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* '''Keep''' for the time being, and do not relegate to talk pages, for the same reasons as the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_April_10#Template:Academic-written_review previous template]. [[User:Sylvain Ribault|Sylvain Ribault]] ([[User talk:Sylvain Ribault|talk]]) 16:03, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' for the time being, and do not relegate to talk pages, for the same reasons as the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2018_April_10#Template:Academic-written_review previous template]. [[User:Sylvain Ribault|Sylvain Ribault]] ([[User talk:Sylvain Ribault|talk]]) 16:03, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Encouraging academic editors is a priority that I think strongly benefits Wikipedia. This template can furthermore can benefit the reader as a quality indication. While this duplicates our GA and FA system, some readers may trust a peer review process more or less than our system. Many readers are looking for something able to be cited. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 20:48, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' Encouraging academic editors is a priority that I think strongly benefits Wikipedia. This template can furthermore can benefit the reader as a quality indication. While this duplicates our GA and FA system, some readers may trust a peer review process more or less than our system. Many readers are looking for something able to be cited. [[User:Daask|Daask]] ([[User talk:Daask|talk]]) 20:48, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
* '''Keep''', but put it on the talk page. May be good to integrate it with the GA/FA system? [[User:Stevenfruitsmaak|Steven Fruitsmaak]] <small>([[User_talk:Stevenfruitsmaak|Reply]])</small> 18:15, 12 April 2018 (UTC)


==== [[Template:Current sports transaction]] ====
==== [[Template:Current sports transaction]] ====

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April 10

Template:Academic-written review

This sounds like a TOU violation to me. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:56, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - I don't think it violates the TOU. The content added to Wikipedia is provided under appropriate licenses for the explicit and sole purpose of improving the encyclopedia.[1] The template is a useful marker to indicate that the content has been externally peer reviewed. From Wikipedia's point of view, the accompanying academic review is a useful bonus. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 09:33, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this is either a delete or a talkspace, or possibly "convert to tracking template". The publication of an article as an article published elsewhere fits into the Further reading category, if we think it's important to navel-gaze, but it doesn't particularly need its own separate template to do so. --Izno (talk) 14:36, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - The content is generated under a dual publication model, so there should be no copyright issues with it. Whether in main space or talk page, having these templates makes it easy find, track, and immediately understand the different ways in which quality academic-reviewed content has been added to Wikipedia via various Wikipedia institutional partnerships, initiatives, and publication models. The template has the added value of building trust in the quality of the content if kept in the main space. If you think it should be moved to the talk page, please add that and other suggestions for improving it to the template's talk page. There were only a few suggestions from the community available when creating the template, so its format and placement was based on the Template:Academic_peer_reviewed under discussion below. Gtsulab (talk) 16:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, but it should be used only on talk pages, not within articles themselves. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:21, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for the time being, and do not relegate to talk pages. Attracting academic contributors to Wikipedia is a challenge, to the extent that there are guidelines about it. Advertising academic contributions prominently can contribute to addressing this challenge. If and when this template becomes too widespread and therefore a nuisance, it will be time to discuss removing it, or replacing it with a discreet logo of the GA, FA type. Sylvain Ribault (talk) 16:00, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Encouraging academic editors is a priority that I think strongly benefits Wikipedia. This template can furthermore can benefit the reader as a quality indication. While this duplicates our GA and FA system, some readers may trust a peer review process more or less than our system. Many readers are looking for something able to be cited. Daask (talk) 20:45, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Not seeing any concerns. How is it a TOU violation? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 14:56, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Academic peer reviewed

