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Biography's editing

Hi, I'm new here. I took the task to improve the biography of Benjamin Schwarz (writer). I haven't found any obvious mistakes & simply added a bulleted list. What else could be improved there? Thank you for your help!BeeJeeJay (talk) 11:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC) BeeJeeJay (talk) 11:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

From your list, BeeJeeJay, I happened to choose architecture. The claim isn't referenced; but no matter, because what's mentioned in the lead of an article is normally stated at more length in the body of the article. But there's a problem: There's no mention of architecture (or none that I notice) in the body. So what's the source for the claim that he's written about architecture? As for other problems, how about "His wife, Christina, is the author of the bestselling novel, Drowning Ruth"? How do we know that she's his wife; and what, if anything, does "bestselling" actually mean? -- Hoary (talk) 12:14, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

BeeJeeJay only changed a comma-separated list to a bulleted list.[1] I don't think the lead is suited for a bulleted list. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:17, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Tsk tsk, I'd been too sleepy/lazy to check the history. BeeJeeJay, check that the inclusion in the list of every item is shown in the body text to be justified. Remove any (such as architecture) that is not backed up, with a solid reference, in the body text. And then convert what's left to a comma-separated list. -- Hoary (talk) 12:23, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Done that, thank you! BeeJeeJay (talk) 09:13, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

I checked, his wife's book's been on Amazon's bestsellers list. 2 questions:

1. How do you usually verify that people are married?

2. Should I create an article about his wife, too? BeeJeeJay (talk) 09:16, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@BeeJeeJay:, to your questions:

1. The same way you verify anything else in Wikipedia, namely: you find a reliable source that says that they are married, and then you add a citation to the source you found.
2. Writing a new article is a difficult task, and is usually better approached once you are an experienced editor. There's a risk that you could create an entire article, only to see it deleted after all that work. That said, you're not prohibited from attempting it, and if you want to try anyway, see WP:Your first article.

Hope this helps, Mathglot (talk) 01:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Automatically merge duplicate citations

Is there a way to automatically merge duplicate references into named references? Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 12:57, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps Wikipedia:reFill does that, but not always elegantly. Another way is to name one and replace the other ones with that one manually. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:40, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 13:43, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps: This is one of AWB's general fixes, but only if there are other named references in the article. GoingBatty (talk) 14:12, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps:, if the duplicate references are named in the style of Visual Editor numeric references, simply consolidating them doesn't always yield wikicode that is any easier for an editor to edit than it was before. In that case, I'd recommend installing the user script User:Nardog/RefRenamer and using that. Mathglot (talk) 01:16, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Some articles' titles are italic?

I'm confused, some articles are italic and some are not. Like Pokemon Trading Card Game. Why is the title italic? Waterard (talk) 22:13, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Waterard, and welcome to the Teahouse. The list of things to be in italics in MOS:ITALICTITLE includes Video games, board games, trading card games. ColinFine (talk) 22:20, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

@Waterard and ColinFine: There also exist articles whose titles are partially italic and partially upright, for example: Harry Potter (film series). CiaPan (talk) 06:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Why?

Why do bots come here and just delete peoples questions do they want the people to not find the answer? WONKAKlD (talk) 19:18, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, WONKAKlD, and welcome to the Teahouse! Questions are archived after 2-3 days with no new comments in the topic, but these questions are still available. You can search the archives using the box right below the table of contents at the top right of the page. If questions were never archived and simply remained on the page, the page would be so long that it would be near-impossible to navigate - here is an example of a recent archive, and there are 1191 archives just like that one. If you're looking for questions you have asked previously, you can find them in your contributions. It isn't that big of a deal if questions are asked multiple times, people are happy to help. Tollens (talk) 19:27, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@WONKAKlD I agree it can be irritating to find that your question has been archived and, even if you see it in your contribution history the link there won't work because that link is not updated to the new archival location. The solution is to "subscribe" to the thread where you asked the question: you do that by clicking the link to the far right at the beginning of the thread's title: the Why? in the case here. Once subscribed, you will receive notification every time a new edit is made in that thread AND you'll be notified when the thread is archived so you'll know it won't get any more answers. The "subscribe" tool is available on all Talk Page sections and each acts independently so I find it extremely useful. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@WONKAKlD:: Welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to the answers you've been given above, you may want to try out the Convenient Discussions script. Not only does it provide some more features than the current Discussion tool as well as highlight new responses and yours, if you look for a section that's archived, the script will try and scour through the page's archives to see if it can find it for you. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: WONKAKlD

Advice on formatting entry and references

The UNDRR have a page United Nations Office for Disaster Risk Reduction. There are direct links in-line within the content section 'risk knowledge' to a website owned and run by UNDRR such as [2]https://www.preventionweb.net/ See the 'Risk Knowledge' section. I wanted to add an additional section or link to an educational game resource and website from the UNDRR aimed at schools and universities called Stop Disasters [3]https://www.stopdisastersgame.org/ and the studio who produced it https://playerthree.com/portfolio/stop-disasters.

The addition was removed as possibly considered promotional and also shouldn't have been linked in-line to an external website, plus didn't include enough book or publication references. There are more UN sites that reference the project such as https://unric.org/en/stop-disasters/, https://www.preventionweb.net/publication/play-and-learn-stop-disasters but also academic papers such as https://www.researchgate.net/publication/316010486_Stop_Disasters_20_Video_Games_as_Tools_for_Disaster_Risk_Reduction and https://www.academia.edu/30067608/Stop_Disaster_Game_Experiment_with_Elementary_School_Students_in_Rio_de_Janeiro_building_safety_culture . I would love some help or advice on how to add this project by the UNDRR and in doing some where the external link should be placed and which of the references are more important. Was the link to the website considered promotional? or was it the reference to the production studio who created it? Any help and advice is very welcomed. MrGravois (talk) 21:44, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

MrGravois, the content you added to United Nations Office for Disaster Risk Reduction contained a direct external link, contrary to Wikipedia policy; and was referenced to a source which was not independent of the subject. I'm not surprised that it was removed. Maproom (talk) 20:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Reversion

Suppose I edit an article on day X, and then I edit it further on a later day Y. If someone wants to revert edit X, will that also revert edit Y? Johsebb (talk) 22:30, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

No. And usually they cannot revert X, unless they manually edit the article and remove the text, because the edits in Y make an automatic revert impossible. However, if someone else wants to revert everything after and including X, they can do that by restoring the article to a previous version. -- asilvering (talk) 22:54, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering: So how does one revert a number of edits (say 10-12 edits) all together?-1Firang (talk) 02:17, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@1Firang Go to the article history, click on the version you want to revert back to, and then click "restore this version" (should show up in a box at the top of the screen). -- asilvering (talk) 02:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Asilvering: I presume that this can't be done on a mobile?-1Firang (talk) 03:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@1Firang I would assume it can, but I don't use the mobile app, so I can't tell you how. -- asilvering (talk) 03:27, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

It can if you're in desktop view. Maybe otherwise too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:44, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks Asilvering and Gråbergs Gråa Sång.-1Firang (talk) 15:45, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia interface

