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December 13

Which derby matches has Michael Owen played in?

Michael Owen has played for Liverpool F.C., Real Madrid, Manchester United and Newcastle United. But did he play in derby matches for all those clubs (against Everton F.C., Atlético Madrid, Manchester City and Sunderland F.C. respectively)? --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 11:22, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Never mind, I just discovered Soccerbase and have confirmed that the answer is yes. --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 11:27, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

Quote: "And so it begins..."

Where does this come from? I've heard it a few times in films and on TV, said rather archly as though consciously making a quotation. Now it starts an advert by a UK supermaket chain See YouTube clip. A Google search just brings up random stuff from all over the net. Help please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alansplodge (talk • contribs)

In 1995 Blur's Country House single started with the words "So the story begins". --TammyMoet (talk) 15:57, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

It's certainly far older than that. StuRat (talk) 19:09, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Ha, yes. Classical antiquity in fact. Its modern use almost certainly derives from the Latin phrase "sic infit" ("so it begins"), one such use occurring in the Metamorphoses of Apuleius and likely numerous other works that pre-date that one. Steve ^T • C 22:37, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks very much for that; however, I can't imagine that Morrisons are aiming their TV adverts at classical scholars. There surely must have been a more recent and popular incarnation of the phrase. Alansplodge (talk) 12:26, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Gotcha! It's from the The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers and is spoken by Théoden as the enemy appears in front of Helm's Deep (actually "So it begins"[1]). I'm not sure if it's in the book too, but it would fit with its classical pedigree. Thanks for looking. Alansplodge (talk) 12:41, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Resolved

Fakest hits

I distinctly remember, in the late 1970s or early 1980s, a greatest hits album being advertised on television. The album was of fairly standard big band, generic 1950s/60s-style pop tunes. Anyway, it later came to light that the singer (last name Whitaker/Whittaker/something similar?) had never actually released an album prior to the "hits" package. In other words, the songs were recorded on the spot in order to assemble a bogus album that would capitalize on the purported (and fictitious) celebrity status of the singer. Google turns up nothing of the sort, and I'm beginning to wonder if I'm the only one who remembers this... Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 15:20, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Probably not the band you're thinking of, but it is happening right now. A band called "Blow it Up" released their first album in June 2012, titled Greatest Hits. The electronic band called Sheep on Drugs did the same thing in 1993. --Jayron32 15:29, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

No, it is neither of those. But thanks! Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 15:43, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure you're not thinking of Roger Whittaker; too early and with lots of hits. Alansplodge (talk) 18:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Nope. Not him. Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 09:26, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

There are quite a few artistes who have released albums titled "Greatest Hits" as their debut albums: from Mrs Miller to Goldie Lookin Chain. This page has a list and some other interesting facts about greatest hits albums. --TammyMoet (talk) 19:02, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Interesting link. Thanks for it! Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 09:26, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

That's an interesting link, to quote: "When Garth Brooks assumed the alter ego of Chris Gaines, his first and only album under the Chris Gaines pseudonym was entitled "Greatest Hits". The whole album acted as if Gaines was already an established singer with several pop hits under his belt, even listing a fake backstory and chart positions in the liner notes." However, our article doesn't mention a "Greatest Hits" album.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:54, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Greatest Hits (Chris Gaines album) Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 09:26, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

It would be even funnier imho to title a debut album Greatest Hits Volume 2. —Tamfang (talk) 21:48, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

• There were a lot of albums released at that time of the format "Lurleen Bumpkin Sings the Greatest County Hits" where an unknown sang what weren't his own prior hits but hits for others. Saturday Night Live parodied this many times, most famously with Eddie Murphy's Buckwheat Sings. μηδείς (talk) 18:50, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

December 14

Album cover artwork: transition from cassette to CD

When CDs became the sure thing, how were all the album artwork from cassettes converted for the larger sized CD artwork? I'm assuming albums released on vinyl were fine, because the images could be reduced in size. Did some albums have to have their covers completely redone (to appear like the cassette album, only wider)? Are there secret vaults for each record company where original artwork is stored? Due to possible enhancements in printing between the decades of vinyl and CD, did some albums see their artwork actually improve in resolution (or appearance, rather)? – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 07:55, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

