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What about her? According to the BBC, [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8175421.stm One of the last queens of India, Gayatri Devi, once described as one of the most beautiful women in the world... The fashion icon broke with tradition by winning election to parliament in 1962... She supported education for women, and founded a prestigious school in Jaipur... They spent the summers in Europe... ''Vogue'' magazine once listed her among the "World's Ten Most Beautiful Women"... During the 1970s, the then-Prime Minister Indira Gandhi abolished the last royal privileges, and Gayatri Devi was jailed for five months for violating tax laws.] More coverage: [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/29/AR2009072901616.html ''Washington Post''] [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1203058/Gayatri-Devi-queen-Jaipur-dies-90.html?ITO=1490 ''Daily Mail''] [http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090729/jsp/frontpage/story_112954261.jsp ''Calcutta Telegraph''] [http://www.indianexpress.com/news/rajmata-gayatari-devi-passes-away/495616/ ''Indian Express''] [http://www.thehindu.com/holnus/001200907291712.htm ''The Hindu''] [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/royalty-obituaries/5934077/Rajmata-Gayatri-Devi.html ''The Daily Telegraph''] Sounds like she had several careers anyway... --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</font> 19:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC) |
What about her? According to the BBC, [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8175421.stm One of the last queens of India, Gayatri Devi, once described as one of the most beautiful women in the world... The fashion icon broke with tradition by winning election to parliament in 1962... She supported education for women, and founded a prestigious school in Jaipur... They spent the summers in Europe... ''Vogue'' magazine once listed her among the "World's Ten Most Beautiful Women"... During the 1970s, the then-Prime Minister Indira Gandhi abolished the last royal privileges, and Gayatri Devi was jailed for five months for violating tax laws.] More coverage: [http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/29/AR2009072901616.html ''Washington Post''] [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1203058/Gayatri-Devi-queen-Jaipur-dies-90.html?ITO=1490 ''Daily Mail''] [http://www.telegraphindia.com/1090729/jsp/frontpage/story_112954261.jsp ''Calcutta Telegraph''] [http://www.indianexpress.com/news/rajmata-gayatari-devi-passes-away/495616/ ''Indian Express''] [http://www.thehindu.com/holnus/001200907291712.htm ''The Hindu''] [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/royalty-obituaries/5934077/Rajmata-Gayatri-Devi.html ''The Daily Telegraph''] Sounds like she had several careers anyway... --<font face="serif">[[User: Candlewicke|<span style="color:red">can</span>]][[User:Candlewicke/List of signatories|<span style="color:black">dle</span>]][[WP:ITN/C|•]][[User talk:Candlewicke|<span style="color:green">wicke</span>]]</font> 19:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC) |
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July 29
- Nigerian battles
- The death toll in Nigeria's worst violence since November 2008 reaches over 250. (The Sydney Morning Herald)
- Boko Haram members flee Maiduguri after the military storms their leader's base and overruns their enclave. (BBC)
- São Tomé and Príncipe signs a loan deal with former colonial power Portugal aimed at anchoring the dobra to the euro. (BBC)
- Moldova goes to the polls for a parliamentary election, with an exit poll suggesting a setback for the Communist Party. (Boston Globe) (BBC) (Reuters) (The Moscow Tkmes) (Time)[permanent dead link]
- Massoud Barzani is re-elected President of Kurdistan. (IOL)
- Guinea-Bissau former leader Malam Bacai Sanhá wins a presidential run-off to decide who replaces the assassinated João Bernardo Vieira. (BBC)
- A car bomb explodes outside a police barracks in the northern Spanish city of Burgos, injuring dozens of people. (RTÉ) (Sky News)
- An Internet blog belonging to a group calling itself "al-Qaeda Organisation Indonesia" claims responsibility for the July 17 Jakarta hotel bombings. (IOL)
- Iran announces it is to put 20 people detained during protests on trial after the disputed presidential election. (Xinhua) (AFP)
- Venezuela "freezes" diplomatic relations with Colombia, after a dispute over Swedish weapons bought by Venezuela were allegedly found on FARC rebels. (Colombia Reports) (El Universal)[permanent dead link] (BBC)
- Dozens of people are arrested at opposition rallies in Kyrgyzstan, protesting against the disputed presidential election. (Press TV) (AFP) (The Straits Times)
- China announces it will reduce its use of the death penalty for all but the most serious crimes. (China Daily) (Reuters India) (BBC)
- The trial of Sudanese journalist and United Nations worker Lubna Ahmed Hussein, who faces 40 lashes for wearing trousers, is adjourned. (BBC)
- French President Nicolas Sarkozy claims he is fine after his fainting fit. (IOL)
- The International Monetary Fund says it will take "unprecedented" measures to help poor countries cope with the economic downturn. (BBC)
- Cuba and Russia sign a deal which allows Russia to begin oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico. (BBC)
- A rocket is launched from Kazakhstan carrying two British-built satellites designed to help monitor natural disasters. (BBC)
ITN candidates for July 29
- Death of Leela Naidu
What is happening to all the beautiful women in India? ...crowned Miss India in 1955 and renowned for her beauty, starred in films including the award-winning Anuradha. Indian president Pratibha Patil said her work had "delighted Hindi film-goers across the country". Film-maker Shyam Benegal, who directed Naidu in 1985 movie Trikaal, said her death was "a loss to the film industry"... once featured in a Vogue magazine list of the most beautiful women in the world... One of world’s ‘most beautiful women’ dies Leela Naidu put India on the map Leela Naidu defined 'face of India' to the world Leela Naidu personified grace and beauty BOLLYWOOD LEGEND NAIDU DIES Leela Naidu passes away Flower in the shade: Leela Naidu passes away I think the first one might be more significant but this has lots of coverage so who knows? The President has commented which would be the equivalent of Barack Obama on Michael Jackson/politics meets entertainment I suppose. Discuss... --candle•wicke 19:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Death of Gayatri Devi
What about her? According to the BBC, One of the last queens of India, Gayatri Devi, once described as one of the most beautiful women in the world... The fashion icon broke with tradition by winning election to parliament in 1962... She supported education for women, and founded a prestigious school in Jaipur... They spent the summers in Europe... Vogue magazine once listed her among the "World's Ten Most Beautiful Women"... During the 1970s, the then-Prime Minister Indira Gandhi abolished the last royal privileges, and Gayatri Devi was jailed for five months for violating tax laws. More coverage: Washington Post Daily Mail Calcutta Telegraph Indian Express The Hindu The Daily Telegraph Sounds like she had several careers anyway... --candle•wicke 19:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is this some sort of joke? Neither of these deaths was unexpected. Start Existing (talk) 19:58, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yahoo
- Microsoft and Yahoo! confirm a web search deal, where Bing and Yahoo! Search merge. Cargoking talk 12:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- A lot of people aren't too hot on Internet articles appearing on ITN. Nonetheless, it seems to have notability enough to appear on ITN. I'm on the fence, though. SpencerT♦Nominate! 15:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- The danger being that this is the Internet, this is a website and that posting any or every web story that occurs risks being biased... will it change the world? --candle•wicke 16:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- although merger of two of the 3 biggest internet search giants is pretty big. Ashish-g55 16:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would support if the article was a bit better. --Tone 16:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's the lead story on the AP wire right now, according to Yahoo News. (Or maybe Yahoo Inc. has some influence on the placement of stories?) -- Mwalcoff (talk) 16:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would think so. A company saying it is popular? --candle•wicke 19:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Maybe I'm naive, but I doubt Yahoo messes with the order of AP stories. I've seen stories on there that make Yahoo Inc. look bad. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 19:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would think so. A company saying it is popular? --candle•wicke 19:19, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's the lead story on the AP wire right now, according to Yahoo News. (Or maybe Yahoo Inc. has some influence on the placement of stories?) -- Mwalcoff (talk) 16:43, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would support if the article was a bit better. --Tone 16:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- although merger of two of the 3 biggest internet search giants is pretty big. Ashish-g55 16:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- The danger being that this is the Internet, this is a website and that posting any or every web story that occurs risks being biased... will it change the world? --candle•wicke 16:07, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
July 28
- At least fifteen people die and at least 65 more disappear after a boat carrying 200 Haitian migrants sinks near the Turks and Caicos Islands. (BBC) (Daily Express) (Houston Chronicle) (Reuters) (Toronto Star)
- Violence in Nigeria continues as troops shell the home of Ustaz Mohammed Yusuf in Maiduguri, Borno State. (BBC) (The Miami Herald)
- England and Japan will stage the Rugby World Cup in 2015 and 2019 respectively. (BBC) (The Guardian) (RTÉ) (Taiwan News) (The Times)
- The United States and China continue the first U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue. (The Washington Post)
- South African police clash with about 200 protesters at an informal settlement outside Johannesburg. (BBC)
- Kashmiri minister Omar Abdullah resigns over claims he was involved in a sex trafficking and underage prostitution racket. (The Times)
- The Garda Síochána and Metropolitan Police Service in London arrest and charge three men in connection with Ireland's largest cocaine seizure in West Cork in July 2007. (RTÉ)
- Abdelkader Belliraj, accused of leading an Islamist militant group and committing six murders in Belgium, is sentenced to life imprisonment in Morocco. (BBC)
- Efforts to free two aid workers from Ireland and Uganda who were kidnapped in Darfur on 3 July are said to be "ongoing". (RTÉ)
- Iran releases 140 people detained in its post-election unrest as the supreme leader orders a prison where jailed protesters were killed be closed. (The Daily Telegraph) (Press TV)
- Uyghur activist Rebiya Kadeer lands in Tokyo despite anger from China. (BBC) (China Daily) (The Japan Times)
- Protests outside Croke Park threaten to disrupt U2's 360° Tour Gothenburg dates and several football matches. (Bloomberg) (CBC) (The Guardian) (NME) (RTÉ) (Taiwan News)
- AIDS campaigners and human rights groups accuse the Cambodian government of herding HIV-affected families into an "Aids colony" outside Phnom Penh. (The Guardian)
- Licia Nunez, a model and soap opera actress, admits meeting Silvio Berlusconi at a health spa in 2008 but denies she is a prostitute. (The Times)
- A national memorial is to be erected and a national day of remembrance is considered in Ireland for victims of child abuse. (Irish Examiner)
- The longlist for the 2009 Man Booker Prize is announced. (The Guardian)
- Chinese scientists announce the discovery of "vampire gene", Tryp-SPc. (AsiaNews)
- Italian officials evacuate a newly built hospital in Agrigento in western Sicily after tests show it risked collapse in an earthquake. (BBC)
- 22 people are killed, 41 are injured and seven are missing after heavy rain and floods in Sichuan. (China Daily)
ITN candidates for July 28
- Death of Merce Cunningham
