: Is there somewhere here where I can find guidelines and recommendations regarding the tone, as it is apparently lacking. I have been led to believe that Wikipedia encourages people to learn and start editing, and I'm willing to learn. For example, how can I prove that the Sueddeutsche Zeitung is independent of the company Fernride? Is the rejection permanent or should I try to improve the piece? If so, do you have any constructive suggestions apart from pointing out my obvious lack of experience? Thanks! Amlotjon (talk) 21:27, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Slywriter Amlotjon when a draft article has been declined (which your's has been) it means it is not acceptable as it is now written; when a draft has been rejected it means your article will never be able to be accepted. Towards the bottom of Draft:Fernride's declined box it says "If you would like to continue working on the submission, click on the 'Edit' tab at the top of the window." So that means you are able to work on improving your submission.

I started to read your draft, but it is a subject I know nothing about, so I won't be able to give you help specific to your article. However I will give some advice that may be of help to you. Before I began working on my first Wikipedia article I read about five Wiki articles on similar subjects. I planned to write about a 19th century children's magazine, so I read Wikipedia articles on every children's magazine I could think of, to see what type of information was included, and the style of writing used. Unfortunately I don't know any Transportation as a Service companies, so I can't suggest any articles that you may be able to use as a guide.

Perhaps others will write you better advice, but reading and studying accepted Wikipedia articles is what helped me the most. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:00, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

@Karenthewriter: Perhaps you meant to reply to Amlotjon? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:23, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Yikes, I did put in the wrong name, I hope my strike through helps clarify. Karenthewriter (talk) 13:36, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

An encyclopedia entry shouldn't look like a brochure for investors or potential clients. For example, investment rounds are rarely relevant. Quotes that push the virtues of an experimental product come across as non-neutral. Sueddeutsche Zeitung is independent but that's one source and should be looking for more sources like them and less trade magazine, partners who are only going to print/discuss the positives. Slywriter (talk) 01:39, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Can I use this image as 'fair use'?

The "Region Aquitaine" logo in this website or this website. It also exists in French Wikipedia. Excellenc1 (talk) 15:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

• What constitutes "fair use" depends on context, I can't really say either way without knowing the purpose for which it is to be used. But if you know which article it would be used for, WP:NFCC will show you the criteria it would have to meet in order to count. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 16:10, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

  @Excellenc1: Were you thinking about using it on the Regional Council of Aquitaine article? I noted that the infobox website link is dead. GoingBatty (talk) 16:39, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

• @Excellenc1: There's a page at Wikipedia, WP:MCQ, that is patrolled by people who have particular expertise in copyright questions. Perhaps that would be a good place to ask this question? --Jayron32 16:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Yes, I am using it for Regional Council of Aquitaine. The website link is dead because this council, since 2016/2017, is a part of the Regional Council of Nouvelle-Aquitaine. Excellenc1 (talk) 04:53, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Sources

FYI

 – Added section header. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 16:35, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

What qualifies as a credible source nowadays? OldNatchezTrace (talk) 16:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

• @OldNatchezTrace: see WP:Reliable sources. For examples, see WP:RSP. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 16:40, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
• @OldNatchezTrace hello and welcome to the Teahouse, to be honest with you sourcing and source analysis is difficult as it is more of an art than a science. The blanket response to what constitutes a good source is (1) a reputation for for fact checking & (2) presence of editorial oversight. Having said, in actuality it transcends that, it is an art that you learn overtime. My colleague Sdkb was gracious enough to link you to the appropriate content guideline, go through it and if you are finding any part there difficult to grasp, please don’t hesitate to ask here. Celestina007 (talk) 20:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank You Celestina007 I appreciate the wisdom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OldNatchezTrace (talk • contribs) 21:47, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

We are always here to be of support when required. Celestina007 (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Issuing multiple warnings for multiple instances of vandalism

If I see obvious vandalism, I often check to see if there's other articles that person vandalized in the past, and issue warnings for those too if that hasn't already been done. I've always had mixed feelings about doing that; on the one hand, it does quickly justify a block for multiple offenders, but on the other hand, I think that the rationale for multiple warnings is to give the offender the chance to think about what they're doing and stop on their own before getting slapped with a block, and just piling several increasingly severe warnings onto them onto them at the same time may not be in the spirit of why there's multiple warnings to begin with.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:47.181.75.27

