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May 15

User Account

Does other wikimedia projects provide user account and if so can we use the wikipedia's user account for other projects like wikiquote,etc....? thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uday0110 (talk • contribs) 01:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

See Help:Unified login. This is currently only available for admins. --— Gadget850 (Ed)talk 01:58, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Or for a link that actually works, m:Help:Unified login. Mr.Z-man 02:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Restoring Text From My Deleted Page

Hi, I was wondering how I can get the text from the deleted page PRowl Public Relations back? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessicalawlor (talk • contribs) 06:50, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Please post the link -- was the entire page deleted by an administrator, or was just some of the content? Tiggerjay (talk) 06:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Apparently PRowl Public Relations. —teb728 t c 08:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, it didn't work for me the first time... :)

Jessica, you need to contact an admin to help you, I'd start with the admin who deleted the article, User:NawlinWiki and post a message on their talk page for assistance. Tiggerjay (talk) 09:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Note that admins will only give you the text, not fully restore the article. If you are just planning to recreate the article with the same text, I suggest improving the text before recreation of the article. Regards, Ryan Cross (talk) 03:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Upload an image without giving up the rights?

I have an image I own the copyright to and I want to upload it to a WikiBooks tutorial I am making. I believe people following the tutorial would find the pic very useful. Unfortunately it seems that I must abandon the rights to any image I upload, but the pic is original artwork and I do not wish to do this. Furthermore I cannot link to the image externally either. What do you advise? Is there a license that suits my needs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.57.65.217 (talk) 07:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, there is no license available within the parameters you specified above. Tiggerjay (talk) 08:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

(ec) If you do not wish to give up all rights, consider a Creative Commons license, whereby you can choose to allow commercial use but only with attribution and/or share alike (not allowed to be edited). weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 08:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

No weburiedoursecrets, there are only two CC licences accepted - CC-BY and CC-BY-SA. The no derivatives and non commercial licences are not considered to be free and can't be used unless there is no hope of a replacement. If 208.57.65.217 made the image himself, it seems very unlikely that no one else could, so in all likelihood it would not be allowed. That being said, this is the wikipedia helpdesk, not wikibooks, and having never looked at that project before I'm not too sure about what they allow. I suggest asking at their help desk. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles.--Ryan Cross (talk) 04:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Changes are not visible

Good Morning,

I am trtying to make changes to the page for my hometown Thonon, but I am unable to add links, i click on edit the page, then I save, but changes are not accepted...

Thanks for your help —Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexandre74200 (talk • contribs) 07:52, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps a little more detail would help. I don't see any edits by you, so you are correct that they are not being accepted, but are you receiving and error? What do you see when you click save?Tiggerjay (talk) 08:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

If it comes up with a padlock and mentions the database, it's a perfectly normal lockdown to let the servers catch up with the workload. Hitting the 'back' button fixes it. Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles....... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 11:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean Thonon-les-Bains? It would appear that your change did take. See the page's history. Best, --Bfigura ^(talk) 15:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

That’s assuming the new User:Alexandre74200 is the same as User:Alexandre76. —teb728 t c 23:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Questions

Hi from a friend in need ... but not financial, I need a number of people to help me. The number of people I need for this project equals (one to infinity) persons (a lot, I know but stick with me here (my project is honorable from the word of a dog (a best friend) but ;-) also a god (if you are full of yourself). The people I need help from can land anywhere on the spectrum(s) between black:white, old:young, fat:skinny, short:tall, gay:straight, crippled:abled, etc that are skilled at using the tools within a BIG project on Wikipedia. I have to admit, I am completely ignorant of the many other magnanimous languages flowering daily on and around our planet earth funny "The Garden of Eden" image comes to my mind when I stretch it." I need expert translators that are fluent in at least 2 of the many languages of the world. As we assemble and build the central core copy of the project in English we will also build copies of the core in every language on earth for sharing 100% of the knowledge we find in the puzzle:riddle of the BIG Pig (I liked "the Big Dig" but that was used already.) We will build the Big Pig slowly in our minds from scratch or ground zero. We've got to go slow enough and make it easily understood by the the meekest members of all our societies. Like it or not we are their Guardian Angels if we fail them we all fail. Don't worry to much about mistakes in the project, the right help is out there somewhere, to keep us moving in the right direction. Getting started might be slow with me as green at Wikipedia as a new born baby but we have the tools in our heads (the most powerful computers on earth - D.A.R.Y.L movie) to master any problem so you all will need to be my teacher(s) and mentor(s)simultaneously. The title of the BIG Pig Project is: " Hi i posted a question on the humanities board either two or three days ago (not quite sure) and now when i look to see if anyone has replied to my question its not even there. What can I do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.163.120 (talk) 08:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a prior edit by your IP address, so I'll need some help tracking this down. Can you provide the link to the board you are going to, plus something descriptive about your question so I can search for it. Many places archive their posts periodically, so it may simply be sitting in an archive somewhere. Tiggerjay (talk) 08:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Certainly - I am looking for answers for my question on the humanities board: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities

My question is a history question regarding the Hanoverian succession in 1714. It was posted in the last 2-3 days. Thanks for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.10.93.241 (talk) 13:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't find any sign of such a question. It might help if you can remember the exact title you gave it. To avoid this sort of thing in future, you might want to create an account. This will also prevent my knowing you get your broadband from carphone warehouse, if you care about that kind of thing. Algebraist 14:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

The only thing even remotely related to that is WP:Reference desk/Humanities#British Naval power in the eighteenth century. -- Kesh (talk) 14:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

If you did actually type the word "Hanoverian" somewhere in the Wikipedia: namespace within the last few days, then in a few more days it should appear in these Google search results:

• Search Wikipedia's Wikipedia: namespace for: Hanoverian

Google takes a few days to index Wikipedia's most recent changes. Another possibility is that you edited some page on Wikipedia, and someone deleted your edit either accidentally or maliciously. In that case your edit would still be in the page history (unless the entire page got deleted). Notice that in the two times you have posted here, you posted under two different IP addresses. You probably access the Internet through some mechanism that causes your IP address to change, making it very difficult for you to track your contributions. You should create an account as Algebraist recommends, if you want to keep track of what you do on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 17:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help guys and I think I'm as stuck as you as to where my question went. Unfortunately I cannot remember the exact title of the question but the word 'Hanoverian' is definately in the article somewhere along with a question about Louis XIV and how France contributed to the Hanoverian succession. I will try a google search for it.

By the way, I did create an account but it got blocked basically as soon as I made it even though I hadn't even edited an article or done anything malicious so I can't be bothered to make another.
And just for the record Algebraist my ISP is not Carphone Warehouse! Thanks anyway guys!

Hi. Sometimes if you are viewing the reference desk while logged out, your computer will display the information from a few days ago. Alternatively, it may have already been archived. If you are logged out, you can try going to "history", and clicking the latest diff (cur), and if it's been archived, you can go to the reference desk archives and find it from there. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 16:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi i posted a question on the humanities board either two or three days ago (not quite sure) and now when i look to see if anyone has replied to my question its not even there. What can I do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.18.163.120 (talk) 08:17, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't see a prior edit by your IP address, so I'll need some help tracking this down. Can you provide the link to the board you are going to, plus something descriptive about your question so I can search for it. Many places archive their posts periodically, so it may simply be sitting in an archive somewhere. Tiggerjay (talk) 08:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Certainly - I am looking for answers for my question on the humanities board: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities

My question is a history question regarding the Hanoverian succession in 1714. It was posted in the last 2-3 days. Thanks for your help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.10.93.241 (talk) 13:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't find any sign of such a question. It might help if you can remember the exact title you gave it. To avoid this sort of thing in future, you might want to create an account. This will also prevent my knowing you get your broadband from carphone warehouse, if you care about that kind of thing. Algebraist 14:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

The only thing even remotely related to that is WP:Reference desk/Humanities#British Naval power in the eighteenth century. -- Kesh (talk) 14:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

If you did actually type the word "Hanoverian" somewhere in the Wikipedia: namespace within the last few days, then in a few more days it should appear in these Google search results:

• Search Wikipedia's Wikipedia: namespace for: Hanoverian

Google takes a few days to index Wikipedia's most recent changes. Another possibility is that you edited some page on Wikipedia, and someone deleted your edit either accidentally or maliciously. In that case your edit would still be in the page history (unless the entire page got deleted). Notice that in the two times you have posted here, you posted under two different IP addresses. You probably access the Internet through some mechanism that causes your IP address to change, making it very difficult for you to track your contributions. You should create an account as Algebraist recommends, if you want to keep track of what you do on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 17:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your help guys and I think I'm as stuck as you as to where my question went. Unfortunately I cannot remember the exact title of the question but the word 'Hanoverian' is definately in the article somewhere along with a question about Louis XIV and how France contributed to the Hanoverian succession. I will try a google search for it.

By the way, I did create an account but it got blocked basically as soon as I made it even though I hadn't even edited an article or done anything malicious so I can't be bothered to make another.
And just for the record Algebraist my ISP is not Carphone Warehouse! Thanks anyway guys!

Hi. Sometimes if you are viewing the reference desk while logged out, your computer will display the information from a few days ago. Alternatively, it may have already been archived. If you are logged out, you can try going to "history", and clicking the latest diff (cur), and if it's been archived, you can go to the reference desk archives and find it from there. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 16:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Tuition centres/ home tutors in S'pore

Are there any good home tutors/ tuition centres in Singapore for Chemistry and Biology that anyone can recommend? Help really needed! Thanks alot!