"The American choreographer Merce Cunningham, one of the creative giants of the 20th century, has died... bringing to a close one of the most extraordinary careers in dance... Cunningham was an unreconstructed revolutionary... For more than 50 years he remained true to his avant-garde instincts, refusing to follow any fashion but the one he spawned..." I wonder if it is suitable... --candle•wicke 17:02, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- quite a bit of deaths lately. not that they went on main page but i think we rejected some that were more notable than this... Ashish-g55 17:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Candlewicke, I support because Cunningham was the greatest living choreographer. It might help your cause if you can explain why Walter Cronkite, one of the two greatest broadcast journalists who ever lived, did not go up. :-) -SusanLesch (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Um, consensus maybe? I thought Cronkite was called the greatest though? I'm just doing as I always do, browsing the newspapers and raising anything which may be possible. My "cause" is not to see this posted over any others. --candle•wicke 17:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- i am going to oppose this on the basis that he was great in his field but not famous worldwide. I think deaths should only go up if they are at MJ level. Every field will have a "greatest" and every country has their own fields too so its just too many to put on. Ashish-g55 18:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ashishg55, Cunningham was known in Europe before he was known in the United States. (obituary says "International fame came to him before national fame.") -SusanLesch (talk) 18:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- well i worded it poorly. by international i dont mean few countries. i mean like MJ fame. I would put Nelson Mandela in in MJ category. so that kind of notability. but its upto other ppl i suppose. i just think deaths should be a lot stricter than other news. Ashish-g55 18:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just shows to go ya that you guys or gals are 100% wishy washy. ;-) -SusanLesch (talk) 18:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I still have my principle of unexpected death not going up unless they are extenuating circumstances. I go to an arts academy and don't know who Cunningham is. I'm afraid I'll have to oppose. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm gonna have to say oppose on this one. It seems that putting Jacko's death up has opened the proverbial flood gates with regards to deaths! Anyway my reasons are the same as always. Whilst this person may be well known in their field, the age of death is, for me, the problem. Had they been 50 I would probably support, because they were internationally known in their field and the death would have been unexpected. As it is, Cunningham was 90 and thus the death is not unexpected. I tend to agree with Ashishg's logic that anyone who goes up on ITN at this age, has to be known well enough for who they are or what they have achieved and I don't think Cunningham passes this test. I always use Tim Berners-Lee as the acid test - say his name to someone and they'll probably never have heard of him - tell someone what he was famous for and everyone knows that --Daviessimo (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- That's fine, I had never heard of this person either. However, it is difficult to determine just who exactly is well-known (even Michael Jackson is probably unknown on a remote island somewhere) so I just thought I'd nominate this one as it was an American getting a great obituary in The Times of the UK. --candle•wicke 20:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm gonna have to say oppose on this one. It seems that putting Jacko's death up has opened the proverbial flood gates with regards to deaths! Anyway my reasons are the same as always. Whilst this person may be well known in their field, the age of death is, for me, the problem. Had they been 50 I would probably support, because they were internationally known in their field and the death would have been unexpected. As it is, Cunningham was 90 and thus the death is not unexpected. I tend to agree with Ashishg's logic that anyone who goes up on ITN at this age, has to be known well enough for who they are or what they have achieved and I don't think Cunningham passes this test. I always use Tim Berners-Lee as the acid test - say his name to someone and they'll probably never have heard of him - tell someone what he was famous for and everyone knows that --Daviessimo (talk) 19:51, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I still have my principle of unexpected death not going up unless they are extenuating circumstances. I go to an arts academy and don't know who Cunningham is. I'm afraid I'll have to oppose. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just shows to go ya that you guys or gals are 100% wishy washy. ;-) -SusanLesch (talk) 18:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- well i worded it poorly. by international i dont mean few countries. i mean like MJ fame. I would put Nelson Mandela in in MJ category. so that kind of notability. but its upto other ppl i suppose. i just think deaths should be a lot stricter than other news. Ashish-g55 18:29, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ashishg55, Cunningham was known in Europe before he was known in the United States. (obituary says "International fame came to him before national fame.") -SusanLesch (talk) 18:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- i am going to oppose this on the basis that he was great in his field but not famous worldwide. I think deaths should only go up if they are at MJ level. Every field will have a "greatest" and every country has their own fields too so its just too many to put on. Ashish-g55 18:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Um, consensus maybe? I thought Cronkite was called the greatest though? I'm just doing as I always do, browsing the newspapers and raising anything which may be possible. My "cause" is not to see this posted over any others. --candle•wicke 17:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Candlewicke, I support because Cunningham was the greatest living choreographer. It might help your cause if you can explain why Walter Cronkite, one of the two greatest broadcast journalists who ever lived, did not go up. :-) -SusanLesch (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Omar Abdullah resigns
"The leading elected politician in Indian Kashmir resigned today over allegations that he was involved in a sex trafficking and underage prostitution racket." --candle•wicke 16:45, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Disgusting, but I'm not sure that he's a high-enough level politician to go up. However, we did have the Eliot Spitzer prostitution thing up (or was it removed?). SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:08, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose it's at a sub-national level. If this was Mr Singh, I'd support. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- There is a need to be consistent though... if US states go up then why not Indian or Chinese regional divisions for example... --candle•wicke 20:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- They shouldn't I'd oppose Spitzer if it happened today. Therequiembellishere (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Why New York and not Kashmir? Because this is the English-language encyclopedia and we have many times more users in the U.S. than in India or China, despite the large populations of the latter countries. News value doesn't follow mathematical logic -- you can't say "If X is newsworthy and Y is another country's version of X, than Y is newsworthy." That's not how it works. No news outlet works that way. Note that I'm not opposing the nomination, just making a point about making comparisons. And yes, I know English is a lingua franca of India. Come to think of it, we probably do have many readers in India (although not nearly as many as in the U.S. or UK), and if this is a super-major story nationally in India, I'd be supportive of it going up. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I am not supporting/opposing as i dont yet know enough about this issue. just to comment on Mwalcoff's point. ur logic still resides on the fact that wikipedia has more users in US so new york news is more prominent. This is flawed logic. As u said this is english language "encyclopedia". news value is not determined by which users visit the encyclopedia its determined via logical comparison to other prominent news. a comparison with users visiting from particular country can never make rich encyclopedia. it will only contain similar type events hence heavily biased. Ashish-g55 21:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, that wasn't my argument at all! Neither is worthy of the main page IMHO. If your not a major national official, I couldn't care less if you're thrown out because you screwed some secretary! Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- are u saying this to candlewicke? lol. getting confused :( Ashish-g55 21:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- ☺ Well I certainly don't recall "screwing" any secretaries... :P --candle•wicke 02:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- @ Mwalcoff: And if the sources are available and someone (who may not even be from that country but still might be interested) is willing to spend time nominating, preparing and updating it? Should it still be refused then because some readers might not be interested in the politics of what to them is such a faraway place? --candle•wicke 21:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- ok after reading properly. i oppose on grounds that its just some random resigning. if he killed a person and thats why he was forced to resign then it would be a lot more interesting. ppl sleeping with prostitutes is really not ITN material. I think it was mistake to post it for US case and it would be repeating the mistake for this case (even though for sake of being neutral it should be posted but seriously this isnt ITN worthy news). Ashish-g55 21:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, it was to Mwalcoff. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- @Candlewicke: If it meets all other ITN criteria, I wouldn't mind putting it up because I think we ought to strive for geographical diversity. However, at the same time, I object to the kind of mathematical-logical reasoning that I talked about. You can't draw exact comparisons between two countries, nor should we make blanket statements like, "Sub-national political news should not go up on ITN." Not to pick on the Third World, but I'd bet there would be a lot more interest among our readers in Sarah Palin's resignation as governor of Alaska or something involving Arnold Schwarzenegger than in a national-level event in São Tomé and Príncipe and, just as importantly, the namespace article about Palin or Arnold is likely of much higher quality than that of the president of São Tomé and Príncipe. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, it was to Mwalcoff. Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- ok after reading properly. i oppose on grounds that its just some random resigning. if he killed a person and thats why he was forced to resign then it would be a lot more interesting. ppl sleeping with prostitutes is really not ITN material. I think it was mistake to post it for US case and it would be repeating the mistake for this case (even though for sake of being neutral it should be posted but seriously this isnt ITN worthy news). Ashish-g55 21:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- are u saying this to candlewicke? lol. getting confused :( Ashish-g55 21:42, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, that wasn't my argument at all! Neither is worthy of the main page IMHO. If your not a major national official, I couldn't care less if you're thrown out because you screwed some secretary! Therequiembellishere (talk) 21:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I am not supporting/opposing as i dont yet know enough about this issue. just to comment on Mwalcoff's point. ur logic still resides on the fact that wikipedia has more users in US so new york news is more prominent. This is flawed logic. As u said this is english language "encyclopedia". news value is not determined by which users visit the encyclopedia its determined via logical comparison to other prominent news. a comparison with users visiting from particular country can never make rich encyclopedia. it will only contain similar type events hence heavily biased. Ashish-g55 21:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Why New York and not Kashmir? Because this is the English-language encyclopedia and we have many times more users in the U.S. than in India or China, despite the large populations of the latter countries. News value doesn't follow mathematical logic -- you can't say "If X is newsworthy and Y is another country's version of X, than Y is newsworthy." That's not how it works. No news outlet works that way. Note that I'm not opposing the nomination, just making a point about making comparisons. And yes, I know English is a lingua franca of India. Come to think of it, we probably do have many readers in India (although not nearly as many as in the U.S. or UK), and if this is a super-major story nationally in India, I'd be supportive of it going up. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- They shouldn't I'd oppose Spitzer if it happened today. Therequiembellishere (talk) 20:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- There is a need to be consistent though... if US states go up then why not Indian or Chinese regional divisions for example... --candle•wicke 20:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose it's at a sub-national level. If this was Mr Singh, I'd support. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Abdelkader Belliraj
