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Bring back Steven M. Cohen (Attorney)

Mr. Cohen was on the Dr. Drew show on HLN last night representing his client Lynn DeJac I live in Western New York and regularly see Mr. Cohen in the news for representing his clients in civil rights cases. I researched his law firm and they have one of the largest civil rights departments in the country (under the direction of Steven) and take on a plethora of cases pro bono. I know that this page was deleted in the past but I think it's important for people to realize that there are attorneys out there who will represent them in these sort of cases. Steven seems to ask the tough questions and do a thorough job for his clients.

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What's your take on Hampton Roads Messenger? It was nominated for G11 when it looked like this and because the account seemed here only to promote the site. G11 was rejected because most of the advertising content was removed but still seemed to not meet G7. I did a precursory WP:SET and didn't come back with anything in the news section or a general search. Mkdw^talk 08:13, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I did some searching too and came up with nothing - with a readership of 121,000 (that's only about 7% of the population of Hampton Roads) it's not even the biggest regional newspaper (that would be The Pilot, by the looks of things), or even among the biggest; nothing I can find indicates that it's notable. I'd be tempted to slap it with a G7, but there's no rush; the PROD that's on there will do the job in a few days. Yunshui 雲‍水 18:57, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. I'm having some trouble with Talk:Hollywood North and a corresponding edit dispute with an uncivil editor. Any advice? Cheers, Mkdw^talk 23:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

You know, I reckon that could be a candidate for WP:LAME... I'm not going to take any action in case it appears that I've been canvassed (and there are a number of level-headed folk commenting over there already), but for what it's worth...

I think Formerip's merger suggestion for most of the content is pretty sensible; very little of the text currently in the article actually relates to the use of the term "Hollywood North". 70.54.132.234 has yet to technically breach 3RR, but their actions definitely constitute edit-warring; a block would not be unheard of in such circumstances. Finally, I'd suggest you both cool down; whilst civility has been in short supply on that talk page, accusations of trolling don't exactly pour oil on troubled waters. At the end of the day, it's an argument about how to order a two-item list on a page that gets (on average) fewer than a hundred hits per day; it's hardly worth getting in a fistfight over.

As far as solid advice goes, were I in your shoes, I'd be thinking about filing an RFC on the talkpage. However, if the IP editor continues their reverting then they will almost certainly be handed a block by the next passing admin, and since they show no signs of slowing down or paying attention to the policy, that's likely to resolve the problem more quickly than any consensus will. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:02, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm going to .......

....but only because I can't find an emoticon that shows pulling my hair out or even stomping my feet! I think I need your help/advice, please? I tried to sort out what I thought might become a problem at Kangal dog. Long story but basically a couple of editors Cobra-BlackMamba and Bebekve looked as if they might be starting to clash, so I tried to intervene by reverting to the sourced height/weight, put a note on both editors talk pages and tried to get discussion going between them on the talk page. However, although I seem to have got Cobra-BlackMamba commenting on the talk page, he is still insisting on changing the information back to what appears to be his own unsourced version - and still won't put in edit summaries. I realise English doesn't appear to be their first language but I think they have a pretty good grasp of things. I don't think it's really at a DRV stage but don't know what to try next, so any suggestions/help? It's not even a breed I have any interest in and did point out to them I don't have much knowledge about it........

That's problem one.

Next problem....Tamaskan dog - yes, the one I recently nominated for it's third AfD. It was kept and the edits have already started! There is Sick of Spin going on to the talk page, making comments and then going back and changing different words in them - not drastic, just a bit silly really. However, last night, the SPA with a huge COI as she is on the committee of one of the two opposing TS registries, sneakily changing the lead back to her preferred wording which gives no mention of the opposing registry. I say 'sneakily' as the edit summary is often not a true or complete reflection of her changes. It used to be 'entertaining' to watch the silly games but it's now just frustrating!

I think I can see why people just walk away from Wikipedia! SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:08, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

We do lose a lot of editors to this sort of thing, and it's always a great shame - I sincerely hope you won't be one of them. Your work on the Kangal Dog talkpage was exemplarly; exactly the sort of level-headed and civil approach to resoving disputes that we need here. That it doesn't seem to have solved the problem yet is beside the point...

Regarding that particular issue, were I in your shoes I'd be at pains to emphasise that Cobra-BlackMamba's personal conversations with Mr Turhan do not meet Wikipedia's policy on reliable source. Unless he can provide an appropriate published source that clearly supports his changes, the published statistics from the UKC and KIF are the ones that should be included. If he persists in edit-warring without demonstrating such sources (and without getting consensus on the talkpage) he will be blocked, simple as that. It's actually pretty black-and-white - we use the published sources, and if you disagree with them, you need to provide better sources, period.

As far as User:Sylvaen goes, that's as clear a case of a conflict of interest as I've ever seen. I'm tempted to issue a block purely for this disingenuous edit summary (I assume that's the one you were referring to above). Stricken; I made a mistake reading the diff. I will leave a note on Sylvaen's talkpage regarding their COI, and I'll be reverting that particular edit myself.

You yourself have no obligation to keep plugging away at these pages, and if you'd prefer to let the drama play out without getting bogged down in it, you can. Don't let the edit warriors get you down - just move on to another article and let them backbite themselves into oblivion. Alternatively, carry on as you have been - you're proving to be a voice of reason on canine-related pages, and your input is greatly appreciated. If at any point you feel your temper rising, just repeat the mantra, "It's only an online encyclopedia..." until the red mist goes away. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:05, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Yunshui, I just spent some time stomping along the beach in the rain, tears are all mopped up....

I've reverted the unsourced info from the Kangal dog article, left a message on the talk page and tried to kindly explain to Cobra-BlackMamba why. I'm hoping he won't have to go and sit on the 'Wikipedia Naughty Step' as it seems to get a bit crowded on there!

As always, you are a voice of reason in all the madness - I'll let you dry your shoulder off now, at least until the next time! SagaciousPhil - Chat 13:17, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Unblock of Croonerman

Hello, Yunshui. I have just done something that, under most circumstances, I would not have done, namely unblocking a user that you had placed on hold, without either consulting you or waiting for the blocking admin to respond to your message. I was about to unblock when your "on hold" edit-conflicted me. In discussion at User talk:Seraphimblade#Brian Evans, Bbb23, the blocking admin, wrote "if an uninvolved admin thinks he should be unblocked, as long as they're aware of all this, I would have no objection." I thought that was enough to answer your request for comment from Bbb23 before unblocking, since you and I are both uninvolved admins who think he should be unblocked. In addition, I feel that the general tone at the discussion I linked to amounts to something close to a consensus that a second chance is worth considering. Taking all that into account, I decided to go ahead and unblock. My guess, based on my experience of you in the past, is that you will be happy with that, but please do tell me if I am mistaken. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:39, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

No, that's totally fine with me. Thanks for checking, though. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:42, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I created a stub on Brian Evans. it can be found here Brian Evans (Singer) I believe that as a stub form it meets notability guidelines but just barely. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 06:54, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Multiple sources from a mainstream news publication covering more than one event in the subject's life = notable, in my book. Nicely done. Obviously it would be nice to see citations to other newspapers besides the Boston Globe, but if I saw this at AFD, I'd vote Keep without hesitation. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:56, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

TY much appreciated. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 07:58, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi Yunshui, Thanks for your quick response and the links to quickly find the info I need. I will probably have a lot more questions but I'm sure I'll have plenty of more specific questions once I've digested this info. 777desha777 (talk) 13:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, you're always welcome to ask here if you need answers. Glad I could help. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:13, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Renato Athias

I think you should undelete this one - it had already survived a speedy nomination and clearly indicated the importance or significance of the subject, maybe not enough to survive an afd but enough to beat a speedy.--ukexpat (talk) 14:01, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Fair enough, it's back now. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:37, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.--ukexpat (talk) 15:25, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Allissa_Richardson

I have no idea how this happened: perhaps it's a Mediawiki bug. But when I moved Allissa_richardson to Allissa Richardson, an underscore somehow appeared between the two names. Can you please fix? Thanks, Altered Walter (talk) 10:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

That's decidedly weird. I'll take a look and see if I can figure out what's going on. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:36, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Fixed - in a previous attempt to fix the capitalisation of her surname, someone had added the template {{DISPLAYTITLE:Allissa_Richardson}} to the page, which forced an underscore into the title. I've removed the template, problem solved. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:42, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Woohoo! Thanks. Altered Walter (talk) 10:54, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

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Not neutral?.

