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October 15

Tournament template

There is an infobox template for a tournament, incorporating such information such as year, amount of teams, etc. I've seen it before in articles, but is there a documentation for the bracket structure similar to the charts produced by sports authorities? Doctor Alex (talk · contributions · sandbox) 03:58, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Blocky44: Hi there! There are a lot of tournament templates - see Category:Tournament bracket templates. Each one should have its own documentation. GoingBatty (talk) 05:00, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Confusion over template parameter issue

I'm having some trouble with this. I'm editing the article Alois Estermann and for some reason I can't insert "death_cause" into the infobox template "Infobox military person", despite it being a documented parameter on its page (and suggested by the visual editor). When I insert it it gives me an error and the information is not shown on the page. It works if I just use "infobox person". Is this a badly maintained template? Did I break something? Should I just use infobox person?

I feel like I must be missing something really obvious, but can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong? PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

The parameter was added to Template:Infobox military person/doc in this edit, but never to Template:Infobox military person itself. —Cryptic 05:26, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: Hi there! Just like an article's talk page is the best place to discuss an article, Template talk:Infobox military person will be the best place to report this issue. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:17, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Famous to-be contributor

Hello,

Wikipedia:Username policy states that "If a username implies that the user is, or is related to, a notable, identifiable or well-known person, the account may be blocked as a precaution against impersonation until the user's proof of identity is provided." A "notable" I know plans to contribute. How can such a proof of identity be provided? Micheletb (talk) 08:00, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Micheletb There is no requirement for people to use their real names as their account name and most do not. There is a policy that people must not be outed if they edit under an anonymous name (see WP:OUTING). If someone notable does want to use their real name, they should use the procedure at WP:REALNAME to confirm who they are: basically, it is done by email. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:41, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

This is all rather cryptic. There is nothing wrong with editing Wikipedia under your real name. As WP:REALNAME says, "You are welcome to use your real name, but in some cases, you will need to prove that you are who you say you are. You can do this by sending an email to info-enwikimedia.org. Be aware that emails are handled by a volunteer response team; it can take some time before you'll receive a reply." If the notable person is yourself or someone you know, see WP:COI.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:44, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

How to create a new category?

I would like to create a new category, [[Category:1807 French novels]], but I can't find any guidance on how to do it. Can I do it myself, or do I need to request someone? Is it a new page in Main Space, or something more complicated, elsewhere? I'd welcome a pointer to some help. Thanks. Masato.harada (talk) 09:09, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Masato.harada: You just create the category page like any other page, e.g. after clicking a red link to it: Category:1807 French novels (I placed a colon in front to make a link). Pages starting with "Category:" are in the category namespace, not mainspace. See more at Help:Category. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:02, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Categories of the form "<year> <nationality> <items>" or "<items> in <year>" usually only contain boilerplate text; if you go to an existing, similar category, you'll find you can usually just paste in whatever's there, usually without even having to change the year. I've created Category:1807 French novels for you from what was in Category:1997 French novels. —Cryptic 10:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Masato.harada: In addition to creating the category like Cryptic suggests, it's also good to create the associated talk page, which I have done at Category talk:1807 French novels. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:14, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

You can also use {{subst:copycat}} to do the boilerplate handling automatically in some cases. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:24, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Restoring of my Wikipedia Page

Hi,

I am dr Arianna Di Stadio, a physician scientist and the researcher that discovered the treatment for persistent smell disorders COVID 19 related. (https://spacecoastdaily.com/2022/11/arianna-di-stadio-exploring-unique-ways-to-recover-the-sense-of-smell-and-taste-compromised-by-covid-19/ ; https://abscent.org/insights-blog/blog/we-talk-researcher-working-pea-lut-supplements-smell-loss; https://theinscribermag.com/arianna-di-stadio-keeping-up-the-spirit-of-covid-research/; https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/20/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-sense-of-smell.html) As additional one of my study on enthorinal cortex as also been cited by CNN https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/15/health/alzheimers-gene-reelin-protected/index.html.

In Italy I am quite famous for my research during COVID-19 and the one about neuroinflammatory disorders https://www.google.com/search?q=arianna+di+Stadio&sca_esv=573602636&ei=nOkrZc3dKcmu5NoP7OS7yAE&ved=0ahUKEwjNm4zrlPiBAxVJF1kFHWzyDhkQ4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=arianna+di+Stadio&gs_lp=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&sclient=gws-wiz-serp

There was a page with these info and the details about me and my study that has been deleted.

Could you please double check and see what it is happened and eventually restore my page?

Thank you

Best Regards

Arianna Di Stadio MD, PhD Aridis73 (talk) 13:36, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello,

The last deletion of the page was on Monday. It was deleted, because the page was created by a now banned or blocked user. You're free to follow instructions at WP:UND in order to get an email of the contents of the page. Let me know if you need any help. Alternatively, consider discussing the restoring of the page with the deleting admin. Stay safe, NotAGenious (talk) 13:43, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Aridis73 (talk) 15:45, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Aridis73: Note that the this was a Wikipedia article ABOUT you, not your page (see WP:OWN). If the article is restored, you should not be directly editing it due to your conflict of interest. You would be allowed to submit edit requests on the article's talk page to make suggestions for other editors to consider. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 16:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Request for Article Review as I am new

I've written an article on "Freelance Marketplaces for Beginners" and need your expert review to ensure it complies with Wikipedia's guidelines. I aim to contribute positively and wish to avoid any issues. Your feedback on neutrality, sourcing, and formatting would be invaluable. Can I share the draft with you for review?

