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Thanks :) jonkerz ♠ 03:57, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion contested: Alampur Baneshan (mango)

Hello Jonkerz, and thanks for patrolling new pages! I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Alampur Baneshan (mango), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Contains sufficient content to be a stub. You may wish to review the Criteria for Speedy Deletion before tagging further pages. Thank you. The leftorium 22:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Help

Hey, could u move this page Fearless Love, to Fearless Love. That komma is wrong. Regards CarlosGean (talk) 13:30, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

No problems, the page is now moved and found at its new name Fearless Love. jonkerz ♠ 13:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank u. CarlosGean (talk) 13:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC) But why cant i move it ? It´s not shown the name "move" on the top of the page....Rsss I´m working on portuguese wikipedia and i sometimes come here to add some iws etc... CarlosGean (talk) 13:40, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to explain. Only autoconfirmed users may move pages, which means you will be able to move pages after you've made five additional edits. The full manual entry can be found here: Help:Moving a page. Atenciosamente, jonkerz ♠ 13:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again for help and explanations. best regards CarlosGean (talk) 13:54, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Beer festival

Thanks for fixing the link farm at Beer festival, it certainly needed doing. I have now put a dmoz link on there (a great way to combat link farms) and a {{nomorelinks}} notice. --Biker Biker (talk) 21:07, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Happy to help! Category:Wikipedia external links cleanup has become my second home lately ;) The dmoz link is far better, jonkerz♠ 21:41, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Banana

Hi there.

Thanks for your message. I see you have moved the article from Banana Cultivars to Bananas. Yeah, sounds ok :) Glad you added more (expanded) info about the Banana in food usage and other topics. are there spieces of bananas? Normally in the other fauna templates they have species like apple has apple spieces and pears have pyrus species.

Just to let you know, I don't have any particular attachment to the template and I'm happy for you or anyone to improve on my work. Good work, nice image file :) Visik (talk) 02:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Cool :) About species I've no idea, I just ate a banana and felt a sudden urge to edit the template. I'll definitely look into it and if without results leave it for the banana nerds, there must be a few of them here on Wikipedia ;) Cheers, jonkerz ♠ 02:42, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi again. Thanks for your help. Hope they are more food nerds around to help out. I have created additional food templates such as Template:Glutinous rice dishes and Template:Rice dishes, Template:Mangoes and Template:Allium. If you want to help improve them, go for it. Visik (talk) 08:26, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Hey, you had a pretty badass wiki night yesterday with a lot of edits, kudos to you ;) Today I need to procrastinate my wiki editing with school stuff (grrr!) ;) I'll take a look at your recently created templates tomorrow after my final exam before the summer! jonkerz ♠ 20:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

ROFL. thats it aye. had a light bulb moment yesterday, went hardcore on templates. No worries, school is important, that should be your first priority. take your time. Good luck with your exams. cya around. Visik (talk) 07:25, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Hospice

Hello, Jonkerz. You have new messages at Talk:Hospice#EL_section.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Answered at Talk:Hospice#EL_section. jonkerz ♠ 20:24, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Tehran Community school question

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Community_High_School_Tehran,_Iran&action=history

You removed all EL. saying they were promos or non-contributing I don't think any of the advertisements in the yearbooks are valid anymore. It's true the yearbooks are posted on a site which has a front page with links to a commercial bookseller but there are not direct links from the yearbook pages to the frontpage. In other words, nothing compels someone to see anything other than the yearbook. As for the reunions: are you really going to say these are not important to the continued existence of a school that no longer exists except in the minds of its former students? How is a PDF of a diploma non-contributing?

The school should only exist on Wikipedia as history as written by a biased and sometime administrator of same school?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Xenicon (talk • contribs) 16:39, 2 June 2010 (UTC) .

Hi Xenicon, thanks for your response.

The links in question are six in total, four of them could be classified as reunion/yearbook (CHS Reunion, Class of '79, Yearbook 1976, Yearbook 1975) and two are pdf graduation announcements/diplomas (Class of '74 graduation announcement, Class of '74 graduation diploma).

