Talk:COVID-19 pandemic

Creation of a Stock Market article

With the problems with the stock market now, I think a separate article should be over the stock market impact from the Coronavirus. Anyone agree or disagree?Elijahandskip (talk) 16:24, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@Elijahandskip:I most certainly would agree with you because the markets around the world have gone down >10% this week. This really needs to be created and added to ITN/ITN ongoing. Noah^Talk 17:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

There is some text about this in Socio-economic impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak. I think a lot more could be added there. I had added a short summary here, but it got removed somewhere along the way. I support having something brief here. Bondegezou (talk) 18:07, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@Bondegezou: thing is, the stock market crash likely deserves its own article and the socioeconomic can have a brief summary there and deal with the other items. Noah^Talk 18:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

I would advise against rushing to create a new article. You can, right now, go add material to the Socio-economic impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak article. If the relevant section gets big enough that it warrants its own article, that can be done later. That's the recommended approach under Wikipedia guidelines: expand, then split off when there's enough material. Bondegezou (talk) 18:18, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Beginning the Official Vote for the new article here.

• Support enough information over the last week to create an article. The Socio-economic impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak focuses on China mainly, so a global stock market impact article would be useful. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:55, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose I'm with Bondegezou: don't jump the gun. Stock markets go up and down – it's what they have a vocation of doing. If you seriously think there's enough material out there, first expand Socio-economic impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak and then break out only if there's sufficient encyclopaedic content for the article to stand in its own right as a notable toopic. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 20:31, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

@Ohconfucius: I hope you realize how much material there is to cover. We have had similar articles in the past. Considering the global extent of this, there is a ton of coverage that needs to be done. You have the selloff in the Hang Seng index from Jan 17–31, Shanghai index from Jan 22–Feb 3, and then selloffs on three continents. In addition to discussing the major indices, specific companies most impacted by the selloff need to be mentioned (closures in China led to stock decreases for tech as an example). There is also the selloff in commodities such as oil. You have the significant decline of US treasury notes and bonds to an all-time record low. That in itself is notable enough for an article. Heaven forbid that this continue. Noah^Talk 21:43, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Of course the economic issues are important and plentiful. We have two issues: firstly is the way in which we fork articles; secondly, how the close links between economy and sociolgy can and ought to be disentangled. The epidemic is far-reaching and some issues will be difficult to dissociate. Our respective economies are tied up in matrices that are now under great pressure. Due to the inevitable shortages and breakdown of chains of supply, there is already discussion about re-evaluating the precepts of globalising liberalism, just-in-time production, and the undoubted questioning over-reliance on arguments principally of efficiency and cheap labour through delocalised production. There will be consequences on jobs and communities that result from the probably reversal of the economic linking. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 23:02, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Hurricane Noah, why don't you stop telling us how much material there is and start adding that material to the existing Socio-economic article? If you're right, it will soon be apparent a new article is needed. Bondegezou (talk) 07:40, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Oppose. I agree with the above stated recommendations to build out the content within Socio-economic impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak § Stock market. - Wikmoz (talk) 21:51, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Strong support US stock market indices set a new record for fastest time from new highs into correction territory (10% below a recent peak). Overseas, other countries (including China, the origin of the coronavirus) registered similar losses in their respective stock markets. Also, this article is way Wikipedia:TOOBIG. 9March2019 (talk) 23:20, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

The content fits perfectly in Socio-economic impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak § Stock market, which is still one paragraph long and the whole topic is not WP:TOOBIG. The stock market, treasury yields, and commodity prices are at the center of the economic impact of the virus. - Wikmoz (talk) 00:27, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Oppose Expanding it in Socio-economic impact of the 2019-20 coronavirus outbreak instead is enough for now. A stock market article could be spun off in the future from it if it becomes developed enough for that. Sleath56 (talk) 01:31, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Support. On the current trajectory, this will develop into an economic depression. Robertpedley (talk) 21:00, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Support Two times inverted yield curve during the trade war signals a recession is incoming this year. Couple that with a massive possible-pandemic (affecting the world's biggest economies). Well I'm not surprised if this year we go 2008 again or even 1929 again. If we don't need an article about this, there is a huge possibility we will need a page about a monetary crisis.—SquidHomme ^(talk) 01:12, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Support and I am making a draft to see how much can be made about this. If it isn't enough for an article, it can be merged. Help with it would be appreciated as usual. Noah^Talk 23:38, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

• @SquidHomme, Robertpedley, Sleath56, 9March2019, Wikmoz, Ohconfucius, Bondegezou, and Elijahandskip:Draft:2020 stock market selloff - this isn't saying we absolutely need an article, but information can definitely be collected here. We need to see what we have with all of the stuff going on globally. Note if the global banks decide to lower rates (mentioned in recent news articles), that would be a reactory part of this. Noah^Talk 03:44, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Why don't you put any content in the Socio-economic article? It makes no sense to put content in a draft that could go in a live page.

Respect what other editors are saying to you, as per WP:CONSENSUS. Bondegezou (talk) 07:54, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

"We would like to draw your attention to the following important investment warnings:

• The value of shares and investments and the income derived from them can go down as well as up;
• Investors may not get back the amount they invested - losing one's shirt is a real risk;
• Past performance is not a guide to future performance.

YMMV -- Ohc ^¡digame! 10:40, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support but instead of exclusively limiting it to "Stock market", the article could be Financial impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak. Considering central banks have cut rates, stocks have been the most volatile they've been for 10 years or so, and massive government stimuli has been implemented, surely the content available to write can at least fill up a Start/C-class. Juxlos (talk) 10:59, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

In this case, what happens to Socio-economic impact of the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak? - Wikmoz (talk) 04:10, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

• Support. @Elijahandskip: I think a stock market-focused article of the Coronavirus impact can be especially useful if you (a) include the pertinent data from all major exchanges (US, Europe, Asia) including gold and oil, (b) properly correlate and parallel the financial with the epidemiological news/developments in order to best illustrate any reported cause-and-effect phenomena, and (c) properly contrast and compare the current financial-epidemiological situation with past outbreaks (especially the related SARS I and MERS) in order to best illustrate any reported historical patterns, similarities, and trajectories. Also, please don't forget to keep at least one paragraph or small section about this in the main Coronavirus article. History DMZ (talk) 21:47, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
• Support My nose tells me that plotting the inverse Market with the COVID increase will show that the Market precedes COVID, that is, the Market drops ahead of a higher COVID, and rises when COVID slackens a bit. Not meaning to make light of a serious theme, there is precedent of that kind of thing in [[1]] (of course, whaty happens is that the Market gets data, and reacts ahead of the rest of us) YamaPlos talk 16:58, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

