User talk:Yunshui

DIplomatic Incident

I've tried to play diplomat here and satisfy the chief complainer, but even after rewriting the entire article and addressing her concerns the user seems to be still dissatisfied. ♥ Solarra ♥ ^{♪ Talk ♪} ߷ _{♀ Contribs ♀} 15:03, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeech. Like I said above, you can't half pick 'em... As I write this, though, it looks as though the dispute is dying down; Katie's struck a lot of her arguments and the two AFDs look as though they should resolve the issues. Your handling of the situation was fine; your comments at ANI were calm, balanced and aimed at establishing consensus rather than "winning". You've done a good job of AGF, keeping in mind that all parties involved actually want the same thing; a reliably sourced article if possible and a deletion if not. The only minor thing I'd take issue with (and it's very minor) is your !votes at the AFD discussions; whilst "per nom" is perfectly valid, is doesn't add anything useful to the debate, and such pile-on !votes will generally be discounted by the reviewing admin. Something a bit more substantial might have been preferable there. Other than that, though, I think you dealt with it much as I would have done myself, which (given that I'm apparently #1, see section below) is high praise indeed... Yunshui 雲‍水 07:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

RevDelete request

Hi Yunshui. I noticed a series of personal attack/harassment edits about a child at Nashua High School North on March 21, 2013. They have been reverted, but can still of course be viewed through the edit history of the article. I did a quick Internet search and the student mentioned in the edits is real; it is indeed a 14/15-year-old student at the school. Whomever made those edits likely did it to bully this kid, and still has the ability to show those edits to others to continue the harassment. Therefore, per #2 and #3 of WP:CFRD, can you please revdelete all eight of the March 21 edits so that this child's name cannot be viewed by any more editors? Thank you very much. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 17:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Done. Please let me know if I missed anything, and thanks for pointing it out! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:14, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

WK, you're the best. Thank you so much. :) You might want to add your name to CAT:REVDEL list. --76.189.111.2 (talk) 20:21, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

That's up for debate, but thanks nonetheless. I should, at that; it's one of those things I keep meaning to do. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:25, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Done. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 20:28, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

No debate from me because any admin who would TPS to take action about those types of edits as quickly as you did is great in my book. Although Yunshui is #1 on my list of favorite admins, you have now moved to near the top of the list. Haha. And I'm glad to see that you added your name to the revdelete list; the admins willing to do those are offering a very valuable service. Thanks again! --76.189.111.2 (talk) 20:37, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Nice to be #1 at something... Thanks for stepping up to the plate, Writ; your stalking of me is very much appreciated. Although my neighbour says if you don't put the binoculars away and get off his roof, he's going to call the police. Yunshui 雲‍水 06:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

He's just jealous. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:18, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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Siddharth Narayan

Hi Yunshui, You declined the protection request for some days ago since there were no source(s) for his birthdate. I have now added a source. Could you take a took and take actions since IPs and new users have been rapidly changing the birth year. Tolly4bolly 12:39, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough - I've silverlocked it for a month; let me know if they reappear after the protection expires. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:53, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I will either let you know or request it on WP:RPP. Tolly4bolly 12:55, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

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Questions about adding "Garnet Capital Advisors" article

Hi,

I am trying to figure out the best way to go about having an organization, in this case Garnet Capital Advisors (which is mentioned in other Wikipedia articles such as "Loan Sale", "Mission Capital Advisors", etc. I feel as though it would be a great addition to Wikipedia and would like some advice as to best go about it because it seems as though doing it myself might create conflict of interest issues. Any advice/direction would be greatly appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garnetcap2013 (talk • contribs) 20:57, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Garnetcap2013. Before you do anything else, I'd strongly suggest you file for a change of username at this page - your current username doesn't meet our username policy, and you're liable to be blocked if you continue to use it. Not a threat, just advice - obviously, blocked editors don't have much success with creating articles!

As far as the company goes, I'm on the fence as to whether an article would be suitable or not. Wikipedia has specific requirements for a subject to be worthy of inclusion ("notable"): namely, coverage in third-party sources. There's a bit of news coverage in Google's archives and HighBeam Research (paid access only), and a couple of books that mention the company, but it seems to be mostly passing references, statements by the company, and press releases. None of these meet the basic requirements for a Wikipedia article; that is to say: in depth coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources. As one of the top three debt brokers (in 2007, at least), one would expect the company to be as notable as its peers, but no company is considered notable purely because others in its field are.

I'd suggest, if you're set on creating the article, that you do so via Articles for creation, allowing other editors to review your submission before it goes "live". Alternatively, you can create it in a subpage of your own userspace (such as User:Garnetcap2013/Garnet Capital Advisors) and ask other editors to review it there (I'd be happy to, if you want). You should restrict yourself to information that has been published in sources that are independent of GCA, although you can use GCA itself as a source for non-controversial claims (such as staffing numbers or office locations). Don't under any circumstances copy text from the company's website or press materials, even if you wrote it yourself, and make sure you maintain a neutral tone; any hint of advertising will get you stomped on!). If you only read one of the many blue links in this reply, make it this one (or maybe this one), since your conflict of interest is the issue that most other editors will raise if you run into any problems. You may also want to have a look at Your first article for some basic pointers. Best of luck. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:27, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Indian Princess (play)

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:02, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

An Admin/ profi wikipidian in mechanical engineering ?

Hello Yunshui ! I would like to ask you to introduce me to an admin or a profi-level Wikipedian who controls, guides or watches over the articles related to engineering or mechanical engineering specially. As I have recently added the Suggest-bot to my talk page and have a lot of stuff to edit and contribute I would like to discuss it on times with a person related to the field. For the CSD nominations and twinkle I will need some more observation and time till I begin with twinkle again. Thank you ! :-) Ghorpaapi (talk) 10:18, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Some experienced editors I know of who are engineers (or interested in engineering) would be Guy Macon, OverlordQ, David Biddulph, Trident13 and TriiipleThreat. If that's an area you want to get involved with, I'd suggest joining the Engineering WikiProject, where most engineering-related articles and editors are listed. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:33, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Yunshui ! I guess I am going to contact Trident13 in case he is willing to adopt me or watch over my edits ? Ghorpaapi (talk) 12:20, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ha Po-gyong

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Felix Wilfer

Hi I try to create a page but it got deleted again within 2 days - I am working on more facts.

how can I access this page again? Thanks, Michael — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilfermichi (talk • contribs) 19:05, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

The article is currently at AFC: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Felix Wilfer. You can continue to edit it there whilst it waits for review. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:14, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Your guidance and input would be appreciated

Hi Yunshui! :) If possible, can you please comment in a disucssion I'm having on admin Drmies' talk page. I think I may have stumped him, so he's looking for input from others to help us on this matter. Thanks! --76.189.111.2 (talk) 03:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

You stumped the Doctor? Don't you get a prize or something for that? I don't know what you expect me to achieve if Drmies hasn't got an answer, but I'll take a gander. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Haha, yes I did. I always expect you to achieve something really helpful. You have a great ability to logically cut through all the details of a complex issue and move it quickly towards resolution. I was actually going to write to you first about this, but I thought you were off for the night. Thanks a lot for your help on this. :) --76.189.111.2 (talk) 07:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

