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October 21

Holly Earl's double

Watching The Doctor, the Widow and the Wardrobe I feel sure I've seen Holly Earl before, but no — unless we count a very small part at age 7. So, she must strongly resemble someone else (besides her sister Elizabeth, whom I haven't seen in anything either). Got any ideas who? —Tamfang (talk) 04:22, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

She's got a little bit of a Michelle Trachtenberg thing going on. Maybe her? --Jayron32 04:57, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, no, I'm a Buffy fan so I'd notice ... —Tamfang (talk) 05:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe you're thinking of Miley Cyrus or Sasha Pieterse Google search link for Sasha. Dismas|^(talk) 05:22, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Haven't seen either of them. Oh well, knew it was a long shot! —Tamfang (talk) 05:02, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

MODOK

I just finished reading a thick omnibus of Marvel comics. There is this particular story on MODOK. When asked what it means, he says it means Mobile Organism Designed Only for Killing. But the Wikipedia MODOK page says Mental Organism Designed Only for Killing. I changed it, but it keeps getting reverted. So, Mobile or Mental? Bonkers The Clown (talk) 05:58, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This says "mental": http://www.comicvine.com/modok/29-3709/. However, I get 29,700 Google hits for "Mobile Organism Designed Only for Killing" versus 53,000 Ghits for "Mental Organism Designed Only for Killing". This suggests that both are used. This wouldn't be the first acronym to have a dual meaning. (ZIP code can mean Zone Improvement Plan or Program.) StuRat (talk) 16:21, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Might not even be the first time Marvel Comics changed its mind about the meaning of an acronym! —Tamfang (talk) 05:03, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yea i know. Just like SHIELDs meaning. So... Both should be included in the main? Bonkers The Clown (talk) 05:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The comics style guide suggests including both if they are indeed alternate names. It's good that you've already started a discussion about this on the article's talk page. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 05:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Haiku in "The Last Samurai"

In the course of the narrative of the film The Last Samurai the samurai lord Katsumoto (played by Ken Watanabe) struggles to compose a haiku about flowers. He completes it literally with his dying breath, uttering the phrase "they are all perfect". I want to know the entire poem but I don't have access to a copy of the film, or the time to watch a whole movie just to catch a few words. Roger (talk) 13:05, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/The_Last_Samurai I can combine two quotes:

The perfect blossom is a rare thing. 
You could spend your life looking for one, 
and it would not be a wasted life.
Perfect.  They... are all... perfect.

Is that a proper Haiku ? StuRat (talk) 16:27, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Not a haiku at all, it's far too long - I obviously misremembered. I wonder if it would have the right prosody in Japanese to even be a proper poem. Roger (talk) 20:11, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Invaders from Saturn

This is a longshot, but does anyone know what film I'm vaguely recalling from when I was a little kid? I saw it on TV sometime around 1960, so it could have been from any time in the 1950s. A spaceship arrives from Saturn -- I think it was saucer-shaped, and it was very large. The army is waiting for it with rifles ready. A long staircase comes down from the ship, and an alien shaped like a person, dressed in what looks like medieval armor, starts to walk down the stairs. A nervous army rifleman shoots the alien, and he comes tumbling down the stairs. That's all I can remember. Duoduoduo (talk) 15:12, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Day the Earth Stood Still, although the origin isn't listed as being Saturn, to my knowledge. Also, you've conflated the alien robot (Gort) which serves as a bodyguard and looks like he is wearing armor, with the human-looking alien (Klaatu) who is shot. (At first, Klaatu wears a helmet that makes him look like a smaller version of Gort.) This is a classic sci-fi film in that it portrays the aliens as benevolent and us as evil, or at least prone to panic, the reverse of the typical portrayal. StuRat (talk) 16:07, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's the one. And please watch the original 1951 movie, monochrome and all. The 2008 remake ... the less said, the better. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 18:39, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And, if you like your aliens evil, then my fave is To Serve Man (The Twilight Zone). It even made it into a Simpsons parody. StuRat (talk) 21:50, 21 October 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Nope, that's not the one. I'm familiar with that one, and like it. Duoduoduo (talk) 20:58, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe Earth vs. the Flying Saucers? Saucers and Earthlings shooting at clunky armored beings, but still no Saturn, stairs or tumbling down thereof. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:51, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Worf in Star Trek: The Next Generation