• Comment: A DRAFT MAY BE FOUND HERE. It needs serious work to get all the required coverage (to-do list on talk page) and I don't have the time to do it all. Yesterday was quite clearly the definition of a sucker rally and the continual decline of treasury yields is quite alarming (just my analysis). That being said, any future declines in stocks whether a lot at once or small increments (that add up substantially) over time need to be added to this article. Noah^Talk 16:27, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

• Just at a glance, the current article seems to be going too much into details about daily stock market movements and is too focused on the NY exchange. I would recommend compressing the details but expanding the geographical scope. Juxlos (talk) 02:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

• That isn't the case per past articles on stock market selloffs which show the daily movements. As for the other part, that is solely due to a lack of help on the article. The talkpage explicitly states that is something that needs done. Noah^Talk 11:45, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

The stats on recoveries just don't look credible

(2nd post of this as 1st didn't come through)

Recoveries on <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2020_coronavirus_patients_in_China.svg> just don't make sense. The curve is far too perfect and deaths have levelled off weirdly. I'm either misunderstanding or something is plain wrong here. I followed the link back to the stats page <http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/list_gzbd.shtml> which is in Chinese, well no surprise, but the data is not in any machine-legible format I could find (edit: or even HTML table). Something smells off.

Is there any machine-formatted data for this that anyone knows of? Should that data be munged into machine-readability and made available here as well as the graph, as a matter of course? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.102.166 (talk) 15:23, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

This is the main article, so no I don't think we need any more detail than we already have. The subarticle 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak in Mainland China has additional detail including this chart Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data/China medical cases chart. In addition, this is wikipedia, an encyclopaedia. Our purpose is to be read by humans. Machine-readability is not our concern. Try Wikisource:Wikisource or Wikidata:Wikidata:Wikidata. Of course even the graph you mention is an SVG so meets some definitions of machine-readability anyway. And the template, since it's intended to be edited by humans, also has the data in an even more machine-readable format. Nil Einne (talk) 16:36, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

(2nd edit to write this. The first seems to have been removed for some reason)

One of wikipedia's aims is verifiability, so having the data to analyse arguably does matter. And an SVG isn't even close to what I mean.

But that totally neglects the main point which is what wikipedia is saying appears likely to be wrong because it's based on dubious data. Surely you can see that's what I was getting at.

All numbers coming from China are plain lies. There is no point debating them. I actually support having them included on Wikipedia because they are so obviously wrong.--Adûnâi (talk) 17:55, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. The silence on this, and the diminution then removal of a section critical of these statistics - it was starting to unnerve me. Glad I'm not the only one with doubts.

I am not an English native speaker but concerning the same image, instead of "Under treatment (daily)", it should be something different than "(daily)". Otherwise, what is the difference to "Confirmed cases (daily)"? When using the same meaning of "(daily)", there would already be several hundred thousand of infected people with over 30,000 "daily" for the last 20 days. Suggestion: "Under treatment (currently)" and "New confirmed cases (daily)". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 170.247.54.208 (talk) 21:52, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

In theory, an expert could check if the data provided by China fit to general models of epidemics dynamics and things like Herd immunity. Probably someone did it already somewhere. My very best wishes (talk) 05:24, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

In practice this has been done and it didn't fit the model. Also we had a section here (which I mention above) where a proper statistician was quoted giving his opinion. It got removed and when I asked why, no-one responded. What disturbs me much more than China spouting rubbish (it's what they do) is people quietly going along with it.88.108.214.79 (talk) 07:31, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

I strongly concur, in fact I removed the recoveries, which were reinserted after conensus. To quote myself
Surveillance systems are not standardised worldwide, and comparing deaths to recoveries is near impossible at this stage. Hong Kong had many cases and only 2 recoveries from memory. That can't be compared in a graph to other countries - it is very misleading. If you follow my contribs you can see a fair bit of the argument --Almaty (talk) 15:09, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

IMO, the argument holds even more weight, and the situation we are in now, I was predicting. User:Doc James I again proposing removing recoveries for all these reasons. --Almaty (talk) 11:04, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

WHO has looked at this and there is a good overview here.[2]

By the way is the claim that more people have recovered than is listed? Or that these many people have not recovered? :::With respect to recoveries "not looking credible" we are not here to make those sorts of claims. The question is do any reliable sources make those claims? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:12, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I support showing the recovery data. Statistically relevant data from Italy, Iran, etc. will be coming out in the coming days and weeks. Comparison to China will either prove that China was/is messing with its numbers, or that it has better methods for containment. Either way, the comparison is useful.132.68.80.41 (talk) 07:07, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I strongly support looking for primary data as sources from the Mainland should be taken with a handful of salt. --Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝) 07:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Doc James I don't claim either way. I just suggest, strongly as I have since mid feb or earlier, that all recovery data is misleading and not yet encyclopaedic. --Almaty (talk)

Airliners Stop

Can someone do a short statement about the Aircraft Airliners Stop ? I heard 75 % of Cathay Pacific is on floor, Lufthansa did not fly Asia & Italy anymore, Latam does not do Milan, Chinese Airlines seems to be all on floor. Where to find such group of information more precise ? Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiChata (talk • contribs) 22:16, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/coronavirus-what-airlines-cancel-flights-china-south-africa/

https://www.news18.com/news/auto/which-airlines-have-suspended-china-flights-due-to-coronavirus-outbreak-2499751.html

https://www.indiatoday.in/lifestyle/travel/story/coronavirus-scare-complete-list-of-airlines-suspending-flights-1650574-2020-02-27

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wingapluck (talk • contribs) 00:01, 3 March 2020 (UTC) 

(Wingapluck (talk) 23:59, 2 March 2020 (UTC))

I will add a statement to the socioeconomic section. Tsukide (talk) 07:56, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Please, add some of table listing all airlines affected, according those sources lists, so | Airline | Note | Country | City Terminated | Until Date ... many thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiChata (talk • contribs) 12:36, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Please include more Flights cancelled from LH https://www.abendblatt.de/themen/coronavirus/?page=1#fwid1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiChata (talk • contribs) 21:00, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected anti-vandalism request on 3 March 2020

• NOTE from author of plots: Boud and others. I spend an hour each day updating the semi-log plots. The Chinese data are easy. I only need to translate http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/yqtb/list_gzbd.shtml And their errors are few. Even they sometimes correct the previous days numbers! The world data are a nightmare. My only way of matching daily BNO news counts (https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/) is to track each country and check that the totals match the BNO numbers. BNO updates in real time - they don't give a daily total - and sometimes BNO correct numbers reported a day or two in the past. It's a nightmare! Trends in real time data comparing Hubei, rest-of-China and ROW matter. For example, they already show daily cases in ROW dominate those in China. They will soon show daily deaths in ROW dominate China. In late March they are likely to show TOTAL cases and deaths in ROW dominate China. The detailed country comparisons, which I have but don't plot, are useful to see the regional spread of disease. In the real world I am a biostatistician analysing coronavirus survival and recovery and offering advice about policy to save peoples lives - lots of people. I CANNOT afford the time to undo repeated vandalism of the semi-log plots. I'll repeat this in other parts of the discussion section so it's clear. This "hobby" takes time away from saving lives.Galerita (talk) 00:06, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Galerita what is the ask here? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:26, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Doc James. The semi-log graphs have been edited out on two occasions and I have had to manually restore them. I'm not a proficient Wikipedia editor so restoring what I see as vandalism is is painstaking. Undo doesn't work because other changes have been made in the mean time. The semi-log plots are time consuming to prepare, well at least the data collection is, taking a bit over an hour a day. This is because the Rest-of-the-World data comes in piecemeal and has to be carefully checked and rechecked by country to identify discrepancies. So I'm asking that it not be so easy to edit out the work I have contributed. Is there some setting that forces a discussion before a single editor arbitrarily removes something.Galerita (talk) 11:13, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