I would appreciate any guidance. Ormewood (talk) 16:41, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ormewood: Give an appropriate warning for any vandalism that occurred since the last warning, escalating the warning level if the last warning was a long time ago or it isn't clear that the person using the IP address is the same person as last time. Generally you don't need to go through all four warning levels. Depending on the situation, a second level warning is appropriate to start with, or a 3rd level warning can be skipped, especially if it's obvious the warnings are being ignored. In the example you linked above, all the warnings were given after the last edit by the user. One would be enough. And then another if the vandalism continues. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:29, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Help submitting an article on NMR scientist Alfred G Redfield. 130+ citations

Dear Tea House Denizen, I am working on an article about the NMR scientist, Alfred G. Redfield. I have the structure worked out and I am painstakingly outlining the science he did in my sandbox:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sainswreitr/sandbox

I will soon fill out his biography and am looking at great biography examples that are around. I need help launching it. I thought I submitted a kernel with an introductory paragraph, contents, and a long list of citations (mainly his published works in scientific journals) on June 22, 2021, but nothing has happened! What I did was, delete most of the article except the kernel, and hit the submit button. But then I re-added the deleted material and continued working in my sandbox. I suppose I did it wrong. My understanding is, I ought to load the article incrementally so that if sections are deleted, they are deleted incrementally. I need help, just now to submit for approval, but then also with the delicate matter of accurate yet interesting science writing. This topic is not for everyone, many physicists don’t like it because it is hard conceptually, plus the math. I am just surfing the vocabulary myself. Who would be interested in this topic? What would you suggest in terms of getting a stub going on it? I will be done pretty soon and want to see it gets published in any form. I already approached RockMagnetist on October 27, 2021 and waiting for a response. Sincerely, Sainswreitr (talk) 16:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC) Sainswreitr (talk) 16:51, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You haven't submitted it for review. Before you try to do so, however, you need clearly to demonstrate his notability. The vast majority of the "references" which you have given are to works written by the subject. What you need is to show what has been written about the subject by independent reliable sources. If there are such sources they may be swamped by your 130+ other citations. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:03, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

The reason for lack of response from User:RockMagnetist may be that for some unexplained reason you generated a subpage User talk:RockMagnetist/Article ideas in the user's talk space; he may not be aware of its existence. I notice also, however, that he has not been regularly active on Wikipedia recently, and has made no contributions since you tried to contact him. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: Right on both counts. And if I had been aware of its existence, I would have made much the same suggestions as you and Sainswrietr. RockMagnetist(talk) 01:09, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Sainswreitr and welcome to the Teahouse. The article about Redfield needs to be reorganized. First you need to show that he is well-enough known for a Wikipedia article with references that are independent of his papers. See the criteria at Wikipedia:Notability (academics) and how to reorganize this at User:StarryGrandma/Writing an article about a professor or researcher. He is a Fellow of the American Physical Society (which meets our requirements) but you haven't provided a reference for that. Every statement in the article needs a source. Writing a Wikipedia article is hard; an encyclopedia article is different from most types of writing. But we do want articles that show how a scientist and his work developed. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:31, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sainswreitr: You haven't, for example, cited the biography by Pochapsky or used the other sources in the corresponding article in the Polish wikipedia pl:Alfred_G._Redfield. You should cut most of the primary references to Redfield and submit a draft based on secondary sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

my fb artist page in "external links" @ my wikipedia entry

In re: "Kevin Dunn (musician)" -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Dunn_(musician)?fbclid=IwAR0ThNu3gFyvNFyu-1eVCw0ay_apfXNA1V25h52dxaF3_nfhcjOeo8cWkZs )