What is the significance of the diagonal silver coloured sash that Worf wears? Kittybrewster ☎ 15:46, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's a Klingon warrior's sash. See http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Baldric. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 16:03, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It's significance is that it shows he retains his traditional Klingon identity and values. The conflict between those and his Federation identify and values is featured in several episodes of TNG, such as Reunion. StuRat (talk) 16:04, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Memory Alpha has the answer: "Worf was permitted a variation from the Starfleet uniform dress code, and wore a Klingon warrior's sash, sometimes called a baldric by Humans, over his regular duty uniform." We also have a Baldric article that mentions it. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 16:09, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Are any other Klingon characters shown walking around with such sashes? 109.99.71.97 (talk) 22:02, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Memory Alpha article listed above contains a list of Klingons who have been seen wearing baldrics. 69.62.243.48 (talk) 22:20, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is a good day to make a fashion statement. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I am not sure if that's laugh-out-loud funny, or just plain racist. μηδείς (talk) 02:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's funny. Klingons have a motto about it being "a good day to die", so this plays on it. I don't see any racism in it (especially as there is not actually any such race as Klingons). ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 17:04, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I got the joke, Bugs. Apparently you didn't get mine. Next we'll be hearing from the Klingon Anti-Defamation League. μηδείς (talk) 17:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

OK, we're good. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:50, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I got Clarityfiend's joke, but not your reply. Care to explain it, Medeis ? StuRat (talk) 22:51, 22 October 2012 (UTC) [reply]

It was indeed a funny comment, but my feigned concern that I might should feel guilty for enjoying the possible racist content showed a humorous (I thought) juxtaposition between real-world preoccupations and utter unreality. μηδείς (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sometimes, something we find funny is funny only to ourselves. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:33, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If you are implying that you took my concern for possible anti-Klingitism so seriously you couldn't see the joke, then yes, that is very, very funny--or hugely flattering to me. μηδείς (talk) 03:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't sure if you meant it or not. Ya never know. There was someone here recently who accused English-speakers who make fun of other English-speakers' ways of saying things as "racists". It can be hard to know when such an accusation is serious or not. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's only one way to settle this: bat'leths at dawn. Clarityfiend (talk) 07:15, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How about a food fight ? I'll throw the first plate of gagh. StuRat (talk) 04:10, 26 October 2012 (UTC) [reply]

Thank God we have a rule that helps us manage when we're uncertain: Assume Good Faith. It even applies in many cases when we're certain. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 02:55, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Huuh? Clarityfiend (talk) 04:49, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Where to view the matches of the 2010 FIFA World Cup?

Is there any website or torrent perhaps that contains the matches from the 2010 FIFA World Cup. For example, if one wanted to relive these moments, which I'm sure many people do. Nicholasprado (talk) 21:47, 21 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think you would have to buy the DVD [1]. --Viennese Waltz 12:12, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 22

Film: The Man Who Barked Like a Dog

I have been unable to find any information about the film in the headline above.

I saw it only once, on late night television on a Michigan station in the 1960's. (It could possibly have been a British film.) It had a moral message and a protagonist somewhat similar to Scrooge in Dicken's "A Christmas Carol."