- Abdelkader Belliraj, accused of leading an Islamist militant group and committing six murders in Belgium, is sentenced to life imprisonment in Morocco. [1] Can anyone update the article? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:28, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I can. Updating article now... Otumba (talk) 16:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Are you an angel in disguise? Thanks! --BorgQueen (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Lol, no problem. :) Right, is the article ok now? Also, looking at the AP source cited, Belliraj wasn't convicted of the murders. He has been accused of them, but he wasn't charged on those. Perhaps a better ITN sentence might be one that revolves around his conviction for plotting terrorist attacks in Morocco? Otumba (talk) 17:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- As for the blurb, yes. The article still needs some minor cleanups and an infobox. I can take care of that. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Gotcha. Looking again at the suggested ITN sentence above, it doesn't say he was convicted for murder, so my apologies for the misreading. However, I think it does give the impression he was convicted for murder. How about this for a suggestion: Abdelkader Belliraj, accused of leading an Islamist militant group, is sentenced to life in prison for plotting attacks in Morocco? Otumba (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ok. I will post it in a couple of hours, after I finish the cleanups. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:23, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Gotcha. Looking again at the suggested ITN sentence above, it doesn't say he was convicted for murder, so my apologies for the misreading. However, I think it does give the impression he was convicted for murder. How about this for a suggestion: Abdelkader Belliraj, accused of leading an Islamist militant group, is sentenced to life in prison for plotting attacks in Morocco? Otumba (talk) 17:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- As for the blurb, yes. The article still needs some minor cleanups and an infobox. I can take care of that. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Lol, no problem. :) Right, is the article ok now? Also, looking at the AP source cited, Belliraj wasn't convicted of the murders. He has been accused of them, but he wasn't charged on those. Perhaps a better ITN sentence might be one that revolves around his conviction for plotting terrorist attacks in Morocco? Otumba (talk) 17:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Are you an angel in disguise? Thanks! --BorgQueen (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. Otumba (talk) 17:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Turks and Caicos Islands—people die!
(BBC) (Daily Express) (Houston Chronicle) --candle•wicke 14:11, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, when everyone is accounted for. Cargoking talk 14:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just 2 confirmed dead according to the BBC. I say wait a bit longer until more are confirmed dead. SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'll wait for more information. It sadly depends on the death toll. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's nine now just to let you know. --candle•wicke 19:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Eleven. --candle•wicke 20:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- That's the article - 2009 Turks and Caicos Islands migrant shipwreck - TouLouse (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, still doing it, I based the title and categories on 2009 Mediterranean Sea migrant shipwreck... --candle•wicke 20:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support if the death toll continues to rise, which I suspect it will, given that there are still 70+ missing. --Daviessimo (talk) 20:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yeah, still doing it, I based the title and categories on 2009 Mediterranean Sea migrant shipwreck... --candle•wicke 20:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- That's the article - 2009 Turks and Caicos Islands migrant shipwreck - TouLouse (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Eleven. --candle•wicke 20:03, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's nine now just to let you know. --candle•wicke 19:34, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'll wait for more information. It sadly depends on the death toll. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just 2 confirmed dead according to the BBC. I say wait a bit longer until more are confirmed dead. SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, when everyone is accounted for. Cargoking talk 14:16, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Any support? The article seems to be well-updated already. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Silence means yes? :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 19:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Going to post soon, believing there is no objection. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support a major international meeting on foreign and economic policy including dozens of officials, many of them in their cabinets. The G2 dominant nations with the East and the West. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the recognition. I spent a lot of time updating this page. More information will roll out later today once the meeting is concluded. I want to thank the other contributing editors too for their good work. Poliphile (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Good work, Poliphile! -SusanLesch (talk) 02:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, thank you! --candle•wicke 04:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Good work, Poliphile! -SusanLesch (talk) 02:49, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the recognition. I spent a lot of time updating this page. More information will roll out later today once the meeting is concluded. I want to thank the other contributing editors too for their good work. Poliphile (talk) 19:55, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support a major international meeting on foreign and economic policy including dozens of officials, many of them in their cabinets. The G2 dominant nations with the East and the West. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Going to post soon, believing there is no objection. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:21, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Arab Commission for Human Rights
- The United Nations suspends the Arab Commission for Human Rights after Algeria claimed that the group has connections to a "known terrorist". [2] Does anyone think this is notable? The suspension is only for one year, but it was decided without a vote amid controversy. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:48, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose What is it? What does it do? I've never heard of it in my life. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Iran releases 140 demonstrators
- The government in Iran releases 140 demonstrators from prison in Evin Prison after the disputed elections earlier in the year, a day after a judge condoned the arrests. - Mitch/HC32 16:13, 28 July 2009 (UTC) - - source
- Is there an updated section in 2009 Iranian election protests, the bolded article? SpencerT♦Nominate! 19:05, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- I was under the impression that there are 300 protesters in jail, Mousavi claiming that the number is far higher and 300 is just the number reported to the judiciary. However, if you include that the courts demanded a reason to keep them the day before, it gains more weight. Therequiembellishere (talk) 19:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Fixed.Mitch/HC32
July 27
- President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo delivers her last State of the Nation Address and denies plans to extend her term which end in June 2010 as plans to convene a constituent assembly to amend the constitution erupts. (BBC) (Philippine Daily Inquirer)[permanent dead link]
- A line of wildfires in the Mediterranean region, which has killed eight people, spreads to Croatia. (RTÉ) (The Times)
- At least 150 people are killed as clashes continue between radical Islamists in northern Nigeria after two days of unrest. (BBC) (Associated Press) (Africasia)
- Canada challenges the seal ban of the European Union at the World Trade Organization. (BBC) (CBC) (Reuters)
- The United States and China begin the first U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue. (AFP) (Xinhua) (Reuters)
- Former Liberian leader Charles Taylor denies cannibalism at his war trial in The Hague. (BBC) (The Times)
- A rural community in the Eastern Cape in South Africa lays claim to the entire town of Mthatha in one of the biggest land restitution cases since the end of apartheid. (Sky News)
- Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church begins a visit to Ukraine. (BBC)
- French President Nicolas Sarkozy leaves hospital after tests due to his fainting fits. (BBC) (RTÉ) (The Times)
- German health minister Ulla Schmidt is criticised when her official car is stolen during the burglarization of her driver's hotel room in Alicante, Spain. (BBC) (Deutsche Welle)
- A Saudi man facing flogging or imprisonment for speaking of his illegal sexual conquests on television apologises for his actions. (BBC)
- A break-in at Christ Church Cathedral in Waterford, Ireland, damages the building and the Thomas Elliott organ, dating from 1817. (The Irish Times) (RTÉ) (Sunday Tribune)[permanent dead link]
- Researchers outline bokodes, a proposed replacement for the black and white stripes of the traditional barcode. (BBC)
- A British-led military offensive, Operation Panther's Claw, succeeds in clearing the Taliban from parts of southern Helmand Province in Afghanistan. (CNN)
- Albanian Prime Minister Sali Berisha's alliance wins enough seats to form a government, though it fell one seat short of a majority. (BBC)
ITN candidates for July 27
- Kyrgyzstani presidential election, 2009
Can anyone update Kyrgyzstani presidential election, 2009? The incumbent Kurmanbek Bakiyev is re-elected. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:01, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Updating now... Otumba (talk) 15:11, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Done, hope it is ok. As a suggestion for the ITN sentence: "Amid accusations of electoral fraud the incumbent President of Kyrgyzstan, Kurmanbek Bakiyev (pictured), wins re-election." Otumba (talk) 15:36, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posted, thanks for the help. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- No problem. :) Otumba (talk) 15:43, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posted, thanks for the help. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Done, hope it is ok. As a suggestion for the ITN sentence: "Amid accusations of electoral fraud the incumbent President of Kyrgyzstan, Kurmanbek Bakiyev (pictured), wins re-election." Otumba (talk) 15:36, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
Nigerian gun battles
I've started the article Boko Haram. Could the ITN story be changed to be a bit more decriptive and link to this article? e.g.:
Clashes between Nigerian police and Islamist militants lead to 150 deaths.
