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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g. "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E can also be processed instantly as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion but, unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be un-tagged and de-listed after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This does not include changing the plurality of a noun when such the distinction between topic and set categories is uncertain.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- This criterion is also used to add a disambiguator to a category name, even when the main article is not the primary topic of its name, but no other topics are likely to have an eponymous category
C2E: Author request
- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous article
- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions
When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been as a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
(The four ~ will sign and datestamp the entry automatically.) If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
*REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category with: {{subst:Cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 00:45, 7 September 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 2,220 open requests (. )
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Current requests
- Category:Ukrainian medical doctors to Category:Ukrainian physicians – C2C: No reason to follow British usage. Rathfelder (talk) 21:03, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per link 1, link 2. 178.92.145.146 (talk) 02:13, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Korean astronomy to Category:Astronomy in Korea – C2C: See similar categories in Category:Astronomy in Asia and Category:Astronomy by country. Game Is (presumably) Wikipedian (tea?) 20:40, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:History by nation navigational boxes to Category:History navigational boxes by country – C2C with Category:Country templates by topic. —andrybak (talk) 18:29, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Marine Life templates to Category:WikiProject Marine life templates – C2C with Category:WikiProject templates. —andrybak (talk) 14:35, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- andrybak
Oppose as proposed The main article is at WP:WikiProject Marine life, so this should be renamed to Category:WikiProject Marine life templates.Regards, Armbrust The Homunculus 17:51, 19 September 2020 (UTC)- Armbrust, thanks, fixed. —andrybak (talk) 17:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- andrybak
- Category:Television shows adapted into radio shows to Category:Television shows adapted into radio programs – Two words "programs" were changed to "shows" inadvertently; Category:Works adapted into radio programs still uses "programs" for this one's siblings. – Fayenatic London 10:54, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Indian shows distributed by Netflix to Category:Indian television series distributed by Netflix – C2C per two parents named "television series". All the contents are television series. – Fayenatic London 10:43, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Tunisian political party shortname templates to Category:Tunisia political party shortname templates – per C2C with Category:Africa political party shortname templates. —andrybak (talk) 09:38, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:United territorial communities of Ukraine to Category:Hromadas of Ukraine – Reason = Wikipedia:C2D.
- If this request is granted then also have to be moved are:
- Category:United territorial communities of Ukraine by oblast to Category:Hromadas of Ukraine by oblast
- Category:United territorial communities of Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast to Category:Hromadas of Ivano-Frankivsk Oblast
- Category:United territorial communities of Kharkiv Oblast to Category:Hromadas of Kharkiv Oblast
- Category:United territorial communities of Ternopil Oblast to Category:Hromadas of Ternopil Oblast
- Category:Ternopil United territorial community to Category:Ternopil City hromada
- Category:Ukraine United territorial community templates to Category:Hromadas of Ukraine templates
- Category:Ternopil Oblast district (hromada) templates to Category:Ternopil Oblast hromada templates – PS "district" is also a bad translation of "hromada". "Districts" in Ukraine are the Raions of Ukraine. The "hromadas" are municipalities. Atleast in my (I being Yulia Romero • Talk to me!) perception.....
- There are already 1469 hromadas of Ukraine in Ukraine's in all of the 24 Oblasts of Ukraine so it would be easier to rename the list above ASAP
— Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 18:59, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- These seem OK, but so far only the top one has been tagged. – Fayenatic London 06:13, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- I tagged these categories now--Ymblanter (talk) 08:35, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- My apologies (for the extra work) to Ymblanter and Fayenatic.... I expected somehow that this tagging would happen automatically..... I got a little work-shy yesterday evening..... — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 15:13, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- I created this Category:Hromadas of Ukraine and same categories in July Category:Hromadas of Ukraine by oblast Category:Hromadas of Ternopil Oblast, Category:Ternopil Hromada before creating categories User:Yulia Romero, but some users have canceled and deleted them, they did not pay attention to my arguments, see my user talk. They need to be restored and save editing history. --Микола Василечко (talk) 16:44, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Микола Василечко: Thanks; it looks like you created them in June 2020. We will move (rename) the older, existing top category page that was created by User:Yulia Romero in 2017. We could use your sub-cat pages, as they are a month older than Yulia's, but it's actually less work to just let the bot move them all. – Fayenatic London 18:40, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Last July there was a discussion on Talk:Decentralisation in Ukraine#United territorial communities of Ukraine about if these Ukrainian administrative units should be called "United territorial communities" or "Hromada's" here on English Wikipedia. At that time it seemed there was a consensus for "United territorial communities" but since the Wikipedia page United territorial communities of Ukraine has been renamed Hromada and nobody objected to this move (I don't either) so the consensus is now that English Wikipedia calls these administrative units "Hromada's" (as far as I know this is how Wikipedia works.....) There were only a few people (including me) who advocated for "United territorial communities" to begin with and with Ukrainian administrative units never getting much attention in English language press anyway (and their readers are probably even less interested.....
) it is hard to say what their Wikipedia:RECOGNIZABILITY-name is.... so I am fine with "Hromada" now. — Yulia Romero • Talk to me! 20:13, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Last July there was a discussion on Talk:Decentralisation in Ukraine#United territorial communities of Ukraine about if these Ukrainian administrative units should be called "United territorial communities" or "Hromada's" here on English Wikipedia. At that time it seemed there was a consensus for "United territorial communities" but since the Wikipedia page United territorial communities of Ukraine has been renamed Hromada and nobody objected to this move (I don't either) so the consensus is now that English Wikipedia calls these administrative units "Hromada's" (as far as I know this is how Wikipedia works.....) There were only a few people (including me) who advocated for "United territorial communities" to begin with and with Ukrainian administrative units never getting much attention in English language press anyway (and their readers are probably even less interested.....