Why is this on the articles themselves? Doesn't this stuff belong on the talk page? Also, it doesn't need to be this big. Just a italicized hatnote would suffice. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:56, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Are you proposing changes or deletion? How many Wikipedia articles have been formally published? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:29, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I think that having on the main page is pretty reasonable. Templates such as {{InterPro_content}} or {{Citizendium}} are displayed in mainspace. Similarly content quality templates like {{Confusing}} or {{Missing_information}} are presented at the top of a page, though I think that the references section is the logical location to indicate that the article effectively draws heavily from a main peer reviewed source (e.g. Circular_permutation_in_proteins is based on Bliven, S; Prlić, A (2012). "Circular Permutation in Proteins". PLOS Computational Biology. 8 (3): e1002445.). T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 11:12, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    We provide the majority of our article quality templates because something needs fixing, not because some external review has been performed on the template. Those that we provide because of article review are the GA/FA icons, which are unobtrusive and not intended to appear as article content. Templates like Citizendium are provided so that we can meet the terms of the copyleft licenses used on Wikipedia (though they are not strictly necessary). --Izno (talk) 14:34, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps something closer to the Gene#Main_textbook indication of the main source for an article would be relevant. T.Shafee(Evo&Evo)talk 03:50, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This one looks and feels like it should be a part of the {{article history}} series of templates (old AFD multi, etc.), rather than something placed on the main page (which makes it look like advertising on the one hand while looking like we aren't certain of our non-reliability on the other). I would suggest moving to the talk page. It certainly shouldn't be in the references section regardless, since it is not a reference. --Izno (talk) 14:34, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Whether in main space or talk page, having these templates makes it easy find, track, and immediately understand the different ways in which quality academic-reviewed content has been added to Wikipedia via various Wikipedia institutional partnerships, initiatives, and publication models. The template has the added value of building trust in the quality of the content if kept in the main space. If the issue is with its size, why not propose suggestions on improving the template on the template talk page instead of deleting it? Gtsulab (talk) 16:30, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, but it should be used only on talk pages, not within articles themselves. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:22, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, on talk pages it is surely no bother to anybody, and indeed helpful. It is a valuable indicator of article quality, given the formal peer review that is involved. Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:29, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for the time being, and do not relegate to talk pages, for the same reasons as the previous template. Sylvain Ribault (talk) 16:03, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Encouraging academic editors is a priority that I think strongly benefits Wikipedia. This template can furthermore can benefit the reader as a quality indication. While this duplicates our GA and FA system, some readers may trust a peer review process more or less than our system. Many readers are looking for something able to be cited. Daask (talk) 20:48, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, but put it on the talk page. May be good to integrate it with the GA/FA system? Steven Fruitsmaak (Reply) 18:15, 12 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Current sports transaction

Too specific. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:54, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:DabprimaryExpand

Why create a new page just so you can move the disambiguation page that used to be there to "{{PAGENAME}} (disambiguation)"? Also, this template is bigger than the AFD tag. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:53, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WWFinuse

Too specific. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:47, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WPJournalsCotW-Article

Remnant of the time when almost every Wikiproject had a COTW. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:47, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Width

Yet another obvious driveby tag; most Wikipedians would just BOLDly reduce the width of whatever object was too wide. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:46, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WH-transwiki-from

Too specific. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:45, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WH-transwiki-to

Too specific. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:45, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:WA botmark

Remnant of a pre-draftspace process. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:44, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Vital construction

Part of something that appears to have died on arrival. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:43, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:USRD-wrongdir

Too specific; use the "reason" parameter of the generic "cleanup" template. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:43, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Unreferenced small

Redundant. I believe that one user got banned in 2006 for making similar "small" versions of the "classic" message-box templates (cleanup, pov, etc.) Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:42, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Unlinked references

Not everything can be linked to. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Units attention

Imperial is not used on Wikipedia; having an "add imperial" template is useless. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:40, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep: the template is not "add imperial" but "add something other than SI": See WP:MOSNUM, specifically WP:UNIT:
"In non-scientific articles relating to the United States, the primary units are US customary, e.g. 97 pounds (44 kg)."
"In non-scientific articles relating to the United Kingdom, the primary units for most quantities are metric or other internationally used units, except that:
UK engineering-related articles, including those on bridges and tunnels, generally use the system of units that the topic was drawn up in (but road distances are given in imperial units, with a metric conversion – see next bullet);
the primary units for distance/​length, speed and fuel consumption are miles, miles per hour, and miles per imperial gallon (except for short distances or lengths, where miles are too large for practical use);
the primary units for personal height and weight are feet​/inches and stones/​pounds;"
and so on. This template is useful, and nominating it for deletion is frivolous or cafeless and wastes other editors' time. PamD 08:09, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep It is a major mistake to think that Imperial is not used on Wikipedia. Both Imperial and Customary are used. We also use other systems, and not just SI, particularly traditional area measurements.
    Just as importantly this template may be asking for SI units to be added.
    All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:07, 10 April 2018 (UTC).[reply]
  • Delete Not using the unit system you prefer isn't a sufficient flaw in an article to merit being marred by a cleanup template. Daask (talk) 21:08, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:TrainingPage

We have 2+ sandboxes and two whole wikis for testing. Why do we need this template? Saying it was "just training" is not a valid "get-out-of-speedy-deletion-free" card. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:38, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Time references needed