I was; nothing starts off the day like a massive, convoluted, multi-page move discussion... Haven't even had my coffee yet. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:49, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Haha. Yikes, sorry I started your day that way! Btw, I've never had coffee in my life. When I was I little kid, I always thought it smelled terrible so that pretty much ended any possibility that I'd ever drink it. ;) 76.189.111.2 (talk) 08:26, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

You're missing out on one of life's great pleasures... although personally I do prefer tea. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:28, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

The secret to coffee is to put enough creamer in it so that it doesn't taste like coffee. I usually just skip the middleman and drink the creamer straight. Ah, to be young. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:46, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

The secret to coffee is: don't buy shitty coffee. Or perhaps do. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:55, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks a million for shutting down that bungled RM at Talk:Mobile metropolitan area. To be fair to Apteva they were just trying to mitigate what was already a mess, but they ended up just making things much worse. Again, good call.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:36, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't for a moment think that Apteva was deliberately trying to derail the process, but the ultimate effect was to turn lots of small but potentially resolvable messes into one overarching, insoluble übermess... Hopefully a restarted discussion will avoid any similar issues. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:40, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Hwahyejang

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Please.

• Hi Yunshui, would you please take a look at Mahira Khan to fix that.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 08:18, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Pending changes accepted; your revert is now the current version. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:21, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

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Brother Cream

Hello Yunshui: I noticed that you deleted Brother Cream because it duplicates an existing topic, Tsim Tung Brother Cream. First of all, this is fine. The deleted article had several Chinese-language sources in it that would be useful in the existent article. Therefore, I'm requesting that you please WP:REFUND the deleted article to User:Northamerica1000/Brother Cream (on a temporary basis) so I can examine it and utilize the reliable sources. Thanks, Northamerica1000^(talk) 14:28, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Good idea. It's done. Yunshui 雲‍水 21:25, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, it's appreciated. After I'm done with the userfied page, I'll speedy it (probably within a week or so). Northamerica1000^(talk) 13:22, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

CSD question nomination

Hello Yunshui ! I am here to bother you again with my questions. Please have a look at this article Namseoul Gong Hak 2Kan and if I am going to tag it with A7 and also tag it for the lack of notability is it the right tag ? Ghorpaapi (talk) 09:41, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

As a building, it doesn't qualify for A7 (which only applies to people, individual animals, companies and web content). Unfortunately, there's also just enough content and context to prevent A1 or A3 from being used as well. I hate stuff like this - it obviously needs to go, but I'm afraid there's no quick way of doing so; your best bet is to either tag it with {{subst:Proposed deletion|reason=Non-notable university building}} or simply delete all the text and replace with #REDIRECT [[Namseoul University]] to redirect the page to the main university article. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:52, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

thank you for the detailed explaination .Ghorpaapi (talk) 09:57, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure. Thank you for having the good sense to ask about something you weren't sure of - no shame in that, and I wish more people would do so! Yunshui 雲‍水 10:00, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes I would not like to be condemned for talking a false path, I will prefer to ask you instead. Now another discussion opn this Public Policy and Management Institute (PPMI), when I came across this article in the special pages feed after reading it my reaction was to only remove the advertising language. Nextly I wondered to check the sources instead but and then came across the fact that the text is

1. copy pasted
2. the references and citations do not look to be third party resources but primary resources instead.

So tagging it for speedy deletion or nomination for deletion would be the right way? Ghorpaapi (talk) 10:21, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Pretty clear copyright violation of their LinkedIn page - tag it with {{db-g12|http://www.linkedin.com/company/public-policy-and-management-institute}}. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:24, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

The link of copyvio came of great help as well. Thank you Ghorpaapi (talk) 10:58, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Yunshui ! Would you like to give me a short and in brief feedback about todays activity in case you noticed ? thank you Ghorpaapi (talk) 13:53, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Glancing through your edits, it looks as though everything you tagged yesterday was deleted, so you're obviously getting the hang of things. Since you use Twinkle, I'd recommend you go to the Twinkle Preferences panel and tick the box marked "Keep a log in userspace of all CSD nominations"; this will create the page User:Ghorpaapi/CSD log and track everything you nominate there.

There were a couple of incorrect tags: Damian matthews should have been tagged G10: Attack page rather than A1/A7 (G10 tags get flagged on the admin dashboard, so are usually dealt with more quickly than other types of CSD); Katzepferds should have been G3: Blatant hoax rather than A3:No content, since it contained text but was clearly nonsense; Icemanism was another G3 candidate, but wasn't appropriate for A1 or A7, with which you tagged it; and whilst it was blatant advertising (G11), Hob khadka was not a hoax, as you tagged it (a simple check of the link in the article would have esatblished this).

Overall, then, I'd say you're showing considerable competence in recognising when something needs deletion, but you struggle to define why it needs deletion. It might help to improve your understanding if you have a crack at this (new) CSD quiz; it's a bit more specific than the last one and is designed to make sure you've really read and internalised the policy. All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 07:22, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Wow ! :D Thank you very much for your comments on every tag. Indeed, I expected a similar summary because while tagging those articles yesterday I was sure that they do have extremely low chances of not being tagged for speedy deletion but the reason/explaination why was bringing me to scratch my head. The test looks really good a tough one but I am planning to do it in parts whenever I can find time in the next 2 days. Ghorpaapi (talk) 08:07, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Glad I could help (incidentally, the tags I didn't mention above looked correct, I probably should have mentioned that...). Take all the time you need for the test; ping me when you're done and I'll take a look for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:10, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Deletion: Cygnet Infotech article

Hi Yunshui,

I am sending this message after reading the description page of 'Did I delete your page' and it was quite informative. I am not a regular wikipedia author. I clicked on 'Save' assuming save doesn't mean 'Publish' like on blogs. I was thinking of building up the article on Cygnet Infotech(http://www.cygnet-infotech.com/) before publishing it by including text that signifies its importance. This company is the creator of Multiple Software Products eg. TestingWhiz(http://testing-whiz.com/), Opticfocus, M1, etc.

I would like your help to get the creation of this article back on track again.

Thanks, Tushar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Logichulk (talk • contribs) 13:19, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tushar. Normally I would undelete the page and move it to userspace for you; however, since the content consisted only of the line "Cygnet Infotech is an IT services and products provider. The company was established in 2000, in Ahmedabad, India." you can simply copy-and-paste that to a draft page, and work from there. I'd suggest you create the page in userspace as User:Logichulk/Cygnet Infotech and get it to a presentable state there before trying to put it up as an article again.

You should read the conflict of interest guideline, since it appears from your talkpage message that you own/work for the company. Users who have a conflict of interest like this need to be extremely wary of editing (and especially of creating) pages about their company; the FAQ for organisations will give you an idea of the sort of issues that can occur.

I also have serious doubts about whether Cygnet meets Wikipedia's inclusion requirements for companies; a (fairly brief) search of Google's archive only found press releases (which, as non-independent sources, are not much use to us) and a couple of passing mentions (which do not provide the significant coverage required by our notability guidelines); searching Highbeam Research came up with nothing (meaning the company has had virtually no exposure in the English-language press). On the offchance, I also looked at Google Books and Google Scholar, Books gleaned a couple of directory entries (useless for Wikipedia's purposes) and Scholar nothing at all. It seems very unlikely that an article on Cygnet Infotech would be retained once created; my advice would be to focus your efforts elsewhere. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:39, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui,

I really appreciate your reply and the time you have put into it. It clarifies a lot of things. I am not the owner of this company but merely an employee of this company. I am not going to contest the deletion if you say so, but please do reflect upon what I have to say and if possible comment back on what you make out of it.