Greeting - thank you for posting to the help desk, however the purpose of this help desk is to help users with how to use wikipedia, not to perform other sorts of research for you. Tiggerjay (talk) 08:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Tiggerjay (talk) 09:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles.--Ryan Cross (talk) 03:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Yarn

How Trilobal Polyester Filament Yarn is made —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.198.177.33 (talk) 10:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Miscellaneous reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps.

Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles. -mattbuck (Talk) 10:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Pls help sort my signature

Milkfloat

<b>[[User:MilkFloat|<font color="blue">Milk</font>]][[User talk:MilkFloat|<font color="green">Float</font>]]</b> (talk) 11:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Please check that "use raw signature" is ticked. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 11:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Once you check the "raw signature" check box, your signature should be back to normal. Thanks, Ryan Cross (talk) 03:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I want to find which administrator deleted my page

I almost went to his page but when I tried later I could not find it... The page was called 'Baba Sehgal' (without quotes) This was about a singer. I remember seeing somewhere that the page was deleted on 4th April 2008. How do I find and contact the administrator.. I believe I have to add a section on his talk page... Please help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Charles.2345 (talk • contribs) 02:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The deletion log for Baba Sehgal says it was deleted by Tone because of "G12: Blatant copyright infringement". --grawity 14:41, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

What are the main differences between a Stub and an Article-How do I create a Stub?

I would like to create a stub in a standard authoring environment and can't find out how. Is a stub just a short article?

~~Necroscope22~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Necroscope22 (talk • contribs) 12:07, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes a stub is an article of only a few sentences which is too short to provide encyclopedic coverage of a subject, but not so short as to provide no useful information. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for more information on this. Note that it is always better to create a more substantial article. In any event, for information on article creation, please see Wikipedia:Your first article. Be sure to add references to the article verifying the information it contains. It's best to do so using inline citations. Please note also our notability requirements for subjects of articles. By the way, please sign posts on discussion pages such as this one by typing four tildes (~~~~) at the end which automatically formats to your signature when you save. You can also place this markup automatically by clicking on the editing button which looks like this: . Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:22, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

To summarise: A stub is an article - but a short one. And to create one: Please see Your first article.

1. Make sure the subject is notable enough to have their own article.
2. Find references
3. Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box to the left (←) and clicking 'Search'
4. Type the page name in the search box to the left (←) and click 'Go'
5. Click 'Create this page'
6. Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout
7. Be aware that Wikipedia deletes thousands of new articles for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are at extra risk of deletion, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones....... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 16:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

MY QUESTION

CAN WE SAVE DATA FROM THIS SITE? IF YES THEN HOW?Captain deepak (talk) 12:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

SORRY, WHAT? =P, but seriously, no shouting. weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 13:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure you can. I suggest copy and paste into notepad. -mattbuck (Talk) 13:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Just be aware with the dynamic nature of a wiki, the content you copy today may be radically different tomorrow or another day in the future. :) Also, if you are trying reference a particular article and want to ensure a point-in-time look, be sure to copy the url for a revision, instead of the main article, that way, when you cross reference later you'll see what you saw today. If that makes sense. Tiggerjay (talk) 14:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

You may also download the database. See WP:DUMP for more information. Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 15:45, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

See also Help:Export -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 16:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

You might also find something useful under WP:EIW#Query and WP:EIW#Mirror. --Teratornis (talk) 21:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

You can download the whole of Wikipedia as HTML files if you like - see [1]. --saxsux (talk) 10:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Also, if you want to save a permanent link from this site, so that you get a non-changing version, go to the page and click "permanent link" in the toolbox at left. However, if an article is deleted, then you will not be able to access the permanent link unless you are an administrator. Hope this helps. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 16:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

For future notice, capitalizing all letters in words considered shouting. --Ryan Cross (talk ♠ Review) 23:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Categorys?

Can you add categorys to your userpage?Like ones that don't have anything to do with your page but you want them there so you can have a quick reference to them for when you need them? Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}Userboxes 15:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Sure. Just be sure to include a ':' in front of the CAT:FOO, like CAT:FOO, so that it doesn't categorize your page. (Labeling the section to indicate that it's a reference might not be bad so that others aren't confused. Best, --Bfigura ^(talk) 15:49, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks : ) Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}Userboxes 16:06, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

If you're doing anything with categories, you should read Help:Category. Categories tend to confuse lots of people on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 17:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Your account appears to be about a month old. If that accurately reflects how long you've been editing on Wikipedia, then you should definitely read Help:Category. I did not make much sense of categories in my first month of editing, from what I recall. I had to read the help page several times before it started to sink in. Other confusing things on Wikipedia include templates, images, and just about everything really. --Teratornis (talk) 19:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

How do I create a page for Wikipedia?

I would like to make a wikipedia page for my friends' comic book he is creating. What do I need to do? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evildead737 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Please see Your first article.

1. Make sure the subject is notable enough to have their own article.
2. Find references
3. Make sure no article on the subject exists under a different title by typing the subject into the search box to the left (←) and clicking 'Search'
4. Type the page name in the search box to the left (←) and click 'Go'
5. Click 'Create this page'
6. Create the article, including all your references, making sure you adhere to the Manual of Style and our article layout guidelines
7. Be aware that Wikipedia deletes thousands of new articles for failing to adhere to our policies and guidelines. New articles by new users are at extra risk of deletion, due to new users' unfamiliarity with our rules. Consider gaining experience by editing existing articles before attempting to create new ones. And you really need to look at WP:N, WP:V and WP:COI. It doesn't seem notable or verifiable and you almost certainly have a conflict of interest...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 16:37, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

(Edit conflict, Dendodge already took care of this, but here's my two cents.) Hello there, Evildead737. Thanks for your interest in Wikipedia - we can always use more good editors. Unfortunately, unless your friend is Todd McFarlane, his comic book probably does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for inclusion. You could create the page, but in all likelihood - unless the comic book has been the subject of significant, third party coverage, such as a review in a major magazine or newspaper - it would be deleted rather quickly. You might want to read the five pillars of Wikipedia before you go diving into editing. Let me know if you have any further questions. Thanks again for your interest! Tan | 39 16:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles. Just for future reference...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 16:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Also, make sure the article you plan to create, isn't created yet and that the article you are creating is spelled right.--Ryan Cross (talk ♠ Review) 23:01, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Internal References

Can you use internal references in an article? Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}Userboxes 16:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Do you mean self-references (ie. 'This site', to refer to Wikipedia), then no. If you mean links to the Wikipedia: namespace, i don't see a reason to. I wouldn't if I were you, but...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 16:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by "internal reference"? Perhaps an example of what you are trying to accomplish. Tiggerjay (talk) 16:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I cannot guess what you mean by "internal references" either, but if you mean "self-references," see: Wikipedia:Self-references to avoid. What references and what article do you have in mind? Please make your question specific. Wikipedia has its own complex jargon for describing these sorts of things, and using even slightly different synonyms without specific examples renders a question very difficult to understand. Another possibility is that you might refer to sources which are not available on the public World Wide Web or published on paper. See WP:RS for general guidelines on what is an acceptable source for Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 17:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I mean a link to an article within wikipedia. Is that allowed? Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}Userboxes 17:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

If I understand your question correctly, you can not use Wikipedia as a reliable source to be cited by other Wikipedia articles. See WP:SPS (a subsection of Wikipedia:Verifiability) for more information -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 17:18, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

(E/C) As a conventional wikilink, sure. But Wikipedia articles shouldn't be used as references for other Wikipedia articles. (Cite the original source, not the article). Best, --Bfigura ^(talk) 17:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

You can certainly add wikilinks from one article to another article on Wikipedia. See Wikipedia:Build the web. Wikilinks on their own do not count as reliable sources for claims which someone might challenge. Editing on Wikipedia is like playing a multi-player game in which each player tries to guess what he or she can write that nobody else will remove. We have a fantastically complicated set of rules that determine what people should remove, but not all players are fully aware of all the rules, and in some cases users choose to ignore the rules, so the game becomes "interesting." Again, if you tell us the specific articles you have in mind, we can give you usefully specific advice. Wikipedia tends to defy blanket generalizations, which is why we have the ignore all rules guideline. (Ignoring all rules tends to increase the probability that other users will remove one's edits, so one ignores all rules at one's own risk.) --Teratornis (talk) 17:28, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I didn't have an article in mind yet, I was just making sure I'm following all the rules when I do make an article.Thanks for the help. Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}Userboxes 17:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

See WP:LAYOUT for the basic article layout guidelines; you might compare some of the articles you read to those guidelines, to make sure the articles comply. Fixing articles that need fixing is a good way to learn what sorts of mistakes other editors make, so you don't make them. You appear to be on the right path; you recently created an account and you are accumulating edits on existing articles. I suggest you wait until you have more article edits before you create a new article. Take a look at the Editor's index to get an idea of how complicated all the rules are. You don't really have to know all the rules, but the more you know, the smoother your editing experience on Wikipedia will be. When you have a topic in mind for a new article, you could ask the Help desk if that topic is suitable for an article on Wikipedia. I see from your user page that you have an interest in popular music. If you are thinking about writing a new article about a band, see WP:BAND. New articles about bands tend to be a virtual killing field for deletionists on Wikipedia, since most bands that are notable enough already have articles here, and any new bands that recently became notable enough tend to get articles quickly. We probably are not overlooking many notable bands at a given time. This means that of all the bands that don't have articles here yet, only a tiny fraction are really notable enough. If your musical interests are wider than Wikipedia allows, you might see wikiindex:Category:Music for some alternative wikis that specialize in music with fewer restrictions than Wikipedia has. Also, before you create a new article, read WP:Why was my article deleted? - it's better to be aware of the risks early rather than late. Notability is kind of a strange concept on Wikipedia; there are some things which are almost sure to be notable, such as for example the bridges and dams across the Ohio River. If you wanted to start a new article about, say, the Captain Anthony Meldahl Locks and Dam (and who wouldn't?), the odds are pretty high that a halfway decent article would "stick," because any crossing of a major river like the Ohio is almost automatically notable. There are probably more people interested in writing about some obscure local band, but the dam is more "notable" since it is a major public works project. --Teratornis (talk) 19:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all of your and for the useful links.I'll try to memorize most if not all of the vast rules of Wikipedia. Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up}Userboxes 15:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

How do I use Blocking Padlocks?

