User talk:Cirt

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Other neat portal ideas for longer term

• Longer term ideas to think about from other portals:

1. Events section, like: "On this day" e.g., Biography, Religion, United States; "Selected anniversaries" e.g., War; "Calendar" at Holidays. Interesting idea of "Month selected anniversaries", at Oregon.
2. Model intro with some rotating images, after Portal:Oregon, Portal:Indiana, Portal:Iceland/Intro and Portal:Philosophy of science/Intro.
3. Revamp DYK sections w/ free-use images, model after Portal:Criminal justice and Portal:Oregon.
4. Portal palettes at User:RichardF/Palettes/Portals. Comparable color schemes can be developed from the various hue lists at User:RichardF/Palettes. Also see Portal:Box-header.
5. If there are a lot of categories, then categories section to 2 columns, like in Portal:Indiana.

   Also take some time to check out style/formatting at Portal:Indiana Cirt (talk)

Note to self

• MakeRef

independent reliable secondary sources

• User:Citation bot/use

• {{findsources}}

Cite templates

<ref>{{cite book| last =  | first =  | authorlink =  | coauthors =  | title =  | publisher =  | year =  | location =  | page =  | url =  | doi =  | id =    | isbn = }}</ref>

<ref>{{cite news| last =  | first =  | coauthors =  | title =  | work =  | language =  | publisher =  | page =  | date =  | url =  | accessdate =  }}</ref>

<ref>{{cite journal|last =| first=| authorlink=| coauthors=|title=|journal=|volume=|issue=|page=|publisher=|location = | date = | url = | doi = | id = | accessdate = }}</ref>

<ref>{{cite web| last =  | first =  | authorlink =  | coauthors =  | title =  | work =  | publisher =  | date =  | url =  | format =  | doi =  | accessdate =  }}</ref>

Citation model

The Simpsons (season 3)

Body text in-cite

<ref name="REFNAME">[[#LASTNAME|LASTNAME]], p. PAGENUMBER</ref>

References section

(reference template from WP:CIT)

*<cite id=LASTNAME>REFERENCE</cite>

Different model

• Template:Citation
• Template:Harvnb
• Example: <ref name="REFNAME">{{Harvnb|LAST|YEAR|p=PAGENUMBER}}</ref>

See models at The General in His Labyrinth and Mario Vargas Llosa.

More info. Cirt (talk)

More at Wikipedia:Harvard citation template examples.

And Template talk:Harvard citation no brackets.

Cirt (talk)

Dispatch

Cirt, Awadewit suggested that you might be interested in writing a Signpost Dispatch article on Featured portals (the only area of featured content we haven't covered). Sample previous articles are at {{FCDW}}. We've covered:

• Featured content overview
• Peer review
• Did you know
• Featured lists
• Good articles
• Featured sounds
• Featured topics
• Images
• TFA
• And Featured articles many times: Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-07-21/Dispatches, Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-04-07/Dispatches, Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-10-13/Dispatches

None of them start out looking like that: if an editor initially just chunks in some text, many others chip in to tweak it up to Signpost standards. For example, someone wrote this, which Karanacs, Royalbroil and I turned into this, so if you just chunk in some text as a start, others can help finish it off. Another example, I put in this outline, and Karanacs brought it up to this. Other editors have written almost complete and clean Dispatches without much need for other editing. If you're interested, please weigh in and coordinate at WT:FCDW In case you're interested, you could just begin sandboxing something at WP:FCDW/Portals and pop over to WT:FCDW to leave a note when you're ready for others to help out. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Will mull this over and most likely draft something up. Cirt (talk) 11:54, 18 November 2108 (UTC)

Razzies progress

• 15th Golden Raspberry Awards through 29th Golden Raspberry Awards = reformatting process done.
  • Note: Going to have to go back and model these after the modifications made subsequently to 29th Golden Raspberry Awards.
• 29th Golden Raspberry Awards - so far only one expanded with sourcing research. (WP:FL)
• Razzie Award for Worst New Star = reformatting process done, next to use Talk:Razzie Award for Worst Picture as model to reformat other pages in Category:Golden Raspberry Awards by category (with subsection breaks by decade)

Cirt (talk)