On the first question, in the vinyl/cassette era it was very rare (if not unheard of) to have an album released only on cassette and not on vinyl as well. So the problem did not arise. On the second question, yes I'm sure that many major record companies have the originals of album artwork stored away somewhere. But if the original is a painting, say, the painter may still have it him/herself, or the artist of the album may have it. On the third question, I don't think this has happened. The artwork on original vinyl copies always looks better than on CD reissues. --Viennese Waltz 08:37, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I'll second what Viennese Waltz has said regarding cassettes. The music industry evolution didn't go vinyl->tape->CD-> digital. Vinyl remained a major medium until the CD. Tapes may have become very popular for their portability and convenience, but certain properties of vinyl records (superior sound quality, ability to pick a specific song, etc.) ensured that vinyl remained a major recorded medium until a medium which replaced its advantages also appeared (as CDs did). There was never a time when artwork was created primarily for the wide cassette case: album artwork has always been designed for the (roughly) square format of first the vinyl album cover and then the CD case. Cassette artwork was always a modified version of one of the other two; either the cassette artwork was distorted (stretched or cut off at the edges) from the original square format, or the square artwork was framed with bars or blank space above and below the artwork. Compare CD/Vinyl and Cassette Tape artwork of David Bowie's album Low: you can see where the Cassette artwork has been cut off from the original, and where there is a red bar at the top of the artwork. Here's another example, the Rush album Moving Pictures: CD/Vinyl and Cassette tape which preserves the original artwork without cutting it off, but fills the leftover space with some extra writing, restating the name of the band and album, and the record label. In my experience, not as much attention was given to producing high-quality artwork for cassette tapes, there often wasn't a consistent effort made to put a really great-looking cover on the cassette, or to faithfully transfer the original artwork in a high-quality way. The good work was done on the LP, and the transfer to the cassette case wasn't given a lot of thought or quality. --Jayron32 14:38, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Wonderful!! Thank you both for your replies! – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 05:38, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

What happened to Raj?

I watched the TV show "The Big Bang Theory" last night (13 Dec. 2012) on CBS, in which it starts out with the men playing Dungeons and Dragons in their apartment, until Raj, having died early, goes out to a bar with the women in the show. One established character feature of Raj is that he can't talk in front of women unless he is drunk. He talked to the women in the apartment before they left a few lines just fine. I didn't see him take a drink in the apartment. Has Raj overcome this in a previous episode, or did I miss him getting drunk in that episode. He didn't act drunk at all during the playing of the game before he lost right before the women came in. 67.163.109.173 (talk) 12:04, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

"having died early"? Evanh2008 ^{(talk|contribs)} 12:06, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, the fictional TV character Raj's Dungeons and Dragons character died in the game early. 20.137.2.50 (talk) 13:23, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

In my D&D experience (although I stopped playing a long time ago, some of my friends play regularly), a session without drinking is unheard of and virtually inconceivable – perhaps he was still mentally 'in character' at the apartment, and his (now deceased) D&D character did not have the problem? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 84.21.143.150 (talk) 12:52, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

In previous episodes, there were several situations where he could talk in front of women:

1) In large groups. Not the case in last night's episode.

2) When drunk. He wasn't drunk when he first started talking to the women last night, so this isn't it.

3) When taking his anti-anxiety meds to remove inhibitions, in the proper dosage. In a previous episode he took too many, which resulted in him stripping naked in front of women, but presumably he now has the dosage right. StuRat (talk) 19:14, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Raj has developed the capability of talking to Penny, Bernadette and Amy. When he was at the bar flirting with women, he had been drinking. 216.93.234.239 (talk) 00:50, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Watched the ep in question last night, at the apartment there is a beer in front of Raj on the table and it was shown in the first instance that it only takes a single sip of alcohol to remove the inhibition, not for him to be actually drunk--Jac16888 ^Talk 11:30, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

He even loses his inhibitions when he thinks he's drinking alcohol. 216.93.234.239 (talk) 23:33, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

A bit like what happened to Angel in "Eternity". —Tamfang (talk) 07:17, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

UK celebrity privacy laws

I'm thoroughly confused by how Naomi Campbell managed to sue a newspaper, and win, for publishing her photo walking out of a rehab clinic: [2]. On what legal theory was she entitled to privacy from photographers in a public place ? Is there some type of anti-paparazzi law passed there after Diana died ? StuRat (talk) 20:01, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not much of a lawyer and I know nothing about this case, but I imagine that it's because (in this country) folk have the right to privacy about their medical treatment. Alansplodge (talk) 20:42, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I was a bit quick off on the draw there, but I see from our Campbell v Mirror Group Newspapers Ltd article that such a right is enshrined in the European Convention on Human Rights. Alansplodge (talk) 20:45, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

So it's a law protecting ALL Europeans, rather than UK celebrities. Right? (I'm saying this because of the wording of the section title.) HiLo48 (talk) 21:01, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, the Convention covers all those who live in European states that are signatories, which I believe are all the members of the Council of Europe (not the same thing as the European Union). The Convention gives a right of appeal to the European Court of Human Rights, should national law not live up to the principles of the Convention. So the UK Supreme Court House of Lords was saving us a lot of money by making sure that our court rulings complied with the Convention. That's my understanding of it anyway, on which I stand to be corrected. Alansplodge (talk) 21:14, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