Best regards, ~~Aqsa~~ Aqsa Shabbir (talk) 17:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Asked and answered at Teahouse. David notMD (talk) 17:11, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Your article Freelance Marketplaces for Beginners to Find Remote Jobs was speedy deleted as unambiguous advertising. Theroadislong (talk) 17:13, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, but now I have tried to correct my mistakes and needs some review. Would you like to help me in it? Aqsa Shabbir (talk) 17:15, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

David,

there is no reply at Teahouse. I have checked it many times. Aqsa Shabbir (talk) 17:16, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I sincerely doubt that there could ever be an article titled Freelance Marketplaces for Beginners to Find Remote Jobs Wikipedia is not a how to. Theroadislong (talk) 17:19, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

so, I should work on a new article now?? Aqsa Shabbir (talk) 17:26, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I would strongly advise against attempting to create another article until you are more familiar with the aims and processes of Wikipedia. Gain more experience through working on improving existing articles first. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:28, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I have been working on it for a long time now. and I tried my best to work on this article. Now, I want to contribute something on my own. Is it a bad idea? Aqsa Shabbir (talk) 17:31, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Azsa Shabbir. I remember when I was a new editor more than fifteen years ago, and I so much wanted to "make my mark" by creating a new article. Now I know that that is not the only way to contribute, or necessarily the best way. (In 23 thousand edits and 18 years, I have created only a dozen articles). In most cases, and especially for new editors, making small improvements to some of our six million articles will add far more value to Wikipedia than trying to create a new article. ColinFine (talk) 14:24, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Dear Colin, Thank you so much for your advice and kindness. I sincerely appreciate it. Thanks again. I am surely going to follow you. You are really nice and guide newcomers with kind behavior. Aqsa Shabbir (talk) 16:38, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Aqsa Shabbir I unblocked you because you said you would make proper contributions, if that is not what you are going to do, I'll block you again Jimfbleak - talk to me?

How to preload edits?

When you submit an edit request using the button on a protection notice, it preloads the edit you're going to make. Is there any way to do this with the page's URL? LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 18:26, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@LOOKSQUARE: I know preloading and the edit request feature but it's unclear to me what you mean by "with the page's URL". See mw:Manual:Creating pages with preloaded text for general help. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:35, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

By that, I mean by adding a query at the end of the URL, in addition to the default ?action=edit. LOOKSQUARE (👤️·🗨️) talk 19:48, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@LOOKSQUARE: You have to preload a page but if that page only contains $1 then you can give the content in the url with preloadparams[] at mw:Manual:Creating pages with preloaded text#Using parameters. User:PrimeHunter/$1 says $1. [{{fullurl:Wikipedia:Sandbox|action=edit&section=new&preload=User:PrimeHunter/$1&preloadparams%5b%5d={{urlencode:This text is preloaded from a url}}}} Preload link] produces: Preload link. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:39, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Talk page template

There is at least one template that can be placed on the talk page of IPs when there are ancient comments that are no longer relevant. It basically says "all those ancient comments that are no longer relevant have been cleared. If for some odd reason you need to see a comment from 12 years ago, feel free to graze through the history."

Alas, I can't find it now, but someone here can help, I'm sure! Joyous! Noise! 18:51, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

{{OW}}/{{Blanked IP talk}} * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:14, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

YES! Thank you. Joyous! Noise! 19:17, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

canceling game changer account

how do I cancel game changer 72.48.166.250 (talk) 20:04, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

I no longer have use for game changer plus cant remember password 72.48.166.250 (talk) 20:06, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

This is the helpdesk for editing and using Wikipedia- please consult Google for your question. Qcne (talk) 20:22, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

draft article

I am drafting a new article. To save it for later work, I understand I must hit the publish button. I do that, but then cannot find my draft article. Could you please help me through the process of saving the article and then retrieving it later for further work. Thank you Robert degavre Robert T. deGavre (talk) 20:14, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Robert T. deGavre. When you Publish it should save your draft into your list of contributions: Special:Contributions/Robert T. deGavre. This is a public record of every edit you've made to Wikipedia. Unfortunately I cannot see any drafts in your record, which suggests either:

1) You were logged out of your account when you published it, so it isn't attached to this account's contribution record.

2) The Publishing process failed somehow, perhaps due to internet connectivity issues?

What is the name of your draft, so we can try and find it? Qcne (talk) 20:21, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Brig. Gen. Chester Braddock deGavre

Thanks for your help 64.119.11.78 (talk) 21:05, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi again. If you look at your above message, it shows your IP address instead of your username. This means you have been logged out of Wikipedia in-between posting the original topic and this reply.

Therefore, I think what is happening is that you are getting logged out somewhere in the process.

However, I have carefully checked the Draft space on Wikipedia and cannot find any draft article named "Brig. Gen. Chester Braddock deGavre" or variations of that.

I wonder therefore, if when you're hitting Publish something is going wrong somewhere and the draft is getting lost.

Alternatively, are you sure you are creating this draft on the English Wikipedia? Qcne (talk) 21:20, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Robert T. deGavre: If this is an article about yourself, please read WP:AUTO RudolfRed (talk) 21:10, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

The subject died in 1993. WP:COI probably still applies due to familial relation. Folly Mox (talk) 21:36, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

A few comments:

1. ) Having reached the rank of Brigadier General, he does reach notability for Wikipedia
2. ) I'd be somewhat concerned on COI, as the most significant news coverage of Brig Gen deGavre is in regards to the mass Court Martial during the Korean War of the Borinqueneers. I'm very concerned about having a relative write that.Naraht (talk) 13:48, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughts and your cautionary advice. I have no blood relationship with the General. He married my mother. That being said, I will be very careful to document every statement I make about his service with the 65th Infantry Regiment. 64.119.11.78 (talk) 16:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

As we still can't seem to find your draft, I'd be willing for you to post the contents of the draft to my User Talk Page (including all references), and I could have a look and submit it for you if it passes our criteria. Qcne (talk) 08:52, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

