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A thankless task?

I have been working on a number of pages involving Greek railways (updating, expanding and creating). I do this because it needs to be done and it takes my mind off other issues (not for any personal glory as such). However, a little feedback on how I am doing would not go amiss... Thank You  The Emperor of Byzantium  (talk)

Hi The Emperor of Byzantium, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thankyou for your contributions. Please see Dash#En dash for the correct way to refer to the line from A to B. (Lots of editors get this wrong.) Dbfirs 20:52, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Dbfirs thank you for your feedback, that helps... silly little mistake maybe, but it courses all sorts of issues and knock-on effects. I'm Dyslexic so it's that much harder but coding is something I enjoy and any feedback (as long as its constructive) is welcomed Thank You  The Emperor of Byzantium  (talk) 12:55, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

How to put the translation of the title if the subject is a foreign thing?

So I've seen something like: StuffInOtherLang (lit. EnglishTranslationOfTheThing). What template you use for that? And the pronounciation thing that displays pronounciation in IPA. What template should be used when dealing with foreign language things? TryKid (talk) 21:55, 15 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, TryKid. That depends on the language, but the following line usually does the trick {{lang-fr|Quelque chose en Francais ici|lit=Something in French here}}. Use the appropriate language code, found here. I'm not that familiar with IPA but the instructions are here: {{IPA}}. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:06, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Why Raj Era Sources are not Accepted

Hello i have a problem regarding an article and all my edits are reverted as those Sources are belonged to British Raj Era of india. So, here my doubt is Why Raj Era Sources are not Accepted and what was the reason behind it Sathishkagitha (talk) 03:42, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello Sathishkagitha, and welcome to the Teahouse. As I understand it, in short, these sources are generally not seen as WP:RELIABLE, being to a great extent to old and wrong. When it comes to sources as old as this, they should in general not be used directly, but through the works of respected more contemporary scholars. You can find links to several WP-discussions about such sources at User:Sitush/CasteSources. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:08, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

The sources Sathishkagitha has been trying to use are scholarly works, published in 1896 and in 1909. I doubt that reliability is in fact the issue. Maproom (talk) 07:58, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Maproom, the British Raj didn't end until 1947, so 1909 sources still are definitely "Raj era". @Sathishkagitha: the reason for mistrusting Raj-era sources is that they are interwoven with British political priorities (not to mention scientific racism) in India which is seen as contaminating their truthfulness and objectivity. So there is a strong preference for using post-Raj sources by recognized academics. MatthewVanitas (talk) 08:23, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

You may be right, but WP:AGE MATTERS. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:25, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Templates in userspace?

Hello everyone. I would like to create a template or two for my own personal use, and I would like to have a place where to put my "unfinished" templates, so that I can work on them in chunks. Is there a way to create templates in the userspace, so that they stay "personal"? Thank you very much for reading my question. ---roroke (talk) 03:53, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi roroke. You can transclude userspace pages like templates by giving the full page name, e.g. {{User:Roroke/sandbox}}. Parameters and template code work the same way as in the template namespace. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:13, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the tip Hunter, I'll do just that. ---roroke (talk) 04:17, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Roroke, I frequently use userspace pages when i am developing and testing a new or revised template. However, you should be aware that pages in your userspace can be seen by anyone who chooses to look, and content in userspace pages is available for reuse by others on the same terms as all Wikipedia content. Most Wikipedia editors do not look at the userspace of other users, but some do. One can get a list of any user's userspace pages. For example here is a list of pages in my userspace. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:22, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Des thank you for the info, I will keep it in mind. ---roroke (talk) 15:39, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

New here, please help

Hello, I have posted a new biograhical article presently in draft form. The initial posting was very brief, Curb Safe Charmer(talk) was nice about it he suggested a visit to this Teahouse and suggested I add more details and references. I have done it since and submitted again for a review. Not sure if the references are properly formatted. Find it quite daunting. If anyone can help it will be appreciated. The article is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Prem_Nath_Sahni Have not figured out how to enter talk properly yet and what tilde means and what is their application. But guess without trying one will never learn. Regards to any who read this and apologize for any errors.

shyamu111(talk)--Shyamu111 (talk) 09:34, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

@Shyamu111: I have left you some comments at the top of your draft. MatthewVanitas (talk) 08:09, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

shyamu111 if you are using a keyboard which does not easily have a way to type "~" four times, please note instead above your editing window there is a line of symbols that has a B then an I and then a tiny image of a pen signing a name. You can simply click that little signing-pen and it will sign and date your posts on Talk pages, without the need to type tildes. MatthewVanitas (talk) 08:54, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello thanks MatthewVanitas (talk) 08:54, 16 March 2018 (UTC) --Shyamu111 (talk) 09:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

MatthewVanitas (talk)Followed up on your comments. There was one reference that was a general one on Haryana that I have removed. All others have information on the person with name including the government documents because he was part of the government. Would love to post more info from newspapers of the time if I can find it. From my understanding he did appear in the newspapers then from time to time in news related to sports or governments of Punjab and Haryana, but so far discovered the leading newspapers of his time are not keeping archives i.e before 1999. Thanks again for your suggestions. Shyamu111 (talk--Shyamu111 (talk) 09:51, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi need help for my draft

Hi,

I am a little concerned for my draft : as it has a tagline for speedy deletion i have provided necessary changes. Kindly let me know hoe can i improve my draft for getting it approved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Optrajennifer (talk • contribs) 07:26, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Optrajennifer and welcome to the Teahouse. You created Abhijeet Gholap in article space. It would probably have been better if you had created a draft in WP:Draft space where you would have been allowed time to get your draft into shape and make improvements before moving it to live space. I'd recommend draft space for starting any future articles, then you do not risk speedy deletion. There is lots of advice, and a question that you need to answer, on your talk page. Dbfirs 08:02, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello Optrajennifer, I assumed from your post that you meant the article to be a draft, so I moved it to draftspace for you and left you a message. That said, it had been through AFC before and I'm not clear how it got approved.

But the larger issue is that currently you are accused of failing to state your Conflict of Interest as a presumed paid editor, and if you don't respond to those allegations, your account may be blocked, and it would not be unlikely that the Admin would "salt" the page so that it could never be re-created without Admin involvement (to make sure someone does not come back by a different name and try to create the article). So please do the needful, check your Talk page and respond to the concerns that you are simply here to promote a business. MatthewVanitas (talk) 08:17, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for explaining this to me now i understand the meaning of Paid article i did answer the question on the talk page. Please guide me again for getting the article published.Optrajennifer (talk

Have my contributions helped?

Hello. I'm unsure if I have made a little more work for contributors on some pages/articles I have contributed to. Thanks 🖍S 09:46, 16 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrayonS (talk • contribs)

• Hello, CrayonS. From a quick look at your contributions in articles, in particular Sándor Pósta, they are overwhelmingly positive, so be sure we (as a community) appreciate them even if you get no feedback for it. Was there something in particular that you wanted more eyes on?

Also, just a note that this (and the following on that IP talk page) were not a high point of your Wikipedian career. It is certainly not a big deal but you are supposed to remain "civil" (=polite, essentially) even in front of reckless vandals, see also WP:DNFT. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:57, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello. Thank you. I actually get these pages from the random link. <3 just made a contribution to the Spotify article. I agree I should've not said anything about the vandal. At least I didn't WP:DNB and went with Hanlon's Razor. Thanks 🖍S 17:53, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Keep up the great work, CrayonS! That is what I remember from years back when I started too: as a new user it's difficult to know if my contributions were improvements, as not every edit I made received feedback. But rest assured, be bold in making edits and, if necessary, engage in constructive discussion to reach agreement with other editors. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:23, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

writing submissions

thank you for your responses. i will be able to review the suggestions prior to siting an submission in a manner you find acceptable. again thank you for your suggestions,assistance, and time assistance. i look forward to a long an long relationship . sincerely, kstarr marlo,ceo,phd marlowecharities,celestialproductions,krazy4musik,krazy4politiks and other companies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kbmnj (talk • contribs) 10:17, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Further to the previous conversation, I'm still puzzled about your reasons for refusing to write in standard English. I'm also concerned about possible conflicts of interest if you create articles about your companies, but perhaps that is not your intention. Dbfirs 10:38, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Sand box review.

Hi, and yes its good to talk especially regarding procedures. I am working in my Wikipedia Sandbox. as I would like to send the edits and text for review by Wikipedia volunteers. The bar at the top of the page enquiring if I want to send the text for review is no longer visible. Question for you, how do I send the text for review, or has this changed, and we can no longer send text information for review via the sandbox?

Best regards Mike ( new to Wikipedia) MikeWilkins (talk) 12:11, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

You accidentally removed the "User sandbox" template in one of your edits. I have re-added it to your sandbox. Keep your edits below the line that says "EDIT BELOW THIS LINE" so you don't accidentally remove it again. Iffy★Chat -- 12:24, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

My Article - Dr. Devasia Kurian is deleted

I have written an article Dr. Devasia Kurian on his biography but it has been deleted with a reason of advertising but the article does not have any promotion or advertising content then why it has been deleted?. How can I retrieve the page and re-edit to approve the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by F.alam (talk • contribs) 12:30, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, F.alam, and Welcome to the Teahouse}}. Please understand that on Wikipedia, "promotion" includes not merely commercial advertising, but any content intended to promote or favor a subject. In the article Dr. Devasia Kurian, which you largely wrote, such phrases as A focused, passionate and futurist, His distinctive leadership style has made *astTECS sprint ahead in growth and technology solution metricsis, Dr. Kurian's entrepreneurial acumen were proved, A well-rounded individual, he is known to have a very calm and gentle nature ..., Dr. Devasia Kurian has led the company's brilliant foray..., and revolutionary open source based telephony solutions are all quite promotional in tone. In general Wikipedia articles should be strictly and narrowly factual, with opinions and judgements present only if they are directly attributed to a named and cited source, preferably via a direct quote. Adjectives of quality, such as "distinctive" should usually be avoided.

