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The Signpost: 17 January 2011

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The Signpost: 24 January 2011

Photo of Jessica Watson

Hi Bilby: I would appreciate if you talked to me first before reverting my recent change of photo at Jessica Watson. I spent a lot of time, setting up the photo which I uploaded, corresponding with the Australian author of the photo and giving my reasons at [[File:Jessica W.jpg]], why I could not obtain permission for the Creative Commons license, and instead had to settle for "fair use."

Please reply and tell me why you object to my photo. I thought it was a better image. The one you put back is rather dismal-looking and does not do Jessica any favours. :-)

(P.S.) ...just read your note at the Talk Page. Yes, I understand the rules, but I also believe in exceptions, and for lack of a better word, this sucks. I tried hard in three emails to convince the author to go with our Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License and she would not bite. I don't see why, but she was somehow spooked by the fact that others could reproduce or modify her photo at will. Anyway, if you insist, then I will concur, as I have no stomach to put up a fight over something so trivial. --Skol fir (talk) 02:00, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you it would be much better, and I would love to use it. But this, unfortunately, is a policy where we don't have any room to move. I've also been caught by it when trying to convince people to release photos for us, and I have argued at times that I'd rather see no photo than a bad one, but it is something that is basic to how we manage the licenses. - Bilby (talk) 02:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
As I said, not worth fighting for. I tried to do Jessica a favour by presenting her in a better light, especially now that she was chosen as Young Person of the Year in Australia. To dig into the trash bin and place a dumpy photo of her on her own page at Wikipedia, is rather embarrassing for Wikipedia. ...leaves a bad impression, like this is some kind of rinky-dink operation, instead of a professional enterprise. Anyway, I have said it, and that's that. :-) --Skol fir (talk) 02:43, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
After pondering your statement above, I went to Wikipedia:Deletion of all fair use images of living people and found this argument for not deleting photos of living persons that were "fair use." -- "The copyright holder may allow Wikipedia to use the image, thereby nullifying any claim that Wikipedia could face legal action for using the image." This happened in my case. It is all there in my justification at File talk:Jessica W.jpg. The owner of the photo gave me permission to use the picture FOC under "fair use" provisions. This might help me in my attempt to at least thwart deletion of the file, aside from not being able to place it in the article itself. That's obviously another issue. We'll see how the admins handle this one. --Skol fir (talk) 03:10, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm worried I might have given you the wrong impression - if I thought we could do it, I've be very happy to fight to include the photo. :) You are entirely correct about the quality of the current picture, and a new one would be great! The problem is that the rules on this only allow for a small number of well defined situations where fair use images of living people are allowed. The problem isn't with getting permission from the copyright owner, but as I understand it, the problem is that non-free images conflict with Wikipedia's free use licenses. Thus local consensus can't override this, as it isn't so much a content dispute as a legal policy, and that gives use little room to move. In this case, the problem comes down to the first of the criteria for the use of non-free content, as there is both a free equivalent (even though it is of much lower quality) and it is conceivable to create a new free photo (especially as she is a public figure).
I find it frustrating as well: I would really like to use a photo I took of Sonia McMahon's dress, but the rules at the Powerhouse Museum only allow me to license it under a "non-commercial use only" agreement, and that also runs into the same problems as fair use. However, I guess there's nothing Wikipedia can do about legal restrictions. - Bilby (talk) 07:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Jessica Watson owns her boat

There is no confusion here. I just got an email this morning, from the manager of Jessica Watson, Andrew Fraser, that she now owns her boat. What do you mean by mixed sources? I have just updated an outdated reference by receiving personal communication as of today. I don't see why you call the sources mixed, when the original source was just wrong, as of today. It might have been right a year ago. You have a strange way of deleting a perfectly justified edit.

Bilby, if you need proof, I can forward the email from Fraser through to you on our internal email system.
--Skol fir (talk) 19:40, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, personal emails aren't verifiable, so normally they can't be used. Most of the time this means we fall back to whatever the reliable sources say, and in this case I can find sources in June, 2010, stating that Don McIntyre owns the boat, but only hints after that suggesting that Jessica does. My assumption is that Don may have donated or sold the boat to her, and that would make some sense, but I thought the safest bet was just to say nothing given that situation with the sources. You can raise it on the talk page if you like - I'm very happy to stick with whatever the consensus is. - Bilby (talk) 19:52, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
I see BIL found a source - that's fixed then. :) On it's own I wouldn't be comfortable with it, as it doesn't say that she has purchased the boat so much as had signed a deal to do so, but combined with your email that should be fine. - Bilby (talk) 19:58, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes, BIL added a reference to my reverted edit. That should resolve it for now, at least for the story behind the purchase of the "Pink Lady" by Jessica. As for the personal communication, it was an aside that Fraser made to me in his email, not related to another matter we were discussing. I can't give you a reference for that, because it is not yet "in print." :-) --Skol fir (talk) 20:02, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
We no longer need to fuss over who is the owner of that boat. I also noticed that you took out the word "remarkable." The first meaning of that word is "1. Worthy of notice." I don't see what is overblown about that. Surely, her feat is "worthy of notice." Maybe you do not agree? Sounds more like POV, removing such an innocuous word. That being said, I won't object, as the word was just intended to emphasize the fact that her boat, the Pink Lady, was not just an ordinary boat. Anyone can take a journey, but only certain people can make a remarkable journey. --Skol fir (talk) 22:22, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for finding the original speech

Hi Bilby. Thank you for locating the original speech from January 26, for the Jessica Watson article. I was trying to remove a whole bunch of dead links and in replacing this one, all I could find was the one from the Courier Mail. Actually, if you read the entire speech, Kevin Rudd also said, "Jess Watson is a remarkable young Australian" in the paragraph following "extraordinary." So both I and the reporter had our reasons. Thanks anyway. We can leave it at "extraordinary." That's just as good, if not better! --Skol fir (talk) 00:46, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi! You're doing a wonderful job! I just figured I could help out on that one, as I was curious about the difference in the quote between the primary source and the secondary one. :) But it is great to see someone [read?] them. - Bilby (talk) 01:14, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
My last edit was long on "grammar," short on spelling (in the edit summary). :-) BTW, it is my pleasure to help out here on this article. I figured that the photos that I uploaded will be approved by the OTRS system shortly, and therefore submitted them here for your enjoyment. I got the necessary approval from Andrew Fraser for a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 License. That should satisfy the admins, once they process my email to the OTRS (which could be up to a month in my experience!). Hopefully, the watchdogs will not pull my photos prematurely. If that happens, I will just keep bugging them! lol --Skol fir (talk) 01:32, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
Out of curiosity, I used the "Article Blamer" tool to see who originally submitted that quote from Kevin Rudd, and it was BIL: Jan 26, 2010 13:05:10 -- (/* Criticism */ direct source to Prime Minister Kevin [Rudds] speech, hopefully he is [noteable] enough for a quote to be allowed.) What BIL replaced was this: "Jess Watson is a remarkable young Australian." :-) What goes around, comes around, a year later!! lol
I guess we let that one go, it being BIL! :-) IOW don't argue with someone who speaks Swedish, English, passable Danish and Norwegian.
--Skol fir (talk) 01:41, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 31 January 2011

MfD nomination of User:Bilby/Bonghan system

User:Bilby/Bonghan system, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Bilby/Bonghan system and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Bilby/Bonghan system during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. JamesBWatson (talk) 17:01, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Ali

That's great! Thanks!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:16, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

No problem. :) I was looking for accounts of his death, as I couldn't get the one you were looking for, and came across that picture. Took a while to figure out the copyright status, but all should be good - I'll clean it up tonight when I get access to better equipment. On the original topic, I do have some reports of his death, if it helps, from Australian newspapers of the time. - Bilby (talk) 04:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
Wonderful. I have no Australian sources at all. Maybe they will have new material. Can you email them to me? Just in case you can, I'm sending you a blank email now.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:23, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
They're all from Trove, so I'll just send along the URLs. Mostly they're just covering news from the UK, as he was remembered from his Australian visit. There were mentions in other databases here and there, but they were almost all in regard to the recent show. - Bilby (talk) 04:27, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I've only had time to look at the first, but it's great because it has a large quote from the daughter including her indicating he was 49 when he died, which I had only found once before (more confirmation that the 100 or so sources saying he was born about 1892, can't be right [see the first footnote in the article). Second, I didn't now Trove existed. I will use it in the future. Thanks!--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:56, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
I love Trove. :) The nice thing is that the Australian papers in the late 1800's early-to-mid 1900's received news directly from the UK, so they didn't editorialise so much as simply report what they got. Thus Trove can be surprisingly useful even in articles that aren't directly related to Australia - although it seemed Hadji Ali had a connection anyway. I'll try and do some restoration work on the photo today - I tend to enjoy that, and I loved the picture. :) - Bilby (talk) 03:32, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Boyce McDaniel

Thank you for your continued work on the article. I am honestly confused as to how block quotes could ever be a "copyright infringement"? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 22:07, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