My Wikipedia interface looks like that of a computer. Every time I open Wikipedia on my phone, the letters are so small that I have to rotate my phone to be able to see them properly. It wasn't like this before. What happened? Raquiolinha (talk) 00:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Raquiolinha, welcome to the Teahouse. If there is a "Mobile view" link at the bottom of pages then tap that. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:35, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I did tap that. The letters are still small as hell. It's like it thinks that my phone is a computer. And the strange thing is that with Wikiquote and Wikisource that doesn't happen at all. Raquiolinha (talk) 02:12, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Did it stop saying "Mobile view"? After tapping it should say "Desktop" instead at the bottom. If it does then I don't know why it's still small. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:34, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Are you using the Wikipedia app? Or are you using a browser on your phone to go to the https://en.m.wikipedia.org mobile website? Or something else? GoingBatty (talk) 03:58, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I'm using the browser. I don't like the app. Raquiolinha (talk) 07:29, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha If you're still encountering the issue, try going to WP:Enable mobile version and click the "Go to the mobile website" link, this should redirect you to Mobile View. Alternatively, you can also manually append the front of the URL from https://en.wikipedia.org to https://en.m.wikipedia.org. If both solutions fails, try looking through your phone settings, if you've accidentally set the font size to small, you can refer to the following links: For Android (general only) or For iOS. If all three solutions isn't the expected result, you're looking for, kindly provide a screenshot. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:04, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

How do I provide a screenshot? Raquiolinha (talk) 11:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha You upload via WP:FUW by following the instructions there. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:03, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Here's the link: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Providing_a_screenshot_for_Teahouse_matters_(or_at_least_trying).jpg Raquiolinha (talk) 13:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: It's the mobile view as it should be but it looks like you have disabled "Enable responsive mode" or "Enable limited width mode" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. They are enabled by default. Try enabling both if they are disabled now. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:41, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Where are those options? Raquiolinha (talk) 14:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: If your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering isn't the default "Vector (2022)" then you may have to select that first. The mentioned options should appear below the skin selection. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:05, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I already selected the skin. letters still small. did you change this on purpose? Is this how I view Wikipedia on my phone now? because it's really messy having to zoom the screen constantly. Raquiolinha (talk) 15:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: The only way I can reproduce your screenshot is by disabling the mentioned options. Do you see the options at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering when "Vector (2022)" is enabled? Are the options enabled? What is the operating system and browser on your phone? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I didn't want you to reproduce my screenshot. That screenshot was to show the issue. Do you mind if I provide you with another screenshot, this time on another Wikipedia site, just to show you how I wanted the Wikipedia interface to be like? Raquiolinha (talk) 19:04, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: You misunderstand: PrimeHunter was unable to replicate the issue as described in your screenshot. It would help if you would answer his questions. If the interface differs on another project it's most likely a skin issue. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

But I didn't want him to replicate the issue. what was in the screenshot was the issue that I wanted to get rid of. Raquiolinha (talk) 19:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Being able to replicate an issue on a different device is an important step in fixing the issue - if they can't figure out how your device is configured they cannot fix it. If you answer the questions they asked, we may be able to help: Do you see the options at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering when "Vector (2022)" is enabled? Are the options enabled? What is the operating system and browser on your phone? Tollens (talk) 19:47, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, I'm using Chrome, if that's what you're asking Raquiolinha (talk) 20:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Do you see the options "Enable responsive mode" and "Enable limited width mode" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering when "Vector (2022)" is selected? Are the options enabled? PLEASE ANSWER! I'm trying to help but you make it hard. I have an iPhone. It sounds like you have an Android device. I cannot test what happens there. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:24, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry for the late answer. I was sleeping. And yes, I do see those options enabled. Raquiolinha (talk) 09:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: Thanks for answering. Sorry it doesn't help. Is the text small when you click here: safemode? Is the text small if you log out? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I tried both options. The text remains small. Raquiolinha (talk) 12:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: It sounds like an Android/Chrome issue I cannot help with. iPhone uses iOS/Safari. Maybe this can help but I fear it would just mean you have to scroll horizontally to see the whole width of pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

argh. It's alright. Thanks for your help anyway. Raquiolinha (talk) 12:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Raquiolinha: There is probably a way to fix it in Chrome but I don't know how. A radical solution is to not use Chrome at all but install the Wikipedia app for Android: Help:Mobile access#Android. Many things will be different from the Chrome you are used to. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I once installed the app, just to see how it was. I didn't like the fact that, like Google, the app also saves my searches. Raquiolinha (talk) 12:43, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

how to gain access to extended protection editing

i wanna know how to gain access to extended protection editing YEAAAAAALOL (talk) 02:09, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Good day,

According to wp:XCON, you need 30 days and 500 edits of experience. ✶Mitch199811✶ 02:13, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Until then, you can use the edit request wizard to request edits on protected pages. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:29, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

ok thanks for the information YEAAAAAALOL (talk) 01:48, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

What's the role of teahouse hosts?

I've been a regular here, but I am still confused about what roles Teahouse hosts have here. Is their job to clerk discussions? Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 02:47, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps: As far as I can tell it just means you call yourself a host, and I understand your confusion because nowhere does it clarify the meaning of being a host - Apmh 03:42, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Back when the Teahouse started one of the fundamental aims was to create a welcoming space - introducing the "hosts" who would be answering questions was part of that process. Rather than being helped by unknwon Wikipedian's you could be helped by people who had nice introductions and were chosen because of their commitment to maintaining the friendly environment being targeted. I think it was a good idea - part of making this a bit special. - Bilby (talk) 04:11, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Carpimaps Those who regularly provide answers at the Teahouse (like myself) may or may not formally be hosts: I am not. Those who have volunteered for the formal title have their names rotated through the welcome banner at the top of the page. They sign up using this page, which contains the criteria to do so. There are many historical accounts of the setting up of the Teahouse and the host system in the archives of its Talk Page. The most recent of these is WT:Teahouse/Archive_26#Deletion of inactive Teahouse hosts, if you are interested. Teahouse hosts do not have a "job to clerk discussions", or any other job. They are just people who believe they can assist the overall Project by answering questions from mainly novice editors, without expressing irritation when the same questions come up repeatedly. To be clear: anyone may answer questions here at the Teahouse but the main expectation is that the answer you give should be accurate and in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

User:Minister Joseph Lb

Hello. I'm not sure how to ask an administrator but please could someone remove this user page from Category:Worship and the other content categories they have added themselves to. They also have a sandbox page with the same problem. Thank you in advance. 2A02:C7C:ACA7:4600:49DC:2D0:4F4:293A (talk) 04:34, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Self promo now deleted. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:02, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! When you spot this issue in the future, you can edit the user page to change the categories to category links by adding an extra colon. (e.g. [[Category:Worship]] to [[:Category:Worship]]). Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 15:13, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Research institute in Iran

Hello, I want to write an article about a research institute in Iran. Due to the limited access to the Internet, I was able to find a series of news and websites that mentioned the Royan Center, for example, one of these sources was for UNESCO, in which Royan was mentioned. Written, but the article was not registered. My question is how can I find more resources about this important institution like Royan with limited internet access? In addition, I must say that Royan Institute has been an independent page for years and when I wanted to update its information, the page was completely deleted. Please help me to create this page . Thank Katrina masbin (talk) 07:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC) deleted. years deleted. Katrina masbin (talk) 07:50, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Mere mentions are not enough. Please read and understand the detailed messages on your talk page, and read WP:INDEPENDENT to understand what we mean by independent sources. I suggest you also study WP:YFA. --Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:07, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Where’s best to take a question about ‘language barrier’ editors.