I also urge that you start any new articles as drafts in WP:DRAFTSPACE where they can be reviewed before all the rules of mainspace apply. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 15:46, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Finished writing a wikipedia page, how do I publish for review?

Hi -- I need help... I finished a wikipedia page about a famous person in Orange County, California, USA. Now, I want to publish for review but when I push the prompt button to "publish for review" a yellow box appears that tells "Press the Publish changes button at the ⇓ bottom ⇓ of the edit box to request a new review. A box explaining details about this submission will appear at the bottom of the page. An automated robot will update the page later and remove the draft article box" -- but there is not a "Publish changes" button at the bottom of the edit box.

Thank you for your help and direction.

Carol Finizza, Wikipedia editor — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8802:4401:6B00:98FA:AE4D:ED88:38F2 (talk) 16:09, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Carol. Welcome to Teahouse. As much as we'd like to help you, we need to have some more information to do so. The post I'm replying to is the only edit that has ever been made from the IP address you're posting from. Did you forget to sign in? If you don't have an account, we'll need a link to the draft you are talking about in order to help. John from Idegon (talk) 16:56, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Help with Location Map being put into my Info Box

Dear teahouse, I am trying to add a Location Map into my Info Box. Could you please help to do this. The page I'm editing is Hutton_Moor_End. The page is about a place in Cumbria, England. The Latitude is- 54.634943 and the Longitude is -2.985794 The Country is England, the shire county is Cumbria and the post code is CA11 0SX. The location's OS grid reference is NY365271. When I try to do it I get close but not close enough and it is not being certified. Thank You. DavidJonesMore (talk) 17:12, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikilink for convenience: Hutton Moor End. John from Idegon (talk) 17:21, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Article deletion "NEO-Americana cooking style"

I recently submitted an article titled Neo_Americana cooking style. This is completely different than New American cooking. The NEO-Americana style is encompassing all the worlds food. The project has been in the process for ten years. New American is just trendy food from the USA, and does not encompass all 192 countries of the world or their food. The use of cooking techniques and ingredients from around the world to create fusion blends of any or all countries is the goal of the NEO-American Style. And the additional projects from this style should be included in Wikipedia.Thomasbadillo95 (talk) 17:56, 16 March 2018 (UTC)Thomasbadillo95

Hello, Thomasbadillo95, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you want the deletion of NEO-Americana cooking style to be reconsidered, contact the deleting admin on their talk page at: User talk:Anthony Appleyard. If you two cannot reach consensus, the next step is to post a message at Wikipedia:Deletion review. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:12, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Help with- Infobox UK place with more than one value for the "coordinates" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used.

Hello, I am trying to insert a Infobox UK place into my Infobox but when I do it this message appears- Warning: Hutton Moor End is calling Template:Infobox UK place with more than one value for the "coordinates" parameter. Only the last value provided will be used. This is what I am putting into my edit source- coordinates = {{coord|54.634|-2.985|display=inline,title}} Could you help me please? The page I'm editing is Hutton_Moor_End Thank You, DavidJonesMore (talk) 18:26, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

The documentation at Template:Infobox_UK_place gives an example of a value you could assign to the coordinates parameter:

  {{coord|41|50|15|N|87|40|55|W}}

Maproom (talk) 19:04, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey DavidJonesMore. I believe I've fixed it although I'm not totally sure what the problem was. GMG^talk 19:03, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, That is really great it looks brilliant, I appreciate it a lot. All I have to do now is put a red circle marker at the place's location. Do you happen to know how to do this also?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidJonesMore (talk • contribs) 19:17, 16 March 2018 (UTC) 

Hi, I can see the red circle at the location now! Thanks a lot for that it's brilliant! DavidJonesMore (talk) 20:07, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Why did my article get deleted?

Hi, I wrote an article about a rare medical condition my brother has, but it got flagged for speedy deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.220.125 (talk) 18:33, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You are not logged in right now, so we are unable to see what articles you have created. Please tell us either your username or the name of the article so that we can look into it. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:37, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

how do I become an admin

I understand that it seems like Wikipedia is understaffed in the admin section because it took them a month to respond to me to get an account I would like to stress how thankful, lucky and happy I am to be a user. and I would like to help speed up that process I don't want to use it improperly or abuse it I just want to help administrate more great and peaceful editors to Wikipedia or block and disrupt vandalism. so now that I have explained anything I might want to do I would like to ask a few Questions are there any requirements for admin privileges? e.g. seniority of a year and a certain number of edits or articles published or something else. also is restricted admin privileges a thing like for simply banning and stopping accounts that proliferate vandalism? furthermore, I would like to stress my respect for anyone who responds to this and will completely understand whatever is said I am simply curious about this process and hope that I can help administrate help to others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Government Man (talk • contribs) 14:39, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

@Government Man: You can read about it here: WP:ADMIN. You need a lot of experience and support from fellow Wikipedians to successfully become an administrator. Thank you for wanting to help, but concentrate instead on learning and contributing to Wikipedia in other ways and improving articles. RudolfRed (talk) 18:49, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hey Government Man. Account creation is actually separate user right that is available for non-administrators who demonstrate a need for access and an understanding of the relevant policies. The only requirement for becoming an administrator is being able to convince the community that you are a person who will use the advanced permissions responsibly and competently. However, Wikipedia is a big place with a lot of things to learn, and doing this often takes many years.

Requests for accounts are backlogged, and because we are a volunteer run project, many other areas are backlogged as well, most of which do not require special access of any kind to help out with (see the list available at WP:BACKLOG). Helping out in these other areas in a way that demonstrates your responsibility and growing competence is usually how most users come to have advanced permission, including ones below and above administrative access, and so is probably a good place to start. GMG^talk 18:58, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

You first started making edits today, have made only a handful, and majority of those have been reversed by more experienced editors as not contributing to the articles in question. Perhaps put in more time learning how to make constructive edits? David notMD (talk) 21:35, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

ISBN parameters

Hello I am trying to add two new publications to a page and keep getting an error message regarding the ISBN parameters. It's on the Molly Lamb Bobak page. Any tips? Many thanks, Hilary — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hletwin (talk • contribs) 18:40, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hey Hletwin. I believe I've fixed it for you. Looks like you were adding a faulty ISBN. Maybe you made a mistake in copying and pasting? GMG^talk 18:58, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I've corrected one in this edit; ISBNs are 10 digits or 13 digits, not 11. GreenMeansGo has fixed the other, see above. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:01, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Many thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hletwin (talk • contribs) 19:21, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Writing a not-auto biography

Hi, I'm new here altho I have used wikipedia for many years. I signed up to put my own biography up but don't want to break NPOV!

Could I ask someone here to profile me? Lonnie.webb (talk) 19:49, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Lonnie.webb, and welcome to the Teahouse. Read Wikipedia:Notability (people) and tell us which (if any) of the criteria you meet. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:56, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Lonnie.webb If you do as Finnusertop states and truly feel that you merit an article on Wikipedia, you can make a request at Requested Articles, though it may take some time before someone gets around to writing it. 331dot (talk) 20:07, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback,Finnusertop and 331dot! I am not notable, only podcasting and comics. I'll stall until I get noticed!Lonnie.webb (talk) 20:14, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Lonnie.webb since you've learnt how to edit Wikipedia and already know about its rules, we hope you'd stay here and edit other topics. Almost none of us Wikipedians are notable, but all of us love to edit articles about topics we know about. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 20:16, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Oh, for sure,Finnusertop! I just suggested an edit! Thanks for the encouragement.Lonnie.webb (talk) 20:30, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Why did my article disappear?