• Hi Yunshui, how is life?, actually I was also enough tired with that guy, realy that was a kind of bambartment on the talk pages, but it does not mean we discourage any one?. Other thing the recreated article of Hameedy was different style of writing though old version was also edited by me, now it was cited very reliable source, independent and significant coverage of the subject. I realy will not talk or discuss here about neutrality of some editors. I do not care or mind deletions if wikipedia likes that. But rules should be applied everywhere in neutral way so that reliability of wikipedia remains. Please take a look at this source and its editorial board of editors. Thanks for your kind complement that encourages me more.Justice007 (talk) 00:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

I personally think that the new article was sufficiently different to the deleted version to dodge a G4 bullet, but I'm not going to second-guess a fellow admin - and as I said on your talkpage, the deletion has benefits beyond simply following policy. If I were you, however, I'd follow postdf's suggestion and take it to WP:REFUND. I won't restore it myself, simply because I'm already quite involved with the page. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:56, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

About Numafung deletion

Hi Yunshui, you have proposed this article to be deleted. Can you check again that if this article is okay to remain. This article is about a cultural film of an indigenous community of Nepal. Please review this again thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashishlohorung (talk • contribs) 02:22, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, xnepali.net is a blog, and therefore doesn't count towards notability, and IMDb is not considered a reliable source. However, the Kathmandu Post and helpnepal.net look to me to meet the sourcing guidelines, so I'm happy for the proposed deletion tag to be removed; in fact, I'll do it myself now. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:51, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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Image deletion

Hello Yunshui, I hope you don't mind my contacting you here. I am new to Wiki, and have created a page on James Essinger, having met him and found, although he has been in the news a few years, he had no page. I then uploaded a photo I took when I met him in November, but he has sent me a phot he would rather have on their, and doesn't like the one I took. I respect his wish, and would like to delete the photo, but can't see how to do it, so someone has recommended I ask you what the procedure is. I uploaded it to wikipedia rather than Commons and it's called File:James Essinger.jpg Also, while I'm here, I'm having trouble uploading the photo James Essinger sent me, and gave me permission to use under the commons licence. I sent him a 'standard form' I found on here to send to the licence email address (given on top of the form) and he sent it on 6th January (last Sunday), but hasn't heard anything back. Am I right in understanding that I have to await some sort of confirmation they've received it before I can try again to upload the photo? I don't know if I'm just being impatient, or if there's a problem with it. Thanks very much --Annelisa02 (talk) 11:01, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Annelisa. Since File:James Essinger.jpg is on Wikipedia rather than Commons I've got admin buttons for it, so I've deleted it for you under speedy deletion criterion G7 (creator requests deletion). As to uploading the new version, it looks as though you've done everything right (I take it you emailed Essinger's release to permissions-en@wikimedia.org). There may be a problem in that Essinger himself might not actually own the copyright - copyright usually rests with the photographer, not the subject - so OTRS may be doing some checking before accepting the claim of CC-BY-SA. You can still upload the picture (to Commons, rather than Wikipedia - their upload form is here); be sure once it's uploaded that you place the code {{OTRS pending}} on the page, so that the admins at Commons are aware that it's currently being checked. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:10, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

First, many thanks for deleting the photo James Essinger didn't like...I don't like to offend :-) . Also, thanks for the advice about the photo he sent me. He cc'd me the email he sent to wiki, and it all looked fine, so I shall do as you say, and upload it to commons with the 'pending' code. Should I also put in a date the licence confirmation email was sent to wiki? or is that unnecessary? Thanks again --Annelisa02 (talk) 12:41, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

You can indeed go right ahead with the upload - there's no need to add the date; once OTRS have confirmed the licensing status of the image they will add a ticket number to the file page which contains a link to all the details. I'm afraid that in the event that Mr Essinger doesn't own the copyright (as I mentioned above, this is a possibility), the OTRS volunteer dealing with the ticket will remove the image, but hopefully that won't be necessary. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Apparently, according to Mr Essinger, a 9 year old (friend) visiting him took the picture and he has been using it for twitter, LinkedIn etc. So, I think it should be alright.

I do have another question, which I think you may be able to help me with. When I first published the wiki page James Essinger, there weren't so many of the magazine and news articles on there, and somebody questioned his notability. I feel, now, there are plenty of sources that show his notability. How would I go about removing the 'permenent' message at the top of the page? Is it possible? (if you have a chance, and inclination, to look, I would really value your opinion...it's obvious you are an old-hand at this, and would be able to see at a glance what the situation is? If you can't, no problem) Thanks in advance --Annelisa02 (talk) 16:44, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

"At a glance" isn't exactly the case - it'll take me about fifteen to twenty minutes to check and evaluate all those sources - but since I currently only have time for a quick glance, I'd say there's probably enough there to warrant removing the tag. You can remove it yourself, if you feel the sources are sufficient - just delete the text {{notability}} (there may be a date there as well) from the top of the page. At worst, someone will disagree and put it back; it's not a particularly contentious act. Yunshui 雲‍水 18:58, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Okay, now that I've got a bit more time, let's take a look at the sources. Inclusion on Wikipedia is governed by notability, which means that we're look for significant coverage of Essinger in multiple, reliable, independent sources (the Wikipedia-specific meaning of those terms is explained here). Discounting the sourced written by Essinger himself (which aren't independent, and so don't count towards notability), here's what I've found:

• The Wall Street Journal article is a review of his book - whilst that would count towards the notability of the book, it doesn't provide significant coverage of Essinger himself, and so doesn't help the notability case for his article. N
• The Economist article won't load for me on this computer, but I suspect from the article's title that it doesn't provide much (if any) information about Essinger himself, only his book. Probably a N
• OUP's listing is from his publisher, and therefore not independent. N
• The Entertainment Weekly article is another book review, and so doesn't provide the requisite coverage. N
• The New Scientist article is subscription only, but from the preview appears to be another book review - again, it's about the book, not the author. N
• The Guardian interview is entirely Essinger's own words, and so isn't independent coverage. N
• The Age article is again a passing mention of Essinger in a piece that is mainly about his report - it uses him as a source, but says nothing about him. N
• IMDb is not considered a reliable source on Wikipedia. N
• The Input/Output article is about Jaquard and Essinger's book, not Essinger. N
• The Future of Things article is basically a blog (and therefore not a reliable source), and in any case only mentions Essinger's book (not Essinger himself) as further reading. N
• The mention in The Cogwheel Brain is a dedication; it's not significant coverage and it's not really independent. N
• Make Magazine offers only another book review. N
• Bruce Thompson Events doesn't look as though it would meet our guidelines for reliable sources, and again, is a book review that doesn't say anything about Essinger. N
• The review on Yahoo! is not a reliable source (Yahoo! Voices is user-generated content) and is another book review. N
• The review at Powell's Books does contain a couple of sentences about Essinger, but these are drawn practically verbatim from his publisher's blurb, and are therefore not independent. N
• The National Library Service for the Blind just lists one of Essinger's books for conversion to audio. N
• The Times Literary Supplement is another review - nothing about Essinger. N
• Barnes & Noble, as a retailer, are not independent. This page provides only a passing mention of one of Essinger's books, not even enough to count towards the book's notability. N
• The ACCA is an amateur book review, and again, says nothing about Essinger himself. N
• Academia.eu (that is one poorly-formatted page, ugh!) provides only passing mentions of two of Essinger's books. N

In short then, not only is there not enough here to justify removing the tag, there's not even enough to justify having an article in the first place. Notability is not inherited - whilst these source demonstrate that we could easily have a Wikipedia article on Jaquard's Web (and possibly one on Spellbound: The Improbable Story of English Spelling too), they don't even come close to supporting an article about Essinger himself.

What you need to find are sources that discuss Mr Essinger, not his books; that do so in depth and that are not by him or his associates. That's the only way to ensure that this article remains. In its present form, it's a clear candidate for deletion - I hate to be harsh, but if improvements aren't made soon, I'll be obliged to take it to Articles for deletion myself. Sorry to rain on your parade, but hopefully this has given you some idea of how you can move forwards with that article. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, I think I understand what I have wrong now. I believed that the fact these sources were actually commenting on Mr Essinger's style was a comment on himself. Having you go through the references like that brings home to me where I'm going wrong, and I realise I must find sources more on him and not on his books. Thank you for your advice and help. I will save a copy if you are intending deletion, and perhaps I can sort it out in the future. Best wishes --Annelisa02 (talk) 14:22, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

If you'd like, I can userfy it for you (to save you clicking the link, that means I'd move it out of article space and into a subpage of your userspace - it would no longer be a "live" article). That way you can work on it without worrying about it being picked up by a passing deletionist and rushed off to AFD -once you've got it up to code, it can be moved back again. Up to you, just wanted to let you know the option's there.

Oh, and if you really can't find anything (it may be that Mr Essinger just isn't notable by Wikipedia's very specific definition of the word, which is no reflection on his real life notability!) then I'd strongly recommend you create an article on Jaquard's Web; the sources above show that the book is very clearly notable. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:30, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

That is a very kind offer of yours, Yunshui, very appreciated! :-) I think I would like the page to be put somewhere safe for now, and the user page is as good a page as any (does this work the same?) Would you mind if I just contacted Mr Essinger to let him know this is going to happen, just as a politeness? He seemed so happy to have a page up after so long struggling to get known..maybe a day?. Also, I will take your advice, and start by trying to make a page for each of his most well known books first (it'll give me more practice, and, as you say, many of the references, when pointed out as you did, were actually about the books themselves (thuough, I must say, I think descriptions of how he's written these books might be considered a comment about him :-) though I do understand Wikipedia doesn't classify it as such). Thank you once again for your help!

Oh yes, and I just saw the box you put on my userpage about adopting a user? What a fantastic idea! If you would be willing, I'd love to have you as my mentor...you have been so helpful and informative! I have to go out now, but I will check later how you said this was done. Thanks again. --Annelisa02 (talk) 16:30, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

No problem. I'll userfy the page for you now - and consider yourself adopted! The James Essinger page will be a useful way to help you get into article writing - we can work on it to bring it in line with Wikipedia's requirements and teach you about those requirements at the same time - but there are many other areas of Wikipedia to get involved with. I'll post an adoption welcome on your talkpage shortly with some information about how to get started. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:37, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello again Yunshui. I see you have visited my userpage and moved the James Essinger article to my userspace. Thanks very much for that...it's greatly appreciated, as is all the helpful information you have left for me there! At present, I'm laid up ill in bed, so not up to doing very much, but I look forward to working on the page, with your guidance, once more when I'm better, and I'm very happy you are willing to be my mentor...It gives me confidence I can learn how to edit on Wikipedia properly...it's very exciting! :-D Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Annelisa02 (talk • contribs) 10:32, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry to hear you're ill; I wish you a swift recovery.