Briefly, a wealthy, insensitive and abusive businessman miraculously is turned into a dog, retaining his human mental capacity and memory, and is faced with the difficulty of survival as a dog. Ironically, he is able to accomplish this by befriending a young boy to whom he had been unkind before his transformation, and who, of course, sees him only as a stray dog, and, soon, his dog. When, near the end of the film, unknown to the child, the man is restored to his human form - and the dog disappears, the boy is brokenhearted. The conclusion is a very touching scene in which the man, whom the boy knew only as an antagonist, attempts to form a relationship with him without telling him the unbelievable truth, and eventually simulates a game they used to play, known only to the two of them - by getting on all fours, and finding, picking up with his mouth, and dropping at the boy's feet, the very twig that the boy used to throw for him to retrieve. The boy, suddenly enlightened, tearfully exclaims, "You're...my... dog!"

The man was played by an actor I can best describe as being reminiscent of Peter Ustinov. The setting, as I recall it, was an industrial city, possible in the early twentieth century.

No research I have attempted has yielded any information to indicate that this film ever existed, and I can't understand how such a well realized and entertaining film could have disappeared without leaving a trace. Can Wikipedia solve the mystery? Curious in NYC (talk)

The Man Who Wagged His Tail. --Viennese Waltz 12:07, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Better known (in English) as "An Angel Passed Over Brooklyn".--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:56, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And it really was Peter Ustinov! Alansplodge (talk) 01:49, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Please tell me more, Alansplodge!Curious in NYC (talk) 07:26, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

He just means that the actor in the film who you remembered as being "reminiscent of Peter Ustinov" really was Peter Ustinov – he starred in the film. --Viennese Waltz 07:56, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sharpe DVD Box Set Collection - Missing Battle Map

I bought the Sharpe 16 DVD Box Set Collection (second-hand) as a present for someone but the 19th Century Battle Map wasn't with it. Does anyone knoe where can I get a copy of it ? --90.152.3.186 (talk) 12:52, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's very unfortunate. This is easy for me to say, but you should probably have asked the seller whether the box was complete before you bought it. There are a number of copies for sale on eBay with the map included, but I can't imagine anyone would want to sell you the map on its own as that would mean another incomplete copy of the box. Good luck. --Viennese Waltz 13:40, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, it might be easier to return your purchase and claim a refund, and then buy the complete item elsewhere.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:35, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Although the chances of the seller agreeing to a refund are I would say remote. --Viennese Waltz 15:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I got it from I store called Cash Converters, I that helps. 90.152.3.186 (talk) 11:05, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You may have some luck asking if they will exchange it for another copy in-store that has the map. 209.131.76.183 (talk) 19:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that that was they only copy that they had in the store. 90.152.3.186 (talk) 11:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cash Converters (for those not familiar with them) is a chain of second-hand stores who buy items from walk-in customers and then resells them, as well as lending money, a type of Pawnshop, in fact. The item will therefore almost certainly have been bought by them in its map-less state, and would implicitly have been sold on an "as-seen" basis, so caveat emptor applies. It might even have been priced less than if it had been complete, although the deficiency might not have been noticed. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 84.21.143.150 (talk) 13:06, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

song on the radio today

I was shopping tonight and heard a song that I liked. The rest of the music playing in the shop was certainly current charting stuff, so I'll assume the one I'm trying to find is too. I've tried the BBC's top 40 list and couldn't find it, and I tried searching for the small part of the chorus that I think I heard right (but I'm not sure if I did). The singer is male, it has a faintly pop vibe, the intro starts with lovely keyboard melodies, and I think part of the chorus is something like, "come back to me naked". (I don't know if the word was actually naked, I was trying to decipher it at the time but couldn't). Any ideas? 92.13.73.2 (talk) 20:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Stab in the dark: Somebody That I Used To Know? --Jayron32 22:45, 22 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. Know that one! The one I'm thinking of is more poppy. I'm also beginning to wonder if the lyrics were more like, "I want you to come here naked". Of course I'm leading everyone badly astray if the word wasn't really naked. 92.13.73.2 (talk) 07:01, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Could it be Come Back to Me by David Cook? _{Hisham1987 (talk) 21:08, 23 October 2012 (UTC)}[reply]

No. But thank you both for trying! 92.13.73.2 (talk) 06:50, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 23

LOTR questions: Last sentence in Theoden's speech

These are crossover questions of entertainment and language - I decided to post them here.