Work in progress - Van Morrison

• Van Morrison (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Much of the music Morrison released throughout the 1980s continued to focus on the themes of spirituality and faith. His 1983 album, Inarticulate Speech of the Heart was "a move towards creating music for meditation" with synthesisers, uilleann pipes and flute sounds and four of the tracks were instrumentals. Van Morrison is a former Scientologist; during the 1980s he dedicated an album to the organization's founder L. Ron Hubbard. Van Morrison was recruited into Scientology by Scientologist and musician Nicky Hopkins. Friends of Van Morrison's within his musical circle that were also into Scientology included Mark Isham and Robin Williamson. Van Morrison's album Beautiful Vision was influenced by Scientology, and his next album Inarticulate Speech of the Heart (1983) included a "special thanks" credit given to L. Ron Hubbard. After Scientology, Van Morrison moved on to "a broadly Christian faith". He titled his 1986 album No Guru No Method as an attempt to distance himself from Scientology. In a review of Van Morrison's musical work in The Times, journalist Pete Paphides described his album No Guru, No Method, No Teacher as "the 1986 album that found Morrison adrift from God, wounded by his dalliance with Scientology, wrestling the mother of spiritual hangovers and deciding that only the compass of memory could help a lost soul to redemption". Van Morrison's exploration of spirituality, including Jehovah's Witness, Christianity, mysticism, and Scientology, served as an influence for his works including Astral Weeks, "Kingdom Hall", Enlightenment and "Whenever God Shines His Light". In 1991, Van Morrison explained his period of spirituality and self-reflection, commenting: "I'm into all of it, orthodox or otherwise. I don't accept or reject any of it. I'm not searching for anything in particular, I'm just groping in the dark for a bit more light." In 1995, when asked by the University of Ulster to list his favorite philosophers, Van Morrison included Aristotle, Socrates, Sartre, Steiner – as well as L. Ron Hubbard. In 2009, the Pulitzer Prize-winning newspaper St. Petersburg Times listed Van Morrison among "Former Scientologists".

Cirt (talk) 05:53, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Ian Benardo

Please Restore the IAN BENARDO page. Thank You. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.128.218 (talk) 18:07, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Why did you delete the IAN BENARDO page? He is a well known commentator on radio, television and was an infamous American Idol contestant and So You Think you can Dance. He has 2 records out and has a new TV show debuting called "THE IAN BENARDO SHOW". He has hosted numerous events and charities as well as a personality. Please restore the Ian Benardo page. Thank You. 66.108.128.218 (talk) 18:20, 25 January 2010 (UTC) A Fan

Hey Cirt. Restore IAN BENARDO's page. He is a notable Television icon and has 2 CDs out and regularly appears on television. He is an internet meme as well with numerous imitations. Koosachtak (talk) 07:40, 26 January 2010 (UTC) koosachtak

More info at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ian Benardo. Cirt (talk) 22:45, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Google IAN BENARDO and see that he has 2 Albums out, a popular television show and articles in many publications. Restore the Ian Benardo page. He is constantly on the radio and always quoted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.128.218 (talk) 23:08, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Please read WP:AFD. Cirt (talk) 21:52, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Locus web comic

I was just wondering why the Locus (webcomic) was deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Track13d (talk • contribs) 17:58, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Could you give a more specific link? Cirt (talk) 00:20, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Leo Ryan GA Sweeps: On Hold

I have reviewed Leo Ryan for GA Sweeps to determine if it still qualifies as a Good Article. In reviewing the article I have found several issues, which I have detailed here. Since you are a main contributor of the article (determined based on this tool), I figured you would be interested in contributing to further improve the article. Please comment there to help the article maintain its GA status. If you have any questions, let me know on my talk page and I'll get back to you as soon as I can. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 05:19, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

No worries, sorry for the delay, I kept forgetting about it. The article's in good shape and it would be great to see it go to FA at some point after a good copyedit. Good job addressing the points so quickly. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 06:59, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Spanish Gibraltarians

Hi Cirt, I see that Gibnews was finally successful in his repeated attempts to delete such an article :-) Would it be possible to restore it under my name space? It contained some valuable information I'd like to recover. Best regards --Ecemaml (talk) 10:12, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

 Done, now at User:Ecemaml/Spanish Gibraltarians. Cirt (talk) 00:18, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

about Fluther

I checked the people involved in the deletion log and your name showed up, as well as User talk:NawlinWiki, User talk:JohnCD, and User talk:Skier Dude.