Wikipedia has a full article on a Nation called 'Nauru'(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru) which has but a population of over 9,000. Now, not many people would find this country 'Notable' coz its just an island that chose to be a nation after all. However, for these 9,000 people it matters that they be represented as a separate nation and not get clubbed together with some other islands. What makes Wikipedia truly Global is the fact that it allows regional entities from around the world to express themselves so that people from those regions don't feel that they are isolated from the rest of the world even if their global standing is puny in comparison with the bigger players.

Now this company Cygnet has been around since the year 2000 which makes it older than Wikipedia which started in the year 2001. It has got a staff of around 400 people which for an IT company makes it a Medium sized company rather than a Small sized company. Considering the employees, ex-employees and their family members, other IT guys and other people in this city, the clients of this company, etc, the number of people knowing about this company could be well over 40,000 - perhaps even more than the people who would have heard of the country called Nauru. The precedence given to a Nation over an Organization could be well-meaning in that an organization might try to put in promotional content for profit reasons, but then so might a country try to put 'promotional material' to attract tourism.

What is preventing this company from being mentioned here is simple and that is: Internet Penetration in its region. People in this Ahmedabad city of 5,570,585 are more interested in watching IPL matches and dance shows on TVs or just hanging out with friends than surfing for videos on YouTube. We don't have much of an internet culture here even though the connectivity is available at very economical prices. If people want to find a way to a destination, they will stop and ask a passerby on road rather than look up a Google Map. One could say that Computer illiteracy is high over here coz people enjoy being outdoor more over here than sit in front of the computer even if they have one. Thats their nature. So if you are looking for 'Public Sites' to link to a well-known IT company in this city, its going to be highly unlikely. You looked up Google but Google is based in the US and has even pulled out of notable countries like China. Also, though Google tries to show you a result based on your location, its search results for non-US countries are not up to the mark. Its not truly global as in a place where actual people from those regions are surveyed to ask whether the results shown for those regions are complete and accurate.

Now when Cygnet talks to its clientele which are around the world and have pages right here on Wikipedia too, it can matter to them that there exists a NEUTRAL wikipedia article about this company that is monitored by highly capable and critically-inclined editors like you rather than our company page being the sole descriptor which is ofcourse going to host a heavy dose of self-promotional and narcissistic stuff. Not having a Wikipedia article doesn't necessarily affect a company that has established itself well over a period of 12 years. However, I asked the marketing staff over here why we don't have a Wikipedia page yet(I am Software Engineer here) as I found it appalling even though we are well-known in the region and this is what I got minutes back:

"Hi Tushar,

XXXX from our Marketing Team has tried multiple instances and has the complete history of adding TestingWhiz. It’s not possible to have a separate page until we have atleast 4 public sites mentioning TestingWhiz. "

"We have tried earlier with same result. Too many watchdogs for preventing promotional content"

Now let me tell you...the way these guys must have gone about adding would be the forceful way of repeatedly trying to create the article coz I see their accounts suspended. They just didn't understand the mysterious ways in which this place works!(Like even I clicked on 'Save' not knowing it would 'Publish' the article) Like I said, there isn't much of an Internet Culture here. Consider this is the condition within an IT company in this region. Consider the condition of an average Joe in this city which by the way is the third-fastest growing city in the world and the fastest-growing in India. It means people lack a lot with regards to Internet know-how. However, it doesn't necessarily mean people are idiots and can't argue for their rights when they really want to. Its upto people already part of the Internet culture like you to decide whether they would like to include these new people who might annoy you with their lack of ken regarding the Internet and its ways to begin with but can definitely catch up fast. There will be a start and it will come now or later depending on the attitude of people of other regions from around the world who are already well-versed with Internet. Its upto you to decide whether you want newer people from lesser known regions to join you by allowing them the space to express themselves on a site that aims to be inclusive. For example, right now depending on your response to this post, I'll be able to tell my guys over here either:

"No guys, you didn't try it correctly. I got to know from a friendly editor that this is how its done."

OR

"Yup. You are right fellas. Even the most friendly guy I could find on Wikipedia said 'It seems very unlikely that an article on Cygnet Infotech would be retained once created; my advice would be to focus your efforts elsewhere.'. So lets just create our own wiki for this region where we can put in content that matters to this region as our next product.".

Let me tell you if we do that, I'll definitely contact you to get hired here as a Paid editor for that new wiki coz you seem to be very efficient in running things here regardless of the fact that my article was deleted.

Thanks,
Tushar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Logichulk (talk • contribs) 15:03, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

You're an employee, so you have a conflict of interest. Also, you have a misunderstanding about what notability is. Notability means you have multiple significant coverages in major reliable sources. Not population, not clientele. That is the definition of notability. You'll need to create any article that you want to (which is going to be highly discouraged to do so about your company) following these steps:

1. Find a newspaper article (or other reliable source), not including interviews or press releases.
2. Put some facts from that article in an article paragraph format
3. Find another reliable source
4. Continue

If you do that, and only write facts in a neutral tone, I'm sure your article will be accepted if it is notable. gwickwire^talk_editing 15:09, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Man,

Look all I know is I am done trying to create this wikipedia article here. I am a salaried employee and not a stake holder and neither is the creation of a wikipedia article part of my job. Do I have an interest apart from commercial? Ofcourse! Who would like their organization to not have a Wikipedia page especially if its well-known by word-of-mouth! Why would a person who doesn't have ANY interest in a company try to create an article on it? Such idealistic concepts don't work well in a real-world free-market economy that thrives on personal motivation. What can be done is adding REGULATION and CENSORING to the content being added here which I see is already playing its part too well. You definitely don't expect me to create a page on other similar-sized company like say 'Gateway' (who also doesn't have their pages here btw) on which I might not be a reliable authority and in the worst case their competitor who adds false information on them!

Please don't mind my harsh words. They are directed at the overall situation of helplessness rather than you people who I believe were trying their best to help and for which you have my humble gratitude.

If 'Conflict of Interest' questions neutrality of the author, then it would be best if one of the authors/editors or someone who reads this comment someday who doesn't have a 'Conflict of Interest' and still has the time to write about something as uninteresting as a commercial setup and the extra time on hands to contend a 'Speedy deletion' create an article about this company instead. Its Cygnet-Infotech. Remember the name.

Thanks,
Tushar

Hi Tushar. Unfortunately, in part due to its inclusion criteria, in part due to its demographic, Wikipedia does suffer from a degree of systemic bias in favour of Western subjects. We attempt to counter this where possible (for example, by accepting offline sources and putting together taskforces to address the issue), but the fact remains that if your company just hasn't had the coverage necessary (whether through location, local media conditions or whatever) it won't be included here. That's not in any way a statement on the quality of the company or its products, merely an observation based on Wikipedia's rules.