So I’m kind of a returning editor (my User Page will fill you in), and a report (I think it was either at AN or ANI) where an editor got snagged as using ChatGPT, got me thinking.

We surely have our share of editors who get CIR Blocks, under language barriers. Could these editors contribute productively on a wiki in their language? AGF says Yes, right? But all these people know is ‘that one big Wikipedia’. How much do we realistically point these users in the direction of other wikis, in their language, where they can thrive?

I suspect that one of the Village Pump’s areas is where to take this, RFC definitely doesn’t seem to be, but I could use a second opinion (so not WP:3O compatible, haha!) on where to take such a suggestion. MM ('"HURRRR?) ^(Hmmmmm.) 12:02, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, we have the Wikipedia:Local Embassy; also ,we have different templates to welcome non-english speakers and point them towards their language Wikipedia. These can be found under Wikipedia:Pages needing translation into English/Templates for user talk pages Lectonar (talk) 12:22, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Ooh, okay that last one is very much in the right direction. Where would I find stats on how much these templates are used? If you’re wondering where I’m going with this, I’m wondering if existing tools are actually enough to keep ‘horrible English, but otherwise productive’ editors within Wikimedia space, and if the tools aren’t enough, we can at least establish that they’re not, and try to figure out how to improve this situation. Less misguided CIR and NOTHERE (due to language barrier) blocks is always a good thing, right? Or am I looking for a solution in search of a problem, as I saw someone else say? The problem may be much smaller than I suspect, as far as I know. MM ('"HURRRR?) ^(Hmmmmm.) 13:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Matticusmadness: statistics, I have no idea, and yes, I saw that you are talking editor retention. But having been on here some time, and being rather active in many things concerning translations and the like, the problem might be not as great as you see it. We have those who make honest mistakes, they come to EN because they followed a "wrong" google link (or just had automatic translation activates); those are easy candidates, and won't get blocked here...they will disappear direction "native language Wikipedia" after having been shown the way. Then we have the ones trying to shoehorn in articles which have been deleted in "their" language Wikipedia; those are a bit more problematic, but will be dealt with via the deletion process and the like: they tend to lose interest. I won't talk about CIR blocks because I lack experience, but I have the impression they aren't that frequent, anyway. All in all, from the WP:PNT point of view, I see no great problems. Lectonar (talk) 13:46, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Deletion Process as long as Ed Poor doesn’t repeat his crowning achievement, you mean. ;) Happy to trust your experience, and admit I may have gone a smidge WP:SLOP on this one. Cheers Lect. MM ('"HURRRR?) ^(Hmmmmm.) 16:36, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

How to write on a talk page?

Hi, I am confused about how to write on a talk page. I was editing a couple of Wikipedia pages just fine but when I went to edit a talk page it wasn't clear. Could someone please help me with this? Hemmingweigh (talk) 12:15, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Hemmingweigh and welcome to the Teahouse. All pages are edited the same way but the details depend on the editor you are using and whether the Talk Page already has something on it or is blank. So, please let us know which editor (visual or source) you are using and please place a link here to the Talk Page you want to edit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:20, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

The help page Help:Introduction to talk pages/1 is a helpful starting point. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 13:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

IABot

How do you use it? QuicoleJR (talk) 15:55, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Found the instructions on m:User:InternetArchiveBot. If you have questions on specific parts of the instructions, please feel free to ask follow-up questions. Cheers, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:38, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Why does it need permission to create and move pages on my behalf? QuicoleJR (talk) 16:41, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Perhaps someone else knows. The text in question, for reference:

Hi [user],
In order to complete your request,
IABotManagementConsole needs permission to perform the following actions on your behalf on all projects of this site:
Perform high volume activity
High-volume (bot) access
Interact with pages
Edit existing pages; Edit protected pages; Create, edit, and move pages

Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 19:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@QuicoleJR See WP:BOTMULTIOP, in particular the bit about OAuth. The archive bot is one that any editor can activate but your Username will end up in its edit summary and you are responsible for its use. Many other bots run in the background and their edit summaries only contain the name of the bot itself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Well, the link to the toolforge site brings you to a page to configure IAbot instead of run it. I've run it before in the past and still made the same mistake the other day. The workflow is to tap the menu button in the corner and go to Run Bot → fix a single page. Folly Mox (talk) 04:53, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! QuicoleJR (talk) 10:46, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

MOS for lists of Alumni

Does anyone have a good example of a list of university alumni in terms of formatting? I've been looking at the List of New York University alumni and would like to make revisions for consistency (for example, "Educators" is one table on the list while "Professors, researchers and scientists" is a separate table with various award winners in a separate table below that). I'd like to have a good example to refer instead of arbitrarily choosing a hierarchy or format. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Vegantics (talk) 16:30, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Vegantics I looked at the featured lists at WP:FL and then the individual ones at Social Sciences/Education. This gives plenty of examples, including List of Dartmouth College alumni. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:14, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull Thank you so much, this is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for articulating your process as well-- it will make it much easier to find these things in the future.

Vegantics (talk) 17:25, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Main body reference numbers not changing to fit edits

I am editing 'this article'. I have deleted some references and put in new ones. There is one reference (number 1) I cannot see in the main body but which remains in the reflist. Can I edit the reflist directly? All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 16:39, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

It looks like that reference is being used in the infobox, under "Awards". The infobox references always come first in the list - I was confused about that for a while too. You can click the ^ next to each reference in the reflist, and it should take you to its position in the article, if something similar happens in the future. Tollens (talk) 16:45, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks so much! I see now! It was driving me mad. I have learned a lesson here! All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 17:09, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Short desc formatting - no longer smallified

In the past few days, my (Vector legacy) short descriptions have gone from small to normal font size. Did something change in Vector that would have impacted this to happen in VL? - UtherSRG (talk) 17:15, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah... I see there's a thread on this at Wikipedia_talk:Shortdesc_helper#Short_descriptions_lost_their_styling. Nevermind. :) - UtherSRG (talk) 17:18, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Random article thing

How many of you edit by using the "random article" thing on the upper left part of your screen? I keep getting random pages about Poland, so I was curious how "random" it truly is? Iljhgtn (talk) 19:26, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn: You can actually see how "Special:Random" works here: Wikipedia:FAQ/Technical#random - Apmh 19:40, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

so there is no way we can each individually configure it to select only certain topics or anything right? Iljhgtn (talk) 14:55, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I think you can use Special:RandomInCategory. Professor Penguino (talk) 21:04, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

That's strange. I usually get random pages about moths. Shantavira|^{feed me} 20:08, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

I only get articles about sports -- which I know nothing about, which is funny. I stopped using it, and now I only get obscure Vietnamese villages. It's good to know it's not just something going on with me. Professor Penguino (talk) 00:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I get sports (and insect stub) articles too. Too bad I don't know anything about either to expand. Capsulecap ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:08, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

You can use Special:RandomInCategory to help avoid the 70% of articles that are sports, insects, and villages. Folly Mox (talk) 05:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Professor Penguino (talk) 05:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

oh, i just read this. that is really cool. i will have to try out the randomincategory thing. Iljhgtn (talk) 14:56, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hiring editor for American Singer Songwriter

Hi

We are looking for an editor with biography writing skills to write a page for Wikipedia for and an American singer song writer and composer. Look forward to hearing from you soon! TheDuecce (talk) 22:51, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

@TheDuecce: This is a volunteer effort. We do not offer writing for hire. If you do hire someone, beware that there are many scams out there. RudolfRed (talk) 22:59, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TheDuecce, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that the fact that you're even thinking of paying somebody to write about you on Wikipedia indicates that you have a (very common) fundamental misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, which summarizes what independent sources say about a subject, not what the subject says or wants to say. Promotion of any form is forbidden anywhere in Wikipedia.