Two little points about communication on talkpages (this isn't a telling-off, just an FYI!). First, don't forget to sign using four tildes (~~~~) - you usually do this, so this is just a reminder. Secondly, the convention for indenting works as in the following example:

Me, saying something profound and witty.
:You, telling me how profound and witty I am
::Me, thanking you for your kind words.
:Another editor, suggesting that I'm neither profound nor witty.
::Me, thanking the other user for their opinion and politely suggesting they go
and boil their head.
:::Other editor, inviting me to engage in fisticuffs.
::::You, attempting to restore peace.
:::::Me, thanking you for your intervention.
::::::Other editor, agreeing that I am, in fact, profound and witty after all.
:::::::Me, thanking the other editor for their aquiescence to an obvious truth.
::::Other editor, withdrawing their challenge to unarmed combat.
::::::::You, reiterating how profound and witty I am.

Me, using an {{outdent}} template to move the

conversation back to the right-hand margin.
:You, asking about the outdent template.

And so on. Basically, you always indent one colon further than the message you are replying to. It's not a massive issue, but it does make reading talkpages easier. Get well soon, Yunshui 雲‍水 10:45, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah, I've just seen this, and realise I have been doing just about everything BUT follow this protocol lol. I think I understand. One moves in one indent from the bit of the conversation one is replying to, except if answering a previous comment? So though the other editor first responds, by (outrageously) suggesting you are neither profound nor witty, after my response, their response is indented the same as my first response, because we are both responding to your proclamation you are saying something profound and witty. I had been thinking that one just chucks in a random number of colons so the present comment would be seperated from the previous comment. I see it is slightly, but not excessively, more complicated than that! lol.

Thanks for the wishes for a swift recovery. Having had Christmas/New Year and a major birthday wiped out by said illness, I hope for a quick recovery too...however, I can at least thank the nasty virus for laying me up long enough to learn something about the workings of Wiki :-)

And I will try very hard to remember to sign! --Annelisa02 (talk) 20:31, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

That's pretty much the gist of it - the rule of thumb is simply to add one more colon that the guy you're replying to, which keeps everything in a given thread fairly easy to read. Some users also use "@Yunshui" or similar in complicated threads, to show who they're responding to, but unless you find yourself on a major dramaboard like ANI (tip: don't...) you won't need to specify the subject of your messages.

Wishing you a quick recovery once more - and I hope that when you are better, you'll still be able to find time to edit! All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 23:31, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Request to restore the deleted page

Hello Yunshui, First of all - am all new to this creating new articles, so sorry if I did something wrongly. Merely trying to set it right. As we have started to get quite a few mentions in the blogosphere about the NoNoNo project, I would like to be able to continue working with the original article in order to upload a photo and links. Can that be arranged? Thank you!Soundslikeit (talk) 13:49, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

In theory, I'd be happy to restore the page and userfy it for you under these circumstances. However, since it has since come to light that the text is a direct copyright violation of the band's Facebook page, it cannot be used on Wikipedia. Even if you yourself own the copyright to this text and are willing to release it under an appropriate free licence, it is still heavily promotional in tone, and thus unsuitable for inclusion here. We also discourage users from creating articles about subjects they have a close connection with - the resulting conflict of interest rarely results in a usable page. If your are determined to write about your band on Wikipedia (and assuming that you can provide suitable sources - anything in the blogosphere is emphatically unsuitable), you will need to write new text, in a neutral tone, from scratch. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:08, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for taking your time to get back on this. I understand - this is merely a misunderstanding from all involved: the band wanted the description to be the same everywhere. I will take everything you wrote under consideration and rewrite accordingly. Although I cannot guarantee that you might not end up getting a thousand questions back again... again, thanks, sorry, and all the best. Soundslikeit (talk) 14:36, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Just to be absolutely clear: what the band wants is of absolutely no consequence here. Your statement indicates clearly that you are not the appropriate person to be writing this article. Whilst I'm very happy to answer questions, I would strongly suggest that you file a request at Requested articles rather than trying to create the page yourself - having an unbiased editor do the work will save both you and Wikipedia time and energy in the long run. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:45, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Admin help

Heya. Can you take a while for some input? And if agree, delete the page? Thanks! — Yash ^[talk] 15:39, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

It's not in any way a plausible redirect (the chances of anyone typing that exact phrase into the search engine are virtually non-existent), so I've deleted the redirect under WP:R3. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:10, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Started again

• Hi Yunshui, It started again this and this, it seems to me that kind of practice is not from the fans but well some kind of opposition figures?. My be they do not like to see the article on wikipedia?. Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 10:35, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I though that might happen... Can't see what you think is wrong with Cunard's edit; that's a completely legitimate tag. The Hameedispam IPs seem to be back, though - I might string together an SPI later. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:13, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Public domain

Hi Yunshui, could you take a look at File:James Gwyn.jpg and let me know if there's a better way I should have done it? Mkdw^talk 00:00, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Superficially it looks fine to me (although public domain works should really be on Commons). Assuming the dates are correct, PD is the correct listing for it. Note, though, that that only holds true for the U.S. - however, given the subject, U.S. origin seems to be a given. As far as moving it to Commons goes, if you want to have a go at it, here are the instructions. Never tried it myself. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Drastic deletion within hours

I hereby request you to survey the sudden unwarranted deletion of Beohari. Thankyou --Pmoias (talk) 05:10, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)It wasn't Yunshui, it was User: PhilKnight. I'm going to enquire there. Qwyrxian (talk) 05:23, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, i was here to draw any other admin's attention. --Pmoias (talk) 06:08, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Looking at the log, I'm actually suspecting it was an error on PhilKnight's part; he's a good admin, and usually leaves a clear deletion rationale, and I don't see any reason why that page should have been deleted. I'd rather wait for him to respond first, but if he doesn't come back on WP in the next couple of days, I can undelete it pending investigation. If it doesn't come back in about 24 hours, drop me a note on my talk page to remind me if that's okay. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:30, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks as though this is all tidied up now. Thanks for picking up the slack, Qwyrx. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:23, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

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Nomination of Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Simply Raw: Reversing Diabetes in 30 Days is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Fair enough; thanks for the notification. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:24, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

page deletion

hi, i am creating a page for an upcoming music artist "Yeyo Cintadio" and the page says it has been deleted...why is it being deleted and what do i have to do to create a page for the artist? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmccleskey (talk • contribs) 00:09, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

The page has been deleted (twice now) because it contains no reliable sources (the artist's website is not a reliable source) and give no indication that Cintadio is in any way noteworthy (simply being a rapper is not a notable activity). See this guideline for the criteria normally used to assess a musical performer's suitability for inclusion. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:26, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

training feedback

Thanks for the sharp feedback! I left some comments in reply at the feedback page. Do feel free to edit those trainings, if the mood strikes you.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 02:22, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanations Sage; the content makes more sense when Campus Ambassadors are thrown into the mix! I'll avoid making any alterations to the pages myself, since I'm relatively new at the Ambassador role (though I'm hoping to be more active now that a new term has started). Yunshui 雲‍水 08:29, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey

You deleted hank harrisons page. I Cant see why... Whats the reason? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.57.69.201 (talk) 11:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

The reasons are laid out at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hank Harrison. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:34, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Hey! (adoption stuff)

Hey Yunshui, 'tis me again! I've had some very severe, very overwhelming personal struggles lately, and haven't really had the motivation, nor been in the mood, to venture anything major on Wikipedia (like creating an article, etc.). I have, however, been lurking about the place, making minor and not-so-minor copyedits mostly, and made some more significant improvements to the articles on Magma (my favourite band... of "all time"!) and its sub-articles, as well as FAX +49-69/450464. I've also been exploring and investigating policies and their implementation, with a view to attaining a comprehensive understanding of them. As a means to that end, I've also been exploring and scrutinising old and contemporary arbitration cases, RFC's, AN/ANI discussions, historical pages and the village pump archives. It's been a fascinating voyage, if somewhat geeky. But then again, aren't we all somehwat geeky around here? :P

Anyway, the entire point of that long-winded prelude is that I'm back, so to say, and I'm actually logged in for once (a majority of my sporadic edits have been logged-out IP edits, each typically accompanied by a few words noting that "this is User:Psychonavigation not logged in"), and, after emerging from some intense personal battles with a renewed vigour for life and an optimistic outlook, I feel ready to contribute significantly to Wikipedia, a project that, despite not having been a big part of my life, is still dear to my heart. I identify with and support its goals and mission immensely, and am frankly quite proud of the human race as a whole for having accomplished such a feat, especially in a transparent, free and egalitarian manner. Wikivoyage was also an inspiration (I'd never heard of it until today, it wasn't even listed on the WMF projects page), and its premise intrigued me sufficiently that I have now merged my account over there.

So, the question is, are you still willing/keen to mentor me on a largely as-needed basis? I don't foresee myself giving you too much hassle, I like to keep a low profile and I think I've gleaned a broad perspective of both the letter and the spirit of all the major policies. I'll probably just be asking you to check over articles-to-be that I'll create in my userspace, and things pertaining to such. Nothing too major I'm sure. :)

So, what do you say?

Peace and love. - D. Psychonavigation (talk) 01:22, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Psychonavigation; welcome back! Sorry to hear that you've been through the mill; hopefully 2013 will bring you lots of positivity to balance the books. I would be more than happy to retain you as an adoptee (although if you check my recent history with User:Psychonaut, you'll see that I thought you were still around... got the two of you confused, rather embasrassingly...).

Oh, and thanks for pointing me at the Magma article; I'd not heard of them before and they sound fascinating. I shall have to see if I can get hold of some of their work.

(And as a minor bit of trivia, I think I'm right in saying that Wikivoyage only became an "official" Wikimedia project yesterday, so it should be visible on their projects page fairly shortly) Yunshui 雲‍水 08:18, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

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Timmy Polo IP sock

I guess you will be watching, but just to make sure I am letting you know that I have replied to your message on my talk page. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Tarkim Air

hi yunshui why did you delete the page I've prepared? I just want to add the company to wikipedia, but you keep on deleting it? :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by I.kartal (talk • contribs) 13:39, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Please see my note on your talkpage. You have an active and unaccepted AFC submission for this article, which explains why the page is not yet suitable for inclusion. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:48, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Dear Yunshui, I created a page for the company name but you deleted it. It didn't make any sense to me actually, because there was to advertisements in the next, nothing. Just a couple of information, that's all. Would you mind enlightening me about the reason why you keep cancelling the page? Looking forward to hearing from you.