AndrewRT(Talk) 01:26, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Done. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
July 26
- Seven people are killed in hurricane-force winds reaching 130 km/h in Poland and two more are killed by wind in the Czech Republic. Hail falls on 60,000 hectares of crops in Austria, causing damage of at least €20 million. (Sydney Morning Herald) (BBC)
- Dozens are killed in clashes between radical Islamists and security forces in Bauchi, Nigeria, following a police station attack by an armed gang in retaliation for the arrests of their leaders. (The Irish Times) (Reuters)
- Chinese hackers target the website of Australia's biggest film festival in Melbourne over a documentary about Uyghur leader Rebiya Kadeer. (BBC) (France 24) (The Guardian)
- Fernando Chui Sai On is elected the third Chief Executive of Macau. (BBC)
- Six people are killed in an apartment building fire in Rinkeby, Stockholm. (RTÉ) (Stockholm News)
- India launches its first nuclear submarine, the INS Arihant. (The Times of India) (Associated Press) (Xinhua) (RIA Novosti)
- Voters in Guinea-Bissau take part in a runoff presidential election between Kumba Ialá and Malam Bacai Sanhá. (CNN) (IOL)
- French President Nicolas Sarkozy takes ill whilst exercising. (RTÉ)
- At least five people are killed and more are wounded by a suicide attack at a concert hall in the Chechen capital Grozny. (BBC)
ITN candidates for July 26
Final is today. –Howard the Duck 16:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
- I have to point out that in the soccer world, I don't think this tournament is that enormous of a deal. Not as big as the UEFA Euro tournament, certainly, and certainly less prominent in the host country than a lot of other events we don't put up on ITN. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 05:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Listed at WP:ITNR, although it could've been bigger if a team other than the host wins. –Howard the Duck 06:30, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- I added it to ITNR a few months ago because the other continental championships were listed, but not CONCACAF. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 17:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think any soccer tournament that Canada (FIFA ranking 92) has won twice must be pretty much a joke in the soccer world. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 05:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- theres only so many countries in North america and canada winning in a north american only tournament isnt that crazy. maybe it is not upto european soccer level but its still multiple countries and if we add europe only tourney's i see no reason not to have this too. i agree its not too exciting but its for sake of being neutral. Ashish-g55 (talk) 17:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- But I mean there are a lot of other North American sporting events that generate far more interest than the Gold Cup that we don't have on ITN. This to me reflects the problems with saying "All items of type X should go on ITN" or "No item of type X should go on ITN" rather than looking at things on a case-by-case basis. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think you're being a little short sited here. The Gold Cup does not start and end in North America - you also have Central America and the Caribbean. Football is a big deal in countries like Costa Rica, Honduras and Mexico (it's so big in Mexico that one of the US club teams is named after one of the biggest Mexican clubs, due to the large Mexican population in California!). Just because it will not cause much interest in the US, is not a valid reason for this not to go up --Daviessimo (talk) 18:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is the Gold Cup that big of a deal in Central America and the Caribbean? I don't honestly know. I would think Copa America would be a bigger deal in Mexico. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 21:26, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think you're being a little short sited here. The Gold Cup does not start and end in North America - you also have Central America and the Caribbean. Football is a big deal in countries like Costa Rica, Honduras and Mexico (it's so big in Mexico that one of the US club teams is named after one of the biggest Mexican clubs, due to the large Mexican population in California!). Just because it will not cause much interest in the US, is not a valid reason for this not to go up --Daviessimo (talk) 18:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- But I mean there are a lot of other North American sporting events that generate far more interest than the Gold Cup that we don't have on ITN. This to me reflects the problems with saying "All items of type X should go on ITN" or "No item of type X should go on ITN" rather than looking at things on a case-by-case basis. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- theres only so many countries in North america and canada winning in a north american only tournament isnt that crazy. maybe it is not upto european soccer level but its still multiple countries and if we add europe only tourney's i see no reason not to have this too. i agree its not too exciting but its for sake of being neutral. Ashish-g55 (talk) 17:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think any soccer tournament that Canada (FIFA ranking 92) has won twice must be pretty much a joke in the soccer world. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 05:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- I added it to ITNR a few months ago because the other continental championships were listed, but not CONCACAF. -CWY2190(talk • contributions) 17:16, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Listed at WP:ITNR, although it could've been bigger if a team other than the host wins. –Howard the Duck 06:30, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Note: Mexico won big time. –Howard the Duck 00:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
- Mexico? Support. :D --candle•wicke 03:18, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
Much more important than the CONCACAF Cup. MickMacNee (talk) 21:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- It says this is a charity game... i am not familiar with this so i will assume u were being sarcastic (correct me if im wrong)... and if u were being sarcastic then please try not to nominate such items in future since it makes this page extra long for no reason. thanks Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Nigerian gunbattle; at least 32 dead
Is this suitable for ITN? --candle•wicke 17:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'd support, provided there was a well-updated article. SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- It looks like it may be an isolated incident without wider implications? If the article is very good, and can well demonstrate a connection to the wider conflict then I'd support, but otherwise not. Offliner (talk) 17:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- The death toll has reached over 100. Can anyone create an article? It is pretty significant. Cargoking talk 12:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Agree, it is more widespread now[3]. Offliner (talk) 12:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- 2009 Nigeria battles I start an article, could someone expanded that? - TouLouse (talk) 16:28, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Agree, it is more widespread now[3]. Offliner (talk) 12:58, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posted. --Tone 20:48, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- The death toll has reached over 100. Can anyone create an article? It is pretty significant. Cargoking talk 12:50, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
- India's first nuclear submarine
- India launches its first nuclear submarine INS Arihant, becoming the sixth country in the world that can construct the vessels. [4] This is a significant move, considering its relationship with Pakistan. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:58, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- The article needs a thorough rewriting though. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- If anyone supports, I will rewrite the article. (Surprise, surprise!) --BorgQueen (talk) 18:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support. No obvious reason for me to object. Cargoking talk 18:21, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support. This is notable. Offliner (talk) 18:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Especially if the article is being rewritten by another. :D --candle•wicke 18:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, someone beat me to it. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 21:08, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, someone beat me to it. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:11, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- If anyone supports, I will rewrite the article. (Surprise, surprise!) --BorgQueen (talk) 18:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- China's Giant Panda first
Pandas are endangered, right? It's scientific. International coverage certainly isn't a problem. BBC The Washington Post Xinhua News Agency The Irish Times The New Zealand Herald Does anyone support? --candle•wicke 13:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Leaning towards support but do you think that enough info is out there to write about? The news releases are mostly too short to get anything much out of them. --BorgQueen (talk) 14:05, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- "A Giant Panda (pictured) cub born in Sichuan, China, is the world's first conceived using frozen sperm." We have a video(!) Can it be used? --candle•wicke 19:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:16, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- "A Giant Panda (pictured) cub born in Sichuan, China, is the world's first conceived using frozen sperm." We have a video(!) Can it be used? --candle•wicke 19:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- In cycling, Alberto Contador from Spain, wins the 2009 Tour de France. TouLouse 07:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Spain's Alberto Contador wins the 96th Tour de France ahead of Andy Schleck of Luxembourg, and his American team-mate, seven time winner Lance Armstrong.