User:Galerita there is no simple way. Will keep an eye on it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:04, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Doc James Thanks Galerita (talk) 01:35, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Criticism of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

The US government, including CDC, have received fair criticism, which is being developed under United States government. I see there is now a new section dedicated to criticism of the CDC:

2019–20 coronavirus outbreak § Center for Disease Control and Prevention

The Center for Disease Control of the United States has been widely criticized for a number of problems and failings in its approach to the novel coronavirus outbreaks. Among the issues include: a large number of faulty coronavirus test kits sent out to localities throughout the United States, a "woefully" low number of tests being done (3600 as opposed to over 65000 in South Korea, a country with a smaller population) and contamination of the lab dealing with the new coronavirus... The CDC was also surrounded in controversy after a suspected patient who was refused a test by the CDC later turned out to be positive for SARS-CoV-2...

Firstly, can or should the content here be moderated a bit? Secondly, should the section be made subordinate to the United States government?

- Wikmoz (talk) 04:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

For now, I'd say putting it under US government would be fine enough. It's only if there's a later plethora of passages specifically targeting the CDC that it may need to be split as in the case of Hubei and the central CCP. Sleath56 (talk) 04:43, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

The CDC is acting independently of the governments: for example, a problem that was pointed out with the Japanese response was how Japan didn't have a CDC and hence the response was managed by political leaders. The US government section seems to focus mostly on the response of the government itself and budget issues, though it's far from clear that these CDC problems were to do with funding. I personally view the problem to be a cultural/structural issue relating to the CDC rather than something to do with the US government directly. Tsukide (talk) 07:51, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Tsukide, I see that you created the section. I think you highlight some real issues. However, the section really reads like it was written by someone who has an opinion on the subject. It doesn't read like an encyclopedia entry impartially chronicling the criticism. The CDC has its own issues but it is part of the U.S. federal government. - Wikmoz (talk) 00:39, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

This section needs to be merged with or made subordinate to the US Government section, as the CDC is a US Government agency. Also, the US Government section itself requires significant clean-up. Specifically, the reports regarding cuts in CDC funding have been investigated and are inaccurate, as discussed here: https://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/democrats-misleading-coronavirus-claims/ The tone of the US Government Criticism section also reads more like an Op-Ed than an encyclopedia article. Also, the text regarding the deaths in WA state that appears in the "US Government" section should be moved to the US "Domestic Response" section, and definitely should not appear here, in the "criticisms" section.

Also, the United States government section has claims regarding the "80% cut" which need to be cleaned up. Specifically, this news report [[3]] clearly ties the identified program cuts to the expiration of funding earmarked the Ebola Crisis--which both the CDC and WHO have declared is "ended" [[4]]. Including information about the expiration of funding for an unrelated and resolved epidemic in an article about COVID-19 is misleading, as it implies the Global Disease Detection (GDD) program itself was cut. In reality, overall funding for this program has gone up in past FY's: [[5]] As written, this section is misleading and inaccurate. (NoExcuseForSloppiness) —Preceding undated comment added 18:12, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I see the section has been moved under United States governement, which is great. The content I think in all of these sections needs work.

@Doc James, Dekimasu, and Mikael Häggström: Should we drop a {{POV section|date=March 2020}} flag in the Criticism of Responses section? Or is that too drastic? - Wikmoz (talk) 07:48, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Informal requested move to "Coronavirus outbreak"

Per the spanish flu precedent. Although it is my instinct to be pedantic and want "COVID-19 outbreak" or "Coronavirus disease 2019 outbreak" I doubt those will gain traction. This is the commonest name, and in fact what has been on the front page updated in February. --Almaty (talk) 12:58, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

for clarity as nom I weakly support "coronavirus outbreak" and strongly support "COVID-19 outbreak", but this is the question I'm informally asking today. --Almaty (talk) 13:02, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Also I would follow spanish flu and say "The outbreak of COVID-19, colloquially known as the coronavirus outbreak..." or similar --Almaty (talk) 13:33, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

There have been multiple coronavirus outbreaks (SARS and MERS being two others) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:22, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Ambiguity: as Doc James pointed out, there were other coronavirus outbreaks, and MERS is ongoing (but started earlier than 2019).

Too early: The head of WHO is still hoping for "containment"; in ten months' time, the development of treatment medications and vaccines and their mass use is reasonably likely to reduce the lethality of the outbreak/pandemic (even though the head of WHO is being conservative and stating 12-18 months); and in ten months' time, I would be surprised if the media still case this an "outbreak" rather than an "epidemic" or a "pandemic", no matter how much WHO discourages the use of "pandemic". Personally, it seems to me ridiculous to continue calling this an "outbreak", but I see no point in proposing a name change away from "outbreak": expending editing energy into a name change proposal would be a distraction. I would suggest waiting at least six months - until Sep/Oct or so 2020 - before considering a title change, unless WHO decides to officially use the word "pandemic". Boud (talk) 17:40, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, can't read past this without commenting - I see that your critical of the WHO's language, but I'm not aware of anyone (who is in the know) seriously talking of containing this. I mean, even the UK government (absolute shambles that that is..) is making clear that in all likelyhood we're going to see a first peak (in the northern hemisphere) this summer, and probably with around every second person infected... (jaw dropping as that admission / fact is in many ways).