Undoubtedly the most famous and popular scene in the Lord of the Rings film trilogy is the Rohirrim charge at Minas Tirith. King Theoden delivers his eve-of-battle speech, ending in the final sentence "Ride to/for (?) ruin and the world's ending!"... HD Video.

Does he say "Ride to ruin..." or "Ride for ruin..." - I really can't decide. The creator of the subtitles heard the latter version, but the former has more supporters on the web.
Does this make a difference? Are both versions correct English, and if so, is there a divergence in meaning?
AFAICS "... and the world's ending." can be interpreted in two completely different ways: "... and the world is ending." or "... and the ending of the world." I presume the latter is the right interpretation (is it?), but would the former be at least correct English and make sense?
I don't understand the point in proclaiming the end of the world... they want to raze the evil, not the world as a whole?! So why?

--KnightMove (talk) 20:28, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Subtitles on movie DVDs are generated from a published script whenever possible. Therefore, I would assume he actually says "for" rather than "to", matching the script. I have noticed subtle differences in the text of the subtitles when the actual dialog was inprovised or embellished when filming. I agree that "the world's ending" means "...the ending of the world" in this case. While the contraction "world's" (meaning "world is") is also correct in English, it would make more sense if it came at the beginning of the sentence or as a sentence by itself. Thomprod (talk) 20:47, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tolkien would not have put a contracted present progressive verb in the mouth of an Anglo-Saxon king making a formal pronouncement. Next we'd have Smaug tell Bilbo "I'ma kill all o' yiz. μηδείς (talk) 20:56, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your joke imitates some American underclass slang, doesn't it? --KnightMove (talk) 05:25, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't characterize it in terms of "underclass", but essentially, yes. Literally, "I am going to kill all of you (pl)." "I'ma" (pronounced /ama/) is typical of black speech, "yiz" is typical of NE white working class speech. μηδείς (talk) 16:12, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's worth recalling that in the actual book, these words (with "to" rather than "for") are not spoken by Theoden but are cried out to the Rohirrim by Eomer, in his wrath and despair after the death of Theoden and (he thinks) Eowyn. It's not surprising that in his fey mood Eomer should expect their fate to be ruin and "the world's ending". I haven't seen the films, but this appears to be one of the, perhaps many, instances of Jackson's making senseless changes. Deor (talk) 21:06, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yo Bard, I'm real happy for you and I'mma let you finish, but Earendeil slaying Ancalagon was the one of the best dragon-slayings of all time. OF ALL TIME! Adam Bishop (talk) 21:23, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. Imagine trying to explain that last inside joke to a Martian reading the Ref Desk. Hehehe. μηδείς (talk) 21:26, 23 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen uncounted DVDs in which it was clear that the subtitlers did not have access to the script, so I guess it's not often possible. —Tamfang (talk) 05:45, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Most famous and popular? I barely remember this scene... Dismas|^(talk) 02:41, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You remain free to that, but the bare number of Youtube videos hardly leaves any doubt. --KnightMove (talk) 05:09, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay but I would have put my money on A) Gollum's death scene or B) Gandalf riding down and saving the day at the attack on Helm's Deep. Dismas|^(talk) 16:24, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

See, and I would have put money on the fact that the "YOU SHALL NOT PASS" scene of Gandalf vs. the Balrog would have been the most famous, well known, and cited passage from the trilogy. --Jayron32 17:42, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Whereupon the Balrog, truly pissed at having to repeat a grade, decided to get even. Clarityfiend (talk) 06:50, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And then spread his wings and flew off to the eagles to suggest flying the ring to Mount Doom. Sjö (talk) 09:23, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 24

glitch, mistake, or something else?

