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From me added links in ´See also´ deleted

Hi. I added some direct relating links in ´See also´ of Vitamin B12: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vitamin_B12&curid=14538619&diff=1016679908&oldid=1016660194
Now they have been removed: " →‎See also: removed not useful additions Tag: Manual revert".
I am going to message as ´Vandalism´. But just do not know how. Or perhaps there is a better way.
Thanks for reading and interesst.
--Visionhelp (talk) 10:40, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Visionhelp. Please read WP:VANDNOT because the removal of those links wouldn’t be considered vandalism. The editor who removed the links is actually quite experienced and is also a Teahouse host. So, I’m sure David notMD will be happy to clarify why he felt the links didn’t meet WP:SEEALSO. — Marchjuly (talk) 10:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Marchjuly. Thanks. He will be happy, but will not help it. He has his very own opinion, what wikipedia is for and what not, for example: sources of other encyclopedies not wanted. (Wikipedia one rule is Sources. Sources of other encyclopedies closing off so can not be a rule of wikipedia, but he does saying. In a talk between us.)

Sadnessly, this way, not even a talk can happen for my understatement.
(Deleting links of ´Sees also´s not vandalism ? Hm.
And being able to delete and say and decline "not useful additions", he absolutly alone decides, what is useful" ?

--Visionhelp (talk) 11:28, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

Visionhelp I have no power to 'decide' (I am an editor, not an Administrator). The standard path for having an edit reverted is to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article, invite the editor who reverted the changes, and see if the two and other interested editors can reach a consensus. I stand by my decision to remove what I consider not-useful 'See also" additions. Be aware that edits in good faith can be debated, but are not to be tagged as vandalism. David notMD (talk) 16:46, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

In looking back at my contributions, I see that you and I have already had discussions at Talk pages of B12 and other articles about what are valid "See also." I have added more comments. We can continue there. David notMD (talk) 17:03, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

You can also return here to Teahouse to get other opinions on this issue. David notMD (talk) 00:55, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

A lable ´not useful´ is deciding and determining, WHAT is useful and what not. You did mention, it was already linked in the article. (But now are more links removed.)
A precept of ´useful´ is a guideline, where You determine, what is useful. With this You determine with the sound of a talk. Alreday there I am out. Who determines the sound, determines the content.
´Finding´ as rule, links which have been mentioned in an article not to link in ´See also´s also works already absolutly against my conviction, links for overview and connection and relations at an own place as ´See also´.
But revoming links, which have not been mentioned in an article to remove: I only can call vandalism, sorry. But writing in an article has its already very own rules at wikipedia. And this is now my really last edit in any article, but my own, and this (one) also is being stopped, but OK.
This for me it is not a way to work with fun and sense. But this is my way, how I can and want and may work. Sorry.
Quote "We can continue there": I did. (Oh sorry. I did here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Diatomaceous_earth#%C2%B4See_also%C2%B4:_the_my_note_and_link_to_Silica_got_removed)
--Visionhelp (talk) 13:00, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

This to mention still to this rule:
The only alternative to this rule is, to not link in the texts, for to may link it at the ´See also´.
A one wants (likes) to use the link already mentioned in the texts, an other first in an overview of ´See also´s.
Why does wikipedia not like to let this freedom of both, both justified: different needs and different expectations ?
Sorry: a ´See also´ with not the links, which are linked already in the texts.
And such a rule first may find, when having to find it happend, been deleted links in ´See also´.
Such a rule has to be noted at ´See also´ near ´Edit´ as ´Rule´ (to ´See also´).
That such a rule at all exists, only already for how to use a text and links and ´See also´ at wikipedia, for a reader, not just only for (Writers) Editors.
--Visionhelp (talk) 04:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I need help with Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement

There is a problem. In the article, List of Starship flights, a dispute resolution request outcome has to be enforced. I don't have an account and don't desire to make one. I want to send a request to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. Can someone do it for me? 64.121.103.144 (talk) 17:52, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

The dispute resolution has already been closed. MEisSCAMMER^{(talk)(contribs)} 17:55, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

I mean I need help enforcing the outcome of it. See note.

64.121.103.144 (talk) 18:17, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

This post illustrates an occasional problem in Wikipedia, and that is an editor stating that they need help enforcing the outcome of a dispute resolution, but there wasn't an enforceable outcome. Sometimes a dispute at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard is closed without action, but the filing editor tries to claim that it was decided in their favor. (Besides, DRN is voluntary, and very seldom makes a binding decision other than by starting an RFC, and in that case it is the RFC that is the binding process.) In this case, two DRN cases were closed without action. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

User:64.121.103.144, since you are about to come off block, I don't know whether you actually think that a dispute was resolved in your favor or whether you know that a dispute was dismissed and there is nothing to enforce, but you are both wasting your time and misinforming the community in saying that you want help enforcing a dispute. DRN doesn't work like that, and your dispute was dismissed for various reasons. Spreading misinformation will get you another block. There is no valid reason not to register an account unless you have an account that has also already been blocked (and you are acting like a block-evading sockpuppet). Robert McClenon (talk) 04:42, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Images uploaded under 'own work'

Theoretically speaking, suppose I suspected someone of being a WP:UPE but didn't have any ironclad evidence to move this forward with a report, but the suspect had a number of images for a variety of musicians and performers uploaded under 'own work'. What would be the proper approach going forward in terms of flagging said images? Or would it be uncustomary to flag them as erroneously marked as 'own work' based solely on a hunch? Thank you in advance! nearlyevil665 14:36, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Nearlyevil665: That person could go to a lot of events relating to that musician, so maybe they took them themselves? Examples: concerts, fansigns, etc. ~Wizdzy 15:07, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Some of the photos uploaded are blatant professional photoshoots. nearlyevil665 15:17, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Maybe the photographer is a professional? I wouldn't hold that against him or her. I suggest you look a their Talk Page on Commons to see if comments have been made there about the images. To go further, you will have to name names. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:29, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

The descriptions read nothing but "Uploaded own work with UploadWizard". Am I allowed to post the user's Commons page here? I know the rules are pretty straightforward about making accusations without any proof so I want to confirm I wouldn't be crossing that line. nearlyevil665 17:09, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

It should be fine to post for the purposes of asking for a second opinion, nearlyevil665. When I've encountered similar situations in the past, I've found it helpful to use a reverse image search tool to find out if the images have been posted elsewhere. Sometimes I've found that this reveals they were taken by different photographers, meaning that while the uploader could have taken one of them, they couldn't have taken them all. But if you post a link I'm happy to help investigate. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:44, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the initiative. Here is the link. nearlyevil665 07:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, a reverse image search didn't throw anything up here for the photos, nearlyevil665. However, the user has also uploaded several corporate logos with CC licenses, which seems to be an incorrect use of those licenses if nothing else. Have you also seen Commons:Commons:Deletion requests/Files uploaded by Geezygee? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:15, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

No, I haven't, Cordless Larry. I'm quite active over at AfDs and NPP but am completely oblivious when it comes to images. I wouldn't really look into it that much but I had a hunch the author could be an UPE and the fact that a reverse image search doesn't show much only raises more red flags. How would you advise to proceed on this? nearlyevil665 08:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm just going to add that there's not much anyone here at the Teahouse can do about images uploaded to Commons. Commons has it's own policies and guidelines and own administrators which means that any issues you might have with a Commons image are going to be need to be resolved there. As for concerns about UPE, be very careful about posting anything anywhere on Wikipedia that might be considered WP:OUTING. Instead you should probably follow the instructions at WP:PAID#Reporting undisclosed paid editors and use email to let others know about your concerns. Please understand though that Commons seems to have a completely different take on COI editing and PAID editing and it actually seems to welcome all content as long as it can be verified to have been released or uploaded by its copyright holders under a license that Commons accepts. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm aware about WP:OUTING and that is why I asked twice here for confirmation about even linking to the Wikipedia user for a secondary opinion. I don't hold any off-wiki evidence of UPE, it was more of a hunch based on the behavior of the user + suspicious professional photoshoots not found elsewhere on the web. nearlyevil665 08:30, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Creating a Page

 Courtesy link: Draft:Masande Ntshanga TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:00, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

On average, how long can I expect to wait before I have my draft reviewed? Mdlsee (talk) 16:21, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

First you need to create a draft and then submit it and wait for at max 4 months. Was an explorer (talk) 19:31, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

It can be maximum 2 or 3 days. EditJuice (talk) 16:41, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@EditJuice: That is highly unlikely, unless the draft has obvious problems such that it can be almost immediately declined. @Mdlsee: There are over 5,500 drafts in the backlog, so it can take around 4 months. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:50, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Oh, sorry. I wanted to say that. EditJuice (talk) 16:52, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@EditJuice: I'm curious as to what your need for a speedy review is, as Wikipedia has no deadlines. Is it related to the conflict of interest that you declared? 331dot (talk) 16:53, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Wikipedia has no deadlines. EditJuice (talk) 16:58, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@EditJuice: To be frank, Wikipedia is not concerned with any deadlines you are under or what you have been tasked with doing. Are you declining to answer my question? 331dot (talk) 17:02, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

I guess I'm declining to answer your question... EditJuice (talk) 17:04, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@331dot: I think you're talking to the wrong person. Mdlsee is the one who asked "how long can I expect to wait before I have my draft reviewed?" and EditJuice just replied to that question. Kleinpecan (talk) 17:31, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, that's indeed what I did. 331dot (talk) 18:48, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Mdlsee To answer your question, the backlog of drafts is not a queue. Reviewers pick what they want to review. Can be days, weeks, or (sadly) months. David notMD (talk) 21:17, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@EditJuice: @331dot: I just wanted to confirm the 4 months timeline. I want to understand how Wikipedia works.

Mdlsee, if you're keen to see the draft reviewed soon, you can help by greatly reducing the number of references. In particular, remove all those which are to press releases, to content written by the subject, and to interviews with the subject. Wikipedia in not interested in anything a subject says about himself. 49 references, many of them doing nothing to help establish that the subject is notable, is a lot to expect a reviewer to wade through, and the long list may induce a reviewer to ignore this draft and move on to something easier.Maproom (talk) 22:32, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

@Maproom: Thank you, but I'm okay. There was a user before you who advised raising the number of sources and that's what I chose to do. I'd rather be thorough and I'm okay with waiting.

@Mdlsee, Having gone through your talkpage & the comment left on the draft I don’t see anyone expressly asking you to increase the number of references. More references are of no value, when it comes to sourcing, the quality of the sources are what counts. Three good reliable sources are enough to prove or substantiate notability. Anyway if you want the article to be reviewed as soon as can be I am happy to review it for you albeit I doubt you’d be happy with the outcome. I’d like to know, in what capacity do you have a conflict of interest with your article's subject? Do you merely know them too well that it would constitute a COI or are you being compensated for creating the article, which exactly is it? Celestina007 (talk) 00:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Mdlsee,  Done, I’m dazed myself that the article surprisingly met our notability threshold, I was more than ready to decline this but having observed the sources used in the article, and their awards won i had a change of heart. I take it that you heeded the advice of Theroadislong and substantiated the awards won via RS. In any case, I have proceeded to accept the article. congratulations. Celestina007 (talk) 00:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Is this a good source?

Moved to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § Is this a good source?

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 Marista28112000 (talk) 20:04, 10 April 2021 (

Lost Article

Few days ago, I saw an article about Malliyoor Sree Sankaran Namboothiri. But I can't find the article now. What happened to that article? 27.59.224.151 (talk) 02:09, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Malliyoor Sankaran Namboothiri was deleted 1 April as created by a banned user. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

PrimeHunter, is there is any way to get the history or Deletion details or something like that?

Okay 27.59.224.151 (talk) 02:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Most likely not, though, if the article was itself useable, you might be able to ask Drmies if he can prodive you the text (hard with unregistered editors - IP's can change) or restore it to draft. Be advised that it is often better to create a new article, because, in my personal experience, suffer from all sorts of problems, depending on the banned individual. Victor Schmidt (talk) 06:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Victor Schmidt, you are right about "problems"--it was a pretty bad article, with only one decent source in it, and that an obituary (which are not known for being very neutral). I don't mind restoring it (well, recreating it) as a severely abbreviated stub, though. Drmies (talk) 20:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

How is Wikipedia not a reliable source for articles?