Look, I don't have time to acquaint myself fully with all your policies, so how's 'bout somebody authoritatively answer this question so I can get on with my life: can I or can I not provide at my entry a link to MY OWN (fully under my and my approved co-admins' management and monitoring) Facebook artist page in "External Links"? It is effectively the "official site", which my cursory survey of dos and don'ts suggested was acceptable. Thanks awfully. 2600:6C5A:477F:891A:E9B8:DCA3:A8BF:4E8B (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Yes, it's appropriate for the Wikipedia article to have an official site link per WP:ELOFFICIAL. However, it is not appropriate for anyone to edit a Wikipedia article about themselves, per Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. You may post suggestions on the article talk page Talk:Kevin Dunn (musician), or use the Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard. Thanks for asking! GoingBatty (talk) 19:18, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse, my colleague GoingBatty has answered your question, please we understand that you may be upset but please note that your tone comes across as passive aggressive, please try and bare with us as we are also human and are merely volunteers. Celestina007 (talk) 21:08, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps, "...bear with us..."? Personally, I never have my camera connected while editing Wikipedia, and would be offended if that became a requirement, clothed or not. David notMD (talk) 21:30, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

David notMD Huh? WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 22:05, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

(Feeble) attempt at humor after Celestina007 wrote "bare with us." David notMD (talk) 22:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Guess it's time to start my own, then... —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:17, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu, an OnlyFans? Lmao. Celestina007 (talk) 22:21, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Viewing articles by their issues

Hi, Is there any way to view articles pages based off their tagged issues? For example, if I wanted to see all articles tagged with "one source" or something of the like. Thanks much, Gageills (talk) 18:58, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You can, for instance, look at hidden categories. Ruslik_Zero 19:07, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Gageills (talk) 19:12, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gageills:Also, check out this page and this page. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 19:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

That second link is exactly what I was looking for. Thanks a million :-) Gageills (talk) 19:15, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Notability criteria for sports games

Hello! So I found an article for a men's basketball championship game with no sources. I attempted to find sources for it and found none that would determine it's notability. Is there some specific notability criteria for sports games or is GNG acceptable in this case? For those who are wondering the article is 1986 NCAA Division I Men's Basketball Championship Game ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:35, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I think it may fall under WP:NSPORTSEVENT, but even though it may be notable the guideline there says you need sources. RudolfRed (talk) 19:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Alright! Most of the sources I"m finding are obvious UGC (they're from a blog website), however I could just not be searching correctly. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:04, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Random question, but how do people come from AMAZON to wikipedia?

So I was stumbling down a wiki-wormhole (as I often do) today, and I came across this factoid from Alexa that stated that people come from various tools to wikipedia. One tool is a standard search engine (and that part makes obvious sense), but other methods were YouTube, or even amazon.com. Now YouTube I don't quite get, but maybe the videos are tied back to wp somehow, but amazon? How and where is there any linking from amazon back to wikipedia? That part just didn't make any sense to me!

Thanks for helping to answer my random AF curiosity of the day! Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 20:52, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Welcome to the Teahouse! Where on that web page does it state that people come from amazon.com to Wikipedia? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 21:25, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

I would screenshot it for you, except I haven't figured out how to do that yet (with all the copyright issues with uploading pictures to this site). That would bring up another question of mine (is there an easy way to upload a SCREENSHOT for purposes of clarifying a question etc? I'd be find with deleting it right after..). Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 21:28, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue: I'd recommend uploading the image to a free photo hosting website like Flickr and then sharing the link here. ––FormalDude talk 21:33, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Good question! I know YouTube has joined forces with encyclopedias in order to to provide easier access to credible and authoritative information and combat disinformation. On some YouTube videos there may be a notice about the historical event with a link to an reputable encyclopedia. See this article about YouTube teaming up with Britannica. Otherwise, Youtube still allows links in comments and video descriptions, and people may be directed to Wikipedia from YouTube that way.

I'm sure there's also Wikipedia content and links incorporated into the vast online marketplace that is Amazon. I'm not sure how exactly, but the fact that people come to Wikipedia from Amazon does not surprise me. I know Amazon's Alexa (not to be confused with Alexa.com) uses Wikipedia. ––FormalDude talk 21:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Fascinating @FormalDude:! I had no idea that Amazon Alexa uses wikipedia!!! That is truly interesting, and maybe frightening.. I am not sure how I feel about all this interconnectedness. Do you have a source for that factoid? Thanks! Th78blue (They/Them/Theirs • talk) 21:37, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Check out the article that Cullen linked below. ––FormalDude talk 05:30, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Just asking, how exactly DOES Alexa access and use Wikipedia (I know you can access articles on it, as I have an Alexa device myself, but is that what you mean?)? Sorry if you aren't supposed to ask questions on other people's questions. WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 21:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@WaterflameIsAwesome: I think this has gone beyond the scope of the help desk. Try asking at WP:RDC RudolfRed (talk) 01:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