If I might butt in, the deletion does not appear to have been about the block quotes but about the main content. Text in the article was directly copied and pasted from sites such as this one, without any quotation marks telling the reader that they were reading a quote. Citing a source for the content does not tell us it is a quotation; it only tell us that the information (not the exact words used) can be found ("verified") from the source. If all that content was placed in quotes that would still be a copyright infringement because it would quote far too much text to constitute fair use. To answer the actual question—"how block quotes could ever be a "copyright infringement"?" (again, though, I don't think the block quotes were the issue), I think you're confusing copyright and plagiarism. If I were to take Stephen Kings latest novel and republish it without copyright permission, but I put a huge notice on the cover "This book was written by Stephen King which I am quoting in its entirety", and I also put that notice at the top of each page, I would not be plagiarizing but I would be infringing Stephen King's copyright. But what if I only quoted half of the book in this manner? One chapter? Two pages? Somewhere along the line we would say this quote is short enough (the purpose of the use is also important but let's not get bogged down in complexities) that it falls under fair use and, while the text remains copyrighted, the limited quotation is not a copyright infringement. So, length of quote is an important copyright consideration. Bilby may clarify of course. And Bilby, sorry if answering this here steps on your toes. Since I had left a message above, when I stopped back, I saw this one.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:52, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
You are incorrect. The article had a paragraph which introduced a block quotation of McDaniel discussing his views on dropping the bomb on Japan. That is nowhere in the webpage that you cited. Your response is an argument that a quote can get so long that it can't be claimed to be a fair use. However, the three quotes were of a defensible length. There are three obits written about McDaniel and each is slightly different, but they all cover his life in chronological order. I wrote a fourth which is slightly different, but also covered his life in chronological order. There are some details in the sources that are left out of the Wikipedia article. There are some details in the Wikipedia article that are left out of the three obits. The Wikipedia article included three block quotes -- all of which are deleted, when by definition, they could not be copyright infringement. If there is a sentence which Bilby feels is too similar, I can understand and can adjust. But here, after going to great lengths to rewrite the article completely, Bilby's deletion requires close examination and thought. I don't see any argument that the Wikipedia article was a derivative work, because it combined an attributed selected facts from a number of sources. Chronological presentation is not copyrightable, and facts are not copyrightable. Racepacket (talk) 02:51, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi Racepacket and Fuhghettaboutit. I'm always happy to have anyone get involved in conversations here. :) In regard to the problem, when I'm concerned about possible copyright issues, what I normally do is go through each line and compare it to the source, removing it if it is overly close, then I look at whether or not rewriting is viable. I much prefer to write articles than remove stuff, so I'm always hoping that I can fix things rather than cutting them back. In this case there were multiple sources being used, but each line came clearly from one of them, typically being very close to the original. When I had removed the lines that were a problem, the blockquotes, which were fine by themselves, had no context, so I felt that the best move was to return it to a stub and expand from there. It's never pleasant, as I understand how much work goes into these, and it certainly wasn't plagiarism in any way as everything was sourced, but unfortunately a rewrite wasn't possible without a fresh start. - Bilby (talk) 03:29, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
(e/c) No, I am not talking about the block quotes. Take a look at this version of the article The first paragraph starting with "McDaniel was born in Brevard, North Carolina. He graduated..." is a near word-for-word copy of this obit (note that slight variations in language are still copyright violations). Take a look at the second paragraph that starts "McDaniel had finished his doctoral thesis..." This and the next sentence are a word-for-word copyright violation of this obit. Later in the paragraph, the sentence that begins "which helped identify the amount..." is also a copy from this source. The next paragraph that starts with "In 1946, McDaniel joined the Cornell faculty..." is again word-for-word copy from the first obit above. This patent infringement continues throughout the rest of the text. So forget the block quotes. Now, let's be even more explicit. You added all this infringing text, as shown from the article's page history, and I am troubled that you have over over 13,000 edits and apparently don't understand the problem. Crap. I just looked at another article you started at random, J. Andrew Noel, and immediately found it to be riddles with copyright violations. Well I am warning you here, since I know you are following this thread: If I find that you have added any further copyright violations to any articles in the future, I will block you from editing. Meanwhile, I am constrained to start looking at your edits in more depth. Bilby: I am sorry to hijack your page like this, and will move further comments elsewhere.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:46, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
This is not a matter of "patent infringement" which is a term of art. When describing certain items there are not many acceptable alternatives in language. (For example, a "pair spectrometer" is an unavoidable term of art.) The selection of facts and the order of presentation are very relevant for determining copyright infringement. I will take a look at J. Andrew Noel later and will post a new version of Boyce McDaniel on a subpage. We are all in agreement that the block quotes are fine, which are the basis for my question. Racepacket (talk) 05:03, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
It isn't the use of "pair spectrometer" which is the problem, but the similarity of the wording and sentence structures in which it appears. Block quotes, as Fuhghettaboutit points out, are fine so long as they aren't overused, but the core problem is to do with overly close or identical paraphrasing from the sources. - Bilby (talk) 05:34, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
Racepacket: my use of "patent infringement" was poorly stated because of the understandable confusion it could cause. Patent (pronounced pay-tent), as in clear, palpable, conspicuous, clear-cut, flagrant, glaring, obvious, etc. Not patent (pronounced pat-tent), as in the intellectual property concept of protecting an invention or process.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:57, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
I am fully aware of the ambiguity. Is IP law a big part of your practice? A lot of this turns on the difference between permissible fair use under US law and Wikipedia's policy preference to avoid any possible claim of its content being a derivative work of another source. The Boyce McDaniel article was clearly sufficiently different to avoid any copyright liability. The subjective question is whether it meets Wikipedia's higher, subjective standard of not being close to being a derivative work. As I said, I will leave a rewrite on a subpage and ask Bilby to review it before I move it to mainspace. Please see my response posted your talk page about Noel. Racepacket (talk) 06:18, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
You're not understanding at all. This is not an image where we're trying to figure out whether WP:NFCC applies. This is text. There can be complexities when you get into certain grey areas but we're not here about anything like that. We're here about blatant, on their face copyright violations—yours—direct cut and paste of paragraphs of copyrighted text. None of this has anything to do with the "difference between permissible fair use under US law and Wikipedia's policy preference"—absolutely nothing. The fact that you continue to argue that the content of this article may not have been a copyright violation, in fact are risibly saying things like "The Boyce McDaniel article was clearly sufficiently different to avoid any copyright liability", this coming a year after you were investigated for large scale copyright violations, means to me that you are incapable of editing Wikipedia in a manner that avoids violating copyrights. This is text from the article as it stood yesterday (and just one example from others to choose from):

"McDaniel had finished his doctoral thesis at Cornell in 1943, researching the absorption rates of neutrons in indium. While the U.S. government did not classify the thesis as secret, McDaniel and his thesis advisor, Robert Bacher, understood its implications for weapons research. They marked each page "secret" and locked two copies away in the university's library"

And this is text from http://www.news.cornell.edu/chronicle/02/5.16.02/McDaniel-obit.html

"McDaniel had finished his doctoral thesis at Cornell in 1943, researching the absorption rates of neutrons in indium. While the thesis itself was not considered classified information by the U.S. government, McDaniel and Bacher understood its implications for weapons research. They marked each page "secret" and locked two copies away in the university's library."

Does that sound familiar to you?--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:41, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
I am not arging with Bilby, I am asking him a question with the goal of resolving a problem. I have printed out and compared the two documents and am going to post a rewrite on a subpage for Bilby to review. Based on Bilby's answer to my question, I will retain the three block quotes. Yes, the Boyce McDaniel article is sufficiently different to avoid any copyright liability. The same principles of copyright law apply both to images and to text. Wikipedia has made a policy choice, which I accept, to go beyond what is required to avoid copyright liability to also seek to make the articles completely reusable in any nation and to avoid any claim of being a derivative work. I defer to Bilby to apply the Wikipedia criteria, which is different from US copyright law. Until I did the side-by-side, I had not looked at the obit for a year. If you want to try your hand at rewriting the Boyce McDaniel article, I will be happy to step aside and let you. Otherwise, I will post one on a subpage for Bilby's review. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 03:43, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
One more thought, before anyone presses the "save" button, they should ask, "How would I feel if this talk page became an exhibit in a court case?" Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 04:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
Considering your message above, confirming not only that at this late date, a year after your past CCI investigation, that you misunderstand copyright compliance, but that you will argue for keeping in your own past copyright violations, and the fact that having done a little investigation, I see you are serially adding infringing text to articles currently (I will list a few below for third party review), I am blocking your account indefinitely.

        February 2, 2011: Diff, with content ripped from here;

        January 27, 2011: New Article, with text with content ripped from here;

        January 26, 2010: New article, with content ripped from (the subject) here;

        January 12, 2011: Diff, with content ripped from here;

        January 9, 2011: Diff, with content ripped from here (and here, from here);

        December 20, 2010: New article, with content ripped from here;

        December 19, 2010. Diff, with content ripped from here;

        November 27, 2010: New Article, with content ripped from here;

        (arbitrary stop).