It is kind of self defeating if Wikipedia does not consider itself a reliable source... 747pilot (talk) 03:43, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

One reason is to minimize the risk of the woozle effect. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:49, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

See also: citogenesis. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:50, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

The vast majority of Wikipedia articles are unprotected and can be edited, and therefore vandalized, at any time. There is no official final authorized version of any article. Anti-vandalism bots and human Wikipedia editors do our best to revert vandalism, but there is always the possibility that an article could be in a vandalized state when you read it. If you want to read reliable sources about a topic, take a look at the reference list at the end of an article. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:21, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

WP:RSPWP. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Dutch cricket team in South Africa in 2021-22

I can't understand why this article was moved to draft by Lugnuts. He explained the reason as nothing has been confirmed. But nothing has also been confirmed about this tour - Pakistani cricket team in Bangladesh in 2021-22. But there is already an article about that. Besides, the article which I created was also curated and was found no problem earlier.If the tour was scheduled to take place in next year or later then, it would be WP:TOOSOON. But, September is not too far, only 5 months away. I wanted help by leaving a message on the page mover's talk page. But he neglected my request by deleting my message and saying at edit summary that he took four attempts but couldn't make me right. I just wonder, What's this. Is Wikipedia a place for biting the newcomers. Please anybody help me about this. A.A Prinon (talk) 04:06, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi A.A Prinon. Just because another similar article exists, doesn't necessarily mean it should exist. Moreover, whether five months is WP:TOOSOON or not might depend on whether there is significant coverage of the upcoming or scheduled event that is already discussing it and that can be cited in the article. I'm not very familiar with articles about cricket, but in general if the article is going to be nothing but a list of results or a single sentence simply stating something is scheduled, then it might be best to simply wait until the tour has actually taken place so that there's something actually worth adding to the article before creating it. You might try asking about this at WT:CRICKET because may one of that WikiProjects members can help found some more encyclopdic content that can be reliably sourced to add to the article (e.g. the background of the tour, any controversies associated with it) which would make creating an article about it right now seem not TOOSOON. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:16, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Marchjuly. If my article is WP:TOOSOON and moved to draft then why this can't be - Pakistani cricket team in Bangladesh in 2021-22. This article was published on 1st of January and 9 months were left for the tour being happened when the article was create. On the other hand, the tour about which I created is 5 months away. But why my one is WP:TOOSOON and that one is not. My article is also a stub and that one is also. So, I can't yet understand why it was moved to draft. Please reply. A.A Prinon (talk) 05:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

As I posted above, WP:OSE is not really a valid way to try and argue that an article should be kept because it's possible that the other articles you're citing as reference probably shoudn't exist as well. All editors are WP:VOLUNTEERs and with over six million articles already created and more being added each day, there are things that slip through the cracks and go unnoticed even for years. Have you tried to discuss at WT:CRICKET since that's where you're going to find editors familiar with cricket articles? Please understand I'm not saying you're completely wrong in this case, only that I don't know enough about cricket tour articles to give you a more specific answer and explain why someone felt Pakistani cricket team in Bangladesh in 2021–22 is OK but Draft:Dutch cricket team in South Africa in 2021–22 isn't since they look practically identical to me except for one of the sources cited. Asking people who know about cricket might help clarify what the difference between the two is. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:33, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Marchjuly, Thanks for replying and hope you stay safe. A.A Prinon (talk) 09:37, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello sir, I'm new here, I think you deleted one of my cited sources in an article

 Courtesy link: Judiciary of California

I'm wondering what was wrong with the link I made to the California state constitution official site, It is actually used by a lot of the other links, mine was a link to a specific article. If this is an inappropriate link for an encyclopedia then I would like to know why. Thank you. SuprPuzishin (talk) 04:30, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@SuprPuzishin: your edit was fine, link additions from new users attract some scrutiny (as many are spam). I've re-instated your edits. Elli (talk | contribs) 05:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

One thing though: generally, don't use external links in the main text of the article - only in citations. Elli (talk | contribs) 05:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Waiting and waiting for approval

I submitted a draft a while ago and I’ve made changes where necessary as one of the references wasn’t trustworthy.

I think it’s waiting for approval but seems to be stuck in drafts still and it’s been 4 months now.

Could you tell me what I need to redo to submit?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Clip-On_Veneers 79.66.226.78 (talk) 06:12, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

First of all, if you are Dwhkabsl: Please Log in. Draft:Clip-On_Veneers hasn't been submitted for review. I will shortly add the appropiate informationt o allow you to do so. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:25, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Sorry if I’ve done this wrong - it’s my first time using the tearoom. I’m logged in and ready for more information, thank you! (~~)

@Dwhkabsl: Note that the template that was added to Draft:Clip-On Veneers did not submit it for review – it allows you to do so, if you want to. You should be aware that the draft is not ready to be an article, though. It reads like an advert, and at least two of the sources do not meet Wikipedia's requirements. It also addresses the reader directly and contains advice ("... it is recommended that you..." and similar phrasing). Even more importantly, it contains medical claims that are not sourced (for instance "Unlike traditional procedures, there are no negative effects on the existing teeth". It is very easy to find sources that contradict this, for instance this, which also would not be useful as a source in the article, but it confirms that the claims the article makes now are almost certainly incorrect). For any kind of medical claim in Wikipedia, the requirements for reliable sources is particularly strict – more information here. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:42, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Creating a bot

Hello. How can I create a bot? I need a bot for archiving my talk page every week. EditJuice (talk) 06:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@EditJuice: Hello, and Welcome to the Teahouse. Before you try to create a bot, please be advised that there are already existing bots that can archive talk pages. See Help:Archiving_a_talk_page#Choosing_a_bot._Table_comparing_the_2_main_bots for more info. Victor Schmidt (talk) 07:23, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

But how can I choose one of them? EditJuice (talk) 07:31, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@EditJuice: I suggest lowercase sigmabot III for a user talk page. Every week is very frequent. I suggest 30 to 90 days unless your talk page has huge activity. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I don't want it to be 30 to 90 days. I think it can be every week... EditJuice (talk) 16:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

EditJuice, IMO weekly is a bad idea. But that's your call. S Philbrick(Talk) 22:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

OK. EditJuice (talk) 09:45, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Help me with my new page

Hey there! Hope you are you doing good! I'm new to the Wikipedia and I am trying to create a page of a TV Show. I have filled most of the details but I needed help To create a content table like they made it with the details For e.g. Directed by, produced by, Poster, run time, etc. on the right side of the page. How do I create that box? I tried but couldn't do it so it would be great if somebody could help.

This is the link of my page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jainvighnesh/sandbox

Regards, Vighnesh. Jainvighnesh (talk) 10:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Jainvighnesh: Hello and Welcome to the Teahouse. That box is called an Infobox. In your case, the most appropiate one is probbably {{Infobox television}}. Template:Infobox_television#Usage has some code you can copy. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

And While we are at it, User:Jainvighnesh/sandbox would benefit from some sources. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jainvighnesh, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia. I'm delighted by your enthusiasm, but I'm afraid that your post is a bit like saying "Hello, I'm new to building, and I'm trying to build a house. I've propped up some walls like I've seen in other houses, and I want to know how to put that thing on top, I think you call it the roof". Unless you learn a bit about building before you try, you are likely to have a frustrating time. In particular, what you haven't done is to survey the ground first, and check that it's fit to build on: in Wikipedia's terms, you haven't looked for the independent, reliably published sources about the subject, without which it will not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and your house will fall down (draft get deleted). In the same way that nobody who knows anything about building would try to build a house without surveying the ground first, nobody who knows about writing Wikipedia articles would write so much as a single word of an article before looking for the sources; because in both cases they know that if the ground is not suitable, any work they put in is likely to be wasted. I suggest you leave your draft for a few months, while you find some existing articles that interest you and that you can contribute to in small ways while you learn how Wikipedia works. --ColinFine (talk) 12:47, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Help with case of sockpuppetry

Recently, I've been reverting vandalism on the page Bob Cicherillo, mainly involving a bunch of IP addresses from the same country trying to change the the subject's last name without providing sources. I believe this is obviously sockpuppetry, and I know that there are steps to report such incidents (and I'm also familiar with WP:BOLD), but what with there being more than five separate IP addresses and me being a relatively inexperienced editor, I'm a bit lost. Is it possible for someone to step in here? HeyArtemis (talk) 13:01, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello HeyArtemis. As a first step, and because there are multiple addresses making similar sorts of disruptive edits, I have semi-protected the article for 7 days. Please check and ensure the article is in the best state, and make any corrections to it. There are two things you could do if this occurs again. Firstly, make sure after you've reverted any editor that you leave them a warning notice, rising to 4th level, after which an individual editor can be blocked. If you enable WP:TWINKLE in your preferences, you'll find it a quick and easy process to leave templated warning messages, relevant to different types of editing behaviour (ranging from edits unsupported by sources, BLP violations, vandalism and spam etc). Secondly, where there are multiple editors disrupting a page , as you've experienced here, it can be best to ensure the page itself is protected from new account holders. So you can do this by reporting it at WP:RFPP. Hoping this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes: That was very helpful, thank you! HeyArtemis (talk) 14:18, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

My new Draft???

Hey everyone, I have created a draft @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Flowersoftheblue/sandbox

I want to add a LOGO, but what should be the licensing?

Also, does it really take 5 months to get it reviewed?

Thank you! Flowersoftheblue (talk) 13:28, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Flowersoftheblue. It may take five minutes or five months: it depends on whether a reviewer decides to pick it up sooner or later. That's the nature of a volunteer project. As for Logos: nearly all logos are uploaded as non-free materials, and so may not be used in drafts, but only in articles. --ColinFine (talk) 13:35, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Flowersoftheblue WRONG NAME! That's my username. Not my page's name. How to correct this??? I didn't change it.

Hello Flowersoftheblue (I assume that was you). Normally, adjusting a page title requires a page move. However, in the case of Draft:Flowersoftheblue I wouldn't worry about that right now: The reviewer will take care of that when accepting the draft. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Rowspan and Colspan

FYI

 – Heading added by Tenryuu.

What’s the difference between colspan and rowspan? Superman011 (talk) 13:41, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Superman011: Rowspan makes a cell span over multiple rows and colspan makes a cell span across multiple columns. Please use the "New section" link at the top or the Ask a question button if you have a new question. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:49, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Superman011. See more at Help:Table#Combined use of COLSPAN and ROWSPAN. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:30, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Widsith: long poem or short?

Hi there, I've been wondering how Widsith should properly be marked up. If it's a long poem, like Beowulf, then it is italicized, but if it's short, then it only takes quotation marks, right? Is there a general consensus on this question? The Widsith page itself doesn't seem of much help as it includes a mix of italicized and non-italicized mentions of the name. Thanks! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 13:55, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Maybe someone else can point you to an Official Decision on the matter, but at 143 lines it's shorter than "A Lover's Complaint", and the latter's title is formatted with quotation marks rather than italics. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 14:42, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: Forgot to ping, why do I always remember after posting a reply... Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 15:24, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Revirvlkodlaku: A rule of thumb that I was taught a long time ago is that a poem's title should be italicized only if the poem is often published (or was originally published) by itself as a book (like, for instance, The Song of Hiawatha or Evangeline). So "Widsith" by that rule would be enclosed in quotation marks rather than italicized. Deor (talk) 15:49, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you both for your input, it is much appreciated! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 18:21, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Article

Somebody please have a look at Majiziya Bhanu. The achievements mentioned there have no references. Many fault statements are there. Please have a watch. ♠Devan Lallu ^Talk 14:17, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Devan Lallu. I encourage you to be WP:BOLD and edit the article on your own. What you can do is look for the sources that would back the statements provided, or remove the statements that look dubious per WP:BLP. There are also a couple of projects that deal with article improvement such asWP:FACT or WP:GUILD, you can post a request there. Happy editing and thank you for your contributions. Less Unless (talk) 15:25, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism

So how do you know if an edit is vandalism? Superman011 (talk) 14:52, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Superman011 and welcome to Wikipedia. Generally vandalism is something disruptive or malicious, but also inappropriate addition, removal or modification of texts, humor or hoaxes. Anything that is not aimed at constructive improvement can be considered vandalism. If you want to learn more, please take a look here Vandalism on Wikipedia and WP:VANDAL. Best, Less Unless (talk) 15:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Superman011: Adding on to that, a lot of the time it is pretty clear when an edit is vandalism. For example, vandals commonly insert obscenities, add racist/homophobic/sexist "information", or blank parts or all of the page. Sometimes vandalism can be a lot more subtle and you should always watch out for that, but a lot of the time it is pretty clear. bop34 • talk • contribs 15:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Not as common, but deletions can be vandalism. However, sometimes editors remove text and the references that supported it because they believe that content did not belong in the article. What is written in Edit summaries can help determine intent. David notMD (talk) 16:35, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

It's important to understand that vandalism is largely determined by the INTENT of the editor; vandalism is a DELIBERATE intent to defeat or obstruct the purpose of this encyclopedia. A poor edit which introduces incorrect information, invalid markup, POV content or incomprehensible language is not vandalism if it was done with the intention of improving the encyclopedia, however misguided or incompetent the result is. See WP:VANDNOT for important details on this point. Be careful that you are sure you understand the intention of the editor before calling an edit "vandalism". CodeTalker (talk) 17:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

It's vandalism if it adds new information without consensus. 91.142.213.109 (talk) 17:36, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

No it is not. That's bold editing and is encouraged. Of course if the edit is challenged then the bold, revert, discuss cycle should begin. But even then it is not vandalism if the INTENT of the edit was to improve the encyclopedia. CodeTalker (talk) 17:46, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Superman011 . I know there's already quite a bit of content above, but I have a different take (and also there's both correct and seemingly incorrect advice above, or at least that in my view could easily be interpreted to come to an erroneous conclusion). As CodeTalker explained, it is about bad faith, which requires an assessment of intent (it is thus incorrect that, as implied in some of the content above, merely inappropriate additions are per se vandalism ). The way you "know" if an edit is vandalism is to ask this question as a test, and come to a negative response: Could the edit involved (even if inappropriate for a wealth of reasons) have been reasonably made in good faith? Only if "no" is it vandalism.