So - I guess I just wanted to say that its going to take far less than till September for this thing to really strike terror into people (more due to the economic impacts than anything else I guess, but that's just my estimate), and to have a name that is going to stick. Regards Sean Heron (talk) 23:04, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Agree. This name is good enough and we have better things to work on. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:49, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Good, as stated, I agree.. Can I sound out COVID-19 outbreak as succinct, precise and the most common name that is not ambiguous? --Almaty (talk)

I'm partial to any name changes. My tendency is to agree with Doc James - the name changes your suggesting seem more cosmetic than substantial to me (sure it would be nice to have a shorter name, but is it really important? The current one seems to have a good balance of precision and commonness, I think). Regards Sean Heron (talk) 23:04, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Edit United States Confirmed Numbers

I believe the numbers in the chart are outdated, citing the numbers from this page and the John Hopkins map. It might be unreliable so I'm asking the community for help. MJVAccount (talk) 13:13, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Is this Template:2019–20 coronavirus outbreak data the chart you mean? Well you should go edit the numbers there. Good lock doing that because the people there aren't so welcoming.—SquidHomme ^(talk) 13:34, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

What source do you want to use? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

The numbers have already been updated. I've wanted to use this source but it seems it has been just used recently. MJVAccount (talk) 13:55, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Is there a biological reason for the higher mortality rates in the USA and Iran than other countries or is it just due to the substandard healthcare that's generally available to poor people? 64.231.91.97 (talk) 23:26, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I assume you're calculating (number of deaths) / (number of cases). That's hard to compare across different countries due to all sorts of factors, including differences in how aggressively people are tested for the virus. But in any case, in the United States most of the deaths occurred from an outbreak at a nursing home/rehabilitation center in Washington state, so many of those infected had previous medical conditions. Since the total number of U.S. cases is still relatively small (around 150 compared to thousands in some countries), one outbreak among people more vulnerable to the disease can have a big effect on the statistics.

For Iran, see the article 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Iran; essentially many experts have questioned Iran's officially reported data. 68.7.103.137 (talk) 01:26, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

new cases

Detected cases in Argentina and Chile

One case of a man in Argentina and one case of another man in Chile. Update information, please! --PetrixImmanol (talk) 20:20, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

these mortality rates are a complete farce. When last month they reported 2%, it was the actual dead vs the actual total cases, even though 70% of cases were unresolved. As they resolved , the rate has naturally increases. Today they are reporting 3.4% which again assumes that EVERY unrecovered case recovers. If you take the resolved cases of 54K (recovered + deceased) the number is about 6% , which means the death rate is bound to increase. What we are seeing is a natural mortality about equal to SARS but with better health care systems (especially in China) . In Iran for example, almost a quarter of cases have died. Gegu0284 (talk) 04:12, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Belarus confirmed cases data.

Not sure how to edit the table in the article, so someone, please, update it. It's 4 confirmed cases now in Belarus, not 1: http://minzdrav.gov.by/ru/sobytiya/o-rezultatakh-testirovaniya-patsientov-na-koronavirus/ It's a government source. "Google translate" would do the job, I suppose. -- Nicholas Velasquez (talk) 21:34, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

New case in Liechtenstein

Source: https://www.volksblatt.li/nachrichten/Liechtenstein/Vermischtes%20highlighted/vb/247067/in-der-schweiz-angesteckt-erster-positiver-fall-in-liechtenstein

They came from Switzerland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:69D9:B800:A97D:A964:81AE:7D1F (talk) 23:43, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

@Doc James, Dekimasu, and Mikael Häggström: Changing the language to Case Fatality Rate or mortality Rate is original research . The WHO mortality rate is itself farcicle. When 2.3% of all cases had died they claimed a mortality rate of 2.3% though 70% of cases were unresolved. Today when 54k cases are resolved (of which 6% have died) they are saying 3.4%. This number would be the correct mortality rate if EVERY active case recovered. They have used the language that "Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died", specifically to avoid this issue. We cannot turn this into a mortality rate, CFR or other interpretation. 3.4% of all cases has died, but 50% of all cases are still active Gegu0284 (talk) 06:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

The order of columns in the graph Cases in China

The order of partial columns should be from the bottom: Deaths, Recoveries, Under Treatment. The reason is that Death and Recoveries reflect the situation certain time back and can be compared to the sum of diagnosed people some time back. The subcolumn Under Treatment represent mainly younger cases and should be on the top. Smutny (talk) 21:35, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I disagree. The current arrangement lets you see at a glance the course of the epidemic in China: the number of active cases peaked in mid-February and has been declining steadily since (according to the Chinese government). Putting the yellow on top would require a bit of effort to get that, by estimating the changing height of that segment of cases while both its top and bottom are drastically changing.

—WWoods (talk) 02:01, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

There are other problems with that graph (see [[6]]) which include my complaint about these columns being arbitrarily reordered, and another's plaint about it possibly not representing the underlying stats. The creator of that graph has not responded to the questions on this despite producing a new graph apparently with the same possible faults.

I tentatively propose this graph be discarded as unreliable. Feedback? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.218.161 (talk) 08:38, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Edit: further discussion [[7]]. I am strongly coming to believe this graph should be removed.

Coronavirus death rate at 3.4%

In the lead paragraph it states "WHO updated the mortality rate to 3.4%, giving it a higher fatality rate than seasonal flu, which has a mortality rate of 2%." The linked article does not say that seasonal flu has a mortality rate of "2%", it says "In comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected, he said." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.149.140 (talk) 00:48, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I've removed the following sentence from the lead pending discussion:

WHO estimates the mortality rate at 3.4% as of 3 March 2020, giving it a higher fatality rate than seasonal influenza, which has a mortality rate of 1%. (citation)

As noted, the seasonal influenza death rate is not 1%, it's 0.1% (at least in the United States). Further, from what I've read, the numbers are heavily skewed by early deaths in Wuhan. NPR recently published a good summary of death statistics showing a dramatic decline in deaths. We should present the death rate in a more nuanced manner.

- Wikmoz (talk) 05:22, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

@Doc James, Dekimasu, and Mikael Häggström: any thoughts on a clearer way to phrase? Or just correct the influenza number and restore it as is? Just seems needlessly scary and incorrect though to leave out the big caveat about the post-Wuhan statistics. - Wikmoz (talk) 05:37, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

The exact quote is "Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected."

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---3-march-2020

I would simple summarize it as "WHO estimates the mortality rate at 3.4% as of 3 March 2020, giving it a higher fatality rate than seasonal influenza."

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:45, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

First, the 2% flu figure is clearly incorrect. As has been pointed out previously, though, a mortality rate is a measure across the whole population. What we are going for is something about the case fatality rate, which using clearer language here would result in something like "WHO estimates the percentage of patients who diehave died from COVID-19 at...." or the like. Dekimasuよ! 05:57, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Do we not need to qualify the number as including Wuhan deaths that skew the numbers? I guess if the WHO didn't feel the need to do that, it's fine. However, all of the subsequent cohort studies show substantially lower rates. Diamond Princess having an 0.8% mortality rate of those infected. This WHO statement and NPR chart and Medscape article do a good job of explaining the drop.