How do I use the red and blue padlocks? I need to use these for my sandbox.

Bradymonty (talk) 17:32, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Only administrators can protect a page. File a request at WP:RFPP...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 17:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

The padlocks itself is just an image you can add to a page. KTC (talk) 23:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Just realize that the padlock is nothing more than just that, an image, and your page isn't really protected - it would just appear that way. Tiggerjay (talk) 01:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, why do you need the padlocks? Are you thinking of protecting a page? Well, it won't work because your not an admin. Try asking at WP:RFPP.--Ryan Cross (talk) 03:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Finding the origin of a phrase / author

Hi guys,

I'm looking for a way to automatically identify the first revision a phrase or word appears in an article, which would also identify the author of the phrase. This is for vandalism warnings and also would be useful to revert fact changes. I've searched for this on the helpdesk and google but I couldn't seem to find an answer, though it seems like a common query.

Thanks, Isaac (talk) 19:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

To my knowledge, there isn't a way to search the revision history of an article for a phrase. I think we're more or less limited to manually looking through the history to see who did what. Best, --Bfigura ^(talk) 19:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Lupin's Anti-vandal tool shows you all pages containing bad words and Twinkle, if used correctly, can show you if something was added recently, they're not exactly what you wanted, but...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 19:05, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Popups can also make searching through the history faster too. Best, --Bfigura ^(talk) 19:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

You could try wikiblame, and see WP:EIW#HistTools. --Teratornis (talk) 19:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

In addition to already-built tools like wikiblame, the MediaWiki API might allow for complex queries on article histories, but I haven't gotten anywhere with that yet, so I can't say exactly how to use it. Wikiblame tends to work pretty well, but on large articles with long edit histories the results are slow to come out. --Teratornis (talk) 19:37, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Neat tool. And about popups, it tends to save me some time since I don't have to click on each diff to see what was done. Cheers, --Bfigura ^(talk) 20:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I have Popups, but I'm not sure how they speed up the diff process unless you're looking for something at the top of the article. Wikiblame is good enough I suppose, its slow but probably as good as it gets. I checked out the WP EIW tools, AmiDaniel's tool looks useful but it won't work on my comp w/ vista for some reason, so Wikiblame it is. Isaac (talk) 20:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

The Help desk gets a number of questions about how to do complex searches involving tricky things like page histories (which unfortunately are hiding in the Deep web beyond the reach of external search engines), categories, revision date ranges, user names, and so on. I'm vaguely aware of query tools (WP:EIW#Query) but I have not spent the time to master them yet. We probably need some capability for these difficult searches among the Help desk volunteers. If I get around to figuring something out, I might summarize my findings in a new section in Wikipedia:Help desk/How to answer. Oh yeah, while I was looking at WP:EIW#Query again, I thought of another possible method you can try: export the article along with its history to XML, and then you can search it with grep or in a text editor. That might be better than Wikiblame in some cases. Once you finish downloading the XML file, then you can search it locally really fast, which would be good if you had to try different searches to guess the right keywords or regular expressions. And of course Wikiblame will not give you regular expression search. I think. --Teratornis (talk) 21:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Hindu Gods

Resolved

 – Moded to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities

Dear Wikipedia, I am a very great reader of your esteemed articles.In one of your articles regarding"THE HINDU GOD NARASIMHA(MAN-LION)AVATAR OF LORD VISHNU",you have written that after killing "THE DEMON KING HIRANYAKASHPU",Lord Narasimha is so full of rage that no one dare go near him and try to calm him till "PRAHALAD" takes the courage to do so. Whereas,in your article regarding another "HINDU GOD SHIVA",you have written that when the above event took place(ie:-NARASIMHA GETTING TERRIBLE WITH RAGE) the other HINDU GODS pleaded with LORD SHIVA to calm LORD NARASIMHA, LORD SHIVA took the avatar of A HALF-BEAST,HALF-BIRD HALF-HUMAN creature named SARABHA and fought with NARASIMHA anf ultimately calmed him.You can refer the above event under the topic of LORD SARABHARESHWAR which itself comes under the topic of SHIVA. Kindly let me know as to which of the above Two Events is correct. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.177.241.87 (talk) 20:03, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Humanities reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. And please clarify what you mean...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 20:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

I have moved this to Wikipedia:Reference desk/Humanities -- Q Chris (talk) 07:41, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

User Talk Page Archive Bots

I noticed that users have their talk pages archived automatically using bots. Mines far from full, but I'd just like to know: Is there a list of such bots? And what criteria do they use to decide when to archive; posts after a certain date, length of the page, number of posts etc? Fribbler (talk) 20:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Have a look at the bots in Category:Wikipedia archive bots. I know that MiszaBot III can be configured: see User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo. haz (talk) 20:23, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

This is mine, adapted for you:

{{User:MiszaBot/config |algo = old(5d) |archive = User talk:Fribbler/Archives/%(year)d/%(monthname)s }}

Anything 5 days old gets archived to that month's archive...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 20:27, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Aha! Thanks. Not sure I would have the volume to warrant it.... yet. Fribbler (talk) 20:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

You can change it to whatever you want, or User:MiszaBot has a list of options, that's just what I use...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 20:53, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

And each | MUST be the start of a new line for the bot to work properly...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 20:54, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Also see WP:EIW#Archive and WP:EIW#Bot. --Teratornis (talk) 21:55, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

This is what I use:

{{User:MiszaBot/config |minthreadsleft = 2 |algo = old(14d) |archive = User talk:Kesh/Archive-%(monthnameshort)s%(year)d }}

This means I always keep at least two discussions on my talk page, regardless of age; anything over 14 days gets archived; and the archives are formed as "Archive-May2008", for example. -- Kesh (talk) 22:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Awwhh! So many good responses. I bow to the help desks help-ability. I will save the relevent wikicodes into a text file for use when I need it. Special thanks to Dendodge; but that doesn't neglect the others!! Fribbler (talk) 00:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I just set my talk page up for archiving - would appreciate it if someone would please take a look to make sure I have done it correctly? Thanks. – ukexpat (talk) 01:30, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

 Done - thanks haz  – ukexpat (talk) 13:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

A person showing up in a category listed alphabetically by first name rather than last name.

I have put Marc Quinn and Hunter O'Reilly in categories that list the artists alphabetically by their first name rather than last name. How can this be corrected? Thank you. Chokusen1 (talk) 22:42, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

You need to add {{DEFAULTSORT:Lastname, Firstname}} (replaceing "Lastname" and "Firstname" with the last and first names of the subject) in the article (usually near the categories). DuncanHill (talk) 22:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

For more information: Help:Category#Sort order. --Teratornis (talk) 23:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Does wikipedia charge

DOES WIKIPEDIA CHARGE OR COST MONEY TO MAKE AND KEEP AN ACCOUNT? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.88.4 (talk) 23:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

There is no costs associated with using Wikipedia. However, you may incour costs to connect to the internet in general. Tiggerjay (talk) 23:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

See WP:ACCOUNT which says:

• You do not have to log in to read Wikipedia. You do not have to log in even to edit articles on Wikipedia — just about anyone can edit almost any article at any given time, even without logging in, and many long-time contributors do not log in. Nevertheless, creating an account is quick, free and non-intrusive, and it is generally considered a good idea to do so for a variety of reasons.

...among other things. Also see Wikipedia:About for more information. --Teratornis (talk) 05:25, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Unless you're thinking about donation, Wikipedia is absolutely free (other than Internet, electricity, and your country's taxes fees). If it does not cost any money to edit under an IP, you absolutely will not be charged more to keep an account. However, if you find yourself editing a lot, then your electricity bill may rise. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 16:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

May 16

List of Online Admins

Resolved

 – Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

If i want to get in touch with an admin ASAP what would be the best way to do this? I have previously looked at the page history of the AIV to see which admins are online and looking through recent changes but is there a faster way to see which admins are online? Thanks Roadrunnerz45 ^{(talk 2 me)} 01:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

How about Special:Log? Anyone shown as blocking a user/IP or deleting or protecting a page is an admin and active. Bencherlite^Talk 01:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

(e/c) Well, a surefire way is to look at some process that is in the offing that only admins can do. For example, if you take a look at the deletion log, the protection log or the block log, you'll immediately see admins at the top of the list who just took some action showing they were online at least at the time, just moments ago.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 01:57, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Highly Active Users was created for this purpose - you can follow the links and directions there. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 02:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes thanks, now i know what to do. The highly active is exceptionally good! Roadrunnerz45 ^{(talk 2 me)} 03:21, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

If you want assistance from any old admin, best to post at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Stifle (talk) 11:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

There seems to be a new page called WP:HAU. It shows many users, including admins who are active on a certain time. It is really useful.--Ryan Cross (talk) 03:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

