User talk:Thatcher

78.16.xx.xx

Not sure what's going on here at all, and don't have the time to really look, but are you aware of Category:Suspected_Wikipedia_sockpuppets_of_Wikipéire? I knew I'd seen '78.16' before, as I brought Wikipéire to light. --Matt Lewis (talk) 01:37, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

• It's a big ISP, and the edits are stale, so I can't confirm anything from a technical standpoint. However, Pureditor's sockpuppet account is Mulacho (talk · contribs) who shares an interest in Editors with Wikipéire, and the naming dispute is similar to disputes that Wikipéire got in to. I'd get an uninvolved admin to look at the contributions or list it at WP:SSP. Thatcher 01:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

He is User:Wikipéire for sure. Bummer - I wondered this before over a national anthem issue I had with him, but I had been off for a month and I suppose wasn’t up for it mentally. All the editing patterns are identical, and the post-ban account creation fits too: National anthems, Wales, Scotland, British Isles, national sovereignty, Ireland-piped-to-ROI, Canada and the Editors band. His slip with Mulacho and the 78.16 link completely seals it for me. Special:Contributions/99.232.55.119's edit on Wales here is a giveaway link for this IP, and is an interesting IP range to add too.

Some more 78's for the 'Wikipeire list' from the Editors article:

Special:Contributions/78.16.60.135 (from May),

Special:Contributions/78.16.77.212 (a recent August one - useful?),

Special:Contributions/78.16.103.84 (goes back to 2007 on Ulster - but with 9 months between edits)

This last one is close to edits by User:Derry Boi, who has edited recently on Editors in his own name, and very few people do when you remove Melvo/78.xx.xx.xx/Wikipeire/Petitpois/and now "Mulacho" (all the same person) from the picture. Derry Boi edits on similar Irish issues to Pureditor (like Derry). I actually don't think there is anything in it now as I can see that Derry Boi has been editing mostly on Gaelic football for years, but I'm still pointing it out as it seems reasonably valid enough to do so (so apologies to Derry Boi), and it could save somebody else some time. Someone from Derry/Irish articles called User:Violetriga actually edit-warred with Wikipeire's sock User:Melvo on Editors – so maybe the band are linked to Northern Ireland in some way, although I can’t see a link - they are all English people in an English band, it seems to me.

I'm determined to get this guy whenever he pops up, anyway. He wasted hours of my time when he joined forces with the multi-sock-user User:Iamandrewrice's puppet 'User:Gozitancrabz' on Wales. He screwed me as an IP 3RR'ing on British Isles, and has trolled me as an IP too in fact. All the bad memories are coming back!

If you look at his earliest edits from his rarely-used User:Melvo account from Dec 2006 here - it seems reasonable to assume that throughout 2007 there could have been socks we didn't know about (possibly still don't). There was no editing 'gap' between him editing as Melvo and starting Wikipeire in Feb this year, just a few days. If he was 78.16.103.84 on this 2007 Ulster page - he could be somebody else on it too. 78.16 appears recently on Derry here, but Pureditor is only on the talk page. I'm sure most of the 78.16's are him.--Matt Lewis (talk) 07:41, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

I've just noticed that it looks like I misread your reply - you clearly want me to either to go to another admin or take User:Pureditor to SPP myself! Having done all the above I suppose I may as well take it on. I have a feeling I used 'request for checkuser' with Wikipeire - if I did I may go straight to that again. --Matt Lewis (talk) 16:39, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Forgot to say I've done this, by the way Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Wikipéire_(3rd)#User:Wikip.C3.A9ire. --Matt Lewis (talk) 22:22, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Just to say that I've amended the first line of the SSP on Wikipeire (Pureditor). It was inaccurate for a whole day (referencing Mulacho when it should have been the IP), and I somehow didn't notice my error while I was padding out the rest of it. I've corrected it now, and it now mentions your name too. I don't know how involved you want to be (if at all), but I thought I'd let you know. I've been doing it with fairly small stints at the computer (and I've amended it a few times), but hopefully it now builds a lucid enough case. Thinking about it, I'll inform GB and any admin properly involved in Wikipeire's cases before, to try and get some responses going.--Matt Lewis (talk) 22:51, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

User:Yorkshirian

Hello Thatcher,

I believe you blocked, and possibly discovered, a series of sockpuppets used by double-banned User:Yorkshirian. He's back, with a bang. We've had about 30 sockpuppets in the last 24 hours, most of which have been targetting me.

There's an outstanding checkuser request at Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Riparder, but I'm actually seeking to have a range block put in place, and I (believe I) need a checkuser to take a look at the size of his ip range, and if it is feasible. Would you be willing to aid me here? --Jza84 |  Talk  11:40, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Puppet theater

Hi, Thatcher.
Here're two possible sockpuppets of PaxEquilibrium (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki).
I've never had problems with these accounts, by few things drew my attention, that makes me believe that they might be his sockpuppets:
- interest area (Montenegro, History of Montenegro)
- very short edit period - this is the feature of SPA's and sleeper accounts
- because of limitation of checkuser tools, it'd good to see if they are sleepers
- these accounts had communication with PaxEquilibrium (and Pax with them)

• Petar Montenegrin (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

6 edits, 4 on 30 June 2008 (2 times on the talkpage of PaxEquilibrium [1] and [2]) and 2 on 10 July 2008 Here he refers to Pax's opponent [3] and In fact, Petar Montenegrin appears here as the opponent to Pax [4] (Pax Equilibrium uporno širi prosrpsku propagandu, "Pax persistently spreads pro-Serbian propaganda"), as the one that disagrees with Pax. Was that done with the purpose of confusing the others? Out of 6 edits, he already found Pax?

• Perjanik (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

Even here. Pax talks with him on his talkpage (puppetmasters often do that: talk between puppet and master). Here [5] appears favourite Pax's idea, "fully incorporated into a [[History of Serbia|unified Serbian realm]], the newly acquired [[Serbia]]n land, then called Zeta" (saying for Montenegro as "Serbian land")".
I don't want to etiquette these two accounts, I just want to remove any suspicion. Thanks for the attention, Kubura (talk) 14:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

• I am Mario (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

...could be his puppet too. Pax was obssessed with one shaky reinterpretation of historical source De Administrando Imperio, which he used to conquer the articles like Pagania. It appeared that Pax puppets were talking to each other, in this case Pax said "wellcome" to User talk:I am Mario 45 minutes after his 1st appearance. An anon contributing (User:Adam Bishop asked him in the talk page: are you Mario?) to DAI article transformed to User:I am Mario. Pax did distinguish himself from this anon [6], in the same way as he did it elsewhere too, like here [7], as you can see he criticized his own sock edits. While his socks were wild and extreme POV pushers, Pax as master had image of an objective contributor. This account was created in May, there's possibility that Pax created it to support his claims in Pagania article, where he was opposing consensus reached by other users involved, as well as prolong an earlier anon actions in De Administrando Imperio. See Talk:De Administrando Imperio. Can you check User talk:I am Mario please. Zenanarh (talk) 07:32, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Eurovisionman, GarryGazza etc

I saw that you were involved in the last sock puppet check user case and I think that Onceloose (talk · contribs) is another sock. See Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Onceloose. Thanks. Grk1011/Stephen (talk) 16:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Socking

Could you take a look at this for me? New socks appear every hour or so at Great Britain at the Olympics at the min.Traditional unionist (talk) 15:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

• Most of those are the same person but it's a dynamic range and a range block wouldn't really work. Thatcher 23:57, 1 September 2008 (UTC)