- Annually reported and on the recurring events list. Armstrong's comeback achievement deserves a mention, as does a team getting two men on the podium, but I would be opposed to mentioning 3rd place if we don't name 2nd. I'd suggest against linking the countries, otherwise there is far more blue text than black. If there is concern that readers won't know what sport this deals with (I would be happy to assume recognition, but...), the genitive cycling's could replace the as the fifth word: I'd suggest dropping 96th in this instance. The most appropriate looking pic on Contador's item is probably File:Contador2.jpg, which at least has him in a yellowish jersey (it is actually the gold jersey of the tour of Spain) and his current team's insignia (albeit last year's version thereof). Kevin McE (talk) 07:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ready! Conta wins! TouLouse 15:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is it possible to put a little more prose into the article? SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- To have prose descriptions of 21 stages would make the article very lengthy: the descriptive element is in the oft-linked daughter articles 2009 Tour de France, Stage 1 to Stage 11 and 2009 Tour de France, Stage 12 to Stage 21. Kevin McE (talk) 19:01, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- But I've added a Race Overview section as well. Kevin McE (talk) 20:02, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 20:25, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is it possible to put a little more prose into the article? SpencerT♦Nominate! 17:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Ready! Conta wins! TouLouse 15:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Annually reported and on the recurring events list. Armstrong's comeback achievement deserves a mention, as does a team getting two men on the podium, but I would be opposed to mentioning 3rd place if we don't name 2nd. I'd suggest against linking the countries, otherwise there is far more blue text than black. If there is concern that readers won't know what sport this deals with (I would be happy to assume recognition, but...), the genitive cycling's could replace the as the fifth word: I'd suggest dropping 96th in this instance. The most appropriate looking pic on Contador's item is probably File:Contador2.jpg, which at least has him in a yellowish jersey (it is actually the gold jersey of the tour of Spain) and his current team's insignia (albeit last year's version thereof). Kevin McE (talk) 07:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
July 25
- Harry Patch, the last surviving World War I veteran to have fought in the trenches, dies aged 111. (BBC) (CNN)
- Worldwide protests in 80 cities take place in support of Iranian protesters following the disputed presidential election. (The Times) (CNN) (Al Jazeera)
- Voters go to the polls in Iraqi Kurdistan for legislative and presidential elections. (The New York Times) (The Hindu) (Xinhua)
- Wildfires in France, Greece, Sardinia and Spain kill and injure dozens. (RTÉ)
- Felipe Massa is critically injured in a 160mph crash during qualifying for the 2009 Hungarian Grand Prix, when a suspension component from Rubens Barrichello's car hits him on his helmet. (TSN)
ITN candidates for July 25
- 2009 southern Europe wildfires
"Wildfires in southern Europe kill at least eight people." Predicted to get worse over the week as temperatures rise etc. Jolly Ω Janner 19:50, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, several countries involved. --candle•wicke 19:54, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- By the way, there might be better pics available at low resolution. File:Sierra Cabrera wildfire 6.jpg possibley? Heck, this really is first-hand journalism to the max. Jolly Ω Janner 20:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- After looking at the article, it could probably use some section dividers, and infobox, and a little more information about the Greek fires before it goes up. SpencerT♦Nominate! 20:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've split it into two sections, added an infobox and added a paragraph on the fires in Greece. Jolly Ω Janner 23:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posting soon. Btw, the picture you've added above is a really bad one, even at a greater resolution, I wouldn't use it in the article at all. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:55, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've split it into two sections, added an infobox and added a paragraph on the fires in Greece. Jolly Ω Janner 23:46, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- After looking at the article, it could probably use some section dividers, and infobox, and a little more information about the Greek fires before it goes up. SpencerT♦Nominate! 20:08, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- By the way, there might be better pics available at low resolution. File:Sierra Cabrera wildfire 6.jpg possibley? Heck, this really is first-hand journalism to the max. Jolly Ω Janner 20:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Harry Patch
"Harry Patch, the last surviving World War I veteran to fight in the trenches, dies at age 111." I'm not sure whether we should put him up, as he is the last to fight in the trenches, or wait until the final veteran passes. --PlasmaTwa2 21:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well it's not every week a supercentenarian oldest man WWI veteran dies... I support these "lasts" of World War history but I don't think many others do... but if Patch hasn't featured before that might work in his favour... the trenches are quite symbolic... --candle•wicke 22:18, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- He has no previous ITN. Cargoking talk 09:34, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
July 24
- China produces a giant panda using frozen sperm. (BBC) (The Irish Times) (The Washington Post) (Xinhua)
- At least six people die as a Croatian high-speed train travelling from Zagreb to Split derails 30km from its destination. (AP via Google News)
- Chloe Smith wins the Norwich North by-election, the first British constituency by-election since the United Kingdom Parliamentary expenses scandal, and gains the Conservative Party a seat held by Labour for the past 12 years. (The Guardian)
- 20 people are killed in a bus crash near Rostov-on-Don, Russia. (BBC)
- The President of Indonesia, Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono, is declared as the winner of the Indonesian presidential election. (AP via Google News)
- Wildfires in the north east of Spain claim the lives of six firefighters in that region. (Sky News)
- The trial of Burmese National League for Democracy General Secretary Aung San Suu Kyi nears its end. (Jakarta Globe) (The Times) (Al Jazeera)
- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is urged to dismiss his choice of Vice President, Esfandiar Rahim Mashaei. (Associated Press) (Press TV)
- Aria Air Flight 1525 crashes in Mashhad, Iran, killing at least 17 people and injuring 19 of the 153 people on board. (BBC)
- The Gran Telescopio Canarias, the world's largest reflecting telescope, is inaugurated by King Juan Carlos I of Spain. (The New York Times)
- Afghan President Hamid Karzai, setting out his election manifesto, vows to make foreign troops sign a framework governing how they operate in a bid to limit civilians casualties. (Reuters)
- Canada's national rail service, Via Rail, cancels train service due to a strike by its engineer workers. (CTV)
- FBI and IRS agents arrests 44 people, including five rabbis, two New Jersey state legislators, and three mayors in Operation Bid Rig. (The New York Times)
- A group of 8 people were trapped for 8 hours in an Otis elevator in Toronto. A repair man who tried to fix the elevator fell 10 floors to his death. (CityNews)
ITN candidates for July 24
- FBI and IRS agents arrests 44 people, including five rabbis, two New Jersey state legislators, and three mayors. Michelle Bentley (talk) 12:48, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
- Gran Telescopio Canarias
The Gran Telescopio Canarias, the world's largest telescope, is inaugurated by King Juan Carlos I of Spain. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Can anyone expand the paragraph on the formal opening a bit? --BorgQueen (talk) 19:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I am doing it. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Updated, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:42, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Nevermind, I am doing it. --BorgQueen (talk) 06:01, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Iran aircraft crash - 17 die TouLouse (talk) 17:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, when expanded. --BorgQueen (talk) 17:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posted. --BorgQueen (talk) 01:59, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
Has been killed by a US missile attack in Pakistan, [5] TouLouse (talk) 14:37, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sounds a bit speculative to me. The U.S. officials are not 100% certain. I mean, it is not that they have his body or some tangible proof. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:03, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- But if the death will be official this will be a ITN material or not? TouLouse (talk) 16:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- If so, I will probably support... --BorgQueen (talk) 16:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- But if the death will be official this will be a ITN material or not? TouLouse (talk) 16:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- New Species found
Some gecko looking thing found in india. Its been named Cnemasspis kolhapurensis. which is incredibly hard to pronounce. Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:36, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hundreds (perhaps more) of species are discovered every year. Are we going to feature them all? I think the new species will have to have some "abnormal" chracteristic to be on ITN, like Titanoboa. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- ya i was skeptical too about this. since we just had the salamander. well maybe we dont need to go to Titanoba all the way. thats like waiting for dinos to come back lol. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:29, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Report of successful breakthrough in stem cell research, without the need for embryonic stem cells
Chinese researchers from the Shanghai Stem Cell Institute, led by Professor Fanyi Zeng, sucessfully reprogrammed adult stem cells taken from skin tissue to be able to differentiate into any body cell, the reprogrammed cells known as "induced pluripotent stem cells" (IPS cells). The researchers have managed to use the IPS cells to create every type of cell in a mouse, creating entire mouse pups using the technique. This is the first time the technique has been used to make an entire mouse. The oldest living mice created by the technique are nine months old and are reproducing, albeit showing signs of abnormalities. A total of 27 mice were successfully born from the first generation of mice created from the IPS cells which were able to reproduce without any issues. This breakthrough, published in the journals Nature and Cell Stem Cell and developed independently by two teams in China, may possibly depreciate the usage of stem cells obtained from human embryos. (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 12:01, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well we have to look at it.yousaf465'
- That's big news. When the articles are updated, I support. --Tone 13:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, this is huge. --GPPande 17:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I will be unable to edit in the next few days up to Wednesday, due to examinations, and so probably will not be able to expand the article further. Just a quick note at that. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 23:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, this is huge. --GPPande 17:41, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- That's big news. When the articles are updated, I support. --Tone 13:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- The iPS cells were generated from embryonic fibroblasts, not adult stem cells (says both the Nature and Cell Stem Cell paper). Both adult stem cells and fibroblasts have been made iPS cells before, the news is that they got whole mice (non-chimeric even) out of the cells. Narayanese (talk) 16:41, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Norwich North by-election
Chloe Smith wins the Norwich North by-election, the first British constituency by-election since the United Kingdom Parliamentary expenses scandal, and gains the Conservative Party a seat held by Labour for the past 12 years. Otumba (talk) 11:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I know the result hasn't been announced yet, but because of the certainty amongst the press and analysts that the Conservatives will win, I thought to pre-empt the announcement with this suggestion. Of course, it will need to be confirmed that Smith has won before it goes up, if it goes up. I know this is just a by-election, but I think it is deserving of a place in ITN, because it is the first of the type since the expenses scandal, and because this was a safe Labour seat. Having said this, I understand if the nomination is opposed; I just thought what's the harm in trying. Otumba (talk) 11:30, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, I have to oppose, we really feature just top-level elections, such as parliamentary and presidential. --Tone 11:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Unless it leads to a snap election, the PM's resignation or some other significant political action it not going to be big enough for ITN. --Daviessimo (talk) 16:11, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, I have to oppose, we really feature just top-level elections, such as parliamentary and presidential. --Tone 11:34, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Bus crash
- 20 people are killed in a bus crash near Samarskoye, Russia. (BBC)
- Can anyone help with an article? Cargoking talk 11:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes - 2009 Rostov bus crash - can you add some info? TouLouse (talk) 12:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Now updated.
- Yes - 2009 Rostov bus crash - can you add some info? TouLouse (talk) 12:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- At least 21 people are killed in a bus crash near Rostov, Russia. Cargoking talk 12:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- The article is still too short. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Really? What parts can be improved? Cargoking talk 13:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think that the article will be on ITN could be surely improved by many users. TouLouse (talk) 08:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- No, the article has to be expanded before it gets featured on MP, not the other way around. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:14, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think that the article will be on ITN could be surely improved by many users. TouLouse (talk) 08:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
- Really? What parts can be improved? Cargoking talk 13:59, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- 4 death and 20 injured. TouLouse (talk) 12:42, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Two traffic accidents in one day, if the articles are updated enough, I would support having them in one blurb together. --Tone 13:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
July 23
- The Dow Jones Industrial Average closes above 9000 for the first time since January. (The New York Times)
- The United States signs the Treaty of Amity and Cooperation in Southeast Asia. (BBC)
- Two Swedish passenger ferries sailing between the mainland and Gotland collide in fog just off the port of Nynäshamn south of Stockholm, injuring at least 15 people. (Reuters)
- The Bank of Canada declares the recession has ended in Canada predicting the economy will grow by 1.3 per cent over the summer months. (CTV)
- Voters in Kyrgyzstan go to the polls for a presidential election, as the main opposition candidate Almazbek Atambayev pulls out. (AFP via Google News) (BBC)
- The SEACOM high speed internet link to East Africa goes live. (AFP) (BBC) (All Africa.com)
- Ireland's Dublin Area Rapid Transit (DART) celebrates its twenty-fifth anniversary. (Irish Independent) (The Irish Times)
- The FBI arrests 30 officials and rabbis in the U.S. state of New Jersey as part of a public corruption and international money laundering probe called Operation Bid Rig. Authorities also search a synagogue and remove several boxes. (Newark Star-Ledger)
- Peter Harry Carstensen, premier of the state of Schleswig-Holstein, intentionally loses a vote of confidence, clearing the way for early elections simultaneously with the German federal election, 2009. (Deutsche Welle)
- Chicago White Sox pitcher Mark Buehrle completes a perfect game against the Tampa Bay Rays. (ESPN.com)
ITN candidates for July 23
- Mark Buehrle's perfect game
- Mark Buehrle of the Chicago White Sox pitches the 18th perfect game in Major League Baseball history against the Tampa Bay Rays.