It is also useful because it shows where a certain user lives and when their online. I suggest picking a place where it is daytime as that is where most users are active. Cheers.--Ryan Cross (talk) 03:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Aromatherapy

Where can I find recipes with both ginger and marjoram in them?Moravia212 (talk) 02:03, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 02:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moravia212 (talk • contribs) 02:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The Wikibooks Cookbook might have something helpful, as well (though for actual food, not aromatherapy). Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 07:04, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

deleted article

I'm pretty sure this is the right place to address this, but i spent awhile today creating an article for a major campus facility at my college, and providing information about the history of the facility, how it is run / who is in charge of it, and information about the services and events provided. (The article "Chauncey's" was about our game room of that name, housed in the student union at Rose-Hulman Institute Of Technology). I was wondering why this article was deleted so suddenly. There had been a note on the article saying it was disputed, and that if i didn't respond, it could be deleted after 5 days, but that was only about an hour ago. How can i get this information back? if not into an independent article itself, at least added to the article about the Rose-Hulman campus in general. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SidTheGayJuggalo (talk • contribs) 07:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The article in question is Chauncey's, deleted by Kafziel (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA). It was deleted because it met the speedy deletion criteria per WP:CSD#A7. The organisation did not assert importance or significance, and therefore it can be deleted more quickly than other articles. I can provide a copy in your userspace if you wish, if you want to work on it so you can assert importance backed up by non-trivial secondary sources. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 07:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I would really appreciate if you could do that for me... I've never written a wiki article before, and i started by initially puttin in the stuff that i had on the tip of my mind, and then going back to add more concrete sources and information as i edited through it.... but it just got deleted out of nowhere while i was in the middle of getting those sources (and learning how to cite them in a wiki...) when it got suddenly deleted... :-( Thanks for your help! —Preceding unsigned comment added by SidTheGayJuggalo (talk • contribs) 07:53, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, it's now here: User:SidTheGayJuggalo/Chauncey's. It's generally not a good idea to keep deleted articles hanging around in your userspace, so only continue if you are sure it can meet WP:ORG. If you wish to have it deleted at any time just let me know. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 08:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Since you are new to writing articles, see these instructions: WP:LAYOUT, WP:V, WP:RS, WP:CITE, WP:FOOT, and WP:CITET. --Teratornis (talk) 19:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Removal of a warning

Please see My Talk page, and see the problem I'm having! If anybody has a way for me to fix this, I advise, no beg you to tell me! Thankyou! ACM2:talk 09:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

What's the problem? You aren't blocked and never have been. If you want the warnings gone from your talk, just remove them. If you want the blankings gone from your contribs, I doubt that'll happen, but that's not a problem unless someone's trawling your contribs digging up dirt for some reason, in which case you just have to explain again. Algebraist 10:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I know, but can't you get in trouble for removing warnings given to you? I thought you could. ACM2:talk 10:16, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

See this guideline: "Policy does not prohibit users, including both registered and anonymous users, from removing comments from their own talk pages, although archiving is preferred. The removal of a warning is taken as evidence that the warning has been read by the user. Deleted warnings can still be found in the page history. Repeatedly replacing warnings does nothing but antagonize users, and can encourage further disruption; removal of template warnings is rarely an urgent or important matter, and it is often best to simply let the matter rest if other disruption stops." Bencherlite^Talk 10:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

What you might want to do is blank your talk page, or carry out selective blanking on the bits you don't want. Then you may wish to add a short statement on your talk page with a header such as "Blanking pages - an apology" and explain what happened. Leave it up there for a day or two, and then take it down (if you like). I would also recommend setting up password protection on your screen saver, and set it for a short period of time should you have further visits from your cousin. StephenBuxton (talk) 11:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Editing footer templates

There is footer on Psychedelic trance that needs updating. Is there a way to find out where it is so i can edit it? --neonwhite user page talk 14:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

If you mean the Trance and Psychedelic trance boxes, just click on the "e" in the top left corner of the box title bar and the edit page should open. – ukexpat (talk) 14:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Neonwhite, find the reference in question at the bottom, it should have an up arrow next to it. Click that arrow and it will take you to the point in the text where the reference is. -mattbuck (Talk) 15:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

The Trance and Psychedelic trance navigation templates at the bottom of the Psychedelic trance article are: {{Trance music-footer}} and {{psytrance}}, respectively. For general information about these kinds of templates, see: WP:EIW#Series and Wikipedia:Navigational templates. Note to mattbuck, these navigation templates are different than footnotes. --Teratornis (talk) 19:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

hearing a word

I used to be able to hear the words on there for prononceing the words is it still on this site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.100.253.94 (talk) 14:23, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes. Some articles, such as Antidisestablishmentarianism, have them. I think they only use them if an article title is hard to pronounce...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 15:39, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Usually if an article name is hard to pronounce and possibly if an articles name is too long.--Ryan Cross (talk ♠ Review) 23:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Image help

Hey there! I need some help uploading an image. The extension is GIF but I keep getting an error about common. What can I do to solve this? BTW it is an image for my userpage. I own the copyright. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Friskey finger (talk • contribs) 16:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you doing it here: Special:Upload? Gtstricky^{Talk or C} 17:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

WP:UPIMAGE should be useful to you. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 17:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Your account must be at least 4 days old to upload images to the English Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:00, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

If your error message is referring to the Wikimedia Commons, you should choose a different name, as we already have an image with that title. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:32, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Note that images with the same title/name cannot be used. Regards, Ryan Cross (talk) 04:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

what next on helping get aritcle on toni jo henry created?

i was looking for an article on a murderer by the name of Toni Jo Henry. i could not find any show article listed in the website but do not really want to take time to create one. i found a link that has the info so someone else could easily write the article but i am unsure what dept or even how to deliver this info. some advice on this would be great b/c an article on this woman whom will have movie of her life out next year in the USA will be great for many readers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.41.204.3 (talk) 19:01, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

See: WP:AFC and Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Wizard-Introduction. --Teratornis (talk) 19:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Searching Wikipedia for "toni jo henry" finds three articles that mention her, but no article about Toni Jo Henry herself yet. --Teratornis (talk) 19:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, no. WP:AFC is only for articles which have been completed by the submitting user. The members of WikiProject AFC will not write an article for you. If you do not wish to take the time to write the article yourself, a better place would be to submit your request to Requested Articles. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 01:11, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

If you do want to request, than please keep in mind that your request may take a few days and even months. It is posibble that it can take a day though. If you do not want to wait or take the risk, then I suggest creating it yourself by creating an account. But it is your choice really. Regards, Ryan Cross (talk) 18:02, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Javed Iqbal (serial killer)

Hello. I'm a new user here, don't be annoyed if I committed a mistake asking here. He's a Pakistani serial killer and I have seen a documetary where they say Iqbal was a former chemical engineer at the time of his arrest. I have also seen that it was on the article but I don't know why it was removed. My question is if I can write he was a chemical engineer if i am not a registered user. A hug friends 201.254.80.188 (talk) 21:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC).

Wikipedia:Notability documents our notability guidelines. = ) --Cameron (t|p|c) 21:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

You should be able to add that to the article (Javed Iqbal (serial killer)), as the page isn't currently protected from editing. Please do cite your sources for additions though. Best, --Bfigura ^(talk) 21:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

(E/C) Yes! Unregistered users are more than welcome to contribute to Wikipedia! In fact, some of our best contributions have come from unregistered users. To help you get started, I would recommend you look at this page: Wikipedia:Introduction. It will introduce you to how to edit properly. If you get stuck, feel free to come back here to ask more questions. You may also want to consider getting an account. One of its greatest advantages is that it makes communication much easier. Good luck! -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 21:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Be aware that on Wikipedia, what you know is not as important as what you can cite. Even if you know something to be true, that's not good enough. On Wikipedia we don't write original research. Instead we just collect facts from reliable, published sources and cite them. See WP:FOOT for instructions on how to actually cite your sources in the form of footnotes. The key to editing on Wikipedia, and getting your contributions to "stick", is to become very good at finding and citing sources. That is the most needed skill here. There is nothing in Wikipedia's software to stop you from adding unsourced information, but other editors may remove it. If you want your edits to stick, you need to understand and comply with our policies and guidelines. If you have any questions about how to cite a source, tell us the source you have in mind and we can advise you. --Teratornis (talk) 21:22, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

You make an excellent point Teratornis, as always. In looking at one of the sources of the article already, "All about Javed Iqbal" by Seamus McGraw, the article reads, in part: Javed -- a man who identified himself variously as a journalist and a social worker -- steadfastly maintained that he was not cruising for sex on his regular forays to the market square. There's no mention of "engineer" here. As I would call Mr. McGraw's article a reliable source, I would highly recommend against the change that has been proposed here. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 21:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Here is written he was a chemical engineer. Is it OK? 201.254.80.188 (talk) 22:20, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Careful. The article says that he "claimed to be a chemical engineer". That's different than actually being one. It seems as if he claimed to be a lot of things. More to the point, I would call the Independent a reliable source and worthy of a citation. However, be sure to say that Javed only claimed to be an engineer, rather than asserting that he actually was one. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 22:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyright question about images produced by hospital

I recently has an ultrasound done at a public hospital; is the image I received mine to do with as I wish, can I upload it into the public domain? Iwak (talk) 21:06, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Copyright for our guideline page. But I am pretty sure the ultrasound is yours to do with as you wish. = ) --Cameron (t|p|c) 21:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Actually, not necessarily. HIPAA (in the US) provides patients with rights over their medical records, but not necessarily ownership. In some cases, they remain owned by the health care provider (see Columbia's policy on this for one example to the contrary). --Bfigura ^(talk) 21:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