Why is this template needed? Almost all articles use non-audiovisual sources. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:37, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • This template feels fine but I would rather see the inline template used and endorsed for use, since I would agree that most pages probably don't need a full banner to request users enhance their references given that there are few-enough audio-visual references. --Izno (talk) 14:14, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Table section

Useless spinoff of "expand section" template; doesn't the "list to table" template have a section parameter? Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:35, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Substituted template

This is now useless, as we have the "unsubst" module. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:34, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sports venue to be demolished

Too specific. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:33, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Sources exist

This is an almost-useless template; why not insert the sources yourself? Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:32, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Obviously useful to record that there is an assertion that sources do exist and should be inserted. --Doncram (talk) 02:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (template's creator). The template is used during reviewing to indicate to others that sources were found that demonstrate notability. A reviewer (whether AfC or NPP?NPR) is not required to add sources that are found, but notability depends on sources that WP:NEXIST. Contrary to the nom's assertion, adding the sources would often require adding content to the article as well (i.e. how can you cite a source if the facts for which it could be cited are not yet present in the article?). The template gives a handy way for reviewers to indicate to others that the subject was found to be notable during a source search during review, which helps reduce replicated work and disuades users that might otherwise nominate the article for deletion based on a lack of sources currently in the article (something that they shouldn't do per WP:BEFORE, but which commonly happens, also there is no guarantee that every other person that does a source search finds the same sources you did). As you can see there are a lot of reasons why a reviewer might use this template, and it helps reduce the workload on reviewers while also allowing them to pass on information about the source search that they did. It is currently only transcluded on 25 pages because it is not one of the maintenance templates in the page curation tools (which we cannot update, it has to be done by the WMF), and I haven't started a discussion to get it added to the twinkle tagging tool yet. — Insertcleverphrasehere (or here) 04:20, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Valuable for educators reviewing student edits and encouraging students to improve their contributions. Gtsulab (talk) 17:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:SIA-Conversion-Expand

Set-index articles are very rare, and disambigs are almost never converted to set-indexes. Therefore, this template is a solution looking for a problem. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:31, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

    • Keep. It is a maintenance-type / cleanup-type tag, used for a while in the past to mark disambiguation pages that should probably be converted to SIA pages. It was/can be useful for disambiguation-focused editors racing through the monthly disambiguation challenge to mark dabs for further thought. Sure, SIA pages are relatively rare, so what? It would be fine for a cleanup category to be entirely empty, we still keep such things. --Doncram (talk) 02:35, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Specifically, currently suggested are:
It is a decent suggestion for each of those, that the topics should be converted to Set Index Articles. --Doncram (talk) 02:40, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Self-reference

Useless, as most self-references are BOLDly removed. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:30, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. Obviously helpful for more polite editing, i.e. a more courteous rather than bold/bullying/mean editor can tag the page, so as to educate/advocate about thought-to-be-appropriate change. If you want to be a bull in a china shop, just go through all editing templates and mark them for deletion. Then participate in edit wars wherever miscommunications ensue. --Doncram (talk) 02:44, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Helpful for cautious editors who would rather have a second eye/editor verify that something is a self-reference rather than boldly deleting content. If we want to encourage everyone to participate in Wikipedia, its helpful NOT to discourage people who are still learning. Gtsulab (talk) 17:33, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Rank order

Too specific. Just be bold and remove the numbers yourself. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:29, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. The template links to an alternative method, row numbers, in Help:Sorting. See examples: Category:Article with table with fixed row numbers. I clarified the template a bit just now. It hadn't been updated in awhile. Removing the rank numbers might be too bold. People don't realize that there is an alternative that works better, and does the same thing (row numbers). They get pissed when the rank numbers are removed, and not replaced with the alternative (row numbers). And that takes some work. The template serves a purpose in remembering some tables to go back to someday, and hopefully someone will work on them. It also helps developers see the need for their patch that they sometimes work on, but haven't finished due to problems. See: phab:T42618. It supercedes phab:T42634. The "what links here" for that template is used by developers to see the need. As is: Category:Tables that may need a separate rank column. That category is filled in by this template. So please do not delete this template. The specific section in Help:Sorting is: Help:Sorting#Auto-ranking or adding a row numbering column (1,2,3) next to a table. That section title may change, so you may need to look around for it. Many tables are not updated due to the rank order that is changed when a single number in the table is updated. People do not want to have to rewrite all the rank order numbers. So they just leave the table alone, and rarely update it. Others just go ahead and update a few table numbers, and ignore the rank numbers. So the table ends up being completely out of whack. Row numbers solve the problem. There are thousands of tables that this template could be placed on. --Timeshifter (talk) 15:26, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Plot notice