WHO estimates the COVID-19 case fatality rate at 3.4% as of 3 March 2020, giving it a significantly higher fatality rate than seasonal influenza. (citation) However, the rate is seen to be falling following the initial outbreak in Wuhan. (citation) - Wikmoz (talk) 06:23, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I do not have much of an opinion as to whether this should actually be added. I have edited my phrase above to clarify that this is a "to-date" thing. Dekimasuよ! 06:38, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I guess the counterargument is that the cChina CDC stats are unreliable and we should just report the official WHO number without editorializing. - Wikmoz (talk) 06:34, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

We could say "About 3.4% of reported COVID-19 ases as of March 3rd 2020 have died" Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 06:40, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

@Doc James, Dekimasu, and Mikael Häggström: Changing the language to Case Fatality Rate or mortality Rate is original research . The WHO mortality rate is itself farcicle. When 2.3% of all cases had died they claimed a mortality rate of 2.3% though 70% of cases were unresolved. Today when 54k cases are resolved (of which 6% have died) they are saying 3.4%. This number would be the correct mortality rate if EVERY active case recovered. They have used the language that "Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died", specifically to avoid this issue. We cannot turn this into a mortality rate, CFR or other interpretation. 3.4% of all cases has died, but 50% of all cases are still active Gegu0284 (talk) 06:43, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I found the source data in 03 March Situation Report. The number is 3.4% globaly (3,112/90,870), 3.7% in China (2,946/80,304), and 1.6% outside of China (166/10,566). So how about something like:

As of 3 March 2020, WHO data shows the percentage of patients who have died from COVID-19 is 3.4% globally (1.6% outside of China). (citation 1) (citation 2) - Wikmoz (talk) 06:55, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

I think everyone went to sleep. To preempt someone else misrepresenting the data, I ran with the above text. It appears under 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak § Deaths. Feel free to edit further as you see fit when you're back online. - Wikmoz (talk) 07:50, 4 March 2020 (UTC

As I have since January, I strongly oppose any mention of a "death rate" without at least 3 qualifiers. There is no "death rate" known. --Almaty (talk) 10:46, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2020

When discussing the root causes of the virus, the financial crime expert Veit Bütterlin argued that viruses which crossed over from wild animals often relate to illegal wildlife trafficking which is mainly orchestrated by organized crime groups which are bribing officials and launder the proceeds of a sizable black market for illegal wildlife products. 109.40.130.158 (talk) 08:38, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

References

the "about" pop-up says that it is a student project. Robertpedley (talk) 08:01, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

 Not done No reliable sources given. Mgasparin (talk) 09:48, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Fair reason is needed for revert

Material that doesn't add more info into the article (most of them are fake news were published by Biased sources) and was removed per disscusion was reverted with no fair reasons. @Almaty: Can I ask you to leave a comment? Thanks!Saff V. (talk) 09:17, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

It is only you who thinks that material "doesn't add more info into the article". All sources are perfectly reliable and correct, the result of the linked discussion is not a "remove" consensus to me. Your reversions and lies here and on 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Iran alarmingly suggest a relationship between you and the Iranian government. Think twice before making any further step with this respect. MS 会話 15:36, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Main chart bug

With "Last 10 days" and "February" options it displays all days of February and March but with "Last 10 days" and "March" options it displays only 7 days from February. Not to mention this whole idea of hiding parts is lame in my opinion. I am a programmer but it seems not so easy to revert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IHaveBecauseOfLocks (talk • contribs) 09:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Add coronamapper.com in the maps

Coronamapper.com contains information that no other map has: infected, cured and death per million inhabitants, new confirmed case growth and many more.

Coronamapper.com - Detailed statistics on the virus spread — Preceding unsigned comment added by Montetennis (talk • contribs) 09:41, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

their ok--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:40, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Consistency!

Every day I come to see the graphs in this article, and just about every day the format, or their accessibility, has changed. Is this a case of 'too many cooks spoil the broth', or is it editors trying to fix non-existent problems? Regardless, the whole thing is frustrating. Today I can't find the detailed China breakdown. When I did find the template, much of the earlier data was missing. Come on! Lets have some consistency here. 5.81.164.49 (talk) 11:14, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Agreed, but it's been noted before. Why some graph format keep changing is an interesting question in itself. Please see[[8]] and your thoughts welcome. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.108.211 (talk) 11:29, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Apologies. I didn't see that you'd already raised the issue. I see the big graph is now back. It just needs a little tweak so that the "Last 10 Days" option clears the "Jan", "Feb" and "March" options. I guess someone will come along shortly. What would be really good here - similar graphs for S.Korea, Italy and Iran. Obviously it would be too much for the main article page, but links to such graphs would be enormously helpful. 5.81.164.49 (talk) 12:24, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

The reason is not because the data isn't reliable, its because the general reader can make incorrect or misleading inferences from any graph. This is why I now always suggest that the graphs have to be replications of medrs compatible content, rather than graphs from raw data. --Almaty (talk) 12:57, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

OK, there are too many questions about this graph; it's accurate representation of the values, whether those values are indeed reliable, whether the graph is ambiguous - should it be deleted or not? Cos I say yes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.108.211 (talk) 19:20, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

There are indeed many questions about most graphs. I hope that new graphs are made that replicate the format and content of WP:MEDRS compatible sources. Not just using excel or wiki code to graph raw data from the agencies, replicating a meaningful graph published in reliable sources. Because the general reader may infer much from these graphs that reliable sources don't use. --Almaty (talk) 12:29, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

More confirmed uk cases

Uk cases to 85

(https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51741001)

2A01:388:205:156:0:0:1:242 (talk) 14:25, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, the mad panic continues. I guess someone will be along soon to update the table. 5.81.164.49 (talk) 14:41, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Isn't there a way of giving wikipedia a table of raw data and have it graph it for you in any assortment of way? It must be possible, for such a sophisticated system that simply has to be there somewhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.75.108.211 (talk) 15:16, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

First case

First case is in Poland but the non-animated map has it and Italy cases now rose up to 2058 people affected with the virus. 2A00:23C5:9489:6901:28B0:9414:BB61:9A7D (talk) 16:32, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

yes--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 23:06, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2020

Change number of infected people in Iceland from 16 to 26. Reference: https://www.landlaeknir.is/um-embaettid/frettir/frett/item39455/frettatilkynning-vegna-covid-19-a-islandi this is the official site of the Directorate of health in Iceland and as such is the most reliable information available for the country. 194.144.176.48 (talk) 17:31, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Mgasparin (talk) 09:46, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Duplication of content

2020 coronavirus patients in China

COVID-19 cases in Mainland China  ()
     Deaths        Recoveries        Tested        Clinically diagnosed (C.D.)        Tested or C.D.