The leading case is Von Hannover v Germany. The crucial Article 8 issue is whether or not the - victim? - has a "reasonable expectation of privacy". Von Hannover established the (negative) principle that a newspaper couldn't argue that a famous person _never_ has an expectation of privacy, which allowed subsequent celebrities to institute proceedings. In Campbell, the court ruled that visiting a rehab clinic was a situation that created such an expectation. In Murray v Express Newspapers (on which we don't have an article, surprisingly - it summarises the position very well), the court ruled that merely being "J K Rowling" did _not_ create such an expectation. Where the line is drawn in a specific case will depend on its facts (and on the skill and associated cost of the celebrity's lawyer, of course). Tevildo (talk) 21:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I could understand having an expectation of privacy inside the clinic, but the pic was taken outside. Having a reasonable expectation of privacy there seems bizarre. StuRat (talk) 21:50, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Your opening question tells the story, Stu. The issue isn't that she was photoed in a public place (one that just happened to be outside a rehab clinic with which she had no necessary association). It was that she was photoed coming out of the rehab clinic. That shows she had some association with the clinic, although exactly what association is a matter for the lurid creative minds of journalists. The association, whatever it was, was the thing that she argued, successfully, was a private matter. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 01:48, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

And she had lied about having a drug problem, so the courts were basically protecting her right to have her lie be believed. StuRat (talk) 04:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

To whom did she lie? To whom is she accountable? When did she become public property? What right does the public have to know the ins and outs of her private life, any more than the ins and outs of yours or mine?

I will concede that, by making a big deal out of it, she was implicitly acknowledging that there was more to her being inside the rehab clinic than merely popping into the nearest handy place to ask for directions to the train station or whatever. But that doesn't alter the principle involved. Exactly what her purpose there was, should be solely her business. And even her having any purpose there at all, should be solely her business. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 04:56, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

StuRat's take on the issue is a valid one and legal opinion here was divided on the issue. However, we are signatories to the Convention and have to comply with it and the rulings of its court. The issue of the moral right of the press to pry into the lives of anyone they choose is a hot topic in the UK at the moment. The Leveson Inquiry has uncovered some pretty questionable (and sometimes downright illegal) tactics used by the media and there is strong public support for further regulation. Alansplodge (talk) 09:41, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Except that StuRat doesn't seem to have read the article, or at least is understanding it in a different way to me. The article specifically notes she didn't question the right of the media to challenge or 'rectify' the supposed lie. Rather what she was challenging was solely the right to publish the photograph and disclose the location of her meetings. In other words, it seems if the media had simply noted she was spotted leaving an undisclosed treatment centre (perhaps mentioning they had a photograph but weren't publishing it to avoid violating her privacy) and that she was therefore likely seeking treatment despite her denials, they wouldn't have been affected by the ruling. I don't see how the court was 'protecting her right to have her lie be believed'*, the media was entitled to challenge the lie, just not disclose information they weren't allowed to disclose because she lied. (You can debate whether such information should be private, but this isn't the place for that. And whether or not people believe such information should be private doesn't change what the court decision was actually about.) Nil Einne (talk) 14:41, 15 December 2012 (UTC) Edit:* Unless you say because the media involved has such poor reputation people weren't actually going to believe them if they didn't publish the photograph. Or that because the story without the photo is less interesting, it will be given less priority by the media and people are less likely to see and talk about it anyway, so more people will still believe what she said. But those seem to be fairly silly arguments to me. 14:58, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a newspaper to publish proof when they make a claim that contradicts a statement made by the subject of the story. If they didn't offer proof, that would seem suspicious. StuRat (talk) 16:24, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

That's the nub of the issue, Stu. If she denied she was having treatment, that should have been the end of it - no matter what the actual truth of the matter was. The newspaper's intrusiveness into her private life was the very thing she objected to. And look who came off second best. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 18:57, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Again that's only if the paper had a poor reputation. There was nothing stopping the paper saying they had proof, but didn't publish it to protect her privacy or fear of legal action because they were violating her privacy (papers have done this sort of thing in the past) and there's no reason people would have doubted them if they were a reliable paper. Of course most reliably papers wouldn't care about this stuff so it's perhaps true the papers involved would have problems. Still it isn't exactly her fault no one believes a paper because they have a poor reputation for accuracy. Note that she would have been stuck in a bind in such a case. If she had continued to deny the claim and in particular claimed the paper was lying, it seems they probably could have gotten away with publishing the photo then. Either way this is a moot point, your statement the paper got in trouble for challenging a lie was misleading which was my main point. They only got in trouble for the way they challenged it, publishing additional information the court held to be private, information which wasn't needed to challenge the lie, whatever you or JoO may personally think about challenging lies or publishing such information (which isn't something that concerns the RD). Nil Einne (talk) 08:54, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

December 15

Where can I find the goalscorers in all of the United States-Mexico football matches?