I'm interested in buying something from The Price Is Right online store. When I logged in, I clicked on the store. There I tried to buy an item. I was shown a pop-up from another TPIR store. The pop-up told me "access denied" and indicated I wasn't authorized to view the site. I tried contacting the store a few times about this matter, to no avail. Can something be done to fix the problem?142.255.103.121 (talk) 05:55, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like the other TPIR site might be attempting to highjack buyers from the legit site. If so, I certainly wouldn't give them my credit card number. StuRat (talk) 00:58, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

And what is Timothy Bradley doing?

Despite controversially beating Manny Pacquiao last June, it appears that Timothy Bradley's career has gone nowhere while Pacquiao is still going from strength to strength, running for re-election as a congressman next year and having a 4th fight with Juan Manuel Marquez in December. I'm going to ask two questions:

1. Why does it appear that Bradley's career has not gotten any boost in either respect or popularity despite beating Pacquiao? It appears that, after the fight, rather than become a respected boxer and being proclaimed the "next big thing in boxing", he actually lost respect and hasn't been high profile since. It appears that the fight actually harmed his career rather than helped. is this because of the controversial result or is Bradley just really unpopular?

2. What are his plans in the short-term? I knew he wanted a rematch with Pacquiao (or maybe the other way around), but now that that has fallen through, what are his plans? What will be his next fight? And how is his boxing career going? I could read his article, but I'm allergic to semi-protected articles, and I could do a search. I fear that almost all hits will be about Pacquiao. Besides, I'm not even sure that the article will be up-to-date.

Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 11:34, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

identifying tune

could someone tell me what this classical string piece is called. it goes like this:

dut-da dut-da dut-da dut-da daba-daba-daba-daba-daba
dut-da dut-da dut-da dut-da daba-daba-daba-daba-daba....

it's very famous but I forgot what it was and by whom Asmrulz (talk) 18:12, 24 October 2012 (UTC) [reply]
Got it, it's from the Four Seasons, Winter. The part I meant is at 34:00 in the above video. Nevermind:) Asmrulz (talk) 18:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

First video game with a level editor?

Hello, what was the first video game with a built-in level editor? The C64 version of Hungry Horace (1983)? Maybe someone knows at least some games that came out before 1983. --KaterBegemot (talk) 22:44, 24 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lode Runner (also 1983) is a well-known possibility, and is often cited as "one of the first" games to include a level editor. The article for Maze War mentions a level editor which appears to have been developed in the mid-1970s but doesn't seem to have been included as a commercial package. --Canley (talk) 01:32, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There's also the genre of "creator" games like Pinball Construction Set, ALSO from 1983, where the "editor" function is integral to the game: you create the pinball game and then you play it. 1983 seems to have been a banner year for games which introduced the idea of user-created content. Many earlier games, like the Roguelike games, created "levels" on the fly, and had no pre-generated content. Each play though was unique, but that's because the game made levels on demand, rather than using predefined maps, though text games and other games with predefined maps could be hacked and modded that way. The influence of Pinball Construction Set cannot be underestimated: Will Wright (game designer), creator of SimCity cites it as a major influence. Other such games were created in the series, like Adventure Construction Set, Shoot'Em-Up Construction Kit, etc. The first game I remember playing with a level editor was Excitebike on the NES, but that came out in 1985 (1984 in Japan). Several games released by Famicom/NES during that time period also had level editors, including Wrecking Crew (video game). I can't remember any Atari 2600 games with level editors, nor PC games which predate 1983. The Atari 2600 had a cartridge called BASIC Programming which was so limited, you couldn't create a program that did anything more complicated than simple math problems or printing a few lines of text. Many early golfing games allowed rudimentary golf course design, but AFAIK, any such games post-date the mid 1980s. For example, I remember playing Leaderboard (1986), which allowed the player to design their own course by choosing which 18 holes (of the 4 courses included in the game) and in what order they would be played. For sports games, NFL Challenge (1985) was one of my early favorites, given that it was heavily and easily moddable: all of the game data was stored in text files that could be edited with a simple text editor: you could create leagues, teams, and players at will. Very cool if that's your thing; all sports games with a "dynasty mode" basically descend directly from NFL Challenge. Still not earlier than 1983, tho. 1983 may have been the genesis of games which allowed user-generated content, as I can't find much earlier. --Jayron32 02:09, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Found one more, also from 1983: Wizard (1983 video game) had a level editor. --Jayron32 02:13, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pinball Construction Set was actually first released by Budge's own company in 1982. EA picked it up in 1983 and so that's why all the release dates you typically see state 1983. Check out the date on this pre-EA box. Regards, Orange Suede Sofa (talk) 03:10, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Very interesting posts! Thank you for the hints! I wonder if there was an early Atari VCS or Tandy TRS-80 game with a simple editor. Both systems started in 1977 and had big game libraries. Somehow i have the feeling that there must be some pre-1980 games with editors. I'm not sure about Maze War. It's historicaly interesting, but it seems that this level editor was an external program and as far as i know the game wasn't commercially distributed. Does the original Apple II Lode Runner game have a built-in level editor too? Or is this just an option introduced by Hudson for the Famicom version? So with Pinball Construction Set we reached the year 1982 :) If this thread gets archived, please contact me at my talk page if you know some earlier games. --KaterBegemot (talk) 19:51, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 25