I looked over that guideline but it does not answer my question. The doctor who sent me the images (not the one that produced them however) said something about me using them on "myspace or whatever" but I am not sure how much he actually was thinking about copyright status. Iwak (talk) 21:23, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Well, in that case, unless the image has anything to suggest that it remains the property of the health care provider, I think you'd be okay with publishing it under the public domain. To be certain, you'd probably have to check with the place that made the recording :-\ --Bfigura ^(talk) 21:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok, it is done (image:Spermatocele.JPG). Thanks for your time. Iwak (talk) 22:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

wikitable at List of Nobel Laureates affiliated with the University of Chicago

Resolved

I am having problems with a wikitable at List of Nobel Laureates affiliated with the University of Chicago.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 21:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

 Fixed You had a carriage return before the second "University of Chicago". I replaced that CR with a <br /> and all is well. On a side note, you might want to trim some of the information in that table. It is a little bit unwieldy at the moment. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 22:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 00:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Dorchester Hotel

Resolved

On page Dorchester Hotel there is coordinates in the top right but these are completely wrong. I went into edit to get rid of them and there is no coordinates in there. How do i get rid of them? MELVARDER (talk) 22:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

We'd prefer you edit them so they are correct rather than taking them out - but the template you'd need to modify is at the bottom of the page, under the "External links" section. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 22:31, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

(E/C) The coordinates are actually at the bottom of the page in a template. Specifically, its this template: {{Coor title dms|51|30|26|N|0|9|9|E|type:landmark_region:GB}} -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 22:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

{{Coor title dms|51|30|26|N|0|9|9|E|type:landmark_region:GB}} is the line...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 22:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

 Fixed Actually, the coords weren't that far off. Instead of 9' 9" E, it should have been 9' 9" W. All fixed now. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 22:41, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

enochian magic

Resolved

been studying enochian magic for 1 year need help with ?'s involving spiritualist. need reccomendations on sites where i can speak with someone, any suggestions?209.247.21.181 (talk) 23:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Wikipedia:Reference desk. They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps....... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 23:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

May 17

adding to bibliography

there is a subject that i've been enjoying reading about on wikipedia. i thoroughly looked through your bibliography for additional references on the subject and i could not find a certain source that i've read previously in the national geographic magazine. how do i go about submitting this info to wikipedia? thanks, tom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geronimofoxen (talk • contribs) 00:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

First of all, thank you for wanting to help contribute to Wikipedia. National Geographic Magazine is an excellent source for citations in Wikipedia. To start, look at Wikipedia:Introduction to familiarize yourself with how Wikipedia works. Second, please take a look at our page on how to cite sources. Lastly, take a peek at the {{Cite_journal}} template. This template most closely matches the one that you will likely be using for your citations. Good luck! -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 01:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

If you would like an exact answer, please state an exact question. What is the title of the article about the "subject that (you've) been enjoying reading about"? What is the "certain source that (you've) read previously in the National Geographic Magazine"? (Ask a riddle, and at best get a riddle.) If you provide those simple and obvious bits of information, we can tell you exactly how to cite that specific source. On the other hand, if you prefer to plow through our pages of mind-numbing instructions and figure it out for yourself, that's actually better, because Wikipedia is a do it yourself project, and we need all participants to be as self-reliant as possible. (And boy, do we have the incredibly complete instructions to make this possible.) But I think most people grasp the instructions faster if they see a concrete example of how to solve a problem that they find personally relevant. For example, your question motivated me to look again at the outstanding National Geographic site, and I noticed the June 2008 online edition features an article about Peak oil, probably containing some information we can add to our article on the subject, so I'm looking into it. When I need to cite the article, I will use the handy WPCITE extension for Mozilla Firefox which I learned about by seeing the entries under: WP:EIW#Citetools. WPCITE generates, with a click, the wikitext code one needs to transclude the {{Cite web}} template for a source; in this case, the raw code from WPCITE looks like:

<ref>
{{cite web
|url=http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/06/world-oil/roberts-text
|title=World Oil - National Geographic Magazine
|publisher=ngm.nationalgeographic.com
|accessdate=2008-05-17
|last=
|first=
}}
</ref>

I hand-edited the code slightly, adding some information that WPCITE was not clever enough to add on its own, to get this version which I will be able to insert into the Peak oil article as a footnote:

<ref name="ngm_world_oil">
{{cite web
|url=http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2008/06/world-oil/roberts-text
|title=Tapped Out
|publisher=[[National Geographic Magazine]]
|accessdate=2008-05-17
|last=Roberts
|first=Paul 
|year=2008
|month=June
}}
</ref>

As you can see, I added a name field to the <ref> tag; I edited the title field; I turned the publisher field into a wikilink to our article for the periodical; and I added the author's name and year and month fields (the article does not list an exact day for a publication date). The resulting citation will look like this:

• Roberts, Paul (2008). "Tapped Out". National Geographic Magazine. Retrieved 2008-05-17. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |month= ignored (help)

That's the exact method I use to create a citation for an online source; there are a variety of other methods, so you can find the method that works for you. The straightforward but hard way is to hand-edit the approprate citation template from scratch, but compared to using a citation tool that's kind of like hitting one's head with a hammer. After I hit my head with that hammer a few dozen times, I decided to look at the citation tools more carefully. --Teratornis (talk) 14:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia roles

What are some of the different roles people can have on wikipedia other than an admin and how do you apply for them? --Npnunda (talk) 03:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You can just be a plain editor; all of the other things don't offer to much else. The only one a non-sysop really has a shot at getting is rollback, but you can just use Twinkle to do that. Other ones include bureaucratship and checkuser. Paragon12321 (talk) 03:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

There is a page about this: Wikipedia:User access levels. It is quite detailed as to their functions. In the most commonly mentioned ones though are auto-confirmed users (automatically given after 4 days), rollbackers (request for rollback), admins (requests for adminship), bureaucrats (requests for bureaucratship), checkusers (assigned by the arbitration comittee) and oversight-ers (also assigned by the arbitration comittee). You can read up what each of them can do on the user access levels page. Hope it helps! James086^{Talk | Email} 05:45, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

One role I recommend is to be a Help desk volunteer (or a volunteer on one of our other question pages). This is not an "official" role that involves any increase in user privileges or need for approval; you don't even need an account to answer questions on the Help desk, although virtually all Help desk volunteers do have accounts. All you need is to be bold. Answering questions on the Help desk, and studying the answers that other volunteers provide (especially any corrections to your wrong answers - the surest way to remember a lesson is to foul up in public), will give you an extremely broad understanding of how Wikipedia works, and how to look up answers to almost every question that comes up in the course of editing articles on Wikipedia. The Help desk needs lots of volunteers, because we get questions around the clock, and many hands make light work. For more information, see Wikipedia:Help desk/How to answer. Even though technical support is often one of the least popular aspects of the computer industry, for both vendors and customers, on Wikipedia our technical support works better than any commercial tech support service I've seen (and I've seen my share). Wikipedia has managed to make tech support so much fun that people will do it for free (anyone who has worked in a commercial tech support shop will grasp the immensity of this miracle). It's well worth volunteering on the Help desk just to learn about Wikipedia's ingenious tools and social organization for providing support - and maybe you can add your own bit of genius to further improve the tools. If you have any interest in computing either as a user or from working in the field, you will not regret any time you spend learning how Wikipedia does support. (Sorry for getting on the soapbox, but this is all true.) --Teratornis (talk) 14:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Somewhere else where help is always appreciated is deletion discussions - anyone can take part with these. This will be of particular interest to anyone who likes doing a bit of detective work in seraching for sources to justify the articles inclusion, or maybe finding a lack of them to justify the article's deletion. Rather a simplistic outlook, but should give you a good indication if this is for you. Before you do take part in any, please familiarise yourself with WP:NOTABILITY. If you want to do that, and wish to know more about it, feel free to ask here, or drop me a note on my talk page. StephenBuxton (talk) 15:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I should point out User:Steve Crossin/Adoption/Permissions. It tells pretty much all the roles and how to apply.RyRy5 (talk) 19:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Finding WP pages

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There are lots of WP pages but I never can seem to find them, except for the ones that I already know. I mean pages such as WP:vand, WP:welcome. At this point I'm looking for something about friendliness, which I think exists somewhere, but I don't know the exact name. Where can I find some kind of overview over WP pages?? Lova Falk (talk) 12:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Try the list at Wikipedia:Index. haz (talk) 12:15, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I think the exact page you're looking for is either WP:CIVIL or WP:BITE. -mattbuck (Talk) 12:41, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Go to Special:AllPages. SimsFan^{Talk to Me • Sign Here and Get a Thank You Award} 12:56, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You seem to be asking about Wikipedia's project-related pages (i.e., our internal instruction documents) rather than our articles. A topically organized list of our project-related pages is the Editor's index to Wikipedia. You might also see our list of shortcuts. --Teratornis (talk) 14:30, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you all of you! The exact page I was looking for was WP:KIND. Lova Falk (talk) 15:40, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Userboxes

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I have a userbox page on Uncyclopedia which is [2]. I've transcluded this page onto my Uncyclopedia page, but can I transclude it onto my Wikipedia Userpage. I prefer those userboxes and it would be cool if I could! Osama bin dipesh (talk) 13:00, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, you can't transclude templates from different wikis. If you want to use the userbox code on your Wikipedia user page, you'll need to copy and paste the code from the template page for each userbox. haz (talk) 13:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You can actually recreate the ubx to that wiki. But I don't think you can use the image though.--Ryan Cross (talk ♠ Review) 22:54, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Uncyclopedia is not affiliated with the Wikimedia Foundation. It is run by Wikia, a for-profit company owned by Jimbo, Chair Emeritus/Godking of the Foundation. Confused yet? Paragon12321 (talk) 05:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Damn Osama bin dipesh (talk) 12:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

User

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There is one user that seems to keep vandlaising the article on Nature. Is there a way that anyone cxan stop that user from continuing to do so. JoeC 4321 (talk) 15:17, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You can bring vandalism to the attention of the administrators (who can block the user concerned, if appropriate) at this page. _GB^T/C 15:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Just went to that page and it looke like someone already had. Thanks for your help. JoeC 4321 (talk) 15:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Why can't a page be edited?