I want to contribute to the following page: Mexico–United States soccer rivalry with the goalscorers in all of the matches, since no one has done it yet. Nicholasprado (talk) 02:54, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Here you go. --Jayron32 00:53, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Why, thank you. Nicholasprado (talk) 02:54, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Name this classical tune

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1ZQMfmA1VL5RTlZLUgybXZXamM/edit

Thanks. 67.243.3.6 (talk) 04:11, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

It won't play on my PC. And why is it taking me into "edit"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:05, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Pachelbel's Canon I think. Of course, your recording is mostly people talking loudly with a very faint music playing in the background. If you could upload an actual recording of the music, and not the music being played in another house while a loud party goes on in your house, that'd help. --Jayron32

Definitely Pachelbel's Canon in D, one variation. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 05:36, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Quarter notes? 67.243.3.6 (talk) 01:10, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

obscure 1916 patriotic song

In 1916, during World War I, a patriotic song was created. It was called, Wake Up, America! George Graff, Jr., wrote the lyrics. Jack Glogau composed the music. I'm hoping to find more information about the song. Where can it be found?142.255.103.121 (talk) 09:19, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

About all I could dig up is this masters thesis (pp. 108-110). Clarityfiend (talk) 22:40, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I've had several thorough searches on the internet and could find very little. The title seems to be a paraphrase of a 1914 poem by Robert Bridges called Wake up, England. The song was the most popular record in the US in May 1916 for 4 weeks.[3] The title was used for a 1918 book[4] and a 1917 official poster.[5] The phrase is currently used by any number of right wing blogs all over the internet, which makes searching for any useful information a bit of a struggle. It is also the title of an otherwise unrelated 2008 song by Miley Cyrus [6]. That's all I could find, but it certainly seems to be notable enough to have a WP article. Alansplodge (talk) 03:32, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

fts

how much money does full throttle saloon make from the tv network--122.105.133.169 (talk) 10:58, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Some Latin song I heard on a parody

Well there's a parody on YouTube called "Casey & Friends." At 2:48, a Latin (not the kind of Latin the Romans used, Latin as in Latin America) songs plays. I can't remember what the name of that song is, but I could have sworn that it was on Radio Espantoso on either Grand Theft Auto: Vice City or Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories (can't remember which one). But when I searched every song mentioned on their respective soundtrack articles on YouTube, it seemed that none matched (although I could have missed some, since I only listened to parts of the songs). So can someone identify the song? I'm 100% sure it was in either Vice City or Vice City Stories. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 12:44, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Shazam tells me that it is "Fiesta Meringue" by Igor Dvorkin & Duncan Pittock. Not sure if that's right, but might give you a new direction to search from. --Onorem♠Dil 13:13, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Nope, it isn't that one. Although, I now remember that I heard the same song in a dance competition I watched a few years back. That could be a lead. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 13:30, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Are you sure it's even a song? It sounds more like some sort of fake warning siren to me, which in the context of the video may make sense. Nil Einne (talk) 12:43, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Actually I was listening to the wrong video, there is a Casey & Friends video that calls it self a parody which is what I thought you were referring to as the other one doesn't indicate it's a parody. Anyway SoundHound doesn't give anything but Shazam finds the same thing for me. More significantly, why are you assuming it's wrong? I'm listening to a version of Fiesta Meringue on YouTube which sounds more or less the same albeit without the voices. This may or may not be what you heard on GTA, but that's a seperate question. There's another version on last.fm identified as 6 which sounds somewhat different or may be it's just the end and [7] suggests there's at least 7 different version (you can actually listen to them there and Audio Network seems to be a legit site which generally only has stuff they have permissions for so the link should be okay) none of them seem to have vocals, but I'm not entirely sure the vocals are part of the song anyway. Either way, I don't see any good reason to think Shazam happens to be wrong in this instance about what song is playing in the Youtube video in question (as opposed to whatever song you remember from wherever). Nil Einne (talk) 13:03, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Unresolved

Riot rap music video

Hello, I'm looking for the artist(s) and title of a video from some time between 1998 and 2002, I am thinking more around the 2000 area but I really can't remember.

Now I have always believed it to be a trio of 2 black males and 1 black female, but it could very well be one person featuring two others or a duo featuring someone, so keep that in mind as I describe the music video below.