- A perfect game is the ultimate pitching accomplishment in baseball. The pitcher gets out all 27 batters he faces in a row, not allowing a single hitter to reach first base. It has happened only 18 times since 1880, the previous time in 2004. Sox fan Barack Obama called Buehrle to congratulate him after the game. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- As far as i can tell this is considered hard to do. but this isnt a record... Martin Brodeur's all time record wasnt added since it was considered too "domestic" in nature. This is a perfect game in MLB which is also "domestic". So i do not know... i will give it a weak support since there is no guarantee he will not do it again tomorrow. statistically it shouldnt happen but that is what we said for Kaká trade which got beat like the next week. Ashish-g55 (talk) 00:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- To test the notability of this event i would like to compare it to this List of goaltenders who have scored a goal in an NHL game. If we can agree that everytime goalie scoring a goal in NHL will make it to ITN then i will fully support a perfect game for MLB. Ashish-g55 (talk) 00:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Strong Support A perfect game has happened only 18 times in well over 100 years. No pitcher has ever done it more than once. This is by far the most notable option. Alexfusco5 01:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Strong oppose We didn't put Brodeur's all-time record up, and last time I checked that only happened once. Keep non-championship games out of ITN, please. --PlasmaTwa2 03:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Strong oppose Also, let's keep non-British sports out. Less baseball, more test cricket. Let's keep Wikipedia British-centric. Nutmegger (talk) 04:44, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Strong oppose We didn't put Brodeur's all-time record up, and last time I checked that only happened once. Keep non-championship games out of ITN, please. --PlasmaTwa2 03:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Strong Support A perfect game has happened only 18 times in well over 100 years. No pitcher has ever done it more than once. This is by far the most notable option. Alexfusco5 01:09, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- To test the notability of this event i would like to compare it to this List of goaltenders who have scored a goal in an NHL game. If we can agree that everytime goalie scoring a goal in NHL will make it to ITN then i will fully support a perfect game for MLB. Ashish-g55 (talk) 00:32, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- As far as i can tell this is considered hard to do. but this isnt a record... Martin Brodeur's all time record wasnt added since it was considered too "domestic" in nature. This is a perfect game in MLB which is also "domestic". So i do not know... i will give it a weak support since there is no guarantee he will not do it again tomorrow. statistically it shouldnt happen but that is what we said for Kaká trade which got beat like the next week. Ashish-g55 (talk) 00:21, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I oppose this one as well. This goes into the category of sport statistics and I am against those in most cases. Since there is a clear opposition to this entry above, I have replaced it with one of the previous entries. --Tone 07:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- There is only one serious oppose here. –Howard the Duck 09:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- For me the only sporting stats worthy of going up are very top level world records and firsts. However, even then I'm leaning towards opposing those because with modern athletes and technology they are being broken and beaten ever more often. --Daviessimo (talk) 08:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm betting even the Japanese would concede that MLB is the "top-level" of baseball. –Howard the Duck 09:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes but it is not a world record or world first is it? Even if it were, I still feel that sporting records are broken so often that it kind of makes them redundant. I mean where do you draw the line at notability? Is Jaime Alguersuari becoming the youngest ever F1 driver on Sunday notable? The previous record has stood since 1980, which is much longer ago than the last 'perfect game' in MLB --Daviessimo (talk) 09:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- If you think about it, you can't "break a record" for a perfect game, unless of course you do it twice in a career, or if the game extends into a gazillion innings.
- And I dunno about Alguersuari, but a perfect game requires that the pitcher's team win the game. We did this for Vettel when he became the youngest driver ever to win, so that make sense. –Howard the Duck 09:40, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes but Vettel was a world record, in arguably the most international sporting championship on the planet. I'm no expert on baseball (in fact I know hardly anything) but surely this fella will start the next game still 'unbeaten' as it were. He has in one game got out 27 batters for nothing. In the next game if he gets out the first batter for nothing surely he moves onto 28 unbeaten and it will continue like this. If that is the case the equivilant world record would be when he reaches and exceeds the highest number of batters out, without any of them reaching first base. --Daviessimo (talk) 09:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think Buehrle will play at least after 4 games, and I dunno if they kept records the way you are saying. No one has had a perfect game twice in his career, and I think the "perfect game" doesn't carry over the way you said it, unless he pitches perfectly the next game, which has never happened. –Howard the Duck 10:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hence i suggested using NHL's goalie scoring goal as a measurement tool. That has only happened 11 times too so if u can agree on posting it everytime it happens then i guess perfect game can go up too. i gave a weak support earlier because of rarity factor but if something rare in one sport gets posted then it should be posted in others too. Ashish-g55 (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I dunno if we compare this with NHL goalies though. The perfect game is a test on how good a pitcher is. A goalie scoring a goal is more of a feel-good story. I'd like it if a goalie breaks the record for most consecutive shutouts or something like that. –Howard the Duck 13:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- But do we really wanna put ITN item when someone does good at a game that they play professionally? Im sure every game has certain way of displaying how great a player is. Thats why we usually stick to records since they need to be broken. A perfect game is just display of how good u r at a certain game that is mainly only played in one country. now if he goes on a perfect game streak somehow then that becomes a record and we can put something like that for sure. So i am going to take my weak support back and put an oppose for this reason. Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Its interesting to see non-baseball fans come up with reasons to keep baseball news off the page. A perfect game is a big deal. The object of the game defensively is to get batters out and a perfect game is 27 of them in a row. I suppose retiring the entire team without any runs in cricket would be the equivalent but that would be much less common because scores are much higher in cricket than in baseball. These rarity discussions are absurd non sequiturs. A goalie scoring a goal is a fluke thing. Its like striking out four batters in an inning or something. I'm OK with the perfect game being taken off the ITN, but using rare flukes to demonstrate that great feats are not notable is bizarre logic.DavidRF (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- A goalie scoring a goal is not a fluke... everything can be considered fluke by ur logic. Goalies intentionally try to score goals many times and it pretty much never happens as it is not easy. So calling their feat a fluke is also very absurd. No matter what this feat falls under a rare event in a game category. This is not a record in any way. For ex. if a country were to just invent a game tomorrow and call this one aspect of game very hard to accomplish then would we post it everytime it happens? A major record in a game i can understand atleast it needs to be broken. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- And also the entire conversation above has nothing to do with being a fan or not... we are constructively trying to discuss notability and calling the discussion an attempt for "non-baseball fans come up with reasons to keep baseball news off the page" is almost offensive. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Goalies scoring goals in hockey most certainly is a fluke thing. It pretty much never happens because teams almost never try! You'd be hard-pressed to find any real hockey fans who associate this feat with greatness. If it was such a big deal, goalies would spend less time guarding their own net. Perhaps "fluke" is too disrespectful, but its a very odd feat. A pitcher actually wants to retire every batter he faces. And baseball wasn't just invented. Its been around a while. :-) I'm OK with the perfect game not making ITN because its going to happen about every five years or so and every-five-year feats would clog up ITN if they were included for all sports, but please don't use your goalie-goal example in the future, its completely ridiculous and in my opinion unconstructive. I apologize for the "keeping baseball news" off the page remark. Especially since I concur with the conclusion here. Cheers.DavidRF (talk) 15:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- i wouldnt really include either events. goalie goal is just example of a rare event for a sport. and my point is adding all the rare events no matter how great the feat is probably not a good idea. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- One more reply. "Rare" and "great" are different things. Please keep that in mind in the future.DavidRF (talk) 16:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- i wouldnt really include either events. goalie goal is just example of a rare event for a sport. and my point is adding all the rare events no matter how great the feat is probably not a good idea. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:12, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Goalies scoring goals in hockey most certainly is a fluke thing. It pretty much never happens because teams almost never try! You'd be hard-pressed to find any real hockey fans who associate this feat with greatness. If it was such a big deal, goalies would spend less time guarding their own net. Perhaps "fluke" is too disrespectful, but its a very odd feat. A pitcher actually wants to retire every batter he faces. And baseball wasn't just invented. Its been around a while. :-) I'm OK with the perfect game not making ITN because its going to happen about every five years or so and every-five-year feats would clog up ITN if they were included for all sports, but please don't use your goalie-goal example in the future, its completely ridiculous and in my opinion unconstructive. I apologize for the "keeping baseball news" off the page remark. Especially since I concur with the conclusion here. Cheers.DavidRF (talk) 15:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- And also the entire conversation above has nothing to do with being a fan or not... we are constructively trying to discuss notability and calling the discussion an attempt for "non-baseball fans come up with reasons to keep baseball news off the page" is almost offensive. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:24, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- A goalie scoring a goal is not a fluke... everything can be considered fluke by ur logic. Goalies intentionally try to score goals many times and it pretty much never happens as it is not easy. So calling their feat a fluke is also very absurd. No matter what this feat falls under a rare event in a game category. This is not a record in any way. For ex. if a country were to just invent a game tomorrow and call this one aspect of game very hard to accomplish then would we post it everytime it happens? A major record in a game i can understand atleast it needs to be broken. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:18, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Its interesting to see non-baseball fans come up with reasons to keep baseball news off the page. A perfect game is a big deal. The object of the game defensively is to get batters out and a perfect game is 27 of them in a row. I suppose retiring the entire team without any runs in cricket would be the equivalent but that would be much less common because scores are much higher in cricket than in baseball. These rarity discussions are absurd non sequiturs. A goalie scoring a goal is a fluke thing. Its like striking out four batters in an inning or something. I'm OK with the perfect game being taken off the ITN, but using rare flukes to demonstrate that great feats are not notable is bizarre logic.DavidRF (talk) 15:10, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- But do we really wanna put ITN item when someone does good at a game that they play professionally? Im sure every game has certain way of displaying how great a player is. Thats why we usually stick to records since they need to be broken. A perfect game is just display of how good u r at a certain game that is mainly only played in one country. now if he goes on a perfect game streak somehow then that becomes a record and we can put something like that for sure. So i am going to take my weak support back and put an oppose for this reason. Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I dunno if we compare this with NHL goalies though. The perfect game is a test on how good a pitcher is. A goalie scoring a goal is more of a feel-good story. I'd like it if a goalie breaks the record for most consecutive shutouts or something like that. –Howard the Duck 13:53, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Hence i suggested using NHL's goalie scoring goal as a measurement tool. That has only happened 11 times too so if u can agree on posting it everytime it happens then i guess perfect game can go up too. i gave a weak support earlier because of rarity factor but if something rare in one sport gets posted then it should be posted in others too. Ashish-g55 (talk) 13:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I think Buehrle will play at least after 4 games, and I dunno if they kept records the way you are saying. No one has had a perfect game twice in his career, and I think the "perfect game" doesn't carry over the way you said it, unless he pitches perfectly the next game, which has never happened. –Howard the Duck 10:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes but Vettel was a world record, in arguably the most international sporting championship on the planet. I'm no expert on baseball (in fact I know hardly anything) but surely this fella will start the next game still 'unbeaten' as it were. He has in one game got out 27 batters for nothing. In the next game if he gets out the first batter for nothing surely he moves onto 28 unbeaten and it will continue like this. If that is the case the equivilant world record would be when he reaches and exceeds the highest number of batters out, without any of them reaching first base. --Daviessimo (talk) 09:57, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes but it is not a world record or world first is it? Even if it were, I still feel that sporting records are broken so often that it kind of makes them redundant. I mean where do you draw the line at notability? Is Jaime Alguersuari becoming the youngest ever F1 driver on Sunday notable? The previous record has stood since 1980, which is much longer ago than the last 'perfect game' in MLB --Daviessimo (talk) 09:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm betting even the Japanese would concede that MLB is the "top-level" of baseball. –Howard the Duck 09:16, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- New works of Mozart
