User talk:Mark Arsten

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Femininity

You need to note that the IP has continued to edit-war, inserting his proposed changes without meaningful discussion - he posted something on Talk and then immediately implemented changes without gaining consensus, in the face of three editors who have rejected his claim that "stereotype" is a POV word. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 13:35, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

As soon as somebody other than you reverts me, then I'll be happy to wait. 2.102.187.12 (talk) 14:05, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

So basically you're committed to edit-warring to get your POV in, rather than working to convince other editors that your proposal is acceptable. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 14:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

It's more like I'm sick of you reverting me wherever you can so I require somebody else to before leaving it alone. 2.102.187.12 (talk) 14:54, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

• You two are both edit warring and will probably be blocked if you keep it up. Take it to the talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:34, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Grace Sherwood FA

Thank you from PSky and Wehwalt for your comment and review of this recently successful FAC. PumpkinSky talk 20:26, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

My pleasure, congratulations on the promotion. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:38, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Turn-off article feedback tool

Hey mark, I accidently turned-on the article feedback tool on the Senthil Kumar article. Can you please let me know how to turn it off? Thanks -- L o g X

I turned it back off. Not sure how to do it as a non-admin though. I should look into that. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:38, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much man! -- L o g X 20:39, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

You disabled it strongly enough that only an admin can re-enable it now. To disable it as a regular user, click "View feedback" in the Toolbox, then the gear in the top right corner, then "Disable feedback." Can you re-enable it through the protection interface and then disable it that way, so that if a regular user wants to re-enable it in the future, they can? Jackmcbarn (talk) 21:55, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I disabled it that way. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:25, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

It ended up super-disabled again. Jackmcbarn (talk) 03:00, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, I used the view feedback -> gear -> disable process, so I'm not sure what to tell you. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:37, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Devyn Rose

A page was created for musician Devyn Rose last year and I was asked to provide/establish notability. Her single "Want It All" is in rotation on the following commercial radio stations in the US via reliable tracking source Mediabase

• WRVZ-FM
• WOCQ-FM
• KHTT-FM
• WZMX-FM
• KPAT-FM
• KAGM-FM
• KWYL-FM

Please advise as I would like to recreate the wiki and add this information.

PinkStaircase (talk) 23:12, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Have you reviewed the WP:MUSICBIO criteria? Mark Arsten (talk) 02:13, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello, yes, I have and it states that the musician must have at least one of the criterias and she has #11: Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network. She is currently on rotation on 7 major commerical radio stations in the United States. PinkStaircase (talk) 18:46, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, you can apply to WP:DRV to have the deletion overturned if you like. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:11, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, I read DRV and it states I should only apply if you and I can't come to a resolution? Is it possible you restore the article to my sandbox and I add the above mentioned for your review before its actually published? Or should I apply anyway? PinkStaircase (talk) 23:03, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, the page is now at User:PinkStaircase/Devyn Rose for you to work on. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:07, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Mark, I've made the changes, please review when you have a moment. Will continue to revise in the meantime PinkStaircase (talk) 00:41, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, looks a little better, but I'm not too familiar with notability guidelines in this area. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:13, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Is there someone/somewhere I should post to, to find out? Or can my article be moved to the public space for one of the Wiki reviewers to determine? PinkStaircase (talk) 16:34, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Like I said above, if you apply at WP:DRV they'll decide if it is sufficient or not. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:36, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

ok, thank you for your help PinkStaircase (talk) 16:48, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Fairfax

I have opened discussion on the talk page. He makes reverts anyway, then says the article needs reliable sources when it used to have 6 of them. I guess he removed the sources. I resourced it with a Time article citing the incident. Shouldn't that be relevant enough??? It's in the no contact section. You can read the talk page and see there has been a consensus to not remove it but he did anyway. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairfax_County_Public_Schools 01:59, 12 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.0.1.204 (talk)

Well, you really have to deal with it on the talk page instead of just reverting. See WP:DR for details. You might want to think about an WP:RFC too. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:03, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks much

Hi Mark. Thanks much for the unprotection of Wikipedia:RefToolbar. I also must thank you again for your work on Church of the SubGenius. That article was WP:OWNed by church members for years and it's really great to finally have a proper article there. Thanks for the great work. 64.40.54.112 (talk) 02:14, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome! I hadn't realized we had met before when I saw the request, but now I remember you. Always good to see helpful IPs around :) Mark Arsten (talk) 02:16, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

Delete plea

Hi Mark. I want to ask you to delete my user talk page. I'm planning to retire and I won't need it any more. Thanks in advance.--Вик Ретлхед (talk) 13:27, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) User talk pages cannot be deleted at the user's request, because they can contain warnings, etc. posted by other users, and that needs to remain in the public archives (see policy on that here). You can blank it or replace its content with {{retired}}, though. Jackmcbarn (talk) 15:56, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

That's true. Also, user talk pages can "kind of" be deleted if you use the WP:RTV process (although the history will still exist, just under a different name). Mark Arsten (talk) 16:39, 12 September 2013 (UTC)

AFD procedure question

Hi, I notice you closed Intelligent Design (Historical)'s AFD with "Delete". In the future, what does our process say about adding any of that content to Intelligent design. After all, merging was a close runner up in the outcome, and was explicitly before you as an option, but you rejected it. Does wiki process allow, or frown, on going ahead and trying to add that to the other article anyway, i.e., after the "merge" option was rejected by the closing admin? No emotion here, just a genuine question about procedure. I probably won't work on it either way. Just seeking education to be a better informed ed. Thanks. Please include wikilinks in any reply. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 18:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's still possible for some of it to be selectively merged. I could undelete the history and leave a redirect if you'd like to take a shot at it. The thing is, though, you'd have to get consensus for your additions first on Talk:Intelligent design since it's a featured article. Might be tough, but there might be a case for working in some content from the 19th century in Intelligent design#Origin of the concept. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:16, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for reply, I just wanted procedural edification; I don't have the large amount of time it would take to navigate DR to do that.NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:55, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:AN3

Thanks. I was just trying rather helplessly to find the right template for it, but you were quicker. :-) Bishonen | talk 20:00, 13 September 2013 (UTC).

Oops, didn't mean to steal your edit there, I didn't look at the timestamps and assumed it was several hours old for some reason. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:19, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

No, no, it's fine. Dividing up the action between doing the block and closing the thread is all to the good IMO, and I never did find the right template. I always get in a tizzy about these things, and worry about making it clear to the bot. (Or is that just on WP:RFPP? I'm more used to that board.) Bishonen | talk 20:32, 13 September 2013 (UTC).