20192019202020202021202120222022

DecDec

JanJanFebFebMarMarAprAprMayMayJunJunJulJulAugAugSepSepOctOctNovNovDecDec

JanJanFebFebMarMarAprAprMayMayJunJunJulJulAugAugSepSepOctOctNovNovDecDec

JanJan

Last 15 daysLast 15 days

Date			Number of cases (excluding C.D.)	Number of cases (including C.D.)
2019-12-31				27(n.a.)
⋮				27(=)
2020-01-03				44(+63%)
2020-01-04				44(=)
2020-01-05				59(+34%)
⋮				59(=)
2020-01-10			41(n.a.)
2020-01-11			41(=)
2020-01-12			41(=)
⋮			41(=)
2020-01-15			41(=)
2020-01-16			45(+9.8%)
2020-01-17			62(+38%)
2020-01-18			121(+95%)
2020-01-19			198(+64%)
2020-01-20			291(+47%)
2020-01-21			440(+51%)
2020-01-22			571(+30%)
2020-01-23			830(+45%)
2020-01-24			1,287(+55%)
2020-01-25			1,975(+53%)
2020-01-26			2,744(+39%)
2020-01-27			4,515(+65%)
2020-01-28			5,974(+32%)
2020-01-29			7,711(+29%)
2020-01-30			9,692(+26%)
2020-01-31			11,791(+22%)
2020-02-01			14,380(+22%)
2020-02-02			17,205(+20%)
2020-02-03			20,438(+19%)
2020-02-04			24,324(+19%)
2020-02-05			28,018(+15%)
2020-02-06			31,161(+11%)
2020-02-07			34,546(+11%)
2020-02-08			37,198(+7.7%)
2020-02-09			40,171(+8%)
2020-02-10			42,638(+6.1%)	48,315(n.a.)
2020-02-11			44,653(+4.7%)	55,220(+14%)
2020-02-12			46,472(+4.1%)	58,761(+6.4%)
2020-02-13			48,467(+4.3%)	63,851(+8.7%)
2020-02-14			49,970(+3.1%)	66,492(+4.1%)
2020-02-15			51,091(+2.2%)	68,500(+3.0%)
2020-02-16				70,548(+3.0%)
2020-02-17				72,436(+2.7%)
2020-02-18				74,185(+2.4%)
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2020-03-29				81,470(+0.04%)
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2020-04-06				81,740(+0.04%)
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2020-04-20				82,758(+0.01%)
2020-04-21				82,788(+0.04%)
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2020-04-23				82,804(+0.01%)
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2020-04-26				82,830(=)
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2020-04-29				82,862(=)
2020-04-30				82,874(+0.01%)
2020-05-01				82,875(=)
2020-05-02				82,877(=)
2020-05-03				82,880(=)
2020-05-04				82,881(=)
2020-05-05				82,883(=)
2020-05-06				82,885(=)
2020-05-07				82,886(=)
2020-05-08				82,887(=)
2020-05-09				82,901(+0.02%)
2020-05-10				82,918(+0.02%)
2020-05-11				82,919(=)
2020-05-12				82,926(+0.01%)
2020-05-13				82,929(=)
2020-05-14				82,933(=)
2020-05-15				82,941(+0.01%)
2020-05-16				82,947(+0.01%)
2020-05-17				82,954(+0.01%)
2020-05-18				82,960(+0.01%)
2020-05-19				82,965(+0.01%)
2020-05-20				82,967(=)
2020-05-21				82,971(=)
2020-05-22				82,971(=)
2020-05-23				82,974(=)
2020-05-24				82,985(+0.01%)
2020-05-25				82,992(+0.01%)
2020-05-26				82,993(=)
2020-05-27				82,995(=)
2020-05-28				82,995(=)
2020-05-29				82,999(=)
2020-05-30				83,001(=)
2020-05-31				83,017(+0.02%)
2020-06-01				83,022(+0.01%)
2020-06-02				83,021(=)
2020-06-03				83,022(=)
2020-06-04				83,027(+0.01%)
2020-06-05				83,030(=)
2020-06-06				83,036(+0.01%)
2020-06-07				83,040(=)
2020-06-08				83,043(=)
2020-06-09				83,046(=)
2020-06-10				83,057(+0.01%)
2020-06-11				83,064(+0.01%)
2020-06-12				83,075(+0.01%)
2020-06-13				83,132(+0.07%)
2020-06-14				83,181(+0.06%)
2020-06-15				83,221(+0.05%)
2020-06-16				83,265(+0.05%)
2020-06-17				83,293(+0.03%)
2020-06-18				83,325(+0.04%)
2020-06-19				83,352(+0.03%)
2020-06-20				83,378(+0.03%)
2020-06-21				83,396(+0.02%)
2020-06-22				83,418(+0.03%)
2020-06-23				83,430(+0.01%)
2020-06-24				83,449(+0.02%)
2020-06-25				83,462(+0.02%)
2020-06-26				83,483(+0.03%)
2020-06-27				83,500(+0.02%)
2020-06-28				83,512(+0.01%)
2020-06-29				83,531(+0.02%)
2020-06-30				83,534(=)
2020-07-01				83,537(=)
2020-07-02				83,542(+0.01%)
2020-07-03				83,545(=)
2020-07-04				83,553(+0.01%)
2020-07-05				83,557(=)
2020-07-06				83,565(+0.01%)
2020-07-07				83,572(+0.01%)
2020-07-08				83,581(+0.01%)
2020-07-09				83,585(=)
2020-07-10				83,587(=)
2020-07-11				83,594(+0.01%)
2020-07-12				83,602(+0.01%)
2020-07-13				83,605(=)
2020-07-14				83,611(+0.01%)
2020-07-15				83,612(=)
2020-07-16				83,622(+0.01%)
2020-07-17				83,644(+0.03%)
2020-07-18				83,660(+0.02%)
2020-07-19				83,682(+0.03%)
2020-07-20				83,693(+0.01%)
2020-07-21				83,707(+0.02%)
2020-07-22				83,729(+0.03%)
2020-07-23				83,750(+0.03%)
2020-07-24				83,784(+0.04%)
2020-07-25				83,830(+0.05%)
2020-07-26				83,891(+0.07%)
2020-07-27				83,959(+0.08%)
2020-07-28				84,060(+0.12%)
2020-07-29				84,165(+0.12%)
2020-07-30				84,292(+0.15%)
2020-07-31				84,337(+0.05%)
2020-08-01				84,385(+0.06%)
2020-08-02				84,428(+0.05%)
2020-08-03				84,464(+0.04%)
2020-08-04				84,491(+0.03%)
2020-08-05				84,528(+0.04%)
2020-08-06				84,565(+0.04%)
2020-08-07				84,596(+0.04%)
2020-08-08				84,619(+0.03%)
2020-08-09				84,668(+0.06%)
2020-08-10				84,712(+0.05%)
2020-08-11				84,737(+0.03%)
2020-08-12				84,756(+0.02%)
2020-08-13				84,786(+0.04%)
2020-08-14				84,808(+0.03%)
2020-08-15				84,827(+0.02%)
2020-08-16				84,849(+0.03%)
2020-08-17				84,871(+0.03%)
2020-08-18				84,888(+0.02%)
2020-08-19				84,895(+0.01%)
2020-08-20				84,917(+0.03%)
2020-08-21				84,939(+0.03%)
2020-08-22				84,951(+0.01%)
2020-08-23				84,967(+0.02%)
2020-08-24				84,981(+0.02%)
2020-08-25				84,996(+0.02%)
2020-08-26				85,004(+0.01%)
2020-08-27				85,013(+0.01%)
2020-08-28				85,022(+0.01%)
2020-08-29				85,031(+0.01%)
2020-08-30				85,048(+0.02%)
2020-08-31				85,058(+0.01%)
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2020-09-02				85,077(+0.01%)
2020-09-03				85,102(+0.03%)
2020-09-04				85,112(+0.01%)
2020-09-05				85,122(+0.01%)
2020-09-06				85,134(+0.01%)
2020-09-07				85,144(+0.01%)
2020-09-08				85,146(=)
2020-09-09				85,153(+0.01%)
2020-09-10				85,168(+0.02%)
2020-09-11				85,174(+0.01%)
2020-09-12				85,184(+0.01%)
2020-09-13				85,194(+0.01%)
2020-09-14				85,202(+0.01%)
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2020-09-16				85,223(+0.01%)
2020-09-17				85,255(+0.04%)
2020-09-18				85,269(+0.02%)
2020-09-19				85,279(+0.01%)
2020-09-20				85,291(+0.01%)
2020-09-21				85,297(+0.01%)
2020-09-22				85,307(+0.01%)
2020-09-23				85,314(+0.01%)
2020-09-24				85,322(+0.01%)
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2020-09-27				85,372(+0.02%)
2020-09-28				85,384(+0.01%)
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2020-09-30				85,414(+0.01%)
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2020-10-04				85,470(+0.02%)
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2020-10-14				85,622(+0.01%)
2020-10-15				85,646(+0.03%)
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2020-10-17				85,672(+0.02%)
2020-10-18				85,685(+0.02%)
2020-10-19				85,704(+0.02%)
2020-10-20				85,715(+0.01%)
2020-10-21				85,729(+0.02%)
2020-10-22				85,747(+0.02%)
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2020-10-24				85,790(+0.02%)
2020-10-25				85,810(+0.02%)
2020-10-26				85,826(+0.02%)
2020-10-27				85,868(+0.05%)
2020-10-28				85,915(+0.05%)
2020-10-29				85,940(+0.03%)
2020-10-30				85,973(+0.04%)
2020-10-31				85,997(+0.03%)
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2020-11-02				86,070(+0.06%)
2020-11-03				86,087(+0.02%)
2020-11-04				86,115(+0.03%)
2020-11-05				86,151(+0.04%)
2020-11-06				86,184(+0.04%)
2020-11-07				86,212(+0.03%)
2020-11-08				86,245(+0.04%)
2020-11-09				86,267(+0.03%)
2020-11-10				86,284(+0.02%)
2020-11-11				86,299(+0.02%)
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2022-01-30				106,073(+0.05%)
2022-01-31				106,139(+0.06%)
From 10 February 2020 onwards, the data includes the cases in Hubei that were not tested for the virus but clinically diagnosed based on medical imaging showing signs of pneumonia. The lab-tested data was also separately available for 10–15 February 2020. Data from 16 February 2020 onwards did not include a separate number of lab-tested cases. From 19 February 2020 onwards, only new lab-tested cases were counted towards the total (but clinically diagnosed cases counted earlier were not discarded). On 17 April 2020, following the Wuhan government's issuance of a report on accounting for COVID-19 deaths that occurred at home that went previously unreported, as well as the subtraction of deaths that were previously double-counted by different hospitals, the NHC revised their cumulative totals dating to 16 April, adding 325 cumulative cases and 1,290 deaths. Data sourced from NHC daily reports. (In another link before January 25, on Wuhan MHC website before January 10)