2 new works of mozart have been found. Not too many details yet. they are to be released Aug 2. i think this is definitely noteworthy but maybe wait till more details arrive? Ashish-g55 (talk) 22:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose until details arrive. MacMedtalkstalk 02:33, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support - I was looking at this one of the BBC website and thinking it looks like a good item. However, I think we need to wait for official confirmation, which will be given next week --Daviessimo (talk) 08:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- i will put the nom in future events for Aug 2. Ashish-g55 (talk) 13:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm a bit skeptical. Discoveries like these are not uncommon. They tease the press with a news release and then very little ever comes of it. I guess we'll see on Aug 2. Hope I'm wrong.DavidRF (talk) 14:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- DavidRF please drop in once on Aug 2 to give ur comment on the new finds. will help in making decision. thanks Ashish-g55 (talk) 14:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm a bit skeptical. Discoveries like these are not uncommon. They tease the press with a news release and then very little ever comes of it. I guess we'll see on Aug 2. Hope I'm wrong.DavidRF (talk) 14:31, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- i will put the nom in future events for Aug 2. Ashish-g55 (talk) 13:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support - I was looking at this one of the BBC website and thinking it looks like a good item. However, I think we need to wait for official confirmation, which will be given next week --Daviessimo (talk) 08:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
High speed internet release in East-Africa TouLouse (talk) 15:17, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support, but the article needs to be updated. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:59, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support - it seems like a pretty large scale system. Does it still need an update? --Daviessimo (talk) 20:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've made an update to the article so it should be ready to post now --Daviessimo (talk) 21:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support
- Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:00, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support
- I've made an update to the article so it should be ready to post now --Daviessimo (talk) 21:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support - it seems like a pretty large scale system. Does it still need an update? --Daviessimo (talk) 20:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Kim Dae-jung
Former President of South Korea and a Nobel prize winner Kim Dae-jung is in critical condition. [6] Let's keep an eye. --BorgQueen (talk) 07:04, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support and we must wait his death then will be put on ITN - TouLouse (talk) 09:41, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
He has been called in to defend himself in case aganist November 3 emergency.yousaf465'
- Ferry collision
One ferry with 1,500 passengers rammed a smaller ferry in Nynäshamn, Sweden. Many people inured but no reported deaths yet. [7][8][9][10][11][12][13] —Krm500 (Communicate!) 10:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Without any deaths I'm going to have to oppose. Its not uncommon for ships to hit one another in bad weather --Daviessimo (talk) 20:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Obviously (and luckily), but when I posted it there were no reports on how big damage had been made. —Krm500 (Communicate!) 21:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
July 22
- Chinese and Russian troops begin a five-day joint military drill, aimed at boosting their ability to fight terrorism. (Xinhua)
- The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague issues a decision on the borders of Abyei, a region subject to violent contention in Sudan. (BBC)
- The longest total solar eclipse of the 21st century takes place over parts of Asia and the Pacific Ocean. (ABC News Australia)
- The first Tamiflu-resistant H1N1 case is found in Canada, bringing the world total of such cases to five. (Sympatico MSN News Canada)[permanent dead link]
- Ireland's Council of State meets to consider two pieces of controversial legislation at Áras an Uachtaráin in Dublin. (RTÉ)
- U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton warns that it could arm its allies in the Gulf and extend a "defense umbrella" over the region, if Iran goes nuclear. (Sky News)
- Ukrainian former Interior Ministry official Oleksiy Pukach confesses to murdering journalist Georgiy R. Gongadze and implicates other high-ranking officials.(AFP)
ITN candidates for July 22
- Earthquake - Again
- New Zealand has moved 300mm closer to Australia.
- Is this significant? Cargoking talk 17:31, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- 300mm lol. well i guess it could save gas somehow. help reduce global warming... but seriously speaking if it somehow moved 3km then it would be a little more significant Ashish-g55 (talk) 17:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Abyei
The Permanent Court of Arbitration in The Hague issues a decision on the borders of Abyei, a region subject to violent contention in Sudan. (BBC)
- The decision appears to be significant, but the article Abyei has a POV tag. I would appreciate if anyone could resolve the issue so we could have the item on ITN. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:29, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Thanks for the hard work. Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 05:13, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Jupiter impact
- Can we change Jupiter event to this article? Expand if needed. Lampman (talk) 02:41, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- The article is too short at the moment. --BorgQueen (talk) 03:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is it okay now? -SusanLesch (talk) 04:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 04:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
- Is it okay now? -SusanLesch (talk) 04:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
July 21
- Japanese Prime Minister Taro Aso dissolves the House of Representatives, setting the stage for a general election on August 30. (Xinhua)
- NASA scientists confirm an impact event on Jupiter, the first observed since the impact of Shoemaker-Levy 9 on July 16–22, 1994. (New Scientist)
- Foreign Minister Miguel Ángel Moratinos becomes the first Spanish government official to visit Gibraltar in 300 years. (The New York Times)
ITN candidates for July 21
- Nominate Jupiter impact. --bender235 (talk) 11:32, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Support. Can you please update Jupiter#Ground-based telescope research? The section mentions Shoemaker-Levy's impact, you could add the latest impact there. --BorgQueen (talk) 12:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Done. Rudimentarily, at least. --bender235 (talk) 13:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just one sentence? Please, it has to be at least a paragraph. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not exactly an expert on this topic, so I'm kinda hesitating to add more information. BTW: The Shoemaker-Levy 9 impact has only two sentences as well. --bender235 (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- That's irrelevant since the Shoemaker-Levy 9 impact is not an ITN candidate. The latest impact is. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, I added further information plus a picture. That should do it, right? --bender235 (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes, posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 18:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, I added further information plus a picture. That should do it, right? --bender235 (talk) 18:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- That's irrelevant since the Shoemaker-Levy 9 impact is not an ITN candidate. The latest impact is. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- I'm not exactly an expert on this topic, so I'm kinda hesitating to add more information. BTW: The Shoemaker-Levy 9 impact has only two sentences as well. --bender235 (talk) 15:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just one sentence? Please, it has to be at least a paragraph. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:44, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Done. Rudimentarily, at least. --bender235 (talk) 13:30, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
I know this is up for July 22. but since the eclipse is going to start a little before 22nd with totality being 2 hours in according to UTC, i suggest putting this up earlier so ppl know about it. It is not really Crystal balling since it is an eclipse and it will happen lol. plus 22nd will start earlier in nations that will actually see the eclipse. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just to elaborate. the reason why i want this to go up early is because the noteworthy part is the fact that its the longest eclipse for the century. and putting this item after it has happened is fairly useless since then its just an eclipse that took place... its mainly noteworthy before it takes place so people know about it and can go watch it. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:29, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Suggest a well-worded blurb please. --BorgQueen (talk) 15:35, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- The longest total solar eclipse of the 21st century, takes place over the Pacific Ocean. Cargoking talk 15:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- How about adding asia. since its over many countries too. so something like... The longest total solar eclipse of the 21st century, takes place over parts of Asia and the Pacific Ocean. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:54, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
But it is only visible in some parts of Asia. Can you refine your wording a bit? --BorgQueen (talk) 16:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)- Who? Me or Ashishg55? Cargoking talk 16:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, my mistake. Ashishg55's suggestion is fine. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- ya i added "parts of" to the original post (too lazy to retype it). rest the image can clarify. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- So it wasn't my mistake. I recant my sorry. :-D Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- ya i added "parts of" to the original post (too lazy to retype it). rest the image can clarify. Ashish-g55 (talk) 16:11, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry, my mistake. Ashishg55's suggestion is fine. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:08, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Who? Me or Ashishg55? Cargoking talk 16:07, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Japan
Don't we usually feature such news on ITN? --Tone 12:05, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
July 20
- Ajmal Kasab, the only surviving gunman in the 2008 Mumbai attacks, pleads guilty in an Indian court, ending months of denials. (Associated Press) (The Times of India)
- Iranian reformists call for a referendum to resolve the political crisis in the country. (Al Jazeera) (The Malaysia Star) (Reuters)
- Wildfires force thousands of residents to flee in the Okanagan, western Canada. (AFP) (Toronto Star)
- India and the United States sign a defence pact. (BBC)
- 260 cars pile up in Germany. (News 24)
- Tuvalu announces its plan to become the world's first carbon neutral country by 2020. (Telegraph)
ITN candidates for July 20
- Worst car accident in Germany's history
- A 260-car pile-up on a German motorway. [14] This must have broken some record, even if the police's claim that it is the worst in their history is not true. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:01, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- Yes 10 deaths, I want to support, but must be create an article. TouLouse (talk) 16:12, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- At least 36 people in Orissa and 13 people in Kerala states are killed as a result of monsoon floods in India.