Hmm, to be honest, I'm really not sure if a bot archives AN3 or not. I'll have to look into that. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:41, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Ganjaprenuer

Hello, Mark Arsten. You recently closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ganjapreneur, noting consensus for soft redirect. Problem is, there is no entry at wikt:ganjapreneur. In fact, I can't find the word mentioned anywhere on Wiktionary. Cnilep (talk) 23:27, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Huh, I just assumed there was because the people in the Afd wanted it redirected to that. Guess I should have checked. I wonder what to do now. Well, I guess I'll delete it until someone makes an entry for it on Wiktionary then restore the soft redirect. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:31, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

Syria

Just to let you know, an IP editor (presumably the same person who was vandalizing the Syrian Civil War Timeline article, although he appears to have switched IP yet again) left this profane message on the article's talk page attacking you personally. Might a rangeblock be in order? FiredanceThroughTheNight (talk) 00:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

My fan club is growing by the day ;) Mark Arsten (talk) 00:07, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Looks like a fairly large range, so there might be collateral damage if it's blocked. I don't know though, might want to get a second opinion on it. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:41, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Protect the article. PumpkinSky talk 01:04, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

The article's protected, we're just wondering what to do about the talk page now. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:15, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for your help this evening. Much appreciated. Cheers, JNW (talk) 01:21, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:22, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Vegetarianism, Part 2

Thanks for this. Before you did that, I was about to state: "Mark, the IP range that led you to protect the Vegetarianism article before (User talk:Mark Arsten/Archive the twelfth#Vegetarianism article) is back. I really think that the IP is a WP:Troll, given what is currently shown on the talk page. Mind semi-protecting this article again until the dispute is over? Well, hopefully, it will be over before whatever date you set for it...if you do semi-protect the article."

I guess that you still have the Vegetarianism article on your watchlist. Flyer22 (talk) 02:32, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Wow, I guess I timed that pretty well! Mark Arsten (talk) 02:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

LOL. Flyer22 (talk) 02:52, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Mark Arsten would you mind formally closing this discussion started by the IP? It's decidedly not constructive and pretty much a compendium of attacks directed at Flyer22. Thanks. Gaba ^(talk) 03:33, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that really was heavy on the NPA violations. I'd block, but it would have to be a reasonably large rangeblock in this case, so I protected instead and hatted the section. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:45, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mark, thanks for your work for Wikipedia. I would like to put my side of story. Flyer22 started personal attack against my good faith editing in the first place. I am not Flyer22's past enemy. I never talked to Flyer22 before. All I want to do is improve the scientific/academic quality of the article. But Flyer22 cannot engage in a scientific debate, just want to fight. 124.149.42.1 (talk) 04:06, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't like to protect talk pages like that, but some of the comments you directed at Flyer in the Talk:Vegetarianism#Definitions_of_vegetarianism were clear violations of our WP:NPA policy. To be honest, I would have blocked you for them if you weren't on a dynamic IP. If you'd like me to unprotect that page, you'd first have to convince me that you'll adhere to our civility (WP:CIVIL) and no personal attacks policies. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:11, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I always aware and adhere (WP:CIVIL). I disagree that I did personal attack. As we can see on the talk page, I did respond to Flyer22, described Flyer22's uncivil conducts. Because Flyer22 attacked me in the first place. I believe that you tried to maintain fairness as much as possible. I think you will equally consider the incivility of Flyer22, which is the cause of the dispute. I look forward to a quality academic debate on the topic of vegetarianism. 124.149.113.10 (talk) 04:37, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I am also wondering, what kind of evidence you want about I am in good faith editing? I can provide more information.

I wrote ' I think you will equally consider the incivility of Flyer22', because of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith‎ . But apparently, some of the editors I talked to today, did the exactly opposite to me. 124.149.113.10 (talk) 05:47, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Please comment on content, not other contributors. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:56, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

'Please comment on content, not other contributors.' Will you or did you ask Flyer22 do so EQUALLY? I hope anyone told Flyer22. Did you somehow block Flyer22 so she cannot attack other editors or edit-warring? Sufficient time has passed, I am going to conclude my conversation on this page. Your intervention on the talk page is very unjust and disappointing. 124.149.166.160 (talk) 22:13, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I haven't seen any attacks on other editors from her, to be honest. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:05, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Parents' Worship Day

Hi, how those closed with a "no consensus"? I expected a "speedy keep" or "keep" at least. --Tito☸Dutta 04:16, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, there was about an equal number of reasonably policy-based people on each side. It didn't seem to be that there was enough numerical superiority or lack of grounding in policy on either side, to me at least. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:10, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

• Policy based argument? Please show me a single valid delete vote argument there. a) the nominator did not give any rationale (he was asked twice, but, he did not write any), b) there is not a single valid argument to delete the article. I am still wondering why this article was nominated for deletion. --Tito☸Dutta 22:07, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, three participants argued that the article was unfit for inclusion due to its promotional nature, which is a legitimate argument to make. It didn't gain consensus, of course, but it's not so weak as to be disqualified as an argument as it has some basis in policy. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:04, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Explanation request (continued)

Sorry for bringing this up again, but I forgot to ask something that might help me better understand how Wikipedia policy is applied: you explained why you decided not to block in that case, but why did you state that even an administrator warning was not called for? Dogmaticeclectic (talk) 06:27, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I guess I felt that her edits fell into the "normal content disagreement" rather than the "edit warring" spectrum, to put it concisely. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:11, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

hey

you dumb. You is will be ban. I is own wiki. I speak good English next year. — ChedZILLA 13:12, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Will BeWhat? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:46, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

lol, I should save all my fan mail so I'll have something to look back on in my declining years. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:54, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Remember too, in Soviet Russia, IP blocks you! -- Diannaa (talk) 01:52, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Sunbeam Tiger page status

Hi Mark, I noted you're in some position to be familiar with the Wiki process. The Sunbeam Tiger article page has "Featured Article" status. Unfortunately, in the eyes of most Tiger owners that have visited and read the page, the status is more accurately represented by the "start" rating, because the editors appear to have reached factually (and easily proved to be) incorrect conclusions on most points of detail regarding the origins, development, and production of the Tiger. What is the appropriate process to lodge a dispute with the page content, other than to raise the issue on the corresponding Talkpage? The current editors seem to be loath to make changes because they spent a bunch of time getting to where they are, but they are quick to slam the door on anyone else providing input at this point regardless of how good the source of the information may be.TheoSmit (talk) 21:54, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, what matters is the sources. Anyone can show up on the talk page and say the page is wrong, so we require arguments about what is the truth of the matter to be verifiable (WP:V). So, to win the argument, you have to come up with reliable sources that confirm your claims (WP:IRS). If you feel that the article is contradicted by reliable sources and thus does not deserve to be featured, you can nominated its featured status for removal at WP:FAR. Note that nominations can only take place 6 months after the article's promotion and one week after concerns are first raised on the talk page. By the way, if you're subjected to personal attacks you're free to raise the issue at WP:ANI. Let me know if you have any more questions, Mark Arsten (talk) 23:09, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Sept 14th AfD for National Institue of Fashion (ludhiana)