- @Микола Василечко: Thanks; it looks like you created them in June 2020. We will move (rename) the older, existing top category page that was created by User:Yulia Romero in 2017. We could use your sub-cat pages, as they are a month older than Yulia's, but it's actually less work to just let the bot move them all. – Fayenatic London 18:40, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- These seem OK, but so far only the top one has been tagged. – Fayenatic London 06:13, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:Blackwater Elite to Category:Blackwater Bossing– C2D Babymissfortune 21:10, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- I only tagged the categories now. I also do not see why we need a redirect for the template category.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lua-scriptable hardware to Category:Lua (programming language)-scriptable hardware – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 07:07, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lua-scripted video games to Category:Lua (programming language)-scripted video games – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 07:06, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lua-scripted software to Category:Lua (programming language)-scripted software – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 07:06, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lua-scriptable game engines to Category:Lua (programming language)-scriptable game engines – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 07:06, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lua-scriptable software to Category:Lua (programming language)-scriptable software – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 07:06, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lua software to Category:Lua (programming language) software – C2C: Article and parent category at Lua (programming language). Gonnym (talk) 07:06, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Articles with example Scheme code to Category:Articles with example Scheme (programming language) code – C2C: Article and parent category at Scheme (programming language). Gonnym (talk) 07:04, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Common Lisp software to Category:Common Lisp (programming language) software – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 07:03, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lisp-based operating systems to Category:Lisp (programming language)-based operating systems – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 07:03, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Articles with example Lisp code to Category:Articles with example Lisp (programming language) code – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 07:02, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lisp software companies to Category:Lisp (programming language) software companies – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 07:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lisp software to Category:Lisp (programming language) software – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 07:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lisp people to Category:Lisp (programming language) people – C2C: Article and parent category at Lisp (programming language). Gonnym (talk) 07:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:C software to Category:C (programming language) software – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:59, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:C language contests to Category:C (programming language) contests – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:58, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:C libraries to Category:C (programming language) libraries – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:C headers to Category:C (programming language) headers – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:57, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:C compilers to Category:C (programming language) compilers – C2C: Article and parent category at C (programming language). Gonnym (talk) 06:56, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Articles with example Python code to Category:Articles with example Python (programming language) code – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:54, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Python development tools to Category:Python (programming language) development tools – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Python web frameworks to Category:Python (programming language) web frameworks – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Python-scripted video games to Category:Python (programming language)-scripted video games – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Python-scriptable game engines to Category:Python (programming language)-scriptable game engines – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:53, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Python software to Category:Python (programming language) software – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:52, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Python people to Category:Python (programming language) people – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:52, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Python scientific libraries to Category:Python (programming language) scientific libraries – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:52, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Python libraries to Category:Python (programming language) libraries – C2C: Article and parent category at Python (programming language). Gonnym (talk) 06:52, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Pascal software to Category:Pascal (programming language) software – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:47, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Pascal compilers to Category:Pascal (programming language) compilers – C2C. Gonnym (talk) 06:47, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Pascal libraries to Category:Pascal (programming language) libraries – C2C: Article and parent category at Pascal (programming language). Gonnym (talk) 06:46, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Software programmed in Java (programming language) to Category:Java (programming language) software – C2C: Per Category:Software by programming language ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:57, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Software programmed in Rust to Category:Rust (programming language) software – C2C. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 23:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Software written primarily in assembly language to Category:Assembly language software – C2C. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:57, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Software programmed in BASIC to Category:BASIC software – C2C. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 22:57, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Sweet (band) to Category:The Sweet – C2D per The Sweet Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:44, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Sweet (band) albums to Category:The Sweet albums
- Category:Sweet (band) members to Category:The Sweet members
- Category:Sweet (band) songs to Category:The Sweet songs
- Hold these pending RM at Talk:The Sweet. – Fayenatic London 20:53, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- Un-hold, RM was closed as Do not move. – Fayenatic London 21:37, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Hold these pending RM at Talk:The Sweet. – Fayenatic London 20:53, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:African-American United States vice presidential candidates to Category:African-American candidates for Vice President of the United States – C2C. User:Namiba 18:50, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Jewish American vice presidential candidates to Category:Jewish American candidates for Vice President of the United States – C2E. User:Namiba 18:49, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Hispanic and Latino American presidential candidates to Category:Hispanic and Latino American candidates for President of the United States – C2E. User:Namiba 18:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Members of the Workers Party (U.S.) to Category:Members of the Workers Party (United States) – C2D. User:Namiba 15:05, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Swedish female guitarists to Category:Swedish women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Spanish female guitarists to Category:Spanish women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:44, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Serbian female guitarists to Category:Serbian women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:43, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Norwegian female guitarists to Category:Norwegian women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:43, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Comorian female guitarists to Category:Comorian women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:43, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian female folk guitarists to Category:Canadian women folk guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Canadian female guitarists to Category:Canadian women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Scottish female guitarists to Category:Scottish women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:41, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:English female guitarists to Category:English women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:40, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:British female guitarists to Category:British women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:39, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Brazilian female guitarists to Category:Brazilian women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:39, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Bermudian female guitarists to Category:Bermudian women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:38, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Australian female guitarists to Category:Australian women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:37, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:American female guitarists to Category:American women guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:37, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Female jazz guitarists to Category:Women jazz guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Female bass guitarists to Category:Women bass guitarists – C2C: cf. Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 28#Women guitarists 𝟙𝟤𝟯𝟺𝐪𝑤𝒆𝓇𝟷𝟮𝟥𝟜𝓺𝔴𝕖𝖗𝟰 (𝗍𝗮𝘭𝙠) 07:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:People of the Fenian Raids to Category:People of the Fenian raids – C2A/C2D per Fenian raids/Category:Fenian raids Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:57, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Hispano-Moroccan War to Category:Hispano-Moroccan War (1859–60) – C2D per Hispano-Moroccan War (1859–60) Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:33, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:San Antonio-El Paso Road to Category:San Antonio–El Paso Road – C2D per San Antonio–El Paso Road Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:26, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:San Antonio-San Diego Mail Line to Category:San Antonio–San Diego Mail Line – C2D per San Antonio–San Diego Mail Line Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:18, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Stephens-Townsend-Murphy Party to Category:Stephens–Townsend–Murphy Party – C2D per Stephens–Townsend–Murphy Party Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:15, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Members of the Commission of Government to Category:Members of the Newfoundland Commission of Government – C2D per Newfoundland Commission of Government Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:10, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Supreme Court (Fiji) justices to Category:Supreme Court of Fiji justices – C2D per Supreme Court of Fiji Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:50, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:River Plate basketball players to Category:Club Atlético River Plate basketball players – C2C within Category:Club Atlético River Plate. – Fayenatic London 14:09, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:South African cricket templates to Category:South Africa cricket templates – C2C: per parent Category:South Africa sports templates. Oculi (talk) 13:41, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:North Macedonian politicians to Category:Macedonian politicians. - WP:C2B. There's a naming convention in place which clearly establishes 'Macedonian' as the term for nationality. The policy was based on a wide consensus established by a RfC. A recent local consensus - [1] was obviously not aware of this and changed the name of the category. --FlavrSavr (talk) 16:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Oppose speedy@FlavrSavr: firstly, the category was moved through full CfD discussion, which closed today, so you could contact the closer and ask them to reconsider their close. Secondly Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia) says "Article names, categories, and templates should avoid adjectival use altogether. The use of neutral formulations such as "of North Macedonia", "in North Macedonia," etc. is preferred", which suggests a move to Category:Politicians of North Macedonia. Category:North Macedonian politicians by party should be nominated as well. Also, the category has not been tagged for speedy renaming. TSventon (talk) 17:59, 3 August 2020 (UTC)- @TSventon: Thanks. So I should contact bibliomaniac15? BTW, that particular sentence has been hotly contested even post formulation of the policy. The 'nationality' part wasn't. --FlavrSavr (talk) 18:05, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @FlavrSavr: yes, see the lead of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. I would suggest that the discussions should have considered WP:NCMAC, but it seems that they didn't. TSventon (talk) 18:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @TSventon: That's really helpful, thanks. For the sake of formality I did tag the category as CFDS after your comment, but this will probably warrant re-opening the discussion or a new full CfD. I do agree that WP:NCMAC should be the basis of the discussed move. --FlavrSavr (talk) 18:53, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- @FlavrSavr: it is correct to tag the category: the tag will be removed when the speedy process is concluded. The nomination can be moved to the "Moved to full discussion" section if a full discussion is (re)started and the category will also need a full CfD tag. TSventon (talk) 19:16, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- The CFD decision seems perverse. The category tree is Category:Macedonian people, and this seems to be the only exception to the "Macdenian fooers" convention of its subcats. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Agreed. While WP:NCMAC tried very hard to address the somewhat mixed results of the RfC on the adjectival usage of the country, it is pretty specific about the people (namely: nationality) of that country. I'm surprised that somebody actually brought the issue up, let alone managed to successfully go through a full CFD decision. Let's see what the move review will bring about. --FlavrSavr (talk) 00:36, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- The CFD decision seems perverse. The category tree is Category:Macedonian people, and this seems to be the only exception to the "Macdenian fooers" convention of its subcats. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 00:03, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've listed the two categories for move review instead. bibliomaniac15 20:04, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- I've just closed long overdue move review as overturn so the speedy may proceed. Should I manually revert the other affected Category:North Macedonian politicians by party? Pinging User:Bibliomaniac15, User:BrownHairedGirl. No such user (talk) 09:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- @No such user: Yes, the close should apply to both categories listed in the move review. I've listed both on speedy to revert the changes. bibliomaniac15 17:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- I have struck my oppose, however a wider discussion is needed, either to bring categories into line with Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Macedonia), which says Article names, categories, and templates should avoid adjectival use altogether. The use of neutral formulations such as "of North Macedonia", "in North Macedonia," etc. is preferred, or to change the wording of WP:NCMAC. TSventon (talk) 13:53, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- I've just closed long overdue move review as overturn so the speedy may proceed. Should I manually revert the other affected Category:North Macedonian politicians by party? Pinging User:Bibliomaniac15, User:BrownHairedGirl. No such user (talk) 09:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Opposed requests
- Category:Arabic art to Category:Arab art – C2C within category:Arab culture Oppose needs a proper discussion, in which disagreement is highly likely. Not that simple Johnbod (talk) 01:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Arabic architecture to Category:Arab architecture – C2C within category:Arab culture - Oppose needs a proper discussion, in which disagreement is highly likely. Not that simple Johnbod (talk) 01:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Christians of the Ninth Crusade to Category:Christians of Lord Edward's crusade – C2C/C2D per Category:Lord Edward's crusade/Lord Edward's crusade – Fayenatic London 10:39, 17 September 2020 (UTC) - Oppose Ninth Crusade was OUTRAGEOUSLY moved to Lord Edward's crusade by SPEEDY. Things are getting out of control on this page, & the article has been moved back. Johnbod (talk) 02:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC).