These two show the same thing. We do not need both in this article. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 17:48, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Agreed. I would keep the first and drop the second. Bondegezou (talk) 19:32, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

agree as well--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Definitely agree --Almaty (talk) 05:43, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Error and inconsistency in figures

There is an arithmetic error and inconsistency in the epidemic confirmed case table. BlackSun2104 (talk) 18:35, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Yup. Numbers changes so quickly. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:02, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Required correction

The global tally of confirmed cases for COVID-19 need to be changed. BlackSun2104 (talk) 18:39, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

We're getting to the point soon when agencies are going to stop bothering counting cases. It looks like this will be a pandemic that sweeps around the world, infecting billions. The precise numbers of cases or deaths doesn't matter, so maybe we should stop worrying about them, stop worrying about trying to do a running tally. That's not what makes a good encyclopaedia article (WP:NOTNEWS). Bondegezou (talk) 19:29, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

As a bit of context, Australia's health care systems still count case notifications of influenza as well as numerous other conditions - its called a surveillance system, most countries do it all the time in the background. --Almaty (talk) 00:17, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Yes, but no-one thinks that's accurate, that that is the actual number of flu cases. Bondegezou (talk) 07:47, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

looking to far into the future here tho User:Bondegezou - this is some of the most active surveillance the world has ever known. As you know, I believe that most "cases" and "deaths" will remain to be credible and reliable for some time, but not recoveries. But as we agree, we are doing the encyclopaedia a disservice to put the raw data from the agencies in graphical format when that format doesn't directly replicate a format that has been published in a WP:MEDRS compatible source. --Almaty (talk) 12:32, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Confirmed cases in Greece have reached nine (9).
Please update the number on the 2019–20 coronavirus outbreak by country and territory table that is on the topic homepage.
It is verified from the 15^th reference on the 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Greece page. --ContentReliability (talk) 20:28, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2020

Hello, Romania is now at 6 CONFIRMED CASES of COVID-19 https://www.digi24.ro/stiri/actualitate/informatii-oficiale-despre-coronavirus-ministerul-de-interne-26-de-persoane-sunt-in-carantina-2077-sunt-monitorizate-la-domiciliu-1266261 Lucastefan123 (talk) 19:14, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

References

 Done Mgasparin (talk) 09:45, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

First case in Slovenia

• Information to be added or removed: Add Slovenia to the epidemiology table
• Explanation of issue: One infection has been confirmed by Slovenia's prime minister Marjan Šarec on Twitter.
• References supporting change: https://twitter.com/sarecmarjan/status/1235296264268451840

RStular (talk) 20:41, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Thanks!! Mgasparin (talk) 09:44, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Table Correction _ Germany 262 | Brasil 3 | Hamburg 5

Discrepancies Koch Institute must consider for HH more, 5, not only 3 Sources: https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Fallzahlen.html You can put Brasil 4 / 588 cases https://g1.globo.com/sp/sao-paulo/noticia/2020/03/04/ministerio-da-saude-confirma-terceiro-paciente-com-coronavirus-em-sp-um-quarto-caso-aguarda-contraprova.ghtml Hamburg https://www.abendblatt.de/themen/coronavirus/?page=1#fwid1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiChata (talk • contribs) 20:58, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

James Bond Films, Concert & Trade Fairs Postponed or Cancelled

https://www.abendblatt.de/themen/coronavirus/?page=1#fwid1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiChata (talk • contribs) 21:08, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

BMW FIZ Infected - 150 Workers under Quarentine

Under Economic Section, the Engineering Department of Automobile Constructor had a positive Case in which all was evacuated and sterilised under dubious handle. München is the 2nd city in Germany affected, initiated at Webasto https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayern/weitere-corona-faelle-in-bayern-auch-bmw-betroffen,Rs4roqI — Preceding unsigned comment added by WikiChata (talk • contribs) 21:54, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Coronavirus origin in infobox

Note: This is related to the individual country articles (e.g., 2020 coronavirus outbreak in Switzerland), but since it relates to all of them, I though it was worth asking the question at the most relevant, centralized place.