Could you please help. Tito seems to have clearly taken a dislike to me because of a previous AfD that I argued was closed by him less then 23 hours after posting in which he seemed to me more guided by keeping an India project article up then anything else. It was reopened while I was offline, and closed again. I thought nothing of it till today. I posted an article for AfD that is clearly too soon. A minister in India announced a day or two ago that a fashion institute should be opened in a city. No firm plans are on hand, no money has been provided to fund it, heck no firm commitment to open it. It may or may not happen even. However Tito posts a vote more against the user then anything. When I reply back assuming he misunderstood that the article was about a new institute and not one currently open in a different state he let into a very personal attack. I replied back to give a response to what I see as an attack on the user and not the substance of the AfD. (I might concede it being notable if it wasn't for the only thing about it was an announcement two days ago saying one is needed) Either way it's far from a bad faith nom, and his follow up posting where he drags in my talk page history pointing directly to the section on the AfD I had argued was closed early shows me this is personal and not policy driven. Caffeyw (talk) 23:20, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm having a little trouble following your comments here, but I see DGG has posted on the page encouraging him to assume good faith. That's probably all that's needed for now. Maybe try to avoid him for a while if you can, as well? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Basically it boils down IMO to Tito wants India projects Kept, not deleted, or even marked no consensus. I believe I got on his bad side where I had asked for a reopening of a IMO bad NAC closing less then 23 hours after opening. Now it's attack the user arguing bad faith, when I've provided a very logical position that it's way too soon for an article. Basically nothing has happened other then two days ago a Minister announced that a city should get a campus of National Institute of Fashion. No money has been earmarked, no legislative approval has been given, there's no building plans, nothing other then a statement that a city should get a campus. I've put that makes it way too soon for a campus article. A mention on the main page of the institute sure, but an article on a campus that may or may not even open no. Caffeyw (talk) 06:47, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Saying that he just wants every Indian article kept is a bit unfair, isn't it? I'm sure he's operating in good faith himself, even if he should assume more good faith about your actions. Mark Arsten (talk) 07:01, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

FYI I was happy to leave this alone, however guy1980 seems to feel bringing an issue to you as admin is vote canvassing. That's a outrageous thing to say when I never asked you to vote at all. I asked you to take a look at an issue. All his post now does is tell people they are not welcome to bring issues to an admin. If anything it almost seems like two people have teamed up together now. I don't mind you choosing to ignore the issue on Tito, but IMO guy1980's actions have crossed a line. Caffeyw (talk) 15:26, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

• Generally one should report at ANI and not to an admin and inform the other editor as a "courtesy". The last AFD he is talking about, there his AFD's rational was "film will release after one month, so delete", he also called the film "non-notable", even a simple Google search shows many coverages, and if a film is releasing in few weeks, that is a reason to speedy keep and not to delete.
  I did not mind his "toosoon" point, but, he somehow added a "non-notable" allegation. A central government' national institute — non notable? And it is not he first or second time... see history of his talk page. And, he again feels, I want to "keep" all India articles, though in reality, I regularly give "delete" votes, and very recently I have converted few AFDs to speedy. --Tito☸Dutta 15:52, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Anyone that's been following what's been going on recently at AfD can see pretty clearly that there's a growing list of editors that are growing tired of cleaning up "Caffeyw's" messes. "Caffeyw" has been mostly ignoring/deleting messages that have been posted to their talk page, by other editors & administrators, that have been, at best, confused by their actions, and I'm trying to be nice here. They either need a mentor, or they need to stop accelerating their behavior at AfD and what appears to be the New Page Patrol. Newcomers to Wikipedia, like "Caffeyw", that end up biting other newcomers is pretty much pointless behavior. Guy1890 (talk) 07:26, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Finding a mentor sounds like a pretty good solution, actually. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:27, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	I hereby award you this barnstar for your help with F5 deletions. Your contributions are noticed and appreciated! Diannaa (talk) 01:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. I figured I'd branch out into some image work since there's plenty to be done! Mark Arsten (talk) 01:48, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Agira (Ultra monster)

Please restore this material Agira (Ultra monster) so it can be merged into List_of_Ultra_Seven_monsters or merge it there yourself. Thanks. μηδείς (talk) 01:59, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm hesitant to do so since no one in the deletion discussion supported a merge. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:34, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

What a disgrace

I can't believe you were convinced by this biased discussion and deleted the page Samuel Westrop. He was clearly a notable person, with hours of work put on creating his article. A shame to Wikipedia Yambaram (talk) 10:54, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, you're free to take it to WP:DRV if you like. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Nadine_Dorries_and_accusations_of_nepotism

As you have locked the page please read my comments here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Nadine_Dorries_and_accusations_of_nepotism

and consider reenstating the headline in a form as I suggested — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.88.100 (talk) 11:27, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

I probably won't get involved any further in this, sorry. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

You're the one who locked the page - before we'd finished discussing it, to block me out. I provided the link everyone asked for. Now you've decided it doesn't matter what my arguments are - you're going to ignore them.

If you don't want to be involved then would you unlock the page please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.25.102 (talk) 21:25, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

From what I have read of your arguments at BLPN, I find them very unconvincing. So I'm not sure you'd be well served if I got further involved. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:41, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Could you expand on that? Just the word "Unconvincing" is a cop out. You've gone from saying you're slinging a deaf ear to dismissing everything I've said with one vague word. But you're unwilling to say how or why or to offer an argument that I could counter. You haven't made any argument to date at all. All you've done is lock the page and before you'd even heard what I had to say. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.25.102 (talk) 21:54, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, you were trying to put a negative slant on an article about a living person without the use of reliable sources, then all you've done on the BLPN page to back up said negative information is offer unreliable sources. That is totally against our rules. We take a very dim view of people who come here to push their POV, see WP:NPOV for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:13, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

No, I was giving a clear concise title. "Nepotism" which is exactly the word for the issue in question. I have moved half way in suggesting that it be changed to "Allegations of Nepotism" or something similar. I do not see how there can be any objection to that. That is what the issue is about - whether employing your daughters as an MP is appropriate. The title as you've put it completely fails to express that her employing her daughter is contentious. A bare statement that she employs her relatives ignore the whole point about why those details appeared in the newspaper at all.