So,I wrote, or started to write an article. On the article I put that it was under construction and there would be more to come. The title of the article was Dracula Chronicles. It is about nothing that is already on here ( I looked) Because it had Dracula in the title, I was told to add it to on of the many Dracula articles already here. I was also told that there should be a contest button to get the article put back as it was removed within a couple minutes of my publishing it. This button was never there and then I couldn't find any help to explain my situation and get it fixed. I'm finding this extremely frustrating and I'm wondering if there is some kind of appeal process I can go through to get this fixed. Just because it has Dracula in the title, doesn't mean it's more of the same stuff that's already on here. someone please help me! This is the first article I've tried to publish and it's already giving me grief! Thanks! DraculasAngel — Preceding unsigned comment added by DraculasAngel (talk • contribs) 19:55, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, DraculasAngel, and welcome to the Teahouse! Explain the situation to the admin who deleted the article at User talk:TonyBallioni. If the two of you disagree, you can post a message at Wikipedia:Deletion review to seek others' opinions. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:59, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

DraculasAngel, what you wrote wasn't an article at all. There is no reason to discuss this with anyone. The page was just an advertisement for your group and a teaser of books you want to write about. There is no way the page will be restored. ~ GB fan 20:03, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

DraculasAngel It is likely that the "Contest this deletion" button was present on the page you created, but it was deleted before you could contest it. As it was tagged for speedy deletion, as long as an administrator feels that the speedy deletion criteria given is valid, the page can be deleted without delay or discussion. It is correct that in theory you could appeal to Deletion Review, but what GB fan states is also correct in that it would be a waste of time for you to make an appeal if the page was too promotional in nature. Wikipedia is not for promotional purposes like telling the world about your group. Your group needs to have been written about in independent reliable sources that indicate how it is notable per the guidelines listed at WP:ORG. You also have what Wikipedia calls a conflict of interest in writing about your group directly, and you should avoid doing so. 331dot (talk) 20:12, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, DraculasAngel. As an administrator, I can read deleted articles. Here is my honest advice: Do not bother trying to appeal this deletion, since the deletion was entirely justified and the chance of it being restored is essentially zero. Your article was nothing more than an unreferenced attempt to promote your non-notable work in progress. Instead, read and study Your first article. Please do not submit anything other than completed, well referenced encyclopedia articles about notable topics to the main space of Wikipedia. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:13, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I think you should userfy DraculasAngel's article, like it says here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Please_do_not_bite_the_newcomers "One common error among newcomers is to create an article in mainspace about themselves, their garage band, or about their original theories on a certain topic. One way to deal gently with this is to userfy the article, and leave a note saying why. {{nn-userfy}} is designed for userfying autobiographical articles." Ashy Waves (talk) 13:40, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

• I couldn’t really make heads or tails of what that page was, but I deleted under A10 because it said the page existed to inform people about Vlad the Impailer (I think they called him Vlad III). Looking back, I should have changed the target to that instead of the book, but we don’t need a 2nd page that is a Dracula fan page. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:21, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Questions about new article: Richard G. Gersch

Hello, Wiki Editors,

My father was an industrial and graphic designer in the 1950s and 60s whose work had some significance in several Wiki subcategories. As his son (and a graphic designer myself), I’d like to ask for your guidance on the issue of notability and conflict of interest before trying to publish an entry for him in Wikipedia.

A little background: My father had ALS and died in 1985. I was his caregiver during my teenage years, after which all his career-related artifacts went into storage. I was too young then to appreciate his work.

Last summer, while cleaning out my mother's attic, I found several of his portfolios which contained original sketches, presentation art, mechanicals, photos, blueprints, letters, etc. It turned out to be a treasure trove for certain communities of designers and collectors, from luxury wristwatches to early computer cabinets.

I contacted Gruen Watch historian Mike Barnett, author of "Gruen Watch Model Identification Guide,” Vol. 1 (2010) and Vol. 2 (2017), who was thrilled by what I showed him and posted it on the collectors website:

"RARE treat! The family of Gruen designer Richard G. Gersch has been SO amazingly generous in their submission of photographs and materials saved by Richard after he left Gruen in 1954. The new home page graphics come from these materials. Watch for more!” http://www.gruenwristwatches.com/

Gruen was my dad’s first employer. Later he worked with Virgil Exner at Chrysler and Sam Irwin at Sycor, maker of early computer systems.

This prompted me to create an illustrated bio for Wikipedia, which I thought would be of interest to others in the field:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:100.36.248.251/sandbox

Here are my questions:

(1) As a family member, I immediately set off the COI alarm. But I’m also in the best position to write about him. I did my best to be neutral and objective. How much of a strike against him is this?

(2) Notability is a relative concept, of course. My dad’s work would be of interest only to a limited community. Judging from the response I’ve received, however, he’s considered something of a star. Is this enough to earn him a page in Wikipedia? If I erred on the side of too much content, I'll gladly pare it down.

(3) Finally, because there wasn't much written about him, most of my source material is primary (including a U.S. patent). But I have documentation for every statement in his bio. How does this affect verifiability and references?

Many thanks in advance for whatever advice you can offer.

Greg [gggersch] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gggersch (talk • contribs) 20:08, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

I would suggest the Draft article be moved from the sandbox of an IP address to the draft namespace such as Draft:Richard Glenn Gersch. Next every image you have on the article needs to fixed. Every image description says it is your work. None of them are your work. You might now own the copyright of some of them and others you probably don't. You say that notability is a relative concept, you are right. On Wikipedia notability is relative to the amount of coverage in independent reliable sources. The coverage that you say is available is not adequate to meet our notability standard. ~ GB fan 20:31, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Gggersch I'm afraid I'm also not convinced of your father's notability (in Wikipedia terms – which in no way equates to significance). I couldn't find any published sources on him.

An immediate problem with the draft is the small number of references (only two of which are actually acceptable references) compared to the length of the text. I assume this is because you have drawn from your own recollections and the original documents available to you; unfortunately this is a problem, because Wikipedia does not allow original research. I suspect that, whilst you may be the best person to write about your father, Wikipedia is not the best place to publish his biography at this time.

You might have more success taking the research you have done and trying to publish a short article in a design history journal – you mentioned an historian was interested? That would then serve as a fine basis for a Wikipedia article. – Joe (talk) 21:36, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Where/How to appropriately workshop revisions/expansions to a section of an existing article?

Greetings. Long time reader, only recent editor.

Up to this point my edits have been limited to adding references and updating information on lists. However, I've noticed an insufficiently-thorough aspect of an level-4 vital article, which I would like to expand with new information. I want to make sure that I go about the process correctly rather than just kicking in the door. I know I need to use a formal, neutral writing style, support the information with verifiable references, and check everything twice before I submit it. I'm still working my way through the style guide, and won't begin the process until I feel comfortable that I am in adherence.

My question is really about how to workshop the material before making the edits. There's an intimidating amount of complexity to the Wikipedia system of checks and balances. My instinct is that I should submit the drafted revisions on the Talk page first, but that feels deceptively simple. What are the process steps I'm failing to perceive?

Any and all guidance on the topic would be greatly appreciated.

Go knowledge! Ja0n8 (talk) 21:32, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

• @Ja0n8: You should initially draft changes in your sandbox. Once complete, ensure that all material is suitably referenced from reliable sources, as this is always a potential point of contention. If you are satisfied with the edits, you can either be bold and implement your changes wholesale in the article, or post you proposed changes to the talk page for discussion by other editors. Given that this is a level-4 vital article, guaranteeing consensus prior to altering the article is advisable, tedious though it may be, as the alternate may be an edit war. Other than this, best of luck with your edits. Stormy clouds (talk) 22:03, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Disappeared Page

Hello, I'm trying to figure out the simplest way to edit a page that has incorrect information.

Sources: Currently watching the show on the IDGO App, where all seasons and episodes are listed in order.

The page for the TV Show Disappeared on ID, has episodes listed incorrectly, and I don't know how to edit the page to fix it. I tried copying and pasting the info into the correct place, but it didn't work.

For example, season 3 of Disappeared has 13 episodes, not 17, like is listed on the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disappeared_episodes#Season_3_(2011)

The last episode on the IDGO App, is Episode 13: Silent Night.

And then from there, season 4 starts with Episode 1: Running For Her Life, and ends with Episode 14: Innocence Lost

Season 5 starts with Episode 1: The Road Not Taken - Episode 17: Missing By Design

Season 6 starts with Episode 1: Lost in the Dark - Episode 15: At the Crossroads

Season 7 starts with Episode 1: Somebody's Watching - Episode 10: Girl Interrupted

Season 8 starts with Episode 1: American Gothic - Episode 13: The Long Way Home

Season 9 starts with Episode 1: A Date with Danger (Note, this is a brand new season and the only episode that's aired so far.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by JaSamFan2018 (talk • contribs) 23:40, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, JaSamFan2018, and welcome to the Teahouse. I suggest that you post your suggested changes at Talk:List of Disappeared episodes. That is where changes to that list are normally discussed. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 17:38, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

U.S Sience

I was wondering if you can post a source about U.S regions because I have know idea what the Appalachian region is so if you can help me that would be great thanks.THEGREECEPEACE 00:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greecemaniac2005 (talk • contribs)

Have you seen List of regions of the United States, which includes a link to Appalachia? Rojomoke (talk) 00:37, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Upage

User:Pritamseth77148 This is a Promotional Userpage. Should it be deleted? Thegooduser Let's Chat 00:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I've deleted it. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:36, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: Thanks. Thegooduser Let's Chat 00:37, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: User:Emanuel Bonakele I think I found another promotional upage. Thegooduser Let's Chat 01:11, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I've deleted that one as well. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:53, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@Ian.thomson: Sorry to bother you but could you block this (I listed at the end) account and delete the upage if it hasn't already,because it is a promo account it's called User:Bobby Kaku motion movies Thanks! Thegooduser Let's Chat 02:10, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

It's no problem. The delays are only because I wander off to play Doom. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:15, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@Thegooduser: In future, it would probably be better to tag the pages for speedy deletion. Promotional user pages would fall under the U5 and/or WP:G11 criteria. You can do so quickly with a tool called Twinkle, which you don't seem to be aware of (you have never used it before, as far as I can see). Thanks! Darylgolden^(talk) Ping when replying 03:40, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

IP Address Range Blocked for Registration?

In the course of trying to recover my Wikipedia password, I was led to an account creation page . That page states that "Account creation from IP addresses in the range 173.8.0.0/16, which includes your IP address, has been blocked by Berean Hunter . The reason given by Berean Hunter is ": too many sock accounts created rapidly".