Given the above, which was not difficult (though laborious) to find, it's obvious another CCI investigation is needed, picking up the day after the last one ended. The shame is, there's lots of good edits in between, but this can't be allowed to continue.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:34, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

H. A. P. Torrey

Well done! Thank you very much. Cullen328 (talk) 15:38, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

No problem - I'm glad I could be of some help. - Bilby (talk) 05:33, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 7 February 2011

Could sure use your opinion on a deletion

Hey Bilby, you and I have worked "together" on the Axelsson article. Peripheral to that is the page that is now nominated for deletion,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Bernhard,_Prince_of_Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein#Bernhard.2C_Prince_of_Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein

The guy that nominated this kind of makes a hobby of nominating my articles for deletion. His first attempt to get this deleted was shot down, so now he's trying again. I'd appreciate your input.

I'll help if I can - I've dug around, but unlike with Axelsson, searching is a tad tricky as there isn't a single expression to search on. Still, there are a few things which may be useful, so maybe I can do something there. :) - Bilby (talk) 12:35, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Looks like another person added some items so we now have a "keep." Can you take a look at the article and see if you concur with the keep? Thanks! PR (talk) 01:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 13 February 2011



This is the second issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed.


  • Userboxes and profiles - Add an ambassador userbox to your page, and make sure you've added your mentor profile!
  • Be a coordinating ambassador - Pick and class and make sure no students fall through the cracks.
  • New screencasts - Short videos on watchlists and a number of other topics may be useful to students.
  • Updates from Campus Ambassadors - Ambassadors are starting to report on classroom experiences, both on-wiki and on the Google Group.
  • Other news - There's a new on-wiki application for being an Online Ambassador, and Editing Friday #2 is today!
  • Things you can do - This is just a sample; if you're eager for something to do, there's plenty more.

Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 18:21, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 14 February 2011

Sad news

FYI. Pdfpdf (talk) 13:02, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Mentoring students: be sure to check in on them

This message is going out to all of the Online Ambassadors who are, or will be, serving as mentors this term.

Hi there! This is just a friendly reminder to check in on what your mentees are doing. If they've started making edits, take a look and help them out or do some example fixes for them, if they need it. And if they are doing good, let them know it!

If you aren't mentoring anyone yet, it looks like you will be soon; at least one large class is asking us to assign mentors for them, and students in a number of others haven't yet gotten to asking ambassadors to be their mentors, but may soon. --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 20:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 21 February 2011

groups of students in need of mentors

Hey Bilby. One of the classes working with the Wikipedia Ambassador Program, Jonathan Obar's Media and Telecommunication Policy, is working in small groups and would like us to assign a mentor to each group (rather than having students request the mentors they'd like, as other classes are doing).

I invite you to sign on as the mentor for one or more groups, especially if any of the topics catch your interest. To sign up, go to the course page and add yourself as "Mentor: you" in the section for that group. They students and/or professor or campus ambassadors should be cleaning things up soon to list all the usernames for each group and add a few more groups. Once you know who the students are in the group, you can leave them each a quick introduction to let them know you'll be mentoring their group.

Thanks!--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 19:10, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Chadstone Shopping Centre

Hey Bilby! :) I just want to say I totally respect that your having your say to the article, and everything. I am honestly fine with that. If I didn't think something was correct I would have no problem whatsover in changing it to make it correct. But your sources that you have so far provided, that other editors have provided, don't make a proper basis for saying that: Chadstone is not the southern hemisphere's largest. I have provided more than 10 references, include pdf. files, The Centre's own website, the centre's brochure, Newspaper articles, and so on. The only references provided against, is a website in another language and a discussion forum. I and many other users would like to see evidence. References clearly stating that Chadstone is not the largest shopping centre in the Southern Hemisphere. Please provide suitable recent (2009 onwards) references, if possible. Thank You, Best Reguards -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk) 09:28, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Scott Greenall article.........

Thank you for your help. The only other thing I have is a copy of a los angeles fanzine that did an in depth feature on him but it's nowhere on the web the fanzine is called "Destroy All". It came out in 2003........I don't think the mag exists anymore. I think this article is important and it's pretty well rounded, thanks to you. I'll add to it as things come along.--Llaneerg (talk) 10:56, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Boyce McDaniel 2

I believe that I have resolved your concerns. Could you please review User:Racepacket/McDaniel and let me know what you think. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 04:23, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello Bilby, I realize that you are very busy, but if you could please acknowlege my request and let me know if you will have time to review the revision, I would appreciate it. If not, I will search for another editor to close out the McDaniel matter. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 11:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Hi. Sorry for the delay - the new semester just started, so this week has been all about panicking to get materials and lectures ready for students before they need them. :) I have one more new lecture to give today, and then I'll sit down and help here once I get home. - Bilby (talk) 03:02, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Congratulations on launching the new semester. Any thoughts? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 04:36, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
I've had a look - it still needs some work, although it is definitely moving forward, so I'm writing up something that I hope will help. - Bilby (talk) 15:25, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Thank you for taking the time. Feel free to edit User:Racepacket/McDaniel if that is helpful to you. Racepacket (talk) 21:36, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
Is there anything that I can do the assist in the process? I realize that you perform many important roles at Wikipedia, but I look forward to your reply when you can get to it. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 04:56, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
I've been a tad unwell this week, so I haven't handled this like I planned. I'm working on this and another article tomorrow, so it should be good then - I went through it before and write out notes, so that will help. :) And to be honest, I suspect that you're far more useful to the project than I am, which is why I'd like to help here. - Bilby (talk) 13:31, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Best wishes on a speedy recovery and let me know how I can help. Racepacket (talk) 15:31, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Please give me some feedback. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 18:42, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

I hope you are well. I feel bad that McDaniel biography is so truncated due to a mistake on my part. Could you please look at User:Racepacket/McDaniel when you have a chance. I believe that I did a good job of cleaning it, but I don't want to go around you in any way. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 20:51, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Just checking in with you. I hope you are doing well and are enjoying the semester. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 03:09, 8 April 2011 (UTC)
Checking in again. Please let me know what you think. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 19:01, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
You are obviously very busy. How should I proceed? Racepacket (talk) 19:08, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
It has been two months, would you object if I found someone else to review it? Racepacket (talk) 10:21, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

I've started work on it. The problem is that you haven't really fixed any of the problems, so I thought it might be best to wait until after the RfC/U. At any rate, I've started a rewrite, but the problem is taht it will need one. For example, you start with:

McDaniel was born in Brevard, North Carolina. In 1933, he graduated from Chesterville High School, Chesterville, Ohio, McDaniel earned his bachelor's degree from Ohio Wesleyan University in 1938. In 1940, he earned a master's degree from the Case School of Applied Science (now Case Western Reserve University.).

Which is almost identical to the source:

McDaniel was born June 11, 1917, in Brevard, N.C. He graduated from Chesterville High School, Chesterville, Ohio, in 1933. He earned his bachelor's degree from Ohio Wesleyan University in 1938 and his master's degree from the Case School of Applied Science (now Case Western Reserve University) in 1940.

I've rewritten it as:

Born in Brevard, North Carolina, McDaniel attended Chesterville High School in Ohio. After graduating in 1933, he attended Ohio Wesleyan University, from which he graduated in 1938 with a Bachelor of Science. His initial postgraduate studies took place at the Case School of Applied Science, graduating with a Masters degree in 1940.

I'm not really happy with the wording, but the main thing is that what is written has to be significantly different from the original source. Anyway, I'll keep going and see what I can do. - Bilby (talk) 17:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtfulness vis a vis the RFC/U. Racepacket (talk) 02:50, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

I restored one cite after the April 23 edit. Do you plan more edits? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 08:26, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Tasmanian Devil FAR

Hi Bilby - Just checking in to see if you are still working on Tasmanian Devil in response to the comments at the FAR. This article has been on the page for quite a while, so it would be great to be able to get some reviewers working on it. Thanks in advance, Dana boomer (talk) 15:47, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi~ I had a look, and mostly it just needed copyediting - I finally have my life back, so if you can afford to give me a week, I should have done what I can for the article by then. - Bilby (talk) 03:05, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Sounds good - thanks! Dana boomer (talk) 11:50, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
Ping? Dana boomer (talk) 14:54, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
I got it started, but I've been a tad unwell this week, so I haven't be able to sit down and come to grips with this at night like I planned. I'll be free most of the day tomorrow (some brief classes, but no lectures), so I will finish it then. I've actually been enjoying working on it, to my surprise, and I've found a few problems to tackle on the way that I hope I've addressed. - Bilby (talk) 13:20, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 28 February 2011

Please be the mentor for the students working on Internet backbone and Internet Service Provider

Hi again, Adam! I'm currently trying to assign mentors to all the remaining groups in Professor Obar's class. Would you be the mentor for the group of students working on Internet backbone, as well as the group working on Internet Service Provider? I thought you'd be a good fit for these two topics, since you have tangentially-related expertise and the topics themselves have a modest bit of overlap. If you can do it, thanks! If not, or you'd rather just mentor one group, please let me know.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 00:48, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good - I have to do a lecture covering some of this material in a few weeks, so it will be a nice fit. :) I'll put my name down when I get today's lecture under control. - Bilby (talk) 03:03, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi my name is Nick, and my partner Wes and I are working on this project. I just wanted to reach out to say hi to you, and I look forward to speaking with you this semester. Thanks in advance for helping us out. Pingtell (talk) 04:32, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi! Good to hear from you - I'll keep an eye on what is happening and be in touch, but send any queries you have my way as well. :) - Bilby (talk) 13:26, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 7 March 2011

Hello, my name is Jaime Peca and I'm a sophomore at Syracuse University. I am planning on working on the article for the National Commission on the Disappearance of Persons primarily, but also evidence-based policy. I would really appreciate your help over the next few weeks as I try to implement some of my changes! Jep1991 (talk) 00:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry is this Revenge or something?