The IP 87.8.124.110 just went through a bunch of country articles and changed/added the origin to Wuhan, China. Previously, the ones that already had one had the origin of their first case, e.g. in Switzerland, their first confirmed case was a person that traveled into the country from Milan, Italy, and consequently that was listed as the origin. I think the latter (e.g., Milan, Italy for Switzerland article) is most useful and makes more sense, since the section just above in the infobox is the date of the first documented case in the country (not the date of the first confirmed case of the virus in the world). However, what's correct? Is it the first origin of the virus (Wuhan, China; as promoted by 87.8.124.110) or is it the earlier version where it was the origin of the exact first documented case in each country? Whatever the case, it should be done consistently throughout all the articles. 62.107.211.90 (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2020 - Amend reference to the virus to reflect the correct naming of the virus as distinct from the resultant disease

Under the heading "hand washing" change the reference to the "Covid 19" to "SARS-CoV-2" the correct name of the virus which causes the Covid 19 disease, or otherwise edit the text to indicate that Covid 19 is the disease resulting from the virus and that hand washing may help prevent the spread of "SARS-CoV-2" (despite the fact that the virus is in large part spread via the air-borne mechanism). 2A01:4B00:EA57:A700:79E9:9811:2CE4:B74A (talk) 23:15, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Changed to have name of virus instead of the disease Mkwia (talk) 02:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Estimates / Projection - missing ?

Hi everyone, sometime between mid February (I guess during a reshuffle / reorganisation) the epidemiology subsection on "estimates" (tame as that was) got lost. For what I'm talking about, see eg - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2019%E2%80%9320_coronavirus_outbreak&oldid=940935841#Estimates .

I wouldn't have noticed, but with the UK government (and various top health officials eg of Wales and Scotland) describing a (first) peak of infections for this summer, and a possibly very high attack rate (80% being given as the max estimate), I was thinking these projections are starting to be valid for inclusion in the article (and if you ask me, the lead as well). Won't get round to being BOLD right now, so thought I'd throw out a bone and see what other people here think ! Regards Sean Heron (talk) 23:44, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Whilst there are valid estimates, I think we need to follow the WHO's lead on that one because of the global outlook of the page. Also many estimates are expert opinion AFAIK, so need to follow WP:MEDRS --Almaty (talk)

I would really like to see information on expert modelling/projection of the novel coronavirus outbreak discussed somewhere on this page, or in a dedicated article. I don't think it violates WP:CRYSTAL or other policies because the article would not be making claims about the future, it would be discussing claims made by others. Wikipedia has plenty of articles on climate change projections, so this should be allowed. Maybe there are specific rules for reliability of health-related sources, but that shouldn't be a barrier to including any info at all about projections. 72.209.60.95 (talk) 05:51, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand Almaty - at first I thought you'd misunderstood my point or were answering at the wrong section (cause it sounded to me like you were discussing whether the outbreak should be called "pandemic" or not). On rereading, I can see you are talking about an estimate section, but I don't really understand your point, sorry. The "opinions" I was referring to are both by top health officials, and based on modelling by the scientific community (the models I saw were published on MedarXiv 2 weeks ago - dunno if they've been published in a journal yet). Regards Sean Heron (talk) 08:55, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

P.S. If the WHO has projections saying this is not going to peak in summer, and/or that they estimate a far lower attack rate, then I guess that would have some weight, sure. But I've not heard of any such projections (and just the fact that they're not making projections doesn't seem to be much of a reason to not include any here???). Sean Heron (talk) 08:55, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

DYK nom

Thoughts welcome on the related DYK nom. --Almaty (talk) 05:41, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Austrian Infected amount

Here is the website that shows the amount of infected in Austria: https://www.sozialministerium.at/Informationen-zum-Coronavirus/Neuartiges-Coronavirus-(2019-nCov).html It's the website of the department for social, health, care and consumer protection of the government It get's updated every time new infected are reported

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathcounter (talk • contribs) 07:39, 5 March 2020 (UTC) 

I'm nominating for deletion "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2020_coronavirus_patients_in_China.svg"

It's confusing [[9]], it gets arbitrarily reordered [[10]], the underlying stats are very questionable, and the author has not replied to a request 3 days ago to clarify anything [[11]] It's hard to credit the graph represents the underlying statistics well, or that those stats are credible anyway, so I will delete it shortly - but I would really like some input on this! 85.211.195.108 (talk) 09:48, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

You can't delete it. Only admins/bureaucrats can delete files/articles. If you mean removing the graph, well you can't do that either as you can't edit the article as an IP. Oh well. Mgasparin (talk) 09:53, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, you're right, it is protected and I forgot that (edit: changed title). I am nominating it for deletion. I've tried to start this discussion before and it didn't happen, now I'm being blunt to try to really get some talk going. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.211.195.108 (talk) 10:01, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Required alteration

The total confirmed cases for Switzerland and United Kingdom needs updating. BlackSun2104 (talk) 11:02, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

French Guiana is fully part of France and it has 5 Coronavirus confirmed cases

Considering the image on the infobox, there is someone constantly putting French Guiana in gray, considering that it doesn't have coronavirus confirmed cases. This is twice wrong:

• There are 5 confirmed cases of Coronavirus in Saint-Laurent-du-Maroni, French Guiana. Source: Cinq cas de Coronavirus confirmés en Guyane (France Info).
• French Guiana is fully part of France, its status is the same as Alaska or Hawaii with the US. It's NOT a semi-autonomous territories like would be Guam or American Samoa. As such, French Guianese cases are counted in the total of confirmed cases in France. There will NEVER be a specific line in WHO situation reports specifying "French Guiana" as a territory or whatever you guys imagine.

I insist on the fact that, just like Madeira and the Azores are part of Portugal, the Canary Islands are part of Spain, Alaska and Hawaii are part of the US, France can't be divided and the French regions of Guadeloupe, Martinique, French Guiana, Reunion and Mayotte should be coloured the same as the rest of the country. Because it's indeed at that scale that confirmed cases in France are counted, both in communications from French official authorities and from UN WHO reports. Metropolitan (talk) 11:33, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

The USA is a bad example, as it is comprised of 50 states, and Alaska and Hawaii are two. They are not "island possessions" or some such rot. 50.111.9.62 (talk) 16:33, 5 March 2020 (UTC)