The setting is a city during a riot of some kind with a man walking through it rapping, then it switches to a man on the ground bleeding and rapping, then a paramedic rapping, and possibly even a riot policeman. Then the female is singing and she is the clerk or desk worker of some kind in a morgue, and I think one of the guys as the paramedic is rapping while wheeling in a body bag. Thanks for your help. 186.80.206.161 (talk) 19:36, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

This reminds me of a Fugees music video, but I can't remember which one. Livewireo (talk) 17:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Soundtrack of Wild Russia

Hi,
I've seen the show "Wild Russia", and I am curious to know what is this melody in the background:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WA2pkPqYic 21:40, 15 December 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Exx8 (talk • contribs)

The credits say "music composed and produced by William Goodchild and featuring guitarist Nick Pullin". I didn't hear any guitar in that clip, but it may be a start. I suspect, though, that individual bits of the background score don't have special names. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 22:25, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

December 16

Copyright on advertising concepts ?

I notice a US TV ad campaign from last year, where kids proposed various fantasies for how Cheese Nips (or maybe Cheez-Its) get that much cheese into their crackers, has now been recycled to an ad for Keurig coffee makers, where kids propose various fantasies for how they get that much coffee flavor into it (although why kids would care about coffee doesn't make any sense). So, either the same ad firm is out of ideas, or a different ad firm is. If it's a different ad firm, could the Cheese Nips firm sue ? StuRat (talk) 03:10, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Ideas are not protected by copyright. Only expressions of said idea are covered. That's why you see so many bargain bin Mockbusters. So whether or not this particular ad is similar to the other is not a legal issue. Mingmingla (talk) 04:06, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Owner name

Who owns the Holiday Inn Opryland/Airport,2200 Elm Hill Pike, Nashville, TN. 37214 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.244.154.62 (talk) 14:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

According to this site, the General Manager (who may not be the actual franchise holder, but will be the person who's responsible for running the place) is one Tony Carufe. Tevildo (talk) 18:33, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

gloria elaine arnold

please help me find more information on gloria elaine arnold known to be the youngest ever to be accepted by the juilliard school of music on a full scholarship at age thirteen and that she was the protege of marcella sembrich in 1923 approx — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:100C:B020:B9B5:AC26:8935:3FF7:B257 (talk) 14:40, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Re - FANIE DE JAGER.

Re - FANIE DE JAGER.

I would like to add the above name to the following categories. Unable to do this by myself. How do I go about doing this.

The categories are:

South African opera singers

Operatic tenors

Afrikaans-language singers

Afrikaner people

Living people

South African male singers

Many thanks.

Martin. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaqMar House (talk • contribs) 21:32, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

This is really a question for the Help Desk, but I see you've created a lot of redlinks for South African singers recently. The first thing you should do is take a look at WP:CREATIVE and see if any of these singers meet our Notability guideline. Then, you should assemble some references (see WP:RS) to prove that they do. Then, and only then, can you start writing articles about them. Tevildo (talk) 21:38, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, the notability reference page is at WP:NM not WP:CREATIVE. Tevildo (talk) 21:42, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Martin, you have the system back to front. We don't "add names to categories" as such (although it certainly looks that way). Rather, we add categories to names, as it were. We start with an existing article, then we categorise the subject as required. We cannot categorise a subject for which there is no article. There is no article for Fanie de Jager yet. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 21:52, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

But now there is. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 01:28, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

.. though with a severe lack of independent references. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 12:08, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

December 17

The main characters of SpongeBob SquarePants

According to a page of SpongeBob SquarePants series creator Stephen Hillenburg's series bible - respective page shown here: http://cartoonician.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/cast.jpg - the main characters are apparently supposed to be SpongeBob (of course), Squidward, Patrick, Mr. Krabs, Sandy, Pearl, and Plankton (if that is him). Am I correct? Are these the main characters of SpongeBob? Mattdillon87 (talk) 03:55, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I wouldn't suppose Pearl to be a main, she would be more of a minor. The rest. Yes. I suppose things change with each season; Sandy Cheeks used to be prominent, now not so muchBonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 04:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Twilight Zone on videotape

Some episodes of The Twilight Zone (1959 TV series) were shot on videotape instead of film. These look and sound very different. What makes them look so different? Lenses? Editing? What makes them sound so different? The videotape ones sound like they picked up a lot of ambient sound that the film episodes did not. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 04:44, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I remember that group of episodes, which I guess was done as some kind of experiment. In one of them, Art Carney somehow becomes Santa Claus. Those shows might be on kinescope rather than tape. But if you think about it, videotape in general looks different on TV than film does, or at least it did before high def and digitized reproduction of films came along. I don't know the technical way to explain it, but videotape or even kinescope looks "live", while film looks like film. This was implicitly acknowledged in the old HBO series, "The Larry Sanders Show", whose show-within-a-show was a parody of the Johnny Carson show. Everything that the in-the-show TV audience would see looked "live", as it was shown on tape or some digitized format; whereas everything else in the program was on film. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