If you find somebody honest to write an article about you, then they will tell you up front that they cannot guarantee that they can get an article about you accepted, and that if they do get an article accepted, neither you nor they will thereafter control its content, or be able to delete it if you don't like the content. Please read an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. ColinFine (talk) 23:18, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, TheDuecce. I recommend that you read the Scam warning. Cullen328 (talk) 23:52, 16 June 2023 (UTC)

This is a website of volunteers. "Hiring" editors is usually discouraged. Professor Penguino (talk) 00:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello TheDuecce. You may want to start your own website so that you will be able to post whatever you feel would be best, and not have to follow all of Wikipedia's strict rules. Also, with your own website, you won't have to worry about other editors coming along and deciding to add information that you would prefer not to have on your page. Best wishes on your promotional efforts. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Paid content creation

I've nominated probably half a dozen articles for deletion, by the same user (Amaekuma), that all follow the same formula of creating pages for Nigerian "entrepreneurs" or "social media personalities" and are entirely made-up of refs from those semi-legit looking paid-promotional articles you're seeing more of nowadays. Is there anywhere to report this? Its getting exhausting nominating pages only for new ones to get created over and over, with no repercussions. Nswix (talk) 00:27, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. The most appropriate place for this would be WP:ANI. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 02:23, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Just looked at your talk page and saw this thread. I don't like the look of this. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 02:35, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

How do i prevent recurring vandalism on a page?

Good morning everyone, thank you all for reading this and helping me out :) The page of “Sulaiman Al-Fahim” is subject to continuous vandalism as a few people keep removing valuable and credible information and sources without any plausible cause or reason. Thank you all for your time and help, awaiting your responses and intervention. Jacobmicheal232 (talk) 03:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Jacobmicheal232.

I've checked the article and you are nearing close to an edit war. To prevent further escalation, could you discuss the disagreement with the user or discuss the situation on the article's talk page? 🛧Layah50♪🛪 ( 話す? 一緒に飛ぼう！) 03:50, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Using Generative AI/ChatGPT, etc. to write articles

Good morning everyone. I'd like to know if anyone else uses such AI to write their articles. While it automates what we as editors do, does it do it better? I do not use it myself, but I feel it has potential to do what we do, but faster, and maybe better. And so using it might mean better content can be put out faster. Just like to other editor's views on this. SenatorLEVI 03:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

No it makes alot of things up, and writes in a very biased way. It could work if it is trained on wikipedia editing specifically and not just general purpose, but not ChatGPT. Personally i don't use it anymore Sebbog13 (talk) 04:42, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

While certainly fast, using a LLM to generate a Wikipedia article does have several significant drawbacks, the largest in my opinion being a lack of sourcing. It is not currently possible to ask any LLM to use reliable sources and cite material appropriately (which is mandatory), and any output may be somewhat or entirely incorrect, while maintaining a confident/encyclopedic tone. Note that the person publishing an edit is responsible for every edit they make; if someone is routinely adding unsourced or erroneous information, the use of AI is not an excuse. However, this doesn't mean that you cannot use LLMs at all - they can be very helpful in providing critique and suggestions for human-written text, creating a general outline of the key points you may want to research (but not the actual content, just a summary to guide you), paraphrasing, or copyediting. Tollens (talk) 04:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

LLMs can be helpful for rephrasing text or summarising information, but they're not yet capable of writing policy-compliant encyclopaedia articles. They make stuff up – including, worryingly, references – don't understand proper encyclopaedic tone, can't assess notability or neutrality, etc. They're certainly faster, but nowhere near good enough to write encyclopaedic text. See this discussion for where the community is at right now on the topic. We recently had a longtime productive editor blocked indefinitely just for suspicion of LLM usage, and there's a current open discussion about whether to create a new criterion for speedy deletion to address LLM-authored text at WP:VPI. Folly Mox (talk) 05:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

could probably be better if trained specifically on how to edit wikipedia Sebbog13 (talk) 05:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Absolutely, I don't think anyone means to suggest otherwise, but as of now they simply aren't good enough to meet all of Wikipedia's policies. Tollens (talk) 05:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@SenatorLEVI: Welcome to the Teahouse! I tried using ChatGPT once to write a Wikipedia-like article about a musician. (This musician already has an article, but it's not great.) After trying different prompts, I finally received something that looked like a properly formatted article with footnotes. It was great, until I actually read it. It contained albums that the musician didn't release. Also, every single URL had nothing to do with the musician. When I told ChatGPT that the URLs were wrong, it apologized and provided new URLs, which were also wrong. I didn't end up using anything that ChatGPT suggested to improve Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 05:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@SenatorLEVI There is extensive discussion at WP:LLM and its Talk Page. The developing consensus is that such a.i. should not be used either for creating articles or for responding on Talk Pages. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:28, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

ChatGPT itself had this to say on the subject: "While some editors may consider utilizing AI to automate the writing process and expedite content production, it's important to recognize the potential drawbacks. AI, although capable of enhancing efficiency, lacks the nuanced understanding, context, and creative thinking that human editors bring to the table. While AI can automate certain tasks, human editors possess the ability to exercise judgment, apply critical thinking, and ensure accuracy. Relying solely on AI for content creation may compromise the quality and depth of articles, as AI models are trained on existing data and may not capture the intricacies required for comprehensive and reliable information. Collaborating with AI as a complementary tool can be beneficial, but striking a balance that preserves human expertise is crucial to maintaining the high standards expected from Wikipedia articles." Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

ChatGPT is a limitless source of shit that sounds vaguely plausible with no necessary connection to reality. Bringing it anywhere near Wikipedia would be flagrantly unethical. XOR'easter (talk) 01:44, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

St-Domingue Creoles

I am working with a group of students on the St-Domingue (Haiti) emigres who fled to New Orleans during the Haitian Revolution. To my and the team's surprise, they were directed to a page named "Dominican Creoles". Apparently someone or group has decided to rename the St-Domingue or Haitian Creoles as "Dominican Creoles" creating much confusion. The people of St-Domingue have never been referred to as Dominicans which is a much later term used after the creation of the Dominican Republic. Dominican means someone from The Dominican Republic or someone from the island of Dominica. The proper name which is backed by all historical records is St-Domingue Creoles or Haitian Creoles. I would appreciate if anyone could edit that page or send it to the team responsibe. Thank You / Merci. Kreyolbro (talk) 04:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Kreolbro: the article Dominican Creoles does have a note at the top clarifying it should not be confused with People of the Dominican Republic, but this sounds like a conversation you might want to have at Talk:Dominican Creoles. From scanning the titles referenced, it looks like you might have the weight of sources on your side. If you are not able to convince the article's author (it appears to be a solo composition), you can open a move request to solicit wider feedback. Folly Mox (talk) 05:28, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Kreyolbro: Hi there! Are you referring to Saint Dominguans and/or Saint-Dominguans, both of which are redirects to Dominican Creoles? If so, do you think they should redirect to a different article, and if so, which one? If not, which specific redirects/articles are you referring to? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 05:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Is there a possibility to include correct pronunciation of names of noteworthy people? 2407:C00:6003:25F9:1:0:1BC8:DCCC (talk) 06:12, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Andre Agassi is an example of an article that uses both {{IPAc-en}} and {{respell}} to explain the proper pronunciation of his name. GoingBatty (talk) 06:16, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Some infoboxes have a "pronunciation" field. Most don't (I think that is a problem) and those that do often do not use it (many editors don't know it exists or find it more useful to place in the first sentence). If you find an article that needs this sort of detail added and you don't know how to do it yourself, you can add a {{Pronunciation needed}} tag. DMacks (talk) 18:20, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Is this a good way to try to at least limit advertising in a page?