It seems to me that blocking a class-B for this was rather arbitrary. The WHOIS database at ARIN clearly shows that the /13 is owned by Comcast Cable - a large ISP - with many smaller parcels such as the /18 I'm in reassigned to direct allocation (173.8.128.0/18). My little static IP block of 5 addresses is in that range. The /16 which was blocked doesn't even have an ARIN entry, and that /16 does not correspond to a single entity or geographic region at all. It seems to me that someone just "saw a bunch of accounts coming in " and blocked the /16 as a matter of hasty convenience.

Sadly, I tripped over that, and I imagine others have as well. How can we get this researched and corrected?

Thanks for any education! — Preceding unsigned comment added by GlenBarney (talk • contribs) 01:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, GlenBarney. I suggest that you ask this question at User talk:Berean Hunter. That editor has many years of experience on this project, and knows what they are doing. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:53, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

References

Editing Help

I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm having trouble adding section so if someone could give me step by step directions on how to do that it would be great. ₦₭ THEGREECEPEACE 02:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greecemaniac2005 (talk • contribs)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Greecemaniac2005. To create a new section using wikicode, you start a line by typing two equal signs, followed by the name of the section, and ending with two equal signs. It looks like this:

==New section name==

For a handy reference sheet that explains the most common wikicoding techniques, please read Help:Cheatsheet. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:39, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

For a rather detailed intro to the topic, you could also see WP:SECTIONS, though just take the instruction in The Wikipedia Adventure step by step and it should become clear. I remember when I did it that some of the pop-up instructions appeared right at the very bottom of some pages, and were easy to overlook. Your best approach to understanding how Wikipedia works is to all of the Missions in order. I see you still have quite a few badges to collect.Nick Moyes (talk) 17:54, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Editing Help

Can someone help me with adding in sections because I'm new to Wikipedia and can't figure out how to do it. Please show step by step or send me a link so I can learn about Wikipedia more. ₦₭ THEGREECEPEACE 02:49, 17 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greecemaniac2005 (talk • contribs)

You can use this. == Section name == 🖍S 09:51, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi there Greecemaniac2005, and welcome to the Teahouse! Help:Section might come in handy . Hope that helps! --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 02:01, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Editing Help

How do I finish mission 7 in the Wikipedia adventure because I don't get things the they tell me to do. so if you can help thank you. ₦₭ THEGREECEPEACE 05:24, 17 March 2018 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Greecemaniac2005 (talk • contribs)

Hello there Greecemaniac2005! What part are your stuck on? --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 03:13, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I have an older account...

I have an older account, but that account is no longer active because I forgot the password. How do I say that the account's no longer active and all messages should go to my new account, which is the account I'm using? Itsquietuptown (Talk • Contributions) 13:31, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

• @Itsquietuptown: - (Do you spend hours in the garden?) - leave the retired template on the user page and talk page of the other account, and leave a note there redirecting to your current user page. Also leave a note somewhere on your current user page disclosing this previous account, to avoid accusations of sockpuppetry. Hope this helps. Stormy clouds (talk) 14:20, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Marina and The Diamonds Discography

The Discography page for Marina and The Diamonds is very outdated and every-time I go to update sales and certifications on her albums and songs some editor called snap snap reverses it, even when I have credible sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:703:100:3730:644C:1AD8:1E16:D271 (talk) 17:47, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello there 2601 and welcome to the Teahouse! Perhaps KatnissEverdeen could answer that? --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 03:19, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi! I can't speak for SnapSnap, though the reason I reverted the edit is because of the note directly below your addition of the RIAA certification (which you seem to have not seen or ignored) which reads "DO NOT ADD RIAA CERTIFICATIONS; since US chart peaks are not used for singles in this article, US certifications should not be added either, per WP:DISCOGSTYLE#Listing_certifications". Because there is a note there, that means that there has been consensus by other editors not to add that particular content. If you feel you have a strong reason for including it, I would suggest discussing it on the article's talk page first and see how other editors may feel about the situations. Hope this helps, and happy editing! :) Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 16:33, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

If you're the same IP user using diamondgarden.net and marinaandthediamonds.wikia.com as references, these sources are anything but credible. As per WP:UGC, user-generated sources such as forums and fan wikis are not reliable. Regarding the RIAA certifications, there's a hidden note in the page explaining why they are not supposed to be added. snapsnap ^(talk) 03:13, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Wasted Spark pdf

Hello, the Wasted Spark (Automotive Ignition System) has a pdf at the bottom of the page for a 2CV Ignition System Diagram. Pdf is actually takes you to a pornographic website. Visited last night 17/3/18 approx. 22:00 GMT. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.154.242.66 (talk) 20:21, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Wasted spark did have a url in a ref that led to a porn site. The ref had been there over 5 years and looks legitimate, so I believe the problem is with the target site. I have commented out the url for now, but the link is still there in older versions. Should this be marked as a DL or is there something more appropriate? MB 21:00, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Creating a new page

How do I create a new page? How do I go to the Article Wizard? — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnbeatableFlame154 (talk • contribs) 21:54, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

@UnbeatableFlame154: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would caution you that successfully creating a new article is probably one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia. It takes time, practice, and effort. New users who are most successful at creating pages first took time to make small edits to existing articles and gradually worked their way up to more substantive edits and eventually creating an article. This allowed them to learn firsthand how Wikipedia works and what is being looked for in articles. You may want to take the Wikipedia Adventure, a tutorial of sorts.

When you are ready, you should read Your First Article which summarizes the process and what is being looked for. It is important to understand that all articles must indicate with independent reliable sources how the subject is notable(as Wikipedia defines notability). We aren't interested in what the subject states about itself, only in what independent parties state. If that is something you are prepared to do, you should visit Articles for Creation where you can draft an article and submit it for review by another editor before it is formally placed in the encyclopedia; this way, you get feedback and advice on it beforehand, instead of afterwards when it will be treated more critically. 331dot (talk) 22:07, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

I see on your user page that you indicate you had two prior accounts that you forgot the passwords to. It would be a good idea for you to indicate which accounts those were on your userpage, so you avoid accusations of sockpuppetry. 331dot (talk) 22:09, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Dodge viper class changed.

Hi, a few weeks ago the Dodge viper was labeled a super car under it's class. Now it's labeled a sports car. I was wondering if it could be changed back please. Us viper owners would really appreciate it. A Mazda Miata is a sports car lol. Thank you for your time. Have a great day and thank you for all the information you provide! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:1CB0:7500:91A5:5CD5:2A25:DBC0 (talk) 22:45, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi 2600:1700:1CB0:7500:91A5:5CD5:2A25:DBC0. The place to discuss this would be the talk page of the article, Talk:Dodge viper. I see you have already made the change; if your edit is reverted, you should open a discussion on the talk page. However do note the consensus on what to say will be based on how the car is described in reliable sources, not what makes its owners feel good. – Joe (talk) 23:01, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Case is significant in page titles. Try Talk:Dodge Viper instead of Talk:Dodge viper. --David Biddulph (talk) 03:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Removal of tag

Over at the Political Correctness article, an administrator had added a tag stating "This article is missing information about examples of complaints being called politically correct. Please expand the article to include this information. Further details may exist on the talk page. (February 2018)". The tag makes sense as the article currently has zero examples of complaints being called PC. A small minority of editors continue to revert this tag without consensus. I am not interested in edit warring, but the tag should certainly stay until the situation is rectified. Is this something that would be best served by an RFC? Just curious as I don't know protocol in this type of situation. How do we make sure the tag stays up until things are straightened out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.114.214.45 (talk) 22:53, 17 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi there and welcome to the Teahouse 23.114.214.45! Consensus should probably be gathered on the article's talk page if possible. Primefac (or any other admin) could you lend a hand? (cc admin who added tag, Beland) --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 01:51, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

It's not a "small minority" when there are more people removing than adding... that makes you the "small minority continuing to add this tag without consensus". Koncorde (talk) 04:11, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

The important thing is that the article be improved in a way that has relatively broad support. If that can happen soon, it matters relatively little whether or not the tag is on the article. I'm drafting some language and will post to Talk:Political correctness. -- Beland (talk) 06:32, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Variation of WP policy across the various language editions

Where is policy covering the degree/extent to which the different language editions should follow common policies (e.g., re RS) ? I see WP:ABOUT says "All of these are maintained, updated, and managed by separate communities …", but was looking for further guidance re commonality/divergence of policies. Thx, Humanengr (talk) 00:17, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi there Humanengr and welcome to the Teahouse! Each language wiki tends to develop its own policies and runs more or less independently ("more or less" as the Wikimedia Foundation does have some control in matters of copyright, is the server host, etc.), so they can vary (somewhat) widely. For instance, the English Wiki seems to have one of the higher notability standards, when compared to other language Wikis. I hope this helps to answer your question and apologize that I am unable to give more of a straight forward one off hand. If anyone else has anything to add, I would welcome them to chime in. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 01:46, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