MWOD

Where can I learn about the history/use of the "MWOD:" webspace prefix in WP? I stumbled across one at Sinful Davey: (picaresque). It's been in the article for nearly three years, so it's not a new thing, but I've never seen one before. Wouldn't Wiktionary WIKT links be preferred? Merriam-Webster is obviously a reliable source, but I'm puzzled at how it's being presented as if it were not an external link. Matt Deres (talk) 20:30, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Matt Deres: MWOD:picaresque makes an interwiki link to https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/picaresque because MWOD is defined as https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/$1 in meta:Interwiki map. It does seem unusual to "hide" such a link in an article. insource:mwod finds 120 cases. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:59, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Looking through the list, I see that Webster's is hardly the most problematic. Who on earth thought it was a good idea to make links to FanimutationWiki: look like they were internal to the project? Yeesh. Where would be an appropriate place to discuss their use on enwiki? Village Pump? Matt Deres (talk) 21:48, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

@Matt Deres: Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#Interwiki links says such links are "generally discouraged". Is that enough for you? PrimeHunter (talk) 22:15, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Works for me - thanks! Matt Deres (talk) 21:52, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

What’s the point of letting the general public update Wikipedia?

Since you have staff that reviews the updates and removes them if they are false, why bother with the public updates? Why doesn’t the staff just do the updates? 2607:FEA8:AA03:400:D1E6:5493:998F:24FE (talk) 23:33, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not have 'staff that reviews the updates' content. Contributors are volunteers. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:40, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

There is no paid staff. Almost all the work is done by volunteers from the general public. Cullen328 (talk) 23:50, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

The WHOLE POINT (to overgeneralize) of Wikipedia is to be a compendium that anyone can contribute to, be they university professors or street cleaners, dishwashers or retired airline pilots, mechanics or machinists. The assumption is that people are generally smart and conscientious and like to contribute to something that (hopefully) endures. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 23:58, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

October 16

WP:COI: Fang

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TeddyFang
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Independent
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Fang
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AsianWeek
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinatown_Handy_Guide

.... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 00:42, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Consider discuss this at WP:COIN. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 01:17, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Same arguments at similar AFDs.

Hello help desk! I made the mistake earlier in nominating too many comic-related articles for deletion, but I've noticed that almost all of the keeps for these discussions seemed to all have the exact same reasoning saying "Keep or merge with (article name here) in the sprit of WP:PRESERVE". I didn't want to accuse any of the editors as they seemed WAY more experienced than me, but keep in mind these articles have existed for over a decade without any secondary sources. Just wondered if I should be suspicious of anything. Industrial Insect (talk) 03:26, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

When you nominate multiple articles, and when multiple articles of the same topic area get nominated, you have to expect the same people to show up. When you nominate an article and a participant thinks you're wrong to have done so, they're likely to look at your recent editing history and if they find other articles were also nominated for the same reasons, they're likely to participate in those AFDs as well. Similarly, when you nominate articles of the same topic area, they generate the same notifications to the same group of people, i.e. people interested in those topic areas, so you should expect the same people to show up. That would be the simple explanation, which though not guaranteed to be correct, should be the default assumption, absent any additional evidence. AFDs get pretty heated pretty fast. And being right is no guarantee that they will go your way. So, I would advise against too much emotional investment. Look at it this way, if there are articles that have survived for over a decade, there must have been a reason, and you're likely to stumble into it when you try to delete them. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 04:08, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Industrial Insect, when an editor makes a series of similar AfD nominations with similar rationales, then nobody should be surprised that editors who disagree would respond with similar language. Anything different would be quite surprising, wouldn't it? I suggest that you focus on something new. Cullen328 (talk) 07:36, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I apologize, I have indeed become a little too invested in these AfDs. However, I suppose I should rephrase. The users are not using similar arguments, they are all saying the exact same thing word for word. No arguments with more citations. All pointing to a policy (WP:PRESERVE) which they don't seem to understand. Industrial Insect (talk) 12:32, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

User:Industrial Insect, I skimmed what I presume to be the full set of your recent comic book themed AfD noms, and what I found was two editors using a variant of the sentence you mention at three AfDs: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ox (comics), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Burglar (character), and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gibbon (character).

I don't think it's worth being suspicious about two editors copypasting their !votes to a few rapid-fire AfDs by the same nominator, and I see one of the two editors in question has engaged politely on your usertalk.

AfDs take a lot more effort to counter effectively than they do to open without evidence of a thorough WP:BEFORE. Even a slam-dunk keep can take an hour or more to source adequately. Were the two editors making slightly pointy comments out of frustration? Probably, but a thorough check for sources should take at least twenty or thirty minutes, and the impression I got looking at your noms was that you weren't putting much work into them, so it's not unexpected to see that kind of engagement. Even one AfD nom a day is a pretty fast pace.

As to people citing inapplicable guidance pages, see WP:UPPERCASE. It's a forever problem. Folly Mox (talk) 15:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Y'all are right, the noms were lazy, and I've become too invested in these AfDs and started to view them as WP:BATTLEGROUNDS. Time for a break... Industrial Insect (talk) 16:02, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

So this is curious. FWIW, @Folly Mox @Usedtobecool and @Cullen328 basically covered it; triggering an AfD is easy and simple, posting a Keep argument that's properly researched effectively takes as long as creating an article, particularly for a niche area where a lot of reliable sources are offline (in the case of comic book characters things like The Comic Journal, Amazing Heroes and a lot of small-run books). Seeing as there was and is no sign of @Industrial Insect having done much more than an online search before mass-nominating a group of articles - a common problem with AfDs in the area - I see no reason why I should drop the projects I'm currently working on to effectively research 18 articles in a week on subjects I'm only peripherally interested in. But on a point of principle I try not to allow under-researched AfD nominations slide as I've seen far too many articles in desperate need of clean-up saved without the AfD process involved; the articles are just waiting for someone genuinely knowledgeable in the subject to find the time to bring them up to scratch or make a genuine, informed decision as to whether they're tenable. My cut-and-paste votes directly reflect the amount of effort the nominator put in to a) attempting to salvage the articles before nominating and b) researching the before.