- Johnbod, Ninth Crusade was not moved to Lord Edward's crusade by any speedy process. (There is no speedy process for renaming articles.) The article had an RM that was open for nine days, and as a result of no opposition the page was renamed. The head category was then renamed to Category:Lord Edward's crusade via the speedy process (C2D) after the article had been at Lord Edward's crusade for about 10 months. How that signifies that things are "out of control" is beyond me. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:39, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Ok, I was misled by the edit summary. Sorry. But I still oppose, per the other crusades below, and I still find far too much stuff that needs opposing on my rare visits to this page. Johnbod (talk) 11:00, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Muslims of the Ninth Crusade to Category:Muslims of Lord Edward's crusade
- Category:Buddhists of the Ninth Crusade to Category:Buddhists of Lord Edward's crusade
- Johnbod, Ninth Crusade was not moved to Lord Edward's crusade by any speedy process. (There is no speedy process for renaming articles.) The article had an RM that was open for nine days, and as a result of no opposition the page was renamed. The head category was then renamed to Category:Lord Edward's crusade via the speedy process (C2D) after the article had been at Lord Edward's crusade for about 10 months. How that signifies that things are "out of control" is beyond me. Good Ol’factory (talk) 03:39, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Period post First Crusade to Category:Aftermath of the First Crusade – C2C within parent Category:Aftermath of wars – Fayenatic London 10:39, 17 September 2020 (UTC) - Oppose needs a proper discussion, in which disagreement is highly likely. The period covered is at least 47 years, which is a long time for an "aftermath". Suggest a joint AFD nom, as similar names may well be wanted. The arguably rather silly parent Category:Aftermath of wars is a minor category here, and should not be used to hang speedies on. Johnbod (talk) 02:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Period post Second Crusade to Category:Aftermath of the Second Crusade - Oppose needs a proper discussion, in which disagreement is highly likely. The period covered is at least 38 years, which is a long time for an "aftermath". Johnbod (talk) 01:51, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Period post Sixth Crusade to Category:Aftermath of the Sixth Crusade - Oppose needs a proper discussion, in which disagreement is highly likely. Two articles, both 15 years after the 6th Crusade, which is a long time for an "aftermath". Johnbod (talk) 01:51, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Period post Seventh Crusade to Category:Aftermath of the Seventh Crusade - Oppose needs a proper discussion, in which disagreement is highly likely. Again, the earliest of these "event" articles is 11 years after the end of the Crusade. Johnbod (talk) 01:54, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Period post Ninth Crusade to Category:Aftermath of Lord Edward's crusade – per both of the above rationales - Oppose needs a proper discussion, in which disagreement is highly likely. Again, a 30 year period is covered. Johnbod (talk) 02:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- We might also consider merging them to Category:12th century in the Crusader states and Category:13th century in the Crusader states. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- We might, but these are all military episodes & incidents (battles, sieges) so something like Category:Military history of the Crusader states between the xth and yth crusades would be better, and much clearer. I think the cats are useful. Johnbod (talk) 11:04, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- We might also consider merging them to Category:12th century in the Crusader states and Category:13th century in the Crusader states. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kiev Oblast to Category:Kyiv Oblast – C2D: per requested move on Talk:Kyiv and it applies to every subcategory, specifically Starzoner(talk) 12:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose this one per Kiev Oblast. Place Clichy (talk) 16:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose the categories below pending Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_September_18#Kyiv. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Football clubs in Kiev-Sviatoshyn Raion – C2D: per requested move on Talk:Kyiv and it applies to every subcategory, specifically Starzoner(talk) 12:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kiev-Sviatoshyn Raion
- Category:People from Kiev-Sviatoshyn Raion
- Category:Sport in Kiev-Sviatoshyn Raion
- Category:Villages in Kiev-Sviatoshyn Raion
- Oppose the categories moved below. The RM is a pretty weak consensus concerning the city only. Other entities such as Kiev Oblast or Kiev Governorate were not and should not be moved based on the RM for the city. Place Clichy (talk) 16:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Buildings and structures in Kiev Oblast – C2D: per requested move on Talk:Kyiv and it applies to every subcategory, specifically Starzoner(talk) 12:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Cities in Kiev Oblast
- Category:Companies based in Kiev Oblast
- Category:Economy of Kiev Oblast
- Category:Football clubs in Kiev Oblast
- Category:Geography of Kiev Oblast
- Category:Governors of Kiev Oblast
- Category:Governors of the Kiev Governorate
- Category:Governors-General of Kiev
- Category:History of Kiev Oblast
- Category:Kiev Governorate
- Category:Kiev Governorate (1708–1764)
- Category:Kiev Oblast Football Championship
- Category:Kiev Oblast geography stubs
- Category:Museums in Kiev Oblast
- Category:Organizations based in Kiev Oblast
- Category:People by university or college in Kiev Oblast
- Category:People from Kiev Governorate
- Category:People from Kiev Governorate (1708–1764)
- Category:People from Kiev Oblast
- Category:Populated places in Kiev Oblast
- Category:Railway stations in Kiev Oblast
- Category:Raions of Kiev Oblast
- Category:Rivers of Kiev Oblast
- Category:Sport in Kiev Oblast
- Category:Sports venues in Kiev Oblast
- Category:State companies based in Kiev Oblast
- Category:Tourist attractions in Kiev Oblast
- Category:Urban-type settlements in Kiev Oblast
- Category:Uyezds of Kiev Governorate
- Category:Villages in Kiev Oblast
- Oppose the categories below, no target specified and no relation to Kyiv. Place Clichy (talk) 16:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Starzoner: please react to this oppose. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:02, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose the categories below, no target specified and no relation to Kyiv. Place Clichy (talk) 16:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Chernigov Governorate – C2D: per requested move on Talk:Kyiv and it applies to every subcategory, specifically Starzoner(talk) 12:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:FC Nyva Myronivka
- Category:FC Putrivka
- Category:FC Slavutych
- Category:FC Systema-Boreks Borodianka
- Category:Little Russian Governorate
- Category:Okruhas of Chernigov Governorate
- Category:People from Kaharlyk
- Category:People from Kaharlyk Raion
- Category:Uyezds of Poltava Governorate
- Category:Explorers program (NASA) to Category:Explorers Program – C2D. 1857a (talk) 16:19, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy The current name was chosen in this full discussion, and I don’t think a capitalization change in the main article’s name is enough to overrule that. Armbrust The Homunculus 20:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