The article says that some were on videotape, but it might have been Kinescope. At any rate, it was shot with a TV camera instead of a film camera. I saw one of the shows again last night. It didn't have closeups and reaction shots the way film episodes do. Also, with film they edit whereas with the TV camera they seem to do it more live, with edits done by switching from camera to camera rather than a physical edit. Also the sound is different, as if the microphone isn't as close to the people or isn't as directional. That is just what it seems to me - I'd like someone that knows more about it to weigh in. Bubba73 ^{You talkin' to me?} 19:00, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Keep in mind we are talking about 1960 technology. Video tape editing was very primitive back then and could not be done as cleanly as film. Editing basically had to be done immediately on the spot, which basically, as you said, switching from camera to camera rather than a physical edit. And yes, they were stuck with the 1960 technology of microphones, and they could not sufficiently dub or re-record the audio as they could with film. Zzyzx11 (talk) 03:32, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

UK Championship (snooker)

I am non able to fix the following problem concerning the subject page: > > looking at the page, the last line concerning the 2012 result appears empty; if you edit and save, correctly the line reports Mark Selby, Shaun Murphy and the 10- 6 result. But if you then leave the page and go back to it, again the last line appears empty! and so on and on. > > Can you please fix it? > > Many thanks and regards. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! > — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.14.200.74 (talk) 06:27, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

UK Championship (snooker) looks good to me. Perhaps it's an issue with the cache on your computer. You might try a reboot. StuRat (talk) 06:47, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Illegal sideline coaching in tennis tournaments

From what I gather, "coaching from the sideline" is prohibited in most top-level ATP and WTA tournaments (such as grand slams. That doesn't men it doesn't happen, obviously - apparently, secret signals from coaches to players are all too common. I gather the player can be penalized if they are being illegally coached.

My question is: Does the chair umpire have the power to order a coach breaking this rule to leave the players' box / stands? I know in football, the referee has the power to expel a inappropriately-behaving coach from the technical area. Is there a similar power in the tennis rules?

Also, if a coach breaks the rule, can their coaching accreditation (for future tournaments) be stripped from them? Bernard Tomic's dad-cum-coach once ordered his son to walk off the court in protest at an umpire's decision (a very serious rule breach). How was he allowed to keep his accreditation? What would be the disciplinary process for a tennis coach, as opposed to a player? 58.111.175.170 (talk) 07:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure a coach was ordered to leave a match in the recent past, although the only one I can find at the moment is Marian Bartoli telling her father (who is also her coach) to leave the court at Wimbledon in 2011. --TammyMoet (talk) 10:36, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

From Women's Tennis Association 2012 Official Rulebook page 269 (PDF page 271): "In circumstances that are flagrant and particularly injurious to the success of the Tournament, or are singularly egregious, the Supervisor/Referee shall have the authority to relocate the position of a coach if there is reasonable belief that coaching is occurring, or the Supervisor/Referee may order the coach to be removed from the match site or Tournament site and upon his/her failure to comply with such order, may declare an immediate default of such Player." PrimeHunter (talk) 16:31, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Cinderella's Shoe

Is it possible for a "perfect-fitting" shoe to slip off? Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 08:44, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

[Okay, I'll bite] Yes. It shouldn't just fall off, of course, but it has to be removable (or the fit would be very far from "perfect"), and a number of plausible scenarios could accidentally mimic the forces needed to remove it deliberately. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 84.21.143.150 (talk) 13:32, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Being made of inflexible glass instead of leather might figure into the story. Even though the slipper fit (i.e. was the right size and width), I doubt very much if it was designed precisely in the shape of her foot, unless she had pointed feet. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 16:10, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I was certain that the slippers weren't glass but crystal, however I've just found this translation] of the Hans Christian Andersen text in which the Fairy Godmother says, "they are of glass, made by the fairies." Alansplodge (talk) 17:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Despite the claim on the linked website, Cinderella is not by Andersen but by the Grimm Brothers. 31.54.249.205 (talk) 00:23, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

A perfectly rigid shoe couldn't fit perfectly. That's because you'd need to stretch it a bit when putting it on and taking it off (the ball of the foot is wider than the arch). So, it would have to be rather loose to get it on, which would also tend to make it fall off. Rigid shoes, like Dutch wooden shoes, are rare for this reason and because of the lack of padding, and are mostly decorative, not functional. StuRat (talk) 16:17, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