I'm not going to argue the case specifically for Fluther, however I wonder if there should be a list of answer sites as Category:Knowledge markets likely doesn't cover all, such as Fluther, Blurtit, Dizzay, or for that matter, Wikipedia:Reference Desk.

Thanks.
Civic Cat (talk) 19:53, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

You could bring up that idea at the talk page for Wikipedia:Reference Desk. Cirt (talk) 00:15, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review for Human Instrumentality Project

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Human Instrumentality Project. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

You dared me to take it up to DRV; I didn't want to, but there it is. --Gwern (contribs) 22:31 28 January 2010 (GMT)

Subpage under the day for Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 January 28. Cirt (talk) 00:19, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

FarPoint Media Network

I wish to re-address the deletion of FarPoint Media Network. Article was undeniably dated and incomplete. But the main reasons for the deletion have since changed. The company's notability has increased as FarPoint Media grew to include over 100 diverse podcasts and has upgraded their online presence and activity. And, as a representative from the FarPoint Media Network, I offer to personally update and "substantially improve" the article content. (Pagemaster137 (talk) 23:36, 31 January 2010 (UTC))

Suggest you work on a draft in your userspace. Cirt (talk) 21:51, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

If an acceptable draft is created in my userspace, can FarPoint Media Network be undeleted and modified with the new content? (Pagemaster137 (talk) 05:57, 2 February 2010 (UTC))

We'd have to reevaluate at that point in time. Cirt (talk) 05:58, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright. That is do-able. I will work on it in my userspace and let you know when it is complete. Thank you for your help. (Pagemaster137 (talk) 06:08, 2 February 2010 (UTC))

Hello Cirt. I have completely rewritten the content of the FarPoint Media Network and would very much appreciate it if you could look it over to make sure it is up to the expectations. You can find it on my userspace. Thanks! (Pagemaster137 (talk) 21:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC))

Thanks. It still seems to fail WP:NOTE. Cirt (talk) 21:03, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I'll keep working on it then. Thank you. (Pagemaster137 (talk) 21:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC))

Okay. Cirt (talk) 21:05, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of 01 Raffles Scout Group

No problems with deletion, but you did not comment on the proposal to revert the article to the redirect that it was before this version of the article was started. I would be happy to leave it dead, but some people will want the redirect. What do you think? When I have time, I will look to see if any material can be added to other articles like the school article. As an admin I can access the material. I doubt there is very much if any. Please reply here. --Bduke (Discussion) 21:50, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

We could wait to see if it even comes up as an issue. Cirt (talk) 21:51, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Sure. I'll let you know if it does. --Bduke (Discussion) 22:20, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

MECWA

21:33, 1 February 2010 Cirt (talk | contribs) deleted "MECWA" ‎ (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MECWA (2nd nomination))

The information came from the website, jubilee history 50 years and annual report 2008-2009.

Yes, I work for mecwacare and was asked to update the information as it was out dated. How can we get this undeleted? Is there any changes that you would reccomend in making? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mecwacare 02 (talk • contribs) 22:09, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Replied at user's talk page. Cirt (talk) 05:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

You have not answered my question, I want to know how to get undeleted.

The history information from the 'A Jubilee History' is in the National Library of Australia Cataloging and was first published in 1998 with the 50 year anniversary edition being published in October 2009.

I was simply updating out of date information.

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ICA (4-Icaroldichloridesulphate aka Icarus)

Hi, you deleted the subject article which I nominated at AfD. This was a bundle nomination along with Icaroldichloridesulphate. It appears you may have overlooked this bundling. Please revisit. Thanks. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 03:25, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Cirt (talk) 05:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

It's @#%&ing distracting!!!