How would the Styles of the other districts of Seoul sound different & compare to Gangnam Style?

So, Gangnam Style was named after a district in Seoul. By the way, what dong of Gangnam-gu does Gangnam Style most identify to?

Moreover:

What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Dobong Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Dongdaemun Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Dongjak Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Eunpyeong Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Gangbuk Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Gangdong Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Gangseo Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Geumcheon Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Guro Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Gwanak Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Gwangjin Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Jongno Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Jung Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Jungnang Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Mapo Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Nowon Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Seocho Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Seodaemun Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Seongbuk Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Seongdong Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Songpa Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Yangcheon Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Yeongdeungpo Style?"
What song(s)/style(s) would best be considered "Yongsan Style?"

There has got to be styles for each of the other 24 wards of Seoul, so I hope to get acquainted with every single one of them sometime. Thanks. --70.179.167.78 (talk) 06:45, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PS: It would probably help to bring over some native Koreans to help answer the question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.179.167.78 (talk) 07:21, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Since this appears to be a borderline troll question, I'll just ask you to google the song name, and read a few of the reviews... since it seems to be poking fun at the "upper-east side" version of Seoul. Shadowjams (talk) 08:24, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how you think it's like that. But Gangnam might be the "lower east side" as you'd see on a map in the Gangnam-gu article. I don't know how a search on Gangnam Style would help me find which song types/styles would best match the other districts of Seoul. --70.179.167.78 (talk) 08:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

{{cn}} was the tag you wanted.... but please... don't ever edit my, or anyone else's signed comments. Shadowjams (talk) 08:33, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The OP has (at best) somewhat misunderstood the entire premise of the song. It is not intended to represent a musical style pertaining to the District in question, it is satirising the behavior (or "style") of (some of) the comparatively wealthy inhabitants of the District. We cannot know what songs satirising the behavioral styles of those other Districts will sound like until Psy or someone else writes them - musically, they may well be totally different. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 84.21.143.150 (talk) 13:16, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The help explain, just because there's Chicago-style pizza and New York-style pizza, that doesn't mean that there's also Dallas-style pizza. StuRat (talk) 03:17, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name of Movie