So "fart" inserted in the middle of a sentence is on-its-face vandalism, because we we can glean bad faith to a high degree of certainty from the edit itself. Situational context is important though. If a user makes an edit that is clearly defined as inappropriate under policy/guideline apparent, but is not of a type where bad faith is apparent from the edit itself and it is either: the first instance of making that edit, or the user has never been warned, it cannot be assessed as vandalism (and so don't use rollback, nor call it "vandalism). However, that same edit, after the user has been clearly informed of the inappropriateness of such edits, is transformed into vandalism, because apparent bad faith is involved. As part of that logic stream, we do make the radical assumption that talk page warnings are read, even if that conceit is untrue a fair amount of the time. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I find it extremely difficult to edit or create a Wiki page

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Hott I know Johnny Hott very well, we have played together almost forty years. Does that make me not able to edit his wiki page? I have lots of information of value, plus photos, to make the page great. Things that I have witnessed personally. I could not figure out how to edit, where is the edit button? Why is it so complicated? I only have so much time to fool with this. But I will keep trying, and it's not only Johnny's page, but many others I can make valuable contributions to. Do I need to pay an expert to make the changes? The guide to making the changes is confusing. At least I could upload a photo of Johnny, but it looks that is being rejected for "Conflict of Interest"? How can an authentic photography of Johnny Hott be a conflict of interest? Thanks Brooke Saunders Richmond, VA Brookesaunders (talk) 15:58, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Aaaaaaaah, hope this helps: Your knowing Johnny Hott personally makes you potentially a source of good information, but Wikipedia puts a (surmountable) barrier between you and editing the article directly. Conflict of interest (see WP:COI) calls for you to declare a COI on your User page, and to restrict your efforts to making suggested article changes on the Talk page of the JH article. What you know cannot be used at all, as that is considered "original research." Only what has been published and can therefore be referenced. It's a true-and-verify thing. On the Talk page, start a new section (top menu), give it a title, an in the section, be specific on changes you propose. A non-involved editor will act to either implement or deny.

In general answer to how to edit, each article as a whole has an Edit option on the top menu, and edit for each section (but you shouldn't, for reasons given above).

As to the photo you added, the description clearly states that you are not the photographer. With certain exceptions, only the photographer can add a photo. David notMD (talk) 16:45, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello Brookesaunders. Just wanted to add a link to a guideline on creating a request - WP:COIREQ. Also I feel sorry you find it difficult to edit Wikipedia. This tutorial H:EDIT helped me personally, I hope it will be of good use for you - there are also videos which I find especially helpful.

As for the photos - you can upload any amount of photos to Wikimedia Commons (that is an image-related project of Wikipedia) if you are the author and willing to post it for free use. If you don't own the copyright for the photos, unfortunatelly you can't add them.

Best, Less Unless (talk) 16:57, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

(ec) Brookesaunders WP and Commons are very strict concerning copyright. When you say that something is own work, on these websites that means that you took the picture with your camera. If you have pics you have taken, and not published elsewhere already, you are welcome to upload them on Commons, other pics will be deleted sooner or later.

Yes, WP is difficult in parts, but it's possible to get the hang of it. Adding references is an essential skill, see WP:TUTORIAL. If you can't ref it, don't add it. Apart from WP:COI, also take the time to read WP:BLP. And keep asking questions as they occur. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

• Brookesaunders Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you've had difficulty. Aside from the other advice given here, I wanted to say that the purpose of a Wikipedia article is to summarize what publicly available, published, independent reliable sources say about article subjects. It is not a place for people to share their personal knowledge, as we have no way to verify what your personal knowledge is. If you have independent sources that chose on their own to write about your personal knowledge, that would be something we could add, because readers could verify that information. 331dot (talk) 17:32, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Starting a page, but with an issue.

So, let's say I wanted to start a page on something, however, there is no media coverage of it or any other notable documentation besides the person who created it. What do I do then? 

I

Am

Llanfairwyll

17:38, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to The Teahouse. Wikipedia only publishes articles for topics that have received significant coverage in reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 17:43, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Llanfairwyll. Just to take the above to it's logical conclusion, if it's not obvious, what you do is not create the page. If the premises of your post is accurate, then you will waste your time; any such page created will be deleted if submitted directly, or if submitted as a draft, declined and eventually deleted, as not able to meet threshold standards for inclusion. There are plenty of places online to post about topics that aren't encyclopedias. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:27, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Should Affenpinschers be classified as an endangered breed? Plus, why are they called pinschers, when they dont have any of those characteristics?

1. On Akc’s popularity rank, Affenpinschers rank 148 out of 197, definitely meaning that they’re rare.

2. Should affenpinschers be classified as a pinscher? The other pinschers have a slender body, pointed ears, a long snout, and are usually Black and Tan. The affenpinscher shares none of these characteristics, and looks more like a black wire haired Pug.

Answermeplease11 Answermeplease11 (talk) 18:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Answermeplease11. The Teahouse is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. Try the Reference desk for general knowledge questions. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:10, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

When controversy rules a page

 Courtesy link: Foreskin Deor (talk) 20:30, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

'Foreskin' I actually came to this page looking for some simple verifiable references and I was shocked by the article and shocked by the talk page. I made one 'citation needed' edit which was immediately reverted. The article contains much that I and others suggest is bias, the sources look from the talk page to be unreliable. The talk page reads like an argument - still unresolved by last comment. I think it needs flagging up as a battleground but it needs proper assessment by someone who is good on the rules. I believe that some reference sources should be deleted but I am no expert in the area. The page is almost useless as a reference source. Sorry that's not a question, that's a flag. Thelisteninghand (talk) 19:15, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thelisteninghand Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The user that reverted your edit wrote an edit summary where they say that the statement at issue was already sourced. If you have some sort of issue with the source, you may discuss your concerns on the article talk page with the other editors that follow that article in order to arrive at a consensus as to what should be done. 331dot (talk) 19:19, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I did not see an edit summary in the history. did I miss a click?Thelisteninghand (talk) 19:26, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thelisteninghand This link will take you to the "diff" with the edit summary. 331dot (talk) 19:44, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. The text containing the citation appears to be absent from the article being edited. It's why I put citation needed by the point where a citation is needed. Again, with apologies, am I missing something?Thelisteninghand (talk) 20:04, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Thelisteninghand: A reference is often placed at the end of the content it supports. This may be multiple sentences. The next reference has the quote in the edit summary. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:05, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again, I may be moving towards asking for intervention on this page because of bias. But following the links to do it are getting me lost. Is it a dramatic thing to do? And could someone give me a shortcut to the simplest way of getting neutral oversight?Thelisteninghand (talk) 19:03, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Map is light blue after publish

I did a copy edit on Parkmont School to take it out of stub status. When I went to preview mode, there were no Editor errors showing and everything looked fine. When I published the article, the area in the Infobox where the map was, was instead light blue. When I clicked on the light blue screen, the map shows up full screen. I double-checked everything and even compared it with other wiki articles. My editing of the map coordinates is identical to other articles.

It shows up in preview mode, but when in "Read" mode it's gone. Can somebody take a look at the article and tell me what I've overlooked? Pibal373 (talk) 20:39, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Pibal373: The map shows up OK for me (though it takes a couple of seconds to load). Maybe try clearing your cache. Deor (talk) 20:48, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Deor:It looks like clearing up the cache worked! Thanks!--Pibal373 (talk) 22:07, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Deor:I noticed that you put "format=dms|type:edu_region:US-DC" in the edit. Just for me to know... is there a specific reason behind that or it's more of an editor's preference. I.m always trying to improve my skills. Thanks again.--Pibal373 (talk) 23:22, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@Pibal373: I think that {{Infobox school}} automatically adds the edu type to coordinates (among other things, that determines the scale at which maps will be shown when one clicks through the coordinates); but I can never remember which infoboxes add the type automatically and which ones don't, so I just threw it in. The region parameter is useful because it determines which maps are listed at the top of the GeoHack page when one clicks through the coordinates. For a full explanation of {{coord}} parameters, see WP:GEO#Parameters. Deor (talk) 03:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

New here - hi!

Hi guys,

I've always been an avid reader of Wikipedia, making it my first port of call any time I want to find out something. I finally decided to take the plunge and get involved in the editing side of things. While I know you probably get this question all the time, I AM a newbie here (editing-wise at least), so what would you suggest is the best way for me to get involved in terms of editing? I really want to be a positive contributor to the community.

I'm looking forward to learning a lot more from you all :)

Thanks in advance! DizzyDaisies (talk) 21:00, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

DizzyDaisies, welcome to Wikipedia! We get this question a fair bit, so I've made a list of some easy but important things for newbies to do. It's: User:Giraffer/Things for new users to do. If you have any questions, or need any help, feel free to ask here. Giraffer ^{(talk·contribs)} 21:03, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I will be sure to take go through this thoroughly - it looks incredibly helpful. DizzyDaisies (talk) 21:12, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

DizzyDaisies A common error committed by new editors is to add true content to an article but without a reference to verify it being true. This can lead to automatic reverting by an automated program or reverting by another editor. (Many popular or controversial articles have multiple 'watchers' who see that the articles they watch have new edits, so responses can be QUICK). Think of each revert as a lesson. David notMD (talk) 21:25, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

@DizzyDaisies: what kind of stuff do you enjoy? Are you more of a writer, or someone interested in maintenance tasks? Elli (talk | contribs) 22:33, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

Review my Article : Maceo Frost

Hi Wikipedians, I have submitted my article(draft) for review, which is being in the 'review' status for three days. When I submitted for the first time, it got reviewed the same day. But, I also know that Reviewers does not follow an order for review, and do review articles randomly. The thing here his, I just need to know weather my article is eligible for a Wikipedia Page. I would also like to know the errors I have made (if any) and weather my article has enough and reliable sources. Thanks in advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 00:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC) Jocelin Andrea (talk) 00:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: I believe that any article is eligible if it meets the requirements. But if you read the reason why your article got declined at AfC, you may check your talkpage. ~Wizdzy 00:29, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Wiz Thank you for your help, I myself too looking forward for the article's review!!. Thanks!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 00:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: I note this mention that you were being paid to write an article about an (unspecified) company, and invitation to see the declaration on your user page but lack of any such declaration on your user page. Are you also being paid to create an article about Maceo Frost? -- Hoary (talk) 00:38, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary, Hi, I had a contract earlier, but due to some suggestions of Wikipedians, I have dropped that idea, and have removed that I was being pad to edit. Also, I am not related to the person ( Maceo Frost) in any kind, and I am not being paid to create an article for him. Thanks!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 00:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

You resubmitted Draft:Maceo Frost without having made major changes since it was declined. While it may not be reviewed by the same reviewer, it may be declined for the same reasons as before. David notMD (talk) 01:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Jocelin Andrea. Thank you for further clarifying things. Please try and understand, however, that the fact that you once seem to have been willing to create an article about Frost for some kind of payment might still make some others suspicious of your motivation. They might still feel that you've got an WP:APPARENTCOI. So, the best thing for you to do would be to continue to work on the draft, try to address the issues raised by the AfC reviewer who declined it, and then submit it for another review when you think it's ready. You can also ask for additional assistance at WP:AFCHELP if you want. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:08, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

CORRECTION: The now abandoned article-for-pay project was about an entirely different topic (Speedy deleted, so not seen in her contribution history) - not Frost. That said, most of the refs are about Frost's work; too few (if any?) are about Frost. David notMD (talk) 01:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD, but I thought they were good references as he has directed them, and a short summary of him has been mentioned in the references. Anyways, please do let me know how to submit it to a any other reviewer as said byyou. Thanks!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 01:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Marchjuly, Thanks for the information!! But the previous reviewer has only mentioned that he lacks notability and need more references for him. So, I have only added a few (10-12) references about him. Thanks!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 01:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Specifically, refs 1, 3-9, 20-23 mention Frost by name, but are not about him. These can stay, but do not count toward establishing Wikipedia notability. As submitted, any reviewer can chose to review, including the reviewer who declined it the first time. David notMD (talk) 01:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your help @David notMD, let us see what happens to the article...! Meanwhile, you have a good username!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 01:44, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: please carefully review your draft article and correct all typos and grammar errors. I read over your draft and saw that you wrote african, when it should be African, with a capital A. Several times you have no space after comas and periods, and one sentence ends with two periods. There are places where you mention what I assume to be an award title, but none of the words are capitalized, so I didn't know if you were giving the name of an award, or just writing a confusing sentence.

We all make typing mistakes, but numerous typos make your draft appear unprofessional. You may have delibertly added typos to show that you are not being paid to write the article, but I would suggest that you strive to make a good first impression on all future reviewers by providing them with an easy to read article.