You've never been to the Netherlands then. Alansplodge (talk) 17:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Is it your claim that wooden shoes are in widespread use there today ? StuRat (talk) 17:54, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes. I thought it was just a stereotype, but surprisingly, they are often worn as leisure shoes, rather like flip flops. They're waterproof too, so Dutch people wear them instead of wellingtons. I found some pictures on the net: [8] [9] [10] [11] Alansplodge (talk) 19:25, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

And finally, een Klompenrace (a clog race). Alansplodge (talk) 19:51, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

What I don't understand about that fairy tale (or the Disney adaptation at least) is why the prince would search for a woman whom the shoes fit perfectly. I've seen women in special occasions (like weddings) wear shoes so uncomfortable shoes that it literally made their shoes bleed in a few hours. Those women also know this in advance and they bring other shoes to change into after the occasion, and band-aids to patch up their feet. Cinderella clearly wore a decorative glass shoe that the princess specifically stepped off when she left the ball because she couldn't bear wearing it anymore. – b_jonas 18:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

In the past, having small feet was highly valued in women to such a degree that the Chinese would bind and cripple their women to achieve small feet. StuRat (talk) 01:05, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Let me be the spoil-sport. It was not glass, but fur (Russian squirrel fur, to be precise). The "glass slipper" story is the result of a mistranslation.

From Cinderella: It is thought that the slipper was made of vair (a russian squirrel, petit-gris) rather than glass. Many tales are relayed by word of mouth then translated. It is likely that the word "vair" which sounds like "verre" in French, was taken to mean glass rather than fur. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 18:51, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

According to Snopes the mistranslation theory may itself be mistaken. AndrewWTaylor (talk) 12:11, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

They're entitled to their opinion, of course. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 20:33, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

trance and prog house

I'd like to know: why is it that Trance artists such as This and This who had a unique sound from the 90's to the mid 2000's now have a more Progressive house style? it seems to me like many Trance artists do a more Progressive House style that makes them have some similar qualities in their newer songs, so wouldn't that technicly make them progressive artists now? 199.101.61.190 (talk) 13:52, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I would say because mainstream house music shifted from funky house to electro house around the middle of the last decade, and electro house is more similar to trance, so there was a lot of cross-pollination (deadmau5 is the prime example). I would not describe Tiesto's attempts at being David Guetta as "progressive" though. - filelakeshoe 14:08, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I see what you mean. shame, tiesto did well, but trying to imitate Guetta i must say is not the smartest of moves for someone who's supposed to be the best dj in the world, know what i mean? 199.101.61.190 (talk) 17:40, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Are you the one?

Ok, here's a toughie, but I hope someone's memory is as eclectic as mine. There's a movie scene I've had in my head for a long time. A beautiful woman is looking to hire a private pilot, and she goes to a hangar in search of one. She spots a likely looking guy who's doing maintenance on a plane, and she calls out to him "Are you the one?". Remember, these people are total strangers at this point. He interprets this as a flirty opening from a pretty girl, and responds in kind, but I don't remember exactly what his words were. But I'm certain of her words, because it's an unusual question to ask of a stranger. That's all I remember of the scene.

My brain tells me it's from The Other Side of Midnight (1977), the girl was Marie-France Pisier, and the pilot was Dennis Cole. That movie did involve a private plane, but Dennis Cole wasn't in it (the movie). So, either it was a different movie, probably not involving Pisier – or it wasn't Cole at all - or perhaps both. I'm 99% positive the guy was blond like Cole, but it may not have been Cole himself.

If it wasn't The Other Side of Midnight, I'd love to identify the movie and the actors.

Does this ring any bells? Thanks. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 21:32, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Have you tried asking at the IMDb "I Need to Know" board? I had a title found for me earlier today, in fact, but they're almost preternatural with how quickly they can come up with answers. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 04:45, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

December 18

Video editing software similar to Final Cut Pro for Windows?

Thanks Nicholasprado (talk) 00:00, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

http://alternativeto.net/software/final-cut-pro/ - Cucumber Mike (talk) 08:02, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

shades wearing

Is there any psychological reason behind why some celebs (e.g. Cee Lo Green) like to wear shades? Especially when its like so dark and they're still wearing them. Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 10:38, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Flash bulbs, stage lighting, and spotlights are bright? And some have medical reasons. Dismas|^(talk) 10:57, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I mean everywhere they go! Is that indicative of something, if not a medical illness? Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 11:44, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

This is one of those questions that is better Googled. You will find plenty of suggestions. Since you ask about psychological reasons, I would suggest (1) they think it looks really cool and (2) it forms a psychological barrier between them and the world.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:57, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes. Decades ago, one of Snoopy's guises was wearing sunglasses and calling himself "Joe Cool". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:15, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Ah, thanks everyone. By the way I found something quite useful: Why Some People Wear Sunglasses Indoors Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 13:25, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Why do they wear them "when its like so dark"? Because they just like like wearing them. HiLo48 (talk) 16:17, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Elwood Blues: "It's 106 miles to Chicago; we've got a full tank of gas, a half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses." Jake Blues: "Hit it." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:03, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Road to Perdition anachronism?