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I am curious about why there are no edit links on this page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism ), either at the top or within the content. Can you please explain why this page cannot be edited? Thank you. Encheiridion (talk) 15:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)E.

I didn;t see any problem with editing but I know basically nothing about Wikipedia so you will have to have another user explain your problem JoeC 4321 (talk) 15:22, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Looks absolutely fine to me - there's the usual buttons at the very top, and each section has its own edit link... _GB^T/C 15:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I just saw a message saying Note: This page has been semi-protected so that only established users can edit it. Does this mean anything? JoeC 4321 (talk) 15:23, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I think new accounts (under 4 days or so) cannot edit semi-protected pages. --WinHunter ^(talk) 15:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

That's correct - under the WP:Protection policy IPs and non-autoconfirmed accounts (ie. accounts under 4 days old) cannot edit semi-protected pages. For some reason the page wasn't marked as such - if you have a look now you should see a small silver padlock in the top lefthand corner. _GB^T/C 15:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Should be top righthand corner I think, the padlock looks like this: . --WinHunter ^(talk) 15:33, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your information--but WHY wasn't the padlock on the page before and why does it now have the word "hide" next to it? I have never seen a page without edit buttons or a page that was "semi-protected" but didn't show the padlock. Thanks again. Encheiridion (talk) 15:38, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

After an admin protects a page, they should add the proper template. Judaism was protected on 12 May, but {{sprotected2}} was just added at 11:28 UTC today— it may have take a little bit to show up. --— Gadget850 (Ed)talk 15:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

There's a bot that removes the padlock from pages that aren't protected, but there isn't one that adds it to pages that are...in this case, the protecting admin overlooked adding the padlock after they protected the page. _GB^T/C 17:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Image upload troubles

Hi. Please see User talk:Eustress for details. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 20:29, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

You can save as a different filetype by opening it in paint and changing the option in 'save as'. This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. Please consider asking this question at the Computing reference desk. They specialize in answering computer questions and will try to answer any question in the universe except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link and ask away. You could always try searching Wikipedia for an article related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps....... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 20:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

(e/c) In my opinion it was a Wikipedia-related question... I've replied on AH's talk page. PeterSymonds (talk) 20:37, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Side

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Hello,

I have noticed that many articles have pictures on the right side. Some have small tables and other things on the right side as well. And many have text left of the picture or table. I looked through the FAQs, but I could not figure out how to put the picture or table on the right. If someone who could tell me how to do that I would be happy.

Remilo (talk) 21:47, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

For pictures use: [[Image:FILENAME|thumb|OPTIONAL CAPTION]]...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 21:49, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

For tables and text, use <div style="text-align: right; direction: ltr; margin-left: 1em;"> RIGHT ALIGNED TEXT </div>...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 21:50, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Remilo (talk) 22:03, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

For future questions, you may want to Ctrl-F search the Editor's index in addition to the FAQ. For example, WP:EIW#Image has lots of links to pages about images on Wikipedia. Another tool is to put the {{Help desk searches}} template on your User page for quick reference. --Teratornis (talk) 22:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

In many cases, the image is in an infobox, which can also be used to include a basic summary of the article. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 06:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Photograph licensing - how do I share?

Hi! I would like to ensure that my photographs available to the public on Flickr are able to be used by editors at Wikimedia projects within articles or other non-commercial usage. They are currently given a Creative Commons "Attribution Non-commercial Share Alike" license. I want to be certain that they can be altered, used freely, but permission is asked of me before usage here or at other Wikimedia projects (just so I am aware that they are being used! :> ). If the license needs to be changed, please let me know. Any advice would be appreciated. The available licenses are found here if that helps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.95.44.134 (talk) 01:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm. I found a partial answer here- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags/Free_licenses. So... I suppose my revised question here is: what do Wikipedia editors prefer for the Creative Commons license to be, given the situation described in my original question here? 24.95.44.134 (talk) 01:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Generally CC-BY-SA is standard. CC-BY is also accepted, but all other flickr licences are not accepted as free images, though they may be suitable for fair use. If you're uploading free images, I suggest uploading them to the Wikimedia Commons rather than Wikipedia, as commons images are available for all wikimedia projects. See the commons flickr upload tool for information. -mattbuck (Talk) 02:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! 24.95.44.134 (talk) 02:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

In your first post you mention that you want to restrict use to non-commercial and with permission. You do understand now that neither restriction is acceptable to Wikipedia, right? —teb728 t c 03:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Indeed. Please see our image use policy, which states: "Images which are listed as for non-commercial use only, by permission, or which restrict derivatives are unsuitable for Wikipedia and will be deleted on sight." Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 03:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

May 18

Title issues

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 – Improper pagemoves fixed by Fughettaboutit. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 03:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm having issues with Nikola Žigić. The article is in one place, and it's talk page is in another, at Talk:Nikola Zigic. Also, the article history is messed up. Can someone figure this out? Spencer^T♦C 02:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Everything's back in place. There was apparently a few page moves with "move associated talk page" unchecked.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 02:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Spencer^T♦C 14:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Nominate image for deletion question

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 – Image deleted as a copyvio. PeterSymonds (talk) 08:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I think this image should be nominated for deletion. How should I go about doing that? Does anyone else feel the same way that an image of "grey poopon" is not needed. image:GreyPoopon.jpg --SportsMaster (talk) 05:16, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:IFD. Tiggerjay (talk) 05:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I can't quite make out the two graphics flanking the word GREY. If that is a Grey Poupon logo, there is a copyright problem. —teb728 t c 07:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, a quick google image search reveals that this is a dog toy, so this is copyvio since he is most likely not the copyright holder to this work.[3][4] Will tag. Tiggerjay (talk) 07:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

 Done PeterSymonds (talk) 08:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Integrating a list notable news sources

Hello, for an article I'm contributing on I want to include a short list of notable news articles as they are being referred to as important point.

For what I read this is acceptable by wikipedia policy as it adds extra information for readers. The option to not create the list but write about the articles instead I believe is no option in this case, as it would make a much longer text, I will however comment on the list in detail. None of the news articles are likely to disappear from the internet any time soon.

Should I just add the list in the section I am commenting on it? Or should I create a section at external links with an internal link in the actual section. Are there any other articles with such a list?

The basic layout for the list I have in mind is * title of news article (date, publisher)

Thanks in advance, Species8473 (talk) 07:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

For much needed context, please see Talk:Homeschooling#Homeschool_Legality_World_Map. -- ShinmaWa^(talk) 08:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Regardless of how you list your links, you should make proper footnotes for them so they appear in Homeschooling#References. See WP:FOOT, WP:CITE, WP:CITET, and WP:EIW#Citetools for everything you need to master citation footnotes on Wikipedia. --Teratornis (talk) 20:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Live Map On Wikipedia !!!

Hello WOrld ! Is there any body who tell me how to get a live image of world Map on wikipedia? If this kind of feature available please know me...U can notify me by posting ur coments on this page. Also tell me about other Internet based GPS system if any.. Know me how to get connected with that site...

Thank You---- Parag E-Mail--> <removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.124.191.157 (talk) 11:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Please do not include contact details in your questions. We are unable to provide answers by any off-wiki medium and this page is highly visible across the internet. The details have been removed, but if you wish for them to be permanently removed from the page history, email this address. Please sign your post by typing four tildes (~~~~) or clicking the signature button above the edit box which looks like this: . Do NOT sign in articles....... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 11:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

It is a little hard to guess what the IP is actually looking for, but guessing that they're looking for recent satellite photos, probably the closest thing to a "live" map is Google Earth. It's not live as in being able to see people walking around in real time, but it does show reasonably up-to-date satellite photos of almost all the Earth's land surface with resolutions under 1 metre per pixel in many places (usually major cities). Astronaut (talk) 13:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Live images from various locations are available from some webcam sites, but most of these are not in a map format. Wikimapia is an online map and satellite imaging resource that combines Google Maps with a wiki system, allowing users to add information (in the form of a note) to any location on earth. Wikimapia might sort of be "live" in the sense that Wikipedia is "live," as in continuously under editing by users, but the aerial photos in Google Maps are by no means live; the photos for my area are years old, and don't show many recent developments. To see a live display of your location on an old map, if you are able to carry along a Global Positioning System receiver and a sufficiently capable mobile computing device, see the GpsDrive program. For information about maps on Wikipedia itself, see: WP:EIW#Map. If the questioner will tell us his or her specific interest, we can reply more specifically. What does the questioner want to do with the GPS? Geocaching? Route navigation? Surveying? Is the questioner on foot, on a bicycle, in a motor vehicle? The means of travel constrains the hardware options and influences what a person is trying to do. --Teratornis (talk) 20:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Intersection of categories on article and talk pages

Is there an easy(-ish) way of finding pages where the article page is in category X, and the talk page is listed in category Y? As an example: Category:Railway stations in Gwynedd and Category:Start-Class UK Railways articles don't actually intersect, because the 'class' category is on the talk page.