Use my name next time. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 09:27, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Determining the "Primary topic"

We currently have two articles on two houses, both of which are called Monkton House. These are Monkton House, in Wiltshire, and Monkton House, West Dean, in West Sussex. How do we determine which is the primary topic? I suspect it should be the latter, due to its architectural history; its architect was Edwin Lutyens, and it was "the only complete Surrealist house ever created in Britain". I also suspect it will get many more internet search hits. Do we have a process through which this is decided? KJP1 (talk) 06:11, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, KJP1. I am unfamiliar with the topic but your general line of reasoning is strong and intuitive. See WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for more details. Certainly, in the case of a building, the architectural history and significance are among the most important factors. The number of page views and followers may be a factor, if widely divergent. If one of the topics is the subject of extensive published academic research, and the other gets little more than local news and brief tour guide coverage, than that is another important indicator. This is how I go about assessing such issues. Cullen328 (talk) 07:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Cullen328 - many thanks, most helpful. I may start a discussion with the main editor of the other page, along the lines you suggest. In one sense it doesn’t matter overmuch, but I do think it likely that a general reader, searching Wikipedia for “Monkton House”, will more likely be looking for the one in Sussex, rather than the one in Wiltshire. KJP1 (talk) 07:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

KJP1, I have now read both articles and I agree with your assessment. In the case of the first article, we learn that the house exists, and then pretty much nothing of interest happened for 350 years. The second article is about a house of a unique architectural style designed by a highly notable architect, and then reworked by a notable patron, employing two notable architectural design professionals, plus Salvador Dali poking his mustache in. In my opinion, the Sussex house is the primary topic, although both articles should stay. Cullen328 (talk) 08:24, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

KJP1, You may be asking the wrong question. As WP:PRIMARYTOPIC says: "Is there a primary topic?", there doesn't have to be one. The alternative is to move Monkton House -> Monkton House, Broughton Gifford and use Monkton House as the disambiguation page. Cullen328, you could argue that a building with parts dating back to the 12C and with civil War connections is more interesting that a modern 20C pile. Just depends upon your viewpoint, and that is the nub of the question. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 09:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Martin of Sheffield, Cullen328 - I take the point Martin, and the disparity in the listings is certainly a factor to consider. However, there are in excess of 20,000 Grade II* buildings in England, whereas I know of only one building by Lutyens, subsequently jazzed up by Dalí, with a twist of Nicholson and Casson, the only Surrealist house in England, and which once contained about the finest collection of Surrealist art in the world. I would be interested in the number of internet searches/hits, but I’m pretty confident they would show a significant preponderance in favour of the Sussex house. Anyways, I really appreciate the discussion, and shall approach the main author of the Wiltshire article to see if they have a view. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 17:03, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Broken link to a PDF

Hi, I hope I have reached the correct department. I was interested in reading an article about the New Guinea Air Warning Wireless group which operated during WWII

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Guinea_Air_Warning_Wireless

However, within that article, the following link appears to be broken.

http://www.thespotters.org/Shared%20Documents/NGAWW%20History%20by%20Lt.%20White%20-%20In%20the%20Field%20-%20August%201944.PDF

I was wondering if this could be rectified. Thankyou, Maurie White 2001:8003:E18B:F800:C169:2C35:C9BE:D74B (talk) 08:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, Maurie. If you can rectify it, you're most welcome to do so. If you know of a working link but don't know how to edit, you can make an edit request in the article's talk page (i.e. page for talking about the article), Talk:New Guinea Air Warning Wireless. -- Hoary (talk) 12:44, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't see an archive for that page at the Wayback Machine or archive.today, so I tagged it as a {{dead link}}. GoingBatty (talk) 12:52, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Doubt Regarding Afd

Greetings to anyone reading this, I recently nominated an article for deletion, (Shivalik Public School, Mohali), can anyone tell me what is the expected time it can be either denominated or deleted.

Regards

Yamantakks (talk) 11:31, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

7 days, typically. Hyphenation Expert (talk) 11:33, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

The article Shivalik Public School, Mohali is not so poor that it would qualify for speedy deletion, but it needs reliable secondary sources to be added or it is very likely going to get deleted.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 14:05, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Providing information

I have a certificate and tie from completing the Manchester rag week bogle stroll in 1973. 50 years ago. All I want to do is supply a photo of the tie and certificate and a personal account including a correction to your record. Steve crane Stevethewolvesfan (talk) 16:24, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure which article you are talking about, but in general, personal accounts (of anything) are never acceptable in Wikipedia articles unless they have already been published in a reliable source, and I am dubious that a photo of a tie or a certificate would serve any encyclopaedic purpose. Please clarify why you want to do this, and to which article. ColinFine (talk) 16:31, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

OK, I'm guessing this is about Bogle Stroll. I have doubts as to whether this meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability in the first place (the two sources which are supposedly accessible online are both dead, though they may have been archived, and I suspect that they do not have significant coverage of the event, though I may be wrong.