Essentially, everything on Wikipedia boils down to what's been said about a subject elsewhere. If no-one else has written about Cygnet, then we have nothing to write about here. My suggestion, for what it's worth, would be that you list the company at Requested Articles, which will get more editors' eyes on it than a note on my talkpage - it may be that someone will pick up the baton (we do have a large number of Indian editors, at least some of whom I know to be based in Ahmedabad) and find local offline sources that could suppoprt an article. Regards, Yunshui 雲‍水 06:59, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally, I should add that the above applies to the English version of Wikipedia, but the Gujarati and Hindi versions may (I can't read either languages, so don't know for certain) have different requirements and would probably be better placed to locate sources - you may want to try creating articles for one or both of them instead. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:03, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui,

Read the article on Systemic bias and other links you provided and am generally impressed with the amount of effort that people here are putting in to bring in a sense of transparency to the system. Frankly, Wikipedia Systemic Bias is not as big an issue as is made out in that article coz clearly the bias is against people in regions where basic necessities or other things in life matter more than getting a fair share of their content on an encylcopedia. And there are practical solutions to solve it.

Now, there are two ways of going about this issue at hand. One is like you suggested I go ask other editors and try to convince them again to add stuff, request/beg them, play the victim, etc. Neither is it going to make me happy nor you coz basically it was your call to delete that article and you still stand by it according to your rules (which I respect coz I am pretty sure there are valid reasons considering the scale at which this encyclopedia runs). So what you are offerring me here is a sympathetic consolation by asking me to get this article authored by some other editor. Basically you are offerring a compromise that drives both of us towards escaping the issues we both find a bit uncomfortable to deal with.

Now the second approach is this: We stop talking right here and do what we do best. I will try to develop a new product as part of this company leaving the authoring part to you(As clearly I don't qualify as neutral on the topic that interest me here). I'd like to add that the reason that not much was found about this company online is because its products were named differently due to branding reasons. For example, search for the term 'Optifocus' (Practice management software for the opticians) - an older product of this company and I am sure you won't be dissapointed. You might not object if I created an article on it. However, the creation of an article on 'Optifocus' doesn't interest me coz its a dead product.

However what interests me is the fact that your serious hobby of being a wikipedia editor frequently involves looking up various online sources for verification - a repetitive manual task worthy of software automation. Guess what? At the peril of sounding like a salesman(Which I am again not) trying to buy a wikipedia editor(or donate to wikipedia in his own way perhaps), let me tell you that the a product of this company 'TestingWhiz' (http://www.testing-whiz.com/) does exactly that! And soon it will have a free version too. However, whether you like it or not, you are being selected already to get a full version of the new release 3.0 for free which is going to be unvelied in the Star East Testers' conference(http://stareast.techwell.com/). I'd request you to please try it out as I am pretty sure it suits your use-case very well. For example, you would be able to put automated scripts that check for certain content and schedule its execution so that you can monitor them over a period of time. Or perhaps have a script that checks all your sources and generates a report when you feed in your search term. Now depending on your experience, you will be either a satisfied or a dissatisfied user and hence you yourself will become highly qualified to create an article on TestingWhiz meeting all the criterion as you would be:

1. A responsible Wikipedia editor
2. A user of the product and hence a reliable authority
3. Having no conflict of interest whatsover as users are the best reviewers and critics of a product but not associated with it.

Now, at the risk of losing out on a potential long-term customer, let me direct you to a page of other test automation tools right here on Wikipedia --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Test_automation#Notable_test_automation_tools . Now, as you see...I thought of adding an entry 'TestingWhiz' to the table not really knowing a wikipedia editor's definition of the term 'Notable' in the heading. Then I thought "Ouch! It might look bad if I put something under the 'Tool name' but leave the 'Produced by' blank". Then I thought "Oh hold on...why not link the comapany name to an article on the company to point to provide more information rather than use plain text". Then I created the article with a single line and clicked on 'Save' not knowing that means 'Publish' and before I could add something more meaningful to the article, I got to know what is meant by 'Speedy Deletion'...and thats how I landed up here on your page Yunshui.

So now that its settled who is going to create an article on 'TestingWhiz' if there is ever going to be one, lets come to the next article to be created which was in the original question: 'Cygnet-Infotech'. Like earlier covered, coz the company name seems to have suffered from anonymity because of naming its products differently due to branding reasons, the next product will be called 'Cygnet' itself and will aspire to be the flagship product so that it carries the name of the company along. What it will be is a different story. However, keep on checking your sources every few months to see if the term 'Cygnet' pops up and becomes notable(You can probably use TestingWhiz to aid you automate this if you wish to). DO NOT create the article before that. Because it would be best that not 'someone' but you yourself - the one who deleted that article(rightfully perhaps) - pick the baton when that happens. Add that entry only when it complies with all the rules and regulations and policies that you know. That you know of its presense and the very duty of being a responsible editor that bound you to delete that article shouts back at you to put something on this encyclopedia to inform the world of something worthy and 'notable' that is missing here. And then, you should add two more entries to the list under the words 'A few of the articles I've created, expanded, fixed up or otherwise done major work on' on your user page. Call it wishful thinking on my part but definitely a more interesting and entertaining approach.

Thanks,
Tushar

PS: Its easy for you to accept the second solution. Just don't reply on this thread coz frankly neither of us should be interested in talking further on a dead topic which can only be revived with something of a more concrete nature than a mere discussion whether on this page or any other. I really wanna divert my useless aggression to something productive. I really do appreciate your help mind you!

...Words fail me. Did you seriously just try to sign me up to a free trial of your company's product on my Wikipedia talkpage? Thank you, but no.

I think it's pretty clear by this point that we are talking at cross-purposes; you evidently haven't understood what I've said at all. In a last ditch effort, let me reiterate this as concisely as I can:

• Wikipedia only retains articles about notable subjects.
• Notable, on Wikipedia, has a specific meaning. A subject is notable iff it has received significant coverage (not passing mentions or namechecks) in multiple (two or more), reliable (editorially oversighted and published), independent (not affiliated, related or otherwise connected to the subject) sources.
• Cygnet Infotech and TestingWhiz do not appear, at this point in time, to have been the subject of such coverage. They are therefore, in Wikipedia terms only, non-notable, and do not merit an article.

Incidentally, Optifocus seems to have received enough coverage to be notable - or would have, if you meant the lensed fibre product produced by Corning Inc. or the optical engine technology from Seiko Epson of the same name; I'm guessing, however, that you don't. It comes down to this: if you want an article about your company on Wikipedia, you need to provide suitable sources. If they don't exist, neither does the article. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:16, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui,

"...Words fail me. Did you seriously just try to sign me up to a free trial of your company's product on my Wikipedia talkpage? Thank you, but no."

I don't see anything wrong if our product helps you and helps wikipedia. Helps everyone in short. I am just seeing a use-case right in front of me and staying silent worse than talking about it. If you wish not to be signed up, its perfectly OK with me. I am sorry about writing it on your talk page if it offended you but as per your welcome message: "I will generally respond here to comments that are posted here, rather than replying via your talk page " ...so I didn't know where else to write what I had to, being the novice I am anyway.

"Cygnet Infotech and TestingWhiz do not appear, at this point in time, to have been the subject of such coverage. They are therefore, in Wikipedia terms only, non-notable, and do not merit an article."

Correct. I agree to everything that you just said. Give me 1 year and I'll contact you back right here on this page to check if things meet your definitions then.