Işıl — Preceding unsigned comment added by I.kartal (talk • contribs) 14:21, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

The page makes no case for the company being in any way important, notable or distinct from any other minor airline. It also contains no reliable sources attesting to the subject's notability. Without such sources, or at least a claim to importance, the article falls under speedy deletion criterion A7, and therefore has no place in Wikipedia. As I said on your talkpage, please use the Articles For Creation page to iron out these problems before trying to create the article. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:28, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Jeb2003

This user has continued socking[[2]] removing block templates and changing block length[[3]], can I suggest a lengthening of the block and short of that removing talk page access for the block duration? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 06:48, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

I actually refused him an unblock appeal via UTRS yesterday for using that Heraldr account... I've left the block at the same length, but I've removed his talkpage access per your suggestion. Yunshui 雲‍水 22:51, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Challenge accepted but..........

Hi Yunshui,

Funnily enough I landed on that page very recently. I thought it was in a sorry state and as I'd never heard of it as a breed I did a quick spin around some sources to see what I could find. It rather looks as if it's simply what any stray dog is called in the Philippines. I'll certainly see if I can find out some more and then try to make any necessary changes.

Now, in return, I have some questions for you! Sometimes if I've reverted a good faith edit I put a note on the editors page especially if they are just starting to edit. I probably shouldn't say this but I don't always feel the standard 'Welcome' templates are great or appropriate - I like to try and personalise it a bit to explain why I reverted and also try to put some help page links. I feel some of the standard templates are a bit daunting. So.....I've semi devised my own - see this as an example of the type of thing I mean. How can I put a copy of this on my user and/or talk page in a sort of quick template so I can quickly copy it over instead of raking for ages to find a previous one? But maybe I shouldn't be changing the standard template?

Next question (one challenge from you means I get to ask at least ten questions!). I've been playing with a stub article in my sandbox here; I think I've got it about as far as I can take it now so could you have a quick skim through to see if there are any glaring problems. Once I've done a lot more work on this one I'll look to submit that as a new article. Yeah, I know they're both pretty boring but at least they're not dog articles! SagaciousPhil - Chat 09:46, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

It's not actually that hard to create your own message templates; here's what you do:

1. Create a new page in your userspace for the template (something like User:Sagaciousphil/Welcome).
2. On that page, create the message that you want to appear, and save it.
3. When you want to use it on a user talkpage, place the name of the page between double curly brackets and prefix it with subst: - the code for the above example would be {{subst:User:Sagaciousphil/Welcome}}

This command tells the software to substitute ("subst") the contents of the named page for the template that you just typed - essentially, it copy-pastes everything on your welcome message page onto the destination talkpage. Feel free to try it on my talkpage if you want to see whether it works.

Your expansion of the James Ferguson article is exceptional - whilst I haven't gone through it with a fine-tooth comb (it's late here...) I'm very impressed after giving it a once-over. Once you copy it across to the live article, make sure you put yourself up for another Did you know? nomination; it meets all the requirements (and a hook like, "Did you know that James Ferguson was so ugly that his own mother warned him against being mistaken for a rapist?" should garner quite a few hits...). Truly, a fantastic piece of work; if we had more editors like you Wikipedia would have been completed by now.

All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 23:12, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, Yunshui, you are always very helpful and it is much appreciated! I did do the DYK nomination and pinched your suggested hook . As I haven't had much 'real world' sub-editing to do at the moment, I have also spent some time playing over at DYK reviewing other nominations (I bet they all hate me for cherry picking the ones that look easy and straightforward). I also managed to set up the welcome template by following your very simply explained instructions, so again, thank you!

I've messed about a bit with the page we spoke about, which hasn't helped much; I'll leave it for a few days to see if it gets any re-action but have a feeling I may end up just giving it a prod next week.

Do you by any chance know if there is a problem with the Wiki email system today as I'm suddenly not getting any notifications - I've checked that notification is still enabled and the email address used is still functioning correctly (yes, I know, I sent myself an email to check - how sad is that?). SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:04, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK is always a bit backlogged, they'll appreciate the help. I looked over a couple of your reviews; you seem to be doing it right, although I'd hazard a guess that the supposed copyvio at Escape from Tomorrow is actually the Daily Omnivore copying from Wikipedia - the publication dates are the same (which is common for wikimirrors, but less common for copyvios) and Daniel is a very competent contributor and admin; it seems very unlikely that he'd commit such a fundamental error. You weren't to know either of those things, though, so your vigilance in trying to catch copyright violations is to be applauded.

I haven't noticed any email issues, but I don't have notifications set up - usually my email is just a long list of unblock requests and complaints about deletion, and they're still getting through (more's the pity...). I've had a quick snout around the Village pump and a few appropriate talkpages, but haven't turned up anything. Leave a message at the technical discussion board if it persists; they'll know what to do. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:26, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I did think it very unlikely to be a copyvio by the nominator and suspected the Daily Omnivore site was to blame. I did try to flag it as nicely as I could, just to be on the safe side; I expect I'll (deservedly) get a sharp/swift wrist slap for it but hey ho, my skin is getting thicker! SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:38, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

You phrased it very politely, and Daniel's one of the nicer admins; I'm sure you'll escape unscathed! Yunshui 雲‍水 14:43, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Rollback#User:Kevin12xd

Just a little message to Yunshui and Kingpin13, seeing if you wanted to deal with Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Rollback#User:Kevin12xd personally due to your previous involvment with the user. Kind regards ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 04:12, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm recusing myself - he's my adoptee, and I made the wrong call last time as a result. KP13's welcome to take it. Yunshui 雲‍水 04:30, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

I did not spot the adoption! Will let KP know. Thanks ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 04:38, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Copyrights

Hello Yunshui! I asked for some advice and you helped me. Thanks a lot! You also wrote me about copyrights: "As far as your copyright inclusions are concerned, there may be two major issues. Firstly, it's not possible for a website owner to release text just for Wikipedia. All Wikipedia content must be free to re-release, modify and sell anywhere on- or off-line, meaning that the text needs to be clearly released under a CC-BY-SA licence (the source website needs to display this release). Secondly, a subject's website is rarely a good source for text - the content tends to be too promotional to meet Wikipedia's neutrality policy. It might be better to rephrase it in your own words even if it is available for free reuse. Images are more complicated still where copyright is concerned; you would again need to ensure that they are publicly released under a free licence before they could be used. Assuming that they are, you should upload them to Wikimedia Commons, rather than here. You may also need to file a notice with the volunteer response service to verify that you have permission to use the images."

I could keep asking for help but I thought that a discussion would be more appropriate. I am new to this environment and want to make sure I won't make mistakes. I'm talking about a living person's biography that I've been watching for years and have actually been to many of his concerts and read articles in the press etc etc. I used his biographical text (having his permission to use it) concidering it would be the "best" source. The text is nothing but facts (this happened then and that happened there which was followed by this... etc). There have been articles in the press (as well as his discography) along the years that verify these facts but the thing is that I can't find all of them because the links are dead. So, my question is if biographies are printed based on what the person whose life is being written says and these books are concidered good sources why can't someone's steps in music industry coming out of his mouth (or hand :p) be good sources too? I 'll repeat that wikipedia is free to (re)use the text. I can't find another way to explain it better. :-s You are certainly right about neutrality policy but just read the text. If you believe that something should change feel free to change it or let me know. Rephrasing the whole text (which I will do If I have to) won't change the facts neither do I have a better way to prove these facts. Xristiswiki (talk) 14:42, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Xristiswiki. You've run into a fairly common assumption that people make on Wikipedia - namely, that primary sources are the best sources of information. Who could be a more reliable source for information about Joe Blogg's life and work than Joe Bloggs himself? After all, he was there! Wikipedia, however, doesn't work like this; instead, we prefer - require, in fact - coverage in reliable secondary or tertiary sources. This is primarily due to the inherent conflict of interest caused whenever someone writes about themself - it's exceedingly difficult to write a genuinely neutral piece about oneself. Primary sources are permitted, in certain circumstances, but only in moderation.

If the text in question is literally just a list of facts, then it might be usable; if you give me a link to the page you intend to use I'd be happy to take a look and evaluate it for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:51, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally, if it's the current content at George Perris (which is largely taken from his facebook page, as far as I can tell), then it's waaay non-neutral; that whole page needs a heavy copyedit to remove the promotional text. I'll do it myself tomorrow if no-one gets there first; I'm only online for another five or ten minutes and that's going to be at least a half-hour job to clean up. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:00, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

In fact - and I'm sorry to have to do this - I've removed virtually all of that page, since it's directly taken from Perris' website (http://www.georgeperris.com/en/biography) He may have given you permission to use it, but the website still clearly states that it's content is non-free ("Copyright 2010 George Perris. All rights reserved"). As long as the website is not released under a free licence, its text cannot be used on Wikipedia, regardless of whether Mr Perris emails you to say otherwise. He will need to update the site to release the text under a CC-BY-SA licence before we can use it, although as I said above, the content is far too promotional for Wikipedia in any case. Yunshui 雲‍水 15:07, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok then. Change the text according to wikipedia's policy :)Xristiswiki (talk) 15:37, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)What Yunshui is saying is there's no way that we can use that text in its current state at all. Plus, it's not how we really work here to take text and copy-paste it to make a collage of an article. We take those sources, ingest the information, then crap out some neutral information that is only facts that are neutral in every way. For example, where a source says "He helped pioneer the first and only internet dating service of his time, and many people love him for it" we would put "He was the creator of the first internet dating service, link" as it's more neutral. If you really want us to be able to use the text, you have to get the website owner to remove the (c) by George Perris 2010 on EVERY page on the website, and replace it with something along the lines of "This page and all content therein is licensed under the Creative Commons CC-BY-SA <link to license> license, and is reusable under the terms thereof". Make sure that the author knows that this means I can reuse his text in a school paper, my own website, a newspaper article, wherever I want to, without his permission, as long as I attribute it to him and release it under a similar license. gwickwire^talk_edits 17:07, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