Best wishes on your future editing and writing. Karenthewriter (talk) 04:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Karenthewriter for pointing out the typos in my article!! This is a really great help indeed. Well, the typing issues are there cause that's my first article! And, I am not being paid to write, please understand me. Thanks!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 04:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Karenthewriter, please do check my article for any Typing or Grammatical errors now if possible. It would be a great help if you do this. Thanks in advance!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 04:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: I have done some editing to correct grammar mistakes to try to improve the article draft. I am confused by your statement that the typing issues are because this is your first article. You originally had a contract to write an article on another subject, so you must have some writing experience, or you would not have been hired. Just remember that the writing rules for a Wikipedia article are not much different than the ones you followed when writing reports for school work, or when writing for print publications. Always read your draft at least twice to check for errors before submitting for review. Karenthewriter (talk) 07:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Karenthewriter, Thanks for editing my article!!! Now this looks great. This is a real good work indeed. Thanks for your help!!! Jocelin Andrea (talk) 10:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Jocelin Andrea: please don't become complacent, for I believe you need to do a great deal of work to make your draft manuscript show that Mr. Frost is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Several of your references are written in a foreign language, and are of no help to anyone who can only read English. Many references just indicate that the documentaries exist, and not that they are important. I Googled Maceo Frost and found websites I've never heard of, but no printed articles about him. (Notable people tend to have articles written about them.)

Find good references to show that the awards Frost won are important ones, and not ones given by an obscure group. Find references that indicate the film festivals that showed his documentaries are well regarded. How important is the African singer that Frost did a video for? It will likely be many months before your draft is reviewed a second time, so spend those months working to improve your work. One reviewer did not believe Mr. Frost was notable. What are you doing to make your article show that he is important? Karenthewriter (talk) 23:52, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

​ Please see WP:OVERCOME and WP:ARTN for reference, but drafts aren't generally declined because of typos, grammar, punctuation or formatting errors. A beautifully written and perfectly formatted draft may still be declined if the AfC reviewer feels the subject doesn't meet WP:N. So, if would be better to focus on finding better sources which show that Frost has received the WP:SIGCOV required by WP:BIO since that seems to be the main reason why your draft was declined. If you've got more specific questions about this, you can try asking at WP:AFCHELP or maybe even Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:44, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Website blocked from use

How can a site that has been registered on Wikipedia's blacklist be checked for use? Is there a way for someone to share why a particular site was blocked over others that are similar? Thehistorian17 (talk) 00:44, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Thehistorian17. You can try asking about this at WT:BLACKLIST. Perhaps the website in question was previously discussed somewhere, but that discussion is now buried in some page's archives like the ones listed near the top of WP:BLACKLIST. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:01, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you! How might I go about finding a discussion that has been buried? Is there a way to search? I put in a request for it to be whitelisted as well.

Thehistorian17 (talk) 01:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Thehistorian17: There is a search box for the archives at the top of Wikipedia:Spam_blacklist, or you can ask on the talk page as suggested. RudolfRed (talk) 02:37, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Requesting review of twice declined draft

Hi Teahouse. I have an article that has already been declined twice, so if anyone can, please review it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mini_sport_utility_vehicle. Lewis4642011 (talk) 03:38, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Your draft has been declined thrice, most recently by an editor named Hoary. If you're still not sure as to why it's being declined even after reading the latest decline notification, try asking for assistance at WP:AFCHELP. Perhaps someone there will be able to explain what is still lacking. Finally, you might also want to ask about this at Talk:Sport utility vehicle or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Automobiles because your draft has the look of a content fork; in other words, there might be something in your draft worth adding to an already existing article even if the subject isn't deemed notable enough for its own stand-alone article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

But Marchjuly, it had only been declined twice before that nasty editor Hoary saw the polite request above and duly declined it a third time. -- Hoary (talk) 05:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

No personal attacks please, even if they're of the self-inflicted kind. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:50, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

How is this not just a merge and redirect to Sport utility vehicle#Mini SUV? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Attribution?

If I copy information from a website which is available under a CC license then how to attribute it? ExclusiveEditor (talk) 07:08, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@ExclusiveEditor: You generally don’t want to copy articles word for word. If you are sourcing an article and adding the info, you will instead want to rephrase it. You can also make specific requests for assistance on an article’s talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:29, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

​ Hi ExclusiveEditor. Great question. A threshold issue: you must first check whether the CC license involved is suitably free and compatible. If it isn't, then treat as you would any other non-free source source (and don't copy). If it is, then you can absolutely copy the content, so long as you provide the proper copyright attribution your question regards (no rephrasing needed). Two overarching actions are needed:

(1) in the edit where you are importing content, write an edit summary stating what you are doing (that you are copying content); specify the source of that copying, with its URL; and that is a licensed under a compatible CC license.

• For example: This edit copies content from __SourceName__, available at http://www.insert_rest_of_url.edu, licensed under CC-BY-SA; see its history for attribution
• A few pages that might be helpful for understanding, though only by analogy: Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia – which explains providing attribution for our internal CC licensing scheme; and Wikipedia:Reusing Wikipedia content, which is for external re-users of our content.
• See also Help:Dummy edit, where I have listed some specific examples of edit summaries for various attribution situations (also "by analogy", since its format is actually geared toward repairing attribution that was not originally provided, but which can be adapted for original edit summary attribution purposes, with only a small change).

(2) Provide further attribution to the same attribution information in the references section of the article.

• There are a variety of templates for this purpose that have been made for specific freely-licensed sources, such as {{Wikia content}} for content from Wikia (renamed Fandom). See others at Category:Attribution templates.
• In the absence of a specific attribution template, use the catchall {{Free-content attribution}}, filling out the parameters as listed at its documentation.

Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Question about sources

Moved to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § Are Astrodatabank, TV Guide, Ranker.com, Google Arts & Culture reliable?

My original page was declined

My original page was declined. I made changes and resubmitted it 3 months ago. I hasn't been accepted yet (nor declined again). How do I find the current status of approval? TAH0916 (talk) 10:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi TAH0916, welcome to the Teahouse. User:TAH0916/sandbox has not been resubmitted. Click the "Resubmit" button and then "Publish changes" to resubmit it. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

TAH0916 Before you resubmit it you should remove all the external links from the body of the draft, specifically the Equipment stuff. More radically, consider deleting the equipment section entirely. What equipment he uses does not contribute to his notability, and can be seen by a reviewer as promotional. David notMD (talk) 14:49, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Help - getting my 4months+ submission reviewed

Hello to all! I have submitted last 1st december my submission on IADS following some works I did on department stores: Draft:International_Association_of_Department_Stores The same day, 1 user made a review and declined the submission, however I carefully followed his comments and significantly reviewed the submission according to his guidelines. I have been patiently waiting for a review until last March, and another reviewer made some comments that I followed. This is my first submission, won't be my last but before moving forward I would appreciate getting a review of this one. I do believe that it is now fit and follows all wikipedia rules. I am not compensated whatsoever for submitting this proposal (just in case). Thank you for your help! --Perchsquirell (talk) 11:44, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

The submissions are in pool. Some reviewers concentrate om topic areas, others omn oldest, others on news drafts. It is not a queue per se Fiddle Faddle 12:01, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

thank you Fiddle actually the reason why I am asking is that when I reverted to the first reviewer, he advised me to look for a new one here --Perchsquirell (talk) 13:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Perchsquirell they have a point, but, generally, you are at the whim and will of reviewers.You may well prompt/g=have already prompted a review, though Fiddle Faddle 13:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Perchsquirell: Try reading WP:NPOV for details. ~Wizdzy 12:01, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

thank you Wiz but actually, I have been reviewing this part a lot according to previous comments. Unless it is a question of command of English, there are no opinions stated in the text (I have removed all parts and all the information provided is backed by references) and I present also limitations on the topic and other opinions. If it is the way it is written that is problematic, can you orientate me or let me know which part is an issue? Thakn you --Perchsquirell (talk) 13:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Perchsquirrel: There's nothing wrong with the article in my opinion. I just saw the reasoning. ~Wizdzy 13:03, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello whoever I’m typing to!

I’m CredibleClover6719 and I’ve just assigned Wikipedia. Even if I’m typing English I’m actually Turkish. I’ve recently realized while I was surfing in Wikipedia for my article that some subjects were different in Vikipedi (Turkish Wikipedia). So that made me think

 CredibleClover6719 (talk) 12:35, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello CredibleClover6719, and welcome to the Teahouse! Yep, the language-versions of WP are different. Different people are/can be involved, the policies/guidelines can differ, etc. Media notice this sometimes, see for example Non-English Editions of Wikipedia Have a Misinformation Problem. Of course en-WP can have misinformation problems too. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Turkish-English volunteered translation due to inadequate information in Vikipedi (Turkish Wikipedia).

Hi whoever I’m typing to! I’m CredibleClover6719 and I’m from Turkey. Recently when I was surfing in Wikipedia for my article I’ve realized that some of the subjects were differently typed between Wikipedia and Vikipedi (Turkish Wikipedia). Trusting my sufficient English grade, I thought maybe I could do some translations to help improving our Vikipedi. But when I browsed it in Wikipedia I couldn’t see anywhere related with translation section. Are there such topic I can assist? Excitedly waiting your replies! Much Love, CredibleClover6719 CredibleClover6719 (talk) 12:44, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

CredibleClover6719, see Wikipedia:Translate us. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:54, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Improving an Article / Reliable Source help

Hello. My entry was declined and I am having a difficult time improving it. Here is the link and note I received. Any help is greatly appreciated and I thank you for your time. I have updated the sources but perhaps I need to do more? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Postindustrial_(media) Comment: Sources are all self-published or too close related to the Subject, please see Wikipedia:Notability (media) CommanderWaterford (talk) 19:28, 13 February 2021 Dawnpalmyra (talk) 13:02, 12 April 2021 (UTC) Dawnpalmyra (talk) 13:02, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hey Dawnpalmyra, and welcome to the Teahouse. I see a few issues still:

• There seem to be a few things that are in the lead section but not in the body of the article. You should try to make it so the lead is a summary of the body.
• In the history section, the sources are used wrongly. The WPR source does not mention Postindustrial at all, so it cannot be used to say something about it. The citation to Postindustrial itself does not actually say what it is cited for; and if you cite the subject of the article, you should always present it as a statement from the subject and not the objective truth.
• In the content section, the part about the coverage area seems wrong. In the lead it says the coverage area is the rust belt and appalachia, and that is also what Postindustrial says they mean by "Postindustrial America" in the article you cited in the history section.
• Also in the content section, you use a source in an inappropriate way: the Postindustrial article that you cite is an example of what you're talking about, but what you should cite is an independent source that says Postindustrial writes such articles.
• Finally, in the last section there is an external link in the text. Either remove it or move the link to the "External links" section where it belongs.

I hope this helps. 86.89.77.70 (talk) 23:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Deleting an account

How do I go about deleting an account I own? I discovered that I had a 2nd wikipedia account (I think the user is BlazeWolfYT or something) on my home PC that I had completely forgotten about. I'm not actually using that account as I had created it a while ago (and I think the username breaks one of wikipedia's rules cause it's kinda self promoting my YT channel which I"ve just left to die), so how would I go about deleting it? (also I do own it, I think it's actually registered under the same email as this one) Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:29, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I just searched up that username and it says it isn't registered. Is there a way I can check to see what accounts are registered to my email so I can figure out what my account I need to get rid of is? Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:31, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Blaze The Wolf. It is not possible to delete accounts. See Wikipedia:Username policy#Deleting and merging accounts. You can enter an email address at Special:PasswordReset to get a mail for accounts with that address, and a temporary password for them. Maybe you can find the username at Special:ListUsers/BlazeWolf or Special:ListUsers/Blazewolf. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:49, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Can anyone help me with my bad history article?

With the help of others, please help me expand my Bad History article, and eventually, it can become a Wikipedia Page! Answermeplease11 (talk) 12:48, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Answermeplease11: Link? ~Wizdzy 13:04, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Wizdzy: Draft:Bad History. Kleinpecan (talk) 13:13, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Here’s how you can find the article

1. Go to my user page

2. On at the bottom of my user page, it shows the link for bad history, and thats how you find it.

But anyways, here’s the link!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bad_History

Answermeplease11 (talk) 13:14, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Answermeplease11: welcome to the Teahouse. I fear the answer is "No!" as there's nothing in your draft to show a bunch of Romanian YouTube videos merits an article here. Had you supplied some references to independent sources that talked about it in detail and in depth, then our Notability criteria might be met. Unless you can do that, there's nothing we can do to assist you. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes, here is where you can find the sources I am going to put on Bad History:

Herehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:KylieTastic#KylieTastic,_can_you_help_me_with_my_bad_history_article

Answermeplease11 (talk) 13:33, 12 April 2021 (UTC) Answermeplease11

@Answermeplease11: In that comment you mention Wikitubia and the YouTube films themselves. The films are not independent sources, and Wikitubia is a user generated source just like Wikipedia, so that is not a reliable source. In other words, I'm afraid Nick Moyes' comment still applies. Please take a moment to follow the link Nick supplied, to the notability criteria. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 13:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Then who will create the article? Or will it never be created?