I am editing Applus+ IDIADA, and when I started editing it I saw that it had large amounts of text that felt like advertising. Of course, Wikipedia must remain neutral. But is this a good way, and if not, how can I improve it

Thanks

Signed MyMystry (talk) 06:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MyMystry. If you want to edit that article, your objective should not be to limit advertising language, but to eliminate every trace of advertising language. You can start with the second sentence, which includes the word homologation. That word is some strange combination of jargon and bafflegab, and its presence in the article serves more to confuse rather than to enlighten the readers. Cullen328 (talk) 08:00, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Oh? I thought that homologation was the standard word when talking of checking whether a vehicle meets all the (very many) standards set for it. (The article does have problems of wording; as an example, I'm stumped by "connected vehicle functionalities".) -- Hoary (talk) 11:51, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

First thing you can do is to remove WP:Peacock terms.

Secondly, you should remove exceptional claims that come from the company's own website. If something is only featured on the company's website and not on any reliable sources, its probably not important enough for inclusion. Primary sources should only complement the secondary sources, not make up majority of the article. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 16:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

A question about an Upwork freelancer potentially misguiding clients

Greetings!

I'm seeking advice and need some guidance. I recently interacted with an Upwork freelancer named Sonali Kavdia. Her Upwork profile can be found at this link: *https://www.upwork.com/freelancers/sonalik.

I realize now that my actions contravened Wikipedia's guidelines, but there's more to the story:

I inquired with Sonali about the notability of my client's project, CookUnity. She assured me that she has close ties with a Wikipedia administrator who could verify the project's notability. After agreeing to this, she responded in a few days, claiming that the Wikipedia administrator deemed the group not notable and recommended creating a page on an alternative website, Wikitia. I acquiesced, and the page was established here:

wikitia.com/wiki/CookUnity

Later, however, I discovered that Wikipedia administrators do not collaborate with paid editors on Upwork, let alone suggest publishing on Wikitia. I would appreciate your advice and comments on the veracity of Sonali's claims. It also seems necessary to delve deeper into this matter, as there's a possibility that the paid editor on Upwork may damage Wikipedia's reputation by potentially propagating misinformation (though I may be mistaken). MitYehor (talk) 08:09, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, MitYehor. You need to fully disclose your Paid contributions status immediately. In theory, there is nothing that would forbid a Wikipedia administrator from expressing the opinion that a certain topic does not meet Wikipedia's notability standards, and suggesting an alternative website. In practice, it is difficult to imagine an administrator recommending Wikitia as an alternative, since it has such a mediocre reputation. But the bottom line is that scammers frequently invoke imaginary "Wikipedia administrators" created out of thin air. Honest people will give you the username of the genuine Wikipedia administrator, and you can communicate openly with that administrator. I happen to be a Wikipedia administrator who has done a few consulting jobs through Upwork. I have never edited a Wikipedia page for a paying client, and never will. Instead, I work with them off Wikipedia to help them understand Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and I am completely transparent about my Wikipedia identity and my real world identity, which I also disclose on my user page. In my opinion, a large majority of Upwork "Wikipedia experts" are scammers and liars, although a handful are ethical. Let the buyer beware. Cullen328 (talk) 08:38, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Translating articles into English

Hi, I’ve used Wikipedia a lot over the years, and I thought it would be nice to help out a little bit in return. I’m a professional translator (Russian-English, French-English, Italian-English), so I thought I could work on some articles that need translated into English. However, it seems that English translators cannot translate articles until they’ve made 300 edits to Wikipedia. Is that correct? I’m a bit confused by this, as I don’t really see the connection between editing and translating. CiaranTranslation (talk) 09:22, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, CiaranTranslation and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe that the content translation tool can only be used by editors with sufficient experience of editing English Wikipedia, because inexperienced editors are less likely to be able to evaluate how appropriate a translation is for English Wikipedia. The problem is that many articles in many Wikipedias are not satisfactorily sourced: a lot of Wikipedias have less stringent requirements on sourcing that en-wiki (and even in en-wiki there are many older articles which would not be accepted if they were presented today).

Anybody can translate an article; but in my view in most cases this task is effectively "write a new article using some text translated from an existing article": the translator is responsible for making sure the result is adequately sourced. The CTT should only be used by those who understand this.

See Translation. ColinFine (talk) 09:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@CiaranTranslation You may find it easiest to start with existing English articles that are tagged with templates like {{Expand Russian}} (3,500 articles) or {{Expand Italian}} (4,200 articles). Then you can be sure your work won't be wasted as the notability requirements here are, presumably, already met. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:01, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Getting attention

How does one draw the attention of other editors without being accused of canvassing?-1Firang (talk) 10:55, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @1Firang and welcome to the Teahouse. We'd really need to know the context to answer that question. Esowteric + Talk + Breadcrumbs 10:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi 1Firang. There are some general suggestions about this given in WP:APPNOTE, but it might be easier to give you a more specific answer if you can explain why you think you'd might be accused of canvassing. Does your question have to do with this? If it does, you might be better off continuing the discussion you're having with the administrator who issued the "topic ban" and see what they have to say on the matter first. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@1Firang This is often done by posting on the Talk Page of the Project(s) which are interested in the article. See WT:CHEM for lots of examples. Just keep your request neutral, without indicating your own opinion. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:17, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I am talking about this edit. It has been flagged as canvassing when I was trying to ping 30 other editors who had edited that article before (those who had both view points - for and against). Now I want to know how to do this without getting sanctioned any more (see this - my topic ban)!-1Firang (talk) 12:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

The problem there is that the article is a contentious topic with special procedures applying: by choosing a particular set of editors to ping you give the appearance of canvassing, even if that were not your intention. The article has 55 page watchers and it should not have been necessary to ping anyone. There are general ways to resolve disputes described at WP:DISPUTE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, thanks a lot!-1Firang (talk) 18:41, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Help

No evidence of wrongdoing provided; discussion over. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:27, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