(As a memory prompt:) Perhaps there were some 'founding' documents declaring intent to host WP's in various languages? Humanengr (talk) 02:18, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I believe that for every Wiki they are given the liberty to change and write their own policies as they see fit. @Kudpung: You have been around here for a while. Do you know of any "founding" documents or base-policies that all the Wikipedia language sites must follow? I do know that they all tend to share similar policies, but imagine the wordings are different. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 03:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I am not aware. I didn't join Wikipedia until 12 years ago, but it was still very small then with only projects in the major world languages. Best to ask the WMF. Generally, the en.Wiki has the highest standards for notability which is why we often do not even accept translations from other Wikis, the en.Wiki is the most widely fread and therefore also has to cope with the copyright laws of many different countries. Main policy differences are the ways they elect thier admins and other functionaries, also often with much lower standards. Tha major Wikis, e.g. German, French, Italian, and Spanish are probably the most closely aligned, but do still have important differences. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:47, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@Humanengr:, sorry we couldn't give you a better answer. I have opened a thread on the founder (Jimmy Wales') talk page (perma link, link until archived), so hopefully we all hear something there. You definitely asked an interesting question that I am now interested in the answer to myself. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 04:19, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you both for your responses and fwd'g. Humanengr (talk) 07:13, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Please help

hey I'm still a baby when it come to editing and publishing so can someone check out this article that I just made it would be great. It is called Krijger so if you like it tell me on my talk page at User talk:Greecemaniac2005. ₦₭ THEGREECEPEACE 00:18, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

TonyBallioni moved to draft namespace and notified on Greecemaniac2005's talk page. I have also responded on the talk page. --TheSandDoctor ^Talk 01:40, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Greecemaniac2005. Could we try to work out why your signature appears to be broken? It needs to include at least one link to your user pages. Often, all that is needed is to untick the "Treat the above as wiki markup" in the signature section of Special:Preferences. Can you try that? Cordless Larry (talk) 10:02, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

About the article, which an admin moved to Draft space. No. Really, no. It has no references. You suggested that people contact you, and you described your expertise in languages. All of this is a no-no. As in, No. I suggest you set aside this draft for a while (it can stay parked for six months) and start building experience by improving existing articles. David notMD (talk) 12:04, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Editing Tupac Shakur Personal Life On His Wiki Page

I am totally confused in how to edit info on Tupac Shakur's wiki page. Have tried repeatedly to follow directions but have no idea what to do. Is there someone who can edit on my behalf or even phone numbers to call? 2PacKidada (talk) 08:45, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@2PacKidada: welcome to the Teahouse. You got a response to this question here - did you see that? New editors can't edit the Tupac Shakur article directly. You need to post to Talk:Tupac Shakur and suggest your additions or changes there. That talk page works just like this one does. --bonadea contributions talk 08:53, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I need help.

hi everyone. i need someone to create a new infobox template for me as i tried already and it didn't happen. i really felt frustrated. Do reply me if u can... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pluseditor (talk • contribs) 09:09, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Pluseditor: I assume you mean what is shown at User:Pluseditor/sandbox where you are trying to create "Infobox hill resort"? The problem is you are trying to copy the code provided by a template (the labeled rows, etc) rather than the code to make a template. For example, go to Template:Infobox film and you can see it shows the empty form used for the template. However if you click "Show source" at the top, it will show you the mroe complicated coding to actually create the format.

If you want to create such a template, I suggest you find a similar template, copy its code (not the format you fill out in the template itself) and copy it to your sandbox and modify it to have the title and fields you want it to have. Does that make sense?

How to safe a sandbox article?

Hi, instructions tell me I can write an article in my sandbox, then push 'save' but I do not see such a button appear, wherever I look over several days of checking options. One draft I wrote and edited indeed disappeared. I have created a user profile now but still see no 'save' option. What to do? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smileroad (talk • contribs) 09:57, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello @Smileroad: when you are writing in your sandbox, below your editing/writing window there are several rows of special buttons, below that a space for your "Edit summary" and below that a bright-colored button that says "Publish Changes". That is the button you want to push to save your sandbox edits, or save changes on any page (like you did here on this Talk page). Does that answer your question? MatthewVanitas (talk) 10:27, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello Matthew, I got it, I thought "publish changes" it means it would go public already. As far as I understand, this version is not searchable yet and only public to a limited extent. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smileroad (talk • contribs) 13:08, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

You are the latest victim of the fact that the WMF decided to change the software so that the button said "Publish" instead of "Save" without changing the instructions. The "Publish" button does not publish a draft to mainspace but merely saves the draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:13, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@Smileroad: You do not have a sandbox yet. The only page in your User space is your own User page, User:Smileroad. If you want to create a sandbox, click on the "Sandbox" link near the top right of the screen. This will tell you there is no such page yet, and give you the option to create it.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

revision history

i want to revise the topics in wikepedia( help me to check history of visited pages) as i am a doctor and preparing for my exams ,i also like to change change the medical encyclopaedia as it is offline in android app can it be also in my laptop. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prakashgupta123 (talk • contribs) 13:14, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello Prakashgupta123. I'm really sorry - I'm not quite sure what you're asking of us. If my answers below do not assist you, could you ask it again in a different way, please?

If by 'revise' you mean 'study' - then I hope Wikipedia articles help you study and prepare for your exams.

If by 'revise' you mean 'edit', then yes, anyone is free to edit any article. But be aware that medical articles have VERY stringent criteria for references. The opinions of you, your teachers, or any out-of-date text books is not sufficient. You can find more information at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine).

Every page on Wikipedia has a 'history' tab at the top of the page in Desktop (i.e. non-mobile view). You can check the history of every revision or check the number of visits to each page over time by clicking the 'page view statistics' link you'll find on the View History page itself. (You can see daily visit figures going back to mid-2015)

I successfully view and edit Wikipedia in four different ways, which you ought to be able to do, too. PC Desktop; PC laptop; iphone mobile and on an old Android tablet.

There is nothing at all to stop you copying a page from Wikipedia and pasting it into a word processor for offline reading, or printing it onto paper or saving as a PDF. (There are links on the far left side of each page in Desktop view to help you do this)

My sincere apologies if I have misunderstood your questions. Regards from the UK, and good luck with your exams. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:30, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Want to add more information about slavery to Wikipedia

Hi, I want to add more information about slavery and forced labour to Wikipedia, but my contributions are being deleted, sometimes only in part but sometimes wholesale. I've been told I'll be blocked if I try to add it back in, and I keep expecting to be blocked just for disagreeing on talk pages. If that happens again I hope someone will come talk to me on my talk page. Although this problem has occurred in a number of articles, I would like to focus on Belgian Congo and Lever Brothers for the time being. In the case of the Belgian Congo, my contributions were removed wholesale with the exception of a single sentence acknowledgement about the forced labour regime. In the case of Lever Brothers, my contributions were only partially deleted but the result is very weird. It seems like stuff was deleted more or less at random just for the sake of keeping the word count down.

Here are references I provided for the existence of forced labour in the Belgian Congo. I consider the first two to be of the greatest quality and relevance. (Note:References on Lever Brothers have also been included in this collapsed section below.Nick Moyes (talk))