Reunion/yearbook

"As for the reunions: are you really going to say these are not important to the continued existence of a school that no longer exists except in the minds of its former students?" Since I've never been a student of the school I'm not questioning that but take your word for it: they may very well be highly important to former students; that said, it doesn't mean they are encyclopedic, hence belonging the the article. Also, promotional does not refer only to commercial links. Perhaps I could have used another description in the edit summary to avoid confusion, but the question concerning the links' encyclopedic value withstands.

Announcements/diplomas

As for the announcement and diploma links and I must say they are non-contributing. Keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a place link all possible external links on a given article's subject and ask yourself if announcement and diplomas should be linked from all high school's articles. If not, in order for them to be linked they must be of uttermost importance, a criteria I fail to see being met in this case. jonkerz ♠ 22:12, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for yr reply but you should perhaps explain "encyclopedic, hence belonging the the article" . The yearbooks in particular are interesting because they are a photographic record of a time and place. So much that a yearbook would have no place in the actual article but provide details relevant to the subject. I can see how the reunions are less relevant since they are about the students and not the place. The diplomas probably ephemera. But the yearbooks? I don't follow yr argument. There was, earlier in the history, some discussion about these EL. You might review if you haven't already. As best I can make out linking to the yearbooks in particular does not violate any guidelines. Can you clarify if this is a misunderstanding? Thanks for your reply Xenicon (talk) 13:10, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

here is the relevant part: "Your instructions "Please, read the WP:External links guideline. These ext links don't meet the criteria for inclusion." I do not understand why links showing class information of a defunct school is irrelevant to the article? Whereas a long pompous self-serving exposition by a former headmaster is somehow more informative? This is the section of WP;External Links I believe relevant: "Some acceptable links include those that contain further research that is accurate and on-topic, information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or amount of detail, or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy." By this criteria external links to say a school yearbook of a hundred of more pages should be permitted. Likewise with a site devoted to a reunion of those classmates. It is not as if the school exists in any other place except in those few yearbook, pictures, and people. Can you explain why you disallow these? Xenicon (talk) 18:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC) It is our policy that Wikipedia is not a repository of external links and our external links sections are not meant to be directories. Our external links sections should enhance a reader's encyclopedic understanding of a subject, they shouldn't point to every page written about the subject. In particular, our external links should link to encyclopedic information on a subject that we can't technically write into the article, such as large blocks of text, interview transcripts, photo galleries, etc. See also WP:ELNO, our section on external links to be avoided. ThemFromSpace 19:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

"encyclopedic understanding" of a school should perhaps include photographs of what happened at that school during a particular time without additional filters? Permitted: "such as large...photo galleries" I still do not see where your objection occurs in view of what you quoted from the guidelines."Xenicon (talk) 17:30, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi again,

After browsing through the history it seems like I was the third editor removing the links in the last two months (first here, later here), and also the third editor classifying them as non-encyclopedic. One of the problems with linking individual yearbooks is that there are more yearbooks than the three that were linked. Hardly every single yearbook in the school's ~170 years of existence is of interest, neither are the ones subject of this discussion.

Your are right that the exposition by one of the former headmasters does not meet the criteria for inclusion. The article is not a place to put the text, and the letter is also a possible copyvio. It's now removed, thanks for pointing it out. However, that text is (was) not relevant to the discussion concerning the external linking of the yearbooks, keep WP:OTHERSTUFF in mind.

"The yearbooks in particular are interesting because they are a photographic record of a time and place." certainly they are photographic records, but of Class of '75, '76 and '79, not Community High School Tehran, Iran — the subject of the article. There are tons of sites dedicated to the collecting of yearbooks, but Wikipedia is not one of them. jonkerz ♠ 04:41, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Latin American literature

You are absolutely right about the dominant usage of this term, which is without a hyphen. I moved the article.--Lawrlafo (talk) 07:33, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the page, as a non-native speaker this kind of subtle matters are pretty hard to get right ;) jonkerz ♠ 22:03, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

tehran community school ( Reprise)

Hello Jonkerz:

Whether there are three editors or not doesn't change the the fundamental problem that some EL are legit and useful even if quibbling persists. Interesting. I think had you looked at the yearbooks you would have seen that all classes from 7th grade to 12 are represented, that is to say all students attending. These are not single class year books rather records of single years which include staff, teachers, busdrivers, and plenty of shots of crowds, buildings, etc. Have a look. I suppose you could argue that unless you have a book of all students who ever attended than any yearbook is necessarily an incomplete record and therefore ineligible for wikipedia. But I think that would be a dogmatic and inflexible view and one that lessens what could be known for a small lexical victory.