WaterflameIsAwesome, here is an article that explains how Alexa gets much of the information it uses to answer questions from Wikipedia. The Alexa software needs to query Wikipedia in order to obtain the information needed to provide those answers. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Fun fact: this has resulted in vandalism being read by Alexa speakers! ––FormalDude talk 05:29, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I @ people

I am looking for a way to @ people. I've seen on the Teahouse and various users' talk pages people being @ed. How do I do this so I can help people more? WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 21:50, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You can use {{re}} for this. {{re|WaterflameIsAwesome}} produced @WaterflameIsAwesome: RudolfRed (talk) 21:54, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for helping @RudolfRed:! I appreciate it! WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 21:59, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

@WaterflameIsAwesome: You'll find more information on this in WP:PING. Be advised, though, some editors find pinging to be annoying and have set their preferences so that they can't be pinged, while others simply ignore them; so, a message posted to a user talk page might be better if you're trying to get someone's attention about something really important. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Admins

I want to become an admin, just because I really want to feel like a major part of Wikipedia. But how? I just wanted to know, how can I prove myself to be worthy of an admin? If I had admin, I would be vandalism's worst enemy. Please tell me how I can prove myself. WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 22:16, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You have already been temporarily blocked for blatant vandalism, which is the exact opposite of being Administrator-worthy. Ask again after several years and thousands of useful edits. David notMD (talk) 22:18, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

You don't need to be an admin to fight vandalism. When you're ready to be productive, check out WP:CVA RudolfRed (talk) 23:13, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

WaterflameIsAwesome, you have 55 edits so far and your most edited Wikipedia article is 2021 World Series which you vandalized and that resulted in a block. So, you have dug yourself into a deep hole regarding your reputation on Wikipedia, and you will have to do years of good work to overcome your big mistakes at the beginning of editing Wikipedia. So, improve articles in accordance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, write new policy compliant articles, participate in behind-the-scenes work to improve and defend the encyclopedia, be polite and helpful at all times, and prove through several years of good work that you are here to improve the encyclopedia instead of being a jerk. That is your only hope. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

WaterflameIsAwesome, why would you want to be an administrator? This is not a rhetorical question: if at some point in the future you are put forward to become one, you will get asked, "What is it that you want to do that you need admin tools to do?" I have been an editor since 2005, and made almost 20 000 edits, but I have never considered asking to be an admin, because I can provide all the services I want to provide to Wikipedia without it. --ColinFine (talk) 08:57, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

WaterflameIsAwesome just to add to what others have written please be aware that you can become a major part of Wikipedia without being an admin. Edit articles, report vandals to WP:AIV, fix spelling errors etc etc. There are so many things to do around here and, as WikiP is dynamic, the work never ends. MarnetteD|Talk 09:08, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Citations in other languages

Hi! I have a question about citations. I would like to know if citations in a language other than English, is okay to use on an English article and if that would be counted as Notable. Mvcervi (talk) 04:55, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Mvcervi! The relevant policy is at Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English sources: Citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed on the English Wikipedia. However, because this project is in English, English-language sources are preferred over non-English ones when available and of equal quality and relevance. So yes, they are allowed and count towards notability as long as they are reliable, independent, and contain significant coverage of the subject. DanCherek (talk) 05:50, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Source and Citation

Can I use Internet Archive as a source? 2409:4063:4D8E:91EA:0:0:33C9:2306 (talk) 06:05, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

It depends entirely on whether the page that was archived is a reliable source. It's very unlikely you would actually be citing the Internet Archive rather than an archived page. We frequently use archived copies of pages as references. Meters (talk) 06:35, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Questions about references

I was looking for a reference to Riemann's existence theorem and found the following reference;Harbater, David. "Patching and Galois theory" (PDF). Dept. of Mathematics, University of Pennsylvania. (https://www.math.upenn.edu/)

However, I noticed that this is included in the next book; Schneps, Leila (21 July 2003). Galois Groups and Fundamental Groups. ISBN 9780521808316.