Why is the Mirror article an unreliable source? Its not. I provided exactly what people were asking for - the exact words they asked for "Nepotism" and Dorries in a national newspaper. There are 200 MPs involved in this practice - in the many other articles in which they do not mention Dorries specifically they headline it with the word "Nepotism". I provided a Telegraph link for that. Nepotism is the one word in the English language for employing relatives. The issue of the 200 MPs (including Dorries) is given under Wikipedias own "Nepotism" page.

I happen to think she has practiced Nepotism but the title "Allegations of Nepotism" doesn't have my slant on it in any way at all. It is a totally neutral title saying what the issue is all about. As opposed to that being altogether absent in your title. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.25.102 (talk) 22:41, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

The mirror is indeed a poor source to be basing negative BLP information off of. Also, I don't see why we should call it "Allegations of Nepotism" since there are no allegations being made in that section. We would need good sources that discuss the allegations to include that. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

"The mirror is indeed a poor source to be basing negative BLP information off of". Its only being used as a source (because others asked for it) to establish that what she was being accused of is "nepotism" specifically. They asked for that exact word - the article does that - so its a perfect source. Its not being used as a source to establish whether or not the allegation is true - only that there is an allegation (there is -its there) so your argument about "basing negative BLP information off" is besides the point. I was asked to provide something specific and I did.

I didn't come up with "Allegations of Nepotism" - someone else did for the discussion title so I accepted that. That she employs her relatives is only of note because it is contentious and because it is regarded as nepotism and a practice that the chairman of the Committee on Standards in Public Life said should be banned

You'll allow a little piece that mentions the fact that she employs her relatives but demand that we omit that it is a matter of controversy. That's the only reason it appears in the source. I'm the one who created the section. I read it in my local newspaper and thought it was significant enough to add to her page.

I took the information from the source without putting any "negative slant" that you accuse me of at all - and chose the simplest most concise title possible "nepotism" to convey that aspect of it. But you've removed it and I can't change the article. So I suggest that you perhaps reintroduce the fact that her employing her daughters is controversial and regarded as nepotism by the Mirror and the Telegraph and most of the general public, rightly or wrongly, in whatever form of words or title you choose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.237.79 (talk) 00:55, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I'd consider noting that her actions generated controversy, but I'd have to see a good source stating as much first. Any recommendations? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:58, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

What is the objecton to including the fact that it is regarded as nepotism by all those sources? That's what the controversy is. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.237.79 (talk) 01:14, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

You'll have to bear with me here, I've got a lot of things going on at once. Which sources other than the Mirror describe her actions as nepotism? Mark Arsten (talk) 01:17, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/6435511/MPs-expenses-let-them-pay-for-nepotism-themselves.html

http://conservativehome.blogs.com/centreright/2009/06/in-praise-of-nepotism.html

http://blogs.birminghampost.co.uk/news/2009/08/a-little-nepotism-is-a-good-th.html

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/mps-claim-more-now-than-they-did-before-the-expenses-scandal-8814520.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/mp-has-three-family-members-on-his-staff-list-2063316.html

http://www.heraldscotland.com/comment/iain-macwhirter/goodbye-nepotism-and-tax-evasion-how-will-our-poor-mps-manage-1.929659 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.237.79 (talk) 01:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken, none of those sources seem to mention Nadine Dorries. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:58, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

No they don't single out Nadine Dorries there are 200 MP's involved so they're not going to mention each one. But as someone who employs her daughters and who is an MP they clearly refer to her.

These mention her:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10307458/MPs-expenses-How-MPs-could-avoid-the-trouble-and-strife.html

http://www.ukwirednews.com/news.php/4154-MPs-second-mortgages-and-nepotism-banned

This is about her: about 9 of the comments on the first page use the word "nepotism".

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/06/19/nadine-dorries-pays-student-daughter-philippa-39k-_n_1609139.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.31.31.212 (talk) 18:44, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

There are any number of blogs.

http://order-order.com/2010/08/25/keeping-it-in-the-family/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.31.31.212 (talk) 18:49, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't know about the reliability of ukwirednews, but blogs and the Huffington Post are poor sources for a BLP. The Telegraph piece seems to be an op-ed piece, and we really can't change a header in an article because a phrase is indirectly used in one column like that. It seems like you're twisting and straining the sources to come to a certain conclusion here, so you can use negative language in this BLP. It doesn't seem like reliable sources at support the language you're trying to use here. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:58, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not twisting and straining - it took me hardly any time to find those. You have an absurd objection to including the word everyone uses for people employing their relatives in public service - nepotism. Not saying she's practised it - but that there is a controversy re nepotism. I've provided a MASS of evidence that that is the case. But I clearly should have taken the more-than-a-hint when you initially said you were going to give a deaf ear to anything I might say.

If you recall, I suggested above that you change the article to reintroduce the fact that employing the daughters is controversial because you removed it, and locked me out. If you're not prepared to do so, then their is nothing I can do about that. And if "nepotism" is a taboo word despite it being THE word for it - then so be it. But your approach which anyone can read above really does you no credit. I've had enough so won't be making any more comments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.31.31.212 (talk) 19:35, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Righdamhna reinstated

See [1] - this editor just doesn't get it, I was about to warn him but I'm leaving it to you if you don't mind - you were the closing Admin and turned it into the redirect, and I've already warned him so many times he may not take me seriously. An IP has changed it back to the redirect. Dougweller (talk) 15:03, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads' up, protected now. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Gundam article

Please userify the Timelines of Gundam to my user page; I have been greatly distracted with side drama, but whether or not I assert 150-300 primary and secondary sources the page was incomplete and a multi billion dollar franchise comprising hundreds of works far surpassing Lord of the Rings in scope and complexity. The Timeline of Arda page has numerous resources including secondary sources. Gundam's complexity, like Macross and other works have numerous articles about this and NRVE and BEFORE show that the complex work needs to be in appropriate context somewhere and a list of media as they are presented chronologically serves a clear and demonstrated purpose. I feel that this deletion was wrong because it was not "any effort to re-create or uphold the illusion of the original fiction by omitting real-world info." the biggest difference is that in the thirty years of a consistent timeline comprising hundreds of hours of video and thousands of pages contained in books/mangas and additional supplementary material is important to address the placement of the works themselves because Gundam is one of the few series that spans hundreds of years. Even a page like Dune (franchise) including the inclusion of its chronology on that page helps readers understand the subject and that is why it should be included. At this point, I'd prefer it userified if my arguments alone are not enough to justify its inclusion at this point. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 15:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, userfied it. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Continued reversions on femininity

Please note that the IP user has continued to revert-war on femininity. See [2] and [3] - other editors have reverted and the IP user shows no signs of stopping the edit war. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 18:10, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I think our IP friend needs to take a break from reverting for a while. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:14, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Northkeep Merge