Was nice to see Bale Out on the main page. :D Congrats — Hunter Kahn 04:17, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Cirt (talk) 05:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Awesome article! I enjoyed reading it (and the complaints on the talk page). :) Theleftorium 19:01, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Heh, thanks. Cirt (talk) 19:02, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Question

I really don't want to bother you, but can you give me your ultimate opinion for User:Siechfred/Barad (band) (see archive). Siech•Fred ^Home 10:16, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Good try, but seems to fail WP:NOTE. Cirt (talk) 19:02, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Hm, I don't really conform with your opinion, so I've started a deletion review (see notice below). But keep in mind, that I'm not familiar with the rules in en-WP :) Siech•Fred ^Home 09:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Thank you!  :-)

Hello Cirt. Hope this note finds you well. Wanted to say thank you for deleting the article about me. I did not start it, never wanted it up, and folks only ever vandalized it to the point I had to check it daily to correct or delete comments of slander and libel. You have saved me lots of time and frustration. So, I wanted to say thanks! Take care and all the best! MH sends

-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.195.209.12 (talk) 10:20, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

No worries, Cirt (talk) 19:02, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

HELP

The entry for David Lewis Anderson has been recreated and the tin-foil hat crowd are working overtime to stop it from being speedily deleted. Nothughthomas (talk) 23:48, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Cirt (talk) 00:56, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Lisa Robertson(television)

Why was the article deleted,it shouldn't of been deleted.She's a well known and very popular shopping channel host for QVC and a former Miss Tennessee(Miss America pageant).I see biographies of less known people and less information about them on Wikipedia.And if you're going to deleted her article you need to delete the majority of the articles on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Laker44 (talk • contribs) 01:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lisa Robertson (television). Cirt (talk) 04:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

David Lewis Anderson

Cirt, could restore the article to a subpage so we many continue to work on it to try to appease the wiki requirements.

I've added some responses below and will only say that many of the comments from NotHughThomas have been bitey. The wiki page does not say Dr. Anderson built a time machine, only discusses his theories proposed and presented on spacetime physics. There is no need on wikey to insult people by calling them crackpots and other terms. Again some responses below. Sciencefrontiers42 (talk) 16:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello again Cirt, I know you are busy but I wanted to ask if you would you be willing to take a look at the article in its present form. I worked with AirplaneMan's advice and I think the 3rd party citations and notability requirements were met. I added 3rd party recognition at a high level by the Romanian Government, United Nations, and added multiple 3rd party reputable citations to appearances and work.

I really just want to get this right and hope you will consider my request to look at the article in its present form just before it was deleted and provide any advice. Thanks for the consideration, Jennifer Sciencefrontiers42 (talk) 03:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Hello Cirt, I am new to wikipedia, just a couple months. I started working on an article about Dr. Anderson. There were suggestions and concerns raised. As each was raised I addressed each one.

For example, somebody challenge his appointment as an Ambassador for the United Nations, so I added a citation to the actual appointment letter. I did the same with a letter from the Romanian Governments.

(1) We can not prove the letter is legitimate. The letter is hosted on Anderson's own website. (2) Being a "UNESCO Youth Ambassador" is an honorary position similar to receiving a presidential youth physical fitness award. It does not involve any appointment by the UN or even a UN sub-body. It's an award for volunteers given out by private, national-level UNESCO enthusiast/affinity groups. There are tens of thousands of such "Youth Ambassadors." Even if legitimate it is not notable. Nothughthomas (talk) 04:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Cirt, Dr. Anderson and his foundation operate many programs for UNESCO. They are published all over the internet with photographic, video and newspaper evidence. Our colleagues have ever said that the UN Secretary General or the Romanian government will contact you in any manner you wish to authenticate his achievements and appointment as an Ambassador for UNESCO and Romania. Sciencefrontiers42 (talk) 16:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

I added links to his appearances recognizing his work from nationally sindicated shows, magazines, and others.

Only one "nationally syndicated" show was cited: Coast to Coast AM on which he appeared twice in 8 years. The other citations were from podcasts and internet radio, plus one conspiracy theorist magazine. Nothughthomas (talk) 04:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Dr. Anderson did a lot for me, his achievements are real and recognized around the world by many verifiable third parties. Please tell us how we can find a solution to make this work.

Provide citations from verifiable third parties that meet WP:CITE, such as links to newspapers (e.g. of acceptable newspaper - New York Times or Le Monde ... not Online Metaphysical Journal of Spooky Science), reputable magazines, books published by persons other than the author, third party news sites (not blogs) that meet WP:CITE (note: examiner.com is blocked from wikipedia from being used as a citation). Nothughthomas (talk) 04:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Cirt, I do not understand what NotHughThomas is saying. I've made no reeferences, ever, to the publications above. We can collect citations to other publications if needed. When we put more earlier, we were flagged for advertistement. Can you advise us? Sciencefrontiers42 (talk) 16:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

There was also a lot of slander about Dr. Anderson in some of the comments. I don't know if its a personal attack. I just know I am trying to work within the rules of wikipedia and don't know what to do. Can you advise?