I've recovered those two links from the Internet archive (though confusingly, the Middleton News one redirects to Manchester Evening News on a later date), but I don't think they add up to significant coverage for notability, and I have tagged the article accordingly. --ColinFine (talk) 16:49, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Edit for 2023 Israel-Hamas page, 5th Canadian died. There is also a CBC News article on this.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/21-year-old-identified-as-5th-canadian-who-died-in-israel-hamas-war-1.6602981 2001:56A:75D8:9D00:D9FE:8F1:20F6:990 (talk) 16:35, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

If you want to make a change to an article, please make an edit request on the article's talk page. Please be specific about what text you want to insert, remove, or change. ColinFine (talk) 16:51, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

copyright

I am on the CEPA advcoacy committee and was asked of the current president to try to get us on Wikipedia, which was what I was trying to do by adding our website to people could access us and determine what and who we are and how to get involved with this organization. 147.226.47.6 (talk) 18:07, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Please read WP:BOSS and have the president read it too. In short, that's not what Wikipedia is for. 331dot (talk) 18:27, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

Help please

When i was little i created a wikipedia page from another account, i want it to be deleted how can this be done? MkIsOk (talk) 18:31, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

It would help to know the title of the article. 331dot (talk) 18:32, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@MkIsOk: Pages can only be deleted by administrators. Others can request it but the method depends on where the page is and for some pages, why you want it deleted. I'm an administrator but without the page name or account name, I can only refer you to the complicated Wikipedia:Deletion policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:56, 16 October 2023 (UTC)

@MkIsOk: If you mean you want the account to be deleted then it's not possible. See Wikipedia:Courtesy vanishing. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:37, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi, the page name is “Mkboss yt W.SK” i would be really thankfull if you deleted it because there is my full name there and i really dont want that. Thank you MkIsOk (talk) 16:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@MkIsOk, do you mean the page on sk.wikipedia? There seems to be no such page on en.wikipedia. 57.140.16.12 (talk) 16:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

October 17

the ginger man plot

Hi, There is a good plot summary of this book by a Tom Quinn on Amazon Reviews. He probably wouldn't mind writing a similar plot for you. g 173.191.64.185 (talk) 02:27, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

That's an interesting thought. Although I see the review, I don't see a way to contact him. GoingBatty (talk) 14:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Humble Request for An Article About me on Wikipedia : Dr Punit Sethi

Sir, Please help me in opening my Profile Page on Wikipedia. I have sound credentials; e.g:- Dr Punit Sethi was also declared as an expert of Facebook in 2011

Dr Punit Sethi was also declared as an expert of Facebook in 2011 ..

MRICS

https://www.rics.org/networking/find-a-member.html?firstname=PUNIT&lastname=SETHI&town=NOIDA&country=India&member_grade=(MRICS)&expert_witness=&accrediation=&page=1

https://www.rics.org/member-detail-page.html#/0870114

Facebook Expert

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/google-declares-indian-most-popular-facebook-expert/

Fiji

https://www.fbcnews.com.fj/news/new-ceo-for-housing-authority-of-fiji/

https://fijivillage.com/news/Bala-to-officiate-at-Davuilevu-Housing-Subdivision-groundbreaking-ceremony-rsk925

https://www.facebook.com/FijianGovernment/photos/a.1728782957154632.1073745074.207532522613024/1728783697154558/

https://fijisun.com.fj/2017/06/20/housing-authority-welcomes-new-ceo/

Hungama Ishq Ka Pyaada

https://www.hungama.com/tv-show/ishq-ka-pyaada/104060206/

TOI Baby Feeding Room https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/baby-feeding-room-facilities-for-disabled-at-isbt/articleshow/87836934.cms

Dr Punit Sethi was also declared as an expert of Facebook in 2011 .. https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/google-declares-indian-most-popular-facebook-expert/ As an executive with infrastructure expertise with the Ministry of Transport, Government of Delhi- Dr Punit Sethi achieved success during COVIC duties of transporting migrant labors from Delhi especially at Anand Vihar ISBT success. Dr Sethi also got a Baby Feeding Room at Sarai Kale Khan ISBT first in Delhi. The event was well covered by media. Time of India link... https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/baby-feeding-room-facilities-for-disabled-at-isbt/articleshow/87836934.cms

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Baby_Feeding_Room_at_SKK_ISBT_New_Delhi_India_Organized_by_Dr_Punit_Sethi.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dr_Punit_Sethi_arrived_as_CEO_of_Housing_Authority_of_Fiji_in_June_2017.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dr_Punit_Sethi_LSCM.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dr_Punit_Sethi_Photograph.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:IBBI_Valuer_Punit_Sethi.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:International_Business_by_Dr_Punit_Sethi.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_book_on_International_Business_by_Dr_Punit_Sethi.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jaypee_Wish_Town_Community_Magazine_Samvada_writing_about_Dr_Punit_Sethi.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jaypee_Wish_Town_Community_Magazine_Samvada_writing_about_Dr_Punit_Sethi_December_2021.jpg https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Night_briefing_by_Dr_Punit_Sethi_at_Anand_Vihar_ISBT_New_Delhi_during_Covid_in_April_2021.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dr_Punit_Sethi_With_Honble_Prime_Minister_of_Fiji_in_2017.jpg

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Dr_Punit_Sethi_with_Underprivileged_Children_of_Noida.jpg

Sir, Please see these few links and help me in creating my Profile Page.

Regards, Dr Punit Sethi MRICS Engineer Doctor (talk) 04:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Engineer Doctor: Dr. Sethi, the Help desk is a place to ask questions about how you can use Wikipedia. If you're still interested in having someone write an article after reading WP:AUTO and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, you can try using WP:Requested articles. However, there is no guarantee that any volunteer Wikipedia editor will choose to write an article about you. GoingBatty (talk) 14:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not contain "profiles" as the word is usually understood. It contains articles about notable subjects, including people. Some ways in which these are different from profiles are:

• They are not controlled by the subject, and preferably not written by the subject
• They are based not on what the subject says or wants to say, but on what independent commentators have written about the subject in reliable sources.
• They may contain material which the subject does not want seen, as long as it has been reliably published. Conversely, there may be material which the subject would very much like to be seen but which may not go in the article because it has not been reliably and independently published.