Thanks,
Tushar

DYK for Park Chan-su

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

irrelevant to Wikipedia ...

Hi Yunshui,

I see that you have described yourself as "a bookseller with some experience of antiquities buying", and that you are interested in Japanese history. I collect atlases, particularly those printed between 1820 and 1920. I don't mind what language they are in, and I find historical atlases particularly interesting. So if you ever have an atlas to sell, I hope you will let me know. I have only one Japanese historical atlas, I can't tell you its title as I don't read Japanese, but it has a crimson velvet cover, lives in a ginger-coloured case, and its preface is dated 1956-08-10. So I would be particularly interested in any other Japanese (or Korean, or maybe Chinese) historical atlases that you happen to have for sale. Maproom (talk) 17:04, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Maproom. Whilst I share at least some of your enthusiasm for historical mapping (in fact my current bedside read is Harvey's Medieval Maps of the Holy Land (ISBN 9780712358248), which I recommend if you don't have it already, you sound as though you'd enjoy it!) my experiences in the antiquarian trade are sadly some years behind me. Nowadays, I mainly sell academic textbooks and medical titles - less interesting, but a more reliable source of income... However I do still know one or two folk in the rare book trade, so I'll put out some feelers for you; if anything comes back, I'll drop you an email. All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 06:44, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Reply at my talk page

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The Greeks

Hi Yunshui,

And thanks for your message about The Greeks. The page is here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Greeks_(book)&action=submit

(Whatever that is - I'm new to this.)

Thought it might be good to at least be on the same page before discussing.

Thanks again,

Fred — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fred Biggin (talk • contribs) 12:58, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Fred. Okay, well your first step need to be the creation of that page. Since you've already done some work on it, we can use that as a first step - start by copying your text from here (ignore the sandbox bit above the thick black line) and paste it into the creation page here. At the bottom of the page, type this: {{Reflist}}. Save the page.

You've now created a basic article. At the moment, it only has one source, which is the book itself - that isn't enough to show that the subject is notable, and so in its current form, the page is not very suitable for Wikipedia. Your next task should be to find some sources which talk about or review The Greeks, and add them using the same format as you have for the reference to The Greeks itself. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:25, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Other, less vital, stuff:

• You can add a template to the page with basic details about the book - go to Template:Infobox book and copy the code in the box under the "Usage" section to the top of your article. Fill in all the parameters you can, leave the rest blank, and save the page. Adding this will also italicise the title of the page.
• You will want to add links to other article into the text - the obvious one is H. D. F. Kitto. Put double square brackets around such terms, like this: [[H. D. F. Kitto]]. The spelling needs to be precisely the same as the article title: [[HDF. Kitto]], for example, won't work.
• Don't worry about the "(book)" bit at the end of the title - we can fix that with a page move. You'll need an administrator to do that (since the target page, The Greeks, already exists) - let me know when you're read and I'll do it for you.
• Add a hatnote to the page to direct people to other uses, specifically Greeks and Greeks (finance).

And as always, if you need a hand, ask. I'm around for another half-hour or so, after that, try the Teahouse, they're jolly helpful. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:35, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again Yunshui. Sorry for the slow reply - it's taken me half a day to find you again, or find a way of contacting you. (I don't find the site easy to navigate.)

As for notablity, I think it is "generally agreed" that The Greeks is notable. Googling around will tell you that, in addition to the review excerpts on the back cover which I quoted. Also author HDF Kitto has his own Wikipedia page in which The Greeks is mentioned as his main work.

However I take your point about Wikipedia needing citable external sources. Unhappily there aren't any of these that I can find online, because the book predates the Internet by so many years. (I went back 10 pages in Google.)

So we have a book that nearly everyone who's read it agrees is a classic, which has been used as a university text for six decades, and which was very well-reviewed in 1951 - but no documentary way of proving any of this. What next?

I adopted your suggestion of pasting in the basic details template, thanks.

I had already linked the article to HDF Kitto - I can click on that & go to the Kitto page. Can you not? (I coded it in a way I didn't need to use the redundant full stops in the Kitto page title.)

Thanks for fixing the numbering.

I know what a hatnote is, but don't know how to format one. Where can I find that info?

I read the hatnote page, but I'm afraid I just don't comprehend it at all. Is there a simple template I can drop in? (I know the hatnote page is full of templates, but the instructions on how to use them don't make sense to me.)

Thanks again for your constructive help, Yunshui.

Fred Biggin (talk) 06:11, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Fred. The above messages were posted before you created the page, and were based on your sandbox edit - you can largely ignore them now. The Greeks is definitely a suitable article for Wikipedia (it meets criterion #4 of the notability requirements for books) and if you check the current version of the page, you'll see that Tokyogirl has located and added a number of additional sources to shore it up (she's exceedingly good at that sort of thing!). Hatnote-wise, the code you want is this: {{About|the book by [[H.D.F. Kitto|HDF Kitto]]|the ethnic group|Greeks|the finance term|Greeks (finance)}} - I'll add it to the page for you in a moment.

Always happy to help; now that you know how to find me, do feel free to ask if you run across anything that you struggle with in future. And don't worry about the (apparent) complexity of the site - trust me, after a surprisingly short time you'll get a handle on it; it just takes a bit of practice. All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 07:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks again Yunshui - and also Tokyogirl (yes, she is good) in case she is reading this.

More questions, sorry:

1. I saved a draft but this generated an edit conflict - perhaps because you or Tokyogirl were doing your edits at the same time. Is this a problem? The main thing I'd changed was adding the box with all the basic details of the book in it. (I found the template.) That's appeared. It even seems to be in the right spot (over to the right). Did it appear there automatically, or did one of you put it there?

2. I can't see a hatnote yet.

3. I've got a bunch of covers (about 10) of various editions of the book. How many should I put in, & is there a simple way to do it? (Don't enjoy combing through manuals for hours looking for the right bit of code - I just don't have that sort of time available.)

4. So anything further I want to add, I add to the latest version as completed by Tokyogirl, yes?

5. At what point does the thing go live?

Thanks again,

Fred Biggin (talk) 09:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Fred. In response to your questions:

1. That does sometimes happen (and it's a right pain when it does!). When you hit an edit conflict, the upper of the two edit windows that you see is what will be saved - so the simplest thing to do is copy your changes from the lower window to the upper window and save again. Otherwise, your edit will be lost.

2. It's the line at the top that begins: "This article is about the book..."

3. I'd suggest you scan and upload only the first edition cover (unless it's horrifically dull and one of the others is more visually engaging). There are details about using book covers as images here, which may help a bit. On the left of your screen is a Toolbox menu, under which you can find the option "Upload file"; this will take you to an upload wizard which will guide you through the process step-by-step. I would imagine that you would need to licence the images under fair use.

4. Yes - just go to the page, click on the Edit tab at the top, and have at it!

5. It's live right now, and has been since you created it - anyone searching Wikipedia for The Greeks (book) will find it. That said, it would be easier to find at The Greeks - so I'll move it there now.

All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 10:00, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yunshui,

Thanks for the above.

The hatnote wasn't there when I wrote, but I can see it now.

I went thru the upload procedure, but WP won't let me upload a photo because I haven't been a member long enough. However I can ask someone else to do it - tho I'm not clear on how...?