There were serious notability concerns about a man who (1) claims a Ph.D. but is unable to verify when or where he received it, (2) says he invented a time machine and the technology is being suppressed by a secret cabal inside the US government, (3) has only managed media coverage on 1 conventional radio show, twice, in 8 years - plus a smattering of podcasts and website, (4) claims he is running a major mulitnational corporation involved in the most groundbreaking scientific research in the world (time travel), but the address of which happens to correlate to a work-loft building in Rochester that hosts a combination of apartments, real estate agents and dentist's offices, (5) is a known associate of Andrew Basagio, a regular lecturer on the UFO convention circuit who claims he is from the year 1968 and was chased by U.S. secret agents through a time machine to the present day to stop the secret of "teleportation" from leaking to the world. Nothughthomas (talk) 04:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Cirt, this doesn't make sense. It is simply not true. In response to above 1) We added the universities, they were deleted. Then we added the specific degrees that can be verified, but NotHughThomas deleted them too. 2) the wiki article discusses Dr. Anderson theories on potential energy stored by inertial frame dragging. I've seen him personally present these in universities here and in Europe. These theories are something he theorized in the 80's and then has been proved by NASAs experiments in recent years. Because somebody is not up on physics does not make it vodoo and this claim is false. 3) this is a false statement as well, see the recent article that verifies my comment. 4) Anderson MNC is a real company. It includes all the elements listed on his website. Products are manufactured and Amazon is used as a distribution and customer service mechanism, in addition to other products from Amazon. 5) This is a false claim, while Dr. Andrew Basagio has Dr. Anderson Name, there is no connection between the two. People have reference an interview making this claim, but the interview does not support the complaint.Sciencefrontiers42 (talk) 16:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Sciencefrontiers42 (talk) 02:30, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

David Lee Anderson is a very nice man and a low-level con artist of marginal talent. His many websites mostly contain a combination of cut-and-paste pages he's lifted from wikipedia and Amazon Associates storefronts (see: biometricvisions.com). In the UFO conspiracy counter-culture there are dozens of people like him - many who attach to themselves various titles like "Dr." or "Sir" etc. without being able to provide proof of holding them - and we cannot include any of them on wikipedia until they do something notable, such as run onto the White House lawn naked with a gun claiming they're being chased by time traveling E.T.'s from Zeta Reticuli or something like that. Nothughthomas (talk) 04:47, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

The relevant prior AFD is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Lewis Anderson. Cirt (talk) 04:49, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Cirt, please look at Dr. Anderson's biography and article list on his site. These bitey comments are again, simply not true. Much of Dr. Anderson's orginal work is duplicated there and he does not make claims that are being suggested. It may be on the edge of possibility, but all grounded in physics. Sciencefrontiers42 (talk) 16:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Cirt, I a college student in South Africa, working with two students, one in Bucharest and another in Chicago on this article. Our friend in America working with us was in tears today because of the attacks of somebody named Nothughthomas. Many of his comments may have been correct, but many were false and many were hateful with no constructive purpose. We simply want to understand what needs to be done to improve the article to make it acceptable. We're not experts, but trying hard and are asking you to help us or help us understand. What do we need to do to avoid the hateful comments and get advice on how to make this work? WorldPeaceEU (talk) 05:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Suggest working on a draft version in a subpage of your userspace. Cirt (talk) 06:32, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Nagaruban Arumugam

Hi, Cirt. You forgot to delete Nagaruban Arumugam when you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nagaruban Arumugam 2 as delete. Cunard (talk) 05:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Cirt (talk) 05:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Can you please review?