- Category:1957 African Cup of Nations to Category:1957 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1957 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1959 African Cup of Nations to Category:1959 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1959 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1962 African Cup of Nations to Category:1962 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1962 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1963 African Cup of Nations to Category:1963 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1963 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1965 African Cup of Nations to Category:1965 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1965 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1968 African Cup of Nations to Category:1968 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1968 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1970 African Cup of Nations to Category:1970 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1970 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1972 African Cup of Nations to Category:1972 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1972 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1974 African Cup of Nations to Category:1974 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1974 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1976 African Cup of Nations to Category:1976 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1976 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1978 African Cup of Nations to Category:1978 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1978 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1980 African Cup of Nations to Category:1980 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1980 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1982 African Cup of Nations to Category:1982 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1982 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1984 African Cup of Nations to Category:1984 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1984 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1986 African Cup of Nations to Category:1986 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1986 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1988 African Cup of Nations to Category:1988 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1988 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1990 African Cup of Nations to Category:1990 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1990 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1992 African Cup of Nations to Category:1992 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1992 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1994 African Cup of Nations to Category:1994 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1994 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1996 African Cup of Nations to Category:1996 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1996 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:1998 African Cup of Nations to Category:1998 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 1998 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:2000 African Cup of Nations to Category:2000 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 2000 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:2002 African Cup of Nations to Category:2002 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 2002 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:2004 African Cup of Nations to Category:2004 Africa Cup of Nations — C2D per head article 2004 Africa Cup of Nations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:51, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming Category:... African Cup of Nations. From 1957 to 2004, Afcon was named African Cup of Nations. I thing we must rename articles of this period from ... Africa Cup of Nations to ... African Cup of Nations. (exemple links of the 2004 edition bbc, logo) --Fayçal.09 (talk) 09:11, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- The 2004 logo in the infobox clearly has 'African' and the 2004 article was moved without discussion by a blocked user. Oculi (talk) 11:51, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Faycal.09 and Oculi: a ping would have been helpful.
Before making these C2D nominations, I checked the head article Africa Cup of Nations for any mention of a renaming, and found nothing. Similar blanks when I checked a sample of the articles.
I have no preference either way ... but if someone thinks the articles should be moved, please can they do this properly: assemble a few reliable sources, and open a WP:RM discussion? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:04, 13 September 2020 (UTC)- @BrownHairedGirl: Ok I will open WP:RM discussion in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football page. Best regards --Fayçal.09 (talk) 20:59, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
- I opened a discussion to WikiProject Football talk. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 22:29, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
Done, @BrownHairedGirl:, That's allright for articles of Africa Cup of Nations editions (from 1957 to 2004), all changes where moved to their original names « African Cup of Nations ». --Fayçal.09 (talk) 06:35, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayçal.09, that was not a WP:RM discussion. It was just a WikiProject discussion. I am surprised that you chose not to a proper RM when you said you would do an RM
However, the categories have been renamed, so I withdraw these nominations. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)- @BrownHairedGirl: Ah yes you right, but I thought it was more interesting to put the request in a page specialized in football, in addition there were a lot of articles to solve. It was my resonance
. For the categories, that's allright, I will revert the moves. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 20:32, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayçal.09, it's done now, so please do not revert anything.
For future reference, RM discussion can handle lots of pages ... and if you want to attract the attention of a WikiProject, just post a link to he RM. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:37, 18 September 2020 (UTC)- @BrownHairedGirl: yes of course I understand, I take good note. thank you for reverting the categories. --Fayçal.09 (talk) 20:42, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayçal.09, it's done now, so please do not revert anything.
- @BrownHairedGirl: Ah yes you right, but I thought it was more interesting to put the request in a page specialized in football, in addition there were a lot of articles to solve. It was my resonance
- @Fayçal.09, that was not a WP:RM discussion. It was just a WikiProject discussion. I am surprised that you chose not to a proper RM when you said you would do an RM
- @Faycal.09 and Oculi: a ping would have been helpful.
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo to Category:Palermo F.C. – C2D, match parent article name. GiantSnowman 13:52, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy. @GiantSnowman, the head article was moved from S.S.D. Palermo to Palermo F.C. on 5 August 2020: [2]. I have found no trace of a discussion, so this is ineligible for WP:C2D. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl:
err either you have a short memory or you are deliberately misremembering,but the original location of the article was Palermo F.C., that move you have linked to was a revert of this undiscussed move from earlier that day. Please review the logs. As such, it is entirely eligible. GiantSnowman 19:54, 11 September 2020 (UTC)- Clean up your act, @GiantSnowman, and please strike that malicious and unfounded assertion about me that
either you have a short memory or you are deliberately misremembering
.
The logs to which you yourself linked[3] show that from June 2019 to Aug 2020, "Palermo F.C." was a redirect. The diff[4] which you posted was of a technical move requested by me on 25 August reverting an undiscussed move, and restoring the stable title "S.S.D. Palermo". Later the same day, the page was again moved[5] without discussion to "Palermo F.C.".