Pushing this a bit further, how about the article page being listed in category X, and the talk page not listed in category Y?

Ansbaradigeidfran (talk) 11:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

AutoWikiBrowser includes a tool which can do this. Epbr123 (talk) 16:01, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

spinal

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 – No medical advice...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 11:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

i have to go to see a nurosurgen i have pains in kneck headakes blured vision and dizzines what could be the problem and the oucome —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geoffrc (talk • contribs) 11:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

We cannot offer medical advice. Please see the medical disclaimer. Contact your General Practitioner....... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 11:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

One simple question

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 – Responded PeterSymonds (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

nb: I've made this account for the purpose of asking this question, because I do not wish to receive loads of speculation on the motives of asking it on my main account. I am simply curious, that is all, but gossip travels faster than a vandalbot on a rampage.
When a checkuser is performed on an account, does the result show every account editing from the original account's Ip address, or only the Ip address of the account in question? For example, if two suspected sockpuppets were taken to Requests for Checkuser, would the check show every account editing from their Ip address (assuming they are sockpuppets) or only that they both use the same Ip? I hope thats clear enough to understand. Thank you. Onesimplequestion (talk) 12:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

A checkuser can see all the usernames an IP has been editing from, and all the IPs that an account has been editing from. However, there are limits to this, as it only goes back a few weeks at most. Read WP:Checkuser for more info. Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 12:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

So if there were two sockpuppets and one legitimate user editing from the same Ip at a public computer, the legitimate account would also show up even if it wasn't in question before? Is that how puppetmasters are found out? Onesimplequestion (talk) 12:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes it would. But each IP would be recorded, and checkusers look for suspicious editing patterns. One exception isn't going to worry them too much. PeterSymonds (talk) 12:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Onesimplequestion (talk) 12:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

No probs. PeterSymonds (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Commons image editing?

Since Image:Rita in Rome at November.jpg is on Commons and permission is granted through OTRS, where do I start to get the picture edited? Right now it look like the woman pictured is snubbing the blue couch pillow next to her. I'd like to get it trimmed so that it doesn't look like such a bad shot. Dismas|^(talk) 13:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Make a commons account, save the picture, crop it, upload the cropped version with the same filename as the uncropped one - overwriting it...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 13:45, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't overwrite it. Save it as Image:Rita in Rome at November cropped.jpg at commons remembering to include all of the previous licensing information. Woody (talk) 13:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Guess I'll have to go learn how to crop an image.... Thanks! Dismas|^(talk) 18:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

In the image editor software packages I have seen, cropping usually amounts to something like this:

• Open the image file.
• Select a tool that allows you to drag-resize a rectangle outline on the image.
• Put the rectangle where you want.
• Select something like Edit | Crop. That removes everything outside the rectangle.
• Save the cropped image to a new file.

If you tell us the image editor you use, someone can probably tell you the exact commands. If you don't have an image editor, tell us your operating system and someone will recommend one. Or see Comparison of raster graphics editors. --Teratornis (talk) 20:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

However, for cropping JPEG images, I'd recommend a lossless JPEG editing program such as jpegcrop (scroll down the page). —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 20:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Infobox Theatre image width parameter

Is there a way to control the image width in {{Infobox Theatre}}? I would like to make the image at Jay Pritzker Pavilion wide enough so that the caption is only two lines and the capacity line is a single line.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 14:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

It appears that you can just use image_size. If not, try Image-size. It's the first one. Good luck, Juliancolton ^{Tropical Cyclone} 14:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

StatusChanger - HAU not yet working

Hi. Please see User talk:CWii for details, I modified my monobook and cleared my cache, but my in busy out is missing. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 16:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I think CWii might be the only one who can fix that... but I do know that some scripts only work in Mozilla Firefox, that could be it. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 17:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Two articles in need of merging

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 – Resolved, now perhaps a copyright issue Tiggerjay (talk) 05:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi there, basically i've found two articles about the same person, which are in need of merging. The articles are George Reginald Starr and George Starr. I don't really have time to fix this myself so I was wondering whether there is a kind of merge list or something, so that somebody might get round to fixing this at some point. Looking at the aticles it appears that the former is slightly more substantial, so maybe move that to George Starr and place a redirect on George Reginald Starr? Anyway I just wanted to notify someone and leave it in their capable hands. Thanks very much. Jamesmh2006 (talk) 16:59, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

You can tag the pages to indicate that they are in need of merging. Wikipedia:MERGE#Proposing_a_merger discusses how to do this and the different tags to use. Thanks for noticing this! -- Natalya 17:02, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I've merged the articles, but have noticed that there may be a WP:COPYVIO problem (from Peter Manchester's site). It's possible that the article creator is Manchester, so I'm going to email him and find out. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:44, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Manchester, a relative of Starr's according to his site, has emailed me that he was indeed the article's creator. Now how do I make note of his permission to use his material? Clarityfiend (talk) 04:13, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Have Manchester send permission to permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org however, it is better to have original prose instead of having permission to use copyrighted material. Tiggerjay (talk) 05:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

logging in / logging out

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can you tell when i log in and out of wikipedia like you can on myspace? 79.76.247.132 (talk) 17:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Look in the top-right corner. If you see a login link, then you're logged out; if you see a user toolbar, you're logged in. haz (talk) 17:09, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

No, can YOU tell if i am logged in or not —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.247.132 (talk) 17:10, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict) No, it's generally impossible to tell whether a given user is logged in or not. (However, if a user makes an edit or other logged change, that implies that that user is logged in at that moment.) You can tell whether you are logged in by checking to see if your username appears at the top-right of the screen, but cannot check any other user. --ais523 17:11, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and you were logged out when you asked that question. The general rule is that you can only tell whether another user is logged in when they make an edit or other change to the wiki. --ais523 17:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

thank you. so no one but me can tell unless i edit. so if i just loging in and watch my list then you dont know? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.76.247.132 (talk) 17:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes. --ais523 17:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

If you want to let people know your online status, it is possible. See WP:EIW#Status. For example, the WP:HAU page and its subpages use a bot program to indicate which of the editors in those lists are currently online. --Teratornis (talk) 20:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Help needed with copyright rationale

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Discussion moved to Wikipedia:Media copyright questions.

I am marking this as resolved as the discussion was moved to a different location. Regards, RyRy5 (talk) 19:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

User scripts

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 – PeterSymonds (talk) 18:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi. Does anyone know of a user script that closes/relists AfDs? I've installed the AfD closer from WP:US but it's not working. Alternatively, if anyone happens to be good at monobooks, perhaps you can tell me what I'm doing wrong. :) Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 18:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I do not know of a script, but I can give you a list of some admins/users who normally close AfDs. They may close AfDs with a certain scrip. Is that okay?--Ryan Cross (talk) 18:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, yeah, that may work. Although I'm pretty sure there's just one script, plus a MfD one made by jj37. It's a shame because half of my monobook tools don't seem to work! (Purge tab, Afd closer, a few others). Thanks, PeterSymonds (talk) 18:37, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

The only users I know who normally close AfDs are User:Philippe (admin) and User:TenPoundHammer (non-admin). I'm positive that there are more but I probably don't know them.--Ryan Cross (talk) 18:40, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

(ec)The first one (closest to the top) that doesn't work is the broken one, any below it will be ignored. Remove or fix that and clear your cache and your problems should be solved...... Dendodge .. Talk^Help 18:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks to all. Do you know how to fix? I moved it up to the top earlier and all the scripts that were working still are. I've still got twinkle, the "vote" symbols on AfDs, the "New pages" link on the toolbox and the "easy-db" script etc. PeterSymonds (talk) 18:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

You may have to remove it instead of fixing it if someone doesn't know how to fix it. I personally don't know how to fix it.--RyRy5 (talk) 18:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I've tried stealing Philippe's script which he had in his monobook; I'll play around with that and ask him if it works. I'll mark as resolved for now. Thanks all! :) PeterSymonds (talk) 18:55, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Copyright permission

How do I check if permission has been granted to use text? Specifically, for Listen, Darling, the plot is copied from IMDb and the Notes section from the Judy Garland database. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by "granted to use text"? Do you mean granted to copyright text?--RyRy5 (talk) 19:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Generally it's not allowed. Unless a site has very explicitly released their content under the public domain or a free license like the GFDL, we can't accept it and it will be deleted. In this case, I've just deleted the article. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 19:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Geeze! You didn't have to delete the entire article. Could you undelete it and just remove the offending sections? Clarityfiend (talk) 20:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I know you can get permission to use copyrighted material - it was done for the American Film Institute film lists. I'd still like to know where I can check such things. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Had I removed the offending sections, all that would have remained would have been a single sentence which would have fallen under another speedy criteria, either for being too short to identify the subject or failing to establish notability (not entirely valid for films, I know, but the point is there wouldn't have been any point). The first half was copied entirely from IMDB, the second entirely from the Judy Garland site. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:50, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Oops, sorry - if you'd like to look into requesting permission for that text, you can email the owner of the site and have them forward permission to permissions-en AT wikimedia DOT org - however please note that we'd still greatly prefer an article with original prose. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia blacklisted?

While adding a county navbox to various township articles in Itasca County, Minnesota, I found that all my edits were blocked by the spam filter. Here's an example:

The spam filter blocked your page save because it detected a blacklisted hyperlink. If you did not add the link yourself, it most likely was added by another editor before being blacklisted. You will need to remove all instances of the blacklisted link before you can save your edit. If you are attempting a section edit, note that this block may even be due to blacklisted links in other sections. If you need help removing the blacklisted link, post a message at Wikipedia:Help desk.