Regrettably, as a result of my tagging the UFO conspiracy theorist entry (above) for speedy deletion, one of the pro-UFO conspiracy proponents of that entry - since it's been re-deleted - has filed an ANI against me and started lobbying the one user I've had a past run-in with to support it who, regrettably, seems to have achieved admin status during my wikibreak and seems intent on hammering home a vendetta against me. Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Incident_with_User:Nothughthomas Nothughthomas (talk) 08:28, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review for Barad (band)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Barad (band). Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Siech•Fred ^Home 09:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice, Cirt (talk) 16:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Page at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2010 February 3. Cirt (talk) 17:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Query

Hi Cirt yesterday you closed the following discussion here Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MouseHunt as delete. I only post because two editors (Prodigy96 and TrustMeTHROW) in this discussion were confirmed to be sock puppets. Both of whom supported deletion. I was wondering if we could re-open this deletion discussion and perhaps have more input from other editors? I will respect your decision either way I just felt it prudent to bring this to your attention. Thank you for your time Ottawa4ever (talk) 10:45, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Reopened and relisted. :) Cheers, Cirt (talk) 16:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

my article deleted

Hallo Cirt, I see thet you deleted my page "European Federation of Materials Handling - FEM". So eventually my motivations against the insufficient evidence of notability did not convince you (just to remind my motivations: according to wikipedia's notability requirement, organizations are usually notable if the scope of their activities is national or international in scale, and if information about the organization and its activities can be verified by third-party, independent, reliable sources. We meet the first criterion. As regards the second, the fact that FEM does not appear in the mainstream press has little to do with notability but rather with the specific scope of the association. In addition, references to FEM appear on the European Commission’s website and I dare qualify the European Commission as a ‘reliable source’). So this will be the last word from wikipedia or do I have still the possibility to publish my article (without changes)? Thank you Cipresso (talk) 11:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

The problem here is that we need independent sourcing for our policies on undue weight and verifiability. So the fact that FEM does not appear in mainstream press has everything to do with WP:Notability, because that is how we define notability. The European Commission is a reliable source, but we need more than a reference to FEM on one of it's sites. We need nontrivial coverage. We also needs multiple independent sources. Nothing on Wikipedia is final, but untill something changes, ie. you can point to third party sources it's not likely that it's going to. So it's likely best to wait until such sources appear, and then use those sources to base an article on. Taemyr (talk) 13:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Serious Problem

I'm really having a very serious issue with Userid:antiuser. Despite my best efforts he is engaged in lobbying many multiple users against me, as a result of the speedy deletion of his UFO article. He's working overtime to flood admin Talk pages with every conceivable complaint and I simply don't have the bandwidth to keep up and jump from page to page to page, 24/7, defending myself. I have no doubt that, if you shop around to enough admins eventually you can get anyone banned on wikipedia. I think my days here are likely numbered and I'm at a loss of what to do. I think an ANI complaint would simply make matters worse as it would lead to more lobbying and "block shopping" and I don't want to reply in kind by "block shopping" because I don't think it's contributive to a positive environment. Nothughthomas (talk) 22:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Unnecessary revert

Dear Cirt - it is clearly evident you did not read my edit or examine my changes. I am a Wikipedian who has been here for NINE years and I certainly know the WP:LEAD section. If you reexamine my edit you will find that my changes significant enhanced the lead paragraph, and the details that were removed from the lead were of lesser importance and were fully covered in the subsequent paragraph.

It is careless and hamfisted actions like yours which are causing people to leave this project. Signed Manning, one of the first ever Wikipedia admins, and creator of the Wikiproject concept. 59.101.23.102 (talk) 00:45, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article. This cannot be more clear. Cirt (talk) 00:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes and it NOW does. The previous version was embarassingly bad. It contained minor details that were duplicated in the immediately following paragraph. WP:LEAD does not mean cram the entire article into the lead, it means provide a "concise overview". A detailed description of how the ceremony first began is NOT a "concise overview". Manning (talk) 00:50, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Please discuss at the article's talk page. Cirt (talk) 00:53, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

No, I can't be bothered and nor will I go to AN/I and fight about it. It is people like you who are destroying this project, and I don't have the strength to fight you. Keep the article your way, with it's redundancies, lack of balance and poor grammar. Also keep ignoring the improvements I made to the first paragraph. Bye. Manning (talk) 00:56, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I added back the changes you made to the first paragraph, thank you. As for the removal of an entire paragraph from the lede, the best way to solve conflicts is to discuss them, politely, on the article's talk page. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 00:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Note: [1] = user refused to come to the article's talk page in order to politely discuss the matter, preferring instead to blank out the request. Cirt (talk) 01:13, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Had you wished to "discuss things politely" I would have been all for it. But no, you posted a "warning", accused me of "disruption" and then cried foul over my being "uncivil". It appears you only resort to the rules of proper engagement when things aren't going you way. Truly, truly pathetic. Now stay off my talk page and I'll stay off yours. Manning (talk) 01:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I blanked to kill the conversation. Feel free to do the same here. Goodbye. Manning (talk) 01:21, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to come to the article's talk page anytime to discuss the matter, politely. Cheers, Cirt (talk) 01:22, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