It's ok, I'm not offended. :-) In fact I need all the help I can get that's why I discussed it with Yunshui. I'll wait until tomorrow to see what he will have done. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xristiswiki (talk • contribs) 18:18, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I've now adapted the information on Perris' website to create a "Career" section in the article. Note that rather than reusing Perris' text, I have simply taken the bare facts and, to use gwickwire's delightful phrase, "crapped out some neutral information". I've also removed the {{advert}} tag, since the content is no longer promotional. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:48, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I just saw it! Thanks a lot! If I had known it was that "easy" I wouldn't have been looking for "References". I have one more question though. Perris' site hasn't been updated (I think) so what about the 2011 and 2012 events? For instance, the canadian tour (which is a past event) would be concidered advertising text? I'm just asking in a an attempt to get the hang of it. Xristiswiki (talk) 11:34, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

The problem with any post-2010 events is that Perris' website doesn't verify that they took place, only that they were planned. One might reasonably assume they took place, but we would need other, more recent sources that gave them coverage before the information could be included in the article. Basically, a website that was last updated in 2010 is only good as a source for pre-2010 information. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:45, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Therefore when the site gets updated I will be allowed to use the information? I don't know anything about these things... I suppose when the biography field gets updated the date at the bottom of the page will get updated as well, right?Xristiswiki (talk) 12:40, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes to the first question, although other independent sources for the Canadian tour and subsequent events would be preferable (this might suffice, although I'm not sure whether it meets the sourcing guidelines). As to the second, I would assume so, otherwise the new content wouldn't be correctly copyrighted. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:50, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

I guess I'll have to wait and see... Oh! I certainly have questions about the redirects (I'd like to link the albums with new pages (or whatever this can be)the same way I did for "un souhait" and "pairno anasa". But first I have to think about it and then actually do or ask about anything Xristiswiki (talk) 13:52, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

If you want to create articles at pages which are currently redirects, follow this simple process:

1. Search for the article in the usual way.
2. You'll find yourself redirected to the target page. At the top of the page, just under the title, you'll see a little legend that says Redirected from ..., with a link to the search term you used. Click the link.
3. You'll now find yourself at the actual redirect page; as you did with Pairno anasa, remove the #REDIRECT text and replace it with the text you want to have in the article.

This will break the redirect, so future searches will lead directly to the page.

All the usual rules (notability, reliable sources, verification apply, naturally, so make sure you have enough for an article; there's nothing wrong with a redirect if all the available material can be reasonably included in the target page. (For example, the current article at Pairno anasa is basically just an unsourced track listing - there's nothing to indicate that the album is particularly noteworthy. If that's all the information there is, a redirect is actually a more sensible option, since it will at least lead the reader to learn something about the artist.) We also have a guideline - WP:NALBUM - that specifically requires album pages to redirect to the artist's page if there isn't any reason to assume they are notable. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:03, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Yunshui. You have new messages at PinkAmpersand's talk page.
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I just saw it! Thanks a lot! If I had known it was that "easy" I wouldn't have been looking for "References". I have one more question though. Perris' site hasn't been updated (I think) so what about the 2011 and 2012 events? For instance, the canadian tour (which is a past event) would be concidered advertising text? I'm just asking in a an attempt to get the hang of it. Xristiswiki (talk) 11:30, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry! wrong place for my message...!Xristiswiki (talk) 11:32, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Not everybody is a vandal!

Hi Yunshui,

Reding your message, I briefly considered dropping anti-vandal work for a while and signed up for dispute resolution. Not all that long after, I sighed at how long, stringy and complex the discussions were. I will have to be honest with you - The only reason I am on Wikipedia is to keep vandals controlled. If it wasn't for STiki and Huggle (by the way, I got my Rollback back...I promise to be extra careful with it), I would probably have gotten bored with Wikipedia long ago. It's my glue. I occasionally complete a couple of questions at my adoption page - probably at a frequency of once every three days.

I may be finding it hard to admit that I may be slanting towards the "I am right and everyone else is wrong" philosophy, but I think I should stick with anti-vandalism work for a while, get the hang of it, then drop it when I feel my work is done.

Of course, as you are my mentor, you may advise me against this, if you want. Cheers! Kevin12xd (talk) (contribs) 21:37, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Your on-wiki (and off-wiki!) activities are your own affair; I'm hardly ever going to tell you what to do, just advise you as best I can. If all you want to do at the moment is fight vandalism, that's absolutely fine. I'm here to help you, not order you about!

On an unrelated note, could you point to a couple of examples of my "unblocked per WP:ROPE" editors who've gone on to vandalise again? I endorse Callanecc's response, but it would help me improve if you gave examples, so I could keep any eye out for similar behavioural indicators in the future. Cheers, Yunshui 雲‍水 03:24, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Looking to Learn

Are you interested in helping me out through the adopt-a-user program? --PMChi (talk) 06:15, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi PMChi, and welcome to Wikipedia. Yes, I'd be happy to help show you the ropes. I'm going offline for a couple of hours very shortly, but I'll set up an adoption for you properly as soon as I'm back. All the best, Yunshui 雲‍水 06:19, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Yunshui, thanks for the opportunity; I'm looking forward to it.--PMChi (talk) 16:09, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

IronKnuckle

The SPI came up negative - you might want to alter your unblock-decline, as he thinks he's being unfairly picked on anyway. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 10:13, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Done; I hadn't spotted that the block reason had been changed (it wasn't in the log). Rather than strike that line, I've taken the slightly unusual step of removing it entirely; I figure if he feels victimised then that's probably a kinder way to remove it from the template. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:18, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree. JohnCD (talk) 11:11, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hello. Thanks for the swell assistance, mm, would you mind reviewing the DYK nom for Peter Chao at the same time? Is that your cup of tea? Thanks a lot. Cheers Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 10:38, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Done; generally fine but it's slightly shy of the necessary prose length (direct quotes don't count towards the prose length requirement). Yunshui 雲‍水 10:52, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh... So that's why. I didn't know that. Will work on it. Really want it to be on the main. Cheers. Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 11:54, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't be a problem; whack another short paragraph in (a short bio of Tong, perhaps, or a fictional one of Chao?) and it'll get through. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Looks good now. Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 12:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

It does indeed; I've approved the DYK nom. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:51, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks and cheers. Bonkers The Clown (Nonsensical Babble) 12:56, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Your RfB?

Hi, have you seen this? - Dank (push to talk) 20:52, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I undid it since it wasn't formatted properly and left Kevin a note here. Legoktm (talk) 20:54, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

WHAT. THE. HELL?! Yunshui 雲‍水 21:12, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

There should be an edit filter against transcluding RfXes where the subject hasn't yet accepted. And against attempting to add a non-transcluded RfX to the RfA page. — PinkAmpers&^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 21:17, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

It's cool; my heart rate's dropped back to it's usual level now. On that note; time for bed. Yunshui 雲‍水 21:21, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Seriously Yunshui, you might actually pass. I say it's worth a try. AutomaticStrikeout (T • C) 21:22, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Hi Yunshui, I am really sorry about that. I didn't mean to alarm you about your nomination; I though you might appreciate it. About the formatting...well, I had no idea it was incorrect. On an unrelated note, I was curious as to know what your ethnic background is and what country you live in? I don't mean to be the black-cloak shady figure around the corner, but I am genuinely curious about your background, and since you said "time for bed" at...er...around 6:40 PM, this ha led me to wonder about your time zone. Cheers, Kevin12xd (talk) (contribs) 23:47, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

He he! I agree with Automatic Strikeout, you had a good chance of passing it! Bad miss! And &'s suggestion is a good one! --Tito Dutta (talk) 00:05, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit late I know but without a doubt i'd support an RfB for Yunshui and I await when i'll be able to put down my support. MIVP - Allow us to be of assistance to you. (Maybe a bit of tea for thought?) 17:22, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

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I want to point out specific questions that you have answered thoughtfully, helpfully, in clear detail, and with a welcoming tone... but there are just too many of them to choose from. You're an excellent guide and communicator and I'm so glad you're a part of the Teahouse. Thanks!