ColinFine (talk) 15:58, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Creating an Article

How do you create an article on Wikipedia Oxfordholmes (talk) 05:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Oxfordholmes, you can create your article using Article Wizard. Please see WP:YFA. Regards. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 05:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Oxfordholmes. Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, but in my experience, people who try to create an article before they have learnt how Wikipedia works usually have a miserable and frustrating time: your attempts are unlikely to be successful, and you may have difficulty understanding why.

My advice to new editors is always to spend a few weeks or months learning about Wikipedia by making improvements to existing articles before even trying it. Start with copyediting and correcting errors (and be prepared even there to have some of your changes reverted - see WP:BRD) and then graduate to what is by far the most important part of editing Wikipedia, which is finding sources for unsourced information in articles, and learning how to cite them. When you can do that, you will be ready to try writing a new article. ColinFine (talk) 16:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I moved the draft to the main article, is this right?

I just moved Mukimukimanmansu article from draft to main article. Since it has more than three reliable sources, and it has a record of major awards nominations, this is the right thing to do, but this is my first time doing this (Move from draft to main space), so I'd like to ask if I should finish here or fix it more. The article is strange so..... 올해의수상자 (talk) 05:17, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hi @올해의수상자. As the original submitter of the draft via the Articles for Creation process, you've sort of circumvented the process by moving it to mainspace yourself and we do discourage this.

The test for articles about musicians or bands is at WP:NMUSIC. I think the article just about passes the first criteria, so I think it can stay in mainspace. I have done some minor copyediting. Qcne (talk) 08:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Qcne. In fact, I wasn't the first to make this draft, but I thought this draft was right so I made some revisions and submitted it, but no one responded, so I found a way to process the draft and moved on. Anyway but, I revised the last one and I submitted it, so I was right to be involved. Of course I'm not a new user, I've edited a lot of articles. But I think I'm still learning about Wikipedia, and I think I learned another thing today :)

But if you don't mind, there is an article that I submitted a draft, may I ask to you to review it? I submitted it a long time ago, but no one responded. 올해의수상자 (talk) 11:15, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I'm sorry, you're right - I didn't scroll down in the history long enough to see you weren't the original submitter. What is the link to your other draft? Qcne (talk) 11:29, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

That's okay! The draft is probably old, and the history might be a bit long, so it could be happen. And thank you for saying that you will review my draft more :)

I have three drafts, of which I think Draft:Dabda (band) and Draft: Green Flame Boys may be in the main space because I think there are enough reliable sources.

And actually, I have another drafts Draft:Wapddi as well, but this one, I'm not sure. (though of course I pressed submission....lol) Two sources are certainly reliable, but I'm not sure this will prove his notability enough. 올해의수상자 (talk) 11:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thanks- I will take a look at all three and get back to you sometime today. Qcne (talk) 12:07, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Link to table row in VE

Is there an option to link a specific table row from Visual Editor itself. I can read in help:tables its possible in code edditor by placing on the beggining of the row ID, but how do I do that in Visual Editor? Juandev (talk) 06:02, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Juandev: I don't think VisualEditor can place id's. You could instead add {{anchor}} in the first cell. It has a similar but not identical effect. If it's a tall cell with vertically centered content then links to the anchor will go to where the content starts and not the top of the cell. I don't know how it compares to a row id in screen readers. A cell anchor may be more easily deleted by accident than a row id. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:34, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thx. Juandev (talk) 05:31, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

My edit to "Winds aloft" keeps getting reverted...

my edit that the winds aloft of the NWS being officially discontinued has been revoked multiple times by Materialscientist... I am unable to contact them directly. I know this change is correct as I am a pilot who was present at the discontinuance of it today, when they made the new website live. There is not article about it's discontinuance as the NWS only mentioned it in a reply to a Facebook user... I have been told my edits are vandalism... Black33beard (talk) 06:18, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hey Black33beard and welcome to Wikipedia. While it may seem unfair, any material added to Wikipedia must have been published previously by a reliable source. This is to make sure everything is as accurate as possible, to protect us as editors, and to ensure our readers are getting accurate information. We also have no way of confirming you are a pilot (PLEASE DO NOT POST PERSONAL INFO TO PROVE SO!). While I might not label your edits as vandalism, I can see why there were reverted. I also suggest talking to Materialscientist. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 07:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Asked and answered at the Teahouse. Tollens (talk) 07:06, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

How to ask for help from a wikiproject

I am in a content dispute where we've (sort-of) agreed that it would be helpful to get clarification of how to interpret policy from a wikiproject - in this case Wikipedia:WikiProject Judaism who might be familiar with the type of source material we're discussing and how it's generally treated. My issue is I don't really know how to ask for help from editors on a wikiproject. I'd appreciate any guidance on this! Samuelshraga (talk) 06:30, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Samuelshraga: To attract the attention of editors from a specific WikiProject, post a neutral message at the WikiProject's talk page (Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism) and link to the relevant discussion. ––FormalDude (talk) 07:12, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Samuelshraga (talk) 08:19, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Tidying up this page

I would like to clean up this page. I am a new Wikipedia editor and have a connection to the subject of the page. The page was generously started by the Women in Red Project and Kay tried to add a photo and some extra details. This was obviously a mistake as it now has lots of warnings about Close Connection of the author. It rather spoils the effort they generously made.

Is it possible for me to help her to make this page clearer, add a photo and to tidy up all of the alerts? How?

If undoing her changes and reverting to the previous state of page is the best plan, how can I suggest/do that?