I have just completed the Northkeep merge as per the AFD you closed, but I may not have done it correctly/completely. If you have a few minutes could you make sure it has been merged correctly and fix anything I left out? Thanks.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 18:23, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Looks good for the most part. The only thing is you should have stated in this edit summary which page you were merging from. It's pretty obvious looking at it, but it's best to include that in the edit summary anyway. Thanks for doing that merge. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:32, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Gone Home edit

You cant deny that what i said about it is true though — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.238.122.18 (talk) 19:31, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

You may be right, yes, but you shouldn't add that to the article. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:07, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Paul Bannon

Hello, in July you protected Paul Bannon for edits made by a sockpuppet. The protection has expired and the vandal is back, could you please revert and protect again? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 22:11, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

How could it possibly be vandalism if links are being ADDED to the page???? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.167 (talk) 22:16, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you Mark, IP now reverting Paddy McCourt, could you do the same? Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 22:23, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey JMHamo how about answering the question??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.26 (talk) 22:30, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

IP hopping, sigh JMHamo (talk) 22:34, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, protected that too. IP, I encourage you to propose changes on the talk page instead of edit warring over them. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:02, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Sigh all you want. Struway2 saw your vandalism and reverted because it was ADDING information. For your information a vandal is someone who routinely undoes work. And Mark there is no need to protect pages when information is being added. It does not matter who does it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.167.254.21 (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Regardless of the merit of your additions, edit warring is considered disruptive (hence why I protected). Please make your case on the talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:07, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

WP:RFPP

Hey Mark, thanks for the quick response to my request at WP:RFPP for Atlantic Records. Before I made the request I was not aware of this as I assume you were not either. Looks like the page had just finished its second year long semi-protection in a row. Judging by the immediate vandalism, looks like we might need a two year protection or maybe indefinite semi-protection. Either way, thanks for taking the time to look over WP:RFPP, it seems like whenever you don't it takes two-three days to get a response just for the reports to go stale. STATic message me! 00:29, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

My mistake, I should have checked the log for past protections. You're welcome, I recall that I always hated the wait for a page to be protected, so it's great that I can help now. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:31, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Owens hoax AfD

I don't see how you got consensus for delete out of that discussion. The nom's claim that the only mention of it since 2008 was a passing one in 2012 got debunked promptly when an editor pointed out a significant mention in 2011 and I can debunk it further. Another vote said "delete or merge" and another was a delete that essentially argued some sort of "aid and comfort to the enemy" rationale rather than any legitimate policy-based reason. Clearly, no consensus existed in that discussion.--The Devil's Advocate _{tlk. cntrb.} 04:00, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Ehh, I guess I could relist it if you feel that strongly about it. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:06, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Removing AFDs from Wikiprojects

Hello. I've noticed a few articles that you have deleted because of an AFD discussion. While I'm not disputing the lack of notability on those articles, is there any reason that they can't just be redirected to another article, rather than completely being removed from Wikipedia? Specifically, the article for Sharkticon could have easily been redirected to another Transformers article, which would have prevented you from having to remove the link from so many other Transformers articles. It just seems to me that for navigational purposes, it would have been better to point that link somewhere else, rather than remove it from the project entirely. Fortdj33 (talk) 13:17, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, deletion doesn't preclude redirection, so you're free to do that now if you wish. I tend to close Afds rather conservatively, so I usually won't redirect if most of the !voters voice support for deletion. There weren't that many participants in this discussion, though, so I grant that it wasn't completely clear what to do. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:56, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I understand, but what's the point in creating a redirect now, if the link would have to be re-added to all the articles that would use that link? I know that this was probably better suited for the AfD discussion, but I don't understand why it was necessary to remove all traces of that link from related articles. Wikiprojects have Redirect-Class for a reason, but deleting the article just removes the redirect from those projects, and lessens the possibility of that material being expanded. Fortdj33 (talk) 16:25, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, the Afd is generally the place for this kind of thing, but anyway: usually when I delete an article I remove backlinks since there isn't any use to having a redlink to a deleted article. In some cases when I redirect I leave the backlinks in. I'm not sure that those links were doing very much good in this case though, since the redirect still doesn't lead to much discussion of the topic. If you feel strongly about it, you can revert my link removals in this case. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:30, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, it's nothing personal against you. I personally don't have any problem creating redirects and adding redirect-class to the talk pages, but I don't know that it's worth it to undo all the work that you did just for a redirect. As a member of {{WikiProject Transformers}}, I know that other members would prefer to at least leave a redirect as part of the project for deleted articles. Unfortunately, there is not enough activity on that project for those editors to participate in the AfD discussions...Thanks again for the clarification though! Fortdj33 (talk) 16:52, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Cheetah hunt

You deleted my article on cheetah hunt.But why?

I didn't delete your article, I just reverted one edit. I think the tone you used here wasn't fit for an encyclopedia. We try to avoid addressing the reader as "you" and telling the user what a "great way to start your day" is not neutral. See WP:NPOV for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:56, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Request to have a look at Ready Flower wiki page

Hi, hope you are good. Considering your comments on Ready Flowers page, the page has been redone with an effort to quote secondary references. Altough some IPs keep reverting the page, i would request you to have a look on the changes by CaliforniaSun2013 and myself. Your unbiased opinion on the peer review has led us to believe that you are the best guide for us on this edit. Thanks alot. Ready_Flowers--ThinkDone (talk) 14:58, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

The important thing to do is to discuss the proposed changes on the article's talk page instead of continuing to revert. See WP:BRD for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:01, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Note that Chaklalajob/ThinkDone's edits have been based on a gross misrepresentation of a source - I have raised this on the article talk page and made it clear that if this occurs again, I shall ask that Chaklalajob/ThinkDone be blocked from editing. Given the clearly promotional tone of the edits, I suggest that Chaklalajob/ThinkDone familiarises him/herself with WP:COI policy. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:15, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, well, they won't be able to revert for a few days at least. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Is it OK?