There is this guy called material scientist his blocks don’t last days but MONTHS I do not think this is reasonable/allowed on Wikipedia this is the guy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Materialscientist he blocked my friend till NOVEMBER WONKAKlD (talk) 11:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC) @wonkakld: long blocks are very common on wikipedia. they can even last indefinitely. care to tell us what your friend's account is? lettherebedarklight晚安 11:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC) He doesn’t really have an account he’s never showed me his ip address he looked very frustrated and I could tell he wasn’t joking WONKAKlD (talk) 11:14, 17 June 2023 (UTC) Courtesy ping: Materialscientist Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:11, 17 June 2023 (UTC) I saw a lot of other people talk about they say his blocks are long for no reason WONKAKlD (talk) 11:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC) eh, materialscientist is one of the best admins who fight vandalism on wikipedia. the blocks are long to prevent them from vandalising wikipedia for a long time. lettherebedarklight晚安 11:18, 17 June 2023 (UTC) @WONKAKlD The block logs show that Materialscientist has not blocked anyone since you created your account on 31 May. You need to be very careful not to cast aspersions, which is a very serious breach of behavioural guidelines. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:30, 17 June 2023 (UTC) @michael d. turnbull: erm, you spelt materialscientist's name wrong... this is the actual block log. there's been plenty of blocks. lettherebedarklight晚安 11:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC) Oops! Thanks. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:48, 17 June 2023 (UTC) wanna strike that? lettherebedarklight晚安 11:54, 17 June 2023 (UTC) Block duration is explained here. Bear in mind that admins also get frustrated with constant vandalism and would rather not have to block anyone. Shantavira|feed me 11:32, 17 June 2023 (UTC) Okay WONKAKlD (talk) 16:59, 17 June 2023 (UTC) I’m just gonna close this page WONKAKlD (talk) 17:03, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Moving pages without redirects

I'm not a page mover, but I moved an MMS list shell, and didn't leave a redirect behind. Is that just a feature of MMS delivery lists, or have I stumbled on a bug. Zippybonzo | Talk (he|him) 11:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Zippybonzo: It appears to be impossible to leave a redirect behind when moving a page with page content model MassMessageListContent (shown on "Page information"). I'm an administrator and usually have a working checkbox "Leave a redirect behind" on move forms. For the pages at Wikipedia talk:Mass message senders#Mass-mail subscription list shells and your example User:Zippybonzo/MMS test list, the box is unchecked, greyed out and unclickable. I assume this is deliberate. As an administrator I can change the page content model so I guess I could change it to wikitext, move it with a redirect and change it back, but then I wouldn't really have moved an MMS delivery list. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hey, how do I put images in my userboxes?

I want to put photos to my userboxes "This user loves Twice" and "This user loves Blackpink". Onceboy (talk) 12:30, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

User blocked for sockpuppetry by ToBeFree Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 16:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

What is a good book based on citations?

What is a good book can have polarized points of view as to what qualifies as "good", based on citations. Does Wikipedia have a policy on this issue? An application of this issue is, for example, where there are articles on publishers that need extended material to remove it from being a stub. If someone writes that some of the books that were published benefited society, is there a standard on what is a good book that benefits society?

 Starlighsky (talk) 13:27, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure what your question is. Can you reword your question to be more clear? Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 16:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi Starlighsky if you are asking about writing about books see Wikipedia:Notability (books). KylieTastic (talk) 16:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Starlighsky (talk) 16:40, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Creating a new Article.

What kind of person article can I make in Wikipedia please someone suggest me. KnowledgeHarvest (talk) 13:47, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I recommend that you read WP:Your First Article. Then you can search for notable topics. I find potential notable topics by following red links. You can also look through Wikipedia:Requested articles to find potential article topics. Just make sure that the subject of the article is notable. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 16:06, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Adding sources

Hi Teahouse team: I followed Teahouse member advice on adding sources. Please see here - Have we done this properly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Paul_Werner_Glaser&oldid=1159175516 Andipost (talk) 16:59, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Andipost You have properly added references. However, given the size of the draft, it is still underreferenced. Also, remove any external links from the body of the article and trim the list of 'Notable works'. It appears that multiple people control your account; this is not allowed per WP:NOSHARING. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:07, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

How to make an edit on every page

when you click you wiki account it suggests you to edit article but what is there to edit? Does Wikipedia instantly know when something is wrong? WONKAKlD (talk) 17:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

The suggested edits are controlled by templates placed on articles. For example, Template:Tone or Template:Copyedit would place an article under the 'Copyedit' suggested edits category. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:11, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Also, WONKAKlD it may be helpful to change your username, since the lowercase l is confusing. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 17:12, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Wait you can change your username? WONKAKlD (talk) 17:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes. See WP:CHU. ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I believe that the symbol in question is a lower case letter l rather than an upper case letter I Hence, WONKAKlD but not WONKAKID.

Talk page access via smartphone

How do I access an article’s talk page using an iPhone or an Android? PaulThePony (talk) 19:56, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@PaulThePony: If you're using a browser on your phone and go to an article (e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman ), you should see at the top left under the article title the words "Article Talk". Click the word "Talk" to go to the talk page (e.g. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Batman ).

If you're using the Wikipedia app, there doesn't seem to be an easy way to go from the article to the talk page, but you could use the search function for the talk page (e.g. Talk:Batman). Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 20:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

In the Android app, if you're reading an article, the "three dots" menu at the top right includes an option "Talk page". ColinFine (talk) 20:57, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Communication issues are outlined at WP:THEYCANTHEARYOU. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 22:31, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Also in the Android app, if you go to the bottom of the page, under the heading "About this article", you will see links to "View edit history" and "View talk page". Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:26, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Vusi Thembekwayo

Hi Teahouse team, I have done a couple of tweaks to my article above and others have helped to put it in a better shape to remove the tag on it. Before removing the tag, I need some expected opinions on where to tweak further to give the article shape.

Also, I have asked that the draft form be G7 since the article has been sourced and completed so I need some help to get this done. Thank you all Oceanview1590 (talk) 21:01, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@Oceanview1590: I have tagged Draft:Vusi_Thembekwayo for G7 speedy deletion. RudolfRed (talk) 01:41, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! I presume this will not affect the main article as the draft link now is also linking the main article in live space. Oceanview1590 (talk) 07:26, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Vusi Thembekwayo is the article. RudolfRed (talk) 01:43, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

RudolfRed Yes, this is the main article so I was advised by Cordless Larry to use the G7 speedy deletion to remove the previous one in the draft since the live article now exists. Thank you! Oceanview1590 (talk) 07:30, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Please I need Your Guide On An Article!

Hi Again Teahouse Team, I have an article I have been working on in my sandbox for a couple of months now and I need some help with suggestions and feedback before I get it published to the live space to avoid any tag. I think I have done a lot of research on it and wanted to make sure that everything is in good shape before publishing it. Any suggestions, please? Many thanks Oceanview1590 (talk) 21:11, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello. I assume you are referring to your sandbox1. I have added the appropriate information to allow you to submit it for a review and get feedback. 331dot (talk) 21:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, yes it is. Thank you so much for doing this. Much appreciated! Oceanview1590 (talk) 07:22, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Vusi Thembekwayo now an article. But needs work. David notMD (talk) 14:07, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

David notMD, this question was about User:Oceanview1590/sandbox 1. It's the section above that's about Vusi Thembekwayo. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

My error. I struck my comment. David notMD (talk) 14:14, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

In the Article contributions section, remove all mention of his participation on and interactions with panels. Ditto the list of minor awards. David notMD (talk) 16:50, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Review my Article

Can Anyone Review My article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ReVanced_Extended 103.137.24.197 (talk) 21:55, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Remember to log in before posting. You have submitted your draft and it is pending. As noted at the top, "This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 4,381 pending submissions waiting for review." 331dot (talk) 22:02, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

(ec) I take it you are User:Cena.aly, just logged out? With a quick once-over, it definitely needs to be toned down. The draft has lots of "user-friendly" and "enjoy features", etc. These sorts of phrases are not neutral. Download instructions and usage recommendations are not appropriate for an encyclopedia. The words "you" and "your" should not be in the article. Fixing those issues would be a good start. Useight (talk) 22:05, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

If you don,t Mind Can you do that for me, I,m Quite new to this, Instead its My First Draft, So It will be Nice of you, if you can Edit these things for me. Cena.aly (talk) 22:19, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately we aren't here to be co-authors. Feel free to take your time, we have no deadline here. 331dot (talk) 22:26, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Cena.aly, and welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at Draft:ReVanced Extended, I'm surprised to see that not one of your sources has "ReVanced" in its title. Not one.