Thanks again,

Fred Biggin (talk) 11:09, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I should have thought of that; you aren't autoconfirmed yet, so naturally you can't upload images... Nevermind, I'll do it for you; I can't do so on this computer but I'll upload and add the file this evening. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:47, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Okay, thanks.

Do you want me to send you a cover (or three) - and if so how?

Or will you find them yourself?

Fred Biggin (talk) 14:10, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Yunshui - that looks very good now.

And thanks for guiding me thru the process (to say nothing of doing most of the work).

The extract from the book was deleted. Are excerpts against WP policy?

It's a pity I can't expand the page a bit, but there's just so little source material on the book.

Look forward to doing the next one.

All the best,

Fred Biggin (talk) 02:34, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Ereunetes

This editor is now engaged in POINTy behaviour - he is going through a list of all articles I created to find any that violate OPENPARA (i.e. ones I created years and years ago and haven't been fixed yet) and removing the information as opposed to relocating it, as would be sensible. I fear he is becoming disruptive, and I would appreciate you having another quick word with them. Thanks, GiantSnowman 20:33, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

He seems to have stopped now. In fairness to Ereunetes, the infoboxes on all those articles did contain birth location details, so the data wasn't actually lost from the page entirely. Having said that, coupled with his talkpage responses it looks extremely POINTy - I'll refrain from stepping in and commenting at this juncture for fear of reigniting a (hopefully) now-defused issue, but I'll keep an eye out for any similar behaviour in future. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. GiantSnowman 08:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	Thanks for all of the dedication you have put into making Wikipedia a better place! LatinWolf (talk) 06:16, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Not sure what prompted that, but thank you! Yunshui 雲‍水 07:05, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Probably a feeble attempt to cultivate friends in high places and distract from their alter ego editing activities. RashersTierney (talk) 07:27, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I did wonder... I'll close out the SPI on you, and open a new one for the Norseman2000 account. Thanks for the heads-up. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:33, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for moving on this. I was beginning to feel no-one gave a hoot. RashersTierney (talk) 07:39, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

You may wish to comment at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Latin Wolf. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:49, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Half Barnstar
	Hi Yunshui, Here is a Half Barnstar for being patient enough to put up with me all the while during the discussion on the deletion of my article. Thanks, Tushar Logichulk (talk) 07:46, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Earwig - user boxes

Hello Yunshui,

Wow and double WOW.... the earwig tool user box now looks extra smart! Thank you - I've just managed to make myself a user box for the DYK counter tool as well. SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:59, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

I saw your new DYK one - it was whilst looking at it that I thought, "you know, that Earwig userbox looks a bit sparse..." Glad you like it! Yunshui 雲‍水 14:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Now we'll have to spend time jazzing them all up! What are you still doing here after 3pm? By the way, are you able to close a merge discussion? There was one suggested quite sometime ago for English Setter and with all the migrating of links being done I had missed that it looks to have almost unanimous consensus for the merge? There is no hurry but someone just prompted me to catch a passing Admin....... SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:12, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

What I'm doing, unfortunately, is packing up and going offline - I'm afraid someone else will have to tackle the merge, sorry. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:13, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Help?

Hi Yunshui! I'm turning here for some help with an AfD. I'm kind of frustrated right now because I'm having some trouble with a newer editor. The AfD in question is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arch Enemy Entertainment and what's essentially going on is this:

The article has a handful of sources, but nothing that shows a depth of coverage or that any of their products are so overwhelmingly notable that they'd really show that they're particularly notable. They're "just" a comic production company, so they're less likely to gain notice than if they were a publisher. Production companies are the "man behind the curtain" for the most part. In any case, I ended up removing a lot and I repeat a LOT of sources that were primary and a lot of claims that didn't entirely pertain to the actual company. (Things such as this notable person worked for the company, or that that guy went on to work for Dexter, or they were mentioned in this non-mainstream documentary.) I've tried to explain why the sources would be unusable and one source in particular happens to be USA Today. The thing is that USA Today is publishing one of their comics on their website, which makes it primary. I've tried to explain that and they just don't seem to understand. The other issue (which wasn't really that big of an issue to begin with) is that the editor on the AfD is also an intern for the company. I tried explaining why COI and working for the company would leave them inclined to write in a promotional manner or include puffery about the company and its workers, but she took exception to that. I'm just getting frustrated and could use some good third parties to help talk things out. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 03:59, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I've left a note on IDuchess' talkpage in an attempt to boil the issue down to its fundamentals, hopefully that will help her understand the reasoning. I won't !vote at the AFD, since if I did your above message could be seen as canvassing, but I'm happy to converse with IDuchess if she needs more clarification. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:27, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks! If you could just keep an eye on the situation, that'd be great. It's getting well, a little heated in the AfD. Another editor has come in and started getting a little testy, so it might need to be defused. Red Pen of Doom is helping as well, but I'd like to avoid it turning into a free-for-all. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:46, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Jason May

I would like to know why you deleted the page on "Jason May"? With respect, your interests are martial arts, board games and Japanese history. Exactly what do you know about Welsh actors? Jason May is a prominent and professional actor in Wales. He is a notable personality, and he warrants a page on Wikipedia. I strongly protest your decision to delete, and request that it is replaced forthwith. Thank you.Cromanology (talk) 06:54, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Cromanology. Unfortunately, being a notable personality in real life and being a notable personality on Wikipedia are two different concepts - here, "notable" has a highly specific meaning. Nothing in the deleted article gave any indication that Mr May was anything more than a run-of-the-mill jobbing actor, and there were no sources present to suggest that he had received the necessary third-party coverage to warrant an article. I'll restore the page to your userspace at User:Cromanology/Jason May; please work on it there to bring it up to Wikipedia standards before resubmitting. As a bare minimum, you would need to provide at least two citations to reliable sources (IMDB isn't such a source) which provide in-depth, independent coverage of Mr May. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:32, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Sure thing. Thank you. I'm an inexperienced Wikipedia contributor, so please bear with me.Cromanology (talk) 02:00, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

WP:REFUND

Regarding Andrew Grayham Doe, I believe that a userfication request should be fine, even if it's been through AfD. -- King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 07:47, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm more than happy if you want to do so, no complaints from this quarter. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:49, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Actually, you're so right that I've just gone ahead and done it myself. Cheers. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:53, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Bedson sock

Thanks for that. I'd just discovered it and added it to the SPI report. I think we can expect more today and this weekend. Dougweller (talk) 13:40, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

I can barely contain my glee... Thankfully I'm at an aikido course all weekend, so you guys will have to manage without me. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:42, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

On the sockpuppet concerns regarding User:Frank20041

I see that you failed to unblock User:Frank20041 over concerns raised in a sockpuppet investigation. Let me note as the editor who raised those concerns that the concern was that he was a sockpuppet of User:Voidz, and Voidz was found in that investigation not to have been involved in the puppetry that was being investigated. So I find it hard to say that that investigation should be used against him. Might I request that you reconsider his request for unblock? --Nat Gertler (talk) 14:45, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. I'm consulting with the blocking admin; assuming he's cool with it I'll unblock. Yunshui 雲‍水 20:25, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you! --Nat Gertler (talk) 02:03, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Frank20041