Extended content

Marchal, Jules (1999). Forced labor in the gold and copper mines: a history of Congo under Belgian rule, 1910-1945. Translated by Ayi Kwei Armah (reprint ed.). Per Ankh Publishers. Marchal, Jules (2008). Lord Leverhulme's Ghosts: Colonial Exploitation in the Congo. Translated by Martin Thom. Introduced by Adam Hochschild. London: Verso. ISBN 978-1-84467-239-4. First published as Travail forcé pour l'huile de palme de Lord Leverhulme: L'histoire du Congo 1910-1945, tome 3 by Editions Paula Bellings in 2001. Rich, Jeremy (Spring 2009). "Lord Leverhulme's Ghost: Colonial Exploitation in the Congo (review)". Project Muse. Journal of Colonialism and Colonial History. Retrieved 17 March 2018. Hochschild, Adam (1999). "18. Victory?". King Leopold's Ghost: a story of greed, terror, and heroism in colonial Africa. Boston: Mariner Books. Buell, Raymond Leslie (1928). The native problem in Africa, Volume II. New York: The Macmillan Company. pp. 540–544. Zoellner, Tom (2009). "1 Scalding Fruit". Uranium: war, energy, and the rock that shaped the world. New York: Penguin Group. pp. 4–5. Lewis, Brian (2008). "Sunlight for Savages". So Clean: Lord Leverhulme, Soap and Civilisation. Manchester: Manchester University Press. pp. 188–190. Edmondson, Brad (2014). "10: The Sale Agreements". Ice Cream Social: The Struggle for the Soul of Ben & Jerry's. San Francisco, California: Berrett-Koehler Publishers. Makelele, Albert. This is a Good Country: Welcome to the Congo. pp. 43–44. De Witte, Ludo (January 9, 2016). "Congolese oorlogstranen: Deportatie en dwangarbeid voor de geallieerde oorlogsindustrie (1940-1945)". DeWereldMorgen.be. Retrieved 17 March 2018. "Lord Leverhulme". History. Retrieved 17 March 2018. Mitchell, Donald (2014). The Politics of Dissent: A Biography of E D Morel. SilverWood Books. "Un autre regard sur l'Histoire Congolaise: Guide alternatif de l'exposition de Tervuren" (PDF). p. 14. Retrieved 17 March 2018. Here are references I provided for the use of forced labour by Lever Brothers. I consider the first to be of the greatest quality and relevance. Marchal, Jules (2008). Lord Leverhulme's Ghosts: Colonial Exploitation in the Congo. Translated by Martin Thom. Introduced by Adam Hochschild. London: Verso. ISBN 978-1-84467-239-4. First published as Travail forcé pour l'huile de palme de Lord Leverhulme: L'histoire du Congo 1910-1945, tome 3 by Editions Paula Bellings in 2001. Rich, Jeremy (Spring 2009). "Lord Leverhulme's Ghost: Colonial Exploitation in the Congo (review)". Project Muse. Journal of Colonialism and Colonial History. Retrieved 17 March 2018. Buell, Raymond Leslie (1928). The native problem in Africa, Volume II. New York: The Macmillan Company. pp. 540–544. Lewis, Brian (2008). "Sunlight for Savages". So Clean: Lord Leverhulme, Soap and Civilisation. Manchester: Manchester University Press. pp. 188–190. Edmondson, Brad (2014). "10: The Sale Agreements". Ice Cream Social: The Struggle for the Soul of Ben & Jerry's. San Francisco, California: Berrett-Koehler Publishers. Makelele, Albert. This is a Good Country: Welcome to the Congo. pp. 43–44. De Witte, Ludo (January 9, 2016). "Congolese oorlogstranen: Deportatie en dwangarbeid voor de geallieerde oorlogsindustrie (1940-1945)". DeWereldMorgen.be. Retrieved 17 March 2018. "Lord Leverhulme". History. Retrieved 17 March 2018. Mitchell, Donald (2014). The Politics of Dissent: A Biography of E D Morel. SilverWood Books. "Un autre regard sur l'Histoire Congolaise: Guide alternatif de l'exposition de Tervuren" (PDF). p. 14. Retrieved 17 March 2018. Here are some additional sources, which I listed only on the talk page because I have not reviewed them personally. They are listed by Jules Marchal as sources he used in writing Lord Leverhulme's Ghosts. Chalux, Un an au Congo Belge, Brussels, 1925 Denis Leopold, Les Jesuites Belges au Kwango, Brussels 1943 A. Lycops, O. Louwers and G. Touchard, eds, Etat independant du Congo. Recuil usuel de la legislation, 7 bols, Brussels, 1902-1913 Henri Nicolai, Le Kwilu, Edition Cemubac (Centre scientifique et medical de l'ULB en Afrique Centrale), LXIX-1963 W.A.G. Ormsby-Gore, Report by the Hon. W. A. G. Ormsby-Gore M.P. (parliamentiary under-secretary of state for the Colonies) on his visit to West Africa during the year 1926, London, September 1926, command paper 2744. Jacques Vanderlinden, Pierre Ryckmans, Brussels 1994 Charles Wilson, The History of Unilever, 3 vols, London 1954 The following deposits from the African archives that are stored in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Brussels: AI: Affaires indigenes AIMO: Affaires indigenes et main-d'oevre du gouvernement general FP: Force publique GG Leo: achircives due gouvernement general a Leopoldville H: Hygiene MOI: Main-d'oeuvre indigene SPA: Sevice due personnel d'Afrique T: archives de la 3e direction generale, tome A 47, dossiers T (terres)

Also semi-official publications from the AMC (Annuaires due Ministere des Colonies), BA (Bulletin administatif et commercial du Congo Belge), BCB (Biographie Coloniale Belge), and BO (Bulletin officiel)

Ashy Waves (talk) 13:31, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I found instructions above on how to create a sandbox article and pasted my version of Belgian Congo there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ashy_Waves/sandbox Is there a way to make a second sandbox article for Lever Brothers? Or can I only have one sandbox article? Ashy Waves (talk) 14:00, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

On my talk page someone left a comment stating, "Stop spamming your proposed content all over the place and read WP:CANVASS. Also, do not create RFCs with invalid opening statements." This seems to confirm my fears that I may be blocked soon just for disagreeing with people on talk pages. If that happens I hope someone will talk to me on my talk page. Ashy Waves (talk) 14:22, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Ashy_Waves, and welcome to our Teahouse. (Note: I see that since I started drafting my reply to you, you have been blocked indefinitely by NeilN for disruptive editing. Here is the advice I would have given you had you continued to be able to contribute in a constructive manner)

Although I'm not qualified to comment on the topics you want to create content on, I can make some suggestions on how best to fit in with the editing practices we expect everyone to follow here. Problems can sometimes occur when those new to editing either don't quite understand how things are done here, or continue to ignore the advice of experienced editors in the belief they're 'righting great wrongs'. I can see that you've become somewhat frustrated by the engagement you have had with other editors on the Talk Pages of certain articles, or from feedback you've personally received. My best advice is imply to consider what those other editors are saying, and stop to see if there is a better way to go about improving articles. I sense that you've wanted to insert rather long essay-like paragraphs on slavery to the Belgian Congo article which, prior to that contained virtually no mention of the subject. I'll admit the latter surprised me, but I think you've already been advised about concerns over some sources and the need not to add 'undue weight' to topic that received 1000+ hits a day. It's a case of progressing slowly and substantiating statements, and ensuring they're added in the correct place. Detailed stats in a lead paragraph would be the wrong place, for example.

It probably would be inadvisable to try to reinsert content which has been contested. And it's good that you're engaging on the talk pages with other editors who know how things work around here. Consider instead writing one single, neutrally written (i.e. balanced) paragraph as a new section on slavery, and proposing that on the article's talk page for others to consider. You should continue to try to reach consensus there over content and reliable sources. I cannot envisage you being blocked as a result of presenting, concise reasoned arguments on any talk page, providing it it clear you're here to edit and improve neutrally written encyclopaedic content. We do occasionally get individual editors who are here on a mission to cleanse topics, or who try to slant them to one extreme viewpoint - those type of editors do tend to get blocked eventually. So, we never say person/regime X was a monster - we show evidence that demonstrates the good things they did and evidence from reliable independent sources to show that they had darker sides. All has to be balanced and neutrally presented, with good sources that are themselves deemed authoritative, independent and reliable. I hope you can manage to do that in a succinct and constructive way, whilst working alongside other editors.

I see you've copied a version of the entire Belgian Congo as you had edited the article into your sandbox. You had no reason to do that, as we can all view any article at any point in time by displaying what we call "diffs" - like this one. We require all editors who paste whole chunks of articles to work on in their sandboxes to credit the sources. You can do this retrospectively by making a Dummy Edit and explaining in the edit summary where the content came from. Better still, please remove it, as we don't need to see it. Either way, do not for a moment think of submitting it as one might normally do with new draft content in a sandbox; this would not be an acceptable way to carry on. (i.e. we already have one article on that topic - we never consider alternative versions; we edit the original by consensus.) You asked if there's a way to make a second sandbox page. Yes - you simply edit the url. But once again I advise you not to copy an entire article in the vain hope you can submit a new one - you won't be allowed to. It's OK to paste sections of an article if you plan to work on it and perhaps offer revised wording on a Talk page for consideration. Again, when pasting any content into your sandbox from another page, credit all past editors by referring in the edit summary to the source of that content i.e. include a link to the source page. I suspect I haven't addressed your key concerns about how to get all you want to say into an article. The reality is you probably won't. But try to understand how we do things (the best way being to learn to make minor edits and uncontroversial changes first), and work with others to find a way forward. I hope this helps a little. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:59, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

(edit conflict) and too late! You obviously feel very deeply about your content, but you need to understand that Wikipedia articles need to be balanced. Adding many paragraphs on a topic tangential to an article title will not make you popular with other editors. You will not be blocked for disagreeing, but if you persist in adding large amounts of content that the majority of editors consider to be of minor importance to the particular article, then you possibly risk action by administrators. I suggest that you slow down and discuss edits on article talk pages. Dbfirs 14:59, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

picture request

Hi - I know you're not supposed to edit the pages of people you know personally, but if they have a page but there's no photo is it ok to ask them for one and add it? Thanks Biochemlife (talk) 14:50, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Great question, Biochemlife! The answer's a qualified 'yes'. Because copyright resides in the hand of the photographer, if you know that person, please go ahead and take a photo of them and upload it yourself. If that's impossible, ask them to create a freee Wikipedia account and ask them to upload it from that account themselves. What we can't accept is you uploading a picture they've sent you with a note saying 'it's ok to use this, mate' , or something similar. Do you think you could manage that? If not, come back and we'll provide a link to how they can supply a photo of themselves and release it under the appropriate licence. Again, remember that it's the photographer, not the person in the picture who holds the copyright. Tripods and self-timers are wonderful things! regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:16, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for the response - The page in question is for a scientist who works where I do, so I will ask her if I can take a picture. Biochemlife (talk) 15:23, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Brill. That's the best way. You might even wish to consider asking them if you could make an additional 10-15 second video of them. (Tripod useful!) The Women in Red Wikiproject and others have been encouraging short videos of notable people to be made. They obviously can't be used as reliable sources of fact, but imagine having short sequences of notable people where they work and where you can here them saying in their own words something along the lines of "Hi, I'm Dr Smith, I'm a scientist here at Foo University where I study the DNA of chemo-organo heterotrophic respiratory-catabolising organisms and at weekends I enjoy voodoo and welding..." Nick Moyes (talk) 15:45, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Formatting error at Bad Dragon?