-- Tinu Cherian - 09:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posting soon. --BorgQueen (talk) 09:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- Can i suggest that we start a 2009 Monsoon article and merge the 2009 India floods and the 2009 Karachi floods into it since theirs going to be a lot more deaths to come from the monsoon. Jason Rees (talk) 09:41, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- I would suggest keeping it seperate for geographical reasons. -- Tinu Cherian - 10:07, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
- I agree, no need to merge.yousaf465'
- England Wins an Ashes Test at Lord's since 1934.
-- It's after a gap of 75 years at the home of cricket.yousaf465'
July 19
- Ten policemen are arrested in Michoacán, Mexico, in connection with the murder of 12 federal police whose bodies were found piled next to a road. (France 24)[permanent dead link]
- 26 people are killed through electrocution, drowning and collapsing roofs in Karachi, Pakistan. (RTÉ) (Reuters) (The Times of India)
- A preserved barracks in the Netherlands that was used by Nazi Germany to process Jews and others on their way to concentration camps, known to have been occupied at one point by Anne Frank, is destroyed by fire. (France 24)
- The last British Embassy worker being held in Iran after the disputed re-election of president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the ensuing street protests is released. (Sky News)
- Giant jellyfish wreak havoc around the Sea of Japan. (CNN)
- Henry Surtees, son of former Formula One world champion John Surtees, is killed by a flying wheel from a crash at the Brands Hatch round of the FIA Formula Two Championship supporting the WTCC.
ITN candidates for July 19
- British Open
- In golf, American Stewart Cink wins the 2009 Open Championship (British Open) in a playoff over Tom Watson.
- It's important to mention Watson, since he's 59 years old and shocked everyone by nearly winning. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- This item is on WP:ITNR, as one of the four golf majors, so it needs to be put up ASAP. It has a referenced prose update so there shouldn't be an issue --Daviessimo (talk) 08:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- Bump? –Howard the Duck 11:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 11:23, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- Bump? –Howard the Duck 11:21, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
- This item is on WP:ITNR, as one of the four golf majors, so it needs to be put up ASAP. It has a referenced prose update so there shouldn't be an issue --Daviessimo (talk) 08:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
- It's important to mention Watson, since he's 59 years old and shocked everyone by nearly winning. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 18:33, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Afganistan helicopter
- Nobody knows about that? .. I think it's important. --TouLouse (talk) 17:09, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oh I know about it, it was just that the words "Afghanistan" and "helicopter" no longer excite me when mixed with a few deaths... is it particularly unusual? --candle•wicke 17:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- 16 civilians killed in the latest in a string of deadly aircraft crashes in the country (per cite) Should we create an article ? TouLouse (talk) 17:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oh I know about it, it was just that the words "Afghanistan" and "helicopter" no longer excite me when mixed with a few deaths... is it particularly unusual? --candle•wicke 17:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- 2009 Karachi floods
- I have begun an article. --candle•wicke 15:17, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Suggested wording: At least 26 people are killed and at least
60150 people are injured as a result of heavy rains in Karachi, Pakistan. --candle•wicke 15:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)- Can you expand it just a little further? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I will check again. The information is somewhat limited and being repeated by the same sources; even the BBC article is very short. --candle•wicke 16:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Make that 150 injured but I have to add this to the article. --candle•wicke 16:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- I have added more. --candle•wicke 16:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Posting. --BorgQueen (talk) 16:27, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- I have added more. --candle•wicke 16:21, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Make that 150 injured but I have to add this to the article. --candle•wicke 16:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I will check again. The information is somewhat limited and being repeated by the same sources; even the BBC article is very short. --candle•wicke 16:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Can you expand it just a little further? --BorgQueen (talk) 15:58, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Suggested wording: At least 26 people are killed and at least
- Amir Khan wins the WBA light-welterweight World Championship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MickMacNee (talk • contribs)
- Is this big? --candle•wicke 23:16, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I mean what makes it different from all the other boxing weight classes? --candle•wicke 23:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- Or the other three world championships for the same weight, for that matter. Algebraist 23:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111MickMacNee (talk) 00:03, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry? Didn't quite catch that... --candle•wicke 00:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Nah, only #13 in the world. We had a tough time when the #1 made it to ITN so this won't cut it. He should fight at Las Vegas first... –Howard the Duck 07:04, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry? Didn't quite catch that... --candle•wicke 00:18, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111MickMacNee (talk) 00:03, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Or the other three world championships for the same weight, for that matter. Algebraist 23:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
- I mean what makes it different from all the other boxing weight classes? --candle•wicke 23:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
OpposeNot significant ITN.yousaf465'
- LRO Moon Images
Ok this item is definitely not ur normal ITN but i find it very interesting. First time ever pictures were taken of Lunar landing sites on moon. BBC. This will interest all the people who believe in Apollo Moon landing hoax conspiracy theories and well be of general interest to those who know otherwise. Ashishg55 (talk) 01:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Cough, cough–funny how it was a US spacecraft which "captured" these images. ;) --candle•wicke 02:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- "The release of the images coincides with the 40th anniversary of the first manned mission to land on the Moon." Hmmm... something fishy about all this... it's almost like they got released on purpose... --candle•wicke 02:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- lol i know. the hoax ppl will say they were doctored. but come on its NASA... i dont wanna lose my trust in everything out there. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oh you're probably right but if I found it that easy to question their validity I doubt the real hardcore conspiracy theorists will bat an eyelid at them... --candle•wicke 02:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- nonetheless ppl will be interested in looking at these images as a proof that landings did take place. theorists can deny anything... its just called being in denial after these pics Ashishg55 (talk) 04:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- i think its good "encyclopedic" news ;) Ashish-g55 (talk) 04:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Makes a change from all the deaths... --candle•wicke 15:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- ok so the lunar landing 40th anniversary is tomorrow. it would make great news item. i am not sure how much is being covered by OTD. Ashish-g55 (talk) 15:56, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Makes a change from all the deaths... --candle•wicke 15:00, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- i think its good "encyclopedic" news ;) Ashish-g55 (talk) 04:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- nonetheless ppl will be interested in looking at these images as a proof that landings did take place. theorists can deny anything... its just called being in denial after these pics Ashishg55 (talk) 04:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose - 40th anniversary of the biggest fake in the world history - moon landing - not for ITN --TouLouse (talk) 16:39, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- See? :D Not everyone is convinced by the new evidence... oh well... back to death and misery... --candle•wicke 16:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Oh you're probably right but if I found it that easy to question their validity I doubt the real hardcore conspiracy theorists will bat an eyelid at them... --candle•wicke 02:26, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- An intention that has been stated publicly several times as a mission of LRO. Still, this does not rise to the level of notability. And some conspiracy theorists will never be convinced no matter how much evidence is laid before them, despite the utter lack of concrete evidence to prove a conspiracy. See Penn & Teller: Bullshit!, episode "Conspiracy Theories". --Kitch (Talk : Contrib) 19:14, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- lol i know. the hoax ppl will say they were doctored. but come on its NASA... i dont wanna lose my trust in everything out there. Ashishg55 (talk) 02:13, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- "The release of the images coincides with the 40th anniversary of the first manned mission to land on the Moon." Hmmm... something fishy about all this... it's almost like they got released on purpose... --candle•wicke 02:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Missing US soldier appears on video
What about this? Do we have an article on him yet? Offliner (talk) 08:49, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- Just a video? I don't think so... Isn't he still alive? Last time I nominated a slain captive and oppositions were overwhelming. --BorgQueen (talk) 08:52, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
- This one isn't even dead yet... he might even get out alive... --candle•wicke 15:01, 19 July 2009 (UTC)