Next time you are tempted to start your characteristic sniping, check you facts lest you get egg all over your face again. And now, wrt to these categories: I have moved[6] the page back to its stable location at "S.S.D. Palermo". You have been here long enough to know without doubt that an RM is best is case of contested moves, that WP:C2D is not applicable without either an RM or long-term stability ... and to know how to actually read a log which you post before you aim the smear gun at another editor. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:21, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Clean up your act, @GiantSnowman, and please strike that malicious and unfounded assertion about me that
- @BrownHairedGirl:
- Requested moves discussion now open at Talk:S.S.D. Palermo#Requested_move_12_September_2020. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 02:46, 12 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy. @GiantSnowman, the head article was moved from S.S.D. Palermo to Palermo F.C. on 5 August 2020: [2]. I have found no trace of a discussion, so this is ineligible for WP:C2D. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo chairmen and investors to Category:Palermo F.C. chairmen and investors
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo managers to Category:Palermo F.C. managers
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo matches to Category:Palermo F.C. matches
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo players to Category:Palermo F.C. players
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo seasons to Category:Palermo F.C. seasons
- Category:S.S.D. Palermo templates to Category:Palermo F.C. templates
- Category:Nine lyric poets to Category:Nine Lyric Poets – C2D per Nine Lyric Poets Good Ol’factory (talk) 02:42, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose: @Good Olfactory: I think the article should be moved. I have started a conversation at Talk:Nine_Lyric_Poets#Capitalisation_of_nine_lyric_poets and will move the article if there is no objection. TSventon (talk) 11:43, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
- Requested move now at Talk:Nine Lyric Poets#Requested move 16 September 2020. TSventon (talk) 10:54, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Moved to full discussion
- Category:Buildings and structures in Kiev – C2D: per requested move on Talk:Kyiv and it applies to every subcategory, specifically Starzoner(talk) 12:58, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Meanwhile moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:06, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Culture in Kiev
- Category:Death in Kiev
- Category:Economy of Kiev
- Category:Education in Kiev
- Category:Environment of Kiev
- Category:Events in Kiev
- Category:Geography of Kiev
- Category:Health in Kiev
- Category:History of Kiev
- Category:Kiev
- Category:Kiev metropolitan area
- Category:Kiev templates
- Category:Kiev-related lists
- Category:Organizations based in Kiev
- Category:People from Kiev
- Category:Politics of Kiev
- Category:Railway stations in Kyiv
- Category:Science and technology in Kiev
- Category:Sport in Kiev
- Category:Tourism in Kiev
- Category:Transport in Kiev
- Category:Monuments and memorials in Kiev to Category:Monuments and memorials in Kyiv – Reason 46.116.4.50 (talk) 22:08, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose this one and the rest of the Kiev -> Kyiv renames, per WP:KIEV. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:10, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- WP:KIEV is no longer valid, as the article has been moved after due process to Kyiv. So the oppose is not valid. Oculi (talk) 11:54, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- Perhaps these should go on hold pending revision of WP:KIEV. – Fayenatic London 14:11, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- Why should anybody care about CFD if it is technically possible and politically advantageous to move everything without discussion? In my native language, we have a saying which approximately translates "If you have lost your head, do not regret a loss of hairs".--Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- I have reverted that out-of-process move. – Fayenatic London 11:07, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london:, I appreciate this, but we have currently ongoing mass out-process moves (example 1, example 2 and even mass-replacements leading to population of redirected categories example 3. This is exactly the typo of disruption I predicted would be ongoing, and we just do not have resources to track all this. People are just not interested in discussing the moves (and articles are mass-moved without any discussion as well), they are just happy that they finally got a chance to promote their political agenda.--Ymblanter (talk) 11:20, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- I opened Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Mass Kyiv disruption, but I am not really looking forward to any solution.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:07, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- I have reverted that out-of-process move. – Fayenatic London 11:07, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Why should anybody care about CFD if it is technically possible and politically advantageous to move everything without discussion? In my native language, we have a saying which approximately translates "If you have lost your head, do not regret a loss of hairs".--Ymblanter (talk) 05:32, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- I agree with Fayenatic london. Our naming convention pages are important. If we have consensus that they're no longer valid, we should update the conventions first and only then start renaming. If WP:KIEV gets changed (and the change sticks), then consider my oppose withdrawn. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:04, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
- Perhaps these should go on hold pending revision of WP:KIEV. – Fayenatic London 14:11, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- WP:KIEV is no longer valid, as the article has been moved after due process to Kyiv. So the oppose is not valid. Oculi (talk) 11:54, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Libraries in Kiev to Category:Libraries in Kyiv – Reason 46.116.4.50 (talk) 22:05, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Hotels in Kiev to Category:Hotels in Kyiv – Reason 46.116.4.50 (talk) 22:01, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Diplomatic missions in Kiev to Category:Diplomatic missions in Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 21:58, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Shops in Kiev to Category:Shops in Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 20:47, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Shopping malls in Kiev to Category:Shopping malls in Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 20:45, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Retail buildings in Kiev to Category:Retail buildings in Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 20:43, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Commercial buildings in Kiev to Category:Commercial buildings in Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 20:09, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Burials at Saint Sophia Cathedral in Kiev to Category:Burials at Saint Sophia Cathedral in Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 19:47, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Burials in Kiev by place to Category:Burials in Kyiv by place – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 19:44, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Burials in Kiev to Category:Burials in Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 19:42, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Cemeteries in Kiev to Category:Cemeteries in Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 19:40, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Neoclassical architecture in Kiev to Category:Neoclassical architecture in Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 19:37, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Baroque architecture in Kiev to Category:Baroque architecture in Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 19:35, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Art Nouveau architecture in Kiev to Category:Art Nouveau architecture in Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 19:32, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Architecture in Kiev to Category:Architecture of Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 19:30, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Former buildings and structures of Kiev to Category:Former buildings and structures of Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020. 46.116.4.50 (talk) 19:02, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Buildings and structures in Kiev to Category:Buildings and structures in Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020 46.116.4.50 (talk) 18:59, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kiev-related lists to Category:Kyiv-related lists – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020 46.116.4.50 (talk) 18:56, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kiev to Category:Kyiv – Per move of Kiev to Kyiv, per Special:Diff/978661752#Requested move 28 August 2020 46.116.4.50 (talk) 18:54, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose this one and the rest of the Kiev -> Kyiv renames, per WP:KIEV. Jackmcbarn (talk) 22:10, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Reggio Audace F.C. players to Category:A.C. Reggiana 1919 players – C2D Matthew hk (talk) 01:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- Opposed as anachronistic. A new top category should be created which should hold sub-categories for the team as it was known when the players actually played for them. --Gonnym (talk) 07:20, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- Please read the consensus in WP:Footy before making nosense oppose or comment topic that you did not familiar. It is the same team and we don't subcat player for the same team that just renaming. The team has only one article. Not two or a few. Matthew hk (talk) 22:13, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
- Meanwhile moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:32, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Pride parades in Poland to Category:Equality marches in Poland – C2D: See equality marches in Poland, in Poland these events are called "equality marches" in order to emphasize that the organizers want equal rights. (t · c) buidhe 21:17, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - Alignment with the rest of the category tree (and common usage) should override consistency with the article name in this case. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- The equality marches in Poland are not commonly called "pride parades", even in English language sources. That is simply incorrect. (t · c) buidhe 01:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Black Falcon, I agree with @buidhe: this category should use the actual name used in Poland. So it's a valid C2D nomination, with a valid valid C2C-based objection. This needs a full discussion. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 19:30, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- The equality marches in Poland are not commonly called "pride parades", even in English language sources. That is simply incorrect. (t · c) buidhe 01:21, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - Alignment with the rest of the category tree (and common usage) should override consistency with the article name in this case. -- Black Falcon (talk) 22:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion was relisted on CFD 2020 Sep 16. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:07, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Chotek to Category:Chotek family – C2C. Rathfelder (talk) 14:45, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Armbrust The Homunculus 11:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion?Rathfelder (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- C2C to what? Armbrust The Homunculus 11:50, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Rathfelder: are you going to move this one to full discussion too? Marcocapelle (talk) 07:36, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Will do. Rathfelder (talk) 21:47, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- This has meanwhile been added to the existing full discussion about Austrian noble families. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:31, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Peace mechanism to Category:Peace process – C2D per Peace process Brandmeistertalk 18:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Peace process was originally named Category:Peace mechanism for a good reason. Please restore the category name to Category:Peace mechanism. I'm not an admin so I can't.