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Ooh, new shiny thing (*rushes, squirrel-like, to hoard it on userpage*). Thanks Ocaasi. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:25, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

AV Work

Hey, I see you've got quite the knack for anti-vandal patrol. I'm curious if you ever tried using WP:STiki. It's my favorite a-v tool and it tends to catch more 'subtle' types of vandalism. Maybe check it out, I'd love to hear what you think about it. (note: you can select which 'queue' you review, either the leftover ClueBot feed that is likely vandalism but not high enough confidence to revert automatically, or the STiki queue which has its own metadata algorithm, or a linkspam queue which is all about, well, linkspam). Cheers! Ocaasi ^{t | c} 15:05, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Everybody loves STiki... sadly, I don't get to play with it. Because I edit primarily from a heavily firewalled PC, downloads aren't an option - so no Huggle either . I used to have a whale of a time with Igloo, but since the summer that's been pretty much defunct due to server issues. I never get to have any fun... Thanks for the thought, though! Yunshui 雲‍水 22:00, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Nestlé

Hi. Time ago, you protected Nestlé, indefinitely, which was its first protection. I think this is excessive, considering the page received "normal" vandalism for such visible page. I'd like to know which is the possibility to unprotected it or its protection replaced with pending changes Lv. 1. Thank you. Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 20:41, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

That seems like a reasonable idea. Give me a moment to step into this convenient phonebooth and tear open my shirt to reveal the big "A" logo... Yunshui 雲‍水 22:03, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

There we go, done. Thanks for the suggestion. Yunshui 雲‍水 22:04, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Request for assistance

Hello, I was wondering if you could review a discussion re: the exclusion of the National Women's Soccer League on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues and provide your feedback? Discussion is available here. I'm seeking some impartial feedback from an administrator. There is a little bit of additional discussion on my Talk page. Thank you for your consideration. Hmlarson (talk) 02:19, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

It looks like you've alrdy got a plethora of additional opinions there (just FYI, a request for comment is the usual way of doing that, and would avoid accusations of canvassing); I don't think adding my voice to the fray would be especially helpful, particularly since I know very little about the topic. I do endorse your suggestion that WP:NFOOTY might benefit from some revision in light of this, though. Yunshui 雲‍水 17:11, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Adding course to Wikipedia's list of courses

Hi, Stuart! Quick question: how do I add our course (Theater History from 1642) to the "master" list of courses here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Courses  ?? Thanks! Amy E Hughes (talk) 20:44, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Amy. It's actually already there - just filter the status to "Planned" instead of "Current". Once the start date rolls around, it will be relisted as current and will appear on the current course list. You can change the start date to today or earlier to make it appear there now, if you wish. Yunshui 雲‍水 17:04, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah! Okay. I will be patient, then. :) Thanks! Amy E Hughes (talk) 17:13, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

IP Special:Contributions/50.138.176.117

Hello Yunshui, What are you doing here on a Sunday afternoon (well, it is here!). I'm not sure if this is really something you want to nip into your convenient telephone kiosk and don your SuperAd tee-shirt for, but the above IP constantly removes headings etc. Also consistently changes the same articles. Almost everything is then duly reverted back by other editors. There don't seem to be that many unconstructive edit warnings on the IPs talk page but I must admit the few I've reverted, I thought they were to basic to bother with and I suspect others felt the same. However, when you go through the contributions there seem to be an awful of them? Probably just something and nothing but maybe worth 'SuperAd' keeping an eye on! SagaciousPhil - Chat 17:24, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Bit later in the evening here (and right back atcha, incidentally...). In all honestly I've got a migraine brewing and I don't think I'm in much condition to make valid admin judgements right now as a result; I'll take a proper look tomorrow if no-one else gets there first. Painkillers and sleep are the order of the day at chateau Yunshui.... Yunshui 雲‍水 18:47, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Haven't encountered something this complex before...

Hello Yunshui,
Taking your advice, I've been doing some work with unblock requests and users with the helpme template on their page. I've also started reviewing requested edits, and I've encountered the following scenario...See this, my response, and the user's talkpage... Anything I did wrong, or should do? Cheers, Kevin12xd (talk) (contribs) 00:14, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

My advice would have been somewhat different, but the end result would have been the same. As with so much on Wikipedia, it boils down to sourcing. Entries in lists are subject to the same notability requirements as articles (per WP:Source list), so if Mr Game's song has received sufficient coverage, it could be added. I can't find any such coverage from a cursory webtrawl, so I'd guess that Happy New Year doesn't meet the inclusion requirements. For the same reason, it probably wasn't a great idea to suggest that he write an article about the song and/or album; it would be deleted before very long.

With a requested edit like this, the addition wouldn't be considered promotional: the editor who added it to the article would not be the same COI editor who proposed it (e.g. if I had found sources showing the song was notable, I would have added it to the list) and simple inclusion in a list is not usually taken to be especially spammy.

However, the result is the same either way: the song shouldn't be included on the list. If Mr Game isn't satisfied with your answer he can always file another edit request (which will probably be denied for the reasons above). No harm done. I'm glad to see you branching out into editor assistance; it can be frustrating at times but is also one of the most rewarding areas of Wikipedia to work in. The one cardinal rule is never to answer a question unless you're sure about the answer - but if you do run across anything you're unsure of, you know where to find me! Yunshui 雲‍水 08:30, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

History of the American West

Hi Yunshui--Thanks for volunteering to be an online ambassador for my course--that would be great. We have a training session tomorrow and will hopefully get started on small editing projects very soon. Lynn Johnson — Preceding unsigned comment added by Docjay57 (talk • contribs) 01:59, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talkpage. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:08, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Mahdi Ahadi

salaam . why did u delete ayatollah ahadi article ? :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.49.68.159 (talk) 11:50, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Because it was a direct copy of this page, which is not freely licenced for reuse. There were other reasons the page wss unsuitable, which have been explained on the article creator's talkpage, but since copyright violations are a legal issue, this was the principal reason for deletion. Yunshui 雲‍水 11:55, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Accord Institute

I'm waiting for status update. Please let me know how to proceed. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Akif5353 (talk • contribs) 22:57, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome to submit a new AFC for the Accord Institute. However, you will need to:

• Ensure that sufficient reliable, independent sources are provided to meet the inclusion requirements
• Avoid any potentially promotional language or content
• Adhere closely to Wikipedia's neutrality policy
• Write the article entirely in your own words, without copying or paraphrasing pre-existing text

If you can follow those basic rules, feel free to recreate Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Accord Institute for Education Research. Yunshui 雲‍水 23:13, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Unblock request denial

Yunshui, you claim that the content of my edit was "irrelevant" in your decision to deny my unblock request but it was the content which led to the original deletions. If you look closely at the deletion pattern, you'll see that 4 different editors deleted my edit. First, they said my edit was "disruptive, then cited copyright rules. Clearly, these people are working in concert to make sure the AR-15 page remains devoid of any facts about it's history as a weapon used in mass killings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trblmkr1 (talk • contribs) 15:13, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I see you've just been blocked again for the same behaviour. You really need to read and understand Wikipedia's policy on edit warring - at this point, the content of the edit is entirely irrelevant. If four different editors revert you - indeed, if only one editor reverts you - the appropriate course of action is to discuss the issue with them, not revert back to your preferred version. Your content may be totally accurate, correct and well-sourced: it doesn't matter. As I said before, you are being blocked for your behaviour, not your content additions. If you don't get your head around this, and soon, you'll probably find yourself blocked indefinitely. Yunshui 雲‍水 20:11, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

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Adminship

Hi Yunshui,
I've been on Wikipedia for almost half a year now, and somehow it just seems to be getting more and more engaging. As you probably know, I enjoy reverting vandalism and commenting on unblock requests. Sometime in the future, preferably in 6 or 7 months, I would like to become an administrator. Ad you are my mentor, who has ultimately guided me out of my vandalism (Wow! I used to be a vandal?), I would very much appreciate it if we began a drawn-out policy immersion to prepare for my RfA. Let me know what you think. Cheers, Kevin12xd (talk) (contribs) 01:40, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh, and by the way, thanks for the beer! Gulp! Wait a minute...I'm not a drinker! Oops.

Hi Kevin,

I'm very glad to have had a hand in guiding you to becoming a constructive contributor, and I'm doubly happy that you're enjoying working on Wikipedia. Adminship is not an inconceivable future goal, but I'll be honest: six or seven months from your current state is somewhat ambitious - I'd be thinking more in one to two years as a timeframe. I know that seems like ages, but trust me, you'll need that sort of period to tick all the necessary boxes for RFA...

First things first: I know I'm always harping on at you about it, but do finish the adoption schooling - not only will it serve to introduce you to some of the policies you'll need to know, but your answers also highlight the areas we need to work on, and that will help me to iron out the wrinkles in your understanding.

Many people - myself included, as it happens - will tend to oppose RFAs where the candidate has not made some significant content contributions. As a minimum, you should aim to have fulfilled the requirements for the autopatrolled userright (50+ created articles which meet the basic sourcing and notabililty criteria) and have a few DYK nominations under your belt; if you can contribute substantially to taking one or two articles to Good Article or even Featured Article status, that will also be a feather in your cap. Content creation, assuming it's done right, shows a sound knowledge of the policies that govern content, and since content is the goal of the whole project, those are far and away the most important rules we have. If you can demonstrate that your purpose here is to improve the encyclopedia, that will count heavily in your favour. In the same vein, try doing some reviewing work at Articles for creation; this is also a good way to show that you know your way around content requirements.

You'll need to show that you can be diplomatic about solving disputes: DRN is, as you've said, long and complicated, but that's the sort of thing you're going to need to deal with as an admin on a regular basis. If that seems a bit too much to start with, try offering a third opinion on some disagreements. The important thing to remember when you get involved in these things is to keep a cool head - don't get involved in cases where you already have a strong opinion one way or the other. If you aren't sure about something, go and read the relevant policy/guideline before commenting. Most importantly, don't become part of the argument - dispute resolution is about mediation, not about adopting one side of the debate and furiously piling in against the opposition.

Help new users. I'm not sure that you have the right temperment to be a Teahouse host at the moment (not a criticism; some of the best admins on Wikipedia have avoided Teahouse work because they don't fit the profile), but you should certainly consider lending a hand at the helpdesk, and you may also want to start tracking the Feedback Dashboard, which is an easy way to find people who need assistance.

Put the Administrators Incident Noticeboard on your watchlist, and keep abreast of the discussions there. Do not get involved in them - just read and inwardly digest. Watching ANI in action can be a bit like watching a car crash in slow motion, but it can also give you a good idea of how the admin corps work.

For the present, try and avoid doing any non-admin admin work (like closing AFD discussions, clerking AIV or RPP, commenting on blocks etc.) Until you've got a better grasp of the policies involved, you're more likely to harm your chances than improve them. Save this sort of work for six to eight months down the road, when you'll be a well-established editor with good decison-making skills.

That'll do for starters. As a simple first goal, try and complete your adoption school by - let's say - the start of April; once that's out of the way we can start thinking about content creation and other areas. Be prepared for a long haul. The important thing to keep in mind is that the overarching goal of this place is to build an encyclopedia, not gather hats - if you can show (not tell) that your goal is the same, you stand a decent chance of passing RFA one day. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:22, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Help!