Thanks for the message. I've now unblocked him myself, but could you please run a check for autoblocks? The toolserver tells me he's still blocked but the unblocking is logged and should have worked. I'm also considering unblocking the other possibly innocent account caught in that SPI. De728631 (talk) 20:51, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Weirdly the toolserver still shows autoblock #4298660 as being active, but I can't locate it in the current block list. Given how wibbly the toolserver's been recently I'm inclined to put it down to lag - certainly none of the ways I know of to locate and lift an autoblock seem to turn up anything current. Haven't checked the other SPI account (and sadly don't have time to do so right now, I've got to go out), so no opinion there, I'm afraid. Yunshui 雲‍水 21:08, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you: Dev Ross Page

Thank you for your kind help in the removal of the deletion notification on the Dev Ross page. Ms. Ross has been an award winning contributor to the animation world, as well as children's author and performer. The original "speedy deletion" nominator was new and has since posted a note of apology. Your quick intervention is truly appreciated. I will continue to improve this work and look forward to the assistance of anyone else who has knowledge of Ms. Ross's contributions, as well as helpful Wiki editors. SandyC (talk) 03:39, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

REFUND

Unless you are restoring an article to mainspace I'm not entirely sure its the right thing for you to deal with REFUND requests concerning content you deleted. It does rather smack of your being involved and there are enough people who keep an eye on the page. Spartaz ^Humbug! 08:17, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

I'm assuming you're referring to Jason May - I only became aware of the WP:REFUND request after I'd already userfied the page at the creator's direct request (see several threads up this page). Figured I'd save others the trouble of having to look into it by closing the undelete request when I subsequently found it, but I can see your point; if the same situation arises in future I'll leave the request for someone else to deal with. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 19:33, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Wanchojang

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:02, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Need a second opinion

Hey- can you take a look at User:Tokyogirl79/Sunny (writer) and tell me if you think this passes WP:AUTHOR? At first glance there are a lot of reviews, but ultimately they're just through two sources: Publishers Weekly and RT Book Reviews. There is an interview and a piece by one of her local papers, but I'm not sure if this is really enough just yet. I don't want to put this out there without someone else taking a peek at it. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 08:21, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

As it stands now, the author (or rather her works) has not received critical attention that is significant enough to meet WP:AUTHOR. That is, as it stands now. I think you should try digging more ore from this mine. May help. But at quick glance, most of the further interviews listed on Sunny's web page don't seem reliable enough to be included as sources... Mostly non-notable blogs. Happy source-scouring. ☯ Bonkers The Clown \(^_^)/ Nonsensical Babble ☯ 08:40, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

• That's kind of what I was leaning towards. If I'd had just a few more RS covering her or her books, I'd have moved it, but we need more than a local source, PW, and RT. Unfortunately none of the sources on her blog are really usable. The closest one I saw was that Geraldo had done a piece on her, but then I'm not sure if his stuff is really usable as a RS or how in-depth it was. I had been excited over the other news article, which ended up using her more as a sound bite about erotic/romance books in general. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:19, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I tend to agree with your assessment, and Bonkers'. On the offchance that you couldn't access/hadn't checked a couple of trade-only sources I did a bit of hunting on my own, but no joy (although I found out from HighBeam that there's a high-school athlete of the same name who might be notable one day...). My money's on "not yet" for this one - no reason to believe she might not get the requisite coverage in the future, but at present there just isn't enough there to warrant her own article. Might be worth adding what you've got to Da Chen, the article on her husband, until such a time as she gets enough coverage for a separate page. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:07, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Sockpuppet investigation

I noticed you opened up a sockpuppet investigation into User:CowbackCowbert but the Sock investigation page redirects to another sockpuppet investigation with even more socks. Perhaps you can merge the two or something? Smartyllama (talk) 13:35, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Doing it now - the master is Rouoetyjsjabdb. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:36, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Case opened at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rouoetyjsjabdb, if you want to comment. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:41, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I have nothing to add. That guy's previous socks, all of which are now blocked, didn't create articles on non-existent Kardashians AFAIK, but I might have missed them if they got deleted since I don't follow that stuff and can't view deleted contributions. Smartyllama (talk) 13:45, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

At least three of the current batch seem to have taken to Kardashian creation as a new hobby - I'm not sure if it was a pre-exisiting tendency or not, but it's a clear link between, for example, ILikeToLarfYesIDo and UConnJerkwagonIAmNot, both of whom created Klementine Kardashian and Karat Kardashian within a couple of days of one another. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:51, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Most of the old alleged socks edited Ray Reid and related articles at some point or another. However, I think they eventually hid the edits from public view because there were so many of them and they were so bad. They didn't claim Reid was making a movie about a transvestite soccer coach named Moses, by any chance? Because a bunch of the old socks did that. Smartyllama (talk) 15:37, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Astbury

Hi Yunshi

You have deleted the Astbury page, and cited copyright .

You are correct that it is lifted from the Astbury.org page.

I have copyright permission to do that from the author.

Is there something I need to do to remedy any problem?

Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gburlow (talk • contribs) 10:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

I did wonder whether you might be connected with the website... The problem is that the Asbury diary site states quite clearly that content there is subject to permission dependent copyright, and may only be replicated for personal use. In order for Wikipedia to use the text, the site would need to change its terms and conditions to release its content under a CC-BY-SA licence, allowing free reuse and alteration for any purpose (including commercially) with attribution. The author cannot permit use of the text only on Wikipedia; all Wikipedia text must be derived from free sources. You can learn more about this at Donating copyrighted materials. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:34, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Answers CSD 2 Test

Hello Yunshui! I have submitted the second test answers. Please have a look whenever you can find time. Thank you Ghorpaapi (talk) 12:28, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I spotted you doing that, but thought I'd wait until you were finished. I'll check the page over now. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:40, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

lol ! Sometimes I have a feeling that, editing or contributing on wikipedia is similar to have your phone/laptop being stalked by your recent girlfriend :D ! Ghorpaapi (talk) 12:45, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Chicken Cock Whiskey Deletion

Hi,

I wanted to get in touch regarding the deletion of Chicken Cock Whiskey. It was deleted for reason G12, citing an article on MarketWatch.com; however, that article is simply the posting of a press release written by me. The page I drafted contains similar text, also written by me, but reformatted for wikipedia. Please let me know if I can provide additional information to confirm that both texts were written by me.

Thanks, Stefany — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stefanypc (talk • contribs) 13:08, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Stefany. The MarketWatch page seems to indicate that you've signed copyright over to PR Newswire, with all rights reserved - that means the text isn't available in the freely licenced format required by Wikipedia. You can take a look at the instructions on donating copyrighted material, but there are other issues with the text besides the licensing - it's pretty promotional (as befits a company press release) and so would need to be heavily rewritten anyway to comply with Wikipedia's neutrality and advertising policies.

I'd suggest writing the article from scratch, instead - it sounds as though the drink has an interesting history, and if you can provide independent sources (i.e. not you, the company, or its affiliates) that support the information, we could definitely have an article on it. My advice would be to start such an article in a user sandbox or at Articles for creation, so that you can get another editor to check it for you first; I'd be happy to do so, if you'd like. You should also (if you work for the company) read the conflict of interest guidelines and the advice for editors with such a conflict of interest. Hope this helps. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:23, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Coffee !