Thanks Kudos9482 (talk) 06:42, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

You could ask for assistance at WP:COIN and/or at the article's talk page. I went ahead and removed some of the tags as I don't see that they apply anymore. ––FormalDude (talk) 06:50, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Referencing errors on University of Houston System

Reference help requested. I have used reFill tool to fix bare URLs but instead it has created a generic error Thanks, Ittniguto (talk) 11:47, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Ittniguto, we read, for example, Cite error: The named reference UHV Progress Card was invoked but never defined (see the help page). Suppose you want to cite a given source any number of times, and, for editing purposes, you want to name it "UHV Progress Card". Then in any one place where you want to cite it, you write <ref name="UHV Progress Card">full details (author(s), title, etc) here</ref> (thereby "defining" and using it); and in each of the other two, you write simply <ref name="UHV Progress Card" /> (thereby "invoking" it). -- Hoary (talk) 13:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much for the help I really appreciate it.Ittniguto (talk) 15:48, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Live time

On my talk page, I use a template to show the real time in my timezone. Is there a way to make the page automatically purge once it is opened to show what time it is?

Otherwise, is there any other way to display the live time that updates accordingly?

Thanks, Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Cocobb8: This is not possible. Pages are cached for efficiency reasons with no override option. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:40, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I suppose that makes sense! Cocobb8 (💬 talk • ✏️ contribs) 13:47, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Does this article meet notability?

Hello, so I'm considering AfDing an article, but I'm not sure whether it meets WP:GNG. On the one hand, it is a pretty new route with not much in-depth coverage, but on the other hand, it has been renumbered and had significant cuts in its route. Since this would be my first AfD, I want to ask for some advice from the community whether this meets WP:GNG. Thank you, —Matr1x-101 _{(Ping me when replying)} {_{user page} ^{(@ commons)} - _talk} 14:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Looking at the sourcing in the article, I think so.

There are 7 sources cited. Source 1 does not count towards notability as it is not independant. Source 2 appears to constitute significant coverage from MyLondon, which seems to be a reliable source. Source 3 does not seem to constitute significant coverage. Source 4 appears to constitute significant coverage from Inside Corydon, which while local, is still significant coverage. I stopped my in depth analysis there, but based on the first 4 of the 7 sources cited in the article, I would not take it to AFD and would expect the article to be kept if someone did. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 17:02, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the in-depth process! —Matr1x-101 _{(Ping me when replying)} {_{user page} ^{(@ commons)} - _talk} 20:13, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Literature

When did Madame Bovary made into a film 192.226.252.29 (talk) 16:00, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the help desk. This page is for questions related to editing the English Wikipedia. Several films have been made based on Flaubert's novel and can be found at our article on it. In the future, the reference desk should be used for general knowledge questions. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 16:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Airline destinations removed

Hi there, I observed that a group of users seemingly made a decision on their own to begin removing airline destination pages en-masse, without clear reasoning as to why or much of a warning. I wanted to see if I could get more information on that - those pages were a resource I made use of regularly and having them removed is hugely detrimental to me. Viero223 (talk) 16:28, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

The basic reason is Wikipedia is not a directory, more discussion here. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:36, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Viero223, see this discussion. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 16:36, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

@Viero223 See and join in the discussion at the village pump. I really don't think they should be removed while discussion is ongoing. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 16:37, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Do we have a template for ‘topic not in linked article’?

Example: International maritime signal flags#Letter flags (with ICS meaning) links to [[Magnetic declination|degrees magnetic]], but “degrees magnetic” is not explained in the article Magnetic declination.

I browsed categories such as Category:Wikipedia maintenance templates, Category:Internal link maintenance templates, as well as the templates listed at Template:Not verified in body, but none seems to fit. ◅ Sebastian 18:06, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Maybe the International maritime signal flags article would be best served by changing the text in question from "Course in [[Magnetic declination|degrees magnetic]]" to "[[Magnetic declination|Magnetic bearing]]" or something similar. Folly Mox (talk) 20:00, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Good idea for that article; I'll do that there. However, my general question still remains: Do we have a template for such cases? ◅ Sebastian 20:26, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I don't think we do, after having done what I consider to be a reasonably thorough search of the Template: namespace. Mostly in such cases I feel like we are supposed to trust ourselves enough to change the link target, change the link text, or remove the link. As a follow up to the initial example, I've learnt that Magnetic bearing is a mechanical thing like a ball bearing, and won't be a good two words to pipe into the link Magnetic declination. I'm also wondering if Magnetic declination is really the best target for the link, or if Bearing (angle)#Absolute would be better. I don't really know anything about navigation, or much about magnetism, or what the International maritime signal flags are specified as conveying in nautical terms. Folly Mox (talk) 20:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

There are some cases where the link is to the right place, but the target article doesn't deal with the topic at hand, and I don't have the ability to update the target article. What one really wants in those cases is some way to flag it at the target article, where someone who is able to fix it is more likely to look... Furius (talk) 20:54, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Interesting point. Do you think, then, we need a template for that application? ◅ Sebastian 21:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

I've actually just located Template:mnl, which outputs:. It has zero transclusions in mainspace and one in talkspace, but it's very close to what you're suggesting.

As to flagging something like this on the target article, a talk page message might not be the worst idea, if a bit old fashioned. As seen in this discussion, specialist knowledge provided by User:Martin of Sheffield was required to suss this issue, and people with the correct topic area expertise are likely to be the kinds of people watching the talk page. Folly Mox (talk) 22:05, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

a talk page message might not be the worst idea - i thought so, and did that in the target article's talk page where someone who is able to fix it is more likely to look, as Furius suggested. But when nobody replied in three years, i thought an inline template might draw more attention, all the while informing readers so they wouldn't waste time searching for something that isn't there. ◅ Sebastian 05:49, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Well I guess a talk page message might sometimes be the worst idea. Should have done my research before suggesting that course of action 🙃

Three years, and the page has like 130 watchers and the primary contributor has been consistently active since 2019.