Now, I haven't looked at the sources themselves, and it's possible that some of them do have significant coverage of ReVanced Extended; but I wonder if you might have done what nearly everybody does who tries to write a Wikipedia article before they have spent significant time learning what Wikipedia's requirements are, and written the draft WP:BACKWARD. The fact that a lot of the draft has no references tends to reinforce this impression. ColinFine (talk) 22:39, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

I very much doubt that an app whose website is comprised of headings with lorem ipsum text is ready for a Wikipedia article. You might want to work on that first. --Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 04:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Need help setting up

Hi Teahouse help, I signed up a few years ago to volunteer and I signed back in today and I can't save a new page I am working on in my sandbox. My user name is DCdesign1. Can someone help make my Sandbox active again? I did save what I am working on in a Word doc, so I can try again, as long as my account is re-activated. Thanks! link: User:Dcdesign1 Dcdesign1 (talk) 22:10, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Hello and and welcome to the Teahouse. Does an error message appear when you click "publish changes"? 331dot (talk) 22:13, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

@331dot: The page was deleted under G13 - the draft was located at User:Dcdesign1/sandbox. Tollens (talk) 22:15, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I was confused. DC may visit WP:REFUND. 331dot (talk) 22:18, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Article Idea

Would an article about the laws surrounding bigfoot hunting in every American state be considered noteworthy enough, or not? It would be a serious article in tone, with information about actual real laws regarding hunting of Sasquatches. I know this is kind of a stupid question, but I've been thinking about it for a while. HarmfulHurdle91 (talk) 23:44, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Can you find any sources to suggest that it’s a subject that deserves an article? Have a read of this, as article subjects need to be notable, to be kept on Wikipedia. MM (Errors.) ^{(Successful Ops)} 01:06, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

In addition, try WP:BACKWARD. - UtherSRG (talk) 01:44, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@HarmfulHurdle91: The Bigfoot article doesn't seem to mention any such laws. If you have reliable sources, maybe start by adding a new section in the Bigfoot article, or a suggestion at Talk:Bigfoot with details about your sources. GoingBatty (talk) 03:31, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, I'll try the Bigfoot talk page. Thanks for your help. HarmfulHurdle91 (talk) 14:57, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I would be curious to know if any US state has a law specific to looking for bigfoot. 331dot (talk) 15:23, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

A law was passed in Skamania County, Washington in 1969 (on April 1, if that's relevant) making it illegal to hunt bigfoot.[4] The law was revised in 1984.[5]

A law was proposed in Oklahoma in 2021 which would establish a bigfoot hunting season, but I don't believe that it was passed.[6]

Not a law, but the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department stated in 2012 that it is legal to hunt bigfoot in Texas. [7] CodeTalker (talk) 17:01, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Notability Confusion?

I am making articles for albums and bands I enjoy and I just dont understand I keep getting the lacking notability on them and I see other albums with like 1 link and then mine is almost exactly the same and I dont get the problem. Xstepperson (talk) 04:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unfortunately there are a lot of stubs and similarly unsourced articles on Wikipedia as the standards are stricter for new articles than they used to be (and these articles are often deleted as unnotable). You're better off sticking to the notability guidelines rather than using other articles as reference points. Note that both Discogs and Genius are listed at WP:RSP as unreliable and sometimes unreliable respectively, so an article that only cites those two sites as sources will not be accepted. Read over the guidelines I just linked and look for some better sources. If they're out there then you should be able to get the article through. Take a look at Help:Your first article as well, if you haven't already. Good luck! WPscatter ^t/_c 04:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

So you think just Allmusic is good? Because especially the band LeFT im doing has like nothing on them and thats why I decided to make a wikipedia page for it to add easier access to the information. Xstepperson (talk) 04:53, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Have a look at WP:BACKWARD. Wikipedia articles are written on things that are already notable, not just everything that exists, and certainly not to bolster their notability. If there's "nothing on them" from reliable sources then they don't belong on Wikipedia. Find the sources first, then write the article around them. WPscatter ^t/_c 04:55, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Well theres Allmusic but I see what you mean ill just delete it Xstepperson (talk) 05:06, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@Xstepperson, Allmusic is a questionable source. I recommend you read WP:ALLMUSIC. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 11:41, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Retrieve deleted source

I just needed help retrieving my source as it was deleted whilst I was working on it

Draft:Pino (musician) Flpino (talk) 06:25, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@Flpino: Your article was deleted due to it being exclusively promotional. It's very unlikely you're going to get it back through WP:REFUND, so try writing the article in a neutral tone, and find the source that you were using potentially using browser history. JML1148 (talk | contribs) 08:00, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Flpino, a representative sample: The opportunity to have his music played on the radio ignited his drive to elevate his music career to new heights. Please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, carefully. -- Hoary (talk) 08:10, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Title ig

How do i change my Wikipedia username Not a Normal Username (talk) 06:28, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Not a Normal Username: see WP:RENAME. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Ty Not a Normal Username (talk) 06:52, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, I have received a message from Dan that I posted a blank page and it has been rejected, I did this in error but have subsequently tried to submit a completed page, it's all a bit confusing and I would appreciate any help I can get, I am new to this platform and finding it rather bewildering, thanks, Clive Elliott Clivelliott (talk) 09:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Answered you at WP:AFCHD. 331dot (talk) 09:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I have a few questions about creating a new article

I want to make an article for Garten of Banban. Although I believe it is notable, there aren't many publications, articles, or what Wikipedia would conisder "reliable sources" on it. I have a few (would any of these work? I read the notability thing so I know some are marked as usually unreliable but there's barely anything to choose from anyway: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8), but I don't think I'd be able to directly reference any of them other than the official Steam page. I think this topic definitely deserves an article, but with the lack of verifiable attention and notability, I'm not sure it would get approved.

Secondly, a page for the game already exists in the Italian Wikipedia. It has no sources, but is quite extensive, and seems like it would only need a little bit of editing after translation. I'm not Italian and I don't know anything about translating articles though...

Basically, I want to know if you think an article with so few reliable sources would be approved. The Italian article seems like good proof of how notable it is, but maybe that one is actually on its way to deletion...

Also, can I use reference non-English sources on the English Wikipedia?

Thanks Henriio (talk) 11:15, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Henriio. From a quick look at the sources you linked, I can see some issues: Steam isn't a good source as it is a primary source; TVTropes, Markiplier, KnowYourMeme can't be sources as they are user generated.

You say "but there's barely anything to choose from", which to me suggests there are simply not enough reliable sources to establish notability for this game. Not being able to find good sources is a bad indicator.

Note also that the different Wikipedia languages do have different notability policies, so an article existing on the Italian Wikipedia does not necessarily mean it would be accepted by the English Wikipedia. The fact the Italian page has no sources is probably a bad indicator too.

On a positive note though, you can indeed reference non-English sources.