Essentially the same as that deleted "spoiler" template. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:28, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Link to the TfD for the 'spoiler' template, please? For what it's worth, the purpose of this template was to encourage editors to spend time on other parts of the article because the plot is constantly getting rewritten (since there are so many ways to describe the film). It's a waste of time to do a rewrite when the next day (or even hour) someone else rewrites your work. Erik (talk | contrib) (ping me) 02:44, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep Keep: I'm not seeing a clear reason to delete this right now, and it seems fairly clear to me that this could have occasions to be useful. May revise that opinion once the link Erik requested is available for review. DonIago (talk) 14:43, 10 April 2018 (UTC) After noting that the nominating editor has set up TfDs almost to the point of being tendentious about it (they were warned on their Talk page), I'm forced to conclude that they're not giving as much thought to this process as they should, and am upgrading my vote accordingly. DonIago (talk) 13:50, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Erik. Daask (talk) 22:00, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Plot hook

Too specific Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Patronymic

Too specific. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:26, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Open draft

States the obvious about Wikipedia. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:26, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ODM-List-Awarding-Country

Should be unboxed then substed. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:25, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:ODM-List-Country

Should be unboxed then substed. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:24, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:NovelsWikiProject Collaboration

Really old template. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:24, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Nothaweng

Too specific. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:23, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As creator of this template, I am ambivalent of its retention or deletion. As it is, it is only linked from 13 pages, including this one. It seems the template's goal—the more complete inclusion of Hawaiian term diacritics in articles that mention them—is already better tackled by other means. I originally meant well with this template, but its underlying message was basically: "This page lacks the right markings, but I either don't know all of them or I don't want to take the time to add them, so I'm kicking this can down the road for another editor to notice." Problem is, editors only notice by noticing, and only edit by taking the time to edit, and not just by being asked to notice and edit if they don't already have a good understanding and references pertaining to the subject matter. - Gilgamesh (talk) 08:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
YOu could notify WP Hawaii All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 13:35, 10 April 2018 (UTC).[reply]

Template:Noleak

The ultimate drive-by tag. This stuff can be easily removed. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:22, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:No political diagram

Too specific. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:21, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:No orbit for payload

Too specific. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:21, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep What do you mean "too specific"? What template would you recommend be used to tag this missing piece of information? Is there a policy or guideline that says "templates should not be too specific"? The deletion criteria says only that templates should not be "redundant or otherwise useless". That's notthe case here. This tag also fills the useful function of adding articles to Category:Articles missing payload orbit parameters. (Template creator) JustinTime55 (talk) 13:54, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Not my area of expertise, but seems to be requesting important information users are likely to be interested in and editors are likely to find if prompted. Daask (talk) 21:19, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Music-examples

Too specific. Also copy-pasted from {{cleanup}}. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:20, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Listmaybe

Redundant to "current event" template. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:18, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Jagged 85 cleanup

Overspecific template. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Invalid references

Vague template. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Improve Olympic Sailing Article

Overspecific template. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:16, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Footballer-unknown-status

Overspecific cleanup template. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:14, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The template had been forgotten by Wikipedia:Football member and it seem no new article was tagged in recent years. Matthew_hk tc 09:53, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 10:01, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Format

Vague template, redundant to "copyedit". Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:13, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Election results missing

Overspecific cleanup template. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:12, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. WTF, overspecific? While for Template:Format the deletion nominator's reasoning is "vague". What, you want it to be just exactly calibrated to be in the middle of what you expect to be commonly needed. Silly. --Doncram (talk) 02:47, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:AthAbbr needed

Overspecific cleanup template. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:09, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Firstly, specificity for cleanup tags is good - nothing worse than a generic tag that will just sit at the top of a page forever because no-one has a clue what to do with it. Secondly, this tag is deliberately specific to attract people who know what they are doing with AthAbbr to fix the issues. JDWFC (talk) 10:48, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Points editors to a useful template they may not be familiar with, and can encourage editors to take easy steps to significantly improve articles for users. Daask (talk) 21:21, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Chart dates

Overly-specific cleanup template. Lojbanist remove cattle from stage 02:09, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ "Gene Wiki Reviews—Raising the quality and accessibility of information about the human genome". Gene. 592 (2): 235–238. 2016-11-05. doi:10.1016/j.gene.2016.04.053. ISSN 0378-1119.
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