Answermeplease11 (talk) 14:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Somewhere between WP:TOOSOON and never, but closer to never. David notMD (talk) 14:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Update: Following a discussion at my talk page this user has confirmed they would like their draft deleting. I'll leave it a while before doing so, lest they have second thoughts and suddenly find sources they can use. But it seems improbable that will happen. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Assistance on Draft:KaHa Pte

Draft has been attended to and would need extra hands from the Teahouse to overview the article. Thanks Afí-afeti (talk) 13:36, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

The draft was declined, and there are several comments on the shortcomings of the draft. David notMD (talk) 15:03, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I have looked into it and made the necessary changes on the draft before resubmitting it.--Afí-afeti (talk) 17:02, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Creating a bot for archiving my talk page

Hi. I want to create a bot for archiving my talk page every month. How can I do that. Can anybody help me? A.A Prinon (talk) 13:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi A.A Prinon. Creating a bot is difficult but there are already archiving bots you can request for the task. See Help:Archiving a talk page#Automated archiving. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:52, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Pesky vandal on someone's talkpage

Can anyone block this user named Dababynowpleaseplease? They keep on vandalizing this person's talkpage. Another editor, I presume the same person, has also vandalized the same talkpage. They keep on lying that they are an admin and "have a fetish for little boy's feet". All of this vandalism that this user keeps on doing is disgusting. Can an actual administrator block this user indefinitely? Thanks. Treekangaroosandlions 2 (talk) 14:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

yea me and dababy are two different people Stevelovesweewee (talk) 14:13, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Stevelovesweewee: Okay, I don't really care. Now please stop being a vandal. Treekangaroosandlions 2 (talk) 14:16, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Treekangaroosandlions 2: but i love feet and this admin talked about my feet yum cokokei Stevelovesweewee (talk) 14:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Stevelovesweewee: I'm just gonna ignore you now. Goodbye. Treekangaroosandlions 2 (talk) 14:20, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

UPDATE: both offenders indef blocked. David notMD (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Pitanje

Pitanje Why did no one make an article about "Cunami Flo"? MuradifSaUlice (talk) 14:07, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Cunami Flo PBR THC @MuradifSaUlice: The reviewer who declined your draft left you information. Your draft is not in English, nor is it properly referenced. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Article: Legion duel 2

I need some help getting my article off the ground. Lomrjyo (talk) 14:50, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

It exists as Legion Duel 2. What do you mean by 'getting it off the ground'? And remember, it is 'an article', not 'your article'. David notMD (talk) 15:14, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Lomrjyo — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 15:33, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD, I want to expand the article's content. Lomrjyo (talk) 15:44, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Lomrjyo. Then find reliable, secondary, independent sources that treat the topic in substantive detailTemplate:Z21 and summarize the information they provide (without copying the words used, i.e., in proper paraphrase), citing those sources as you write. If you already understand that, and are asking more about how you can get others to contribute to it, that's already been done situationally by having it in the mainspace, as stub tagged; not much else to do. Someone either will or won't come along to expand it, probably dependent entirely on whether they're interested in the topic. That's just the way it is with a volunteer project. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

You could model expansion on Lenovo phone articles listed at Lenovo smartphones. A major issue is that the phone was very recently released, so there may not be much to cite yet (other than the reviews you already have - that it breaks easily). David notMD (talk) 17:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

RedWarn misuse

Hi! Where can I get help with an editor who is misusing WP:RW to revert non-vandal edits whilst leaving nonsense edit summaries? ◦ Trey Maturin 15:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Trey Maturin, you can report a user to an administrator, or use WP:ANI. ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 15:52, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Their edits aren't from RedWarn use. It seems like they're simply adding the usual RedWarn signature at the end of manual reverts. Chlod (say hi!) 15:55, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Question about CSD templates

I was going through articles and went to tag for CSD A7, but I noticed that Twinkle does not include an option for a template for movies, books, and others. What template do I use in these situations? {{db-a7}} says that if possible a more specific template should be used, so is there one? bop34 • talk • contribs 15:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Bop34, you can see more speciifc templates in the "notes" section of {{db-a7}}. That specific template is usually used when there is no other template that can be used. Twinkle has the other more specific templates, but in the case there is a template that is not specific enough, just use the standard A7 template. Hope this helps! — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 15:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Bop34: Note also that CSD A7 explicitly "does not apply to articles about products, books, films, TV programmes, albums, software, or other creative works". Deor (talk) 16:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi bop34. Further on to the above, the CSD are generally strictly construed because of the nature of that process. It is thus strongly recommended that users familiarize themselves with the actual criteria parameters, e.g., that CSD A7 only applies to articles, on a defined, limited list of topics, with a variety of provisos setting out clarifications and strictures on its applied ambit. To answer the actual question you asked: "No, none". No criterion is applicable to any of these. Of course, if one of these articles had, say, unambiguous copyright violations, and met all the parts of CSD G12 (the same for G5, or G11, et al.) then another CSD could apply, but only because of an intervening defect, unrelated to the topic. If there's some uncontroversial reason for deletion, such as that the topic appears patently non-notable, and you've done at least a bare check before tagging for minimal due diligence, you could use the proposed deletion process. Otherwise, a deletion discussion process is required (which is only warranted after you've done some more involved due diligent checking before invoking a process that is far more expensive of community time and resources). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:06, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

frustrated with edits getting reverted

I feel like Wikipedia is very hostile to new editors, I've made a couple edits here and all that ever happens is they're reverted. And now somebody wrote a message to me accusing me of bad faith with no specific explanation for why my edits (which added academically referenced content) were unconstructive. Almost fed up with this site already. Folx (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Folx, you're correct in saying that Wikipedia isn't a very welcoming platform for new editors. Hundreds of policies and essays, confusing instructions and more. I assume you're talking about your edit to Race and sexuality, which was reverted by CommanderWaterford. The edit seems to have been fine, I think however it may have been inadvertently reverted (words such as
"porn" are so common in vandalism that an edit may be reverted without checking the context). If you don't agree with the revert, you can leave a message on the reverting user's talk page. Hope this helps! — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 16:05, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Folx As you already know your edits had been restored some time ago. CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:07, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

thank you for restorint it! I'm glad that was resolved quickly. I was worried that an hour of digging up references went down the drain. Folx (talk) 16:15, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Updating a Heading

I have noticed that there is a page with the incorrect spelling of an individuals name in the Heading but the correct spelling in the body fo the page. I have posted in talk for that page but is there a way to suggest an edit to the Heading?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_MacDonald#:~:text=Will%20Macdonald%20(born%201966)%20is,Your%20Toothbrush%20and%20TFI%20Friday.

FrancescaAssistantProducer (talk) 16:07, 12 April 2021 (UTC) FrancescaAssistantProducer (talk) 16:07, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@FrancescaAssistantProducer:  Done. Since the sources cited in the article all use "Macdonald", I've moved it to Will Macdonald. Deor (talk) 16:19, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Is it possible to send a message to contributors?

I found what appears to be a factual error in Wikipedia entry [1], and I would like to notify the contributors of the article about it. I do not wish to change the erroneous information myself, since I do not have the correct information to replace the erroneous information -- I can only substantiate that it is in error.

How can I send the details of the error to the contributors? 79.178.32.161 (talk) 17:22, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

A recently active contributor is User:Sturmvogel 66. You could leave a message on that editor's Talk page. If the wrong information has a reference, then a replacement reference will be necessary. David notMD (talk) 17:26, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi person editing from ...32.161. A dedicated place to post about this is the article's talk page – every article has one – where anyone who is watching the article might see the posting popping up on their watchlist, and the post will remain for future interested editors to view, in case no one currently noticing has both the knowledge and motivation to address the issue. In this case, that would be Talk:Douglas XTB2D Skypirate. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:59, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

About source editing

So, ever since I joined the Simple English Wikipedia, I've been stuck on the 2017 Wikitext editor and I don't know how to go back to the other one. How do I do it? Thanks ~Wizdzy 17:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Wizdzy: It should be a beta feature that you can disable by going to your Preferences → Beta features → uncheck "New wikitext mode". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:50, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Article Review

Can anyone review an article submitted for review?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Association_for_a_Better_Long_Island Longislandecodev (talk) 18:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Longislandecodev: The draft is submitted for review. There are over 5000 other drafts also waiting for review, so please be patient. You can continue to work on the draft while waiting for the review. RudolfRed (talk) 18:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Longislandecodev. In the meantime, I suggest you bone-up the attribution details of the citations. You are even using a few naked URLs as citations, and the ones that aren't, are not providing full attribution details (some of them are also making odd use of parameters, e.g., next to |first= and |last=, which are for a person's first and last names, I see dates, times, am/pm, etc.).

Since you have a lot of reference to newspaper articles, you might switch those from the template {{Cite web}} to {{Cite news}}, as better configured for expressing newspaper source details (in either case, visiting the templates themselves, linked earlier in this sentence, will access their explanatory documentation).

To give you one example, you cite the this Newsday article by its title alone. I would expect a fully attributed citation to tell me the linked title, the Newspaper name, the writer (if provided), and the date. I will provide as an example a footnote at the end of this sentence to this source, which will format to the citation seen at the very end of this post, using the markup immediately below. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:38, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

<ref>{{Cite news|work=Newsday|last=Sprangler|first=Nicholas|date=April 24, 2019|title=Report envisions modernizing Hauppauge Industrial Park|url=https://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/hauppauge-industrial-park-1.30160362}}</ref>

P.S. to improve the draft (though the lack of this will not cause your submission to be declined), I recommend judicious linking to other articles, for appropriate items mentioned in the text of the draft, by surrounding the name in doubled opening and closing brackets ([[ArticleName]] or [[ArticleName|DisplayName]] <-- a piped link). See Help:Linking for technicalities on this; Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking for appropriateness; and Wikipedia:Tutorial for the basics of lots of stuff like this I am omitting.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:38, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

In answer to the original question, there are editors who qualify as reviewers. Obviously, not enough of them, or there would not be the horrendous and growing backlog. At Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation see How to get involved. David notMD (talk) 21:37, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

References

Which link should I visit to see all available user templates?

I want to decorate my user page with user templates but I do not know which templates should I use to decorate the page. Npovobsessed (talk) 18:25, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there is a specific page with every single user template in existence. I usually just find them after going to projects I'm interested in or I just happen to discover them on another user's userpage. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:55, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Npovobsessed. To find ones to use, see Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries and Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries/alphabetical. For using them, formatting, them, creating them, etc., see Wikipedia:Userboxes. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:56, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Competence is required

Can somebody keep an eye on User:Inceptio because he or she is making typographical and other edits which don't conform to our style, nor anybody else's in some cases? I've changed a quite a few of them back to the correct versions, but I have a life to live. Thank you. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 19:16, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I have looked at their contributions and some of them are helpful. However I do not have the time to look through all of them Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:39, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Protection Policy Edits

How do you check how many total edits you have, and how do you check how many days old your account is? Was an explorer (talk) 19:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Was an explorer: Special:Preferences will show your edit count and when you registered. RudolfRed (talk) 19:34, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Was an explorer (talk) 19:55, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Was an explorer, here's an other version: [2] Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:24, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

What does ! vs !! Mean?

I have seen them in headers but I don’t see the difference.73.111.22.127 (talk) 20:08, 12 April 2021 (UTC) 73.111.22.127 (talk) 20:08, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi. Vs usually means versus in English writing; no idea about exclamation points used in relation; (as usual) the actual context would be incredibly helpful in providing a concrete answer.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:25, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. I'm guessing that you mean the header row of tables? If so, have a look at Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup/2. --ColinFine (talk) 20:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Ah, smart.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:27, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes I looked there and I don’t see difference can you show it.

See Help:Basic table markup. The introductory help table articles assume you won't be looking in such detail. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

It is there on the page I linked to, (under "header cell") but it's not so obvious as on the page that StarryGrandma linked. --ColinFine (talk) 21:49, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Keeping edit requests from getting to me

IPs can't receive autoconfirmed and extended confirmed privileges, so I end up making a lot of edit requests. Recently, though, I've found myself having to repeat myself about the fact that the citations already present in the article are sufficient for my edit, when that happens to be the case. This seems to be because editors are in a hurry to move on to the next edit request and clear up the backlog, and they tend to summarily reject edits lacking HTML ref tags. Is there some way I can format my edit requests to go through the first f***ing time instead of having to answer stupid f***king questions and set the edit-request-answered parameter to "no" until someone decides my edit request is worthy of being accepted? My time for editing enwiki is no less limited than that of the admittedly public-spirited folks who volunteer to clear the edit request backlog... 128.62.29.29 (talk) 20:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There's no need for cursing; we try to keep things friendly and civil here. You could obviate the need to make edit requests by creating an account and becoming autoconfirmed, but I assume you are aware of that. It's difficult to say more unless you provide diffs of edits or the pages where this has happened to you. 331dot (talk) 20:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

It would make it much easier to answer if you would link to an example or two of your edit requests. You have made no other edits with this IP address. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:17, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Have you approached reviewers with your concerns? 331dot (talk) 20:19, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Simply provide an appropriate proviso to your post, e.g., <tailor to context>"Please note that the existing source at the end of the same paragraph (footnote 7, to X source), directly verifies this addition"</tailor to context>--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:31, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, folks, for being willing to review my edit requests. My motivation for posting this question from a campus IP address, rather than my usual one, was to keep from drawing unnecessary attention to specific folks interacting with specific edit requests - I did not want to contribute to potentially "dogpiling" them as one might expect from posting to a forum as popular as the Teahouse. I admit I let that motivation get mixed up with my motivation to vent in unfiltered language; I agree with those of you who have pointed out this gets in the way of keeping things friendly and civil here. I thank Fuhghettaboutit for their constructive suggestion and will put it into practice as I make more edit requests. 128.62.53.11 (talk) 22:21, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Diplomatic mission of Ukraine to the UK

I was wondering if it would be notable enough (and allowed) if I created a new article, called "Diplomatic mission of Ukraine to the United Kingdom" containing information on the Embassy in London and the Consulates in Edinburgh and London. It could also include further information such as the opening of the diplomatic missions (I have a source from the Ukrainian Ministry of Foreign Affairs providing this information). This article would merge the current Embassy of Ukraine, London article into this one article (the Edinburgh Consulate doesn't have its own article, as far as I am aware). If the topic doesn't warrant its own article, no problem! Thank you! MBihun (talk) 20:51, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@MBihun: Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia is more interested in what independent reliable sources have published about a topic than what the ministry wants to say about itself. See Help:Your first article for lots of good information about writing a draft article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:36, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Peer-reviewed Magazine vs. Journal

Is there a difference? Is a peer-reviewed magazine essentially an academic journal? I'm thinking about the likes of Adoranten and Ancient Egypt Magazine. Tyrone Madera (talk) 21:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Tyrone Madera. I don't think that the distinction between "magazine" and "journal" is all that significant. If the peer review is genuine and the publications have good reputations in their fields, then the sources are generally reliable. When creating references, it may be best to use Template:Cite journal to capture all the relevant information. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:12, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Okay, Thank you! Tyrone Madera (talk) 15:40, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

What if external links section contains citation (ref) ?