- Category:Peace processes is for peace processes such as Category:Bangsamoro peace process (8 P), Category:Basque Country peace process (3 P), Category:Bosnian peace process (6 P).
- Readers will get totally confused if individual peace mechanisms are categorised as elements of Category:Peace process, because that is not normally a category - it's a specific realisation of a peace process. What you have done is the equivalent of categorising city, province, constituent stategovernment, culture as elements of Category:Country. It's true that countries almost always have cities, governments and cultures, and often have provinces and constituent states; but Category:Country was deleted 11 years ago.
- Thanks. Boud (talk) 21:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- This was processed but belatedly opposed at User_talk:JJMC89. I copied the above opposition rationale from there and am reversing the move.
- I suggest that Category:Peace mechanisms (plural) would be an improvement, and allowable as C2A. – Fayenatic London 21:29, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- The term 'mechanism' is pretty vague anyway, it is not a common word used in the articles. A more appropriate category name might be Category:Peacebuilding, C2D per Peacebuilding. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- "Peacebuilding" would not be a good choice. The terminology in the general field is not well standardised, but I put a lot of effort in trying to sort this out based on WP:RS in peace process after previous editors hadn't seemed to realise that it's not enough to declare definitions of words, they have to be really adopted by sources. According to the United Nations, "peacebuilding" is the prevention of the repeat of a solved conflict, though it can also mean the preventing of an armed conflict from occurring at all. This excludes mechanisms for solving an existing conflict. "Peacebuilding" does not apply to Donbass or Libya because the conflicts are ongoing. So Category:Peacebuilding would defeat the point of listing the specific elements for preventing, solving, or preventing reccurrence of armed inter- or intrastate conflicts. The peacebuilding article is quite poor in terms of inline referencing, but the present text seems to match the UN sourced definition.
- Between Category:Peace mechanisms and Category:Peace mechanism, I'm not familiar enough with current Category guidelines to have a strong argument. A random check on Special:AllPages/Category:Hk suggests that plurals are preferred in similar cases, so Category:Peace mechanisms seems fine by me.
- There might be a better term than "peace mechanisms" for the specific elements used in peace processes, but I'm not aware of it (ordinary English such as "components of peace processes" or "elements of peace processes" would make sense, but "peace mechanisms" seems to be the most common). Some references in favour of the term include Article 9 of the Japanese constitution, water management (MSc thesis), Cornell Policy Review "peace mechanisms such as truth commissions, reparations, and memorialization", Section 2.3.1 of this Nepal peacebuilding analysis lists specific peace mechanisms.
- Boud (talk) 15:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- The term 'mechanism' is pretty vague anyway, it is not a common word used in the articles. A more appropriate category name might be Category:Peacebuilding, C2D per Peacebuilding. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:18, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
- I see what you mean. Splitting between a new Category:War ending and Category:Peacebuilding would be my next proposal. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Peacebuilding would not work here because it's an "-ing" word - it's about more synthetic (WP:RS) overviews of processes, not about particular concrete elements of them. The present elements of Category:Peacebuilding are wider topics than individual mechanisms. Many of the specific elements (mechanisms) are components both to solve existing conflicts and to prevent conflicts from occurring or recurring: e.g. arms embargoes and confidence-building measures. "War ending" is also an -ing expression, with the same problem. I don't see an objection in principle of having two sub-categories of Category:peace mechanism or Category:peace mechanisms, but it seems a bit premature to me, and I think the focus on individual things/pieces - mechanisms - will reduce the number of fuzzy categorisations. Better wait until we have more contributions/contributors before sub-categorising. Boud (talk) 20:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:44, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Kinsky to Category:House of Kinsky – C2D. Rathfelder (talk) 13:55, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose House of Kinsky redirects to Kinsky, which is the current title of the category. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion? Category:Kinsky doesnt convey anything to those unfamiliar with the topic. Rathfelder (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Now at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_August_9#Category:Austrian_noble_families. @Rathfelder: are you planning to add the two similar cases above? – Fayenatic London 09:29, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
- Family categories in most countries are all like "Foo family". It appears that this convention has not been followed strictly with Category:Austrian noble families. Is there a reason? Do we need a wider discussion? Category:Kinsky doesnt convey anything to those unfamiliar with the topic. Rathfelder (talk) 08:42, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose House of Kinsky redirects to Kinsky, which is the current title of the category. Armbrust The Homunculus 09:40, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Old Latin New Testament manuscripts to Category:Vetus Latina New Testament manuscripts – C2B: More precise since it directly says it relates to the Vetus Latina. Veverve (talk) 11:34, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, the mere fact that there is an article Vetus Latina does not make it a case of C2B. I am also inclined to substantive oppose in case this will be moved to full discussion as I doubt that Vetus Latina is a WP:COMMONNAME WP:DEFINING characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Note: there was a recent discussion of the parent & grandparent, with no consensus, at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_April_21#Category:Vetus_Latina. – Fayenatic London 21:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: "Vetus Latina" is definetly more precise than "Old Latin". Those articles relate to manuscripts of the Vetus Latina, not any Latin manuscripts of old times. Veverve (talk) 20:10, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- I agree that "old" is confusing, but in full discussion I think I might propose renaming to Category:Latin biblical manuscripts and adding Category:Vulgate manuscripts as a subcategory to it. The fact that they are written in Latin is the defining characteristic, not the fact that they are part of a set called Vetus Latina. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: "Vetus Latina" designates the translations made from the Septuagint and the New Testament into Latin, mainly before the 4th century; see its article. The Vulgate is the 4th-century translations in Latin of the Hebrew Old Testament, the New Testament, and of some books from the Septuagint; those translations were mainly done by Jerome. Therefore, it is needed to distinguish between the Vetus Latina (a specific set of translations), the Vulgate (another set of specific translations), and other Latin manuscripts, and this is one of the the purposes of my renaming proposal. Veverve (talk) 23:47, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- The distinction with Vulgate will still exist with Vulgate as a subcat of Latin. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- I add that the category is currently called "Old Latin" because "Old Latin" translates "Vetus Latina". You can check for yourself: all the manuscripts within this category are Vetus Latina texts. Veverve (talk) 23:59, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- Sure, but the confusing element is that it is not written in Old Latin. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: the confusion also stems from the fact "Vetus Latina" is the common name for those translations, whereas "Old Latin" is condusing. Moreover, there would be no point in putting all the Vetus Latin New Testament manuscript in a new, broader, less precise category. Veverve (talk) 11:33, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: "Vetus Latina" is definetly more precise than "Old Latin". Those articles relate to manuscripts of the Vetus Latina, not any Latin manuscripts of old times. Veverve (talk) 20:10, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: do you still oppose? Veverve (talk) 13:09, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:10, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy, the mere fact that there is an article Vetus Latina does not make it a case of C2B. I am also inclined to substantive oppose in case this will be moved to full discussion as I doubt that Vetus Latina is a WP:COMMONNAME WP:DEFINING characteristic of these articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:British television programmes by genre to Category:British television series by genre – C2C: per convention of Category:Television series by country and genre. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 05:37, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Not all the programmes in this category are series. Some are one-off. Thincat (talk) 10:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Thincat, if that is the case, then there are two options:
- Oppose Not all the programmes in this category are series. Some are one-off. Thincat (talk) 10:19, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- purge this category of show that are not series
- rename all the other subcats of Category:Television series by country and genre to use "shows".