So first it was

  • Bidgee

than it was

now it was a vandalism warning ....sorry Bilby, but are you keeping a close eye on me or something? I am not taking these little things into consideration of acts of good faith, because they always play a role against me. Are you trying to point out my mistakes (although I havent made any yet) just to suit your own agenda? With all due respect, I cannot do my job editing with a rope tied around my neck. Sorry If I sound harsh, it is just wherever I go, you seem to follow.-- MelbourneStar☆ (talk) 12:58, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

This user changed the Magnitude of an earthquake from 7.7 to 8.8...This was the 1983 Sea of Japan Earthquake. The recent Earthquake in Japan had a magnitude of 8.9...so this user could have intentionally changed the magnitude to make both earthquakes the strongest to hit Japan, when really this recent one was the strongest. This Vandalism is simmilar to going on the Empire State Building article changing the height to 1500 metres, when clearly it does not stand half as tall as that... -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk) 13:06, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
There is no rope ties around your neck. I have some minor concerns with your editing, enough to have checked in twice, but otherwise I'm not keeping an eye on you. In the past I've found that a bit of good advice, if needed, is far better than doing nothing until a generally good editor is blocked, but that means you need to be aware of when advice might help out. However, I'd suggest that you might wish to think about why someone makes changes - in dropping the vandalism warning you did on the IP, it might have been worth asking why the IP would have made that change. The most likely one is that the IP erred by thinking that the tsunami referred to was the current one, and thus changed the magnitude to 8.8. AGF would suggest an error, rather than deliberate vandalism. - Bilby (talk) 13:08, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
As an aside, you were in no way responsible for anything related to Bidgee, or at least no more responsible than Bidgee was himself. - Bilby (talk) 13:24, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
I don't know where you or anyone else gets 2011: Pacific Coast of Japan from 1983: Sea of Japan...They are totally different years, different earthquake, different area...even the death toll is a major difference 1000+ to 100. Bilby, I say this with the most respect I can possibly give to you: You do not need to be concerned about my edits 1. They don't really concern you .2. They are made in the most good faith as possible .3. I have been on Wikipedia long enough to know rights from wrongs.
People make mistakes. I do all the time. That warning message unfortunately wasnt one of them. What the user wrote constitues to vandalism A.K.A a disruption.
I dont know what I have done to give you uncertainty, or give you a bad impression...but Bilby this 'opposing' me has got to stop. Thank You -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk) 13:36, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
With the Bidgee issue, I wish that were true because one of the editors opposing me, is one that seems to be holding a grudge :| (not you btw) -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk) 13:36, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Just to be clear - I'm not opposing you. I'm sure you are doing a great job, with a couple of exceptions which aren't worth panicking over. That said, just keep in mind that you've been at the receiving end of an overzealous warning in the past. The IP may have been vandalising, but the 8.8 figure matches one of the reported values for the recent quake, so it is possible that this was a mistake. For a single bad edit, which might be a mistake, an L2 vandalism warning is a bit bitey. - Bilby (talk) 13:50, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Article for deletion

I have seen that you have partcipated in the article for deletion for Techna Dye. Perhaps this AFD could be of interest to you? Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jay Marvin --Tyw7  (☎ Contact me! • Contributions)   Changing the world one edit at a time! 14:28, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 14 March 2011

Marking articles students are working on

Howdy, Online Ambassador!

This is a quick message to all the ambassadors about marking and tracking which articles students are working on. For the classes working with the ambassador program, please look over any articles being worked on by students (in particular, any ones you are mentoring, but others who don't have mentors as well) and do these things:

  1. Add {{WAP assignment | term = Spring 2011 }} to the articles' talk pages. (The other parameters of the {{WAP assignment}} template are helpful, so please add them as well, but the term = Spring 2011 one is most important.)
  2. If the article is related to United States public policy, make sure the article the WikiProject banner is on the talk page: {{WikiProject United States Public Policy}}
  3. Add Category:Article Feedback Pilot (a hidden category) to the article itself. The second phase of the Article Feedback Tool project has started, and this time we're trying to include all of the articles students are working on. Please test out the Article Feedback Tool, as well. The new version just deployed, so any bug reports or feedback will be appreciated by the tech team working on it.

And of course, don't forget to check in on the students, give them constructive feedback, praise them for positive contributions, award them {{The WikiPen}} if they are doing excellent work, and so on. And if you haven't done so, make sure any students you are mentoring are listed on your mentor profile.

Thanks! --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:10, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

TC 210 online mentor for "Internet Service Provider"

Hello Bilby,

I'm Gerald and you are the online mentor for my class Wikipedia project. My group will be editing the "Internet Service Provider" article. I look forward to learning from you and appreciate your help on this project. Part of my latest assignment was to write on your discussion page so here I am. Look forward to working with you,

Gerald

Schust38 (talk) 01:27, 16 March 2011 (UTC)


Hey Bilby,

You are the online mentor for my Wiki project as well. In fact, Gerald and I are in the same group and would be glad to get your assistance on our topic - Internet Service Provider.

Ritvik

Sh.ritvik (talk) 03:41, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Internet Backbone Project

Hello Bilby,

Sorry for taking so long to reply to your original post on my talk page as I was still learning how to use Wikipedia :). I just wanted to thank you for volunteering to help our group with this project and I'm looking forward to our future communication.

Wes

Warnellw (talk) 02:42, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for The Dawn (feminist magazine)

Materialscientist (talk) 16:05, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Professor Obar Concerns

Got a message about an hour ago from Professor Obar of the Media and Telecommunication Policy project and I think it is viewed best in full:

Can you please communicate to the online mentors that I DO NOT want them moving student material into the main space for them. This is a big problem. I have noticed that this has happened with a number of the projects already, for example, in the broadband.gov article and the media cross-ownership article. We need the students to be doing this on their own, of course so they can learn how to do it, and also so that I can grade what they've done. How am I supposed to follow student submissions if the data is associated with online mentors? A BIG PROBLEM ALREADY... please help me with this. None of you responded to my post about this on the discussion page. This is about to get out of hand. Jaobar (talk) 05:27, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

With that, of course, please only give instructions on how to move, don't do it for them. Please only let them know what to do and let them do it themselves. If they run into problems, provide further instructions. Do not it for them. This seems to be making a mess of Prof. Obar's grading system and I would like to avoid that. Thanks. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 06:10, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 21 March 2011



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Kym

[1] "During his time with the RAAF, Bonython rose to the rank of Captain". Can you check that please? Perhaps it should be "group captain"? If it is indeed captain, then it better have a more tangible supporting reference, or there will be endless comments about "captain" not being a RAAF rank. Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 23:54, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

Shall do. - Bilby (talk) 23:55, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

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Lavington

At the moment, especially with all the subheadings, the article isn't really about John Lavington Bonython so much as his family - I've removed six of the subheadings, and yes, that is an improvement. However, the ratio of dad to kids&wives is still too low. Reducing the "kids&wives" section seems like a bad idea to me - adding more to "dad" seems a much better idea. Your thoughts? Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 02:13, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

P.S. I finally found his KtB - under "levington"! Pdfpdf (talk) 02:13, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

New message notice

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The Signpost: 28 March 2011

Nice!

Nice addition! [2]. Dreadstar ☥ 15:11, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 4 April 2011

Hi Bibly, I was wondering if you would be my mentor? I am a student at Syracuse University currently enrolled in a course about NGOs and global affairs. I will be making edits to a few different NGO-related articles over the next month and would appreciate your advice/help. One of the articles that I want to expand is about "Partners in Health". Let me know if you're interested. Thanks!

-Mack — Preceding unsigned comment added by Photobymack (talk • contribs) 17:34, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Possible pictures for Union County College

Hi I'm the Wikipedian who got into the brouhaha with pictures. Thanks for your help with the article. I took more pictures but as you probably know I had an incident with campus police about this whole subject. But I kept the pictures. Just in case of any privacy concerns, I digitally altered them to remove faces, names, email addresses and such. If you don't mind I'll post some of the pictures here in case you wish to add them to the article; some are already in the article; others don't help much (like you pointed out); at this point I'm removing the UCC article from my watchlist and won't do much else with it so I'm glad to turn this over to others, and I have other stuff to do! btw never been to Australia but did get as far as New Zealand, and never did check if the water does, in fact, swirl down drains the opposite way! :) --Tomwsulcer (talk) 18:47, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 11 April 2011

re: Regional Indian Penis Size‎

Yup. Saw that and replied why I don't think it's relevant in the AfD discussion. I'm checking for deleted versions at capitalization variants. I'm going to check a couple of other projects, too. It might have been lifted from SimpleEnglish or one of our other sister projects. Rossami (talk) 01:38, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Re:Yellow Monkey

No problem at all. I understand that this button sometime can cause trouble. And if you think my redirects aren't good and you know any better solution for them, please feel free to do as you wish. I'm not an expert in English Wikipedia.--AM (talk) 14:26, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Georgetown Student

Hi Bilby!