Hello Sir ... ref. Shekhar Gurera, do you feel that User:Gurera/Shekhar Gurera page is OK for submission? regards --Gurera (talk) 15:48, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

It looks ok, I suggest you apply for undeletion at WP:DRV now, telling them about the draft you've created. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:55, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

• a) Write the biography in prose (not list) b) don't use Hindi or other Wikipedias as reference, c) The Times of India is very helpful. Mark Arsten, I think their this ToI ref is an excellent one. Is not it? Add at least one-two more refs like that. No problem if its in Hindi. If you do not have online copy, you can refer offline too (a scanned copy of such papers might be helpful, don't upload in Wikipedia), d) I am not sure, how you own copyright of those images. 4) don't put references in a box. That's all for now. --Tito☸Dutta 17:05, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

• Yes, very good advice that would probably help lead to success at DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:09, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sir ... thanks a lot for your collective advice ... a) biography is in prose, only Awards and Honors are in lists due to the reason of maximum info in less text b) Hindi wp link already removed c) as like TOI there r more such references with some details Sunday Mail (Hindi), The Hindu-New Delhi, The Statesman, Kolkata d) putting references in a box was just to make them compact; that also been removed! ... Now kindly after having a fresh look at the page, can you please advise if i should Submit the page! (link in the top tag of the page) or WP:DRV If DRV, then can i please get brief technical help how to submit it? Regards --Gurera (talk) 04:53, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

• a) actually the article is mainly a list at this moment. See other similar article for help: Category:Indian cartoonists. b) Hindi Wiki —ok c) why did not you provide these links at the AFD? Those are superb. d) no, we don't put references in boxes. +++ e) it depends on you whether you want to DRV (DRV means "deletion review", a place where you can request to undelete your first article), or submit it at AFC/rewrite it. --Tito☸Dutta 08:35, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

• And how do you own copyright of those cartoon images? Are you Shekhar Gurera ? --Tito☸Dutta

ok sir, done ... a) now Awards and Honors is in prose form, c) what is AFD? these links from the prints are already there as S.No: 15, 16 & 17 in References e) as long as DRV is concerned v wont like to undelete the first article coz that might had some mistakes with less contents, v'll like to focus to replace this final edited with a lot efforts to fine tune it with maximum contents at d same name (got deleted, due to some carelessness editing, may b due to d unawareness of DOs & DONTs) but now v don't want to take risk of any wrong decision :D .. better if u please advise us the appropriate way of submission out of these two ways under d name Shekhar Gurera only
No, v r close associates to Mr Gurera, one of us is his younger son, the main photo clicked by him, he himself provided the necessary information to rectify the old one and now even a set of some clippings of his work, and v designed the collage from it for WP. regards --Gurera (talk) 15:23, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

• a) Remove all tripod links, b) remove all small date formatting, c) I have added few tags, fix those, d) this is the "Article for deletion (AFD)" Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shekhar Gurera --Tito☸Dutta

• I think I'll just outright restore it when you guys are done working on it, since the Afd rationale is not valid anymore. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:26, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

ok .. v'll do as per the need .. i hv some doubts due to a big confusion, if u can also go thru it, and help us

• 1) as u refered Indian cartoonists for the format ... most of the pages r incomplete but at R K Laxman the Awards, Bibliography & Multi-media are already in points n dates form 2) as like TOI u also likes these references with more details Sunday Mail (Hindi), The Hindu-New Delhi, The Statesman, Kolkata which were at S.No: 15, 16 & 17 in References ... but on the other moment these all have been deleted from the page
• ok Mark sir ... v r doing our best n will get back with u soon :)Gurera (talk) 22:05, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

• Laxman article has lots of prose content. And it is nice to see you have an article in that category to argue that writing in list is acceptable. You have not fixed the issues mentioned in my last post. In addition, send image permission to commons:Com:OTRS. I do not know what you mean by "Sunday Times" etc references were deleted. Those look fine. --Tito☸Dutta 02:59, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Morning sir .. tkx! in any case, it also depend upon person to person that how much mentionable matter they have for prose or for lists. To fix the issues from the last post v need little more time. .. abt. commons:Com:OTRS excuse me, v r not exactly aware from the technicalities, was there any needful pending from ourside? .. Yeah, those references were actually attached / related to the one last section Comments with 4 points, which was been deleted / omitted this time, v r not aware what necessary needful v need to do for them. ragds Gurera (talk) 05:30, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

• Hello Mark sir, i think, with our best efforts, after fixed all the issues, the job has been completed from our side, you can proceed as per your convinence. Regds Gurera (talk) 15:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)
  • It still has few more issues. You were suggested to remove "all" tripod references. I am assuming good faith, but, please send permission to OTRS team as soon as possible, else those images may be deleted. Please remove all Hindi scripts from the article too. Do not use unnecessary bold formatting in the article. The article is in much better condition now. --Tito☸Dutta 15:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

oh sir .. no need to put 'but' after 'good faith' it was just a matter of slip from mind .. in fact, after posting my last message, it immediately striked me in mind abt d tripod links ... they hav already been removed within a few minutes .. hindi text / bold formatting has also been removed ... direct email permissions-commons@wikimedia.org for OTRS permission has also been sent for all the 4 images for this page ... now what else u feel pending?? regds Gurera (talk) 18:46, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, it's back at Shekhar Gurera now. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:00, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

• I have made some formatting changes. You may try WP:DYK Tito☸Dutta 19:01, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

thanks a lot Mark Arsten sir for your concern & efforts for reactivating d page ... also thanks to Titodutta sir for the same help editorially n technically ... regards ... good night!!! Gurera (talk) 19:20, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:43, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Pierre Fabre

Hi Mark, I had finally gotten the previous editors to delete this misleading information, and, unfortunately, it is here again. There is already a page for the Pierre Fabre of pharmaceutical company note. This page was created as a link from the "LONE SIGNAL" page. I am president of Lone Signal. My name is Pierre Fabre. As I had to explain to the last person who made this same edit, I don't believe the aim of Wikipedia is to spread misinformation; but people are going to get the wrong impression that this, unfortunately deceased, Pierre Fabre is the person who founded Lone Signal. That is not the case. Please let me know how I can be of help. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.46.94 (talk) 16:44, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, could you explain more clearly what you would like me to do here? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:54, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see I reverted your edit here. We try to keep each article focused on one person. If you think the other Pierre is notable, you can create an article on him and add a WP:HATNOTE to the other. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:58, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

AfD Close

Mark, you can probably just go ahead and close Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/University of Michigan Men's Glee Club. There were only two delete !votes, and I changed mine after the article was significantly expanded. There's now a clear consensus for keep. I'd consider NACing it myself, were I not involved. Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 12:39, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, I'll take a look at it next time I get to the Afd queue. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:25, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello Mark, i am done editing and adding citations