- But I don't see the case for making British programming an exception. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:53, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- There shouldn't be an exception for Britain. However, articles properly categorised as programmes/programs/shows (in any country) shouldn't be improperly re-categorised as series. Another (hypothetical) suggestion: remove Category:British television programmes by genre from Category:Television series by country and genre which is, I think, the source of the problem. I now see Category:Television shows is (temporarily?) chaotic. Thincat (talk) 11:13, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Thincat, excluding Brits shows from Category:Television series by country and genre is no solution. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:21, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Your option (1) would involve a great deal of work. Some subcats contain mostly one-offs (Category:British television documentaries) other subcats contain mostly series (or entirely if the subcat naming is correct). (2) would seem to me preferable but not as a speedy because the situation has not been clear. Thincat (talk) 08:54, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
- There shouldn't be an exception for Britain. However, articles properly categorised as programmes/programs/shows (in any country) shouldn't be improperly re-categorised as series. Another (hypothetical) suggestion: remove Category:British television programmes by genre from Category:Television series by country and genre which is, I think, the source of the problem. I now see Category:Television shows is (temporarily?) chaotic. Thincat (talk) 11:13, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion
- Category:Razakar to Category:Razakar (Pakistan) – C2D: per head article Razakar (Pakistan). The bare title Razakar is about the concept (an Arabic word which means volunteer), but Razakar (Pakistan) is a specific force which operated in East Pakistan. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:27, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: I believe this should be Category:Razakars (Pakistan). – Fayenatic London 09:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic, the category currently structured as a topic category, so no plural needed. Maybe it should become a combined set/topic category? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand this re WP:TOPICCAT. In what way is it "structured as a topic category", other than its name being singular rather than plural? How would it "become" a combined one – simply by renaming as I have suggested? – Fayenatic London 12:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Fayenatic: It's set up as a WP:TOPICCAT for the organisation called Razakar (Pakistan). If it was a set category, it would have people categories as patents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, I see – thank you. But I disagree that the organisation was called Razakar (Pakistan), even though that is its main article; in the article, the organisation is referred to either as "Razakars" or as "Razakar force". Moreover, I think the category is already functioning also as a set category. (I would probably move the article as well.) – Fayenatic London 13:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic, I have moved this to the opposed section, because I think it has moved beyond the type of straightforward issue which can be handled as a speedy, so we need a full discussion to consider it. I'll leave it you make that full nomination, so that you can make the nominator's case upfront. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Ah, I see – thank you. But I disagree that the organisation was called Razakar (Pakistan), even though that is its main article; in the article, the organisation is referred to either as "Razakars" or as "Razakar force". Moreover, I think the category is already functioning also as a set category. (I would probably move the article as well.) – Fayenatic London 13:00, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Fayenatic: It's set up as a WP:TOPICCAT for the organisation called Razakar (Pakistan). If it was a set category, it would have people categories as patents. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- Not sure I understand this re WP:TOPICCAT. In what way is it "structured as a topic category", other than its name being singular rather than plural? How would it "become" a combined one – simply by renaming as I have suggested? – Fayenatic London 12:42, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic, the category currently structured as a topic category, so no plural needed. Maybe it should become a combined set/topic category? --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:55, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- @BrownHairedGirl: I believe this should be Category:Razakars (Pakistan). – Fayenatic London 09:34, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:34, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 Aug 16. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:48, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Suspense to Category:Suspense (genre) – C2D: Suspense (genre), Suspense is just the feeling. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- Justin: as Suspense (genre) redirects to Thriller (genre), doesn't this justify a speedy upmerge to Category:Thrillers, and renaming/merging of its subcats? I'm not sure that that would be best, though. The article Thriller (genre) only mentions suspense as a characteristic of thrillers, not as a sub-genre. However, I feel that Suspense#In drama might be a better target for the redirect. If that is done then I would not oppose your nomination. – Fayenatic London 22:22, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy C2D doesn’t apply to redirects. Armbrust The Homunculus 22:52, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, then do it per C2B. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
- The discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 July 29. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:30, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- The discussion was relisted again at CFD 2020 Sep 18. Armbrust The Homunculus 18:07, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Armbrust, then do it per C2B. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:35, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Television programs by director to Category:Television shows by director — C2C per convention of Category:Television shows, as set by WP:CFD/2020 May 6#Television_program(me)s. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 07:40, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Television programs directed by Alan Alda to Category:Television shows directed by Alan Alda
- Category:Television programs directed by Peter Avanzino to Category:Television shows directed by Peter Avanzino
- Category:Television programs directed by Jules Bass to Category:Television shows directed by Jules Bass
- Category:Television programs directed by Steve Binder to Category:Television shows directed by Steve Binder
- Category:Television programs directed by Brannon Braga to Category:Television shows directed by Brannon Braga
- Category:Television programs directed by James Burrows to Category:Television shows directed by James Burrows
- Category:Television programs directed by Marty Callner to Category:Television shows directed by Marty Callner
- Category:Television programs directed by James L. Conway to Category:Television shows directed by James L. Conway
- Category:Television programs directed by Matthew Faughnan to Category:Television shows directed by Matthew Faughnan
- Category:Television programs directed by Paul Feig to Category:Television shows directed by Paul Feig
- Category:Television programs directed by Jonathan Frakes to Category:Television shows directed by Jonathan Frakes
- Category:Television programs directed by Bruce Gowers to Category:Television shows directed by Bruce Gowers
- Category:Television programs directed by Seth Green to Category:Television shows directed by Seth Green
- Category:Television programs directed by Robert Guenette to Category:Television shows directed by Robert Guenette
- Category:Television programs directed by Jack Haley Jr. to Category:Television shows directed by Jack Haley Jr.
- Category:Television programs directed by Hamish Hamilton (director) to Category:Television shows directed by Hamish Hamilton (director)
- Category:Television programs directed by Toby Haynes to Category:Television shows directed by Toby Haynes
- Category:Television programs directed by Dwight Hemion to Category:Television shows directed by Dwight Hemion
- Category:Television programs directed by Jim Henson to Category:Television shows directed by Jim Henson
- Category:Television programs directed by Louis J. Horvitz to Category:Television shows directed by Louis J. Horvitz
- Category:Television programs directed by Sam Jaimes to Category:Television shows directed by Sam Jaimes
- Category:Television programs directed by Chuck Jones to Category:Television shows directed by Chuck Jones
- Category:Television programs directed by Ward Kimball to Category:Television shows directed by Ward Kimball
- Category:Television programs directed by Don Roy King to Category:Television shows directed by Don Roy King
- Category:Television programs directed by Sidney Lumet to Category:Television shows directed by Sidney Lumet
- Category:Television programs directed by Hamilton Luske to Category:Television shows directed by Hamilton Luske
- Category:Television programs directed by Delbert Mann to Category:Television shows directed by Delbert Mann
- Category:Television programs directed by Jeff Margolis to Category:Television shows directed by Jeff Margolis
- Category:Television programs directed by Beth McCarthy-Miller to Category:Television shows directed by Beth McCarthy-Miller
- Category:Television programs directed by Bill Melendez to Category:Television shows directed by Bill Melendez
- Category:Television programs directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan to Category:Television shows directed by Sergio Mimica-Gezzan
- Category:Television programs directed by Don Mischer to Category:Television shows directed by Don Mischer
- Category:Television programs directed by Marty Pasetta to Category:Television shows directed by Marty Pasetta
- Category:Television programs directed by Bill Pope to Category:Television shows directed by Bill Pope
- Category:Television programs directed by Arthur Rankin Jr. to Category:Television shows directed by Arthur Rankin Jr.