I was wondering if you could please take a look at a page I am working on and give me some feedback on the content/style/format of the page before I make it public. It is still in its draft form and needs a little more information but its close to being done I would say. Thanks!

Here is the link to what I have so far: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ka_Yaffa2/sandbox

Ka Yaffa2 (talk) 20:55, 18 April 2011 (UTC)Ka Yaffa2

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Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter: 22 April 2011



This is the fourth issue of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program Newsletter, with details about what's going on right now and where help is needed.


Delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 April 2011

Hey dude! Howzit? I would just like to ask you quickly if images of national sport teams are allowed to be used on Wikipedia, and if so, which category they fall under? Thanks! --Another Type of Zombie talk 11:03, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Australia WWI Flyers

Thanks for info about Australians within the RFC. I'm a big fan of WWI flying history so its always good here new information.--Factchk (talk) 17:32, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Dell

I did a search inside the book. There's no mention of Dell on pg. 110 and existing references to Dell don't back up the edit. --NeilN talk to me 23:51, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

My apologies. By "the ref is not there" I thought you meant the book as a whole. - Bilby (talk) 23:57, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
No worries. Thanks for the revert. --NeilN talk to me 23:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)


Finnigan

Revert when 5 reputable sources were quoted? You have to be kidding! Do you work for Mike Rann or the ALP? KymFarnik (talk) 11:41, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Surprisingly no. :) I'm just concerned about the effect this will have - we have a choice about whether or not to post information, and I'd like to see a choice made one way or the other. I'll happily accept consensus, but this is sensitive stuff, so I'd rather see it made first. btw, good to see someone else here is a pentaxian - great cameras. :) - Bilby (talk) 11:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Refer the main article talk. There is no WP suppression policy due to 'sensitive' information if it has reputable verifiable sources. My view is that due to multiple sources not publishing on WP is wrong. Media Mike will use parliamentary privilege to talk about it this arvo anyway. Pentax rox!  ;) KymFarnik (talk) 00:48, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
If he announces it, and the media covers it, I have no hassles with adding the material at all. And no, there isn't really a policy, except for a general do no harm essay, although as policy follows practice, and consensus can override guidelines, we don't need one to withhold some information for a bit. I'm concerned for a couple of reasons, but mostly it is to due to a general belief that the suppression orders do seem to help ensure that trials go ahead and are fair, so all being equal I'd rather respect them where there isn't wider interest in the case. I certainly understand the opposing view - but I would prefer, just from my perspective, to wait until later to include the material, in order to respect the spirit of the suppression order even if the Foundation doesn't legally have to do so.
I noticed you're using a K5. Any good? I'm using the K7, and considered upgrading the body, but I ended up deciding that my main priority should be new lenses. (The 50-250mm F4 looks nice, but I wish they had a 2.8 in that range). My wife uses the KX, and my daughter has my old MX, so we tend to use Pentax a lot. :) At the moment I'm dreaming of the 645D, but that, I have to admit, is a rather unlikely dream. - Bilby (talk) 01:08, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 2 May 2011

Newbie needs a mentor

Bilby,

This is my first ever experience with contributing to Wikipedia. I'm a doctoral student in Florida and I've been assigned to publish a page about a researcher who has made significant contributions in the field of literacy. I've been reading the guidelines and listening to other students' struggles. I have started my page in a sandbox, but realize I need some guidance at this point. Will you be able to help me ensure that my article is formatted appropriately and rigorous enough to contribute to this global project? I'm also not sure how to get it out of the sandbox.

Thanks Bejordan (talk) 02:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Internet Backbone Article for DYK

Greetings,

Can you please nominate the Internet Backbone article that you supervised for DYK? It has certainly increased 5-fold in the last two months. If you don't feel that it should be nominated, please let me know. Thanks. Jaobar (talk) 05:46, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Adarsh

Request you to look at Adarsh Housing Society Scam, where there seems to be persistent vandalism by multiple users. "Nishant Grover" and "Keshav Bansal" were never Indian environment ministers as per my recollection Oops daisy (talk) 19:20, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Please help assess articles for Public Policy Initiative research

Hi Bilby/Archive 7,

Your work as an Online Ambassador is making a big contribution to Wikipedia. Right now, we're trying to measure just how much student work improves the quality of Wikipedia. If you'd like contribute to this research and get a firsthand look at the quality improvement that is happening through the project, please sign up to assess articles. Assessment is happening now, just use the quantitative metric and start assessing! Your help would be hugely appreciated!

Thank you, ARoth (Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 17:10, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Franklin child prostitution ring allegations

You are involved in a recently filed request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests#Franklin child prostitution ring allegations and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

Thanks,

File:Helmuth_Ellgaard_1953.jpg

Great work on this image. I'm not one to think of watermark removal as "fun", but I almost wanted to save this image for myself (instead of putting it in the Top 4). I do have two minor tweak requests.

  1. Below the word "...sphäre" is a dark line that seems to have broken apart. Here is an uploaded before/after to show you specifically where I mean: [3]. Do you think you could repair that?
  2. In the space between the words "...start" and "in", part of the plane's outline shifts, could that also be masked back to normal?

Those are outside of the text space, so I thought they should be as "original" as possible. Thanks so much! – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 21:23, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Beautiful work!!! Thank you. : ) – Kerαunoςcopia◁galaxies 10:49, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 9 May 2011

The Signpost: 16 May 2011

Not a coincidence anymore...

Please Read : Wiki Hound

  • 1st - Bidgee dispute
  • 2nd - Chadstone / Gateway dispute
  • 3rd - Warning template on IP for Vandalism dispute
  • New: 4th - L&O: Manhood dispute.

Coincidence? Or are you always looking for the right moment to step in? I don't know what you want from me, but whatever it is...please stop opposing me. The 4th example, last week, I clearly told the anon. I wanted reliable internet resources and consensus...then you come and save the day, and provide a reference (Imdb; which is not reliable in this case) then an admin 'locks it in'...What is this? I know that I'm not paranoid, you obviously have me on your watchlist, which is fine...but you are going against me...4 times so far...In around 4 months. Can't wait for next month :| Look, just please stop, it's actually lucky that the admin locked the Manhood page, because if it wasn't I would have reverted, as Imdb in that case isn't reliable...which would have the caused an issue between us, yet again. Thank You -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 14:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you see this differently. But, as you have my talk page watchlisted, I also have yours. I assume Bidgee got involved for the same reason I did: you were accused of edit warring, [4], and I thought I could help by adding a reference. Note my edit summary - my only involvement was to add the formal references that I thought could help, not to engage in the debate or otherwise become involved. If it doesn't assist, then so be it - your stance there is mistaken, but I don't wish to be involved beyond that one edit, and I clearly was not and am not opposing you.
Seriously, if you think that adding some references to stop an edit war is opposing you, rather than trying to help, than I'm concerned that there might be a problem with how you're approaching developing consensus. - Bilby (talk) 21:15, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
I asked for consensus and reliable sources...but I didn't ask for assistance. I know that may sound a little selfish, but all due respect, if it's from you, I don't want it. As you can see with the examples above, you didn't agree with me there, what's the difference here?
I gave that Anon. the same warning aswell...I don't see you supporting me by saying, "wait an editor did ask for reliable resources + consensus". Barring that, what I have a little issue with you is.. (Now I am fine with everyone editing on whatever they want etc.) Already you have gone toe-to-toe with me in 3 disputes......But what is so ironic with those disputes, is that
1. I have personally never seen you edit a Chadstone Shopping Centre related article; Law & Order related article;...or even criticize a vandalism warning handed down by an editor, to another one.
2. Your edit that you make, that 'just happens to be on the same article/talk page i'm editing, is somehow non-supportive to what I have to say or trying to do. If I ask for consensus from this user, I still expect consensus. And you seem to try your very best to prove me wrong...I provided more than 20 sources to back up 'Chaddy is the S.H.'s largest shopping centre', but no, you had to criticize the 20 different references saying that they are unreliable, when what you have provided is out-of-date material found on blogs!
3. This all seem to coincide after the dispute on Bidgee (Although I apologized for anything that I may have done).
I'm not trying to criticize your editing, but for some of your edits, shown above...they can be out of line and done to suit your own agenda. I hope maybe in the future we can be more friendlier to each other...get to understand eachother too...but right now that 'hope' doesn't look so certain. Good Luck with editing. Reguards -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 06:12, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
The problem is that I have a lot of respect for your editing, so I don't want to be critical, or to engage in a protracted argument which can't lead to anything positive. Thus I will try to avoid doing so.
The quick comment is that I couldn't support your position because you were mistaken - the episode is a reliable source, in this case, for factual information contained in the credits. Delerious&Lost had pointed this out earlier on your talk, but perhaps you didn't equate it to the current debate?
Anyway, I made my one minor attempt to stop things before either you or the IP was blocked for edit warring. I guess it is clear that I can't assist, but I hope that you do manage to avoid getting too caught up in the issue. One small suggestion is that you ask on WP:RSN about the use of an episode's credits to support this sort of information. - Bilby (talk) 07:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Delerious&Lost did point that out to me, but what was I going to do? ask for a consensus and get a bunch of Law & Order UK supporters oppose me too? They may be editors, but it is very easy to let there own bias take the better of them, I just wasn't going to risk that. Thank You, I shall ask WP:RSN, hopefully will get more of an insite. -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 08:07, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Boyce McDaniel 3