I feel like I heard somewhere that Growth Team intend to roll out the links structured task on en.wp by the end of the year. Maybe soon we'll be able to delink these bad pipes and have the built-in AI suggest a better target for us.

Till then, we could always just make a template. It's probably pretty easy to make, and seems like it would generate an easy backlog for people to hop on. Folly Mox (talk) 06:08, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Thanks for checking. Yes, your reason why we don't have one makes sense; that's what I've done for many years. I just wasn't sure it did mean “magnetic bearing” until you pointed that out. Part of why I asked here was that I had thought of creating such a template, but I now realize it's probably not needed often enough.

Thanks also for pointing out the other meaning of “magnetic bearing”. No worries, I used an anchor instead. But I also will add a hatnote to the magnetic bearing article.

As for your last point, it seems to me it's good as it is, since “absolute bearing” does not mean the same; it still can be magnetic or not. ◅ Sebastian 21:03, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Actually Magnetic declination does explain degrees magnetic, but not very clearly unless you already know the theory. See the sections "Non-adjustable compasses" and "Navigation". Bearing (angle)#Absolute has: "If the north used as reference is the true geographical north then the bearing is a true bearing whereas if the reference used is magnetic north then the bearing is a magnetic bearing" which is also not very clear unless you already have an idea about the subject.

FYI, the magnetic poles do not correspond directly with the geographic poles, for instance in 2020 the north magnetic pole was at 86.494°N 162.867°E. What this means is that a compass will point to somewhere other than the true north pole, the amount varies depending upon where you are and also with time. There are also local anomalies (for example caused by deposits of iron ore) which have to be taken into account. However a map or chart should give the variance or declination at a given date, and the rate of change. As a (fictional) example "variance 2°W (2020) decreasing annually by 1°" means that in 2023 the variance in that location would be 1°E. It's important to know which you are talking about, for instance (using the example above) 183° true is 182° magnetic, hence the use of the Alpha flag (true) and Charlie (magnetic). HTH, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:10, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Have a look at Heading (navigation) which gives a better description of true vs magnetic. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 21:32, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

October 18

Noah's Flood

Hi there there's false info on Noah's Flood. It states "there's no scientific evidence for a global flood." That's not true. There is a ton of scientific evidence that prove that it happened. Please do your research before you boldly state false info.

Noah's Ark 2601:1C0:8380:B150:3FB9:BC87:F2AB:9EEA (talk) 01:05, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Please raise your concerns about that article on its talk page, Talk:Noah's Ark, along with your reliable sources to support your claims. 331dot (talk) 01:18, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Also, please do not accuse us volunteers at the help desk of inserting "false information" as most of us here may not have edited the article even once. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 01:21, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

no. sorry. we won't pander to christianity. ltbdl (talk) 10:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

we won't pander to christianity small nitpick: Noah’s story (ark, flood, divine retribution etc.) is considered canon by all Abrahamic religions (which includes Jews and Muslims in addition to Christians). Of course, flood myths exist in many (all?) cultures. And there is scientific evidence of many past large floods (though not world-covered-by-water-scale floods, which would cause problems of conservation of mass etc.). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 13:51, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

British Film Institute:

• "We have removed pages about films, TV programmes, people and companies from the BFI website. You can now find this information in our Collections database." at site:www2.bfi.org.uk/films-tv-people/
• Sorry, there's a problem. The site is still in development, and changes regularly, so please try again later if this error persists. Collections Search | BFI | British Film Institute
• Template:BFI

.... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 01:29, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

I do not understand what you are trying to ask here. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 02:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

{{BFI}} is marked as depreciated and there is a deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2023_October_16#BFI_templates_and_categories RudolfRed (talk) 03:30, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

wikipedia ?

When I accessed a Wikipedia article from Google,but the PDF download started without permission and I was logged out. So, I think it's probably a fake site. What should I do ? I made a memo of the that url, but I don't would not like to publish this, because it starts downloading the PDF without permission. So I would like to contact to Wikipedia by e-mail, but I don't know how to contact. thanks ! SilverMatsu (talk) 05:39, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

@Silvermatsu: The correct URL of every page on the English Wikipedia starts with en.wikipedia.org. Another URL could be a legitimate mirror site or a fake site. GoingBatty (talk) 05:47, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. When I checked that URL, the "org" part was a other characters, so it seems like a mirror or fake site. --SilverMatsu (talk) 06:15, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

By the way, should I change my password ? I'm anxious because the download of the pdf file started without permission. --SilverMatsu (talk) 06:46, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Questions about a music score: layout, and source/original content issues

I added a score to Weela Weela Walya but the line break on the first line is one beat too early and I can't see why. I was expecting to get something like this result. Also the first line is indented; I would prefer it not to be.

I think I need some specialist help here, someone that's familiar with ABC notation and with the <score>...</score> element in wikitext.

Also, more generally, maybe there's a problem with this score as it's unsourced. Would it be okay if I were to put it on my blog, and then cite that? I'm not an academic, nor a renowned musician nor scholar, so maybe that's not the right sort of source. I'm not aware of any other place to put this score; it seems to be a bit outside the scope of eg thesession.org.

What's the general policy about simple scores for simple tunes? I don't think copyright applies here as it's a folk tune. GoPlayerJuggler (talk) 09:01, 18 October 2023 (UTC)

Link preview vandalism

It appears there is ongoing vandalism of preview links as quite a few show a plate covered in vomit. 158.36.93.227 (talk) 13:49, 18 October 2023 (UTC)