Thanks for the test and your input for a new wiki contributor. You are a really nice person. Ghorpaapi (talk) 14:57, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

You're more than welcome. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:00, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for assuming good faith. I can assure you that the problem has been dealt with on my end; I don't like seeing Wikipedia disrupted either. – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 21:13, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Image Question

Hello Yunshui. I have a question regarding an image for my group's article page, [Distal spinal muscular atrophy type 1]. We have found an image of the gene involved in the disorder. I was wondering if we could use it on our page? It is from a government website and here is the link to the image: http://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/dynamicImages/chromomap/IGHMBP2.jpeg Please let [8712NeuroBio] and I know if the image is able to be used under Wikipedia's image guidelines and what steps we need to take to properly site the image on our article page. Thank you! Isetem13 (talk) 23:22, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you can use it. As a US government website, NLM content is in the public domain^confirm, so it's perfectly compatible with Wikipedia. To use the image, you will need to download it to your computer and then upload it to Wikimedia Commons; use the Commons Upload Wizard to do this. Follow the step-by-step instructions there, making sure that you select "This file was created by the United States government" when adding the licensing information.

To use it in the article, add this code to the text at the point where you want the picture to appear:

[[name of your file (including "File:" prefix and file extension suffix)|thumb|caption]]

and replace the italicised text appropriately. Let me know if you run into any difficulties. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Gene Yoon

Hi, User:Yunshui, You and User:Deb deleted Gene Yoon at the same time. User:Deb's deletion is wrong. Please restore Gene Yoon which is deleted by User:Deb. Sawol (talk) 10:53, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

What a mess. What I've done, to fix the problem, is to merge the edit histories of both the moved pages. The current version is now the same as the one moved by Deb, but the previous version is now available in the page history, so you can revert or edit the article as you see fit. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:43, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Sawol (talk) 04:08, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Regarding Darkness walks' block

I'm sorry to make you do something you didn't like. I'm sure SAW was a good Wikipedian before he got blocked. Honestly, if he had kept uploading photos, and not been so abusive as I remarked on ANI, I wouldn't have minded. I know I come off as a bit of a pompous douche sometimes when I think I know more than other people, but frankly I'm fine working with such people as long as they don't try to OWN the articles. By the end, it kind of reminded me of that one user whose abuses were what prompted my first interaction with you.

(By the way, I'm fine with people knowing what my past account was, just not with other people bragging about figuring it out and claiming that I am some block-evading sockpuppet who was rejected by the Wikipedia community for being disruptive.)

Cheers!

126.0.96.220 (talk) 13:31, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Not the cleanest reboot ever (I worked out who you were ages ago, even without LittleBenW's "help"), but you ticked all the cleanstart boxes and I don't think any right-thinking editor would regard it as sockpuppetry. Sad about SAW, though; personally I never had the problems with him that other users seem to have done, and I was sad when he originally got blocked; I found him to be a pretty constructive editor. But rule is rules... The silly thing is, I'd have supported an unblock of his original account if he'd only appealed the block properly. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:39, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

I think he still could be. He has ownership issues, and he needs to take things less personally (see Talk:Kiahan (kyahan)), but unlike one or two other people I could mention he doesn't seem to be a complete psychopath. WM already directed him to the guide to appealing blocks. His recent activities (the stuff I brought up in my now-void ANI post) might have set him back a bit, though. Anyway, I hope my being a bit rushed to tie up the loose ends from before I left hasn't made you or any other sane people think less of me. Konjakupoet (talk) 14:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Paroxysmal dyskinesia citing help

Hey there. I'm part of Education Program:Marquette University/Neurobiology (Spring 2013) with MMBiology as my instructor. I was just hoping you could help me with my citing. I have all the sources in the references section. But I want to be able to have a link to the actual article of the citation, and I don't know how to do that. If you could help me out that would be great. Thank you. Our page that we are working on is paroxysmal dyskinesia so you can check out the references there before responding. Thanks again. Daner33 (talk) 03:25, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Daner33. There are a few different ways to do this, depending on the reference, so bear with me. I'll use your third reference (Zhou et al) as an example:

• If the article is available on PubMed, you can cite the whole thing using it's PubMed ID: just add the code {{cite pmid|PMID number}} in place of the citation. In this case, you'd write: <ref name="Zhou">{{cite pmid|3063430}}</ref>. Once you've added this, a bot will fill out the full citation for you within 24hrs, pulling all of the relevant information directly from PubMed. (The same thing can be done with JSTOR numbers ({{cite jstor}}) and digital object identifiers ({{cite doi}}).)
• You can use a different {{cite}} template to fill in the information manually. In this case, it would be {{cite journal}}. You'd need to fill in all of the relevant parameters by hand, so using your current citation as a basis, the code would be: <ref name="Zhou">{{cite journal|last1=Zhou|first1=J|last2=Zhou|first2=L|last3=Fang|first3=Z|last4=Wang|first4=Q|last5=Chen|first5=Z|last6=Yang|first6=L|last7=''et al''|title=Analyzing clinical and electrophysiological characteristics of Paroxysmal Dyskinesia|journale=JRMS|year=2011|volume=16|issue=1||url=http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC3063430/|pages=110–114}}</ref>.
• Hand-populating a complex template seems too much like hard work? Do it the easy way. When you edit a page, just above the edit window you'll see a series of drop-down menus (Advanced, Special characters, Help, Cite) - choose Cite, then select "cite journal" from the Templates menu that appears. A new window will open; fill in the parameters and the software will create and populate a citation template for you.
• Although it's not as ideal an option as the preceding two, you can also just link the URL in the citation directly, like this: <ref name="Zhou">Zhou J, Zhou L, Fang Z, Wang Q, Chen Z, Yang L, et al. [http://europepmc.org/articles/PMC3063430/ Analyzing clinical and electrophysiological characteristics of Paroxysmal Dyskinesia]. JRMS. 2011;16(1):110–114.</ref>. Citation templates are generally preferred, however.

I hope that helps a bit; do feel free to ask me to explain anything that isn't clear enough. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:20, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

pyrat

Hi! I was creating again the site Pyrat (without copyright problmes and I had kind of problem so I couldn't do it.. because the site stayed without content, now it was deleted by yout petition... I want to submit the content again but I can't.. how can I do it? should I talk you?

thanks!

--Matoges (talk) 13:02, 25 April 2013 (UTC)matoges

I deleted the page because you had blanked it by removing all the content; that's taken as an indication that you would like it to be deleted (see: Speedy deletion criterion G7). However, even if you had not done so it would still have removed, since it was a clear copyright violation of this webpage (see: Speedy deletion criterion G12 and the Copyright violations policy). In addition, the article made no claim to significance or notability, meaning that it could also have been deleted as non-notable (see: Basic notability requirements). In short, there are a number of reasons that we can't host such content on Wikipedia.

If you would still like to submit an article on Pyrat, you will need to address these issues by doing the following:

• Write about the software in your own words.
• Support everything you write with references to independent sources (i.e. not affiliated with Pyrat or Scionics).

You may wish to start by creating a userspace draft, rather than adding your article directly to mainspace - if you work on a draft version, you are less likely to see your work deleted out of hand, and you can ask other users to review it before it goes "live". However, the copyright rules still apply to such drafts - if you copy material to Wikipedia again, you are likely to be blocked from editing. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:15, 25 April 2013 (UTC)