I've run into article that had duplicate references, one in section References, other at the end of the page (see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Schinzel%27s_hypothesis_H&oldid=1017095382 ). This was caused by ref in section External Links, which itself was after section References.

Now I quick fixed that by moving section External Links before the section References, but now I am second guessing my decision as I am not sure what is actually preferred solution... What is the proper/common way this is handled?

Thank you SilTheFirst (talk) 21:14, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

That was caused by someone placing a citation into the external refs section. That external refs section should come after the references section. Since the wayward cite was a duplicate of material already used as a reference, I reverted your switcheroo and deleted the unnecessary citation. Heiro 04:57, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Credible source question

Why is the Indian Census website or domain .in blocked? It seems like a credible source to put as anyone who knows about credibility only from one class Whatergun110 (talk) 21:22, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

(I added a section title). David notMD (talk) 21:53, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Whatergun110: As eviddent from your logs, you tried to add a link to census2011.co.in, which is not published by the indian government, but rather by a private entity, as evident by the url saying .co.in rather than .gov. It will not get unblacklisted, please use this (grabbed from here) instead. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:56, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

What happens if a image gets a new logo does it need to be updated?

What happens if a image gets a new logo does it need to be updated? ItsJustdancefan (talk) 21:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi ItsJustdancefan. I'm not sure what you mean by an image gets a new logo, but I'm going to assume that you mean that a company, sports team, TV program, etc. got a new logo or changed their branding. In such a case, the most recent version of the logo should be used, in principle, per Wikipedia:Logos, but how to best go about do that can sometimes be tricky. Can you provide a link to the article where you want to add this new logo? If you can do that, then perhaps someone can give you a more specific answer. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:49, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

need help

Iam trying to edit a wikipedia page and tried to copy what other people did but I messed up can someone help me fix it please. the wikipedia page is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_Me_Karizma Coolio66699 (talk) 22:58, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

I've fixed it. Kleinpecan (talk) 23:04, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

Adding content from a different version of Commons

I’ve been spending the past while trying to add an image from the Hebrew Commons to an infobox without much luck.

Does an image need to be on the English Wikimedia Commons to be added to an English Wikipedia page? If so, am I permitted to reupload the image there? And if not, what do I need to do to add the image to the infobox? Havitush (talk) 23:23, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

@Havitush: Welcome. There is only one Commons, and if the picture is there you can use it on any Wikipedia. I think what you are describing is that there is an image on the Hebrew Wikipedia that is not on Commons that you want to use here. Unfortunately you can't do that directly. You will either need to upload it to Commonsf it is licensed appropriately, or upload it here if it qualifies for WP:NFCC. RudolfRed (talk) 01:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft:GirlTrek 404 Error

I started writing a draft article for GirlTrek, a non-profit organization in the United States but have run into some issues. As this is my first article, I would like some insight into why I am getting the following notification when trying to publish new edits: "Error contacting the Parsoid/RESTBase server (HTTP 404). The first draft I published a few days ago saved without issue. But when I came back today to add more information, I could not publish my changes. What should I do? HLC BRAND (talk) 01:54, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi HLC BRAND. I made a WP:DUMMY edit to the draft to see if I got the same error, but the page saved fine for me. Perhaps it had something to do with the computer or device you were using. Maybe try to make the same edit again to see if you're still having the same problem.

Finally, please take a look at WP:IU because your username looks like it might be something not allowed. You might also want to look at Help:Your first article and MOS:MOS as well for some general ideas on how to create and format a Wikipedia article as well as WP:NOBLE and WP:COI if you're connected to GirlTrek in any way. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

we are classmates working on a class project

Hello! VPEllipsisW05 and W05 VP Ellipsis are classmates working on a Linguistics 300 project for a university course on Syntax. We have been tasked with creating content and are learning as we go. VPEllipsisW05 was not able to save content, likely as a learning curve issue. W05VP Ellipsis today was told that content was deleted because she was coordinating with another writer without having disclosed the relationship. How do we disclose the relationship and move forward on our class project? We are both interested to learn how to write Wikipedia content and are learning on the fly! VPEllipsisW05 (talk) 02:15, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

This may help you Wikipedia:Student assignments. Your teacher should probably also take a look at it. Heiro 02:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi VPEllipsisW05. The similarity of the two usernames sort of makes it seem as if the two accounts are being controlled by the same person. The simple way to resolve this would probably be for one of you to request a username change to something that's different enough to avoid such confusion.

You mentioned you've been tasked with creating content, but not who has given you this task. Are you editing as part of some class project? Do you know whether this project is connected to Wikipedia:Education program or did your teacher simply say go and create some Wikipedia articles? If it's a case of the latter, you might want to ask your teacher to look at Wikipedia:Education program/Educators because it's can be much harder than it seems to create content, particularly when your working under time constraints for a university course; moreover, your teacher should have a good idea as to what they're asking you and your classmates to try and do. Many students participating in class projects find themselves quickly having problems with other editors because they're not familiar with Wikipedia's various policies and guidelines. In some cases, these problems might be the result of their teachers not really be familiar with Wikipedia and expecting their students to be able to do things that simply are quite difficult to do for a new editor trying to learn as they go along. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:38, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

VPEllipsisW05 I would concur with the advice given by Marchjuly. It is extremely unfair to you a student for your teacher to ask that you write a Wikipedia article as part of an assignment. Students have little control over the process, and are under pressure to get a good grade, and are often ignorant of Wikipedia guidelines and practices, and as such often end up frustrated and desperate to succeed which ususally does not end well. 331dot (talk) 07:50, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Content about Mandarin was deleted because it was a copyright infringement. David notMD (talk) 09:28, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Editing Semi-Protected Article

Hello! I was wondering that, I want to edit a semi-protected article even though I'm not an autoconfirmed user.

I want to edit a semi-protected article. Please! AdjectiveGuy (talk) 03:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@AdjectiveGuy: Welcome to the Teahouse. You've made more than 10 edits and have been around for more than 4 days, so you should be autoconfirmed. Taking a look at your user groups you're already an implicit member. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Introductions of expressions of doubt

Are the introductions of words like "maybe" and "possibly" as seen in this diff [3] violations of MOS:DOUBT guidelines? Kind regards. —Twotwofourtysix^{(My talk page and contributions)} 03:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

If not DOUBT then WEASEL. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 03:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Warina Hussain

I would like to request what might be a fourth or fifth opinion, on the notability of Draft:Warina Hussain. Warina Hussain is currently a redirect to Loveyatri, but User:LearnIndology thinks that she passes acting notability and should have her own article. User:Onel5969 and User:GSS disagree. LearnIndology has provided a long explanation on the draft talk page at Draft talk:Warina Hussain why he thinks that she is notable. I would like to try to be neutral, and would like to know whether there is another experienced editor who will recommend accepting the draft, or whether it is too soon and he should wait until she acts in another major movie. Robert McClenon (talk) 07:49, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Robert McClenon, nicely said. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Another reviewer declined the draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Create New Article?

Create New Article? NiRan Jr23 (talk) 08:44, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@NiRan Jr23: See WP:Your first article on what you should do and watch for when creating a new article. Be advised that sucessfully creating a new article is one of the harder tasks one can undertake on Wikipedia, is requires much effort and practice. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:24, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Help

I need help with my article. I will check the references. I gave two links as references. Minwel (talk) 08:44, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I need help. I do not have the time to become a full Wikipedian but I will check the references. There is already a German Wikipedia article on Michael Gue, with references, etc. Maybe that can be linked somehow ...

Will loook into it when I have the time. Really would like this article to go online. Please help me.

We can't use the existence of an article at another edition of Wikipedia to justify an article here at en.wp. Each edition is its own project with its own standards, and they're rarely, if ever, fully compatible with one another. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 09:00, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Draft:Michael Gue

@Minwel: The subject does seem to be notable, so that's a good start. You do need to format your references as footnotes though. You can read Help:Footnotes for a detailed explanation, but the general gist of it is to put it in <ref> tags, so that they show up like so: If you use VisualEditor, it will format this more intuitively, like editing a Word document. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 09:05, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I understand. Thank you. I will deal with this in the afternoon.

Yes, the subject is notable. More later, best, Minwel / Annette — Preceding unsigned comment added by Minwel (talk • contribs) 09:37, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

References

what are the critters to create a article page in wikipedia?

 Fatjona90 (talk) 09:08, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Specifically, are you asking about Draft:Enea Kadiu? - X201 (talk) 09:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Fatjona90, WP:NFOOTBALL may be what you want. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Guessing here that you were in auto-correct for spelling, and you device liked "critters" more than "criteria". David notMD (talk) 09:39, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

This site is so cool

Greeting from New Zealand & thanks too thoes people that have helped with you tube & internet. My question u make money from post's & this way cooler than facebook & yeah im new too this site. So yeah its great so any help making money please help? 122.56.208.247 (talk) 09:20, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi, IP user. Wikipedia editors are volunteers. It is a hobby and a kind of service to others – we do it because it is (usually) enjoyable and (usually) meaningful, and we don't make any money from it. --bonadea contributions talk 09:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft pending review + new published article

I came across a new article, and subsequently found out that it was a recreation of an earlier draft, rejected once at AfC and currently waiting re-review; hence now there is a more-or-less identical copy both published and in the draft space. What's the correct process for handling this (assuming I can/need to do more than just walk on by...). My first instinct was to request speedy on the recreated article, but I wasn't sure if A10 applies, given that the other article is only a draft? Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: Since the draft is now "in mainspace", there are several points to consider. The first question you should ask is wether the draft has substantial contributions by others. If so, request a history merge. It usally better to err on the side of caution with this. Secondly, you need to ask yourself wether the article is "ready for mainspace". If it is, it can stay there. If you aren't sure, leave it there for now. If it clearly isn't, you have three options: 1) Tag it for CSD, if one of the criteria applies (A10 does not, because the other page is a draft) 2) Take it to AFD or 3) (after a histmerge) move it back to draft. It would be helpfull if you could give us the name of the article, as this would make answering easier. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks @Victor Schmidt: the published and draft articles are both mostly but not entirely the work of a single editor. (In the case of the former, I myself made copy edits, added cats, etc. before realising the situation.) I don't think the article is any more ready for main space than the earlier draft was, as it suffers from the same issues of notability and flaky sources. I doubt that it's speediable, though, if as you say A10 wouldn't work, so I guess I'll dispatch it to AfD, then. Thanks for your help, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:58, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Show word meaning when mouse hovers

Is there a way so that when someone mouse pointer hovers over a word its meaning is displayed ? Much like when we hover over trans. , translated is displayed. Specifically, I am writing summary of episode in a article. I want to write, "Madhurima responds that maybe Kajol will play a part to part them", meant as, ". Madhurima responds that maybe Kajol will play a role to separate them". See the difference in meaning of two part. I can use separate words but writing "part to part" looks cool(Use of some literary device, maybe alliteration, Not Sure).    Parnaval (talk) 09:50, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Parnaval: do you mean Wikipedia:Tooltips? --DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Don't do it!. Read MOS:NOHOVER - X201 (talk) 10:00, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Also clarity of meaning should take precedence over literary devices. See Wikipedia:Ambiguous words.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing:, Thank you for the answer but due to other 2 comments I have decided not to use it.     Parnaval (talk) 13:26, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Help

I have to created an article: Draft:Soham Lahiri. Can someone help me in publishing the article in the main namespace? Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vtbn21 (talk • contribs)

You can past {{subst:submit}} at the top of your draft to submit it for review. Although looking at your draft, the subject does not appear to be sufficiently notable for a wikipedia article, see WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Polyamorph (talk) 10:44, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Vtbn21: I agree that Sohan Lahiri has not reached Wikipedia notability, so expect your draft to be Declined. See WP:TOOSOON. There are format and referencing errors, but even if all those were fixed, very unlikely the draft will be accepted. [Youtube and Facebook are not reliable source references, hyperlinks do not belong in the text, references do belong in the text in a format that creates a reference list.] David notMD (talk) 11:08, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

If you decide to submit it anyway, there is a large backlog of drafts waiting for review, so could be as long as months before a reviewer chooses to review your draft. David notMD (talk) 11:08, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Vtbn21. To be clear, do not spend any more of your time on this, as it will be wasted effort. Given what you've written in the draft, all indications are that you are simply not notable at this time (just as I am not, and most people in the world are not); no amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. There are plenty of places online to post a profile about yourself, but Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, with all that that entails. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:35, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Section blanking

Hi. What template should I use to warn a user for section blanking, not page blanking? Thanks. SeaCardinal (talk) 11:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Never mind, I found out. SeaCardinal (talk) 11:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Why is wikipedia not allow short links?