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Why did you decline my article?

First of all the dergree is variable and secondly it takes two years of your article being in a scientific journal before it is accepted by clay institute. My article has been accepted to scientific journal vixra itself. Why did you decline the Andrew Magdy Kamal article if the sources are valid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.251.206.179 (talk) 17:05, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Because the sources aren't valid. Every single one of them stems directly from (and I've been avoiding identifying you, but since the above comment clearly shows you are Andrew Kamal) your own self-promotion attempts. You may think you're a genius; hell, you may actually be a genius, but until a reliable source (that isn't you) verifies your claims, you don't merit an article on Wikipedia. If even half of your claims are true, you should be world-famous - so how come in all the searches I've run (and I've run quite a few now) I've not once found anyone who isn't you validating your claims?

Wikipedia as a community is generally pretty good at spotting hoaxes; we're well practiced at it. Please give up this vain attempt to create an autobiography here, and do something more constructive with your time. Being in an academic journal might give your work some validity, but since Vixra will publish literally anything, without peer-review, they are not considered a scientific journal by the majority of the academic community. If you have indeed solved Reimann and the Clay Institute verifies it, then all the accolades you desire will be heaped on you (plus a million dolars, if I remember correctly). That will certainly make you notable, but since the Institute gets thousands of "solutions" every year, I wouldn't hold your breath. Yunshui 雲‍水 17:19, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Help

Hello Yunshui. (Are these kanjis "Cloud of water?") You left a reply to my 'help' notice and asked what is the problem,and here is my reply. All my edits in a BLP article Leonard Oprea have been deleted, and they were all based in material that is already in the references. Every single word I wrote was erased. I am now not talking about the entire article that was deleted just when I finished adding all the requested citations, and replaced with this new version. I am talking about additions in the present version. The BLP article as it stands talks about some five years of a career of 30 years, and mentions less than half the books this author has published. Any additions I made to the new article that were based on references I brought to the talk have been deleted. Even references to online editions of books that were already listed were erased. Even books that were mentioned in secondary references were deleted. I don't want to go into an edit war. I am a professional editor in my private life and I edit numerous scientific article. I know the difference between verifiable and not verifiable references and I read the wiki policies on self-published books. In the case of people who self-publish as a direct continuation of regular third party publishing wiki says that this can be included. At least this is what I understand from “Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established expert on the topic of the article, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable third-party publications”. I said that I intend to go into dispute resolution if the matter is not resolved otherwise. Meanwhile not one of 'deleting' editors are responding. User: Biruitorul who wrote the new version and initially agreed to incorporate changes suggested by me, has stopped contributing as well. In short...I would like to solve this matter amicably but this seems unachievable.Sensei2004 (talk) 22:48, 1 February 2013 (UTC) P.S. I don't mind getting a reply here (I read the header after I wrote my comment, sorry).Sensei2004 (talk) 22:51, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Sensei2004. Are you referring to this edit? It seems to me that you're basically attempting to do three things:

1. Establish Oprea's current residence as Auburn
2. Include a mention of Domenii interzise as his first published work
3. Add links to Editura.liternet editions of Oprea's books.

Looking over the article as an uninvolved party (an admittedly fairly quick glance), I have to say that I only partially agree with Biruitorul's removal of those elements:

1. You've provided no source in the article for the statement that Oprea resides in Auburn. Note that I'm not saying this information isn't true, just that it isn't verified by a source. I notice that you did provide this source on the talkpage in an attempt to corroborate the information, but unfortunately all that the linked article shows is that Oprea once ran two writing courses in Auburn. To extrapolate his residency there from that is original research; you're making a claim that isn't in the source. (As an analogy, I've taught martial arts workshops in London and Birmingham, but I don't live in either of those cities - anyone finding my classes listed in the London Evening Standard would be sorely mistaken if they assumed I was a local.) Unfortunately the only acceptable sources I've found for this violate WP:BLPCRIME, since they're all reports of his 2009 arrest. It may not be possible to include this information without violating BLP policy; I think it might be worth bring up at the BLP noticeboard. I'm tempted to suggest that since this information is technically verifiable (anyone with Google and a couple of minutes can find Oprea's home address elsewhere), we should probably include it, but I'm open to being argued out of that position.
2. I can definitely see a case for including Domenii interzise in his publications, but again, it needs to be sourced - this should suffice (it's an interview with Oprea and thus a primary source, but that's acceptable for uncontentious statements about an article's subject).
3. There's no point in including the Editura links - not only are they sales links (which are prohibited by the External Links policy), but they are of no relevance when considered alongside more reputable publishers such as Curtea Veche. There's simply no encyclopedic value in adding this information.

As far as your immediate future actions go, I'd advise against re-adding the information - you'll get yourself in hot water for edit warring if you do. Remember, there's no deadline for Wikipedia: I'd advise further discussion with the other editors involved. Leave them talkpage messages, and wait to hear their views as well. If that fails, then maybe dispute resolution is indeed the next appropriate step. Yunshui 雲‍水 23:50, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt reply. Yes, I was referring to this edit. The deletions were made without any comment, except that User:MSJapan said that the Facebook page indicates Boston as residence, and I don't accept this reason. The previous article that stayed on wiki for a long time indicated that he lived earlier in Boston and now in Maine and I did not have problems when I inserted that. This is just a simple fact, not research, this is where he lives. (The article about his arrest was inserted as an act of vandalism against Oprea, he has meanwhile been cleared of all charges, and this was also discussed in the talk, and this is also mentioned in the interview if I remember correctly).

I have heaps of more material that needs to find its way to the article, and I really don't understand all wiki policies against calling a spade a spade when you see it is a spade. In addition, I cannot be in a situation in which every word I add, and base on references is erased with no explanation. I find myself in a weird situation in which I am not be allowed to add material on my own, and this now seems to be an ownership issue. In any case, thanks for your input, I intend to go to dispute resolution because as you can see I have tried to let User; Biruitorul do the insertions but nothing happened. The article as it stands at the moment is terrible because it dwells only on the past (and even that not accurately) and says nothing about the present, and this is a major flaw for any BLP article. Btw, the links to LiterNet are not "sales links" as the site is not commercial and the download is free. I agree however to just list them as a third edition of his books without the links (and this edition is also mentioned in a secondary source by Liviu Antonesei).Sensei2004 (talk) 03:15, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Age of Majority?

Hi Yunshui,
I was taking a peek over Kudpung's Advice for RfA candidates page, and I noticed the comment about the age of majority (18 in most countries, including Canada.) Unfortunately, as you may have noticed, my age falls way below 18. Considering this, is there any chance my RfA result could be biased? Cheers, Kevin12xd (talk) (contribs) 02:27, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, I'd be lying if I said it wouldn't be an issue. Whilst technically speaking age should be no barrier to adminship (and we do have a few underage admins who are perfectly competent), it can be a factor in people's voting. The problem isn't really physical age so much as maturity; if a candidate's history shows that they can act in a mature and responsible manner then age is less likely to be an issue. Show that you can edit consistently in a calm, competent, level-headed way; demonstrate that you think deeply about all aspects of an issue before commenting on it; put in the hours slogging away to crate content or provide sources; interact with other editors in a reasonable and mature manner: all of these will help mitigate any potential age-related bias. There's an interesting essay on the subject here, if you want to read up a little more. Yunshui 雲‍水 09:18, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Major (duo)

Hi, I just looked on wikipedia for the new UK act Major that was reveiwed by Pop justice a few days ago. I could not see a page but saw that you had deleted one. As this seems to be an upcoming group and is reviewed by the influential online site Pop Justice I would have though they warranted an entry. With an eye on maybe submitting something in the future, did you remove the page because they are very new, the page was uniformative or you felt that their music is not worthwhile? Thanks Jonno — Preceding unsigned comment added by JonnoStokes (talk • contribs) 17:30, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Jonno. The page was deleted because it gave no reason for the group being important or notable, and was therefore eligible for deletion under criterion A7 of the speedy deletion policy. If you wish to contest the deletion, you may do so at Requests for undeletion. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:54, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Spagnos

My page, Spagnos, was deleted by you due to violation. However, all I was doing was letting the world know of the country I created. In a newer, non-violating version, should I say that it is only made-up or what? Please do something, Yunshui. I would love to have a page on Wikipedia and share my ideas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Flyhorses21 (talk • contribs) 18:14, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I have explained to this user at REFUND and on their talk page that this is not what Wikipedia is for, and suggested some alternative outlets for them to write about their invented country. JohnCD (talk) 19:53, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) This is clearly the work of a troller; However, all I was doing was letting the world know of the country I created. In a newer, non-violating version, should I say that it is only made-up or what. Kevin12xd (talk) (contribs) 00:30, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

No, not a troller, just someone who doesn't understand what Wikipedia is for. JohnCD (talk) 11:00, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Re: My unbanning

It seems that Tristan noir has interpreted[4] your reply to me[5] differently than how I took it.

I understood it as meaning "Because everyone but Tristan has said you should be unbanned, I hereby unban you, and you may now freely edit articles on which Tristan has been working", and so I went ahead and made this edit to the article Fujiwara no Takamitsu. If you meant to say that as of that point my IBAN had expired, could you clarify that point for Tristan? I have already tried pointing this out to him, but he seems to take this as me trying to "direct traffic" or otherwise unilaterally declare my own ban to have been lifted.

If indeed you meant, as Tristan apparently believes you did, "If/when you are unbanned, you will be allowed freely edit articles on which Tristan has been working", then my edit was out-of-line, and you can revert it and block me for 24 hours as appropriate.

I must admit, lastly, that I considered making this request of you via e-mail, because I know Tristan noir will, as he has before, draw "creative" conclusions from my contacting other users on their talk pages.[6][7] However, it really isn't necessary, and might have actually impugned my good faith by contacting you privately. I hope by lampshading this fact here I will prevent Tristan from drawing another lengthy diatribe out of this (he has done that to me before, believe it or not).