So there was this movie our professor was telling us about, only that he'd forgotten the name of the film, but he described the plot to us. In it, there's this one scene where the wife's cooking, and the husband comes up from behind and grabs her and the wife pours hot oil over him, and the son of the couple sees that and comes and shoots the wife. The dad takes the blame for the shooting, but makes the son promise that he'll take revenge when he grows up. Anyone know which movie this might be? thanks in advance. :) 106.213.54.199 (talk) 19:25, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Grudge 2? 146.145.80.218 (talk) 21:26, 25 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 26

something 's law

What was the name of a British tv series which based on the real life of a lawyer and it started like 's Law and it used to be on PBS every Saturday night? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.31.17.71 (talk) 02:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Garrow's Law, perhaps? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:57, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Murphy's Law or New Street Law ? StuRat (talk) 04:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some more mystery songs (oh boy)

No preface here, just some cool songs I want to know:

I heard some metal song in some game the other day that had a chorus "all together now, one two three" and sounded like it was about the Holocaust.
There's some song that sounds like Motorhead but not that I'm familiar with, that goes like "don't call your mother/don't call your priest", and I keep hearing it in a video game but I don't know what it's called.
A techno song with minimal instrumentation and an ethereal background voice, with the only real words being audio clips that I think are from "The Brave Little Toaster" or something like that
And one very odd song that sounded like a fusion between rockabilly and metal, that opened with the line "four score and seven beers ago"

I think some of these were in Rock Band, but I didn't catch the names. 75.73.226.36 (talk) 02:46, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sheesh. I mean, really. Let us know which of those you still have trouble with after you google them, doing which would have tajen less time than posting this here. μηδείς (talk) 04:07, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I can't trust Google with this...be nice :(. I was hoping someone would know but how can I tell just by a few things...75.73.226.36 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 04:11, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'll reiterate what Medeis has told you to do. I copy pasted your exact lyrics from the two where you provided them (the mother/priest one and the seven beers one) and Google gives clear and unambiguous answers for the likely songs. Check those, and if it isn't those, come back with different information. Furthermore, when you say "in some game" means you've heard the song in a video game. Complete soundtrack listing of songs contained with in video games are all over the internet: if you type the name of the game into Google along with the word "soundtrack", you should get many sources which give a list of songs. You can listen to these songs and figure out which one you heard. Those procedures are exactly what I would do if I were to try to answer this question for you. Since they are so easy to do, you can do them yourself without having to tell us the name of the video games for us to search for you. --Jayron32 05:34, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Figured one out: the second one is a Ween song (surprisingly). I'll go and find the games again to make sure and figure out the first and fourth. The third one had no lyrics and hence I'd still like to know what it is...75.73.226.36 (talk) 11:50, 26 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 27

Spoiler warnings in reviews (again)

I know I have asked this question before, but it appears that no one was able to answer the main question, so here I go again. For example, take the case of this review, which has a spoiler warning, although a rather unusual one. And here's the actual spoiler warning (emphasis mine):

Since it's hard to explain certain events in this series without spoilers, I warn readers to not read this review without seeing a few episodes on their own.
— Jones, Tim. THEM Anime Reviews review of Natsu no Arashi!

As you can clearly see, the spoiler warning is telling the readers to stop reading at all costs and watch the show first before continuing. Granted, the review does give a rating of three stars, but's under the spoiler warning. The point is, what is the point of adding spoiler warnings to reviews that explicitly tells them to not read it if they haven't seen the work in question? I know that people read reviews for different reasons (as pointed out in my previous question), but the fact is that the majority of people read reviews to see if the show or movie they want to see is good or not. They don't need to be spoiled if they don't want to, but telling people to not read the review is sort of strange to me and kind of defeats the purpose. I can understand if they are to add a spoiler warning if they are going to discuss a major plot detail out of the blue, but a spoiler warning that tells readers to see the work first before reading the review seems rather out of place, especially if the person is in the minority who enjoys a work better after it is spoiled (like me) or if the person wants to read the reviewer's thoughts on the work, as well as to read about technical details, before watching. And it's not like the warning is telling them to skip only parts about the plot, but it's telling readers to skip the review as a whole. What are possible rationales for such a move? Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:42, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The author's e-mail is at the bottom of the article. He would be in the best position to answer your question about his warning, especially since you didn't get the answers you wanted the last time you asked the Ref Desk. RudolfRed (talk) 04:44, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