Why is wikipedia not allowing short links? Fortniter2728 (talk) 12:50, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't exactly know the reason. I'm guessing it's to prevent people from hiding virus links as legitimate ones but you should probably wait for another owner to either confirm or deny my answer. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 13:08, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

If you're talking about url shorteners, its because they allow editors to get around the spam filter, make it difficult to see where links lead and there's no reason to use them when there's no limit on article length. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 13:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

If however you're talking about edits like these [4], [5], [6], the reason they are being removed is because they are spam. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 17:08, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Create spanish article from existing english article

whats the easiest way to go about creating a spanish version of an already existing english wikipedia article. Keep in mind i cannot speak spanish and im not very tech savy or familiar with the codinging for building these articles 190.58.17.51 (talk) 12:54, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

190.58.17.51, if you don't speak spanish, then please don't. Machine translations are seldomly (almost never) of a good enough quality to be usefull. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:24, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Like what Victor Schmidt says, don't translate if you don't actually speak spanish. While machine translations (i.e Google Translate) have gotten more accurate with languages such as Spanish, it is still not recommended as it may end up becoming Engrish (which is basically where you translate something from a different language and it ends up becoming something that makes no sense). Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 15:22, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

General guidance is at Translate us, but I agree with Victor. You might like to ask for help at es:WP:Café/Archivo/Ayuda/Actual. I confess I'm wondering why somebody who doesn't speak Spanish wants to create an article in es-wiki, and coming up with promotion as the most likely answer. If that is it, please don't! A Wikipedia article is not for the benefit of the subject. --ColinFine (talk) 15:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Robert Héliès

Hello. Could someone combine the infoboxes on Draft:Robert Héliès? Could you make it a bit like Petr Cech's infobox? I don't know how to do this. Thank you. Paul Vaurie (talk) 13:28, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Paul Vaurie Done. For future reference, you can add |module= to the first infobox and then put the second infobox, as in Special:Diff/1017564363 Joseph2302 (talk) 13:54, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll try to remember that. Paul Vaurie (talk) 14:24, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Creating a bio wikipeida page

How do i go about creating a bio page for my director? How much does it cost? How much does it cost to have an author to create his page? 23.126.192.51 (talk) 14:08, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Before doing anything though you should check that your director meets Wikipedia's guidelines for WP:Notability, i.e. they must have been covered in depth in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, if the required sourcing does not exist the article will simply be deleted. after that you should read the advice at WP:Conflict of interest to understand how to write an article when you have a conflict of interest with the person you are writing about. If you believe the person meets our inclusion criteria and that you can write an article that would not be advertising or promotion I would recommend that you use the WP:Articles for creation process which will involve another editor reviewing your draft reviewed before being added to the encyclopaedia. There is no fee or charge for submitting an article, everyone here is a volunteer freely donating their time and the servers are funded entirely through charitable donations. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 14:18, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

There are people who offer to create articles for pay, but there is no guarantee (and they are not allowed to offer their services through/at Wikipedia). David notMD (talk) 15:20, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

There are, but it's a good idea to have a little bit of knowledge about our policies before deciding to go that way. If the person would clearly fail our notability guidelines there is no point asking a paid editing company to write an article, as it'll be pretty much instantly deleted as WP:A7 or WP:G11 as soon as it is created. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 15:48, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

If they aren't notable, don't. If they are notable, it is free, however you will want to read the conflict of interest page (which IP ending in 109.101 linked above) as from what you stated it seems like you have a conflict of interest. If you are being paid by your director to create the page, please state it on your userpage. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 15:24, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Note also that if Wikipedia does have an article about your director (whoever writes it) the article will not belong to him, neither he nor you will control its content, and it should be based entirly on what sources wholly unconnected with him have published about him (in reliable places) whether he likes what they say about him or not. See An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 15:33, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Same applies if your director is a her or a them. David notMD (talk) 16:38, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

In general, I'd recommend against hiring a paid editor. The problem is that while there are editors who follow our policies when creating articles for pay, many that you will find do not and instead create articles against Wikipedia's policies. In those cases there is a very real risk that the article will be deleted and you'll lose any money that you have paid. If it was possible to tell which was which things would be different, but my experience has been that the ones who do not follow policies will claim that they do, making it very hard to know if you are hiring someone who is above board. You are much better off following the advice above and creating the article yourself - so long as you are open about your conflict of interest and create it as a draft through articles for creation, it is possible for you to do so within policy. That said, it is not possible to create an article yourself (or through a paid editor) unless you can show that there is considerable indepenedent coverage of your director in independent sources. YOu will be looking for multiple newpaper articles, for example, which discuss the director in depth. - Bilby (talk) 21:58, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

LaTeX not rendering

So, I've noticed that the LaTeX doesn't render anymore when reading, but it does render when using visual editor. Why is that? Thingy-1234 (talk | contribs) 15:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Is there a specific article that you're having an issue with, or does this occur on all articles? 86.23.109.101 (talk) 15:46, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@86.23.109.101 It occurs on all articles (for example, Angle). Thingy-1234 (talk | contribs) 18:53, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Thingy-1234 does it work if you open the page in an incognito window or log out? Have you recently changed anything in your account preferences, browser or computer/phone? 86.23.109.101 (talk) 19:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@86.23.109.101 My school doesn't let me go into incognito mode. I'll try logging out. Thingy-1234 (talk | contribs) 19:50, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Hm, it does work. I'll look at my preferences. Thingy-1234 (talk | contribs) 19:52, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Thingy-1234 Have you recently changed anything in the maths section in Preferences → Appearance → Details? 86.23.109.101 (talk) 19:55, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Fixed it, thanks! Thingy-1234 (talk | contribs) 19:58, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Thingy-1234: This might be strange, but does anything happen when you adjust your browser's zoom level? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu Doesn't seem like it. Thingy-1234 (talk | contribs) 18:53, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Update image

Hi there, I was wondering if someone could help me. I’m trying to update the image on Monica Lennon MSP’s wikipedia as it was taken in 2016 and is no longer accurate to her current Twitter profile image : https://twitter.com/monicalennon7/status/1381911208157151234?s=21

If someone could help it would be much appreciated :) Advancededits7 (talk) 16:09, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

I don't think pictures from Twitter are allowed. But if another host says they're allowed then you could probably update the image yourself. Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 16:13, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Advancededits7: You can't just use a new photo that happens to be on someone's Twitter account because of copyright restrictions. Any photo used on Wikipedia for living people must be licenced CC BY-SA and in practice that severely limits what we can use. See Commons:Licensing for more details on this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Duty Relief

I signed up to become a Teahouse host and an Adopter a while ago. However, over 2020, I have been editing on here less frequently, then came back to it during the later months of that year. I signed up for those roles out of wanting to try new things. However, I have realized that I should stick to what I do best, fighting vandalism. Is there any way that I can relieve myself of those duties, i.e. just remove myself from the lists of Teahouse hosts and Adopters? LPS and MLP Fan (Littlest Pet Shop) (My Little Pony) 16:23, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@LPS and MLP Fan: As far as being a host goes, I think inactive ones are removed from the roster after six months, but that's done manually. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi LPS and MLP Fan. Go right ahead and edit:

1. Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters;
2. Wikipedia:Teahouse/Host landing; and
3. Wikipedia:Teahouse/Hosts/Database reports/Automated invites

to remove yourself (as implied at the last link, you should couple that with dropping a note at User talk:Jtmorgan that you have removed yourself from the inviter list [though they will also be pinged by this mention to this thread]). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:45, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

How to remove a Redirect page?

A - First I made a small edit on the "Henri Richard" page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Richard) and removed the redirect for 'Pocket Rocket" to snooker player Graeme Dott (as his nickname is in fact "Pocket Dynamo"). B - Then I tried to remove the redirect on Graeme Dott's page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graeme_Dott) but didn't manage. C - Removed the redirect for Graeme Dott on the redirect page "The Pocket Rocket" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pocket_Rocket) which left this empty and I don't know how to remove the page. Sorry, a bit of a mess. Any guidance on offer? Thanks. Jules van Dooren Jules van Dooren (talk) 16:49, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

The place to ask for problematic redirects to be deleted is WP:Redirects for discussion. In this case I've retargeted the redirect to the article on the hockey player, as they do seem to go by that nickname, and removed the hatnote from the snooker player's article, as the redirect no longer points there. I think that fixes the issue? 86.23.109.101 (talk) 16:58, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Yes it does and thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jules van Dooren (talk • contribs) 17:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Published page not showing up

I created a page (I guess it is called an article), published it and it doesn't come up when I search the individual I created it for. As the user (myself) when I search that name it comes up. Can I change the user to the person's name I did the article about or how would I make the article about this person come up in a search? Thank you! Jazzchic (talk) 17:09, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Is this the page you're refering to - User:Jazzchic/sandbox? If so the reason it isn't showing up is because it is in your userspace - the name starts with User:. It needs a bit of clean-up and formatting before it can be accepted as a page in the main encyclopedia, e.g. the references need formatting so that people can tell what information came from which source, guidance can be found in the manual of style. I would recommend you use WP:Articles for creation for your first article, which will involve an experienced editor reviewing your article for formatting, Notability and content before being moved into the encyclopaedia. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 17:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Jazzchic, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have created a draft in your sandbox User:Jazzchic/sandbox. I have added a header which allows you to submit it for review when it is ready: but please don't do that yet. Please have a good look at your first article and referencing for beginners. It looks as if you have written from what you know: I'm afraid that Wikipedia is not the slightest bit interested in what you know (or what I know, or what any random person on the internet knows): it is only interested in what has been published in reliable sources, independent of the subject. I haven't looked at your references (you haven't formatted them to make it easy) but it looks to me as if they are routine announcements, and so do not contribute to notability - and unless you can find the references that will establish notability, your draft will never be accepted. I notice that this draft is the only thing you have edited on Wikipedia. Apart from saying that this is like "I'm new to building, and I'm going to start by building a house" - it's really, really, hard for a new editor to create an article - I want to ask whether you have some connection with Frazier. If you do, you have at the very least a conflict of interest in writing about him. If you are in any way employed or paid to publicise him, then you are a paid editor, and are required to make a formal declaration of that. And if you are Frazier, then please know that autobiography is strongly discouraged. If the draft is accepted as an article, it will not belong to Frazier, will not be controlled by him or his associates, and it will not necessarily say what he says or wants to say about himself. --ColinFine (talk) 17:28, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Going forward: Improve the draft (refs for all facts, etc.); submit to Articles for Creation for review; being processed by a reviewer can be in days, weeks, or (sadly) months, as there are thousands of drafts; if Declined, try to fix it; if accepted, it becomes an article that anyone can subsequently edit. Lastly, there is a lag period of up to months between being accepted and being 'found' by a search engine such as Google. P.S. "Publish changes" means save, not 'published.' David notMD (talk) 17:50, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Isn't It Prohibited For Editors To Create Articles They Are Associated To?

I'd like an admin to have a look at the discussion I am having on Carlton K. Mack. Megtetg34 (talk) 18:00, 13 April 2021 (UTC) Megtetg34 (talk) 18:00, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Conflict of interest editing is very strongly discouraged, and often has other issues that are against policy (e.g. using Wikipedia for promotion) but technically it isn't against policy to edit pages on things you are associated with. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 18:22, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Megtetg34. Answering your headline, technically, no, it isn't. The conflict of interest guideline actually only has "strong" recommendations as to what editors with a COI should and should not do. The only enforceable related policy in the area we have is WP:PAID (in that regard, please note the template series {{uw-paid1}}, {{uw-paid2}} and escalating as a method of putting the requirements into practice), which is now incorporated into the COI guideline. However, the language in the body of the COI guideline has evolved to almost sound like prohibitions and enforceable strictures; many users describe and refer to these recommendations as having teeth, and in my view, the way we treat the guideline and the language in the interior should result in a change to its introductory language and status, but that has yet to happen.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:33, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks guys. I was under the impression that there was zero tolerance on editing like that, but I understand. Thank sagain. Megtetg34 (talk) 20:03, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Brand new to Wikipedia

All, I'm brand new to the platform, and I jumped in with a few edits, but I have absolutely no idea if they are helpful or not. Is there any sort of feedback system to explain if these changes were useful?