Cheers!

elvenscout742 (talk) 09:59, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Forgot one! That was actually the worst example: he accuses me of "possible stealth-canvassing" for sending an e-mail to Drmies and "canvassing" for sending him a thank-you for readin the e-mail. The reason I sent that piece by e-mail was that, in the course of dealing with Tristan, who has obvious COI issues, I became 99.9% certain of his real-world identity (and 100% certain of User:Kujakupoet's). I wanted to explain my concern to an admin who was helping me clean up an article the two had messed up, but posting that information on-Wiki would have been WP:OUTING. elvenscout742 (talk) 10:23, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Asking me for clarification, as you've done here, isn't in any way a violation of WP:CANVASS, so you can rest easy on that score. As far as the ban goes, I've reiterated my statement at WP:AN: you are no longer constrained by an interaction ban with Tristan noir. If anyone disagrees with my interpretation of the consensus in that thread then they're free to disagree there or take it up with me here, but since all of the commentators so far support lifting the IBAN (at least your side of it) I'd say the community's opinion is fairly clear. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:07, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Good evening sir Alcides86 (talk) 16:11, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Ambassador application

Hello sir, May I introduce myself I'm User:TucsonDavid. I'd love to be an Ambassador and would like your consideration of my application found [ here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Online_Ambassadors#TucsonDavid ThanksTucsonDavidU.S.A. 17:04, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

YGM

Hello, Yunshui. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Just in case. :) It's about your request. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 21:21, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

First draft ready

Hey, Yunshui! The first draft of your request is ready for testing; check it out at User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/userHistory.js. Let me know what you think. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:15, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

By the way, it is a total replacement for ale_jrb's original userhist script (most of the code is actually the same), so be sure to remove that script before trying this one out. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:21, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

That is SO AWESOME! Pretty much exactly what we need. I've tried it on a couple of pages now and it works like a dream. A whole bunch of lecturers are going to be very grateful to you - as am I. Yunshui 雲‍水 23:05, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Heh, I'm glad you like it. Just a minor point, though: you don't have to copy the entire script over to your common.js page; you can just write importScript("User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/userHistory.js");, and it'll do the hard work for you. Keeps your js pages a bit neater, and you get updates automatically. No big deal, though. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 23:30, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

But... all the pretty colours...

Hey, I've also realised this is going to be really handy for anti-vandal work and general admin stuff; having all a user's edits to a page in one place will make reviewing histories a hell of a lot quicker, especially on my laggy machine. Yunshui 雲‍水 23:36, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I know, the pretty colors are nice, but then you don't get the nifty new feature that I just added, which lets you hide and re-show the diff display at will after loading it the first time, through just clicking the button again. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 00:12, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I've changed it now. Still very excited about putting this to use. Yunshui 雲‍水 08:00, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Incidentally (and this a case in point as to why you should never do anything for anybody, ever), is there a way to adjust it so that the Inspect Edit button is available in the general history, as well as the segregated one? Yunshui 雲‍水 08:02, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Aaaand that was the other thing I'd figure you would ask for. It's actually not as easy as it sounds; right now, the script catches the new lines as they're being created and adds the buttons as they go by, but with the standard history screen, we have to find them and get information out of them after the fact. Should still be possible (and not too difficult), so I'll work on it. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:06, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Well don't herniate yourself in the process; since you've already given me a magical flying horse it seems a bit churlish for me to complain that it isn't a unicorn. What we have now is already a hugely useful tool (and the addition of Inspect Edit to the general history wouldn't be of any use to WEP instructors, so it's extraneous to the original design brief). Yunshui 雲‍水 14:11, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually, it turned out to be really easy; Mediawiki turned out to have exactly the information I needed, for a change. Refreshing change of pace. The new script is at User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/generalHistory.js; importScript as usual. :) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:44, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Sweet, got me a unicorn!

Now that's a shiny bit of scripting. I believe I may have mentioned this before, but you really do rock at this sort of thing. I promise, no further demands. At least until I think of some other useful thing I'd like... Yunshui 雲‍水 14:52, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Dude. That is the creepiest unicorn I've ever seen. How many people has that one impaled on his horn and devoured (and apparently used their blood as eyedrops?) Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 14:55, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Those medieval beastiaries didn't mess about; a unicorn to them was basically a pointy horse with anger management issues... Yunshui 雲‍水 14:58, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Unicorns have a bit of a thing for those eyedrops --Demiurge1000 (talk) 15:00, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

That explains a lot... Yunshui 雲‍水 15:03, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Writ Keeper, this is really cool! I have two suggestions that might make it more useful for instructors trying to grade their students' contributions. First, a way to expand all the diffs at once, instead of having to click on "inspect" for each one. Second, add a link that would appear next to each article listed in the Students table on a course page, which links directly to the isolated contributions by that student to the article. I don't know how tough either of those would be to add, but I think between the two of them, those features would make it a tool that a lot of instructors would want to use.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 21:59, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Sage! Having them all click together was the original idea, but requesting that many diffs at once is an expensive server call; I've been advised that one at a time (and there's a synchronization lock to make sure one request can't start while another is running), so I'd rather not do that idea. I'll take a look at your other suggestion, but in the meantime, this might help: User:Writ Keeper/Scripts/contribsHistory.js. It's the same as above, but it now works on a user's contributions. I figured three's a charm. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 22:46, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! The third one will certainly be useful for instructors too. I think I'll make a screencast showing how to install and use these for reviewing student contribution. Let me know if want to implement suggestion 2 or not, when you get a chance. (If so, I'll wait until then to make the screencast.)--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 15:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I'm gonna give it a shot. Should be done by the end of the day. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:52, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, to my surprise, the functionality needed to do this was already built into Ale jrb's script; since I based userHistory.js off of that, it's already ready to go. It's just a question of adding the right buttons to the table. Basically, the buttons need to link to this url: /w/index.php?title=(whatever the page name is)&action=history&isolate=(whatever the user's name is). Both of those values need to be URL encoded, which can be done with a substed magic word. Do you know how I'd add a button like that, or at least where to go to do it? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Hmmm... I don't, but I'll ask Jeroen (the extension developer). If the necessary hooks aren't there now, we could probably add them.--Sage Ross (WMF) (talk) 16:26, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Shannon Bennett Article

Hi Yunshui I am web developer of www.vuedemonde.com.au you delete my article( Shannon Bennett Page ) I want to say that the content of http://www.vuedemonde.com.au/shannon_bennett_biography was written by me. By the way I am working for Shannon Bennett And if it is possible please restore the article I write another biography for him Thank you so much — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahcin (talk • contribs) 23:06, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Since the text on your website is not unambiguously released under a CC-BY-SA licence (or similar free licence) it cannot be legally used on Wikipedia. All Wikipedia content, including that submitted from other sites, must be free to reuse, alter, sell or redistribute, with attribution. Even if the content were free to use, its tone is promotional and unencyclopedic, and is not at all appropriate for Wikipedia. In addition, you have a clear conflict of interest regarding Mr Bennett, and thus, per our conflict of interest guidelines you are strongly discouraged from writing about him here. A more appropriate avenue would be to list his name at Request articles, so that an unbiased, neutral editor can create an appropriate page. Yunshui 雲‍水 23:30, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

User:Manumurali2012

Hi, could you please look on the contributions of this user. I have looked and reverted spam links which he continue to post in Indian actors/actresses and also on other articles. Since his last block (which you performed), he hasn't changed his style of editing here. Could you also take actions if needed. Thanks. Torreslfchero (talk) 13:25, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Never mind, user has been indefinitely blocked by JamesBWatson. Torreslfchero (talk) 13:27, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

That was easy. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:28, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello. You have a new message at WT:ADOPT.Template:Z21 Thanks! Go Phightins! 21:52, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Arash Dibazar

Why was this deleted? He is the only other student alive under Manu Tupou and is pretty well known in the San Jose Area. Here are new data that support his martial arts career http://www.graciemag.com/2012/06/a-letter-from-a-black-belt-to-sandro-batata/

HE is Sandro Batatas FIRST Black Belt

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.152.186.69 (talk) 22:44, 5 February 2013 (UTC) 

(talk page stalker) The one source is not enough to establish notability for this person. Kevin12xd (contribs) 00:43, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

The reasons for deletion are given at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arash Dibazar. As Kevin says, that additional source is insufficient to attest to notability, since it's not independent of the subject. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:44, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

"Eponline"?

Hi Yunshui,
I was casually taking a look at Titodutta's editcounter and it seems that he has picked up a right called "eponline". Any ideas as to what that might be? Cheers, Kevin12xd (contribs) 01:03, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
Oh, and I hope you don't mind that I made a host profile on the Teahouse; if you dissaprove, let me know. I've responded to two questions so far.

That would be because he's an Education Project Online Ambassador (one of these). It's a minor userright that give access to a couple of additional pages in the Special: namespace and allows extra editing options on certain Education Project pages. Nothing terribly special.

I don't see any issue with your Teahouse responses (that talkpage one is an odd case...), in fact your enthusiastic tone sits rather well there. Just avoid answering anything you're not 100% sure of and you should be fine. Yunshui 雲‍水 07:42, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

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Introduction for Theater History from 1642 (Spring '13)

Yunshui, Hello.

I am a student editor from Brooklyn College Theater History from 1642 (Spring '13). I am introducing myself as part of the initial wikipedia assignment.

Cheers,

 Bufoamer (talk) 18:29, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Yunshui-

  I am here to introduce myself; My name is Emily Blumenauer and I am in Professor Hughes History class. I will most likely be needing a lot of your help managing this wikipedia process!

Thank you Emily BlumenauerEmilyBlume (talk) 18:40, 6 February 2013 (UTC)