In my opinion they do not belong to the article, but you may very well be right. After our long discussion I've partly revised my beliefs and would say the yearbooks are ok — feel free to re-add them if no objections arise on the talk page. Regarding the other links I'm not able to explain my reasoning in a more precise manner; if you have any objections to keeping them unlinked we would need to consult a WP:THIRD. There is a noticeboard for this, WP:ELN. If needed you could bring the discussion up there, but I hope we have reached a settlement of this matter. jonkerz ♠ 21:43, 13 June 2010 (UTC)

Film Superlist

Apparently you have not seen any of these books, otherwise you would not have removed the Category "Copyright Law" from the page (I restored it). The front matter of each book extensively discusses how U.S. copyright law relating to film has evolved over the past 100 years, and how it applies to using public domain film on a practical basis. When you have had the opportunity to read the latest editions of each Film Superlist, if you still believe they do not relate to copyright law, please contact me with your reasons.Aardvarkzz (talk) 08:51, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Hi, if you didn't notice the article is already in that category by being tagged with Category:Copyright law literature, a sub-category of Category:Copyright law. I removed it to avoid overcategorization, and it should be removed again. jonkerz ♠ 09:01, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Yes, sometimes Wikipedia has too many categories, so I removed it again. Does Wikipedia have a committee that consolidates redundant categories?Aardvarkzz (talk) 19:11, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Category:Copyright law really needed to be diffused. There's no specifically designated noticeboard or XfD, etc. that I'm aware of, I guess this kind of discussions goes on articles' and user talk pages as most other stuff. Cheers, jonkerz ♠ 00:11, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Nick Murphy (Writer)

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Hey SDPatrolBot II, you make my talk page look messy ;) the redirect was created from a page move while doing some cleanup, I didn't do it myself ;) The page can be speedied now, as only non-CSD link leading to it has been updated. jonkerz ♠ 00:04, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Mummy

Google and google translate may help you rewrite the refs.Nature following and the Tao (talk) 16:59, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

I took a quick glance at the Google Translate versions of the articles, but it's still too hard to get all the Chinese names right. I'll be out of town for a few days, but may look deeper into the links later. They are probably sorted out more effectively by a Chinese speaking contributor; perhaps you are that editor? ;) Cheers, jonkerz ♠ 04:17, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Mummification may be very common. Would these decompose? 10 Famous Incidences of Death by Radiation Nature following and the Tao (talk) 16:50, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

I guess they are decomposed by now, since death by radiation does not automatically lead to mummification. jonkerz ♠ 18:57, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ubiratan Guimarães

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The Geography Barnstar

		The Geography Barnstar
		For your fine work in starting a series of articles on Colombian national parks and protected areas, I award you this barnstar. Wear it with pride. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:22, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Excellent work! --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:22, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Sure and it's my pleasure - happy to be of help. :-) --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 20:44, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Crime and Punishment (play)

Thank you for taking the time to check the DYK nomination for this; this is just a comment, for your information.

You said it was "a few hours more than 5 days", but actually it was not; you need to check the actual date it went live, not the creation of the page - especially important for articles created via AFC or as userspace drafts.

The article was made live at 19:26, 12 July 2010, and I submitted the DYK at 20:30, 14 July 2010. Cheers, Chzz ► 17:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I assumed 12:25, 9 July was the date, since it was so close to the five day limit. Decided that a few hours wouldn't matter (maybe it does?) I forgot to look for moves. It was my one of the "first days on the job" as a DYK reviewer ;) I'll be more careful in the future. Cheers, jonkerz ♠ 02:38, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Puracé National Natural Park

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DYK for Coffee production in Brazil

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The DYK project (nominate) 00:05, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Read Coffee production in Brazil. Good work of study on an important subject. Best luck for future projects. Shivashree (talk) 03:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks :), jonkerz ♠ 11:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Puracé National Natural Park

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DYK for Salamanca Island Road Park

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DYK for Farallones de Cali National Natural Park

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DYK for Los Nevados National Natural Park

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DYK for Las Hermosas National Natural Park

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DYK for Tamá National Natural Park

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