Bilby: I may be retiring next week, so I would like to finalize Boyce McDaniel in the next few days and move it into article space. Could you possibly complete your review? I would appreciate it. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 08:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Bilby: it has been a month since you last touched the Boyce McDaniel article. So I went ahead and got clearance from my copyright monitor to move the version into article space. Thank you for all of your help with the article. I hope that I will be in a position to clear up some of the other problems. Racepacket (talk) 03:18, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
May I just copy it into article space, or are your two changes sufficiently important as to warrant a history merge? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 18:10, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
Hearing no objection and not wanting to make a mountain out of a molehill, I will go ahead and be bold. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 14:44, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia Ambassador sweatshirt

Hi! This is the last call for signing on for a Wikipedia Ambassador hooded sweatshirt (in case you missed the earlier message in one of the program newsletters about it). If you would like one, please email me with your name, mailing address, and (US) sweatshirt size. We have a limited number left, so it will be first-come, first-served. (If more than one size would work for you, note that as well.)

Cheers, Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 19:40, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Franklin child prostitution ring allegations

This message is to advise you that the Arbitration Committee has declined a request for arbitration relating to Franklin child prostitution ring allegations, to which you were listed as a party. To read the comments made by individual arbitrators in relation to the request, see here. For the Arbitration Committee, AGK [•] 20:06, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

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Please take the Wikipedia Ambassador Program survey

Hi Ambassador,

We are at a pivotal point in the development of the Wikipedia Ambassador Program. Your feedback will help shape the program and role of Ambassadors in the future. Please take this 10 minute survey to help inform and improve the Wikipedia Ambassadors.

WMF will de-identify results and make them available to you. According to KwikSurveys' privacy policy: "Data and email addresses will not be sold, rented, leased or disclosed to 3rd parties." This link takes you to the online survey: http://kwiksurveys.com?u=WPAmbassador_talk

Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments, Thank You!

Amy Roth (Research Analyst, Public Policy Initiative) (talk) 20:36, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Emu War

It's interesting that quite different IP addresses keep re-adding the military conflict infobox with pretty much the same content. We've either got a world-travelling vandal on our hands or, more likely, the original infobox is on some website somewhere and people think it's funny to re-add it (which it is - but not in a very productive way). Nick-D (talk) 01:24, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 May 2011

A kitten for you!

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FYI (?)

[5] Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 13:45, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Add Liam Wyatt Meetup to Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide

Seeing as you've spammed us (correctly IMHO) on short notice re Liam Wyatt being in Adelaide, I believe you should create something at Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide (or at least its talk page) to collate responses. I'd do it but I can't guarantee I'd be coming yet. Mark Hurd (talk) 06:33, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Apterygial and I should be able to make it.  -- Lear's Fool 12:58, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
I saw your message on TheJosh's page, which is on my watchlist since he's the primary author of the NPP script. He hasn't edited in a while so if you want to get his attention it might be better to use email or some other means. —Soap— 16:16, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Antipodean Museum (ie one in UK

Hi, we spoke last night and this is the link if you would care to contribute to the Challenge. Victuallers (talk) 04:29, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

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Non-free files on table at [Australian Football League]]

I've removed three non-free files from this table for failure of WP:NFCC #8 and WP:NFTABLE. The use of non-free images as 40px icons fails the #8 clause, and really the #1 clause of NFCC #1 as well. Further, the use of non-free images in a table like this is not supported by WP:NFTABLE. Please do not restore the images. If you have questions about this, please ask. Thank you, --Hammersoft (talk) 19:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed the licensing requirements for one, and I'll leave the other two for others to fight - although it seems that this hits the grey area where discussion should be possible, as it enters into interpretation of policy, as opposed to clear rules. - Bilby (talk) 22:45, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Photo/New Eminem Image

Thanks for the advice and heads up, but I am confused by the image policies. What exactly are non-free images? And I really think a recent photo that is closer up on Eminem would make for a much better image. How can you get an image with a Creative Commons license? I am seriously lost here. Could you please help me out? Banan14kab (talk) 07:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

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Notification of primary editors

Hi, I have opened a discussion at WT:Good article reassessment#Mandatory notification of primary editors. Perhaps you would like to contribute? Jezhotwells (talk) 02:22, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

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Nomination of Kevin Winterbottom for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Kevin Winterbottom is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kevin Winterbottom until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. PhantomSteve/talk|contribs\ 08:15, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Mem Fox

Seems User:ROxBo has a highly negative POV to push but trying to use a conviction of a family member on the Mem Fox article. I hardly see why it is relevant in the article. Bidgee (talk) 15:15, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

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Eminem Image

Ok so I went to flickr.com and searched recent and new photos of Eminem. I found some under the CC license. they are images of him performing at Bonnaroo in Manchester, TN on June 11, 2011. it took place at Bonnaroo's What Stage. Here is a link to the images that came up: http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=eminem+bonnaroo&l=cc&ct=0&mt=all&adv=1 I think you shoudl be able to pick an image from there that we can use for his main article. Banan14kab (talk) 04:49, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks like I've got another stalker

Interesting that any undue BLP content I remove John Nevard is not far behind. Bidgee (talk) 07:25, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

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Re:List of shopping malls in New Zealand

I agreed to the wording in the Chadstone article - the edit you've just made is perfectly fine. No issues. -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 08:22, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

We are going to have to work out a way forward at some point, though - it is a bit odd having Chadstone claiming to the the largest shopping centre in the southern hemisphere, but not being able to include it in the List of largest shopping malls in the world, because it isn't as big as Aricanduva. I'm not sure how to resolve the problem, but it appears misleading. - Bilby (talk) 08:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

What I'm waiting for is sources (reliable) to tell us all what the largest shopping centre is, and sources like the one on Chaddy's website to change once it's well-known fact that it isn't largest anymore...that's like false advertisement. :| -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 08:36, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Chadstone is not going to change their claim, irrespective of the status of Aricanduva - it is in their interest to make that claim. And we know that Aricanduva has greater retail space, and is listed as bigger on the Shopping Center Studies site, so the whole thing is screwed unless we decide that we don't need a source saying that Chadstone isn't the biggest in order to remove the claim from the article. Negative sources (x isn't the biggest, y isn't the oldest) are generally very hard to produce. - Bilby (talk) 08:45, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
Well if I found 20 or so different articles claiming Chadstone the largest in a period from '09-11, there are bound to be more sources (new) that would have been updated. If Chadstone really isn't the largest, both yourself and I will expect more sources to come flying in. It's not every day a shopping centre that size is built in the SH... I'm patient, I'll wait until there is new confirmation confirming otherwise. -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 08:55, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
The articles really aren't the proof you tend to think they are - they show that sources present Chadstone as the largest, or that they believe Chadstone to be the largest, but this doesn't mean they're accurate: they could well have been unaware of Aricanduva, given that it is in Brazil and the lack of comparative lists. But either way, that still leaves the problem in place. At some point we will need to work out a way forward. - Bilby (talk) 09:00, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

ANI ClaudioSantos

I see you have had to battle with this guy too. Perhaps you could say something about it here. Speak up now or suffer his edits in perpetuity. Jabbsworth (talk) 07:43, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Took me 5sec to find a source for the Ian Dowbiggin quote you spent 10 sec deleting. You should give improving the page a try. Jabbsworth (talk) 06:33, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm confused - what are you talking about? - Bilby (talk) 07:59, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
Ah - I worked out what you were referring to: Ian Dowbiggin. To be honest, I think the best way of improving the article is probable to kill almost everything in the euthanasia section and drop the quote box, but I'm glad you found a source. - 09:52, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
I think you have improved it now, well done! Jabbsworth (talk) 16:53, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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Ambassador Program: assessment drive

Even though it's been quiet on-wiki, the Wikipedia Ambassador Program has been busy over the last few months getting ready for the next term. We're heading toward over 80 classes in the US, across all disciplines. You'll see courses start popping up here, and this time we want to match one or more Online Ambassadors to each class based on interest or expertise in the subject matter. If you see a class that you're interested, please contact the professor and/or me; the sooner the Ambassadors and professors get in communication, the better things go. Look for more in the coming weeks about next term.

In the meantime, with a little help I've identified all the articles students did significant work on in the last term. Many of the articles have never been assessed, or have ratings that are out of date from before the students improved them. Please help assess them! Pick a class, or just a few articles, and give them a rating (and add a relevant WikiProject banner if there isn't one), and then update the list of articles.