Hope that helps. Qcne (talk) 11:27, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@Henriio, no subject inherently deserves an article on Wikipedia. If it's been covered by enough reliable sources to establish notability, then it can have an article; otherwise, it cannot. Asking how to get an article published without reliable sources is like asking how to make a bird fly without wings. That's just not how it works. WPscatter ^t/_c 16:10, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library

I got a partial block for 2 whole weeks and now I can't use The Wikipedia Library; the problem being that all the articles I usually edit require scholarly articles as reliable sources, which I would normally access through The Wikipedia Library. Is there any work-around on this? Or am I basically restrained to edit on Wikipedia for two weeks? Many thanks. SpaceEconomist192 ✐ 13:45, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The workaround would be for you to appeal your partial block and thereafter not get blocked in the first place. 331dot (talk) 14:01, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. Since I can't do anything productive I will just nominate articles to be deleted, I guess. SpaceEconomist192 ✐

SpaceEconomist192 Why do you not appeal your block, and why do you assume that the only productive thing you can do is nominate AFDs? 331dot (talk) 14:39, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Your partial block applies to only one article. There are still lots of things you can do to positively contribute to Wikipedia without the Library. Or, you know, take a break. WPscatter ^t/_c 16:13, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@SpaceEconomist192: I don't understand why a partial block would prevent you from accessing resources in the Wikipedia library? The resources available there (newspapers.com etc.) have no relation to your partial block. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:46, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The home page for the library does say "no active blocks" is a requirement for access. 331dot (talk) 16:48, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Aargh! "Since I can't do anything productive I will just nominate articles to be deleted, I guess." Therein lies the problem with so many editors on Wikipedia. Rather than expend real effort trying to improve articles, they think they're being constructive by simply nominating stuff to be deleted without putting in any effort beforehand. Nominating articles for deletion can, in itself, be productive, but it shouldn't be a fallback for inexperienced editors who can't think of anything else to do. I despair! Nick Moyes (talk) 00:14, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Bonnie Wright English Actress

I found a video where she claims be of Irish heritage shall make edit to her page? 109.78.178.86 (talk) 17:01, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

where? lettherebedarklight晚安 17:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I found a video saying that black is white.[8] Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:29, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

What articles to nominate

How do you determine which articles you should nominate for good/featured article status? I have worked on many articles, but have so many nominations that I'm unsure if I should keep nominating them. AFH (talk) 21:25, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

@Augustios Paleo: I guess it would depend on whether you think an article clearly meets or is quite close to meeting the criteria for GA or FA status. I'd imagine many editors improving articles specifically for the purpose of eventually attaining such status are doing so with those criteria in mind. Most articles aren't GA or FA quality from the get go and require some serious effort on the part of one or more dedicated editors to help them eventually satisfy the relevant criteria. While it's probably not always the case, I'd imagine that most FA articles are ones that were at one point GAs and then continued to be improved upon. May be the thing to do if you come across an article that you didn't create or contribute significantly too would be to check its corresponding article talk page to see if there've been any posts related to GA or FA stuff. You could also check the article's page history to see whether there's one or more editors who have been making some serious contributions to it recently. Someone might actually have been or been working towards GA or FA status and you don't just want to jump in out of nowhere and make it seem as if you're taking over things. For articles you've created or significantly improved yourself, you probably just self-assess as to whether you think a GA or FA nomination will have potential to pass or whether it will be dismissed asap. You don't want to nominate too many articles that are going to end up being declined asap because that could be seen as making frivolous nominations. Another good thing to do would be to add WT:GAN and WT:FAC to your watchlist, and actively participate in the discussions there because that could give you better insight into how things work. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Augustios Paleo, I'll just comment on GA. Just reading, digesting and thinking about comments and requests can take quite some time. The further reading and rewording can add a lot more. And some nomination processes can balloon (example). Perhaps I'm an unusually feeble editor, but I'd never undertake to deal with more than one GA at one time. How many could you handle simultaneously and well? -- Hoary (talk) 23:47, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

The only way you

The only way you @Could I Get Your Number? 64.188.186.94 (talk) 21:40, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Your edits so far don't suggest to me that you are here to build an encyclopedia; but if I'm wrong and you have a question about using Wikipedia, then feel free to ask the question, coherently. -- Hoary (talk) 22:21, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia. Can you specify what questions you want to ask? The person who loves reading (talk) 22:38, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

its urgent

i was making my wikipedia page/ account for first time so one of my friend told me to take a help from his collogue if u have a problem in anything. he is based in pakistan and i am based in USA. somehow now my account is been locked and all the hard woek that i did is wasted in a way because that page or account is not opening. i need help in this regard to get the access back for my page and upload the last remaining thing done which is just linking the references of my work. your prompt help is appreciated in this matter. Seemab.muzafar (talk) 00:21, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Seemab.muzafar, I quote Seemab Muzafar is a talented Artist, a successful Host, and an avid Traveler. Her passion for exploring new Culture and sharing her experience with others has made her a Popular Figure in Pakistan’s Media Industry her contribution to Pakistani media and culture have earned her a place among the most respected personalities in the country. This was deleted as blatantly promotional. It wasn't me who deleted it; but had I seen it first, I wouldn't have hesitated to delete it. -- Hoary (talk) 00:38, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Seemab muzafar, Draft:Seemab Muzafar (deleted)

hi @Seemab.muzafar and welcome to the Teahouse! the short answer, as Hoary has mentioned, is that it has been deleted. I heavily discourage creating an article about yourself, as not only is it hard for someone new (and harder if they are related to the subject) to write an article, there are also reasons why you may not want one in the first place even if it does get accepted. if you do really want to write an article, I suggest writing about something other than yourself (or anything you are personally connected to), and check out the following policies and guidelines to help you write it: Notability, Reliable sources, and Your first article. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:43, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Seemab Muzafar was Speedy deleted, and now Draft:Seemab muzafar has been nominated for SD, as it appears to be a copy or near-copy of the previous draft, which was promotional in wording, without references, with hyperlinks in the text (not allowed). The blocking problem - if still exists - may have been due to you allowing a second person to use your account to work on your draft. Each account must be used by only one person. David notMD (talk) 01:57, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I have deleted Draft:Seemab muzafar. -- Hoary (talk) 02:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi, im new to editing and am just wondering about archiving (live) websites that I am citing. Is there a bot which goes to the wayback machine, creates an archive, and then adds the link to your citation? BennBluee (talk) 01:47, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Yes, there is! You can try it at Meta:InternetArchiveBot. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 02:06, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Cool! Looking here (https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/InternetArchiveBot) I found this:

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Even if the bot is not running on a given wiki, the Internet Archive create archives of almost every new external link added to every Wikimedia wiki, and has been since 2013. If a bot is blocked or disabled on a wiki, it does not stop this work.

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and looking here (https://iabot.toolforge.org/?page=runpages) the IAbot is active on enwiki (which is the wiki i am editing)

so does this mean the IAbot is already active on english wikipedia and will add archive urls to any external links I add? BennBluee (talk) 02:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

I don't think so AFAIK, IA Bot only archives websites automatically. To actually add those archive links to Wikipedia articles, you need to send a request to archive that page. Some pages are not archivable because of paywalls or other technological restrictions. You need to verify that the archive links are actually useful. Carpimaps ^{talk to me!} 02:50, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, thanks! BennBluee (talk) 02:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)