I tried copying the company infobox template from Google and filling it in with relevant information, but the infobox fell apart. Could someone tell me why? The Verified Cactus 100% 15:33, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

 Done Hi VerifiedCactus. You had managed to insert a couple of pairs of unnecessary }} characters which closed the Infobox too early. The Infox template should both start and finish with curly brackets. Any others used within it should be 'sub-templates' such as for that for a bulleted list, and must always be in matching pairs. Going through your diffs it was easy to spot the odd additions, plus there's a really useful script which you can deploy which gives you different colours of source code for references and templates, so any wrong colours highlight a coding error., If you'd find this useful, I'll dig out the link for you. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 15:55, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! I think I'll be fine without the script for now though. The Verified Cactus 100% 15:57, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I'd forgotten - it wasn't a user-installed script: In fact, "Wikitext syntax highlighting" is a great little tool, currently under beta-testing, and easily selectable from one's 'Preferences' settings. Nick Moyes (talk)

Protecting My Pages

I wanted to protect my user page. But how can I do that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnbeatableFlame154 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi UnbeatableFlame154 pages are only protected if they are subject to frequent persistent vandalism. Your userpage does not qualify. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:06, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

In addition to what Dodger67 says, it is very bad form for one editor to change another editor's userpage without good reason, and noone has edited yours since it was created, UnbeatableFlame154. See this page for more details. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:32, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

User:Deermouse page has been established,

Creating the user page under guidelines MoS, I would introduce myself as an editor in the making. You are invited to visit User:Deermouse page and post a critique of your choice. There are many things to learn; I am being attentive.Deermouse (talk) 18:04, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

M: prefix

As you know M: is being interpreted as "meta". I'm trying to create a page which has M: in the title and obviously it's not working. How could I prohibit the interpretation as a prefix? Adler (talk) 18:04, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Worth a read is WP:TSC. {{Correct title}} seems appropriate here. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 18:46, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@Adler.fa: adding ping. ∰Bellezzasolo✡ Discuss 18:53, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@Adler.fa: See also Wikipedia:Naming conventions (technical restrictions)#Colons. You have to choose another name and you cannot prevent the "M:" name from linking to meta. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:07, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

List of owners of English football clubs

• List of owners of English football clubs

This article has Blackpool FC's ownership at 80% one person and 25% another - the maximum sum can only be 100% — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C4:2119:EF00:858F:FEE5:62CC:BE40 (talk) 18:06, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for pointing this out. The numbers also contradict the current values in the main article Blackpool F.C. - just mentioning it here as additional info. Generally speaking, the article's talkpage (or the main article's talkpage) would be the best place to raise such concerns, but maybe someone knowledgeable (aka. not me in this case) here is able to help too. I have formatted your original message a bit to avoid external links in the header, and I have now also added a maintenance tag in the article to notify other editors. GermanJoe (talk) 18:40, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Meeting a friend

I want to see someone that I like on Wikipedia. But, I do not know any of her articles. How can I see her? — Preceding unsigned comment added by UnbeatableFlame154 (talk • contribs) 19:11, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, UnbeatableFlame154. Welcome back. Your question does not make sense, I'm afraid. We're here to help build the world's most amazing free encyclopedia. We're not here to meet people. Please see : What Wikipedia is not. Many of us here do get to know other editors in the course of our work, but only in the anonymous context of collaborating and helping one another to edit and improve Wikipedia. We do arrange various meetups and editing events] around the world, but I suspect that's probably not what's in your mind. Please remember that the Teahouse is here to answer questions on how to edit Wikipedia, not how to find stuff. That's what Google's good at. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 19:55, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, UnbeatableFlame154. If you know the username of another editor, you can leave a message on that editor's user talk page. But otherwise, Nick Moyes was correct above. We talk to other editors here mostly about how best to work on the encyclopedia, not for general social chit chat. There are other sites for those purposes. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:21, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Article: List of tea varieties?

Have a cuppa - you've earned it with that question!

I've noticed that there is no article that lists different types or varieties of tea in general. Is it reasonable and useful to create such an article? Also, is it possible for a list like this to get featured (it might be either incomplete or too long while meeting the other criteria for a featured list)? FlyingShrimp (talk) 20:47, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

What a good question, FlyingShrimp, and what a good place to ask it. That deserves a cuppa! Most articles that we have on one form of tea or another seem to use this template: {{Teas}}, which lists them all at the bottom of each tea-related page. Some people argue that when we have a template listing everything we don't need a 'List' to duplicate it; others seem to disagree and think that both approaches have merit. But there again there is also this List of Chinese teas. The problem I envisage is defining what is meant by 'tea'. I'd suggest that limiting a list to only those notable/recognised varieties based on Camellia sinensis would be manageable if anyone were so minded to create one. A question to pose on the talk page of Tea, perhaps? Regards from the tea-drinking capital of the world, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:09, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

New Article - Congressional Gold Medal, Paul C Fleming

Hello:

I often use and donate to wiki. However, I finally updated an article for the first time and signed up for my username. It's on Texas A&M's site and I added my grandfather, age 93, who just received the Congressional Gold Medal of Honor. If there is any verification needed, I have pictures, video, the medal, etc. Is it sufficient to just change something? How do you guys check all this? Thanks! Marti — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martifleming (talk • contribs) 17:04, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Martifleming. Welcome to our friendly Teahouse, and congratulations on making your first edits here. It's so easy to do, but somehow seems so scary at the same time. Oh, and thank you for contributing to Wikimedia Foundation (WMF) too - none of it comes to us - we're all volunteers here. It all goes to the many outreach and support services that the WMF provides around the world.

I'm really glad you came here and asked those questions. The answer is yes, content does indeed get checked and verified by all sorts of routes. I can really see your edit is well-meant, though you might just find it does get challenged. This happens a lot - purely so we can keep Wikipedia accurate and based on verifiable information sources, rather than simply what people know to be true. If it does, please don't take offence, or take it as a slight to your grandfather. My first question would be to ask if there was any local news coverage of this story - it sounds like the kind of thing that might receive coverage, either by the university or by local media. If so, that would be the ideal thing to offer as a reference to prove verifiability. I would hate you to take offence, but photos of unpublished correspondence is rarely taken as sufficient evidence - purely on the ground that people do actually doctor these kinds of images. Of course, the University article also now has conflicting statements - seven alumni stated as being honoured; eight alumni listed. I wonder what you think of these observations, or if you need any more support to reflect the honour his country has bestowed on your grandfather? Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:27, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

@Martifleming: Update: Well, at least we've now demonstrated how we check and verify things - and so quickly too! I see another editor has spotted your edit, and reverted it for lack of support, and that they left a polite message explaining the reason for this on your Talk page. This is quite normal, so please don't be offended by this - it's actually a great demonstration of how we all operate for the greater good, and none of my comments above are rendered irrelevant, nor is the removal of your grandfather's name irreversible. (A little trick I sometimes do when I have facts at my disposal that I can't currently prove to everyone's satisfaction, is to leave a note on the article's talk page, stating what I'd like to add, but can't necessarily support at the present time. That will stay there forever - and you may find other editors willing and able to help you insert the supporting sources, or to mobilise a photo, or to encourage you to submit that news story to local media or to the University itself.) Nick Moyes (talk) 21:47, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Martifleming. What we would need is a citation to a published reliable source or sources that show a) that Paul S. Flemming won the Gold Medal of Honor, and b) that he attended Texas A&M. Newspaper stories would be good, but other sources would be acceptable. We don't need scans, date of publication and name of work and title of article will do. See WP:CITE for more information. http://www.homeofheroes.com/verify/recipients_f.html does not seem to list him. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 21:48, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Maximum Number of Words in Book Plots

Is the maximum number the same as the maximum number of words required in film/movie plots? Thissecretperson (talk) 21:41, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Thissecretperson, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no exact word count limit. Please see Wikipedia:How to write a plot summary and particularly its its "Length section. See also Wikipedia:Plot-only description of fictional works, and MOS:PLOT ll of which suggest that 400-700 words is usually sufficient. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 23:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for suggesting the articles-I was struggling with trying to find the right ones. Thissecretperson (talk) 01:57, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Adding initials in the title of a biographical wiki

Hello:

The page I created, Vadrevu Raju, does not have a "Move" option. I would like to add his informal name (V.K.) to the title [i.e., Vadrevu (V.k.) Raju]. How can I make that edit? Thank you!  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jemangold738 (talk • contribs) 22:43, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Jemangold738, welcome to our Teahouse. You are unable to make any such moves until your account has made at least 10 edits. See WP:AUTOCONFIRM for details why. That said, I'm not totally convinced that a name change would help users find the article more easily than at present. Always best to discuss these things on the article's talk page. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:11, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

Agree with Nick Moyes that such a page move is a bad idea, as it will make the subject harder to locate for no real reason. Stormy clouds (talk) 00:16, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Help me please

I accidentally placed the redirect 〦 with the templates and names to delete an article. I need it moved to WP:RFD somehow, but I am not very skilled at doing that. Can someone who understands my question help me? Thanks Goveganplease (talk) 00:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi Goveganplease. I have fixed it. The discussion is now at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 March 19#〦. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:03, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Goveganplease, the character is in fact one of the Suzhou numerals, the one for 6. DES ^(talk)_{DESiegel Contribs} 03:57, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

I hit publish by accident

I think I accidently published an article for Anthony C. (Ant) Bell. I need to unpublish it because it is not finished. It is my first article. I need to know how to save a draft.

Vanitaapplebum (talk) 00:41, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vanitaapplebum: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You did save your draft; "Publish changes" is equivalent to "save changes". It does not mean your draft is formally part of the encyclopedia. Your draft is at Draft:Anthony C. (Ant) Bell. 331dot (talk) 00:50, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

@Vanitaapplebum:, I have also posted a few additional links with some basic information to your user talkpage. If you haven't done so already, I strongly recommend to read through WP:Your first article with a lot of useful information and advice for new editors. Hope that helps. GermanJoe (talk) 00:59, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Whether the references are required for an edit?