- Category:Television programs directed by Phil Roman to Category:Television shows directed by Phil Roman
- Category:Television programs directed by Glenn Weiss to Category:Television shows directed by Glenn Weiss
- Category:Television programs directed by Joss Whedon to Category:Television shows directed by Joss Whedon
- Oppose this tree. It seems last year an editor changed some of these from episodes to programs and I can't find a discussion relevant to that. Since we have a parent tree for "Television episodes by" these should be changed to represent what these exactly are. As an example Category:Television programs directed by Paul Feig has only episodes. --Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Gonnym, that sounds plausible in principle, and I AGF that it's right, but I haven't checked it myself.
However, when I look at Category:Television programs by director, I see that it is a subcat of Category:Television shows, not of Category:Television episodes. That parenting could be easily fixed, but it occurs to me that there must be a non-trivial set of cases where one person has directed a whole series ... it might be best to use a more inclusive title such as Category:Television programming by director, as a subcat of Category:Television programming.
So, if it would help: how about I open a full CFD discussion on this set, offering three options: shows, episodes, programming. I have tools to make such group noms easily, so it's no biggie for me to do it. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 10:46, 5 July 2020 (UTC)- Sure, a CfD is probably best here. I'll note that Category:Television episodes by director had a CfD in 2011 which resulted in delete, however, it seems that the community is still adding these pages, just not under that name. --Gonnym (talk) 10:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Gonnym, that sounds plausible in principle, and I AGF that it's right, but I haven't checked it myself.
- Oppose this tree. It seems last year an editor changed some of these from episodes to programs and I can't find a discussion relevant to that. Since we have a parent tree for "Television episodes by" these should be changed to represent what these exactly are. As an example Category:Television programs directed by Paul Feig has only episodes. --Gonnym (talk) 10:32, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 5#Television programs by director. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 15:22, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion was relisted on CFD 2020 July 17. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:19, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
- It was relisted a second time at CFD 2020 Aug 1. Armbrust The Homunculus 19:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Roman sites to Category:Roman archaeological sites, C2C per Category:Archaeological sites by culture and Category:Ancient archaeological sites. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:05, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Roman sites in Africa to Category:Roman archaeological sites in Europe, C2C per Category:Archaeological sites in Africa. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Roman sites in Asia to Category:Roman archaeological sites in Europe, C2C per Category:Archaeological sites in Asia. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Roman sites in Europe to Category:Roman archaeological sites in Europe, C2C per Category:Ancient archaeological sites in Europe. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:01, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose speedy for above four. Most of the subcategories of Category:Archaeological sites by culture don't use "archaeological" (only 4 of the 26). Armbrust The Homunculus 06:10, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose, "archeological site" implies that archeology has been or could be conducted on them, which is untrue if the site is still standing, or is only known from written sources and has never been found. Abductive (reasoning) 21:01, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:19, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
- The discussion was relisted at CFD 2020 July 24. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Croatian Canadian to Category:Croatian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:56, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Bulgarian Canadian to Category:Bulgarian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:55, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Ulster-Scottish Canadian to Category:Ulster-Scottish Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Welsh Canadian to Category:Welsh Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Scottish Canadian to Category:Scottish Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Manx Canadian to Category:Manx Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:English Canadian to Category:English Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:British Canadian to Category:British Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:53, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Belgian Canadian to Category:Belgian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Armenian Canadian to Category:Armenian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:52, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:European Canadian to Category:European Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:49, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Trinidadian and Tobagonian Canadian to Category:Trinidadian and Tobagonian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Jamaican Canadian to Category:Jamaican Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Haitian Canadian to Category:Haitian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:48, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Guyanese Canadian to Category:Guyanese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:47, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Cuban Canadian to Category:Cuban Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Barbadian Canadian to Category:Barbadian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:46, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Caribbean Canadian to Category:Caribbean Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:45, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Syrian Canadian to Category:Syrian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:44, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Palestinian Canadian to Category:Palestinian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:03, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Moroccan Canadian to Category:Moroccan Canadians – C2A: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:02, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Libyan Canadian to Category:Libyan Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Lebanese Canadian to Category:Lebanese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Egyptian Canadian to Category:Egyptian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 23:01, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Arab Canadian to Category:Arab Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:54, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Vietnamese Canadian to Category:Vietnamese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:38, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Tibetan Canadian to Category:Tibetan Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:35, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Thai Canadian to Category:Thai Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:32, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Sri Lankan Canadian to Category:Sri Lankan Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:30, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Punjabi Canadian to Category:Punjabi Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Malaysian Canadian to Category:Malaysian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:28, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Korean Canadian to Category:Korean Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Japanese Canadian to Category:Japanese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:25, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Filipino Canadian to Category:Filipino Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Taiwanese Canadian to Category:Taiwanese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Chinese Canadian to Category:Chinese Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Cambodian Canadian to Category:Cambodian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:24, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Odia Canadian to Category:Odia Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Bengali Canadian to Category:Bengali Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:23, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Bangladeshi Canadian to Category:Bangladeshi Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Afghan Canadian to Category:Afghan Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:22, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:South Asian Canadian to Category:South Asian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Ethiopian Canadian to Category:Ethiopian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:South African Canadian to Category:South African Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Somali Canadian to Category:Somali Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:African Canadian to Category:African Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:20, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Category:Asian Canadian to Category:Asian Canadians – C2B: Plural per WP:SETCAT. 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 22:19, 2 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose this batch. @1234qwer1234qwer4: There was consensus at this discussion among others that these Booian Fooian categories should instead be moved to Category:Booian Fooian society, and there is also long-standing consensus that people categories should be at Category:Fooian people of Booian descent. This structure would make things a lot clearer, as I agree that these categories are currently very poorly named. See also these two relevant discussions from last year for sparsely populated categories. Place Clichy (talk) 01:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy: Thanks for the info; would you mind creating a CfD or should I? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: I don't mind if you create them. Place Clichy (talk) 05:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- Since nothing has happened on this, I'll create the nomination. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion at Category:Croatian Canadian --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Discussion was relisted on CFD 2020 July 27. Armbrust The Homunculus 08:33, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion at Category:Croatian Canadian --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:41, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- Since nothing has happened on this, I'll create the nomination. --Mdaniels5757 (talk) 17:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
- @1234qwer1234qwer4: I don't mind if you create them. Place Clichy (talk) 05:43, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
- @Place Clichy: Thanks for the info; would you mind creating a CfD or should I? 1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 19:18, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose this batch. @1234qwer1234qwer4: There was consensus at this discussion among others that these Booian Fooian categories should instead be moved to Category:Booian Fooian society, and there is also long-standing consensus that people categories should be at Category:Fooian people of Booian descent. This structure would make things a lot clearer, as I agree that these categories are currently very poorly named. See also these two relevant discussions from last year for sparsely populated categories. Place Clichy (talk) 01:20, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Ready for deletion
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