To recap, you have kindly opened User:0811gv/Gilflo‎ for my to edit since it was deleted due to not having any citations. I have added the citations/references needed. I hope this will allow the article to be revived now that it can be verifiable. Thank you again sincerely for your help in this matter and please let me know if there is anything else needed. 0811gv (talk) 17:59, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm still not sure that there is enough coverage of him to demonstrate his notability, but you are free to appeal the deletion to WP:DRV if you think there is. Make sure to mention your draft there. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:12, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

a Lot of his stuff is tv related which the "rules and guidelines" are Strict on what can and cant be used, when IMDB is usually the only thing that is used to track these kind of things for people. He was nominated for a grammy, as far as work he has done, I gave direct links to that, I don't understand what else is so needed. Wikipedia isn't even a reliable source to use whilst in school, but yet wiki is extremely strict on what can be used for validity. It doesn't make sense. There are many things that I left out on things he is doing and has done, but there is no direct links that can verify it as per the internet, magazine. 0811gv (talk) 21:14, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Ok, well, if you used all the good sources you could find, you might as well go for WP:DRV. There may just not be enough sources though. BTW, you could ask for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Musicians, as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:20, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

can it stay in the state (the purgatory domain) that it is in right now for a bit more? He is about to close a deal with Hasbro Inc. which he is doing a campaign for the twister game/product. Once this closes, it will be another huge source to add to the site, plus I will keep gathering more. Please let me know if this can be done. 0811gv (talk) 21:52, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah sure, take all the time you need. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:47, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

https://www.facebook.com/jqharrison?fref=ts — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.3.188.236 (talk) 02:52, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Protection of Template:States with limited recognition

Looks like you accidentally move protected this page rather than edit protected it. Could you fix this? Thanks! TDL (talk) 23:11, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Good catch, my bad. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:16, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

In Reply to Logan Bartholomew concern

Hello, Mark. If I removed anything, I am not conscious of it. This is what I added, "In 2013, he took over the role of Jason Stevens from Drew Fuller, in the prequel/sequel to 2007's The Ultimate Gift, The Ultimate Life." How do you think I removed anything, and what did I remove? Thanks. Wesbrooks (talk) 02:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Replied on your talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:45, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

It was indeed, a mistake. I thought I was deleting blank space, as it appeared on Beta Edit. What specifically needs to be restored? I don't recall what was there to begin with. Sorry for the trouble. Wes Brooks 02:49, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I re-added the information you had put in, so it's in there now. The beta editing interface causes that problem a lot, don't worry. Do you have a source to back up the information you wanted added? You should add that to the article now if you would. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:57, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

In regards to: [4]

Hi Mark, I understand but the word "emigrated" is linked to [5] maybe it should be linked to this [6] Shellyperlman (talk) 04:02, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I think the latter would be a better link. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:05, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

In Regards to [7]

Hi Mark, My name is Sunil and I see that you deleted my name as a famous Wagle. I would like to ask you why did that. My company Greenculture was the first green e-commerce retailer. We were regularly featured in magazines, and newspapers and did lots of business in the United States and overseas. Here are some online stories of me and the company: http://www.internetretailer.com/mobile/2007/04/19/riverwired-com-launches-as-green-web-portal-for-the-eco-co. Also, see here: http://legacy.utsandiego.com/news/uniontrib/mon/business/news_lz1b1ads.html. Also, see here: http://www.sanantonio.gov/clerk/ethics/HB914CIS/200809/SunilWagleGreenCulture.pdf. Also, see here: http://voices.yahoo.com/top-five-eco-friendly-online-furniture-retailers-839073.html?cat=30. Also, see here:http://www.gaithersburgmd.gov/Documents/environment/rainbarrel_handouts.pdf. If you look here we are listed here: http://www.co.ocean.nj.us/solidwaste/.%5C%5CPDFs%5CBackyardCompostingDemoSite.pdf. Anyway, I feel there is a legitimate reason for me to be listed here and ask that you reinclude my name in the list of wagles. As you can see above, we were in the Internet Retailer top 500 for many years. This company did over $50 million in revenue which seems notable. I think I may not be posting this in the correct area so I apologize in advance if I am posting this in the wrong location. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.65.63 (talk) 20:37, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I don't believe I've ever deleted your name from that article. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:44, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

--Hi Mark, can you please help me and find out who did make this change and deletion. The other admin who could help me just retired and I am still new and do not know how to find out. Thanks so much. Sunil — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swagle (talk • contribs) 23:55, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand. Someone deleted an article you want restored? What was the name of the article? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:25, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

--HI Mark. The article is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagle. I was listed as a Notable person on this page. It said. Sunil Wagle, Founder of GREENCulture. This was removed by someone and I thought that person was you. I don't really know who the person is who deleted that but I feel it should be restored. Can you please help me with how this can happen? Thanks.

Fortress Brookvale

Hi Mark, Just letting you that the change made on Brookvale Oval's Wiki page, regarding 'Fortess Brookvale' is accurate and true. If you could update the page as I did so, it would be very much appreciated. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.59.227.245 (talk) 02:04, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

So it's this edit we're talking about? My apologies if you weren't vandalizing. It looked to me like you were saying that the stadium's nickname has been "Wallace" since 2005, which seemed like a joke to me. You are free to re-add your change. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:07, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Have you seen this movie?!

Hi Mark,

The last thing I want is for Wikipedia to contain inaccurate or misleading information. That being said, have you seen "Never Say Never Again"? Because if you have, you'd understand why I made the changes I did to the plot summary. From the breathtaking opening scenes miles above the Earth's surface, to the dynamite climax deep in the heart of a desert oasis, Never Say Never Again keeps the audience on the edge of their seats. This film is a classic hallmark of action cinema, and after reading this script it's easy to see why Sean Connery "never said never again" to playing his most famous role. Kim Bassinger is simply stunning in her role as Domino and has gone down in history as one of the most famous Bond Girls of all time. Especially after comparing this treat to the "official" EON-sanctioned Bond film released that year, the disastrous Octopussy, Never Say Never Again is an enduring testament to sticking to the basics and returning to what made James Bond such a timeless character to begin with. With such a dynamite cast, breakneck pacing, and pitch-perfect direction by Irvin Kershner, I have no choice but to replace all those periods with exclamation marks. The world doesn't deserve anything different. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.226.122.44 (talk) 02:31, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Very funny :) Mark Arsten (talk) 02:53, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Who do contributors escalate to beyond administrators?

Who do I escalate my issues with the disrupted behavior of Esoglou to now that you have closed my admin noticeboard posting on Esoglou? If it belongs to a different board I request your assistance on where and how to post. LoveMonkey 22:37, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Click here and explain your concerns and then some uninvolved admins will take a look at it and weigh in. I closed the previous report since that board is just for edit, and a report about violating editing restrictions is better handled elsewhere. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:42, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I have created a notice. Please review it if you have time to confirm if the notice is appropriate. LoveMonkey 00:10, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

It's Ok, but you have to notify User:Esoglou that you're talking about him. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:25, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you I appreciate the help. LoveMonkey 01:09, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Vandal hitting Emma Pillsbury's been at it for days

Mark, thanks for protecting Emma Pillsbury. It's the latest article to be attacked by a vandal who's been using a string of IP proxies to go after articles, including several Glee-related ones (so far, Glee (TV series), Kurt Hummel, and Chris Colfer have had to be protected, and now Emma).