Blacklists are maintained both locally and globally. Before proceeding, please review both lists to determine which one (or both) are affecting you. You can request help removing the link, request that the link be removed from the blacklist, or report a possible error on the local or global spam blacklist talk page. If you'd like to request that a specific link be allowed without removing similar links from the blacklist, you can request whitelisting on the local spam whitelist talk page. The following link has triggered our spam protection filter: http://en.wikipedia.org Either that exact link, or a portion of it (typically the root domain name) is currently blacklisted.

Return to Trout Lake Township, Minnesota.

What I had done was to place all the templates in the edit window, and then click "Save page" for all the pages in quick succession. I don't normally do it this way (usually, I place the template for a page, save it, and go to the next page), and when I did it with individual pages, it went fine. I'm reporting this here because (not surprisingly!) Wikipedia isn't on the WikiMedia blacklists :-) Any ideas? Nyttend (talk) 21:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I haven't the faintest idea why that happened. Several new links were added today, but none of them of course were wikipedia. Maybe a bug? Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Print Wikipedia

Resolved

 – PeterSymonds (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't know if this is the right place to ask about this (if it isn't, what is?), but after hearing that there is going to be a desk encyclopedia based on the German Wikipedia, I would like to know if there will be a similar work in English? If not, why? I would happily buy a print version of Wikipedia.SPNic (talk) 21:22, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I know that there's a CD version in the works, but I'm not sure about a print version. Personally, I think that would be a bit impractical; if you wanted to cover, say, just the featured articles on Wikipedia (2,049 as of now), and on average each article took 6 pages, you'd need a 12,294 page book to hold it all. And I'm pretty sure we want to save the Amazon. :) Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 21:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Apparently a print version has been considered; see here for more information. Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 21:29, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

There's a CD version of Wikipedia. However, we have over 2 million articles; that's a lot of pages! I don't think a print edition is going to be released yet; maybe in the future for the core topics. Best, PeterSymonds (talk) 21:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Whoops, sorry MoP, didn't see your reply. :) PeterSymonds (talk) 21:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Also see Wikipedia:Pushing to 1.0, WP:EIW#Version1.0, and WP:EIW#Stable. Not that anyone cares what I think, but I think trying to put Wikipedia on paper would be a misallocation of resources. I know that most people on Earth still do not have computers, but Moore's law continues to reduce the cost of computing. Already, the One laptop per child project is becoming possible. In another five or ten years, we'll probably have some sort of mobile computing device cheap enough for everyone who can buy recycled American clothing (guess where all your used clothing donations end up - on billions of people in the Third World) with some sort of low-energy display device capable enough to do justice to Wikipedia. In other words, instead of fretting about the fact that so many poor people cannot afford computers now, I say look at the cost trend of computing - it looks to me as if Moore's law will reduce the cost of computing asymptotically toward zero, and this Wikipedia availability problem will solve itself. This assumes, of course, that the worst-case scenario of peak oil (i.e., the collapse of industrial civilization within the next decade) does not occur. --Teratornis (talk) 21:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

In other words, most people don't think there's going to be a print en-Wikipedia anytime soon. Calvin 1998 ^(t-c) 22:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

It would make a pretty fantastic library though... but anyway, I digress; resolved! PeterSymonds (talk) 22:06, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

May 19

monopolizing the editing of a page

Template:Hd no sig Is there any mechanism to stop the repeated introduction of speculative and irreverent material by a single contributor, despite overwhelming disagreement and objection from readers in the discussion of the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vcharvieux (talk • contribs) 01:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Can you give an example of your topic? Also, can you clarify your question? Thank you.--RyRy5 (talk) 01:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Beyond attempting to talk to the user via his/her talk page, and directing them to the discussion page for the particular article to get input from other editors, you'll have to start giving them small warnings. If the question is in regards to original research or violations of WP:NPOV and the reliability of sources, you may wish to visit the WP:NPOVN, WP:ORN and WP:RS/N noticeboards or try a request for comment. Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 01:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

If you think that your problem needs administrator attention, you should ask at the WP:AN/I. But make sure it is serious.--RyRy5 (talk) 01:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm familiar with this user's specific problem; he would prefer that the article on Henri Nouwen, the great Christian writer, did not discuss the writer's homosexuality, but every time he blanks the paragraph on the subject, he gets reverted, and so is frustrated. I've tried explaining on his talk page. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 15:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Searching for pages sharing several categories

G'day, I'm trying to find out how I can search for pages that fill more than one category - i.e., is there a way to search for Category:'1999 Films' and Category:'Action Films' which would result in a list of all Action Films released in 1999? 82.15.254.221 (talk) 09:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

You can use the search bar, with the search term 'incategory:"1999 films" incategory:"Action films"', but that will only search the two categories named, and not their subcats such as Category:1990s action films. An alternative capable of scanning subcategories is WP:CATSCAN, though this only works for intersecting two categories, not more. CATSCAN also requires that you get the category names exactly right (for instance, the f is lowercase in the names of the two categories you mentioned). Algebraist 09:42, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Checkuser

1. How do you request to be a Checkuser?

2. Is there a particular age you need to be before you can bceome a bureaucrat or Checkuser? I know that you can become an administrator at any age (I've heard of 12-year old admins), but what about a bureaucrat/Checkuser? Interactive Fiction Expert/Talk to me 09:38, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Per WP:CheckUser, CheckUser rights are granted (very rarely) by the ArbCom. CheckUsers must be at least 18, of legal age, and provide personal identification to the Foundation. Algebraist 09:45, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

There does not appear to be a formal age limit for Bureaucrat status. Algebraist 09:51, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Frowned upon words

IS there a list of words that wikipedia dislikes being used in edits or edit summaries such as a bot might hunt down? MilkFloat 10:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I know that the Anti-Vandal Tool uses a list of words to flag possible vandalism. ClueBot also works this way when removing profanity. Xenon54 10:40, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Regarding those antivandals tools, you can see a list of words one of those tools hunts for at User:Lupin/badwords.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:16, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The prior answers are with regards to vandalism keywords -- is this what you are looking for? For example, there are other words which might trigger WP:PEA. Tiggerjay (talk) 15:41, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Redirecting an image?

While recent changes patrolling, I came across Image:Eoraptor sketch5.png, newly created as a redirect to Image:Eopraptor sketch5.png. Is it possible/advisable to redirect image links? Nyttend (talk) 12:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The key question seems to be whether redirects work for displaying images (like template transclusions). They don't: . Given this, I'm not sure what use an image redirect could be; it's not like you're going to be looking for Image:Eopraptor sketch5.png and mistype one letter. Algebraist 12:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

How do you move one page to its redirect page?

Thanks. Yohan euan o4 (talk) 13:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Unless I'm mixing up the process, you'd need an administrator to delete the redirect page, and then move the page to the previous location of the redirect. -- Natalya 13:31, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

If the redirect has only one revision and points to the article you want to move then you can move the article over the redirect. Otherwise you should use {{db-move}} or WP:RM to get an admin involved. What you should not do is cut and paste the article to the new location. See Help:Moving a page for more info. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 13:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

creating a new article

How do you create a new article? I've looked on the page but it keeps being vandalised and I can't get into it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hello963 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you referring to the page Wikipedia:Your first article? It appears that all the vandalism has been cleaned up, so hopefully it will be of more help to you now. If you have further questions, though, feel free to ask! -- Natalya 15:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Are you referring to Trodmore Racecourse? As it appears you have properly created the page. Tiggerjay (talk) 15:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Title for My Organization's Wiki Page

Someone created a Wiki page for our organization, Recovery International, Inc., but the page title only reads Recovery, Inc. It should read Recovery International. I tried to make this change in the edit view but could not. Can someone on the Wiki staff resolve this issue for me?

Also, I am interested in learning whom created this Wiki page in the first place. It looks like it was usernam Scarpy according to the history, but the page doesn't indicate whether that person was the original author.

Thank you for your attention to these matters. Please let me know when the page title has been resolved.

Kind regards,

Chris

Chris Jorgensen Director of External Relations Recovery International, Inc. 802 N. Dearborn St. Chicago, IL 60610 (p) <blanked> www.recovery-inc.org —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chrisman926 (talk • contribs) 14:58, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The web site listed above and in the article is titled “Recovery, Inc.” Do you have a source that shows the name you specify? —Travis^talk 15:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Upon reviewing the website itself, it shows "Recovery Inc" only on the logo and copyright section on the bottom - so this would indicate that this is the official way -- however if you do have something to document otherwise (such as a specific link on the website, etc) then we can change it. Or better yet, show you how to. Tiggerjay (talk) 15:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

blue dotted line in my article

On my article on the "social circus" there is a blue-dotted line surrounding the information on the "Circle"– also the information extends far horizontally. How do I fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lotus212 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

That happens when you have extra spaces before the text in a paragraph. I removed the spaces, and it looks normal now! -- Natalya 15:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The articles (a) "Abraham Shemtov", (b) "Yehuda Krinsky" and (c) "Chabad-Lubavitch related controversies", might be well described as "point of view", and especially so as regards the first two articles.

For example, the articles omit the fact that in the dispute over the Weinstock Estate, as well as in other matters, the two persons acted in contempt of the local Rabbinic Court, and that one had previously been dismissed for a time from his position.

Rather than descend into an unpleasant debate on these matters, it might be better to simply remove the articles, or at least remove the first two, and get some independent fact checking on the third.

Thank you for your attention