Once we have updated assessments for all these articles, we can get a better idea of how quality varied from course to course, and which approaches to running Wikipedia assignments and managing courses are most effective.

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:21, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Australia

so will i be able to add in the stuff if i turn it into my own words or find the information from another Wikipedia page and give a reference to it.

Talkback

Hello, Bilby. You have new messages at Minimac's talk page.
Message added 19:33, 29 July 2011 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I replied to your message. Hope you understand this. :) Minima© (talk) 19:33, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Soccer

Okay, I have left "Soccer" in place, even though that conversation is quite dubious in nature (apparently what the game is called by AFL fans in Victoria is what counts as 'consensus' and is worthy of replacing the completely factual Association Football title, but I digress). I have kept the Citation of it's official name as "Football" as per the FFA website (how much more 'official' can the name of Football be when the peak body for the game in Australia as well as the worldwide peak body both use it?), much in the same way as the Australian rules Football page has it's own AFL.com citation giving it's official name as "Australian Football". I trust this is acceptable, giving that it is the official name for the game despite what appears to be the "consensus" of slang or 'common usage' in Victoria (I guess if Wikipedia was around 60 years ago the 'consensus title' would be "Wogball in Australia") Should I state this on the talk page? (also, thank you for your message, I would not want to cause more issues). Macktheknifeau (talk) 14:28, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

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Good job

Thanks for taking the time to expand[6] the article. Jesanj (talk) 22:19, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Msr Ledwith

Dear Bilby,

I am not happy with your edits of my entry on Msr Ledwith, who is a very public figure in Ireland and a subject of various controversies. I have re-edited my article to make it objective and also referenced it with quotations from the National broadcaster RTE and a number of Government reports. Such sources must be beyond reproach and fall well within the living biography conditions of Wikipedia. The edition you have consistently revived has far less referenced material and also dwells on pointless biographical data about Msr Ledwith's post clerical career, which would not be of interest to people who would be looking for biographical data on this subject. I made a formal complaint last week about the article you keep restoring, and I have also complained to Wikipedia about your description of my edit as being vandalism. All is fair comment and well researched. I note that you take a keen interest in editing a number of entries into the subject of Catholic scandals in Ireland. If you took the time to observe you would note that some of my contribution is taken directly from other Wikipedia sources, including the entry on Msr Gerard McGinnity and the Ferns report.

Best wishes,

Neil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neil80123 (talk • contribs) 12:37, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

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Online Ambassadors: Time to join pods

Hello! If you're planning to be an active Online Ambassador for the upcoming academic term, now is the time to join one or more pods. (A pod consists of the instructor, the Campus Ambassadors, and the Online Ambassadors for single class.) The Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) explains the expectations for being part of a pod as an Online Ambassador. (The MOU for pods in Canada is essentially the same.) In short, the role of Online Ambassadors this term consists of:

  • Working closely with the instructor and Campus Ambassadors, providing advice and perspective as an experienced Wikipedian
  • Helping students who ask for it (or helping them to find the help they need)
  • Watching out for the class as a whole
  • Helping students to get community feedback on their work

This replaces the 1-on-1 mentoring role for Online Ambassadors that we had in previous terms; rather than being responsible for individual students (some of whom don't want or help or are unresponsive), Online Ambassadors will be there to help whichever students in their class(es) ask for help.

You can browse the upcoming courses here: United States; Canada. More are being added as new pods become active and create their course pages.

Once you've found a class that you want to work with—especially if you some interest or expertise in the topic area—you should sign the MOU listing for that class and get in touch with the instructor. We're hoping to have at least two Online Ambassadors per pod, and more for the larger classes.

If you're up for supporting any kind of class and would like me to assign you to a pod in need of more Online Ambassadors, just let me know.

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 16:30, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

PS: There are still a lot of student articles from the last term that haven't been rated. Please rate a few and update the list!

A pod suggestion for you: Reality Check

Hi Bilby! I'm in the process of trying to find Online Ambassadors to support each of the classes for this coming term, and I thought you'd be a good fit for this one: Wikipedia:United States Education Program/Courses/Reality Check (John Farquhar). It's a philisophy class, and seems somewhat up your alley. If you're up for it, please check out the Memorandum of Understanding (linked above) which sketches the expectations for Online Ambassadors this term, and then you can sign on to class and get in touch with the professor.

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 15:48, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

The course is actually a Freshman, critical-thinking seminar which happens to be paired with a Philosophy of Knowledge course and a Psychology 101 course. So, students take all three courses as a block. The seminar class for which I teach looks at paranormal phenomena and attempts to provide alternative sociopsychological explanations. We will also be looking at Wikipedia as a socially-constructed knowledge base and be experiencing the review and validation of this knowledge processes ourselves. Related wikiprojects include Wikipedia:SKEPTICISM and Wikipedia:PARANORMAL. Hope you are interested in joining us. Realityinvestigator (talk) 21:43, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - that sounds great, and I've added my name. I used to teach critical thinking at a couple of universities, although (unfortunately) they don't formally teach it where I am now, so it will be nice to return to the area - and my thesis is on practical epistemology, which is fun and seems to relate. Admittedly, my first thought on reading the description was Hume's "Of Miracles", which isn't much use, but does make the same observation that is made in the description. :) I'm currently researching the review and validation process on WP, so I may be of some use there if anything comes up. - Bilby (talk) 21:53, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

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removal of my comment

Hi you appear to have removed a comment of mine, why was that? I put it back it looks like a rollback twitch. No worries - Off2riorob (talk) 03:47, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

It must have been an accidental click - my apologies. I didn't see anything stating that I'd made an edit, and certainly didn't deliberately rollback anything, so I'm not sure why I didn't get the usual page that makes it clear that I stuffed up - it might be something to do with this computer. Anyway, thanks for taking care of it, and sorry again for the error. - Bilby (talk) 03:52, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Canberra Roller Derby League

Thanks for the comment. Canberra is my local derby league so I kind of know some of the sources for it. Don't have access to sources for other teams or I might consider trying to improve those. I love the roller derby. :) If you need pictures, I can continue looking through mine to see if I have ones from the interstate bout between Canberra and the Victorians as I have pictures some where on some hard drive. (I just can't find them right now. I found badly done Sydney ones.) --LauraHale (talk) 07:12, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Adelaide Roller Derby

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Victorian Roller Derby League

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

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Victorian Roller Derby League

Berrick, Genevieve (Oct–Nov 2010). "Portraying roller derby". Arena Magazine (108). Fitzroy, Vic: 41–42. ISSN 1039-1010.{{cite journal}}: CS1 maint: date format (link) is a source you might find useful for improving the article if you can gain access to it. I found it on my university library's journal archive. If you can't find a copy, let me know and I can e-mail you the PDF. --LauraHale (talk) 06:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that - it's great! btw, if you need anything from Hit & Miss just let me know. :) - Bilby (talk) 03:35, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

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Hi user Johnnyb.3261 problem

This user has stopped anyone from making edits to Louie Gohmert he did not agree with. First he made edits using three IP address 99.168.72.86, 75.60.185.120, 75.60.186.187 and two user names Jdblack326 and Johnnyb.3261. The IP addresses all trace back to Columbus, Ohio and have the edits are all revert attempts to edit and a section in the article entitled "Implication Obama is complicit in creating a Islamic Caliphate," with the description These statements, accurately reflected in the heading, attracted national attention and are historically significant as example of the type of inflammatory rhetoric that has been employed in the 112th Congress along with hate speech against the Presi)" He has done this thirteen times at least and at least twice today. He will not allow anyone to change this. I have thoroughly engaged in the talkpage. It is time for him to do the same.

--Andy0093 (talk) 01:54, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

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Update on courses and ambassador needs

Hello, Ambassadors!

I wanted to give you one last update on where we are this term, before my role as Online Facilitator wraps up at the end of this week. Already, there are over 800 students in U.S. classes who have signed up on course pages this term. About 40 classes are active, and we're expecting that many more again once all the classes are up and running.

On a personal note, it's been a huge honor to work with so many great Wikipedians over the last 15 months. Thanks so much to everyone who jumped in and decided to give the ambassador concept a try, and double thanks those of you who were involved early on. Your ideas and insights and enthusiasm have been the foundation of the program, and they will be the keys the future of the program.

Courses looking for Online Ambassadors

Still waiting to get involved with a class this term, or ready to take on more? We have seven classes that are already active and need OA support, and eleven more that have course pages started but don't have active students yet. Please consider joining one or more of these pods!