Which template should I use when citeing? SilverMatsu (talk) 08:18, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

corporation

 94.206.207.180 (talk) 10:31, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, do you have a question about editing Wikipedia? ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 10:37, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

May i Create an article that was deleted last time because created by Blocked user

Hello, May i Create an article that was deleted before because it was created by Blocked or banned user? See Hindu Army it is notable but was deleted because created by Blocked user. This NGO is Active in Uttar Pradesh. Please help me i wants to contribute. Bihariboy Rahul (talk) 12:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

New Submitter, Article Rejected, No Clear Reason Why that I can see

New Participant, first article rejected.

I am working on a museum exhibit based on a historic photo album about a factory in my hometown. My work has included months of archival research and I thought it would be fun to post an article about the plant since there is no mention of it in Wikipedia. My submission includes numerous primary source cites and photos from the album but was rejected (after many months of waiting). Claims it it was not written in "encyclopedic" form but I don't really see it that way.

Draft:Republic Stamping and Enameling

I do have to say that I am pretty surprised as I experience this entire Wikipedia process that it is so drawn out. Is the submission process a guessing game? Kind of disappointing. Sponhour (talk) 12:34, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Sponhour Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have asked this on another page. Please only use one method of seeking assistance at a time, to avoid duplication of effort. 331dot (talk) 12:45, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:WikiProject_Articles_for_creation/Help_desk is the other place where Sponhour has posted the question, in case anyone wishes to respond to it there. I'm replying here because I consider this to be a more general issue. This is a clear case of a newcomer writing, in good faith, a half-way decent article, and getting a thoroughly unhelpful response. The test at AfC is supposed to be "would this article get immediately deleted again?", and I am quite certain that the tone in which this draft is written would not cause it to be deleted. I think it might struggle on sourcing and proof of notability. Yes, it's okay to use sources that are not online, and sources that are hard to get, but generally an article on a company will need at least some sources that are, at a glance, obviously secondary, and discuss the company independently, at some depth. If nothing is available online, the author of the article is going to have to make a very good case that the company was notable, because people nowadays are biased towards the idea that if something is notable, someone, somewhere, will have written something about it that's available in electronic form. But that is not why the article was declined. It was declined for writing-style, which is patently not the problem. It is certainly true that AfC is a lottery. You might get your article reviewed in an hour, it might take 6 months, and you might get it reviewed by a sympathetic, dedicated reviewer who provides accurate feedback, or...

In the end, it is this sort of action by AfC reviewers that puts off potential contributors to WP. This review, frankly, was not adequate, and Sponhour's response is rather mild considering how I would have felt. I can only assume the original reviewer intended to decline on basis of sources, but hit the wrong button?? Elemimele (talk) 13:26, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

13:57, 5 November 2021 (UTC)~

Thank you for this response and information. I guess my thought was that making the effort to find obscure sources and to dig deep into the historical record and produce new content would be seen as a positive in Wikipedia-land but I take it that is not really the case? It sounds like the ideal is that an author is instead rounding up articles by others that cite original research? That was not obvious to me having like most others read thousands of Wikipedia entries over the years, including many on arcane or obscure topics. I have always seen Wikipedia as the place where info/facts about something might live even if they do not have an obvious home elsewhere. There also seems to be risk of recency bias - that subjects that do not enjoy a significant 21st Century online presence will be seen as "obscure." In the case of my little submission, this is about a factory that employed thousands of people in my hometown and was documented by a worker/amateur photographer whose album has been recovered after being lost for decades and was featured in a long story in our hometown newspaper. My hope was to help bolster Wikipedia's content about our community using a lot of archival and historical documents, of which I only cited a small amount in the interests of space. Now I am not really sure where I go with this. Thoughts?

George Everett Mayne CPR Railway Biography 1918 - 1963 youtube documentary as external link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Pacific_Railway

I am not sure about the correct format for adding this external link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJKU41n1Zdo Asabara54 (talk) 12:51, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Reliable Source?

Brief Introduction: NCERT is an educational charitable organisation registered under Societies' Registration Act. It is an Autonomous Body i.e. very independent. They are controversial.

Question: Can I use them for reference in Educational Articles? 2409:4063:4D8E:91EA:0:0:33C9:2306 (talk) 13:08, 5 November 2021 (UTC)