[2] Cirt (talk) 01:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

NotHughThomas

I don't think I'm very happy about being accused of wikistalking or abuse of power. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 02:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Where? Cirt (talk) 02:18, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

• (edit conflict)On their user page Here, here, here, here and here.
• On user talk pages, here, here, here, here, here (your talk page), here (accusation I will impose a block a block while noone is looking!), here (referring to me) and here.
• On WP:AN/I here, here ("Regrettably it appears he ducked into adminship during my wiki-break, I can assure that any review of our previous interactions would have quickly kiboshed the community's decision to grant him admin privileges given his rather off-kilter way of interacting with other contributors, specifically me"), here and here.

Rather looks bad? - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 02:39, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Oh forget about it. I'm adding this to AN/I. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 02:47, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Not that you asked, but:

• I don't think admins should be thin-skinned about this sort of thing. It's par for the course even in situations where the best intentions have been accompanied by only the most courteous actions in keeping with best admin practices.
• In this instance, you could have avoided much of the conflict. The editor in question asked you to stay off her talk page, and without any real further admin business, you persisted (yes, you were responding to questions etc.—valid points, but to what end?). You could have just dropped the matter. ^Bongo_matic 02:30, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I was asked to comment by AntiUser. You ask to what end... well, to the end that the editor is being disruptive. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 02:40, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Editor has now been blocked indefinitely, of course this is up for review later on. I am extremely concerned that Bongomatic has readded the attack on AntiUser at editor review - this does not seem wise! - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) ^talk 06:20, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Please, the latest edits are to the user's own userpage. The user told me in good faith they will abide by my request to take a break. Let's all wait and see please. Cirt (talk) 02:31, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Celtic Gallaecia

I have put a redirect from the defunct Celtic Gallaecia page, to Britonia. This has fixed the broken link from 'Celtic Gallaecia' on the 'History of Galicia' infobox. I think that this now works OK from both a link and historical perspective. Best regards 11:38, 4 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wilfridselsey (talk • contribs)

No worries, Cirt (talk) 15:45, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Avon Plate F.C Deletion

Hi, just logged on to discover a page I created has been deleted. Article was Avon Plate F.C. I was not aware of the deletion debate at the time or I would have made comment at the time. It appears that the main complaints were around the jokey comment that Avon Plate was the 3rd biggest team in Bristol. I can only apologise for this - no offence or attempt to mislead was meant. I would argue against the claim that the subject is non notable as Sunday Football forms a huge part of English sporting culture and the teams that form the Sunday Leagues are vital.

I am relatively new to Wiki in terms of article editing/creation so it is clear I have alot to learn. However I would like to know if there are any steps I can take to retrieve the article so that it can be modified so that it is acceptable to the wider Wiki community.

Kind regards, Darren.

Daz555 (talk) 14:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I'd suggest to work on a proposed draft version in a subpage of your userspace. Cirt (talk) 15:33, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Sections

FloNight is not an arbitrator, and I am recused on this case. Cool Hand Luke 15:52, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I see that NYB and perhaps some others have also posted in other sections. It appears that they only do this in response to comments. Sometimes the separate threading is hard to interpret. Cool Hand Luke 15:57, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Morons in a Hurry

Hey, Cirt, I may have overstepped in revising that sentence -- which was meant as copy editing, not content generation. I was trying to fix a sentence that makes no sense as written by revising to link it to the article's subject. Any guidance or advice you have on it would be appreciated. If you look at the sentence I was trying to fix, you will agree, I think, that it does not convey the intended meaning. Roregan (talk) 20:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

It appears to have instead had the effect of adding information that was not previously there, without sourcing. Cirt (talk) 20:17, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

(TPW) A moron in a hurry is my favorite legal phrase. Hipocrite (talk) 20:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)