Thank you so much, John NerdOfAllTrades42 (talk) 18:53, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

There isn't necessarily a feedback system besides the thanks button. I will take a look at your recent contributions and let you know if they are helpful! Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 18:56, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

NerdOfAllTrades42 I have taken a look at all of your contributions and they all seem to be very helpful. If you would like to continue copy-editing more articles then you might want to take a look at WP:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors Blaze The Wolf | Proud Furry and Wikipedia Editor (talk) 19:02, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox

Hello, I was curious as to whether other people can my sandbox without me submitting it for review, thanks Aiden LaBonne (talk) 19:37, 13 April 2021 (UTC) Aiden LaBonne (talk) 19:37, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Memerman69: Hello Aiden LaBonne and Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, other people can see what is in there (thats why the save button is labeled "publish changes"). However, they won't normally edit the content, unless they have a good reason. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

@Memerman69: Just to be clear, every page here is public, and all previous versions of pages are also public, anyone can look in the page history and find out what used to be on the page. If you have accidentally added something to that page that you did not intend to be public please use WP:Requests for oversight to get it removed from the public record. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 20:11, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

You can also request deletion of the page, Memerman69 (see WP:U1). This will mean that no one, apart from administrators, will be able to see it or its history. Oversight, mentioned in the comment above, has the additional effect of hiding deleted content even from administrators. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

1968 NAIA football season

I want to enter the 1968 W-L records for the Northwest Conference onto this page(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_NAIA_football_season), but do not entirely understand how to do it by looking at this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1968_NAIA_football_season&action=edit&section=1

Can you help?

Thank you very much. 75.164.176.76 (talk) 20:38, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! You would first create a template such as Template:1968 Northwest Conference football standings and then add it to 1968 NAIA football season. Checking out some of the other templates might be helpful. Or, you could ask for assistance at the article's talk page - Talk:1968 NAIA football season - and provide a reliable source for the records. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:30, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

It might also be helpful to check out Help:A quick guide to templates and Help:Templates. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Voyage of the Thundergods

How does someone go about getting the evolution of the world added to Wikipedia?

“When a button is pushed to go back in time, you will return to the time the button was pushed.” - Echoes of Atlantis, by Eirik Sinclair

Voyage of the Thundergods

Three Days, Two Knights – The Olympic Saga!

Birth of a Civilization – An oubliette, a prison within a desert bears its fruit. Man is no longer a robust and naturally occurring animal. Hard labor and scant nutrition has thinned man to the point where a physical evolution takes place. Speed, flexibility, and range of movement are increased. The Greeks mix with the Egyptian profile and create a new race of beings. Egypt, Israel, the City of Troia and back to Greece, is the trek followed by land. The Scottish Race is erected in Greece. The Aenglish Race is created from those rebelling from this forced state of breeding, in Mesopotamia. Blue eyes are created. The Cretan Bull, 4th King of Crete, Samson of Jewish heritage which evolves into the future medieval line of Henry VIII of Irish heritage, an English/Scottish mix, takes his thrown. Forcing each Greek family to sacrifice a child to this endeavor by sea, Atlantis forms its first ring. India is created as a Well for those who wish to follow the path by Zeus. Helen of Sparta, consort to the Cretan King, is sent to Troia to mix with the Aenglish Race from Mesopotamia. A mix of inbreeding devolution and discipline from royal excess create Helen of Troy. Racial/Sexist tones cause Greece, the world’s first civilization to fall as each side favors their station (ingredient) over the broader Greek form (recipe). The 1st naval citadel of Atlantis, Crete, is abandoned as it needs to move West to avoid the culture clash.

The Greek World was becoming effeminate due to the choices that wives take against their husbands. Also, due to the choices men make as they take brides from Sister States, such as Troia. Two marriages were the obvious solution. One to reduce size and girth in the human form, and another to sustain thought and strength from Royal lineage. Heroic voyages during youth are simply the search for brides in Sister States. Olympic marriages are simply the continuation of a genetic line. Racial/Sexist conflict due to the burgeoning populations of both marriages, growing within a home state, force a need to found a new home. Helen of Sparta, is a she wolf. Taken to South America in 754 BC as punishment for opening the Gates of Troy, she suckles both Rome and Carthage. Romulus and Remis. The Pillars of Heracules. From Peru, Helen’s children are taken to Cuba & Japan in the Oriental Trade, serving the third ring of Atlantis and the fourth Olympic Ring. Romulus, Washington DC, becomes the capital. Remis, the son of Mar, starts the melting pot within an Equatorian cave. The Origins of Indians. So begins the Religion of Thor in North America, until the Battle of Uppsala Sound in 791 AD. The Viking Age in Europe begins in 793 AD at Lindenferne with a leaderless army seeking revenge.

As written in Greek History (despite all the coded flummox), King Philip II of Macedon and his General Attalus had prepared for war against Asia due to the incursion of western Greece. The Epirus Region in western Greece was heavily inhabited by antecendents of Sysyphus the Egyptian, or modern day Asians. When Alexander I was coming of Age, King Philip II determined that his marriage to his first wife was an attempt to overthrow his rule. As she was truly a Cleopatra, a descendant line of Sysyphus. Speculating that his son was indeed Alexander Sysyphus... or a bastard, he then plotted his retreat due to their aversion to his invasion plans. Distraught over his marital strife, he divorced and remarried, to father a Royal son of Greece. As misdirection to Alexander I (Pharaonic son), King Philip II (Greek son) gives the appearance of sinking into drunken debauchery instead of planning his invasion of Persia. The historical conquests of Alexander the Great are all but a Stratagem, for they actually belonged to King Philip II. After winning many battles, and driving further than anyone had gone before, King Philip II collected his generals from their eastern regions and made for an exit as they could not sustain the war indefinitely. Word was sent of his army’s defeat, and Alexander I and his court concocted the stories to be told upon his supposed death. Word was dispatched that Attalus who sent word of the defeat, as he would be the only survivor, was to be executed. A replacement was seated. It is to be noted that Attalus had the pleasure of poisoning Alexander in Egypt, as retribution for the death decree. A replacement seated?

Alexander the Great, being Prometheus of Scotland, is held to his lofty throne until Greece dissolves from its internal Racial/Sexist strife as his (Olympic) father Philip II circles over Greece (West & East) with more sons. Herakles, the lowly son of Greece, more brawn than brains, but still greater than humans, embodies the six royal Sister States of Persia that circle around the Peloponnese as Zeus of Arcadia, the internal nation. Descending from Samson & Sampson, those who completed two of the ancient challenges from Temples, he then becomes a Hero by sea for the working class. Occupying 10 islands during his own pursuit around the world, he acts as Union Boss to complete ten ancient challenges as Regent of Persian forces (Titan). Ancient Philosophers of Greece rising from Egypt (French/Roman) give him his knowledge from Crete. The Fleur-de-lis path follows the Greccan King as it branches out in all directions to control a birth of royal tyranny. With each nation conquered enroute, the once bald Philosophers of Greece coated their heads with the Golden Fleece.

Acting as King Aegeus, Philip the true king of Greece was now on the run. Establishing Viking rule, he proceeded to drain Carthage of its inhabitants. Alexander on the other hand, spread Philip II’s genes throughout the Epirus Region, as he truly was his half breed son. After Roman sieges began in Greece, the children of Sysyphus retreated along what would become the Silk Road in an exodus, that which would lead to China. There, Alexander’s children would spread the Greek Emperor’s military mind as Mongols. The first Emperor of China followed shortly thereafter. With none guarding Greece, Rome began to occupy its territories. Mongols would then become the remnants of Persians (body) and Monks (mind) who mixed from the second tier of royalty. Romans then started the Punic Wars in Carthage. The 2nd naval citadel of Atlantis, Sicily, falls during this time. The 3rd naval citadel, Cuba, was erected during the Nordic Era from those fleeing the Mediterranean along with Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus and his 300 pound men in 133 BC. Nordic double-bladed rule reigns over two Great Oceans. Mar, son of Aegeus, ruled from Equador. Persephone & Pandora guard an emerging 4th ring of Atlantis which never materializes. The Templar Order splits in two, the schism gives Rome a second citadel.

Nordic Era began circa 1200 BC – America was colonized by Viking voyages as per the Greenland Sagas. The discovery had taken place by circling the globe at the equator. Following the coastal highway north, the Nordic Realm is discovered with a short trip back to Europe. The African nation of Carthage, one of the two pillars of Heracules, moves to the Baltic Sea. The Nordic World is born. The Voyage of the Thundergods, as it was called in 250 BC, is followed by the Roman Governor of Carthage, Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus due to the Racial/Sexist tones of the time. Thracian field workers moved to Carthage become the Olmecs, Indians then take their place upon the American continent. The line of Tiberius, or Henry VIII, would evolve into the Byzantine Empire from the maritime operation. The three rings of Atlantis - Greek, Roman, Nordic. All with citadels for the Aenglish, the Scottish, and the combination Swedish royalty. C4, it’s explosive.

Mount Vesuvius 79 AD – A volcanic eruption buries the Cities of Pompeii and Herculaneum. Destroying two of the three cities which were dedicated to the Nordic Realm. Racial/Sexist tones smell the blood of destruction and start the flood which will eventually destroy the Nordic Era. The Grecco-Roman War envelops the Old World. With the remnants of Greece growing in the Orient, the Vikings invaded from the Pacific, the stories of Monsters. Having mixed with Rome, the now Scottish Vikings mix with the Oriental trade, giving rise to those who would continue the Templar tradition. Choros Island, off the coast of Peru, was the portal for all traffic returning from Asia. Peru, Mesoamerica (Mexico), Cahokia (Chicago) and back to Europe is the trek taken by those tribes populating Sweden (English Indians) and Scotland (Greek Indians). In 791 AD, Atlantis falls in one final battle between Royal lines in the Battle for Uppsala Sound. Those people of the Religion of Thor who did not return to Europe became the American Indians, and widow Sabine Women (witches).

The ruins were incorporated into the Byzantine Empire. The island of Thera being the Pharaonic citadel during Greccan Times, a Gold Coast being created from Roman Times, and Brazil being the port for Egyptian travel from what was the Old World. In 985 AD, after three evolutions of the white race with American Indians, each English/Irish Viking ship heading down the East Coast of America to Roanoke (NY) was attacked. One by one, they were overwhelmed by Skraelingar (famished citizens) and Staves (Indian escorts). These entities were consolidated into the Federated States of America in 1040 AD, which armed and militarized the tribes favorable to them. Vikings are faced with their half breed Templar. William the Conqueror takes control of America from the Danes in 1066 AD. By 1068 AD, the Vikings were all but wiped out. In 1101 AD, the first Magna Carta was signed, giving ownership to the colonies which were created by those who supplanted the Nordic Realm. Had Liefr Ericsson not survived the assault in 985 AD, and entered America through the northern Templar exit portal, the events that were transpiring would not have reached the Sinclair family, those who represented America in the Byzantine Empire. A mix of Scottish Templar and Norwegian Vikings (Luther).

The white ape had been extinct for 2,000 years, whereas the white race had evolved three times in Greccan times alone. The half breed children of Greece continue the war into the Medieval Era, as Roman half breed children take a foothold in America. The Irish army that King Arthur brings back with him from America returns the Romans to the Italian Peninsula. A French Connection is formed by the blending of forces. Rome moves to Southern France, home of the Templar. In 1307 AD, with the Vikings already gone and the English/Irish Templar in desperation, the Hail Mary which King Philip II of Greece began over 1,600 years earlier came to an end… history erased. With the loss of England due to the black plague, North America is now completely controlled by Scottish forces. What remained of those people brought to Choros Island in South America? Templar Portal, Jaguar Skye Gods... it's all Alien theory held within the wardrobe.

Having survived the fracas, Liefr Ericsson convenes the western tribes favorable to his plight. The stage was now set for the birth of the future United States of America with the Orion Armistice of 1255 AD in Iceland. The United States begins in 1776. With Nordic forces growing again within the country, Union forces that had been created by the union of Nordic people and the Egyptian people rebelled from the agreement. In 1863 AD, they crush the Confederate States of America in an act of Insurrection in a time before edicts became law. The racially equal blending of Greek mind and Egyptian body had overthrown its Father, he who had tried to preserve the Egyptian body and were to continue the Greek mind in their purest form. A patriarchal/matriarchal War. Robert E. Lee was a Union officer assigned to lead the Nordic population to fight, so they could be exterminated as Scottish forces (Romulus-Soccer) feared (Remis-Football) populations. They belonged to a Confederacy that wrote, and was created by the Constitution of the United States. To preserve the Greek heritage of philosophers (both Patriarchal and Matriarchal tribes) which took 40,000 years to produce. Those men who founded and circled the globe, creating the Atlantis and Olympic myths. Japan, Madagascar, the Templar portages in Europe, the plague (Walls of Derry). The Olympic feat reduced to ashes and dust. Another white race exterminated.

by Zeus of Arcadia, Son to Helen of Macedon 173.28.240.153 (talk) 00:34, 14 April 2021 (UTC)