User talk:Thatcher

Puppet theater

Hi, Thatcher.
Here're two possible sockpuppets of PaxEquilibrium (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki).
I've never had problems with these accounts, by few things drew my attention, that makes me believe that they might be his sockpuppets:
- interest area (Montenegro, History of Montenegro)
- very short edit period - this is the feature of SPA's and sleeper accounts
- because of limitation of checkuser tools, it'd good to see if they are sleepers
- these accounts had communication with PaxEquilibrium (and Pax with them)

• Petar Montenegrin (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

6 edits, 4 on 30 June 2008 (2 times on the talkpage of PaxEquilibrium [1] and [2]) and 2 on 10 July 2008 Here he refers to Pax's opponent [3] and In fact, Petar Montenegrin appears here as the opponent to Pax [4] (Pax Equilibrium uporno širi prosrpsku propagandu, "Pax persistently spreads pro-Serbian propaganda"), as the one that disagrees with Pax. Was that done with the purpose of confusing the others? Out of 6 edits, he already found Pax?

• Perjanik (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Even here. Pax talks with him on his talkpage (puppetmasters often do that: talk between puppet and master). Here [5] appears favourite Pax's idea, "fully incorporated into a [[History of Serbia|unified Serbian realm]], the newly acquired [[Serbia]]n land, then called Zeta" (saying for Montenegro as "Serbian land")".
I don't want to etiquette these two accounts, I just want to remove any suspicion. Thanks for the attention, Kubura (talk) 14:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• I am Mario (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

...could be his puppet too. Pax was obssessed with one shaky reinterpretation of historical source De Administrando Imperio, which he used to conquer the articles like Pagania. It appeared that Pax puppets were talking to each other, in this case Pax said "wellcome" to User talk:I am Mario 45 minutes after his 1st appearance. An anon contributing (User:Adam Bishop asked him in the talk page: are you Mario?) to DAI article transformed to User:I am Mario. Pax did distinguish himself from this anon [6], in the same way as he did it elsewhere too, like here [7], as you can see he criticized his own sock edits. While his socks were wild and extreme POV pushers, Pax as master had image of an objective contributor. This account was created in May, there's possibility that Pax created it to support his claims in Pagania article, where he was opposing consensus reached by other users involved, as well as prolong an earlier anon actions in De Administrando Imperio. See Talk:De Administrando Imperio. Can you check User:I am Mario please. Zenanarh (talk) 07:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Excuse me if I bother you, but I do believe this is Pax, User:I am Mario's, User:Pasha011's and User:Progwa's edit dates are overlapping: 24/25 August, 1 Sept, 6 Sept. I'd really apreciate if you check this user, I'm not ghost hunter, just don't want to waste my time with some octopus. Thanks. Zenanarh (talk) 01:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

• Progwa (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

You confirmed Pasha011 to be a sock of Pax, User:Progwa prolongs his game there [8]. Zenanarh (talk) 01:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Socking

Could you take a look at this for me? New socks appear every hour or so at Great Britain at the Olympics at the min.Traditional unionist (talk) 15:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

• Most of those are the same person but it's a dynamic range and a range block wouldn't really work. Thatcher 23:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

New sockfarm

Could you please check the IP for User:Hurricane Gustav, which seems to have created numerous Jarlaxle/Grawp socks on several different days. Thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) 12:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

• Also User:Arisen from the Dead et al. Thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) 13:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

pgbb

I was about to indef block this user myself. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:54, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

• Seven or ten socks created on hotel IP addresses. All were already blocked days ago except that one; I guessed someone missed it. Thatcher 18:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Yuck. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:32, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Nocturnalsleeper

This refers. What is FT2 up to now. I am checking out NS's edits but they seem great to me, and an editor we should definitely try to keep. User:Burrburr has a massive socklist, but these seem to be harmless (I am checking out now). What is the history on that one, please? Peter Damian (talk) 18:22, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

OK I see this also refers. Who cares. He is doing good work. Peter Damian (talk) 18:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

• I looked very briefly at the checkuser evidence on Nocturnalsleeper and found that he has been using multiple accounts, and using them to edit the same articles. He is technically unrelated to Burrburr (but maybe he just changed ISPs) but the behavior pattern is the same; lots of socks making apparently good edits. Now that someone has objected to Nocturnalsleeper and we have discovered the socks, we can't really pretend nothing is happening. As long as he has not been making disruptive or bad faith edits, I would support allowing him to continue to edit from a single account (and blocking all the others). Perhaps you could talk to him? But I can not support allowing him to use multiple overlapping accounts on the same articles, even if the content of the edits is good. Thatcher 18:46, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
  • OK that's very sound. I wil try. I hate socks, as you know, but I also like good editors. Love them. Thanks. Peter Damian (talk) 18:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
  • On this well the guy clearly is a sockpuppet. And a plagiarist. Peter Damian (talk)
    • I haven't looked into the matter other than to note the account has been inactive for 30+ months. If it ever returns to active editing, I would be willing to look into the matter. Thatcher 22:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
      • By the way, on checking my notes I find that Burrburr had used two different ISPs, and Nocturnalsleeper is a match for one of them, so it is very likely that Nocturnalsleeper is in fact Burrburr. Thatcher 00:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
        • Reply at the Review and my talk. Also, sorry but I can't resist quoting Kelly Martin. You have just equated the Hong Kong University Skeptics Club with an organization that supports pederasty. Peter Damian (talk) 17:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

GG - new SSP case

Hi Thatcher, I'm normally a bit sceptical about the GG false alarms we've had, but a small group of users has turned up that I would be most grateful if you could have a close look at whenever you have a few minutes. See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Giovanni Giove (6th). Many thanks in advance, AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 00:04, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: Allegations

No problem. I was actually involved in trying to keep things calm, and apparently thats out of style now.--Tznkai (talk)

Checkuser request

Hi, I was wondering if you could do a check on Thewikiqediarollbacker (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki), as he is a new user, yet knows about rollback and arbcom, as you can see from his edits(I didn't bother linking the diffs as he only has 4. I know this isn't much evidence, but things just don't line up. Thank you for your time.— Dædαlus ^Contribs /_Improve 07:39, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Really going now

Nothing to do with that particular incident, just the whole thing. Thanks - I believe you were one of the good ones, but it is all too much. Scrambling password now. Peter Damian (talk) 20:57, 6 September 2008 (UTC)