Active courses that really need Online Ambassadors:

Courses that may be active soon that need Online Ambassadors:

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A thank you note

Thanks for your positive contribs at Being Born Again Couture Fashion Show. While I'm wholeheartedly in favor of deleting the article, I think it's important to portray content remaining in the meantime in the most favorable – and most accurate – light. Thanks for lending feedback and actual edits. JFHJr (㊟) 06:25, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I'm not sure where I sit yet in regards to teh AfD, as it looks like there have been some valid points on both sides, but I generally find it easier to decide once the article is cleaned up a bit, and if I'm checking the sources anyway it makes sense to make fixes based on what you find as you go. :) - Bilby (talk) 06:34, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

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Notability concerns and "long-term problems"

Hello Bilby,

Curious, I am, I was wondering, what are the notability concerns and long term problems with the Aziz Shavershian article? I, as you probably may already know, have been working on the article for a while now, and when an editor points concerns out, it makes me think that there is something wrong with my editing. Please, if you can, could you tell me what the concerns are in detail, that way I can fix the article. Thank you! -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 07:16, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Given that you were working on the article, I have no intention of getting involved or getting in your way with it. When you raised it I thought that there might be some long-term notability problems, for, as I recall, he was only really of note after his death, and with people in that situation we tend to end up with vandalism magnets. But I don't see any reason to be concerned on my part - I assume that you're keeping watch on the vandalism issues, if they've emerged, and I would have thought that any notability concerns aren't worth worrying about. - Bilby (talk) 07:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
Mhmm alright, you're correct, there is a lot of vandalism coming through, but I just revert away and warn editors, like there is no tommorow :) Anyway, thank you. -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 09:34, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Infosuicide

The article Infosuicide has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

no sign so far of "reliable sources" using this neologism; see also Wikipedia:NOTNEO

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. CWC 12:53, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

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Uggs time two

No worries. :) I spotted it on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Society, sports, and culture‎ and assumed something like that happened. :) (The other day, I accidentally gave some a huge clutch of kitties on accident because of computer problems and they had to clean them off.) --LauraHale (talk) 04:27, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

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Privacy Policy

Dear Wetman,

I and a colleague have edited a Wikipedia article as part of a class assignment, on the following topic Privacy Policy

Could you please comment on our edit and indicate your opinion of the edit? Any commentary is useful. The assignment is due oct.31 so it would be great if you could give us some input before that thank you, (Kanesham 14:35, 28 October 2011 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanesham (talk • contribs)

Hi. I'll have a look today, assuming this was, in fact, targeted at me. :) - Bilby (talk) 23:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC)


Hey any thoughts? If you can post something up on my user talk page or the discussion page it would be great, thanks again. (Kanesham 14:34, 31 October 2011 (UTC)) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kanesham (talk • contribs)

At first glance it looks really good - I've been over it quickly, and it seems good, well sourced, and well written. There are some minor things I can do to help, and I should probably look into the main text you're using. but it looks really promising. :) I'll get back to you with more involved comments asap. - Bilby (talk) 15:42, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

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Is it even her?

How do you know that the editor is even her? Also, s/he has removed other controversies - that just happened to be sourced. Is S/he going to ask those sources to bury their information, too? -- MST☆R (Chat Me!) 11:00, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not really concerned about the other - I can understand why a subject may not want that passing mention to an issue with Bolt, but it makes more sense. But we don't really need the name of a young daughter, so it seems reasonable just to drop that bit. It won't hurt the article, and it seems likely that she is the subject, so I'm inclined to let it be. I can also understand why, after the recent controversies, the subject may not wish to have her daughter's name included. - Bilby (talk)
So after five edits, you can 100% confirm that is her? 2 of which s/he removed sourced content. This is a little ridiculous, considering I, or well even you can go edit a BLP and then say, "this article is about me". Should we be falling for that? I don't really think so. If we bar that out, what happens to the source already provided? Is s/he going to challenge them to? When if s/he is really her - she was the one who was interviewed in that source. And Bilby, could we start referring to the editor, by their username? I mean, I find it a little fishy, that after five edits, this person claims to be the subject of the article. -- MST☆R (Chat Me!) 11:13, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
I think it is reasonable to assume that it was her. But either way, in this case, having the name of the subject's daughter isn't really needed in the article, and given the presumed age of the daughter, I don't think we really need to include it. The general policy on names of children is to be cautious about including them, and we can use editorial discretion when it comes to them. Other content, of course, is different. - Bilby (talk) 11:17, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Is there any other one of my edits you would like to give constructive critism on? -- MST☆R (Chat Me!) 11:23, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps it would be best if you checked with Worm on how to proceed with the article? I don't want to get involved, and won't beyond this small request, but it is worth being careful where young children are named, even in relatively safe contexts like this. - Bilby (talk) 11:29, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
I had reverted the name, with the source, as per WP:BLPNAME, prior to my latest response. -- MST☆R (Chat Me!) 11:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Thankyou. I really appreciate your consideration of this. - Bilby (talk) 11:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
I should be the one saying thank you - thank you that this didn't end in our usual dispute ending way. Hope we can have discussions like this more often. See you around -- MST☆R (Chat Me!) 11:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh and my edit summary just then was supposed to say, "Ended on a good note" not "night". Just shows how half-asleep I am :) -- MST☆R (Chat Me!) 11:46, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Our good old friend, continues to remove the Bolt section. I have reported he/r to WP:AIV, after she surpassed her L4 Warning. -- MST☆R (Chat Me!) 01:18, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Ok. I hope they agree it was vandalism - Bilby (talk) 01:27, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
You seem to imply it wasn't? Okay, why? -- MST☆R (Chat Me!) 01:33, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if it was or not - I don't spend much time at AIV, and I normally only report the really blatant cases. But if it is seen as a content dispute you may not get the assistance you were looking for there. Perhaps it would be worth raising on BLP/N? - Bilby (talk) 02:02, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

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Campus ambassador article stewardship

Hi Bilby, I'm an Indian editor with a military background. I would like to take over stewardship of List of countries by military expenditures; World military spending by serial number 39, roll number 2042 Shruti Mehta (Economics of the Social Sector Year 2 Group A, Symbiosis school of Economics). Do you have any objections? What do I need to do? AshLin (talk) 13:54, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

I have no problems with you helping there at all. :) I'd like to do a run through for copyvio, but I think having someone with real knowledge of the field would be great. I'm not sure exactly what you would need or want to do, though: the main thing is to check the editor's contributions for problems, remove them if they can't be easily fixed, fix them if they can, and talk to the student about the issues and how they can avoid them. :) - Bilby (talk) 23:00, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Bilby. Will update the article list page and contact the student editor. AshLin (talk) 02:42, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Reality Check course

I've tried to give some guidance to Vkdh who has been tasked to edit Intelligent haunting regarding how Wikipedia treats supernatural claims, but judging by their latest addition they still don't quite grasp that such claims are not treated as encyclopedic fact. I'll let the student's instructor sort it out. - LuckyLouie (talk) 22:02, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. :) I'm working through all of the students at the moment, so I'll try and back up what you've been saying, but it may need to be handled face-to-face. - Bilby (talk) 22:56, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

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Eliminated

It seems you like to be deleted and eliminated. -- ClaudioSantos¿? 05:11, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

I'll wait and see what happens on the discussion. Being edited and having stuff I've written isn't a major concern on Wikiepdia, but I'm not currently in a position to evaluate the changes due to some other commitments. All going well, I'll be able to revisit this before too long. I do think it will probably go too far in the other direction now, but as no one has been inclined to tackle the overall balance problems, and my reading on the subject is still ongoing, it isn't an issue that can be fixed in the short term. - Bilby (talk) 11:07, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
I just made an observation about your work being destoyed no matter the specific contents about which I will not refer to at all. -- ClaudioSantos¿? 20:52, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Making amends

^Obviously what you're not interested in doing. Countless times I have been on your discussion page, and you know what? It has never turned into a good chat. I really don't know what your issue with me is - you always seem to have an axe to grind with me. Either I seem to be making a lot of mistakes, or you are intentionally gunning for me. This is getting really old; and just blantantly shows some people's maturity, at its best. Would you like me to tell you all the time which article I'm editing, just so you can go give your own opinion of it? Because I'm really thinking I should, if that's what you want. -- MST☆R (Chat Me!) 10:08, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

As mentioned before, I bear you no ill will, and I'm sorry that you feel that I do. However, you missed my response at Media copyright questions, and when I realised that the image was not compatible with the licensing requirements on Commons, I had to nominate it for deletion. It was a perfectly understandable error: it is just that sometimes when things are listed as CC on Flickr, the uploader may not have had the ability to release them under that license. - Bilby (talk) 12:54, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
apologies for late reply What I'm just "annoyed" (Don't know if that's the word) about, is that it's always me - I have gone through your contributions; not stalking, but I want answers. You could be at a whole lot of different places, but instead out of the ordinary, you chose to have your say on an answered question - that is no coincidence. May of been the first few times, but after the same pattern, something is clearly wrong. I admit I'm not as experienced as you are, I've been here for nearly a year - still don't know terribly well every policy etc. I dread, unfortunately, communicating with you, because it either will escalate into something else - or will just simply go knowhere. I admit - I have a really tough approach, I almost jump to conclusions all the time, without the facts -- but at the end of the day, I can fix those errors, and apologise. I'm not saying I don't want people to point out my errors - but I'd like a balance. If I'm getting all negatives, then really what is the point of me being here? There isn't. Now frankly, there is some "tension" between us - don't deny it - I wasn't born yesterday. What I want to know, and could you give suggestions to - what can we do, to get along with eachother? I can tell you right now, I'm here for the long run - and you most definately are too. I want to get along with you. Look hopefully I'm making some type of sense.. -- MST☆R (Chat Me!) 10:36, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
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