I've been reporting these incursions to Material scientist at User talk:Materialscientist#IP blocked four hours ago already back?; the latest two, which were used in the vandalism on Emma Pillsbury and should doubtless be blocked are 118.85.208.222 and 118.195.65.250—the former just left a post on my talk page (the second by the vandal) that I'd appreciate being hidden as well. Can you block them, or should I ask someone else? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:00, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, I think I've seen this guy before. Ok, I think I've blocked and revdeleted them, let me know if you need anything else. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:10, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks. Will do. I rather suspect there will be many more proxy IPs to go; I hope they find a way to close the door on his edits. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:14, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Mark, looks like the same person at 182.50.66.67, which you've already given a couple of warnings to, though in some cases just annoying vandalism rather than ugly. I just reverted on Skyfall, which was trending toward the ugly. Time to bring down the hammer? BlueMoonset (talk) 02:25, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

 Done Mark Arsten (talk) 02:26, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. There was this very odd series of edits to Jane Lynch earlier today—one of the articles that has been hit before by blocked IPs (and was hit by the one just blocked) by 190.79.134.118; it was the similarity in edit summary wording that caught my eye. Is there a way of checking this for being a proxy, or is the point to not do anything until a line has clearly been crossed? BlueMoonset (talk) 02:32, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

There probably is a way to check if it's a proxy, but I haven't done anything like that before. User:Materialscientist would probably be a better person to ask about that. Also, Are there any pages that our friend has been hitting that are still unprotected? I think liberal use of semi-protection might be our best bet at this point. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:34, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

One of the ones first hit was Glee (TV series), using three separate IP addresses over five hours. Kudpung protected it for three days, but that protection expires in about two and a half hours; I expect this one to be vandalized if protection isn't extended, and it's probably the most frequently viewed article of all these. The only two non-Glee-related ones I can think of from early in the vandal's career were both hit in the past few hours: 90210 (TV series) was protected for three days by Discospinster, and you protected GLAAD. I think for any others, it'll be on a "what's hit" basis, and I'll let you know if I notice anything untoward. I'll drop a note to Materialscientist on that one IP that might be a proxy. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:22, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

RevDelete

Thanks for it on my tp! Dan653 (talk) 03:11, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

No prob, let me know if you need anything else revdelted/semi-protected/blocked etc. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:13, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Will do, it's been an interesting night, vandal info templates been pretty low, but there's been plenty of vandalism. Dan653 (talk) 03:16, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

IM SORRY

it was an accident I did not mean to spell bane It was supposed to be banned 72.238.148.204 (talk) 03:31, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

inspiring a sense of mystery in kids

Hello again, Mark! It was extremely pleasant to hear from you on one of my last additions! Thank you, and I do mean that sincerely. You are far more wise than I am at this time, and I do trust your foresight. I am done editing wikipedia for a while, but I do hope that by my additions I could inspire hope and mystery in at least one person on this earth. I cannot stress enough how much I do appreciate your tireless work to keep the world safe, while promoting virtually-free knowledge. When I do make it, financially, you can be CERTAIN that this encyclopedia will be supported. "It takes a village to raise a child"--one great old manager of mine And yes, in my free time I do read the encyclopaedia wikipedia. Thank you and thank you, because one thing I've learned, is that one can never say "thank you" too much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.94.92.181 (talk) 03:37, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, what you wrote was very nice. But unfortunately, it was a bit too speculative for inclusion in Wikipedia. Sorry! Mark Arsten (talk) 03:40, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Dixie Carter (wrestling) Edit about a heel turn

I've been watching wrestling since I was a baby. I've been backstage quite a few times, and got a feel for how the booking works. I added the section about her heel turn based on the YouTube video Impact Wrestling released just a few minutes ago. She made a promo disparaging A.J. Styles, a face character (hero), which turned her into a villain (Heel) due to her being booed heavily by the fans. You may watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQYOLXnbeFM&list=PLcovtt7Bdo9MJhjl3d9xNJ7u095SpiXTS to see what I am talking about, but I have never, and will never vandalize an article or add things that are either a)not in sync with current events, b)not true, or c) have been instructed on the edit page not to do so. Thank you and good night. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.33.17.30 (talk) 03:48, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, it's fine to make that addition to the article if you have a reliable source to back up your claim. Just make sure to cite the source in the article with your addition. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:50, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Replaced deleted photo

As you suggested previously, I replaced the verboten image on the cold fusion talk page with a link (but I forgot to sign it so will go back and fix that). --Brian Josephson (talk) 08:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, non-free images can't be used on talk pages at all. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

File:Yevadu Cd Cover.jpg

Thank you for taking the right Decision sir :) Regards, Raghusri (talk) 13:02, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:41, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carol Paul (2nd nomination)

Hi - is there any way I can userfy that article. I put some work into it finding sources and might consider redoing it as a book article. I can find the sources again but it would be convenient to have the text. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Well, the history is intact, will that work? Or do you need it in your userspace? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:11, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Oh sorry got it, thanks! -- Green Cardamom (talk) 17:11, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Aam Aadmi Party debate

Can you please go through the talk page of this article & comment your opinion on 'battery operated ricksha driver protest'

Summary of it is as below.

Topic- Which of the two versions be preferred to go into the protest section of 'Article'

Option A -

ADD - The AAP has supported various regulatory complaints raised by rickshaw operators in Delhi.

KEEP - the rest of the 'protest' section as it is.

Option B -

ADD - On 16 September 2013, Aam Aadmi Party supported e-rickshaw driver's demand in Delhi that there should be a policy on battery operated rickshaws in the capital city to stop their exploitation by Delhi Transport Department. Party also said that a subsidy should be given to manual rickshaw drivers who want to purchase e-rickshaws. Earlier in June 2013, the party had supported agitations of rickshaw drivers against ban on advertisements on auto rickshaws alleging that the ban is imposed because most rickshaw drivers supported Aam Aadmi party & carried their banners.

remove - On 10 June 2013, Kejriwal supported the agitation of Delhi auto rickshaw drivers, who were protesting the Delhi government's ban on advertisements on auto rickshaws. Kejriwal claimed that, auto rickshaw drivers supported his party and they carried AAP's advertisements on their auto rickshaws and this is the reason for Delhi Government's ban and he challenged that volunteers of AAP will put 10,000 advertisements on auto rickshaws as a protest.

There is no conflict over the validity of citations.--ratastro (talk) 05:37, 21 September 2013 (UTC)