In the first 5 minutes of Road to Perdition, we see the son go up to get his father (Tom Hanks) for dinner, and while he's watching him empty his pockets onto the bed, we see the father take out what appears to be a very modern handgun, even though the plot occurs in 1931. Was this a filmmaking accident, or what? DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 20:04, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Is it this type of gun? It looks to me like a M1911 pistol which was introduced in 1911. --Saddhiyama (talk) 20:07, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

It looks something like that. I suppose I'm just mixing this period with the wild west and assumed people used revolvers in the 30's. Thanks! DRosenbach ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 20:33, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I am no gun expert either, but you don't have to watch many episodes of Boardwalk Empire (a tv-series set in the same era), to realise that they did indeed also use revolvers, possibly even more frequently than pistols(?), at that time. --Saddhiyama (talk) 20:40, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

The Internet Movie Firearms Database, which is quick to pounce upon even minor gun errors in films, says the gun is an M1911A1. It also shows a number of the revolvers that various characters use. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 22:34, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Wow, I guess I should have expected something like that existed on the internet. It seems like a great resource. --Saddhiyama (talk) 22:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

There's also the Internet Movie Car Database, which does the same for all kinds of vehicles in films and TV programmes. But there isn't, that I can tell, a similarly comprehensive database that lists filming locations, which is a shame. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 22:53, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

In general, firearms and other military items can appear anachronistic because of the extraordinarily long lifespan of the more successful military designs. Consider the venerable 1891 Mosin–Nagant rifle, still in use as a sniper rifle. Or John Browning's 1921 .50 BMG bullet, still a staple of machine guns and anti-materiel rifles. If they're true to their plan, the Russians will be operating the Tupolev Tu-95 bomber nearly 90 years after it first flew. -- Finlay McWalterჷTalk 02:49, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

December 19

Sportscasters

Why would Chris Schenkel not be listed. He announced the first American Football game — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.125.192.211 (talk) 01:10, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

You mean in List of sports announcers? It's because somebody (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) has been slacking off in figuring out what sports he covered for which networks in which time periods and adding the info. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

He did a number of sports. Bowling, I think. Basketball, for sure. He anchored the Olympics at least once too. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:01, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Euro 2012

Where can I get the full matches of Euro 2012? 66.141.177.119 (talk) 03:04, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Did Mozart have to compose to a set number of notes?

In the film Amadeus, I recall Emperor Joseph II telling Mozart there are "too many notes", and Mozart replies that there are as many notes as he wished, "neither more nor less". I get that the movie is steeped in fiction, but I've always been curious about this bit. Did someone at any given time tell Mozart that he had to compose a piece using no more than, say, 8000 notes? To me, this seems like it would be in the realm of genius more extreme than the man already was. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 04:43, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

My take on it at the time was that the emperor found the music complicated and boring, and he started yawning. He was being sarcastic about "too many notes". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:58, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

And that Mozart's reply was that the piece had the exact number of notes in it that were required to make it that piece? Hm, that's probably exactly what the discussion meant. I took it literally. Thanks for the reply! I'll keep checking back in case anyone else has opinions or ideas. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 06:45, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Song that plays in the background of this flickr ad

Hey all. I've been trying to figure out the name of the song that plays in this video...I know I've heard it before. [12] 74.69.117.101 (talk) 06:10, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

The beginning (the guitar) reminds me immensely of Daft Punk's "Solar Sailor" from the Tron: Legacy film. ([13], though it's sped up to avoid detection.) Aside from that irrelevant comment, I'm pretty sure what you're hearing is generic ad music, which pretty much means it sounds like everything else on TV right now. Even the "guitars" at the beginning sound synthesized and the entire thing was most likely performed and recorded on some keyboard. – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 06:50, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

At around 0:45 the song sounds more distinct...I know it's a popular indie pop song. In my head I can almost hear the lyrics...74.69.117.101 (talk) 06:55, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, the song kicks in there for sure, but I didn't recognize it and figured it was generic music. But if you think it's a cover of a song, that's possible. Someone else will have to listen to it. I'm not really up on my indie pop. :) – Kerαunoςcopia^◁_galaxies 07:11, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

It's definitely a famous song. Possibly MGMT? Have you tried a service such as Shazam? --Iae (talk) 07:31, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Apparently, it's Tonguetied by Grouplove. --Iae (talk) 07:34, 19 December 2012 (UTC)