But this question is about the practice in general, not about this specific review. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 04:58, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think you're missing the point. The reviewer says to watch a few episodes first, not the entire series, to familiarize oneself with the apparently complicated setting. Jones presumably goes over the series as a whole assuming the reader is somewhat familiar with the concepts therein. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:46, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Fuckin' Housemartins" - Question about "Confusion" by New Order.

In the version of Confusion found on Substance 1987, shortly after the chanting that closes the song, Bernard Sumner or some other member of the band or crew (definitely male) is audibly heard to say something like "fuckin' housemartins", before hawking up some phlegm and spitting.

Can anyone explain this and perhaps put it in the article? Regards. --Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 16:35, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Some people claim Sumner is saying "fuckin' 'ell, Martin" to Martin Hannett; but I've never seen a reliable source. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 16:41, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My youthful ears can definitely hear an "s" at the end of "martin". --Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 16:49, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cathy_Carr

the Revision history http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cathy_Carr&action=history shows 2 different birth years 1925 and 1936. shows 1930 Census reference making 1925 birth date.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathy_Carr (aged 63) shows on page but NOT on edit-page, but both years 25 & 36 show on edit-page. life years showing would yield age of 52! also Catergories: should be 1925 births if 1925 birth date and age 63 are correct.

Please revise page so that it is consistent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.163.231.224 (talk) 20:43, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It would be better if you made this sort of statement in the discussion page of the relevant article rather than at the reference desk. This is roughly akin to finding a wrongly-shelved book in the British Library so asking the reference desk to sort it out. --Editor510 ^{drop us a line, mate} 21:20, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pogues' favourite football clubs

Does anyone have any idea which football clubs members of The Pogues support? I know Shane MacGowan has showed up on Celtic F.C. music compilations, so I'm guessing that's one. The only reference to clubs I'm aware of in their music is "Billy's Bones," which mentions both Arsenal F.C. and Tottenham Hotspur F.C. neutrally, as far as I can tell. --BDD (talk) 23:07, 27 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ShaneMacGowan.com has a forum where you may get a quicker answer to your question. --TammyMoet (talk) 10:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

October 28

Does anyone know where I could find the first "Championship Manager" for purchasing on DOS

I am seeking to have a collection of these games plus the Football Manager series, thank you very much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicholasprado (talk • contribs) 05:26, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The legality of Abandonware is a little iffy, so I won't provide a link, but try Googling abandonware, which throws up a number of sites where you may or may not be able to download it. - Cucumber Mike (talk) 11:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Final Destination 6 and 7

Hi!, I'm 77 and it's a shame for me to say that I'm a fan of these films, but I am, and I heard and read that Tony Todd had said that if Final Destination 5 was successful, Final Destination 6 and 7 would be filmed back-to-back. Is it true? does anybody know when they're going to film them? Thank you. Iowafromiowa (talk) 12:30, 28 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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 :The legality of [[Abandonware]] is a little iffy, so I won't provide a link, but try Googling abandonware, which throws up a number of sites where you may or may not be able to download it. - [[User:Cucumber Mike|Cucumber Mike]] ([[User talk:Cucumber Mike|talk]]) 11:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
+== Final Destination 6 and 7  ==
+Hi!, I'm 77 and it's a shame for me to say that I'm a fan of these films, but I am, and I heard and read that [[Tony Todd]] had said that if [[Final Destination 5]] was successful, Final Destination 6 and 7 would be filmed back-to-back. Is it true? does anybody know when they're going to film them? Thank you. [[User:Iowafromiowa|Iowafromiowa]] ([[User talk:Iowafromiowa|talk]]) 12:30, 28 October 2012 (UTC)