I had submit an edit without any reference, and then it was rejected, so, whether the references are required for an edit? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris Cloud (talk • contribs) 01:44, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

@Chris Cloud: Welcome to the Teahouse. You must mean Draft:Cloud-Clone, which was not deleted. Instead, your submission was declined. Maybe you didn't intend to click the submit button? The best thing you could do would be to read the explanation and some of the links it provided, and then if you have questions about the details come back here. RockMagnetist(talk) 03:07, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Who?

I was wondering who wrote Mental Chronometry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.209.162.167 (talk) 02:19, 19 March 2018

Welcome to the Teahouse. You see the tab saying "View history" at the top of this page? It's at the top of every page and contains a list of all the edits that have been done on a page. See Help:Page history for more. RockMagnetist(talk) 03:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. According to the revision history, this article was written by Zazim way back in 2006. Zazim has not edited since that year. Several other editors have made major and minor changes to the article since then. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:52, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Draft declined

Hello. I am creating an article for our Organization. But we still don't have any reference to site aside from those where we got the foundations of our group. I wish for a guidance for my draft will be accepted. It says that we should add secondary references about us, not by us. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crctofficial (talk • contribs) 05:24, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. I have taken the liberty of adding a new section heading as it appears that your question does not refer to the section in which you placed it. Without references to reliable sources independent of the subject, the draft will not be accepted and there cannot be a Wikipedia article. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:11, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Why did my article get deleted repeatedly?

I have written an article on MIT-ADT University. but it has been deleted with a reason of promotional content but the article does not have any promotion or advertising content then why it has been deleted? Kindly let me know how can I improve my draft for getting it approved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhameja.Kunal (talk • contribs) 05:45, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Welcome to our Teahouse, Dhameja.Kunal. I am unable to view deleted content, but I can see the subsequent draft you are working on at Draft:MIT Art ,Design and Technology University. Creating a new article from scratch is one of the hardest tasks for anyone to achieve on Wikipedia, let alone a new editor like you. Remember that this is an encyclopaedia project, and that information must be presented in a clear, concise and informative way. It should be well laid out, and only contain information that can be found in what we call reliable sources that are independent of the subject. At the moment the content and structure of your draft is very messy. You don't need sub-headings for all the clubs and course offered - in fact you don't even need to list them. Just base what you write on what those sources say, and nothing more. If there are no sources to support what you want to write, then the simple rule is: "do not write it!" A two sentence entry that is clear and informative is far, far better than four paragraphs of promotional waffle. As a start, might I invite you to consider which elements in the following, unreferenced sentences that you drafted sound inappropriate for a neutral encyclopaedia: Formerly owned by the infamous Bollywood star, Raj Kapoor's family, the MIT Group of Institutions bought this campus on 4th August, 2002. In an attempt to pay respect to Mr Raj Kapoor's dream, the land’s original serenity was retained while developing it into a large educational campus. In spite of its proximity to the traffic-prone Pune-Sholapur Highway, the campus is in the lap of Mother Nature and exudes peace and tranquillity.? Just tell us that MIT is a university. Tell us where it is, and provide links to references to support what you write, and to prove it actually exists. Then you could add an external link to the university's own website. Then your job will be done. Nobody cares what clubs it has, or how someone feels it is lovely and tranquil, so you should leave this out unless there has been significant media coverage that makes it worth reporting upon. You might wish to look at other school or college articles, remembering that far too many of them also try to write in flowery terms like these. Check their structure and layout, and do please read: Wikipedia:Your first article. Remember: "less is more". Finally, I have just checked for exisiting articles, and you will also need to clarify any connection with or distinction between Maharashtra Institute of Technology - World Peace University, MIT School of Business and Maharashtra Institute of Technology, Aurangabad. Hoping this will assist you. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:09, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Hello, Dhameja.Kunal. I'm going to disagree a bit with the otherwise excellent advice that Nick Moyes has given you: it is not enough to find references that show that the place "actually exists". Many things actually exist in the world, that do not merit an article in Wikipedia; for example, me, my car, my house, the shop where I buy my fruit and vegetables. What we require is that at least a couple of people who have no connection with the subject have chosen to write in some depth about the subject, and been published in reliable places. The "no connection" is important - Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what any subject says about themselves, or what their friends, relatives, employees, or associates, say about them; so if the only material published is from such sources, then it is not possible to write an acceptable article. --ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

yes, I agree with what ColinFine has said about articles needing to meet our notability criteria, especially [[WP:NORG|Notability for organisations) in your case. That omission was because I assumed a University would meet these standards and be unlikely to be accepted for deletion - as explained a bit better at WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES. But I was wrong not to have mentioned it at all, Dhameja.Kunal, because we are talking about a new article being accepted, and nowadays the bar for accepting new pages is higher than for deleting existing ones. Thank you for pointing this out, Colin.  I have just dug out this essay (i.e. it's not a formal policy or guideline) which also gives some useful guidance on how to write on this topic, noting that genuine universities are, de facto usually considered 'Notable': Wikipedia:College and university article advice. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 11:26, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

inquiry

Hi, May I know why my first article was decline? Thank you, I am wiling to learn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bebzpalomo (talk • contribs) 06:36, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi ! Your article was decline because your submission read more like an essay than an encyclopedia article. Submissions should summarise information in secondary, reliable sources and not contain opinions or original research. Please write about the topic from a neutral point of view in an encyclopedic manner. --Clément Chevallier (talk) 06:51, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Enable thanks after edits?

Hello. Some editors have a thank link at the end of an edit, shown in the 'View History' page. How is this enabled? Rolmops23 (talk) 06:59, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi @Rolmops23: that feature is automatically enabled for all logged-in editors, but not for IP addresses. The documentation is here. --bonadea contributions talk 07:08, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi, I need some help!

I wrote a Korean Wikipedia article about 'The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life' which is written by Erving Goffman. I explained the book and also introduced about the writer, Erving Goffman. But someone delected that part(about author) and sent debate message to me that I should explain about him at the 'Erving Goffman' page. But The context which is about writer was not too long and I think it is very important to introduce him to understand the book, so I think it is okay to mention him. I want to listen to your opinions!--Yeon So Jeong (talk) 07:49, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

This page is for advice on editing the English Wikipedia. Questions regarding the Korean Wikipedia need to be asked there, not here. --David Biddulph (talk) 08:02, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

@Yeon So Jeong: As David says, each language Wikipedia has very different ways of approaching subjects, not to mention every editor having their referred way of constructing an article. On English Wikipedia we would expect the page on The Presentation of Self in Everyday Life to mention and link to the main article about the author, assuming there is one. On en.wiki there is. Here, we would consider whether it is the book that is notable or the author - but how Korean Wikipedians address these issues really is a matter to discuss there, and we can offer no opinion to guide you - but thank you so much for coming to our Teahouse today. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 09:22, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

@Yeon So Jeong and Nick Moyes: IMVHO, if there were some specific events in the author's life, which triggered the impulse to write the book or which substantially influenced its contents, they may be mentioned in the article about book. But any extended description (and especially facts not directly connected to the book) should be placed in the author's biography. At least that's how we usually write in en-wiki and pl-wiki. --CiaPan (talk) 09:52, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
P.S. I don't know Korean at all, but according to interlanguage links, the corresponding articles are ko:자아 연출의 사회학 for the book and ko:어빙 고프먼 for its author.
And ko-wiki page correlated to this Teahouse is possibly ko:위키백과:키다리 아저씨, linked in a side bar here. --CiaPan (talk)

Ip adress

Hello,

I was doing a bit of research on an organisation and I stumbled upon a discrepancy in the wikipedia article with another one I found. I figured I might make the small correction, but then after I made it, I learned that one's IP address gets recorded. I have no clue how Wikipedia works. Now, I'm afraid of what someone could theoretically do with my IP address being plastered there. I tried to revert the edit to see if I remove my record of having changed it but it simply recorded each of my efforts to change it back. I then hastily made an account and now I am wondering if there is some way I can a) have my username show up instead of my ip address, or b) delete the record of my edits altogether.

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saoaot3120 (talk • contribs) 10:23, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

@Saoaot3120: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. All edits must be attributable to either a username or IP address. As you found out, entries in edit histories cannot be removed. Others may know more than I do but I don't believe there is a way for you to shift your edits under your IP address to your username. I think that the only thing you can do is remember to use your username going forward which, as you are aware, hides your IP address. 331dot (talk) 10:36, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

• @Saoaot3120: You can ask to have the edit suppressed from public view per Wikipedia:Oversight criterion #1. See Wikipedia:Requests for oversight for how to request it. DO NOT post a link to the edit on a publically-viewable page (such as here), though. Tigraan^{Click here to contact me} 10:59, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

google does not see my article

Not that you cannot get to it, if you know the exact address or get to the article through a long-established article in an alternative language. But the article does not show up in google searches.

This is a newly-written article and I have submitted it for review, but also published — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marek Gelbhart (talk • contribs) 11:18, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

@Marek Gelbhart: I have answered you on your user talk page. Please only ask a question in one location. Thanks 331dot (talk) 11:21, 19 March 2018 (UTC)

Reference for publication date of story or novel

In Wikipedia I very often see dates of original publication for books and stories without reference. Is it appropriate to add a citation for this date?